I was in my mid-30's when Enterprise's "In a Mirror Darkly" aired. Mirror Hoshi made me feel like I was going through puberty again. 🙂🙂🙂

@ThommyofThenn

7 ай бұрын

Yeah mirror hoshi is peak hoshi. Besides maybe when she's on the reptilian ship and resisting torture like a badass

@Bob6800a

7 ай бұрын

@@ThommyofThenn Yeah, I really wish they would have done more with her character.

@GoldenPhil

7 ай бұрын

I am just going to say it. Mirror Hoshi was hot. We all went thru puberty again. When she called herself Empress, I was done. LOL

@ThommyofThenn

7 ай бұрын

@@GoldenPhil since we're clearing the air here, I have mentally visualsed her technique of rising to power

@ThommyofThenn

7 ай бұрын

@@Bob6800a both her and Mayweather. I can accept Travis being exactly what he is, but Hoshi deserved at least three more Hoshi-episodes. Heck, even Harry Kim got his fair share of "Kim episodes" maybe even including the peak Voyager episode "Timeless"

I think they could do a whole series talking about the Mirror Universe and I don't think I would get tired of watching it. There is so much rich materials they can explore with it.

@robertw31968

7 ай бұрын

I agree. The Mirror Universe is always my favorite in the Star Trek universe.

In every revolution, there's one man with a vision.. Still gives me chills every time I see Shatner deliver that line with total conviction, under complete emotional control. For those who say Shatner is too much of a ham actor.

@skywise001

7 ай бұрын

Im rewatching the TOS show on Bunny Tails Reacts channel - its great when she acknowledges his range and abilities. Its her first time watching, in honor of her passed Father, super cool time.

@deadend1041

7 ай бұрын

Over the top was the only way to play Captain Kirk. If you think about it he's coming into the role and the captain is supposed to be a 33 year old legend in his own time. Other than the way he played it I don't know how you could make that work.

@Chuck_Hooks

7 ай бұрын

​@@deadend1041Well said.

One of the ironies of the original "Mirror, Mirror" is that it's the only episode of TOS that showed other Vulcan crewmembers aboard the Enterprise, even though the name and the later canon from Discovery and Enterprise indicated that it was a very species-supremacist organization. Also, the TNG book "Dark Mirror" had a fascinating line where Prime Picard intentionally does not open the Bible, for fear of what he might have seen in it.

@bigguy7353

4 ай бұрын

Just curious, how does "Enterprise" intrinsically indicate species-supremacist? What by it's very utterance and nature says "They clearly think thier species is superior." ?

@bjorn00000

4 ай бұрын

@@bigguy7353 Naming your empire the "Terran Empire" is a good clue. Also bringing T'Pol into your ready room to show off the weapon that killed Vulcans during First Contact was pretty brutal. The attempt to destroy the Defiant was led completely by non-humans. Vulcans were a favored servitor race (and were probably closer to Romulans in the mirror universe), and a half-human Spock did rise to become commander-in-chief eventually. (This did suggest that Georgiou was the last emperor and left no heirs.)

@obsidian4844

3 ай бұрын

Wow holy shit yeah if the normal bible is this fucked, I dread to see what the Bible of the mirror universe is. Jesus razed Jerusalem to the ground or something fucked like that.

In my head canon. The original Enterprise (No bloody A,B,C,D,E,F, and G) was never destroyed and is still mostly intact in the mirror universe. As the events of Star Trek 2 & 3 never happened in the Terran Empire. What I imagine is, As Terran Starfleet upgraded the fleet in the 2270s. The original Enterprise was simply decommissioned and it's crew transferred to the newer Constitution Class II Enterprise - A. The old Enterprise would have been simply towed to a scrapyard/ship graveyard in some out of the way star system and quickly forgotten. Destined to drift for all eternity. As the Terrans were more spartan and utilitarian and not as sentimental as Prime Starfleet. They wouldn't have wasted resources completely refitting ships when building newer ones from the ground up would be faster and more cost effective.

