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@360flipmaster

3 жыл бұрын

Trans women aren't women

@TR12365

3 жыл бұрын

Right-wing media? Says the Guardian has-been. The hypocrisy.. it burns.

@karenxhill

3 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelJ44 They are dead you sicko

@karenxhill

3 жыл бұрын

@@minchul80 A trans hate group??🙄

@karenxhill

3 жыл бұрын

@transwomen are sexist men Nah that is just you

Trans rights are human rights

@tysondennis1016

3 жыл бұрын

@Charlie Francis Agree with you 100%-unless you are using women’s rights as a front to attacking trans rights.

@PlayNiceFolks

3 жыл бұрын

@@tysondennis1016 I'm not sure you should, at least, not in regards to the context in how that other comment was made.

@PlayNiceFolks

3 жыл бұрын

@Charlie Francis Are you transphobic?

@PlayNiceFolks

3 жыл бұрын

@Charlie Francis ahh caught ya. Thanks for answering my question.

@PlayNiceFolks

3 жыл бұрын

@Charlie Francis Human psychology, and even physiology, is more complex than sex organs. That's reality.

Listening to walk-the-walk trans folk talk the trans talk is eternal soul food

@andrewtrayford2284

3 жыл бұрын

some tongue twister there

Freddy smashed it at the end. You need to focus on normal people. People who might laugh at trans jokes, but when they hear the back stories of trans people and how they are just normal it makes people think. This is how it worked with gay people. When i was a kid calling someone gay was an insult, now it is normal. It was by people recognizing gay people are normal people.

@Metamerist625

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, there is no other way.

@ebflegg

3 жыл бұрын

Trans is NOT the new gay.

@richardwilliams3308

3 жыл бұрын

@@ebflegg why not though? There are similarities in how they’ve been treated isn’t there?

As sympathetic as I am to trans people and support their rights. I do think that to make it an ageist thing and also not to try and understand why their is transphobia to accurately deal with it, does feel like there's a missed opportunity. To just say people who disagree with me are outdated just seems a bit lazy

@claire4486

3 жыл бұрын

Transphobia is just fear of the unknown basically isn't it, is why most people supportive of trans people know one.

@jakesmart7332

3 жыл бұрын

@@claire4486 I personally don't know a trans person, but I believe in basic human rights being universal. But I agree that there is a lack of humanity to the unknown

@claire4486

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakesmart7332 I agree. That's why most arguments I've heard are a services and facilities being out of date and not matching a modern day society (Trans thing aside why do we have to share a room with someone else having a pooh) not a rights issue. Instead of we want better services and facilities and better funding to accommodate everyone and uphold everyone's rights. It's we want to remove that persons rights and place restrictions on their movements within society when they have committed no crime and done nothing wrong. Why is it even a debate?

@BiGAAAAAAAAAALLLLL

3 жыл бұрын

@@claire4486 Facilities? Money? Logistics? What utterly stupid tree are you barking up? Are you insinuating that having to share a toilet with another human who is "having a poo" is a violation of your human rights? How egregious...

@claire4486

3 жыл бұрын

@@BiGAAAAAAAAAALLLLL Not necessarily, but it is a bit odd really isn't it and something we have just got used to. If women who have an issue with it are going to be taken seriously how do you propose to do it? Or is it just impose restriction on and derogate trans people because of other peoples delicate sensibilities and an if. Is that not egregious then or a breach of human rights?

This comment section totally confirms the title.

@joseph1845

Жыл бұрын

If you keep seeing criticism as hate then you are never going to grow.

@sophiepooks2174

9 ай бұрын

@@joseph1845 The irony is if we all criticized you, picked you apart warts and all in a public debate on whether you are a danger to society, or should be allowed to exist in public without harassment and prohibited you from acceptance by society you would soon be moaning but..mah huumarn rights.

@joseph1845

9 ай бұрын

@@sophiepooks2174 nice imagination

@MetalSamantha

8 ай бұрын

I wrote a different reply, but my point was if I called you all the things which transphobes have ever called me, you would take it as hate-speech and immature blathering Because it's not "understandable criticism" or "reasonable concerns". It is hate -speech and immature blathering. @@joseph1845

@MetalSamantha

8 ай бұрын

I should not have worded it the way I originally did. My mum has 24 hours to live, so that was why I did. However, I should not have.

