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@haruhisuzumiya6650

2 жыл бұрын

Collab with philosophy tube when? And hbomberguy

@iansinclair8905

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the culprit here is so called " social media ". KZread itself is not free. You and I may be uninfluenced by the various " get wealth without working " schemes promoted on on the " B Sides " of these videos, but they work well enough, over all to promote a particularly, in my opinion, selfish and anti-social form of capitalism Just as street markets can be thought of as a socially inclusive and useful form of competitive, market economics. More street markets, street theatre, and dancing in the streets, would serve to solve many of our loneliness based differences.

@mikelofky587

2 жыл бұрын

I stand with JK Rowling

@fitfinlay999

2 жыл бұрын

Waste of time , you block anyone who doesn’t agree with you , enjoy your echo chamber.

@michaelwynn8019

Жыл бұрын

What's your area of expertise Owen? I've never been sure.

One of the most heartening things in all as a trans person has been seeing the wave of support for trans people from cis allies in the face of Rowling’s bigotry. It doesn’t undo the harm she causes wielding her immense platform in such a deeply harmful way, but it gives me hope and proves what I’ve always known; that most people wish to be kind and caring towards others, regardless of identity or how some truly to divide us. Thanks Owen for being a true ally constantly.

@haruhisuzumiya6650

2 жыл бұрын

Terf island and JK Rowling being a model Terf I find this discourse is unsettling

@justhannah3960

2 жыл бұрын

@@haruhisuzumiya6650 Why? Transphobia is a huge problem here and it's getting bigger all the time, fuelled largely by people like JKR. If you're one of those people more offended by the terminology used to describe the problem than by the problem itself, that's on you.

@DropdudeJohn

2 жыл бұрын

What's a cis,

@ralphparlour7972

2 жыл бұрын

@@justhannah3960 if anything, I think the term terf is a euphemism that is too kind to people who, like Rowling, are just bigots. Its just like racists calling themselves race realists.

@cazhatten3341

2 жыл бұрын

@@DropdudeJohn cis is latin. cis means this side of, trans means the other side of. so a cis person is omeone who isnt trans. the apollo moon program used this terminology, the landings were cis lunar, and the far side of the moon was referred to as trans lunar. trans people/allies tend not to use the term in real life, but online when we have to explain demographics those terms are used.

What exacetly has JK Rowling said that was so bad?

@amandamcgovern5744

2 ай бұрын

They can’t answer… they’re mindless sheep.

Owen Jones proves that homosexuals can also be mysogynistic

@leezowers3964

2 жыл бұрын

The truth terf. Get a t-shirt

@tonymurphy2624

2 жыл бұрын

Except that transphobia is inherently misogynistic, because it's the promulgation of traditional gender roles as determined by the patriarchy. It's perfectly obvious that your moniker is entirely ironic.

@tonymurphy2624

2 жыл бұрын

@@keyboarddancers7751 Then you'll easily be able to explain why anti-trans groups like the LGB Alliance are leaping into bed with misogynistic and homophobic conservative organisations like the Heritage Foundation, won't you? You honestly couldn't be more clueless if you were talking quantum mechanics.

@samcad-ho3ze

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonymurphy2624 absolutely. It’s pure misogyny and Owen can’t admit it to himself because it’s so ingrained.

@amandamcgovern5744

2 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@tonymurphy2624Tony… the lack of self awareness in your comment it actually mind boggling. And demonstrates that you haven’t thought about any of this for even a millisecond. Gender identity ideology.. so to speak.. to the point that’s it’s at all coherent… is completely reliant upon sex stereotypes and societal norms and expectations around sex. The ideas that men must be stereotypically masculine and women must be stereotypically feminine are the tent poles on which the idea of gender identity is based. It confines ppl TO boxes more than the Matt Walshs of the world could ever DREAM of doing… Really- try thinking about it for just a second. Can you even define gender? Frankly I’d be absolutely shocked if you have any kind of coherent conceptualization of gender at all…😂

I as a trans woman do not find anything that JK said offensive at all. She spoke facts

@herefordguy

2 жыл бұрын

And because of what you said Owen Jones will claim you are a transphobe and do not represent trans people because you disagree with his view on the subject

@sophiepooks2174

Жыл бұрын

Sure dude, easy to make up any lie in anonymity, no real trans woman would write the way you have, obviously you are a cis-man pretending to be trans for clout.

@Aarenby

8 ай бұрын

There is a man called Dean browning

This video is entitled "Why JK Rowling Won't Divide LGBTQ People" yet Owen Jones doesn't refer to a single specific thing that Rowling has actually said.

@herefordguy

2 жыл бұрын

That’s because she hasn’t said anything this is actually transphobic. The only crime she has committed is not agreeing with Owen Jones

@deaninchina01

2 жыл бұрын

Because it’s what they wished she said rather than what she has said.

@Lolp821

Жыл бұрын

Because it's just another silly youtube video with no importance to anything in the real world.

@michaeladkins6

Жыл бұрын

@@Lolp821The real straight cis world?

No, she won't need to. The T are doing that single handedly.

@racheladkins6060

Ай бұрын

We’re persecuted and murdered by people like you.

Rowling was not "presenting herself as a champion of gay, lesbian & bi-people". She was presenting herself as a champion of "women". If I want to dress like an 18th century French monarch, and call myself Napoleon, I'd expect people to call me Napoleon out of common decency. For me to expect that I am treated like some long lost French emporer is a bit much. The issue is rooted in compelled belief, "you must believe we are identical to women else you are a bigot." It's a nonsense.

The left become ever more the a naval gazing parody every day. Thanks Owen.

@ExpendableRedshirt

2 жыл бұрын

The rightwing spends massively more time, energy, column inches, and online posts, obsessing over Trans rights, wider LGBTQ+ rights, and so-called "Woke issues" than any activists could ever hope to.

Recently I've started to use a easy to spread version of lurpack... I'm finding it so much less frustrating when I take it out the fridge.

Jk Rowling is prolific on REALITY

J.k should sue people for defamation of character.

