Thanks for the overwhelmingly warm reception to this video! I'm super happy with how it turned out. A couple notes: 1) Yes, I know I mixed up the release year for The Wrath of Khan -- it was a genuine slip of the tongue. Y'all can stop leaving comments about it now 😅 2) Please don't disparage others for how they rank the films. A lot of that is subjective, and with these retrospectives, I mainly want to focus on the lore contributions while also critiquing and reviewing where I feel necessary. LLAP!

@darricshhh

12 күн бұрын

You still deserve more views.

@TheCryptoKeeper

10 күн бұрын

2,3,1,5,6,4

@jerr0.

5 күн бұрын

I think note #2 is unnecessary. If you put your opinion out into the world, it's now open to other people's opinions and discussion

@crosana01

4 күн бұрын

Are you aware if any of the early draft scripts for Star Trek II and III are available to read? I've had a considerable interest in alternate versions or prototypes of these two films since childhood where I would have many reoccurring dreams of sometimes vastly different stories for these two films.

@TheCryptoKeeper

4 күн бұрын

@@crosana01 do you know about the novels. All Star Trek novels 1-6 add quite a bit of information to the story especially part 3 because the movie part doesn’t even start until very far into the novel and they aren’t up against Klingons, it’s Romulans etc. I think Star Trek 2 novel explains how Chekov and Khan know each other, etc. I’ve actually only read 1,3,5. 5 really filled in a lot of the plot holes etc of 5.

Wrath of Khan is quite frankly one of the best motion pictures of all time. I've literally seen that movie over 20 times. It's one of best movies ever not just Star Trek

@jamesabernethy7896

21 күн бұрын

I follow a few other channels who cover TV and movies. He listed his 25 top movies of all time and I listed mine just for fun too. II and VI were both on mine.

@DemoDick1

21 күн бұрын

Saw it in theater with my big brother (without whom I would never have been admitted). To this day, the score gets my heart beating.

@DissociatedWomenIncorporated

20 күн бұрын

I think it’s overrated, The Undiscovered Country does a similar story with a similar vibe so much better. But I know that’s an unpopular opinion 😂 Now, The Voyage Home on the other hand… _there’s_ one of the greatest films of all time!

@ThommyofThenn

20 күн бұрын

​@@DissociatedWomenIncorporatedI appreciate your saying that and I agree although I view it a bit differently. TWOK is indeed a masterpiece of sci-fi film but I think the real issue is TSFS is severely *underrated* especially as a direct folllow-up to TWOK!

@mudspud

20 күн бұрын

​@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Agreed

Because they have heart. They don’t all have to be about saving the Earth or the universe. Just good stories and characters.

"And Grandma even gets a new kidney." 😂😂😂😂 A favorite not only for the comedy but it, like most of the hospital sequence, is such a good showcase for Bones. He may seem a curmudgeon but his heart is always about helping when he can, time travel rules be damned.

@russellharrell2747

20 күн бұрын

And Grandma went on to live another 40 years and was known as the tyrant leader taking over half the world, Grandma Singh, en stating a policy that no political office will be held by anyone under that age of 65.

@pokepress

20 күн бұрын

It also follows on from “City on the Edge of Forever” where he saved Edith Keeler, forcing Kirk and Spock to go back and fix the timeline.

@balung

19 күн бұрын

Everyone overlooks how the Prime Directive was violated in this movie.

@brigidsingleton1596

19 күн бұрын

​@@balung Now who's being a curmudgeon?!! How many times was the Prime Directive ignored?!

"Double dumbass on you, and so forth" is peak Trek humor. 6 is my favorite though.

@toddkurzbard

19 күн бұрын

Actually, the best moment is the punk on the bus.

@aldunlop4622

6 күн бұрын

I like "Should we tell Starfleet?" Sulu answers "Are you kidding?" in 6.

@trhansen3244

2 күн бұрын

@@aldunlop4622 I got to see George Takei at a convention. Listening to him you would think he is the reason Star Trek was a success. It was very bizarre. I used to like him but he comes out of the closet decades after it was controversial and he acts like he is some kind of trailblazer.

@aldunlop4622

2 күн бұрын

@@trhansen3244 Oh yeah, he's 100% the cause of the problem with Bill. He's an arrogant man and wanted to be the star of the show on Star Trek. The stars were Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley. He felt like he was the star of the show. They eventually gave him his own ship in ST6 just to get rid of him.