I think we are living through an extraordinary time where barriers are both blurring and hardening. I don't see a moral panic, but I don't pay attention to the Daily Mail etc. where I imagine most hostility to trans people is coming from. I see a culture that has been radically transformed from a few years ago when The Mighty Boosh and Little Britain were laughing cruelly at trans people. Now we are in the era of RuPaul's drag race and primetime entertainment shows only too happy to represent trans people. However, it's hard to separate what is tolerance and what is the media's need to follow the zeitgeist and get people watching. Trans people have come to fascinate everybody despite being only a tiny proportion of the population, so why have they raced to the top of the agenda in five years? Identity is something we are struggling with like never before. Settled identities related to work and nationality are eroding in the globalised world. Everyone is challenged and fearful because what they thought they were is disappearing. Anyone who embraces ambiguity and sees freedom in the loosening of pro-ordained identity seems to be taking on the age and winning. We all yearn for that kind of self-realisation. However, as we increasingly acknowledge the non-binary nature of gender, we are hardening other binaries. The need to immediately 'other' people with a different view as transphobic I find very worrying. If we are to bring about a kinder and more understanding world, we have to accept that just as trans people often make a journey to understanding themselves, society is also making a journey. Shon Faye mentions someone who had transitioned from radical feminism and into a more trans-friendly view and we should seek to facilitate journeys like that. As the majority of people grew up in world where trans identities were barely acknowledged, there is bound to be fear - fear of the unknown. But if fear is interpreted every time as hate, then it becomes something thing not to be engaged with, and you lose any chance to make progress.

Yayyyyy! Here cause I was looking up Freddy. I REALLLYYYY hope that the cis friends we have can really look up to this amazing work & allyship ♡ I love the interviewer questions. And I think I've seen this channel cameo and collaborate with some lefty friends (I just can't really rmmbr which)

Is a union wage more than minimum/living wage? Just wondering.

@isaacjoyce-shaw4992

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

Great to see you've given a platform to this issue & brought trans people on so they can have their voices heard

@stho9459

3 жыл бұрын

The voices are being heard. Unfortunately, that's starting to be at the expense of others who also have a right to have their voices heard. This is not an issue which is simply going to be resolved by insisting that everyone conforms to the beliefs of others, when their own beliefs, observations and human experience align with the basic facts of human development. Everyone deserves respect even when there is significant disagreement.

@karenxhill

3 жыл бұрын

@@stho9459 There is no place for hatred & transphobia based on unfounded fears. Trans people have always existed & their voices are only being heard now

4:00 in Tier 5 people will have to wear a mask when speaking to someone via video conferencing software

invisibility cloaks existed before JKR

@PlayNiceFolks

3 жыл бұрын

Not really

@sophiepooks2174

9 ай бұрын

@@PlayNiceFolks HG Wells had the invisible man and Star trek the original had the invisibility cloak.

it serves the divide and rule strategy of the establishment.

Reactionaries seething 😎🏳️‍⚧️

No to mid-roll ads.

Loved this discussion. Can't get enough of Shon and Freddy! thanks Owen for hosting this

40:50 This!!

Shon is brilliant. And hot like wasabi!

You can edit the countdown out of the final video release btw Owen, it'll will help views after the stream xo

The curious orange

Appricate this Owen Shon and Freddy Trans liberation

Counting the seconds to the first mention of 'calamity' ......................... Oh by gum. ;)

Excellent!

00:43 you're welcome

What a great conversation with really thoughtful contributors.

Excellent video, thank you!

💯

Brilliant conversation. Shon’s point about regret not being a reason to restrict treatment is spot on. It would be crazy to restrict access to abortion based on the likelihood of regret (around 15%), so shouldn’t it also be crazy to do the same for transition (regret rate less that 1%)?

@SusannaSaunders

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on! Incidence of regret is very low. No policy will create zero regret... That's just life. So it's about what will cause the least harm. Banning hormone blockers to trans teenagers is immensely harmful imo!

@tomhawkins8153

3 жыл бұрын

1. Yes it would be totally crazy to restrict if there were evidence that the person at the centre of the issue were able to reliably give informed consent. They're not, because they're children. 2. Using the "regret rate" is a red herring. People are terrible at admitting mistakes and excellent at rationalizing decisions that could easily have been made differently at the time. This is especially true for decisions as life-changing as whether to undergo irreversible medical intervention or not. 3. We are pretending we know a lot about this, when in fact we know almost nothing. We're experimenting on children in the name of an ideology that is riddled with inconsistencies. For example, when did it become "progressive" to define a gender by a set of actions or preferences (i.e. you behave a certain way and that makes you female/male)? And how does a biological male in their 30s somehow "just know/feel" they are female when a biological female in her 30s (and who identifies as such) has a gender that has been "socially constructed". The factual claims made by trans ideologues do not bear logical scrutiny, which is why it's immoral to then prescribe life-changing medical interventions to children on the basis of those claims.