JKR talks about fear, I too talk about fear. I'm a post op trans woman who doesn't blend (I hate the term pass so use blend/blending). Years of facing violent hate crimes has left me with agoraphobia & CPTSD. Late 2020 (Octoberish)I was assaulted by a group of 5 or 6 men not far from my home, my right shoulder got badly injured. Then a few days before Xmas I was assaulted again by some men out on the lash which made my shoulder worse still. Either Feb or March 2021 I got assaulted again which once again made my shoulder worse. That's a snapshot of just 6 months. I've had people spit in my face & verbally abuse me, several years ago I had to have 3 teeth repaired after they got in the way of a mans boot after him & his friends knocked me to the floor then kerb stomped my head. It's now March 2022, I still cannot sleep on my left side without my right shoulder quickly becoming painful. I play guitar & thanks to repeated injuries to my shoulder I can no longer play my acoustic guitar, the thickness of the body puts my arm in a position that triggers pain. Fortunately I own a very slim electric guitar so can still play but my acoustic guitar is now an expensive ornament. For 5 years now I only leave my flat for a few things, one is to top up gas or electric, the other is to pick up prescriptions or attend medical appointments. One of my medications ran out over a week ago, several times I've been ready to leave my flat to get my meds & have been unable to get past my own front door. Trying to make myself go outside triggers panic attacks, I get tunnel vision, dizzy & sometimes throw up. I came out 12yrs ago, for the first 6 years or so I noticed how assaults & abuse was gradually happening less. Then after the women & equalities committee announced in 2015 that the GRA needed reform the anti trans rhetoric took off here. Anti trans groups sprang up over the next couple of years & they frequently get platformed in this nations media. This has fuelled a massive increase in anti trans hate crimes. Several years ago I watched a livestream of an anti trans meeting at the Jamjar in Bristol (I think it was WPUK), what was said on stage that night would have resulted in arrests for hate speech if any other minority was targeted. The speakers kept accusing trans women of being a threat to women & children, one speakers entire speech was used to say that "every trans woman should be considered a terrorist". I ask you, how can I be a terrorist when I'm too afraid to leave my home?

@carolinelarkin4614

2 жыл бұрын

I am so very saddened to read all that has been happening to you and really hope that things improve for you. I am part of a very kind Facebook group called "Walk the Mind" and we are a large number of people from all walks of life who have collectively experienced a lot of pain, either in the past or currently. I would recommend joining. Feel free to use my name Missy Prime. Big Love x

@GeorgeGeorgeOnly

2 жыл бұрын

I worry about this too. I'm not even gay or trans but I believe that a society's quality of civility is measured by acceptance and tolerance. But what we're seeing now is a clamping down on hate speech which is very selective about what it calls 'hate speech'. It seems that the term "Hate Speech" is determinable, or interpreted, by who's side you're on, and at the moment it seems that if you're not on the 'right side' then so far as they're concerned you're on the wrong side. It appears that racists, homophobes, and fascists are a sensitive lot.

@missyprime8198

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeorgeGeorgeOnly I'm not seeing a clamping down on hate speech. I reported countless physical assaults clearly motivated by transphobia. No one has ever been charged for assault or a hate crime. Here's one example, several years ago a group of men walked past me & one spat in my face & started shouting abuse. I took my phone out & started dialling the police, whilst I was distracted one got behind & took a run up to punch me in the back of my head. By this time the police had answered, my phone slid under a car & they all tried to get my phone to end the call. Had I not had my phone out they would have given me their full attention. I got to my phone first by pure luck. I told the police my attackers were there & the police could hear the abuse & threats. It took 15 min for the police to arrive as the car they sent was a community car without lights or a siren so it got stuck in traffic. The police arrived but my attackers had had plenty of time to scarper, they took a statement & took me home. A week later they phoned to say they hadn't found any cctv, they then asked me that if I saw this group of men could I take a photo to send to the police. That would have placed me at risk of serious harm! In 2020 during lockdown a neighbour stood at my gate shouting abuse & making threats. I had 3 witnesses, the name & address of this man was known, he has a history of violence. The CPS said I didn't have enough evidence & dropped the case, the man got off scott free. We may have the EA2010 & laws about hate crimes but in my experience the police do bugger all to enforce those laws if you're trans

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

@@theohopkins1903 It would be easier to take that suggestion seriously if TERFs were also campaigning for the exclusion of infertile cis women from women's spaces.

@missyprime8198

2 жыл бұрын

@@theohopkins1903 oh hi Theo, I recognise your name from the comments section of Pink News over on FB. Your name often appears spouting anti trans bs on any trans related news article. You're well known as a troll so I'm not gonna waste my time with you

Gay men & lesbians did not ask everyone else to redefine themselves, unlike the gender movement.

"transphobic hate crimes have gone up x4" It does seem that what is considered a "hate crime" covers a much broader range theses days.

@dimcgee1726

2 жыл бұрын

Stating "men are not women" is now considered a "hate crime". The bar is incredibly low!

@michaeladkins6

Жыл бұрын

Thats the very definition of a hate crime.

Owen uses the LGBTQ term as a homogenous group, which responds as one, which just isn't the case. There are many same sex attracted gay men and lesbians who agree with JKR.

I'm glad you decided to go ahead and talk about this. Transphobia is cruel and should not be tolerated. As for co-parenting, the nuclear family is the global outlier. Worldwide, children are raised within the joint family, or by all the adults of their tribe, or have their upbringing shared between parents and grandparents. For a child to have more than one home or more than two parental figures is not unusual at all.

@GQ2593

2 жыл бұрын

That doesn't mean it's beneficial or preferable. Research has shown the nuclear family to be the most stable and safest environment to raise children. In most cultures it's also common to despise homosexuality, yet you wouldn't argue to adopt those values.

@salimyusufji5736

2 жыл бұрын

You're right, Haneke Fly, it doesn't necessarily mean traditional forms of family are better than the nuclear unit, not by reason of their wide prevalence alone. My point was that the heterosexual nuclear family is a fairly recent institution and we should not fanatically insist that other, still newer forms of family ought not to exist. Or that straight parents get a veto on what other kinds of family there are in the world.