In a live event when I was 12 or 13 (1990-1991), George Takei visited my area. He told us many fun stories, including that both the Taxi/"Double-Dumb-Ass-on-You" and the lady helping Checkov with the "Nucleear Wessels" were honest encounters on the street, that took asking for signed releases to use. They had to track the Taxi back to his dispatch, though they caught the lady at the end of the street. Wonderful random encounters.

@John-ct9zs

Күн бұрын

I can see the lady with the "Nucleear Wessels" being a real encounter on the street, she acts like a person off the street and not an actor. But the guy in the taxi? Would director Leonard Nimoy and the filmmakers risk the life of everyone walking onto a busy traffic street just to get that scene?

I admit Wrath of Khan is the superior movie, but Undiscovered Country is my favourite.

@IvoJim

19 күн бұрын

I feel the very same, Wrath of Khan is cinema at its very best, but Undiscovered Country is so much fun

@Draliseth

19 күн бұрын

I refuse to admit the former, but will gleefully concur with the latter.

@zacharythomas8617

19 күн бұрын

Which is more: Star Trek though?

@chriswright6245

12 күн бұрын

Mine is TMP, 2 and then 6.

@schnittmagier5515

3 күн бұрын

I used to rank 4 first then 6 3 2 when i saw them back then. But I think that 2 is ageing better than 4.

21:07 I always assumed that Khan memorized the entire crew of the Enterprise from the library.

@rickjohnston2667

21 күн бұрын

Obviously (or maybe not so obviously), Chekov was an Ensign that had just been assigned to the Enterprise and was in engineering, when Khan took it over. Kind of like how Kevin Riley, a bridge officer in 2 episodes, was transferred from the bridge back down to engineering in "The Conscience of the King" episode from the 1st season.

@AaronLitz

8 күн бұрын

@@rickjohnston2667Exactly; just because Chekov wasn't a bridge officer yet doesn't mean he wasn't serving on the ship somewhere.

I still remember the chills I felt at Shatner's delivery of "Let them die".

@thedirectorschair1054

18 күн бұрын

The Producers, and Shatner, weren't afraid to make Kirk human. Unlike modern day heroes who are all completely perfect, infallible and utterly boring.

@johnhafford1970

3 күн бұрын

Shatners best line is “Here it comes” before unleashing on the Reliant in Wrath of Kahn.

@trhansen3244

2 күн бұрын

He was right, too. They should have let the Klingons die. The Klingons are awful.

Just glad we had those six movies to feed us.

“What does god need with a starship?” Five is underrated.

@jamesabernethy7896

21 күн бұрын

I've always had a soft spot for V too. It has flaws but it tries to do something different. I love emotional weight it had. Many stories have such wide ramifications for the the Federation, but this was personnel, I love Sybok showing them their pain and McCoy tried to fight it, Spock accepts it and Kirk rejects it all together.

@ethankane7854

21 күн бұрын

I like the idea of V, and I even like some parts of it, but on the whole the movie leaves a lot to be desired. It has poor pacing, and the Klingon villains didn't really need to be there. I'm actually fine with the idea of Spock having a brother we've never heard of before. Having him be the criminally insane, black sheep of the family is a good reason why he's never been mentioned. I think, with a bit more refinement, Sybok could have been a pretty good villain, but as he is now, he's just a little too plain. The, "What does god need with a starship" line was pretty good. At least that specific moment.

@jamesabernethy7896

21 күн бұрын

@@ethankane7854 Spock has never been the most forthcoming about family. The episode 'Journey to Babel' proves that. But there was fault on both sides.

@white-dragon4424

21 күн бұрын

That, and "God" firing exploding tennis balls from his eyes.

@Kable_TV

21 күн бұрын

The way they sing row your boat is hilarious

I think, if you're a Star Trek fan at heart, hearing the Jerry Goldsmith score over shots of the ship is enough to make anyone tear up.

@matthahnke8855

10 күн бұрын

Or the Horner score

@trhansen3244

2 күн бұрын

Star Trek was lucky to have two of the all time best film composers. Goldsmith's STTMP score is one of the very best ever and I do enjoy his score in First Contact. And Horner's scores in II and III were beautiful.

"and Grandma even gets a new kidney." 😂

@nitehawk86

21 күн бұрын

The entire hospital scene in IV is some of the best Trek. "My god we are in the dark ages."

@TershMeridian

21 күн бұрын

Hey do I really have a bigger fan of TREK here in Philly? I live in Philly.