@jjequator

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomhawkins8153 Drop the transphobia and do some more research. These things are well understood.

@jonathanwarner1844

3 жыл бұрын

However, it's a great argument for public consumption, for those who want to stop something they personally disapprove of and impose their own Procrustean values on people they don't want to exist.

@jamescourtice9069

3 жыл бұрын

Yet when a watch and wait approach is taken rather than medicating gender questioning children, 80-90% desist. Should the 90% have their health wrecked for the 10% who continue past teenage?

Just like to say, brilliant discussion the other day. Thanks so much for this, Owen, Shon and Freddy. I'm so looking forward to reading Shon's upcoming book and Freddy's as well. Take care, stay safe and happy holidays all and to all my trans siblings and allies. x

Brilliant

this was great!! learned so much :)

@myguy155

3 жыл бұрын

Yeh it was great to laugh at

@matthew5489

3 жыл бұрын

​@@myguy155 big talk coming from a year 7 making shitty drill music for one whole subscriber...

@amess3921

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthew5489 bro you just killed him

I don’t understand why people talk about trans people in such a nasty way! Why can’t we respect all people regardless of what they do with bodies? It’s very arrogant of people to assume that others should conform to their own gender stereotypes? Why can’t we live in an open and tolerant society?

@benwakefield93

3 жыл бұрын

As someone against a lot of the trans movement, the problem with it is that someone who doesn't conform to the gender stereotype is being told they're in the wrong body and encouraged to make life changing decisions as a child. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being outside a gender stereoype but it does not mean that you are in the wrong body. And the fact that is a crime to say this is or for a mental health professional to explore why someone might feel they're in the wrong body (rather than assume they are) is Orwellian and abhorrent and i believe in 10 years there will be a huge public enquiry to why children were able to determine their own gender and cure to their mental health problems. There is no other type of symptom where the patient is able to conclude their own diagnosis and treatment like gender dysmorphia and i thinj every medical professional who is appeasing this radical left dogma should be ashamed of themselves.

@PedanticPig

3 жыл бұрын

@@benwakefield93 No one is telling people that if they don't conform to gender stereotypes they must be "in the wrong body", that's complete nonsense. Trans people break gender stereotypes of their assumed gender as much as anyone else. Maybe actually research this issue properly rather than assuming your half-baked theories hold more weight than people who have spent their lives studying it.

@SusannaSaunders

3 жыл бұрын

@@benwakefield93 I understand and empathise with your perspective. As you are clearly not a trans person, it's hard to grasp the required perspective here. We (trans people) live in a society that is very much the majority CIS gendered. Gender fluidity is not inherently a supported or endorsed element of society. Perhaps it would be a nice ideal, but the reality is a very long way from this (speaking from personal experience). To a very large extent, the expectation is that an individual will confirm, or at least correlate to, one of the two primary gender types. So this is largely a cultural expectation put upon the trans community - being something else is to be excluded from the main stream. Eddy Izzard being an exception... Or perhaps an example. So to deny this reality is a falsehood. Trans teens want a future that is not excluded from the main stream, and to achieve that end, gender blockers are a very effective stepping stone.

@Showbizboy

3 жыл бұрын

@@benwakefield93 I think most people understand what you’re saying. Well put.

@sophiepooks2174

9 ай бұрын

@@benwakefield93 You assuming what mental health professionals assume is an assumption and sweeping statement in itself. Most trans folk don't think of themselves as that you obviously don't know anyone in RL who is trans. In reality this is happening in such minute numbers, the fact you describe being trans as a religion rather than a valid medical condition, sounds like you are parroting authoritarian far right and GC talking points that are based on twisted information, fearmongering/ fear of the unknown and cliches. They never focus on how many successfully transition and feel early intervention saved their lives and would never de-transition.

Thanks this has been enlightening, Freddy’s last comments about people not knowing and aren’t transfobic, just a little ill formed hit home with me, and this has been very interesting, at the end of the day we’re are all just people

Sadly, Transgender was first attempted on the playing fields of Waterloo.

@sophiepooks2174

9 ай бұрын

Whatever 🙄all the RWNJ's love the wacky, unhinged comments, the creepy/weirder and more dog whistly.

Very informative thank you

What does it mean for someone to claim to be of the opposite gender to their biological sex? They are claiming to "feel like" the opposite sex? But what does this mean precisely?