The holy Roman Empire was holy (crowned by the pope), it was roman (went all the way down to Italy) and it was an emprie (several Kingdoms within it). What Voltaire did not know, is that it is wrong to be French!

I love the mirror universe there should be a show just on the mirror universe

@winterburden

7 ай бұрын

Discovery was set in the mirror universe

@mattbuchanan4330

7 ай бұрын

This is a great idea. The whole idea of a revolt against the malevolent Terran Empire is fascinating.

@philly83

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. We need a full mirror universe series

@24karate

7 ай бұрын

@@winterburden not all of it.. the mirror universe is dying in discovery I like to know what happened

@24karate

7 ай бұрын

@@mattbuchanan4330 that would be so dupe ..

On a Tuesday in the 37th Century BC, in our universe a leaf fell from an acacia tree into a pond, in the Mirror Universe a leaf fell from that same acacia tree onto the dirt that is the Divergence point

Tyler, your theory of the origin of the Terran Empire has merit. I'm a proud patriot and a veteran... and I, too, acknowledge that the US is an empire of sorts... illiberal and exploitive only for the benefit of an elite few... and I'm not fond of this reality. It can be debated on when it began in the mirror universe, but I'd posit we've been creeping in that direction since WWII only to accelerate after 9/11. If we don't make a serious course correction this century, we will have a globalist, authoritarian technocratic [NWO] Empire that will not resemble anything "American" or liberal democratic in character. For the Republic to survive, the Empire MUST die. Excellent video! 😁

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Thank you Vorratus!

I don't know if you've watch the fan series Farragut. The have a episode where they visit a planet and are beaming down when one of the planet's scientists are watching history through some kind of computer. The Farragut's landing party ends up during the Revolution war. They think its from their history, but it actually ends up being the Mirror Universe, and tells General Washington how beat the British. When they finally leave you see General Washington stick a knife through the top of a apple. They say that General Washington is the first leader of the Empire. Its a good episode.

@dbingamon

4 ай бұрын

I saw that and was thinking of it while watching this video.

When time travel gets involved everything becomes a lot and I mean A LOT more complicated but hey at least most of the time it’s pretty entertaining. *grabs popcorn*

Yes . I think the original ST and Enterprise looked at it as a possible "Dark" side of our humanity. A stable Government is needed to foster progress. Its hard to imagine that constant intrigue would build a stable government.

We're living in the mirror universe.

@Jesse.Crenshaw

7 ай бұрын

The older I get the more I feel like this is the truth!

We learned, in Picard season 2, that Renée Picard not participating in the Europa Mission in 2024 lead to the Confederation of Earth (a very similar xenophobic empire). so its quite likely that you are correct in thinking the change that lead to the establishment of the Terran empire was a lot more contemporary, it's even possible that the Confederation evolves into the Empire

I remember my friend in school being such a fan of Doctor Who and never watched any Star Trek. He saw the first episode of TNG and Q and became a HUGE treky. He became obsessed with the mirrorverse and the Q. I was more a mirrorverse Borg guy but also loved the Q.

@bigguy7353

4 ай бұрын

*trekkie

I remember Go-bots had a mirror or parallel universe that was not realistic, because they had to plug in a plug to turn something off or vice versa.

@reboxtherapy

7 ай бұрын

@@subraxas I never thought I'd remember something over 42 years ago

Thanks for a great mirror universe compilation! The Mirror Universe if my favorite thing about Star Trek, and I hope they explore more of it in the future.

“Two hundred and fifty years, two hundred and fifty years. When was the United States founded?” LMAO. Yeah, that is a harsh realization. One thing I would like to see is an episode wherein we see how the Mirror Universe deals with their parallel universes popping into theirs. The Prime Universe handles it all in the usual way, friendly and helpful. I wonder how the Empire would deal with an incursion.

@craig.a.glesner

7 ай бұрын

I think people forget that technically the Augments did win the Eugenics War, the result was a revolution against the rule of the Augments that drives them to space in the BOTANY BAY. 😊

@craig.a.glesner

7 ай бұрын

Nope, yeah I totes agree with your concept considering what I know of our history as a nation.