Long time fan, early 1970’s. “Search for Spock “ is my favorite, because it is most like an episode of TOS. It’s about the 3 of them.

Love that the punk on the bus in "The Voyage Home" was actually the movie's producer Kirk Thatcher. They didn't want to use copyrighted music, so he created that punk track "I Hate You" especially for his role! Also I really like the continuity "The Undiscovered Country" has with "The Voyage Home". For instance Admiral Cartwright returns, and Sulu, having remarked at the end of "Voyage Home" that he wants to command Excelsior, finally got his wish.

@vinnynj78

6 сағат бұрын

In an interview he goes into extensive details over the work put into that small scene including having to spike his own hair for the duration of the time that part of the movie was being filmed. The first time he walked on set in full costume he bumped into DeForest Kelley. Kelley looked him over with his signature grin, remarked "Nice shoes'" and walked off--such a small moment but so hilarious.

@martenw8341

4 сағат бұрын

Despite all the flaws of the Picard series one hilarious detail in season two is that they honour the bus scene by doing a similar situation with seven of nine and the song playing now has the lyrics "I Still hate you" lmao. 😂

Spock attributing the Arthur Conan Doyle quote to an ancestor of his could also have been a subtle joke, since (re)acquiring a sense of humor as part of integrating his human side was part of his character arc over the course of the movies.

@zqxzqxzqx1

3 күн бұрын

Let's also not forget the old, Vulcan proverb, "Only Nixon could go to China."

The Undiscovered Country is my favorite.

One of your very best creations ever. Nice mix of storyline and behind the scenes details. Having watched TOS in my formative years, and the movies as a young adult I found this very nostalgic and nice to revisit. Thanks so much! 🥰

@OrangeRiver

21 күн бұрын

Thanks Nathan!

@rickjohnston2667

21 күн бұрын

I totally agree. Tyler, you one again knocked it out of the park. You deserve a commendation for original thinking, to paraphrase Kirk from Wrath of Khan.

Regarding Kobayashi Maru: Kirk Prime tells us he reprogrammed the simulation so that it was *possible* to win; Kelvin Kirk's alteration clearly makes it *impossible* for him to lose. I like that Kirk Prime was only asking for a fair chance; presumably it was this argument that earned him that commendation...

@kevinkorenke3569

2 күн бұрын

I agree wholeheartedly, so many events from the reboot movies were simply the characters being dumb to down to the point of mockery because the directors simply wasn't intelligent enough to envision someone being clever. The less spoken about the failed reboots the better.

I got someone doing FARSCAPE reactions AND OrangeRiver doing classic Trek films? Today might not be so bad.

V’ger came from an alternate universe Cybertron that never knew war.

@danielseelye6005

20 күн бұрын

Now I'm wanting to have had V'Ger speak at the climax of TMP instead of using Ilia...with Peter Cullen's voice.

@chriswright6245

12 күн бұрын

​@@danielseelye6005transform and roll out

Fantastic review I'm glad you didn't put Star Trek the motion picture at the very bottom

@joseaguilar3323

21 күн бұрын

As long as STV exists, it's safe

@consonaadversapars

3 күн бұрын

The Motion Picture is easily the best Star Trek film to this date.

@trhansen3244

2 күн бұрын

I put TMP at the top. The Director's Cut, that is.

In wrath of Khan when Carol says Starfleet kept the peace she was referring to what her son said about scientists always being pawns of the military. She meant they had kept the peace between them and the scientific community

That whole McCoy bar scene is hilarious lol. "Place you name, money I name, otherwise bargain no!...GENESIS?!!"

@artonline01

21 күн бұрын

fan of the electric universe?

@RockyRailroadProductions_B0SS

21 күн бұрын

It is not logical for one to order poison as a beverage

@SynchronicityScenario144

21 күн бұрын

@@artonline01 Oh you recognize the plasma man. Yea, I find the electric universe intriguing.

@xxHUNGRY4THETRUTHxx

21 күн бұрын

Genesis allowed is not! It's planet forbidden!

@4541studios

17 күн бұрын

"how can you be deaf, with ears like that!?!"

I didnt watch the TOS films until I was a young adult in the late 2010s. As such, I was unaware of the bias most fans have towards the "cursed" entries in the ST film series. I love TMP and enjoy TSFS quite a lot. Hearing some of these wacky ideas that early script treatments had.. Lol. I'm grateful we got as competently made films as we did. I realise the heretical nature of my liking these TOS films, to this end, I now present my neck to the chopping block.