@PedanticPig

3 жыл бұрын

It's difficult to define as there isn't really the language to describe it, and for someone who has never experienced it it's hard to imagine. It's not a delusion; people are well aware of what body they have and what people associate with that. It does typically come with distress over one's body being somehow wrong and that distress being alleviated when the body changes to fit one's perception (which critically doesn't happen for things it's often compared to like anorexia or whatever - they just get worse). Other things like feeling like you aren't really being seen when people see you as your sex assigned at birth, like they're talking about someone else, feeling detached from your life and the world and that more or less going away once you live and are perceived the way you feel inside, which also often comes with a sense of great joy. For some people it's more about the joy than the distress. It's different for everyone, but hopefully that gives you some idea.

@erisi6204

3 жыл бұрын

Outside of young children trans people are not claiming to feel like the opposite sex, instead they come to recognize their own gender identity and some come to declare this so they can be regarded as such by society.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine if you were yourself but everyone mistook you for a different gender Thats what it felt like for me before I transitioned

@gorypleasure

3 жыл бұрын

Protip: It means whatever the individual in question wants it to mean at any one time, but don't you dare question it or try to apply any analysis to those reason. Else you're a transphobe mate. Also, they don't claim to be of the opposite sex in public anymore, except when spreading the absurd myth that sex is a spectrum.

@jennosyde709

3 жыл бұрын

@@PedanticPig Exactly. It is like trying to explain what the color blue is to a blind person. Unless someone personally experiences that conflict between their gender and sex, then realistically, they are just not going to get it. Explaining it means nothing; recognizing that they do exist and that many people do objectively experience a conflict between the two is how science and medicine progress.

It’s because anything other than a complete suspension of ones own world view is all the proof needed to accuse someone of transphobia.

@sophiepooks2174

9 ай бұрын

In what way? sweeping statements are all the rage with boot lickers of the colonial establishment and authoritarian Reich.

This is aging terribly, and some day will be looked on with horror. It's like the people in the 50s supporting lobotomies...

@LilyKittyCatto

Жыл бұрын

transgender isnt a new thing lmao. trans people have been accepted in many ancient societies around the world, native americans is one example. it seems like theres more trans people today simply because we feel safer to come out. its still not entirely safe, i was physically assaulted earlier this year simply because i am trans.

@erichamilton3373

Жыл бұрын

@@LilyKittyCatto It is a new thing. Stonewall didn't have transgender involvement. There were no transgender people in the past. There WERE gender non-conforming people or in some cultures people in special categories. Stop transwashing gender non-conforming and/or homosexual people.

@LilyKittyCatto

Жыл бұрын

@@erichamilton3373 hahaha you cant handle the facts huh? typical transphobe

@sophiepooks2174

9 ай бұрын

You are aging terribly as one day people will look back in disgust of how the multi-millionaire/billionaire class authoritarians spend a fortune attacking the rights such a marginalized, misrepresented micro minority of humans, rather than helping making anything better for the ordinary people, to mitigate the problems the world is facing with climate and sustainability instead, but choose to embrace lord of the flies on a grand scale instead.

I couldn't love any of you more! Thank you so much for being positive voices for our community x

@ashpearce8239

3 жыл бұрын

@transwomen are sexist men please, tell me how bad stereotypes are by starting a sentence with 'all transwomen'

Thankful for the conversations.

30:00, you think it's completely misguided to suggest that disrupting someone's hormones in puberty, couldn't lead to adverse problems somewhere down the line? That sounds naive. Also, why shouldn't kids' desires to potentially have children in the future be taken into consideration, especially if hormone blockers could affect that ability?

@pb1105

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting points, but a few things dont make sense to me.

@yuseonahya

3 жыл бұрын

sounds like you want puberty blockers so the disruption is avoided, thank you for your progressive trans rights take

@liambishop9888

3 жыл бұрын

Forcing people into an unwanted gender role is the genuine disruption

@PedanticPig

3 жыл бұрын

You can suggest it, yeah, of course it's sensible to be cautious where kids are concerned. So that's what they did, then studied it, found it didn't cause any major problems, and so approved it, because the alternative is sending kids down a path of life-long irreversible changes to their body that they don't want. Now, if you keep suggesting there might be all these problems despite being told that, that's where it becomes misguided, because then it comes across less as genuine caution and more as ideological opposition to standard healthcare.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

So I don't know what you think doctors are up to, but I promise this is all considered and talked about, just like literally any medication

Thank you Owen, means the world to us young trans people to have SOMEONE on our side.

@viscountzarathustra5400

3 жыл бұрын

I am genuinely on your side as another human being but this a very difficult thing for a lot of people to accept blindly. Im pleased your truth and focus has been found to be correct, i doubt this is true a 100% of the time and that is what we have to be careful about. There seems to be an inclination at present on the left to just blindly support without accepting that every human being makes mistakes, especially in there youth.