Always happy for mirror universe content. Even if it's rewatching previous videos

In a certain DSC episode where the ship strands on a planet, the Terran recklessness turns out to be a useful trait.

The mycelial network meme returns.

Thank you for this experience, Well Done.

Always a brilliant episode. "Misconception" segment was the best part. Thank You!!

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Thank you as well!

The Edith Keeler has merit...let's use TV Logic and assume Mirror Kirk travelled back in time too. He would meet and fall for his own Edith. Then a Mirror Kirk would solve the problem just SLIGHTLY differently. Perhaps his resolution has him taking steps to restore his own timeline.... By the same TV Logic, a Mirror Q and Mirror Picard would have the Anti-Time Anomaly in the Devron System resolved so their timeline is restored....

How's this for an explanation of their behaviour in the Mirror Universe: At the time of the Bronze Age Collapse, a mutated form of meningitis spread and became endemic. It seemed to be no more than a mild illness, but its long-term effect on the sufferer was to give them a degree of permanent discomfort and over-sensitivity to bright light. Considering all that was going on at the time, it wouldn't have seemed surprising that if people started being irritable and impatient, but when most of the population is cranky, impulsive, and short-tempered...

Really nice lighting in this video. Nicely done. It feels like you're standing on Vulcan or something

M-theory combines and unifies all of the string theories, and posits that the strings are actually slices of 2-dimensional membranes seen from different perspectives. All the math combines and works in that regard. M-theory is not complete yet, but it had Stephen Hawking's full support, and he spent his final days working on it. The "brane" thing you talk about is actually from M-theory.

When it comes to the America theory, you could go back further, the empire starts in the 20th century but maybe the branching point was earlier, as America had an idea of manifest destiny like European empires of the time but failed to take over Mexico and Canada. What if that was different in the mirror universe and America become a colonial power and empire, allowing for such ideas to continue up to the 20th century, maybe coming out as the strongest empire after the world wars, the terran empire was formed, maybe to counter the USSR, using the cold War paranoia to keep control. Also with it incorporating many European countries and empires it gains roman iconography.

I would've loved to have seen a Mirror Star Trek TNG Universe ,imagine Picard and Co as bad

I like your gentleman's dresser/wardrobe.

Very interesting point of view. Greatly enjoyed your perspective as always.

Star Trek Enterprise, Mirror Universe, was the best of their episodes.

9:02 I was over here listening to Star Trek history, and then thought the video changed to my PBS SpaceTime playlist. Well done Sir with your explanations. 👏 👏

In the Mirror Universe, Mormon Missionaries aren't going to be willing to help you move house. Fortunately, in the real universe, that isn't true.

Hey, where's the Good Mirror Universe version of the Android Lore like I was promised??? LOL

The Upload made my day :)

Mid twentieth century America as the origin of the Terran Empire has a couple problems. The symbol for the Terran Empire of a sword behind a map of the Earth would be different if Americanized. The map would be of the Mercator, or America centered image if we ruled the world. The Terran Empire icon has a sort of Europe centered image. Also, Terra, a Latin word for the Earth, is too high brow for an empire of cowboys. It might be that Hitler does not embrace the Blitzkrieg. When Nazi Germany and the USSR invade Poland, the French and British Empires declare war on both...and defeat them. These two Empires unite and form a common language based on Latin with a strong romanticism of the Roman Empire. Hail Britannia! ;)

Nicely done.

It's pretty crazy that you showed Smedley Butler in your slideshow since my personal pet theory for the Mirror Universe's divergence point is the premature death of General Butler himself.

Requests for a future video (if you want to make them of course). A video specifically of the Mirror Universe in other media (the Borg Kingdom, Mirror Janeway etc) and a video on the Confederation of Earth would be awesome.