@mallninja9805

20 күн бұрын

That "rule" is silly. Search for Spock is a good movie. Stealing the Enterprise and the Enterprise self destruct are two of the best scenes in all of Star Trek. It just suffers from being sandwiched between two better movies.

@ThommyofThenn

20 күн бұрын

@@mallninja9805 thank you for your understanding. This "sandwich" problem is something I have grappled with before. I'm a big fantasy reader and my favourite installment in a quite long series, is the second book. The first is regarded one of the strongest fantasy series debuts* ever and the third is often thought of as the peak of the series thus far. I've had to "defend" my picks several times now in comparison conversations and it can be trying. It's great that other people like the series enough to have firm opinions on their favourite installments and ultimately I enjoy explaining why I like it. Anyway, I'm glad to see someone else enjoy something I find underrated. Thanks my friend

I've always read Spock quoting Sherlock Holmes as him simply acknowledging his human side, not evidence of an actual bloodline. There's a lot in Nimoy's performances to suggest that post-Genesis Spock is a substantially different person, more enlightened and more in touch with himself.

Undiscovered Country. Spock was referring to Holmes being an ancestor. It was an inside joke because Nimoy played Holmes on stage and Myer had written Holmes novels and directed the movies.

Wrath of Khan is the best Star Trek film ever. That being said, I agree with you on Insurrection, but I'm one of the few that actually liked, or at least, enjoyed, much of Nemesis. It's not a great film by any stretch of the imagination, but I feel like there's a really good story that needed another rewrite or two.

@benpayne677

5 күн бұрын

I enjoyed Nemesis also. They made some silly marketing choices and tried to promote it as an “action” movie over sci-fi if that has some action. I thought the Remans were interesting.

@trhansen3244

2 күн бұрын

I hate Nemesis. It showed once again the crew of TNG were never good on the big screen. First Contact succeeds because of the Borg, Stewart and some quality performances by others not part of TNG, like Cromwell and Woodard. The TNG crew cannot act. Period. No matter how much they tried. But Nemesis also made Stewart look like a bad actor. And with a terrible story and some really shoddy effects. The only good thing I can say about Nemesis is it isn't Star Trek V.

Respect for all the research and knowledge needed to make this video!

I hate being this guy, but ST 2 was released in 1982 not 84. I know it was a slip of the tongue though. Just saying

Excellent "sabotage" reference. Shatner was the worst when recording audio!

TMP: I don't hate it and it elevated the aesthetics of TOS. I can't tell anyone they are "wrong" for not liking it though. It's not particularly compelling because of the pacing and the specifics of the script and story has characters and relationships feeling off kilter in some way to TOS fans, or just cold and distant to newbies. But it's such a grand production and it does feel inline with a vision of scifi that Roddenberry had which wanted ideas and concepts at the forefront and not just action. Bob Wise definitely added SCOPE to Trek. Without something like it Trek would be relegated to "cheesy 60's show" I suspect. STII: What else can be said? It's probably still the best Trek film and it's effect on the franchise can't be overstated. Love the uniforms, the score, the characterization and relationships... It's a win from start to finish. Nuff said. STIII: Yeah... The Odd Films Suck theory just never holds water for me because this movie exists as the ALMOST pitch oerfect follow up to WOK. I think that it's only flaw is Kruge isn't quite Khan level as an antagonist, but Lloyd is still really good, he just isn't Khan level and that's fine. Otherwise it's such a fun and satisfying romp. Nimoy certainly earned the right to direct the next one. STIV: Again... What more can be said? Maybe the best example of doing a Trek film that also evokes the show in all the best ways possible. The end of an unofficial trilogy starting from WOK, this could have been the last TOS crew film and I would have been happy. STV: Bill... What the hell were you thinking? 😂 STVI: I can't lie... It's got so much good stuff in it and everyone tries their best but I think the cast shows their age too much in this one as much as it does have good character and lore contributions . If this has been the story for STV with Meyers helming it maybe it would have come off better to me. Not terrible, but the vibe is just a little off. I gotta be me and put it a hairsbreadth above TMP but under STIII in my rankings.

That scene with Mariner in the prison cell with the Klingon talking about her friend is the most Star Trek thing that has been written since the end of DS9.