@feeamerie5011

3 жыл бұрын

Us old, knackered, Gen X trans folk got your back too

@billhicks8

3 жыл бұрын

@@viscountzarathustra5400 Don't accept it blindly then, research it and realise the science supports the legitimacy and support of trans people

@ceciliam1313

3 жыл бұрын

@@viscountzarathustra5400 there is no support that starts with a "but". And yes, read more on the issue...it is fully described medically. No feelings involved. Only your mainstream British media does not report about science.

@lauramartin5579

3 жыл бұрын

❤

There's a really interesting discussion to be had about Transgenderism and the mind/body split, unfortunately it'll never be had soon because of the activists (both sides). As a straight white CIS male, I wish all people who find themselves in that unenviable position the very best.

@jonathanwarner1844

3 жыл бұрын

The trans activists are just the ones who fight back. There's no both sides in this.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

If we didn't have to fear hate crime and jump through dozens of hoops to get our paperwork and healthcare in order, maybe we'd have time to have that conversation.

@b9y

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 Why do you think there's so much paperwork needed? Stop trying to make serious things easier to access for those who've been warped in to this. You may not have, but some kids and adults have been.

168 people on their computer in their pants disliked this video.

Leave the kids alone.....and then nobody would care...adults make adult decisions. .

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody is trying to convert kids, but trans adults started out as trans kids, and refusing to help a kid who is suffering is not okay.

@emmahalsey32

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 um?

It's mostly a very fringe minority with an obsessive fixation and a small army of sockpuppets. They're ultimately not worth worrying about IMO.

@jackiebiggs7071

3 жыл бұрын

Except of for a supposedly 'marginalised' group they have enormous power backed by billionaires ( read Jennifer Bileck). Can you think of any group in recent history which has coerced governments to change laws and legislation so rapidly without either public consultation or referendum. Can get people fired from jobs get people canceled from universities fb Twitter and other social media platforms for exercising their right to free speech, not hate speech just the right to speak. Change language etc. A marginalised group, I think not. Its the trans industrial complex and it's worth billions.

@claire4486

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackiebiggs7071 J K Rowling

Thanks for this Owen. I really dont get the so called "feminist" transphobes. Im old, radical,socialist and feminist. Theyre not. Bigotry is bigotry. It harms, it victimises

@waterlily5947

3 жыл бұрын

Let's hope you don't end up in a nursing home being bathed by a burly bearded 'laydee'

@lauramartin5579

3 жыл бұрын

Its so reminiscent of the homophobia and misogyny of the past (and present) in England. Solidarity with all opressed minorities everywhere. Oh and anyone who is transphobic out there shd maybe do research, read books and look inwards as well. They might be surprised by what they can learn

@lauramartin5579

3 жыл бұрын

@@waterlily5947 why not? Lets hope you do. You might learn some gratitude. Just saying...

@claire4486

3 жыл бұрын

@@waterlily5947 I worked in care for years, you do know men from heavy industry have worked in care homes for years as only jobs available. You have allot more chance of a big burly man doing your personal care than a transwomen.

@PedanticPig

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your support! ^_^

A cracking panel, fantastic discussion. I know I have a lot to learn yet!

Unfortunately, Owen, your interviewees don't help your case as much as you think.

If you were a British trans person and you felt unwanted in Britain is there any other country that comes to mind where you could move to? I feel like people who are on the political left always take such a negative view of Britain when in reality we’re pretty much the best country in the world when it comes to leaving people alone to live however they want to.

@deefjohnholler

3 жыл бұрын

canada is more tolerant and has better services for trans people, shorter waiting times for gender therapy and a better GP appointments system. i was in the uk for 45 years so i have used both services.

@erisi6204

3 жыл бұрын

Canada, the USA depending on state

@stho9459

3 жыл бұрын

Transylvania near Central Romania is very welcoming. It's been really enlightening for me. So hospitable and no judgement.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

A British trans woman successfully sought asylum in New Zealand because of British transphobia

@stho9459

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 untrue

How do you square gender being a social construct, in the case of non binary people and gender being innate, in the case of trans people?

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

I think you've misunderstood things. Trans people have all sorts of views, not divided by gender (eg. Some nonbinary people feel its innate, some trans men and trans women feel its a social comstruct)

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

Or eg. Who I am is innate, and because of who I am, I relate to the social construct of a particular gender identity

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

And many nonbinary people consider themselves to be trans

@marcadams440

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 I understand that people "feel" different ways, but there is objective truth. There is a mechanistic way that gender functions, we just don't understand it. It can't just be that whatever you feel is true is true, because as you've demonstrated there is no consensus even within the community.