Can't get enough of your channel ❤ THANK YOU 😊

@OrangeRiver

2 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I realize hating on Star Trek Discovery has become a bit of a dead horse, but I absolutely hate Discovery for how they handled the mirror universe. The fun of the MU is seeing the characters we've gotten to know and love become evil twin versions of themselves. The Discovery Season 3 mirror episode was kinda fun (watching evil Burnham was probably the most entertaining that show has ever been), but completely dropping/overlooking Empress Sato was such a disservice. The cannibalism was just a big yuck. And given this is current year they dropped all the sexy outfits! Both men and women got to show some skin in the MU and they dropped it because we can have a naked Klingon lady and a severed baby head but not sexy Starfleet outfits?

@julius-stark

7 ай бұрын

@@nekiyia The Enterprise Mirror Universe episodes are probably favorite, followed by most of the DS9 mirror episodes, if only for Mirror Kira.

I still think that whole universe is just a Q soap opera. The people there are just too ridiculous. Q: "What the the earthlings were hornier, greedier and wore a lot of eye shadow?"

10:36 looks a lot like a flux capacitor…

I don't think the Mirror Universe is a parallel universe, since too many incidents would be changed or disrupted by previous alternante events. I think the Mirror Universe is just that, a facsimile or warped mirror of what happens in the prime universe. That way, the same people can exist and similar locations and items can exist. They are warped reflections of the prime universe.

@corvusimbrifer6525

7 ай бұрын

That view resolves quite a number of complications. And, as pointed out by @albernard8751 above, time travel means divergences can be retroactive, not linear.

Go mycelial network gang, woooo!!

I repeat again that the Mirror Universe comes across as a literal parallel universe _NOT_ a divergent one with a POD.

Another AWESOME video. thank you Tyler

@OrangeRiver

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Joe!

@JoeCounty

5 ай бұрын

you're welcome@@OrangeRiver

Watched Mirror Mirror last night.

37:10f The word "empire" in English has two meanings: ▪︎A state reigned by a monarch who is referred to as "emperor". ▪︎A state unified by conquest, resulting in the conquering state to be dominant over the others. In German, we refer to the first one as "Kaiserreich" or "Kaisertum" (the latter mainly refers to the institution of an emperor (Kaiser) at the top), the latter is referred to as "Reich" or "Imperium". If we say "das Empire", we mostly are referring to the British one.

Dig the "mirror" look and the vaguely ominous lighting

I appreciate your interesting set. You are in the present while being in the past?

Seeing how humans are, I'm of the opinion that the 'main universe' is a mirror of the 'mirror universe'.

I just noticed my fascination with the mirror universe is the same as my fascination for the sith in star wars. I just want to consume everything with trek's mirror universe & star wars's sith

Mirror mirror, in the universe. Do Dax's spots go all the way down? Even in the Mirror Universe? 🤔

Have we considered the possibility that both universes are very closely tied to the personalities of the individuals involved? In other words, the timeline must be at least partially parallel, because the existence of one individual is tied to the reality of the counterpart. In this sense, the mirror universe is actually a differing ethical reflection of the prime universe. Hence the attribution of the different quality of light in some accounts.

20:00 If Abrahamic religions played no role in the mirror universe, why is Archer's first name still Jonathan and Kirks first name still James, short for Jacob? The counterparts _can_ have different first names, like prime Forrest's first name is Maxwell and mirror Forrest's is Maximilian.

33:00 It's so funny that, world-wide, the US is recognized as an imperialistic regime (at least when in comes to its foreign policy), except in the US. Why would the truth be controversial?

@SilortheBlade

7 ай бұрын

If you see videos of average americans you would understand that they have been fed so much propaganda through their lives that they don't understand how to find the "truth" (I prefer the term facts).

@Delpix722

Ай бұрын

Might have something to do with the issue of countries OUTSIDE USA dragging it into their conflicts (WW1 & especially WW2). & then 9/11 happened. You people kept on poking the sleeping giant & thought nothing bad would happen. Congratulations, you messed around with the sleeping giant. Now you get to deal with the consequences. Naturally, my line of reason only has good justification from UK to Russia. I am not nearly well-informed enough about Africa to know the impact USA may have had on that continent.