I've seen all the Trek movies when they first came out in theaters. Watching Star Trek 3 in theaters was the first time I'd ever been in a movie theater and you could hear people audibly sobbing all over the theater as we watched the Enterprise burn down through the Genesis planet's atmosphere. I didn't hear people crying when Spock died. But the Enterprise dying - that made us ball, out loud, in a movie theater sitting next to total strangers. The only other time like that was the end of Return of the King. My dad said it was like that at the end of Old Yeller.

My car's license plate is KHAAAAN. Yes, I'm serious.

Imagine Eddie Murphy in the Voyage Home. What a missed opportunity! LOL

I can get on board with Shatners reasoning for writing V.

@AndDiracisHisProphet

20 күн бұрын

I agree. Also the line: "What does god need with a Star Ship". Absolut gold. But the rest....oh boy.

The weirdest part about the TOS movies is how they go from IV to VI. They never made a V and that's always been odd.

@russellharrell2747

20 күн бұрын

It is weird. It’s a good thing there wasn’t a fifth movie in 1989, because that year had some of the best movies released. I’d sure hate to release a movie against competitor like Back to the Future part 2, Indiana Jones 3, Ghostbusters 2, Batman, UHF…

@AaronLitz

8 күн бұрын

@@russellharrell2747 _Ghostbusters 2?_ Surely you're joking, no one would have ever been stupid enough to attempt something like that, it would only have turned out horribly forced and awful. Just like those rumors of sequels to _Aliens_ and _Highlander_ that thankfully never, ever, _ever_ got made.

Sorry, Tyler @17:45, you say this was released in 1984. I'm sure it's 1982 release for Khan. You're doing great with STAR TREK my dude❤

@TershMeridian

3 күн бұрын

Sorry sir. I don't mean to gang up on you. You're doing a great job editing & putting these videos for us to absorb. 😄

Great Job as always Tyler , Thank You (:

I loved Star Trek 5 but 6 was my fav. I know most say 2 but 6 was the best for me. Yea but I loved ST5 and never understood the hate being ST3 was the one I hated the most.

@jamesabernethy7896

21 күн бұрын

I've always had that soft spot for V. I remember seeing show on TV when I was little and if I think about it IV was probably the first one I saw, it was played a lot on TV as it was great family viewing. As things have gone on though it's probably my least favourite now. Not that it's in any way a bad movie, but I like being in the 23rd Century. III had some amazing moments, The introduction of the Excelsior, the stealing of the Enterprise, the destruction of the Enterprise and McCoy's small Speech, David's death and Spock's recovery. Really emotional scenes.

i unironically think of you as the tendi guy

Thank you for filling in some bits of the timeline leading up to the first motion picture. Material I hadn’t even been aware of, such as the “Cattleman” script.

Just started watching, but I've always considered the tone shift between TOS and the movies as the end of the cowboy era. Space was well settled and it was time to start being "civilized".

@jamesabernethy7896

21 күн бұрын

There's clearly a shift in format from a weekly TV series to an engaging movie. The show was about exploring, the movies were about protecting the things you love.

I still like to believe that QuonoS of the TNG era is effectively a new planet from the one referred to in ST6, and that it's technically New QuonoS

@rickjohnston2667

21 күн бұрын

I believe that after the events of Star Trek 6, the Federation developed technology to help the Klingons repair the environmental damage caused by Praxis explosion.

I'll never not adore The Voyage Home, so that's my number 1, but have a soft spot for the 2 parter (as I see it) Khan and Search for Spock. It was at a marathon showing of 1, 2 and 3 when 3 first came out, that I really became a Trek fan. Then Voyage Home just hooked me right in! 5 is abysmal, and it's not for nothing that 1 is referred to as The Motionless Picture, so that leaves 6 at slot 4, although it's a shame as it is a great film...And, sadly, as much as I love TNG, apart from First Contact, their films were very disappointing for me, so I agree with you there!

Great Video! ST2 and ST6 will NEVER be Beaten by future Star Trek Films... Yes I said *NEVER!*

@rickjohnston2667

21 күн бұрын

Never say never. But 2 and 6 are still the best to date.

@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701

20 күн бұрын

@@rickjohnston2667 indeed

Thanks for another great video. I agree with your ranking, except I'd flip the top 2 positions with Wrath of Khan as my fav, and Voyage Home as second, but both are excellent. I love the TOS movie era ship designs, and Wrath of Khan uniforms, and wish there was a new series set during this time. I agree with you that this is also my favorite incarnation of the Star Trek universe, and I would also be happy living there. I hope you go into even more depth into this era at some point in the future.