@marcadams440

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 But they are objectively not. We know what transgender means, it is a person who wishes to, is in the process of or has transitioned from one gender to the other.

Such an important conversation. Thank you for this.

I wasn't looking for this video it popped up in my feed for some reason, im transgender and I live in swindon, I can honestly say apart from one incident I've never had any transphobic issues put against me, I have a son and he hasn't had any issues either with me being who I am, I can't say It's a bad as people say it is, where I live had allsorts of cultures and diversities and its not exactly the best place to live either according to statistics but I just don't see the transphobia to the level which is claimed!?!?

@sophiepooks2174

9 ай бұрын

Guess it is alright if you are middle class or transitioned early, most who do don't face street harassment only the same as any attractive woman does, but how do we know you are even trans? anyone could say they are just for effect. to score points for the oppressors, check out what is happening in the USA and Russia too with anti-trans rhetoric and 400 bills of which 80have passed including winding back "trans panic" laws.

Look at the hate And vitriol JK Roling got for the crime of having an opinion. Things like that are why people arent all for this community. It's the our way or nothing attitude won't win folks over. Making up words or changing the meaning of words and when people don't play along they're accused of transphobia. Everyone Live as you please but the minute you start imposing on others thats when problems begin

Somehow you just don't keep me interested ever in your topics

Why is Owen Jones so rampant in Britain?

@hollies5841

3 жыл бұрын

He triggers certain types.

@Chris-ef4lw

3 жыл бұрын

@@hollies5841 What types would they be?

@artemiswallace8716

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-ef4lw your type apparently.

@Chris-ef4lw

3 жыл бұрын

@@artemiswallace8716 What type am I? And what makes you think I'm triggered?

@billhicks8

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-ef4lw "what makes you think I'm triggered?" Hahahaha

People can do whatever they want and be whoever they want to be, additionally as long as it done privately or respectfully people don't have to like it.

@sophiepooks2174

9 ай бұрын

Why are so many spending so much money and time on pushing for legislation against freedom of expression then?And to demonize all those who do exercise that human right in Britain's so called free/demoncratic society?

I dont care what people think or do just dont push it on me.thats how i live my life.each to their own and all that.

@joseph1845

Жыл бұрын

Yes but keith you must change your language or you are a hateful biggot! You must call a cat a dog.

Would Love to see a debate with Owen Jones and Graham Linehan. I think its important to talk and not just bash each other.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

Don't reckon platforming obsessive cis men is going to help anyone

@liona6185

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 Do you think OJ would be willing to appear on Glinner's channel?

@sophiepooks2174

9 ай бұрын

There is nothing to debate, poor Graham fell down the far right rabbit hole completely obsessed with the idea he is right in denying trans folk their valid identity and human rights, he even lost his wife and kids over this obsession with trans women because they couldn't stand him anymore, going to the dark side eventually consumes peoples souls.and so he may never snap out of it same as JK such a shame both were brilliant at some stage.

Madness of Crowds By Douglas Murray Excellent Read 👍

If the motor in your car is broken do you take it to the body shop?

@DanSirGalahad

3 жыл бұрын

And then refer to it as a motorbike

@jonathanwarner1844

3 жыл бұрын

@@DanSirGalahad Do you see the difference between men and women as the difference between a car and a motorbike?

@DanSirGalahad

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanwarner1844 I’m not comparing men and woman. I’m comparing men and woman with people who think they’re what they are not

@davidparry5310

3 жыл бұрын

@@DanSirGalahad Trans men are men. Trans women are women.

@Ceeckoful

3 жыл бұрын

You honestly saying it's better to replace the brain? Fk Ur conversion therapy.

Transphobia is an extremely overused and misused term right now.

@thelostboy916

3 жыл бұрын

All 'phobias' are overused. It's a phoney pathologising of healthy human instincts.

@lauramartin5579

3 жыл бұрын

Why? Explain

@karenxhill

3 жыл бұрын

@transwomen are sexist men Your username is literally transphobic but go off

@calabai

3 жыл бұрын

The oppressor doesn't get to define what is oppressive or how it is described by the oppressed, let alone prescribe limits on the usage of the terms.

@WillyJunior

2 жыл бұрын

@@calabai Sorry but the theory that society can be split into "oppressors" and "the oppressed" is a marxist theory and as such should be dismissed as dangerous nonsense. Read some history.

The analogy of abortion is flawed. It would only be analogous if we were talking about children under 16 consenting to abortion. Also we know the long term effects of abortion, we don't know the long term effects of cross sex hormones.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

under 16s do get abortions, thats the point. And we're talking about puberty blockers, which are used often and safely for cis kids who hit puberty too young, and which aren't the same as cross sex hormones.