@johnlewis9158

2 жыл бұрын

Your statement transphobia should not be tolerated is the ultimate in stupid as anyone living with a Phobia will tell you. That said the push back against the trans activists has nothing to do with transphobia everything do with most people live in the real world and are thus not science deniers.

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

@@GQ2593 "Research has shown." - Source: [Just trust me, bro.]

@MrRailjunkie

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnlewis9158 Yes a phobia is a genuine fear being anti trans people is just bigoted.

Owen: her name is pronounced Roe-Ling (rhymes with "bowling")

@GuzziHeroV50

2 жыл бұрын

Joanne also gets super mad when it is spoken incorrectly. If she wants to misgender trans folks, I'll mispronounce her name.

@zoozbuh

2 жыл бұрын

@@GuzziHeroV50 Damn straight! Respect is earned.

@bunsmasterbunny

2 жыл бұрын

@@GuzziHeroV50 You can’t misgender if you’re stating their sex.

What wrong with JK Rowling opinions?

@eliasE989

2 жыл бұрын

Watch Contrapoints' video on Rowling when you have time. In my opinion it sums up the problems well.

@dimcgee1726

2 жыл бұрын

Not a thing. Not a single bloody thing. But the TQ+++ people aren't fond of the truth! Anytime anyone has a view that's based on objective material reality they scream "TRANSPHOBIA!"

@bunsmasterbunny

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing.

Thanks for this. I think that what you were saying at the end about your friend being criticised for co-parenting by people who confused it with surrogacy and don’t know the details just summed up the problems with this whole discourse. There are far too many people who are prepared to abuse people they don’t know, in reaction to information they either don’t have or don’t understand. Let gay co-parents worry about co-parenting issues and let trans people worry about trans issues. If you don’t understand an issue then talk to the people involved with an open mind and don’t get your info from groups who are actively campaigning against the thing you don’t understand. It seems like common sense to me but people are quick to condemn from a position of total ignorance and it is infuriating.

@kazikek2674

2 жыл бұрын

Hetero-parental absolutists : " No! Children need a male and female role model!" Consensual gay&lesbian couples : "Fine." Absolutists : "NOT LIKE THAT!"

@smon4164

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's like people who throw abuse at transgender woman for potentially being sexual predators mascarading as woman in woman's spaces. And authors who write books about it to throw fuel on the fire on that myth. When really the real men who abuse woman are much more likely to go and join the police force than start wearing dresses and wearing lipstick and snooping around woman's toilets. It's complete fabrications by those who are uneducated in the realities of the people they are critisizing. And those people are made cannon fodder for these false theories.

@mayayamato7351

2 жыл бұрын

they either believe a) gay people are just unfit to parent, b) women have no agency or control, or c) both. which tracks because transphobes also love homophobia and misogyny.

When was this golden age when trans people and gay people were not subject to abuse? And what country would you leave Britain for in order to live lives where you were more fully accepted?

@josm1481

2 жыл бұрын

Don't go asking difficult questions. Owen prefers to occupy a realm of fantasy.

@oldusernamewasbadlol

2 жыл бұрын

It was not fashionable for liberal commentators to obsess about trans people 15 years ago and this meant there were certain news sources you could read and shows you could watch where you could be relatively assured that you weren't going to come across transphobic content. Not so much today. New Zealand accepted a UK citizen for asylum based on UK transphobia, but you could have googled that if you cared obvs.

@stephenphillips6888

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldusernamewasbadlol Well, I’ve googled it now and read the article in The Guardian so thank you for that. However, I remain unconvinced that Britain is a hotbed of trans-phobia compared to even the bastion of progressive thought that is New Zealand. Trans-sexuals were casually ridiculed 15 years ago without a second thought, a la Little Britain. This notion that there is some sort of epidemic going on I see as simply a ruse to silence any opposition to the more extreme demands made by trans activists.

@oldusernamewasbadlol

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenphillips6888 there are no extreme demands being made and its ridiculous to complain of being silenced when you have the entire media on your side. there's a clear demonstrable increase in press stories over the past 7 years, it's not people imagining things. If you want the right to speak your mind, you have to accept that comes with other people exercising their right to tell you that you're wrong and it's not oppression if people think your views are trash

@anonUK

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenphillips6888 Bab's Cabs in LoG...

Gross Misogynistic bully attacks a female domestic violence survivor. Your hatred and contempt for women who have dealt with male violence is showing

Why does Owen Jones assume that all LGBTQ people think the same and agree with him. I’m gay and I strongly support JK Rowling

@nopeforevery1

2 жыл бұрын

Me too.

I could easily have made this same video in 1987 on the rise in homophobia. Also worth pointing out that one of the fore-runners of Phyllis Schlafly in opposition to the ERA was none other than Eleanor Roosevelt, and she was far from isolated. The existence of such people doesn't remotely lend weight to the arguments, any more than Channel 4 did any work in undermining anti-racism by getting Calvin Robinson to argue opposite Billy Bragg - in a spectacular display of racism on Channel 4's part, not incidentally. You know as well as I do that the toolkit of the Bolsheviks (another unexpectedly Belgian intervention) refined by Goebbels and those who came after are the stock-in-trade of the vast majority of media nowadays. Everything is propagandised, polarised, packaged and performed for our delectation and delight and to the detriment of anything resembling critical thought. Sorry for the rant. It's been building.

@MrRailjunkie

2 жыл бұрын

Don't be sorry that's a fine rant & I am sick of hearing right wing commentators like Calvin Robinson deny the reality of social issues like racism too.

Solidarity!

So what has Jk Rowling said that makes you hate her ?

we should have an oppression olympics.

I’m not lgbt myself: I appreciate you being a respectful lgbt bro who with his actions let’s people know that lgbt are fellow brothers/sisters/humans etc… :)

I don't think she has done or said anything hateful, she is entitled to have an opinion on protections for women. The hysteria around this has been incredible to see

@tonymurphy2624

2 жыл бұрын

She's wrong about protections for women. The numbers don't lie, and there is no logic to her position. As for the hysteria, why are you defending hers? That's all she's expressing. There are no genuinely valid reasons for her position other than irrational fear not rooted in reality. We have a name for an irrational fear.