Also, I'm going to start referring to the moment when mushrooms hit as a "Black Alert"...

In my universe, the episode was called Magic Mirror

Mycelial network!!!! Hahaha... 😄😄😄🙂

rome was a monacky then changed to a republic, then to a empire when ceacer became emperor

Ever notice that that Trek series involve either Q or the mirror universe? Voyager & Next Generation feature Q episodes while Enterprise, TOS, Disco, and DS9 feature mirror universe episodes. Of course DS9 has both Q*and* mirror universe episodes 😮. I wonder what *that* means…

Many worlds not many universes. One universal wave function for the entire collection of worlds. And the number of words is huge, but not infinite.

i suspect there are several different mirror universes that are all slightly different, i think the discovery mirror unuverse us not necessarily the same as the enterprise or the orignal series. i also think the enterprise mirror unuvrese maybe a separate divergence to orignal and then the ds9 version is also slightly different.

If the Terran Empire is an outgrowth of some kind of change in American behavior, it seems more logical that it would have happened in the 1940s. Consider: FDR dies in 1944, not 1945. Henry Wallace becomes President. In reality, his office is now solidly known in as having been thoroughly infiltrated by Soviet operatives. Thus, a Wallace Administration would have created a much more Socialist-friendly US, along with a very Socialist-oriented UK (which was in fact the case after Churchill) after defeating the capitalist/fascist Nazis and 19th-century-style-imperialist Japanese Empire. No Cold War as the US, UK and USSR simply split up the globe to impose parallel Socialist hegemonies. No UN, but rather an ad hoc Co-Dominion which sees a Third World War within 15-20 years (since Socialist regimes don't share well) that had no winner, but rather resulting in a single totalitarian state being assembled from the ashes, using old Roman iconography to "legitimize" its right to rule. As with all things Star Trek, it's just imagination, but that's the fun part.

Very interesting hypothesis.

Don't like Nu Trek Would like a Entire Prime Universe Mirror Terran Empire series...

I wonder if there is a mirror universe of the Kelvin timeline

Dammit Mirror Tyler is HOT 🔥😏 🖖🏻😎

See also Truman Doctrine, Grand Area Strategy where post WWII strategy was outlined as control of natural resource areas across the globe, and then also couple with post-WWII US backing of governments in Greece and elsewhere with a fascist leaning (see the film 'Z' for Greece, Greece only one example of US backed regimes)

Aw, 250 years... let's not go there (we need to get past 2024). ;-)

@SilortheBlade

7 ай бұрын

8 years ago I would have laughed at the thought. Today I don't think it at all likely, but it's no longer a 0% chance in my mind.

A great video would be on the alternate timeline in Picard season 2

Tyler's Snyder Cut

Man, I think this one of the first videos of yours I saw. Now I am wondering if I saw it when it first came out or later. 2021 wasn't that long ago and I've been a sub for a while lol idk.. I'm really stoned and this was a wonderful rewatch. Thank you. MYCELIAL NETWORK!!!! WOOOOOHOOOO!

Not directly related to the Star Trek Canon, back in the 90s, Steve Jackson Games developed 2 sourcebooks for their GURPS 3rd edition tabletop role-playing game system; Alternate Earth's and Alternate Earth's 2. Each section of the books detailed a specific split in a historical event, which led to some interesting societal and technological divergences. Might be worth a look for you.

Every observation that can be made must be made in an infinite universe.

I would have liked a "Mirror Mirror" series, NOT because of all attractive women in midriff-baring outfits, but because there was SO MUCH to offer as a series. As in, the EMPIRE fighting within itself for possession and use of the more advanced Federation Starship. Think Game Of Thrones in space.

@davej9228

6 ай бұрын

Agreed, but I still want midriff

@zaphodthenth

6 ай бұрын

@@davej9228 midriff-baring outfits are commonplace to begin with... And are in multiple shows and movies. Always has been, and always will be.

