Woodchuck Deathray Strikes Again - More 243 Winchester Carnage

I have my Weatherby Vanguard .243 dialed in for the super fast 70gr Nosler Varmageddon. In this video, Garrett and I push the distance on this round and gather some great hunting footage. Special thanks to Garrett for taking time out of his vacation to come out and capture this footage. He has been working full time videoing deer hunts in Missouri for Huntline TV. Some of his work can also be found on the Heart of Hunting.
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Load Data:
243 Winchester
70gr Nosler Varmageddon
47gr Accurate 2700 powder
Lapua brass case
CCI BR2 primer
2.73" OAL (.020" from the lands)
3700fps AVG

Пікірлер: 133

  • @joshuamagill4342
    @joshuamagill43423 жыл бұрын

    I love how when you see the vapor trail it is really flat and also pretty much as soon as you hear the gun the chuck topples! Great job!!

  • @davejan744
    @davejan7445 жыл бұрын

    Years ago I used to use the 85 gr Sierra blitz softnose. 243 Remington w a 24 inch bbl..AMAZING accuracy & devastating on yotes/wolves in Alaska. Had to wait til they hit 400 yds for a 1 hole pelt saving kill. Anything closer would blow a huge exit hole. Would prob turn a woodchuck into confetti.

  • @timsid
    @timsid3 жыл бұрын

    I remember, in the before times, going to my Uncle's dairy farm in southern Quebec and "evicting" a few Chucks. My first chuck was a center mass shot from 50 yards, silhouetted on a hill. Died so fast, he was still standing, frozen in place with no heart

  • @ozcampnhuntdan7858
    @ozcampnhuntdan78586 жыл бұрын

    'Pretty consistent hits' is an understatement, your shooting is outstanding ! Great vid gents.

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    6 жыл бұрын

    Late response... sorry. I appreciate it. I had a spell of misses with this set up at one point and the stars aligned for the few days we shot this video and we were nailing everything we aimed at. Thanks for watching.

  • @BandBRanchers

    @BandBRanchers

    4 жыл бұрын

    Chuckin' please let me know what scope your running please

  • @mountainbob8695
    @mountainbob86953 жыл бұрын

    You both have great attitudes. I return to the channel for the hunting/shooting, but also because you guys are relatable. Thanks for the effort filming these.

  • @jimchappell3284
    @jimchappell32844 жыл бұрын

    That's some great shooting. 243 is a wicked little caliber

  • @David12005
    @David120057 жыл бұрын

    Top notch shooting and production quality. Thanks for posting.

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching

  • @georgea6403
    @georgea6403 Жыл бұрын

    Wow! I been out in years. This is absolutely incredible. Thank you !

  • @tuomasholo
    @tuomasholo4 жыл бұрын

    I was watching the grass on the 520yd shot (wind moving from right to left) and said to myself, "self, that's about a 1 moa hold." That's beautiful land there. Thanks for sharing.

  • @BullseyeBob
    @BullseyeBob6 жыл бұрын

    Great hunting area and superb shooting!!

  • @fjb4932
    @fjb49323 жыл бұрын

    Thankyou for the Load Data.

  • @Me2Lancer
    @Me2Lancer2 жыл бұрын

    Good shooting. Enjoyed watching the vapor trails.

  • @SigCross
    @SigCross5 жыл бұрын

    Amazing shooting ! Well done.

  • @chrisdikovics3580
    @chrisdikovics35804 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful country . Excellent shooting !

  • @jude.v25
    @jude.v257 жыл бұрын

    Awesome shooting! Thanks for posting.

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks there will be more to come.

  • @johnharr9707
    @johnharr97074 жыл бұрын

    Your videos just never get old. That's cool how you can see the bullet and path in slow mo!! Thanks man! Just subscribed!

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    4 жыл бұрын

    John Harr I’m glad you’re enjoying the videos. Thanks for commenting.

  • @johnharr9707

    @johnharr9707

    4 жыл бұрын

    Chuckin' yeah I live in northern Vermont and love shooting my rifles!! Got get rid of these chucks they screw up the fields. TY!