@dimcgee1726

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonymurphy2624 Oh dear. The numbers dont lie about the amount of trans identifying males being assaulted in male facilities either. Its almost non existent! And if and when it does happen, there is nothing stopping the victim from calling the police! The SEX based rights of women and girls are about safe guarding. To be clear, we dont exclude because they are trans, we exclude because they are MALE! The same way we exclude all males from women's SEX segregated spaces. Trans identifying males are not special! Still male, and display the exact same male pattern violence as any male! %40 of trans identifying male prisoners in the UK are sex offenders, as opposed to %19 of the general male prison population. In the USA, the figures are %50 as opposed to %11. There is a problem here! Its neither fair nor reasonable to expect women and girls to take on the risk. Women are not shields! Sort it out amongst yourselves!

@bunsmasterbunny

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonymurphy2624 You’re the one who is wrong. Not her.

@samcad-ho3ze

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonymurphy2624 I’m a woman. I was raped once and I don’t want people with XY chromosomes in my spaces. Why aren’t my needs respected? Why isn’t my trauma valid?

People are people end of and should be cherished for who they are, me and my husband have 3 grown kids they think all this discussion is a diversion from the important issues, unaffordable housing, funding conflicts, nhs collapsing, lack of investment in society etc, you do you love ❤

Gay men in particular were criminalised for having sex with each other, not on gender issues. The battle for rights was based on same sex attraction so mot a real comparison with the gender movement which is movement focused on gender.

@amandamcgovern5744

2 ай бұрын

And nobody can even tell you what gender means… what being a man or woman in terms of gender actually signifies… it’s an incoherent mess

luv u owen also please how the hell do you look 15 years younger than you are? I visibly gasped when I saw what your age was.

@thehound9638

Жыл бұрын

Like most champagne socialists he's never had to work a day in his life! He can afford to age slow!

Owen mate - whats going on with your Twitter account?

The ideology is what threatened children.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak: The 2022 Bayes Business School Mais Lecture. Being and Number in Heidegger's Thought by Michaerl Roubach (pg 23-28) History of the Concept of Time by Martin Heidegger (pg 32-36) Deleuze and the History of Mathematics by Simon Duffy

Thanks for this Owen. I'm a trans woman and it has become almost unbearable to live in this country today.

@jordanmills8720

2 жыл бұрын

May I ask what makes it unbearable?

@johnlewis9158

2 жыл бұрын

As opposed to where exactly

@missyprime8198

2 жыл бұрын

It is becoming unbearable to live here as a trans woman, I have offers of assistance from online friends should I decide to move to their country. Not one day goes past without yet more articles demonising us in the UK press, I came out 12 years ago & have yet to have a year where I haven't been physically assaulted, the frequency has been increasing over recent years. I hope you find somewhere safe, sending best wishes & virtual hugs

@jordanmills8720

2 жыл бұрын

@@missyprime8198 I feel your pain. I'm a straight white man and it seems like it's acceptable for other people to discriminate against me in job applications and housing allocation among other things. It also seems like people believe I should pay for the mistakes other people made hundreds of years before I was born. Nightmare. Maybe we should come together and fight the discrimination against both of our groups.

@missyprime8198

2 жыл бұрын

@@jordanmills8720 Aww sweetie, that's either a poor attempt at trolling or you've led a very sheltered life. Straight white men are the least discriminated against group in the UK. In a survey last year 1/3 of employers said they would not hire a trans person. How many employers would say they'd refuse to hire someone for being a cis het white man, don't make me laugh. No one is saying you personally have to pay for the mistakes of history. People are saying nations like the UK should at least say sorry for past misdeeds, you are not a nation. People are rightly pointing out that much of what we display in museums were actually stolen & should be returned, you're not a museum. The reason you feel under attack is that you've had so much privilege from being a cis het white man that to you sharing that feels like oppression

As an outside looking in. And yes, as someone who hasn't taken too much notice in the JKR thing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't her beef more one of Men who declare themselves women who can get in women's toilets, prisons, refuges etc as opposed to being out and out anti trans as a concept? Am I totally wrong there?

@josm1481

2 жыл бұрын

That's a level of nuance that can easily get you accused of being a transphobe in these parts. No room for nuance or logic when it comes to agenda driven narcissism.

@unthoughtwords

2 жыл бұрын

That's ostensibly it, but she conflates the two - and is willing to sacrifice huge amounts of rights for trans women in order to create complex legal barriers against predatory men who break those kinds of rules anyway. Her rhetoric (and that of her devotees) often ends up conflating the two to the point where if you listened to her you'd think almost every trans woman was in fact a predatory man - which is harmful on so many levels, but she will not hear it.

@MrMassivefavour

2 жыл бұрын

@@unthoughtwords I see. Thanks

@PedanticPig

2 жыл бұрын

Trans women have already existed in these spaces for decades, and barely anyone even noticed. It's only being made an issue of now as attempt to fearmonger and drive trans people out of public life by rolling back their existing rights. This is mainly pushed by Christian conservatives who needed a new target after they lost the gay marriage battle, with "feminists" like Rowling used as useful cover, as illustrated just recently by her publicly giving love to Caroline Farrow, who spent years as a high profile campaigner against gay marriage and works for a far-right organisation that opposes gay and abortion rights.

@mysteryperson706

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMassivefavour I'll also add that there's nothing stopping those men abusing these women without self-ID laws; an abuser probably isn't interested in hiding behind self-ID, they'll just go into a toilet or whatever else as is. After all, they're already committing a much worse crime, so why bother with a Mrs Doubtfire plot? That's a ridiculous way to imagine abuse - abusers don't need an excuse to do terrible things. So this harms trans people but doesn't even keep cis women safe.

She has no intention of doing that,it drives you nuts because a powerful woman (1of only 2)genders is saying what the vast majority,no the HUGE majority think and say amongst themselves and there peers,this relatively small vocal group with it has to be said some strong proponents and arguments has for a number of years boxed way above it's weight and when somebody like JKR very forcefully calls out the law and the groups involved,the shock of it was clearly palpalble

Thanks for covering this! Maybe have on Lily Zheng for an interview/conversation?