I dare say the boldness to number the TOS like chapters in a grand novel is a feature which will stand the test of time.

My peak favorite era and "type" of Star Trek, combination of the high concept grandiose storytelling from the Original Series and the gorgeous and creative special effects of Industrial Light and Magic, along with the original cast acting at their best, I feel, while still getting plenty of opportunities to ham it up when needed. (ranging from "How does history get past someone like me?" to "I... HAVE HAD.... ENOUGH OF... YOU!") Personally, The Motion Picture has really grown on me over time, and it's now a firm favorite, though it is also a running joke among friends and such who never manage to stay awake to the end to see my cold, dead, unfeeling heart start to feel things and ugly-cry at the concept of V'Ger.

ST5 still has Kirk's best line "What does God need with a Starship?"

Chistopher Lloyd's Captain Kruge is probably the Klingon who most loves his Klingon-ess, and throws himself into the whole idea of Klingons as a full and complete civilization with a culture, ambitions, and real personalities. Gowron, on the other hand, is the most Klingon out of all Klingons ever played. He doesn't feel like he intellectually has the same grasp on what being a Klingon might mean or imply, but he instinctually knows exactly how a Klingon would act in whatever situation he finds himself in. In more black and white terms, Lloyd is the Klingon who really seems to epitomize the philosophy, or the brains, of a true Klingon, while Gowron seems to epitomize the emotions, or the heart, of the true Klingon. I've always loved these two portrayals of Klingons, and they've really set the tone for all of the Klingons who cane after they did.

An excellent video. A few notes; The Motion Picture is best enjoyed on the biggest screen you can find, in the cinema it really was a wonder to behold. Some more action and a slightly tighter edit could have perfected it. ST2 was just perfect as it was, despite oddly reusing the MP 'leaving drydock' sequence. ST3 was bloomin exciting to see at the cinema, stealing the Enterprise may be my favourite ST TOS movie sequence and that soundtrack moment, still makes me tingle. Wish they had added a scene at Starfleet when Grissom was destroyed, something along the lines of: "Admiral Morrow, we've lost contact with the Grissom in Genesis sector" "Copy commander, do we have any ships in the sector?" "Nothing sir, Excelsior is out of action, and no other Federation ships in close range....apart from... the Enterprise" Morrow nods..... "Convene an urgent meeting with the council, I'll apprise them of the situation" "Yes sir!" *Looks out of window* "you're on your own now Jim, we're counting on you more then you know." *Jumps back to Enterprise at warp.* ST4 was great, odd in some ways, but I liked the high scf-fi aspect and it nicely completed the trilogy. ST5 was a mess but did have some potential, it wasn't the full vision but the scene with Sybok/Kirk/Bones was heavy and possibly one of the most emotional scenes in the entire franchise. Sound mix was terrible in the cinema, couldn't understand the God thingy and it was way too loud. ST6, a step back to form, though I wasn't keen on the handling of the prison planet stuff, felt very set based while the actress playing Martia, just didn't work for me. A revised prison planet and final assassination scene would have perfected it.

Never been so early! Let's get it!

I did my own rankings of the TOS films before watching yours and it was exactly the same order. Wow, I didn't expect that.

I love all six of the TOS films. Over time, “The Motion Picture” has become my favorite

Star Trek 2 The Wath Of Kahn was released in June 1982,the same year Tron was released not 1984.

Final Frontier is not awful. It’s the closest one to TOS. Goofy at times. Some corners are cut, mainly due to budget. And the plot is pretty much a contrivance to deliver what’s so great.. Charm, character, wit, a great score, some of the best performances in all Trek. We have some truly gut wrenching character development. Therefore it’s the best ‘Star Trek’ film..

I think one of the things I remember when I was introduced to the TOS movies (way back in '96 or '97) was my friend's view that the best movies were the "evens", II, IV and VI, and the ranking order here seems to play to that idea too.

Khan had to go to the bathroom but it was occupied by Chekov. That's why he remembers him 😂

@rickjohnston2667

21 күн бұрын

Lol.

@keirfarnum6811

20 күн бұрын

You mean the “head?”

Thanks for the work you clearly put into this one! These days, I find it more worthwile to go back to the older Star Trek, revisiting shows, movies, novels and secondary literature... the ones I grew up with. It just felt less dystopian back then.