  • @scottfrench3354
    @scottfrench33544 жыл бұрын

    You gentlemen are some heck of a shots. I thought I did good on a coyote @610 with the 300 Mag. But hitting those things at 500+ in the head. Outstanding.

  • @mattpie595
    @mattpie5953 жыл бұрын

    Love your channel!!

  • @greenstreet5287
    @greenstreet52872 жыл бұрын

    Damn that’s a badass round. I need me some woodchuck death ray

  • @heerkrupp64
    @heerkrupp645 жыл бұрын

    Can't argue with that shooting well done.

  • @sartainja
    @sartainja6 жыл бұрын

    I love it. Nothing makes my day like seeing ground pig brains in the air.

  • @charlesmullins3238
    @charlesmullins32389 ай бұрын

    Just acquired the fn spr with 24” 1:12 4 groove heavy barrel..non adjustable Macmillan stock..non fluted model..bedded mod70 controlled feed action and badger base is bedded also…put my 15x 2nd gen pst on er and grabbed some wal mart 168gmm and .5” and under allday..got 200 110v max worked upto 3500fps with 42.5gr of imr 4198 and havin good luck with tac and now benchmark…110varmageddons loaded same but on,y grabbed 50 so gonna order 100 more cause brother you hit anything including a guardrail and it destroys it big time..hit pill bottle@254yrds with the 110v max..drilled some 168s and made pretty chamfered hollow points that should expand better on a deer…got some 130federals that have huge hp’s….good shootin

  • @mag818
    @mag8185 жыл бұрын

    great shootin

  • @georgea6403
    @georgea6403 Жыл бұрын

    You heard the infamous “Thwapp!”

  • @visiter127
    @visiter1275 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the reply

  • @waynesilva9157
    @waynesilva91572 жыл бұрын

    You put the whomp ass on those chucks , too much fun! if you ever had a garden ruined by those varmints you know they must terminated.

  • @simpsonrdlarry4385
    @simpsonrdlarry43856 жыл бұрын

    Nice shooting Guys! Lots of fun!!

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    6 жыл бұрын

    One of my favorite hunts right here! Thanks for watching.

  • @mikecubes1642
    @mikecubes16424 жыл бұрын

    at 2:40 you could see the bullet moving. have you done a video with the 220 swift?

  • @yododosd716
    @yododosd7164 жыл бұрын

    Sick aiming skills dude

  • @jonsmith3574
    @jonsmith35746 жыл бұрын

    .243 is a great round for varmints and can do double duty for deer season with 100 grain rounds. Nice video

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    6 жыл бұрын

    The 243 is one of my favorite cartridges. Making this video with this load out was some of the most fun I've had chuck hunting. Thanks for watching.

  • @fjb4932

    @fjb4932

    3 жыл бұрын

    Jon Smith, Squirrel, grouse, gopher, rock chuck, coyote, whitetail/muley deer, black bear, elk, one moose. The right bullet and proper Shot placement ...

  • @rogerbeckner6419
    @rogerbeckner64194 жыл бұрын

    My Woodchuck Deathray is an older Ruger #1 in .243 Win. with an old Tasco 6x24 scope. Using 87 Grain V-Max Hornady Custom Ammo from the box and it is a 3-round cloverleaf at 250 yards. Guess I'll have to handload and see if I can shrink my groups!

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    4 жыл бұрын

    That's a pretty nice rig. I would stock up on that ammo! Hand loading is a lot of fun if you haven't got into it yet. It's a big investment of time and money. But it is very satisfying to shoot tiny groups and to take game with bullets you loaded. Thanks for watching.

  • @rogerbeckner6419

    @rogerbeckner6419

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ChuckinTV Have a Ruger M77 (first model) in 30-06 that I handloaded with one of the first Israeli powders to come over, and 165 Gn. Nosler Partition bullets. Weighed the cases, bullets, individual powder charges, hand- primed the cases, cut all cases to same length, and seated all bullets to same OAL. Went out to 100 yards and cold-barrel shot them. Three shot group was just inside of an inch. First test of that loading. Needless to say that became my pet load. Have other accurate rifles and pistols that I should handload. Just don't have the time. Do love seeing little groups from ammo that I made myself.