@priscillaeyles3301

2 жыл бұрын

I LOVE Lily Zheng!

I'm gay and it got to a point where I distanced myself a lot from the LGBT ''community'' and its dogmas (yes, dogmas). Believe me, some things have already made the LGBT ''community'' divided. You need to accept that not all people who are included in this minority will follow everything that is being said and you also need to accept that there is a very problematic side within trans activism. Pretending it doesn't exist is blinding yourself. I don't agree with some things JK says, but other things she says have a certain basis. She is definitely not completely wrong.

@giani1680

2 жыл бұрын

Your comment gives me hope.

@sjaelfre

2 жыл бұрын

Just say you're a quisling devoid of your own history and go

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure I understand your point. It seems incoherent to simultaneously claim LGBT people represent a plurality of views, and a singular "dogma." Is it perhaps the case that what you call "dogma" is actually a form of consensus? For example, we all agree killing is morally wrong, but it seems strange to call that agreement "dogma."

@bettedavisweloveyou270

2 жыл бұрын

@@pb1105 What I'm trying to say is that the LGBT ''community'' nowadays works like a religious institution in which you have to follow all the rules and dogmas in order for you to be fully accepted within this movement. Anyone who dares to disagree with something will be the black sheep. It's a very dogmatic system that I don't care to serve. Just because I'm gay doesn't mean I'm going to applaud and agree with whatever insanity someone says.

@bettedavisweloveyou270

2 жыл бұрын

@@giani1680 Too happy to know that.

She’s not trying to.

JKR has spoken out about women's rights which she has every right to do. She has also spoken out in support of LGB people and we're thankful for that. You don't speak for all LGB people Owen and it's not for you to say we can't separate LGB from T. We're entitled to form an advocacy group which caters to our specific needs and we have done so.

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

As a bi person, I'm baffled by the premise that LGB consent is given collectively, as suggested by the LGBA. By saying I'm bi, I'm not saying I fancy all men and women. Presumably, gay people don't fancy all other gay people. Why would that be different when it comes to trans folks? Why not work on an individual basis?

@karlknight5239

2 жыл бұрын

@clare Curran I totally agree and as a gay man it has always confused me as to why there is a need to lump the T with LBG. I find all the other letters just as confusing, soon we will run out of letters and will have to use numbers. I honestly believe that everyone should have equal rights but know ones rights should ever trample over another's rights also 10 years ago all the tran women, tranvestites, trans men or men who where gender fluid all knew biologically they were either male or female without all the self labelling, today the absolute truth has been lost....we have to go back to applying common sense otherwise we are all doomed.

@mvjbass9561

3 ай бұрын

Fewer than 3% of "LGB" people identify as such. The vast, vast majority of us do not support the movement.

Really it should be only LGB, I never sympathized with the T.

I actually find it rather interesting that of all debates in our society at the moment, the argument of what biological sex is, what differentiates the two and whether there is a difference at all has been the most heated and contested. I don't really know why it interests me, but would love to see an analysis on why people think this subjects of all subjects causes the most polarisation

@Lolp821

Жыл бұрын

There is no argument, sex and gender is the same thing. Male and female are the genders that exist. Some institute decides to change the meaning and it's cited by all these groups as fact.

Part 3 Now to get to issues of trans rights and trans people. Do we think a natural order delivers difference, and do we think these differences then are constrained by possible configuration of sovereign nature, the differences are naturally grounded in natures multiplicity of possibilities that transcend the history of human subjective institutional categorisations, that the tradition is a dogma of privileging the mean the average as the norm, even as the proper, the ethical, and moral. The struggler rights then is a struggle between traditional norms that are culturally presented to us as the result of past active human categorisations, but imposed on us though and within our experience. The political task then is to show the “margins” of nature and experience as a difference form various aggregate norms. Hence the turn to data and description, even subjective experience as revealing real nature as a multiplicity as opposed to having a fixed norm and deviations from it. Here then the conflict is between only slightly elastic tradition as neglect of margins from the norms, and the evidence of the veracity of multiplicity in natural facts. This can take the political “form” of a genesis in place and time that can travail expand etc. it is a conflict between tradition and nature. Nature as multiplicty is the foundation before all else. Another route for trans rights is though the opposite notion to nature, that of freedom from nature, for example in Judith Butler’s use of J.L. Austin’s speech acts to claim for subjects their own authority to name and categorise themselves in the speech act of self-reference or an “illocutionary act”. While this seems open in relations to freedom of human possibilities of living as performance, one is reminded hear of Isaiah Berlins open society, and Butler was indeed a student of Rorty and if memory serves, her PhD was on Wittgenstein (and perhaps Foucault(?) this was in her introduction paper to a conference some time ago.

If you deep dive into her books there full of warning signs.

@priscillaeyles3301

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Could you post any examples?

@dogsareboss

Жыл бұрын

Okey dokey, Stevie! X

I didn't understand that last thing you said. Sorry!

JKR just speaks the truth, nothing insulting or hate, just the truth. Science, Biology and Patholgy isn't about feelings.

@davbah

2 жыл бұрын

You mean all the science behind gender identity isn't about transphobic people's feelings ?

@stephenmason5682

2 жыл бұрын

@@davbah are you trying to confuse yourself?

@davbah

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephenmason5682 The actual science knowlegde show that gender identity is differente than sex and that transgender sens of gender is real. I don't care about the feeling of Jkr or other non-science beliver (religious or not) about it.

@stephenmason5682

2 жыл бұрын

@@davbah Prof. Winston may be worth a look at? I think you are cherrypicking your Science, Biology or Pathology?

@sjaelfre

2 жыл бұрын

Hoe convenient to leave out the most important and relevant ones; medical and mental health science. And please advance beyond orimary biology. Gender identity is inherently biological as well as socially constructed.

I STAND WITH JK ROWLING

@bobettepancakes

Жыл бұрын

Well I don't. You don't speak for lgb people. The majority of us aren't transphobic and don't want the community to exclude trans people.