After so long I was wondering where is Tyler? and in fact he is here.

10:57 always nice to see the Supernova class heat lamps

25:25 while it's impossible to deny Shatner has a love of chewing scenery and 'over-acting' (much more common in the era that Shatner's teachers would have been passing on, I believe.) That said, I can think of so many times his acting genuinely moved me. He knows when to ham it up but he has the range and experience to play things more in terms of modern drama. See the timestamp for an example; the look of elation and pure relief when Spock recognises him almost always gets me. Still, I don't think I would regard Shatner as highly as I do, if he didn't have the chemistry he clearly shares with the talented Nimoy to work with.

That's a good point about warp drive, afaik classic warp drive was a geometric scale while the TNG warp drive was an exponential scale.

I've seen all of TNG and DS9 at least 4 times, Voyager twice and the first season of Enterprise once... I have no clue why I have not given TOS a chance but I'm gonna rectify that by watching the films.

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Wrath of Khan, then Undiscovered Country for me.

I play Elder Scrolls Online (NA Server) and i actually built a house with the HMS Bounty interior and exterior. It was a lot of fun going through the film and screenshots to try and get the details right :)

Yessss IV is absolutely peak Trek and character driven writing. It's been my favorite movie since as long as I have memory.

"Fly her apart then!" ~Sulu

My thoughts on why TMP was so slow paced, especially with the Starship scenes, is that its trying to take inspiration from 2001: A Space Odyssey with its similar very slow ship and docking sequences accompanied by music. Also the idea that humanity will meet some kind of super-being that takes us to the next level of evolution, or of a rogue machine created by humans turning on us, also kind of echoes points from 2001. Also the scene when they enter the V'Ger cloud or when Spock enters the V'Ger ship seem to be trying to emulate the trippy "hyperspace" scene at the end of 2001.

Thanks for the fantastic video, Tyler! Really enjoyed it! I must say, The Wrath of Khan is my top one. I remember seeing that as a kid with my dad. Most epic space battle of the 80's.

I have a soft spot for Star Trek V. It's like a dream dimension version of Star Trek - and I think it basically works if you watch it with that in mind. There's also some great character stuff, maybe even the best character stuff.

STV >>>>>>>>> ST Nemesis. Five can at least work in a so bad its good level, Nemesis is too awful to even enjoy on that level.

Re the portent of friendship between the Federation and the Klingon Empire. In the TOS episode Errand of Mercy, Ayelborne tells Kirk and Kor that in time, their two powers will become fast friends.

There was a fundamental change in television at the end of the 70's. Stand-alone episodes which didn't require dedicated viewing to understand or appreciate them fell to the wayside mostly. What I call the Soap Opera effect came into full swing in the 80's. TOS went from this earlier TV format to the big screen and adapted very well IMO. While I feel TNG was somewhat more mature it also began to fall into the same trap along with it's other Star Trek series and when they finally decided to make Films using TNG - the overall feeling wasn't as epic but felt more like expensive long TV shows. The difference between the TOS television episodes and the movies is worth the price of admission.

I wish The Thing had been turned into an RPG.

My pick's were :2,3,4,6,1,5. Yes motion picture was too slow. Wrath of Khan ,search for Spock ,voyage home excellent! 5--- well....and 6 also good. Thanks; enjoyed the video.

I was always under the impression that the engine core from the Motion Picture, was used as the engine core in Voyager.

Star Trek 3 will always be my favorite, and it's Kirk at his absolute best. Wonderful score, and it introduces alot to the franchise. And, I think Kruge Is my favorite Trek movie villain. I'll admit 2,4 and 6 are better movies, but this is my personal favorite.

OMG I keep getting distracted!!!

The power of Star Trek is universal...and endures.

Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is just a dream.

Good times were had with the Sherlock hot take! Great breakdown as always! 🙂

21:28 I had really hoped that Star Trek (2009) would show Kirk’s solution to the test as depicted in the novel “The Kobayashi Maru,” by Julia Ecklar. In that story, Kirk’s solution did not entail hacking the test directly, but changing a few pieces of information elsewhere in Starfleet’s computer banks. If you haven’t read the novel, you definitely should! (Do NOT read the synopsis of Kirk’s solution provided by the Memory Alpha wiki; it misrepresents it so badly that it gets virtually every fact wrong.)