  • @hoosierdaddy2308
    @hoosierdaddy230811 ай бұрын

    Great video sir.. Great shooting and great hunting.. I love the .243.. Man, that's some pretty country too where you're at.. Is that Ohio or ? Penn? I'm in southern central Indiana and we call them Groundhogs here.. 😛 I've shot out to 800 yards and hit 1/2 gallon milk jugs with colored water with my old Remington 700 BDL Varmint I used to have. I'm about to buy another rifle and probably going to get the .243 again for here to use on Groundhogs and Coyotes and fox.. I might even start reloading again. I was out of hunting for awhile because of old age and health reasons being at the tender age of 62.. Great video shooting too man! He's really good! Thank him for me! I'll check out his other video's.. You can see the bullet cutting thru the air it's so good! Very cool man.. Love it.. Thanks so much guys.. More more please!

  • @miguelperaza6615
    @miguelperaza66152 жыл бұрын

    You guys are fucken chuckin AWESOME 👌

  • @brianbrigham9351
    @brianbrigham93516 жыл бұрын

    Nice shot thanks for helping me with my 308 maybe when I get new rings you can help me again

  • @eskimo1000
    @eskimo10003 жыл бұрын

    Thats a pretty powerful round for a small animal. The good thing is they did not suffer one bit

  • @yomomma107
    @yomomma10711 ай бұрын

    243 is a great chuck caliber but I prefer 300 win mag with a 110gr varmageddon bullet Now that's what you call red mist💥💥💥😁

  • @bigbasscatcher86
    @bigbasscatcher867 жыл бұрын

    Just started watching your channel and I like it! I see you have a redfield scope, which one is it? I'm in the market for a few scopes and I do like my redfields.

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    7 жыл бұрын

    Jason Driver It is a battlezone 6-18. It is discontinued and so are the revenge models. But I would recommend either one if you can find them. I do prefer the revenge 6-18 with the fine reticle. I ran that on my Tikka 300wm that is featured on a lot of our videos. Thanks for the views.

  • @jude.v25
    @jude.v255 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video and editing. Even better shooting! Fun to watch!

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, I would consider this one of our best wood chuck hunting videos. Garrett did a great job videoing this and that 243 couldn't miss.

  • @KeystoneTexan
    @KeystoneTexan5 жыл бұрын

    Nice shooting! Where y’all located at?

  • @davidwagner4671
    @davidwagner46716 жыл бұрын

    Wtg my favorite cal. An Chucking

  • @hughlink3122
    @hughlink31226 жыл бұрын

    What kind of rifle are you using

  • @colethompson6148
    @colethompson6148 Жыл бұрын

    What scope you got on that? What’s the magnification?

  • @MrChuckhunter
    @MrChuckhunter7 жыл бұрын

    Nice shooting. I could see a little wind blowing. It's always hard judging the wind. That 70gr Nosler Armageddon is a good and explosive bullet. I like them. CH

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    7 жыл бұрын

    I saw that you were using them on your last video. I'm impressed with how pinpoint accurate they are at further distances. I wasn't expecting them to fly true much past 300yds. They do blow around, but on the low wind shots you can see they fly straight as an arrow.

  • @jonsmith3574
    @jonsmith35746 жыл бұрын

    The Howa/weatherby vanguard is the best value in rifles hands down. Quality is far better than savage or Remington in same price range.

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    6 жыл бұрын

    I can hear Savage and Remington owners gears burning now... I will do a review on the Vanguard here when I get time. It is a great rifle for the money. There's plenty of cool aftermarket parts for it as well.

  • @PLAGUEofDEMONS
    @PLAGUEofDEMONS4 жыл бұрын

    Nice shootin' Tex! Vapor trails are outstanding. You just using a basic holdover or something lIke Strelok?