Have a hug you wonderful soul 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🌺🌸🥀xx

Part 4 This all seems fine, but the problem is that the difference form norms or from passively accommodating nature, are differences between traditional norms and real nature or actualisation of human freedom and reason from nature. But here the difference is between norm and multiplicity real or imagined which is held as a value distinction privileging the margins over the norm. The ethical comes in as between the is of the norm, and the ought of difference from it. Ought here though is both legal protection from traditionalists and a requirement of “recognition”. We now wander if the rights are first as an open multiplicity of right’s predicates, or that first is the obligation and demand of recognition. We can thus distinguish between a pure legal project of negative laws and force and a project of manufacturing “recognition”. Oddly under the Hegelian subject object notion, this is a political struggle of opposition between multiplicity and tradition, but of course tradition is also a multiplicity to be cherry picked for e.g. by law citing its ontology of the bad. There is no recognition of an already acquainted relation here of non-opposition the other (not just negations) to law, presupposed by the laws working. An affinity preceding the metaphysical markings of difference and conflict and law. Against this multiplicity has become a strange regulative ideal or ideal in itself a metric of progress and moral development set against tradition as whole other to it or at least only the context of affording political action praxis. The ideal demands greater freedom from the norm and or greater encounter with the obscured details of nature and its possibilities. Right as dignity and the demand for respect is set against norms habit and rituals which are held in opposition to it. It quickly becomes a strange totalitarianism with not the “one” at the apex but multiplicity as natural or freedoms possibilities as the apex to come. While Berlin and others held neglect of right as what failed in totalitarian states, so now right as recognition, consent of difference, has moved from right as protection by law from the state to right as requiring progress action work and actualisation. Burt his right is abstract as not protection from the state but a international autonomous legal imperative free from the state, multiplicity as appositive right demand has sublated the state that was its original ground as legal freedom from state legal (or illegal) action. Its is said here that the right now protects those not from the state but from some of the people. Right abstracted from the state then these rights offer a ground for post state autonomous internal action for the idea in abstract.

Part 1.Thanks you for the discussion, the J.K Rolling issue you are talking about, is not something I have followed, but I have a question of sorts: When we encounter an external object we might provisionally say, or mention, our experience goes, or changes, from the objects absence to its presence, and that event, that difference is what marks or registers or audits the being of the object for us. Its name then is not a given reference or brutal acquaintance but a difference between nothing and being. Here then being is mentioned as "one" and nothing is "zero". Two things at least from this "being" is not primitive but in relation with and distinct from "nothing", and there seems a close relation even immediate relation between being and number, not that they are the same or identical or equal these terms are odd because we now wander if a whole other set of distinctions in the mind are already at or in play. We might say at once but now are we presupposing time as the ground of distinction, certainly but now we have set time as the ground of difference and now we might ask is time the foundation or it time too is coinventing with being and number and even then quantity its one not two or three. These kinds of medieval scholastic question were triggered at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century due to the collapse of the enlightenment foundations of mathematics and the sciences (Reimann on space, Einstein on space and time, Cantor on infinity). Specifically its was felt that this consisted in the rejection of Kant's a priori notion of number on the one hand and Mill's logic and the empirical generality account of number on the other. Now for some there is still the search for foundations but elsewhere like logic, or formalism but some sought to address this from an epistemological view of Kant, neo Kantians at Marburg etc. to take Heinrich Rickert’s distinction then for number and being is between the object in experience and some notion of “a” multiplicity in experience. Then we might ask does the act of thought “make the object out of the multiplicity as opposed to the object being given already as a real unity, we or we might say its the act of thought or the act of judgement that forms the unity out of the multiplicity. In this sense the being of the object is subjected to the subject’s judgement and now in relation to pure freedom or as a difference from or even distinction from say temporal habit and tradition.

@anarchords1905

5 ай бұрын

Wow! Welcome to second year uni philosophy meets the manic phase of BPD.

If everyone would just stop putting themselves into groups, then join the human race. Stop talking about differences we are all different, but all the same..

@Lolp821

Жыл бұрын

We were doing that, but we've descended into a downward slope towards the end since social media gave these mad ones a voice in 2007. We need to forget rubbish like extreme activist groups such as lgbt, blm or feminism - even though feminism has lost it's wheels over the years. Also, I don't know why, but being not straight means you're lgbt, why can't someone just be gay or whatever.

@ProkofNY

Жыл бұрын

@@Lolp821 we need liberal activism, which has historically been successful by focusing on our common humanity (as the original poster suggested). Activism is different now in the sense that it has turned its back on liberal ideals and in the process, become less tolerant.

Trans rights!

Mr Tanktop, she's not trying to divide people you cretin.

Thanks Owen ✌️

She couldn't divide us. We have already been divided. Here, I stand with her, ofc.

Confused if a Trans person Passport says Male or Female is still valid its a document of identification for Travel not a Gender I.D. So they could travel surely?

@mysteryperson706

2 жыл бұрын

Not really as that process usually results in humiliating outcomes including strip searches. Even more so with these modern full body scanners. If your ID says M but you look F, or visa versa, airports and borders are dangerous.

@Ckrisg1

2 жыл бұрын

@@mysteryperson706 thanks

@mysteryperson706

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ckrisg1 also worth considering that if your passport reads M, you'd be refused the right to leave Ukraine even if you're a woman

@nga88nguyen

2 жыл бұрын

I think just add in the paper that they're trans would works. Ppl are not that new to the idea anymore.

She won't divide us; we're already divided because we were never really united. Our interests eventually conflict, sometimes seriously.

Live and let live.

Thank you for addressing this Owen ❤

Poor St George is not dealing with retirement very well.

@samcad-ho3ze

2 жыл бұрын

Mirage dragons everywhere.

All my gay friends and I are 100% with JK Rowling. And we despise you

You should watch Shaun's Video about JK Rowling, she writes about Slaves in the Harry Potter books in a really weird way... JK Rowling as a strange, strange lady

10:55: I'm going to have to disagree with that. It sounds extremely disruptive for the children, and the most important thing for a developing child is a consistent home environment. I'm not saying it can't be done, but the model you described needs some serious work.