Long Live the Terran Empire!

I like Shatner's book - Cocron flipped a coin to decide to tell or not tell about the Borg threat.

Let him cook!

The only reason I watched Discovery was because I heard they were doing several EP in the mirror universe.

What if the normal timeline is the divergent and the mirror universe is the real universe that comes from our regular shared history....whoaaaaaa!!!!(mind blowing)

MYCELIAL NETWORK!!!

TFW your mirror universe counterpart has the same Tennessee accent.

@OrangeRiver

7 ай бұрын

Lmfao

how about you look into lore of a star trek mirror universe version of the wonder pets!?

Would a Mirror Universe Tyler not have a beard or goatee then

Hahahaha Drift is Drift you can't get away from that no matter hard you try.

why is Vic not a hologram in the mirror universe?! :D

Wow. Good thing I'm retired .. I have time to think about this ... and likely mis-understand it. I like the idea that the Mirror Universe is whatever makes a good story. It didn't hurt my feelings that all ST Brand Participants ( I'm sure there is a word for this but I can't muster it at the moment . ) had good looking babes who embraced their roles in each episode ... a continuity that has survived a number of ST... ( well, lets just say mistakes ) I don't want to over think the String Theory here... It works for me.. so there could be a female Capt Kirk. Woha ! Could there be a Movie here.... after all, it wouldn't bother any other ST movie's Timeline. .. Aaa .. well , I think . Complicated but enlightening . Thank you .... I will never insult Phase Diagrams again.

33:10f _A brutal, xenophobic, faschistic..._ Not as xenophobic as the Nazi regime, obviously. Otherwise, mirror Mayweather would probably have been a kind of slave rather than an officer, and so were all non- Terrans like Vulcans and Andorians, as well as Denebolans like mirror Phlox.

Lol. You know Schrodinger was trolling right.

I have one big question, why do they call it a mirror universe? If it's a mirror universe of the prime universe, that means it should be the same as the prime universe because mirrors reflect exactly back what's put in front of them as they reflect light and show an image of what's in front of them. By that should it be called a alternative universe and not a mirror universe because its not exactly like the prime universe.

I think that the Mirror universe isn't as simple as the good guys are evil in this other universe.

mycelial network *****cuts to mycelial network*****

Did a universe with life just happen on the first try at making a universe or did it take multiple times before this universe was created

YYEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Lost look at the Nazis to see how taking other's symbols for yourself can be twisted. Im sure in Terran schoolbooks they claim to be the continuation of the Enternal Empire. I like the idea that the Borg attacking Earth werent all cleaned up. Their tech was found causing the Kelven timeline to start. Teaching them weird things like too big ships and building in atmosphere. It explains basicly the why of about everything and ties the Kelvin to the prime timeline nicely IMO. I have a theory that the dark mirror timelines are all different universes. It just synched up with ours close enough for the show before spinning away again. I never got to finish it - I was writing a mission for Star Trek online where you team up with TOS Terrans to preserve the timeline from the DS9 and STO Terran Empires teaming up. When you see the terran Captain walk into the briefing if you act surprised he rolls his eyes and says "They want to rewrite my timeline too." If talked to in a Terran sort of friendly way he reveals he is a temporal agent in the temporal cold war - in the big fight at the end he shows up in the Terran temporal science ship :) I do really like your US Empire idea. It could of all started with not giving as much land back in WW2 / deciding to muck the nations up more than we did. Did you ever hear the story about how we tried to invade the Soviet Union at the end of World War 2? Luckily the whole idea got lost in the confusion and after some shenanagens they went home.

Tyler, ".....political in the comments, so keep it civil." 10 seconds later: "F*** You! NOO, F*** You! Oh yeah? Well,*********, and ****, your **** and ****, *****, the ***** ******! You got that?" ...😂😂

I don’t think the point of departure is too far back bye...at some point within forty fifty years forward or back right of now humanity takes a hard right turn