Wrath of Kahn is the first great TOS movie, and Voyage Home is the funniest, but Undiscovered Country is the *best* TOS movie and IMO it's not really a close call. Its exploration through our heroes and their Klingon counterparts of how old hatreds can prevent peace, the dialogue, the acting, it's all there. The allegory of the end of the Soviet Union beautifully parallels the end of the TOS era of movies. It's a masterful finale and passing of the torch.

Your ranking matches the one I’ve had all my years of Star Trek.

13:40 That is an interesting idea. Before he was killed Kennedy was in highly secret talks about a joint moon mission with the Soviets. Instead Johnson took over and any hope of a joint mission died with Kennedy. Itis my feeling that we went to the moon for the wrong reasons. We went as part of a competition and because it was a race, once we won we shut down the program, deleting any mission past the 7th moon landing attempt (Because 13 was a moon landing attempt that did not succeed). I wonder if this loss of ambition would have happened if we had gone to the moon with the Soviets. We would likely have massive moon bases by now. The Kennedy assassination had a major effect on history.

..voyage home is indeed my fave too., right on!

II, IV, VI are all right answers. I is it’s own thing, III has two of the best musical flourishes in the whole series, and V…must have been the marsh melons.

I loved the Wrath of Khan and I like the idea of Vger in the Motion Picture.

Very interesting video, and I agree with your analysis and generally, your ranking, although for me Wrath of Khan and Voyage home can swap spots at times, depending on if more disposed towards the comedic or more towards the dramatic. It's hard to beat the gut-punch of Spock's death for drama and, at the time, the Kobayashi Maru scene at the start was the perfect fake-out to make you think the rumors of Spock's death referred to that scene and leaving you vulnerable to the full impact when it actually DID happen. Thank God there was no social media or online games with asshats who like spoiling major movie twists on public channels at the time. I remember an interview with one of the supporting cast (Koenig?) saying that Shatner as Kirk in Wrath of Khan was an Oscar-worthy performance and it definitely is Shatner's most impressive turn as Kirk, hands down. The fact that neither Bennett nor Meyer had seen any of Star Trek TOS before they started working on Wrath of Khan is a testament to what a good filmmaker can do with an existing franchise if they actually do the research to get it right. I also completely agree that, as bad as Star Trek V is, it still has at least a redeeming scene or three, and that's more than can be said for Nemesis, which is just unrelentingly awful. I honestly can't say where I'd slot in Insurrection because it was so forgettable, I struggle to remember a single thing about it besides the one scene where the holographic rock formation malfunctions, exposing the Federation researchers. Beyond that, it's just a total blank.

My favourite movie is TMP. I especially love it from an optics and design standpoint. To me it belongs in the same category as 2001 A Space Odyssey and Solaris.

I agree that the TOS movies are the best even though im a Gen Z, also my dad was a Star Trek fan which makes me 2nd gen fan. Star Trek 3 would have to be my favorite TOS film because when I saw it, it was the first ever Trek movie I had watched. Seeing the crew stealing the Enterprise with the Excelsior following has left a soft spot as well as James Horner's wonderful score for the 2 films.

My favorite TOS film is The Undiscovered Country, but Wrath of Khan is a close second, and The Voyage Home nipping Khan's heels. The Search for Spock is next, then The Motion Picture. And although I DID like The Final Frontier, it would have made a better two part episode instead of a major motion picture. There HAD to be better ideas out there than finding "god" who turns out to be an alien. But I'd STILL take it over ANY of the Jar Jar Abrams movies. If we include The Next Generation movies, The Undiscovered Country is still my #1, but First Contact is my #2. The other 3 TNG movies can all fight it out with The Final Frontier for the worst. Someone down below in the comments already said this, but the TOS movies and show were great because they had HEART! Not just because it was a ground breaking sci-fi TV show and movies, but the characters had such affection and respect for each other, you couldn't help but love each one. That's also why The Final Frontier is better than it probably is, because of the friendship scenes with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, and how they realize that THEY are each other's family in the end.

20:39 Khan accessed the computer on board the Enterprise and would have seen Chekov's face in the personnel records.

ST5 is wonderful! It has some of the best character moments of the franchise, and is unpredictable and charming. And the NCC 1701 A is the GOAT. You don't need super expensive special effects to make a Star Trek

The '70s, '80s, and '90s sci-fi movies, TV shows, and set design, look more real, lived-in, and realistic than before or after.

I love 2 and 6 equally and think they are the best and 4 is my close second favorite; it is indeed a very fun film.