They're already divided by logic. Lesbian, Gay and Bi are clearly defined sexual identities. Transgenderism/gender dysphoria is something entirely different.

@haruhisuzumiya6650

2 жыл бұрын

Sexualities includes gender identity

@13olibrown

2 жыл бұрын

​@@haruhisuzumiya6650 How? Sexuality is about which sex(s) you are sexually attracted to. Gender identity is one's sense of one's own gender. They're quite obviously very different groups of people, making very different claims and seeking different rights.

@unthoughtwords

2 жыл бұрын

Owen (very eloquently) makes the point here that the narratives used against trans people today are the same moral panic arguments as were used mainstream to demonize gay people in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. The only difference is we're 50 years or so behind on the way we (as a society) view and tolerate transphobia compared to homophobia. Strip that away, and they're all just things which are innate to someone, they are born with and unable to change, and which a patriarchal, heteronormative society has nurtured an unjust hatred of.

@tonyburton419

2 жыл бұрын

@@unthoughtwords Yes agreed. Innate is probably highly likely.

@cazhatten3341

2 жыл бұрын

trans people can be gay or bi too. the reason we come under the lgbt+ is because we dont conform to a heteronormative world, or more precisely a cis-het world. cis being people who arent trans. trans people were there at the start of the campaign for lgbt rights. i think peter tatchel penned an article towards the end of last year on this. differences, but similarities, hence lgbt+

She isn’t dividing lgbt people - she is fighting for the identity of women

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

Which women?

@PepsiMagt

2 жыл бұрын

@@pb1105 real women. Female women. Those that are made in the womb, not on the surgeons table.

@PepsiMagt

2 жыл бұрын

@PrestonSartorius Saying that transwomen are women nullifies 200 years of womens rights and protections.

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

@@PepsiMagt Trans women meet all of those criteria. Perhaps you don't consider women who have undergone plastic surgery as sufficiently "real?"

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

@@PepsiMagt It's difficult to take this claim seriously considering self ID has been in effect since 2010. Perhaps if someone was trying to remove women's right to vote your case would be more persuasive.

Owen. No one cares. You spend all day wondering if people take trans and gay people seriously. Picking fights. No one takes you seriously. You'll only be divided if you stop taking steroids. Because your beard will grow bwck

Can you just clear something up for me in regards to 'lived experience' or to use the philosophical nomenclature, stand point epistemology. Am I to discount the lived experience of an individual who has an opinion that is counter to my own and accept it as absolute fact when it confers or is it that there is an inherent problem with stand point epistemology and I should not accept 'lived experience' as fact and instead realise that people who belong to the same group often have wildly different perspectives and filter their experiences through their own pre existing biases and frameworks?

@ashleygraham8781

2 жыл бұрын

This one would be the first to tell you anecdotes don't count as evidence if it was against his own beliefs.

@marcadams440

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashleygraham8781 They don't count as evidence period.

A woman is an adult human female

@Charlie1000X

2 жыл бұрын

An adult female person according to the dictionary. This includes trans women.

@staraptorflock3661

2 жыл бұрын

Charlie Kiss Very true birds are known to have socially constructed societies

@haruhisuzumiya6650

2 жыл бұрын

@@staraptorflock3661 just ask the rito

@patsyroberts3967

2 жыл бұрын

So is a trans woman. "Adult Human Female" are not the magic words you think they are.

@haruhisuzumiya6650

2 жыл бұрын

@@patsyroberts3967 they were agreeing with the Charlie kiss guy

The passport issue Should be waived immediately worldwide 🌐 Owen, it feels like we've sleepwalked back to the 20th century sadly. Thanks again for Your always relevant material Mate 👏 👌 👍

She expresses her opinion. I know, it is hard to accept that some people hold different beliefs, but it is a matter of free speech

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

What's the difference between lying and expressing an opinion?

@batcollins3714

2 жыл бұрын

@@pb1105 The difference is called truth. And if my little niece goes into the ladies I certainly don't want a MAN going in there after her and I really couldn't care less what he wants to be. He can call himself what he likes but don't EVER think it's ok to be in the same rest room with my 10 year old niece. Sorry if your "feelings" see hurt.

@OwenJonesTalks

2 жыл бұрын

and I'm expressing my opinions and using my free speech too so what's your problem

@34566454332

2 жыл бұрын

If the only defence of something is that it’s not actually illegal, not really much of a defence of it is it?

@giani1680

2 жыл бұрын

@@sjaelfre she challenges the stonewall ideology, and that does not mean being transphobic. Like the radical feminists who defend their safe space are not transphobic. Labelling everyone's different opinions as trasphobic or racist is what led BOJO to n 10.

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3:30 10 o clock live?

@OwenJonesTalks

2 жыл бұрын

yep

@tenderhooligan7580

2 жыл бұрын

Urgh Milo. Last seen endorsing conversion therapy.

Are gay men and lesbians still persecuted in the UK?

@51monw

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but they are protected in law.

Putin and Rowling are secretly in league with each other. Did you think that Putin's uncanny resemblance to Dobby was a COINCIDENCE? 😉

@34566454332

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t think Dobby was that tall?

Talk about gaslighting and manipulation: biological science = Adam and Eve...that's pretty amazing, even fir this guy.

jk rowling should mind her own pipi and leave others' alone to live any way they feel comfortable with.

Co-parenting sounds like divorced parents, which isn't fun for the kid(s) or others?

@FR-eu3ch

2 жыл бұрын

Child psychology expert? Or nosy git?

@pneumaticFrequency

2 жыл бұрын

@@FR-eu3ch kids become adults and likely don't enjoy having 2 families. People do also have to be experts to have any opinions, I spoke to a million families

Are we living in the future where you can change your chromosomes? I don't like right wing fantacists BTW, call me consistent

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think chromosomes are the win you think they are. Why do you think we don't have passports marking XYY or other chromosomal structures? Why don't we consider people with Down's Syndrome a separate gender? If only it was as simple as you suggest.