@marcadams440

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 This is what the government website says about abortion for under 16's - You need your parents’ consent. But if there are special circumstances you should contact your GP or a doctor at an abortion clinic. The doctor will then decide whether you fully understand the consequences of your decision to have an abortion. Doctors have a duty of confidentiality to their patients. So they will not inform your parents about the abortion unless you agree. - Sounds like puberty blockers have been brought in line with this. Do you think there could be any long term medical effects from stopping puberty in otherwise healthy children. I understand that it may be the case of doing what is least bad for the child but it's not like it's a trivial issue, it's complicated and therefore out of the reach for a child to comprehend.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcadams440 you clearly don't know about any of this so why bother weighing in? You think you know better than trans people when you don't even understand what the situation was or what it changed to

@marcadams440

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 What do I not know about? Do you disagree with what I have written above? I think leaning into standpoint epistemology as the basis for your argument Is a foolish route to go down. You have to actually demonstrate why I am wrong, not just say I'm not trans so therefore am wrong, it's lazy.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

@@marcadams440 did you actually read any of my replies or just guess what I said

Boring boring boring....

what is trans-phob-ia anyway?

@stho9459

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure. Perhaps check Google?

@ebflegg

3 жыл бұрын

Everything is transphobic

@walkblessed445

3 жыл бұрын

An irrational aversion to trans people.

@ebflegg

2 жыл бұрын

@Nobody You Know Come again?

Your earnest solemnity is revoltingly insincere.

Never noticed it tbh.

Totally not sold that transphobia's a big issue in the UK. The vast majority just want to get on with their lives, it's only when activists try and take things away from others that issues arise. For example, calling women 'cis women' and advocating that powerful bio men should take part in womens sports. Arguing against that then causes people like Owen and Benjamin Butterworth to call us transphobic

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

Cis is just an adjective thats faster than saying "not trans" Nobody is advocating that "powerful bio men" join womens sports, there's regulations and hormone requirements that nobody disagrees with, you just want to ban trans people from competing.

@robbiepethicksrightear3352

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 that's quite a statement to make about me when you've never met me! I don't want to ban trans people from competing, I just don't believe in unfair testosterone advantages. And you saying that cis is a quicker way of saying non trans, they're not non trans they're 'women'. I support trans rights but not at the expense of women

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

@@robbiepethicksrightear3352 cis is an adjective, its not necessary all the time just makes things easier in some conversations. It doesn't change who they are as women or take anything away, its just like saying short, or white, or funny. Those aren't new categories of women they're just describing something about the women. There are guidelines around trans people competing in sports which are scientifically guided - for sports involving cardio, 2 years of hormones tends to align all womens performance - participants are generally assessed individually in line with guidelines. What we can't do is assume that every trans woman automatically has an advantage, because for many sports the science says otherwise.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

@@robbiepethicksrightear3352 maybe you have been misled on this and genuinely want what is best in sports, I can believe that, but the people putting forward some of the ideas you're repeating here are sugarcoating their desire to exclude trans people from public life, finding the most reasonable sounding concerns, and pretending nobody has researched those concerns.

@LilyKittyCatto

Жыл бұрын

i literally had to move away from the city i grew up in because i was attacked for being transgender. yea transphobia is not an issue at all

I must say that I don't like this new woke version of "Last of the Summer Wine." It was more like "Misogynist's Question Time." Still it's nice to know that Compo, Cleggy and Foggy are still going. Or is that George Roper from George & Mildred?

I've recently finished Abigail Shrier's Irreversible Damage. Excellent book. 10/10 would recommend.

@jennosyde709

3 жыл бұрын

If you recommend that book, then you have irreversible brain damage. It is a complete joke, and only someone with an IQ in the negatives could actually read it without noticing the enormous number of contradictions and bad sources.

@jennosyde709

3 жыл бұрын

@Charlie Francis Yes, and it was terrible.

@tysondennis1016

3 жыл бұрын

The only irreversible damage is to the braincells.

@sophiepooks2174

9 ай бұрын

Cass Eris completely factually and rationally debunked this in great detail as the absolute transphobic smeg bile it is.

I have fantastic news: Transphobia is not rampant in Britain. The reason that some perceive that Transphobia is rampant and most do not, is related to whether the assessment is related to a demanding of acceptance compared with a judgement of the level of tolerance. In the same way, Cambridge University has recently judged that free speech (the right that underpins all others) is best served by demanding "tolerance" rather than the "acceptance" of the views of others.

@hollies5841

3 жыл бұрын

Hate crimes are not the same as tolerance without acceptance. If hate crimes are increasing, it suggests tolerance is lacking not abundant.