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. I use the Hornady calculator.

  • @exoduslnx
    @exoduslnx6 жыл бұрын

    Ok, I had to pause after the first shot like "WTF?"

  • @hoosierdaddy2308
    @hoosierdaddy230811 ай бұрын

    Forgot to ask earlier. What scope are you using on that Weatherby? Thanks man.. Appreciate it..

  • @davidwagner4671
    @davidwagner46716 жыл бұрын

    My favorite cal. 243 I use 75gr hp

  • @jguz7799
    @jguz77996 жыл бұрын

    Freaking great shooting! Not sure if you mentioned it, but what scope are you using?

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    6 жыл бұрын

    Redfield Battlezone 6-18x44. Not bad for 200$ It tracks reliably and the glass is nice on lower powers. 18x gets a little dark and hazy. Too bad they are discontinued along with the Revenge line. Thanks for watching!

  • @svendavison
    @svendavison7 жыл бұрын

    Outstanding shooting m8. I've culled 40 hogs out of my family farm in Maryland this year. i let them go if they are under 200 yards now days. I'm up for a challenge. these 500+ shots are nice and rewarding!

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    7 жыл бұрын

    It is definitely rewarding to get good solid hits at further ranges. It isn't as easy as it looks. Thanks for watching.

  • @squirrelman6719

    @squirrelman6719

    5 жыл бұрын

    you have no morals.

  • @fjb4932

    @fjb4932

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@squirrelman6719 Ironic. For You to say that ...

  • @stevejanka361
    @stevejanka3616 жыл бұрын

    What brand and model is the scope you are using. You are really dead on those shots with the death ray. Thanks for great videos. Take care.

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    6 жыл бұрын

    It is a Redfield Battlezone 6-18x. Philippine produced. Sadly, Redfield discontinued the Revenge and Battlezone models but you might still find them here and there. They were great scopes for the money. Optics are great up 15/16x and the tracking is reliable. Thanks for watching!

  • @davidgrason161
    @davidgrason1617 жыл бұрын

    JESUS!! You boys are SHOOTERS!! LOL

  • @kgunshooter4239
    @kgunshooter42395 жыл бұрын

    how I miss groundhog hunting after the coyotes came in here the groundhogs dissappeared.

  • @Ksilisab
    @Ksilisab3 жыл бұрын

    Don't worry guys it was just a tranquilizer dart. The groundhog made a full recovery.

  • @100PercentOS2
    @100PercentOS24 жыл бұрын

    I think you should call your rifle a splatter rifle. Groundhog parts flying everywhere.

  • @stevejanka361
    @stevejanka3616 жыл бұрын

    What do you suggest for a replacement optics? I am building up 6.5 creedmoor in AR 10 Cmmg brand. Thanks again.

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    6 жыл бұрын

    That really depends on your budget. What do you want to spend? And how far do you want to shoot? I may be able to suggest something for you.

  • @steves9285
    @steves92857 жыл бұрын

    nice shots, did you get a chance to get some berger vld's yet

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    7 жыл бұрын

    No, I'm pretty set on the Hornadys for my 7mm. Once I got them shooting a half inch at 100yds, I ordered more. It will be a while before I burn through them all. Thanks for watching.

  • @rogermcgee3841
    @rogermcgee38415 жыл бұрын

    Where was this video shot? Beautiful country.

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    5 жыл бұрын

    Western NY. It is pretty nice.

  • @jeffmcmillan6554

    @jeffmcmillan6554

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@ChuckinTVare you close to Clifford and Kill em Outdoors?

  • @miguelperaza6615
    @miguelperaza66152 жыл бұрын

    Lovely country , u guys hunt on , with the .243 , u can definitely hunt moose if you hit on the neck , at 60 yards . All your shooting is very very precise , I happen 2 have a super heavy barrel 243 Savage mod 12 , it'd be a drawback hunting like u guys , it's too fucken heavy to carry around ! Maybe I'll get a Savage Axis medium barrel 🤔

  • @Turbo44mag
    @Turbo44mag5 жыл бұрын

    I hand load 80 grain for several years and just decided to hand load 50 grain. Do you think it will have more damage with velocity?