@pneumaticFrequency

2 жыл бұрын

@@pb1105 there are rare medical exceptions, but by all means don't address the question asked

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

@@pneumaticFrequency I thought it was rhetorical, sorry. No you can't change chromosomes to my knowledge. Could you return the courtesy and answer my questions?

@pneumaticFrequency

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't say chromosomes are an indicator of gender, so your questions made that assumption. They usually are though, the vast majority of the time and are inextricably linked to biological gender. People should not be shamed for viewing trans people as strange and not actually the gender they claim to be, but I'm a cis man whose opinions are invalid

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

@@pneumaticFrequency Right, I'm not contesting what you've said, but I'm not sure why we don't have passports based on chromosomes. Maybe I misunderstood, but organising society along those lines is preferable to self ID, in your opinion, right? That would mean there are 5 or 6 different sexes.

What the hell have you people got against JK Rowling, she has done nothing other than state facts

@DropdudeJohn

2 жыл бұрын

@@happycamper90596 How is she demonising a minority by stating facts, surely that minority are deluding themselves by ignoring facts.

@DropdudeJohn

2 жыл бұрын

@@happycamper90596 And just to be clear we now live in a world thanks to people like yourself where stating facts gets you cancelled and your right to free speech denied, what level of demonisation is that

@haruhisuzumiya6650

2 жыл бұрын

@@happycamper90596 demonizing a minority by justifying her childhood trauma. Shameful

@Naomi-ns1lo

2 жыл бұрын

@@DropdudeJohn it's about conveying an opinion in a way which is constructive rather than inflammatory. No one is saying you shouldn't be able to have an opinion - it's just that the way opinions are expressed on social media is often very provocative

@DropdudeJohn

2 жыл бұрын

@@happycamper90596 No she doesn't generate hate, she states facts, you then generate the hate, because you can't cope with the facts.

Love this woman, never read the books tho.

Rowling is still hot! 😍

❤🧡💛💚💙💜

An increase in crimes against LBGT people is horrific. However, they come nowhere near the number of crimes committed against women and children. JK Rowling is NOT anti-trans, she’s defending women and children’s rights. So, stop telling lies, Owen.

@SwedishDrunkard5963

26 күн бұрын

like she is, she is a known transphobe

Understandably we can disagree, from time to time, with people with whom we agree 99% of the time. And I’m fully on side with support for all people in the LGBTQ community. People are people no matter what flag they fly. From what I recall however Rowlings initial statement was nothing more than “Trans women are not biological women.” Pretty straightforward. She was then mercilessly attacked. Hers was a carefully worded observation which to me wouldn’t be a cause for making an, artificial, enemy of her. And yes there is, as you rightly point out, the most vile hatred and violence directed at the community but I’m not certain that invoking Rowlings name will help stop that.

@liyura8907

2 жыл бұрын

there is no such thing as a "biological woman", and even if we replace that with "biologically female" the statement is still inaccurate for many trans women. a trans woman who has "fully" medically transitioned for example shares more of the phenotypical characteristics associated with the "female" sex than the "male" sex, and is therefore closer to being "biologically female" than "biologically male". this idea that sex is some sort of immutable metaphysical attribute that cannot be changed and is independent from physical reality is unscientific essentialist nonsense. either way, rowling has done far worse than just saying that, and has aligned both with the terf movement and with the broader right-wing conservative anti-trans movement repeatedly.

@rajo741

2 жыл бұрын

@@liyura8907 Ahhh I see. So because activists say things they believe to be true “there is no such thing as a biological woman” (tell that to the hundreds of millions of women who’ve given birth over the centuries) to fit their over-arching narrative, we now need to accept it as an ultimate truth. And if we don’t….what? We get cancelled? Rather than recognizing and accepting the allies you have, it seems much more important to carve out your tribe and isolate it by painting the rest of humanity as the enemy. Now I, for personal reasons (and not just because I think it’s the civil thing to do) , use the preferred pronoun of someone I know who happens to identify as non-binary but I also couldn’t care less about segments of the community that insist on isolating themselves and then blaming even those allies for how marginalized they are. What anti-intellectual garbage.

@idawanna9265

2 жыл бұрын

@@liyura8907 you’re hilarious. There is no such thing as a ‘biological woman’? Lol

@51monw

2 жыл бұрын

She retweets a load of abuse which exactly match the kinds of slurs made against gay men that Owen covers. He is spot on here. She's found a community where they all reinforce their own sickening views, for reasons unclear, but then phobias are irrational. It is important that those of us not in that weird trans-phobic community to make it clear that she is in a bad echo chamber.

@rajo741

2 жыл бұрын

@@51monw I’m certainly not familiar with her retweets but I’ll take your word for it and that is certainly cause for giving her a second look, so to speak. And yes Owen is often spot on. Thanks for that.

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Seems to be a semantics issue...and maybe we need a change in language to move with the times...

@idawanna9265

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. A woman is a woman. You can’t change language. Women will not submit.

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

I would say its more a case of pragmatics than semantics.

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

@@idawanna9265 To reassure us that you're not just repeating meaningless catchphrases, is there another way you could put that?

@idawanna9265

2 жыл бұрын

@@pb1105 ? How can I be more clear for you?

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

@@idawanna9265 Say the same thing without using the same words.

Can someone clarify something. Is it OK for homophobic men to claim effeminate gay guys are "erasing manhood?" Is this not what JKR is doing with women?

@truditandy422

2 жыл бұрын

NO!

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

@@truditandy422 So what does erasing mean if not that?

@bunsmasterbunny

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not comparable at all.

@pb1105

2 жыл бұрын

@@bunsmasterbunny I bet you can't explain why. I happen to think its pretty identical.

@bunsmasterbunny

2 жыл бұрын

@@pb1105 Because being gay is something immutable you are born as. Trans is a social construction based on how you identify with gender roles.

My thought is she's either got internalized transphobia, or one of her children/someone close to her is trans and that's why she is so vocal on it.

@truthseeker8959

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe it’s because she’s an adult female.

Being trans is not real. Don’t push you’re beliefs on other people.

Now that the content on the war has slowed down we can get back to left wing bread and and butter. Cancel culture. Dont disagree with the sentiment in the video but did it have to be so clickbaity?