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    5 жыл бұрын

    Pun Gent. It’s possible because the 50gr will dump it’s energy quicker.

  • @GoldCountryTrapping

    @GoldCountryTrapping

    2 жыл бұрын

    50g should definitely up the damage-meter but will also cause premature barrel and throat erosion.

  • @jaxxonbalboa3243
    @jaxxonbalboa32434 жыл бұрын

    . 0:22 holyshit!!!! . mind blown!

  • @visiter127
    @visiter1275 жыл бұрын

    Hi lads just found ur channel, great shots just wondering do the woodchuck do damage? Also what's ur favorite loads all the best

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    5 жыл бұрын

    Welcome. Glad to have you! Woodchucks dig massive holes in hay fields, pastures, around houses/structures. They do cause damage to equipment, livestock, and buildings because of their holes. We do a pretty good job of keeping them thinned out by shooting them. Plus shooting them is a better alternative to poison or gassing them. I would have to say this "Deathray" round is my favorite for the 243. I have many more favorites for all the other calibers I use. Thanks for watching.

  • @tracysimmons3860

    @tracysimmons3860

    5 жыл бұрын

    visiter1 That first kill reminds me of J.F.K. Murder.

  • @visiter127

    @visiter127

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@tracysimmons3860 ha ha ha very true

  • @KeystoneTexan

    @KeystoneTexan

    5 жыл бұрын

    Tracy Simmons that’s just wrong... but true!

  • @mattpie595

    @mattpie595

    3 жыл бұрын

    Each of their burrows have a large mound in front of them. When the farmer cuts his crop. he’ll break some teeth off the cutter and its back to the barn for a welding job.

  • @scottrussell8139
    @scottrussell81395 жыл бұрын

    good grief thats a nasty round lol

  • @Mark.Hugie1
    @Mark.Hugie15 жыл бұрын

    What scope are you running on your Weatherby? And would I be able to still find one in today's market? I can't tell what kind it is.

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    5 жыл бұрын

    Redfield Battlezone 6-18x44. They are discontinued, but you might be able to find them.

  • @Mark.Hugie1

    @Mark.Hugie1

    5 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate you getting back abck to. I've found myself doing mini marathons of Chuckin video watching, serious skills you got there. Just wanted to to see what you were working with any little bit of knowledge helps. I've gotta Redfield Revenge on top of a Savage. 270 and it's hard to beat for the money. I don't know if I'll ever get to shoot quite that far on a regular basis so if I can't find that Battlezone , do you have a recommendation of comparable functionality, quality and price you could help me out with?

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Mark.Hugie1 The Redfield Revenge is another scope that I shoot extended ranges with. I actually prefer my Revenge scopes over the Battlezone. They are the same glass, just different features. I would say that a Nikon with a re-settable would be my next choice in the 150-250$ price range. That's what I'd lean on as a Redfield Revenge replacement. I rely on the turrets for elevation compensation. So a scope that tracks well and has reset turrets is a must for me.

  • @Mark.Hugie1

    @Mark.Hugie1

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@ChuckinTV Yeah me and my brothers mostly hunt whitetail and hogs out here in the Carolinas and since we don't have quite that kind of wide open real estate I don't rely on turrets as much as I do holdover. I'll be starting varmint hunting this year though. I just know in order for you to be able to scalp an 8lb chuck at that distance you "GOTTA" have some "GOOD" glass and I want some of that action dude. I actually thought the Redfield Revolution took the place of the Revenge. I've been trying to find a Thompson Center Venture in .243 still laying around in some store's back stock months now (but luck) so I moved on to the Vanguard. It looks like this video just might have been the thing to cause me to go ahead and pull the trigger on that purchase. Now I'll be on a scope hunt to pair it with in that $200-250 range.

  • @gabriellopez4111
    @gabriellopez41113 жыл бұрын

    If someone asks Where the woodchucks at, he’s over there, over there, and up there 👆 and a little bit of it to ur left

  • @trg3761
    @trg3761 Жыл бұрын

    I can only get 3471 fps out of a 24 “ barrel with 70 gr blitz and 41 grs varget

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    Жыл бұрын

    I wouldn’t recommend going faster. This barrel burned out

  • @jasonbell5905
    @jasonbell59052 жыл бұрын

    Just the hide was left 😳

  • @bigdave6447
    @bigdave6447 Жыл бұрын

    Have you eaten a wood chuck?

  • @stevejanka361
    @stevejanka3616 жыл бұрын

    Something around 4-5 hundred dollars and 600 to 800 yards.

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    6 жыл бұрын

    That leaves you open to some really good options. I don't have any hands on experience with this, but from what I've read I might go with a Sightron STAC 4-20x50. That is right in the budget. I am actually considering getting one myself. I also like Warne 30mm rings for less than 40$ as well. That zoom range would be very versatile as well.

  • @stevejanka361

    @stevejanka361

    6 жыл бұрын

    Hey thanks man. Sure sounds like another viable option. Keep up the great videos. They sure give me something to watch while spring comes to Ohio.

  • @gshock3092
    @gshock30923 жыл бұрын

    I prefer the 25/06 myself. But good shooting!

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    3 жыл бұрын

    you really like your 25-06 don't ya? haha I've seen you comment that on 3 different videos. I don't own one, but it is a nasty round

  • @gshock3092

    @gshock3092

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ChuckinTV i almost bought a 243 too. In fact there was to chuck guns for sale when i bought my 06 . The other was a 243 and if that was the only one left i would have been happy with a 243 as well!

  • @bustabass9025
    @bustabass90252 жыл бұрын

    I'm guessing the crows, opossums, and coyotes are, "eatin' good in your neighborhood". You are kinda like the Applebee's for varmint family dining. Now, if they ever learn to tip...

  • @idaho1959kkidd
    @idaho1959kkidd3 жыл бұрын

    Hey 👋 good 👍shooting! Splattered em all over the pasture; the crows and coyotes will be eating good 👍

  • @mattpie595
    @mattpie5953 жыл бұрын

    If you are shooting a 70 gr at 3700fps you are over max load! Back off 200 fps and then you are at max pressure.

  • @johnharr9707
    @johnharr97074 жыл бұрын

    If it's brown, it's down!!!

  • @MrHammed
    @MrHammed5 жыл бұрын

    Shit!

  • @davidbohner692
    @davidbohner6922 жыл бұрын

    I think you are under gunned

  • @ianmcgarrigle8492
    @ianmcgarrigle84923 жыл бұрын

    OK but a .22LR would have been a lot cheaper

  • @12vibaba

    @12vibaba

    Жыл бұрын

    No I don't think so. 1 shot with a .243 is a lot cheaper than 2000 rounds of .22 and still not hitting anything at 500+ yards.

  • @squirrelman6719
    @squirrelman67195 жыл бұрын

    killing is not a sport !

  • @rkb6783

    @rkb6783

    5 жыл бұрын

    WOW, YOUR INTELLIGENT !

  • @TheREALLibertyOrDeath

    @TheREALLibertyOrDeath

    5 жыл бұрын

    Go hug a tree asshole

  • @alanacrawfordstudent1610
    @alanacrawfordstudent16104 жыл бұрын

    Why would you do this to the poor animal?

  • @ChuckinTV

    @ChuckinTV

    4 жыл бұрын

    Alana Crawford ( Student ) Just curious.. why are you searching for videos like this? Because this video doesn’t just pop into people’s recommended feed. You are either a troll or someone who is looking to be outraged. We shoot woodchucks for pest control and many other reasons which I’m not wasting my energy explaining to you. If you have a real reason for commenting, I am all ears.

  • @gshock3092

    @gshock3092

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ChuckinTV if her poor horse broke its ankle in a woodchuck hole then she would understand!