@robertharwood8460

3 жыл бұрын

@@hollies5841 Hate crimes are recorded according to whether the victim "perceives" hate, the recording of these incidents makes no attempt to differentiate between any perceived lack of acceptance as compared with a lack of tolerance. It is certainly difficult to deal with a less than total acceptance, as it is tolerance is the best one can hope for as the demanding of acceptance would only result in a lack of sincerity

@ukkev7056

3 жыл бұрын

@@hollies5841 New hate crimes are being invented all the time. And so hate crimes are going to be on a constant rise.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

Have you thought that maybe, just maybe, the people from the group affected might know a liiiittle bit more than you do, and aren't imagining things?

@robertharwood8460

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 I have considered that, but have you? Hate incidents can be recorded by anyone, based on their perception of how someone else may or may not be impacted by perceived hate. We would need to ask a representative sample solely from the affected group to get a real understanding. How do we know that increased recording of hate incidents are not just people being offended on behalf of others?

Three men defining feminism and what it is to be a woman. No change then..

@lauramartin5579

3 жыл бұрын

At least you got Freddie right

@lauramartin5579

3 жыл бұрын

@P no

@karenxhill

3 жыл бұрын

You really tried 😂😂😂😂

It's not 'so rampant', you've just lowered the bar so much that simply QUESTIONING an idiology is deemed as discrimination.

Unfortunately I can only like this video once

There's bound to be a lot of transphobia, when Stonewall says a 'trans-woman is a woman, no debate'. It's not exactly a logical statement, and anyone asking a reasonable question about it is 'transphobic'. It's become an utterly meaningless, overused word.

THIS Is NOT a Debate where are both sides👀👀, this is OJ's Trans Fan club.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

Given that recent court rulings against trans people have happened with Zero Input from trans people, I think the "both sides" ship has sailed

@BellamyBlue

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 Trans groups had the chance to provide evidence and they declined, because they have no evidence - they just chant the cult doctrine.

@lauramartin5579

3 жыл бұрын

No this is facts vs uninformed bigots

Gay people never claimed they could change sex. TRAs claim you can. You can chemically alter your outward stereotypical gender appearance. If you could change sex then at some point the transition would be completed but it never is. Saying this is not hate speech or bigotry, it is not factual to deny the binary reality of biology and yes there are anomalies but they are differences of sexual development not a different sex.

@davidparry5310

3 жыл бұрын

There is no 'binary reality of biology' when it comes to biological sex.

@PedanticPig

3 жыл бұрын

You can change sex. Modern scientific advances mean various sexual characteristics can be and are changed. That's trivially true. The only ones that can't be have barely any relevance to anyone's everyday life. You just pretend it's impossible because it makes the ideology you're clinging to untenable.

@jackiebiggs7071

3 жыл бұрын

@@PedanticPig 😆you go for it but surgical enhancements aren't a change of sex. Stop the drugs and what happens but if it makes you feel happy believing you can go for it however those of us who know differently will continue to know otherwise.

@jackiebiggs7071

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidparry5310 didn't you get taught how babies are made.

@davidparry5310

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackiebiggs7071 You already admitted that the sex binary is false in your original comment. A binary, by definition, has two, and only two, possibilities. Any acknowledgement of differences in sex development is an implicit concession that there is no sex binary.

Seriously I've reported at least five comments on here as hate speech. Can you get a comments mod Owen?

@Showbizboy

3 жыл бұрын

Yes give us an example.

@jangomoonstomp

3 жыл бұрын

@@Showbizboy have fun looking for yourself, there's several, off you pop.

@emmahalsey32

3 жыл бұрын

Hate speech? I hate apples...

@feeamerie5011

3 жыл бұрын

@@Showbizboy @darren gregg The pinned comment has two in for starters. Make an effort. I know reading must be hard on your dormant grey matter but if you get stuck on any of the long words I'll be happy to help. 🙄🙄🙄

@jangomoonstomp

3 жыл бұрын

@@emmahalsey32 how do you feel about transphobia more to the point? You got any useful contributions to make aside from defending nasty people saying horrible things?

Facts and reality are transphobic.

@davidparry5310

3 жыл бұрын

The facts and reality that conclusively demonstrate that neither sex nor gender are black and white?

@BellamyBlue

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidparry5310 If sex is a spectrum, can you name some of the other sexes along the spectrum, apart form male and female? Thanks

@karenxhill

3 жыл бұрын

They literally are the opposite 😂😂😂

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

@@BellamyBlue there's all sorts of bodies in the world, im sorry that you lack imagination or the ability to google intersex conditions

@SpenceJS87

3 жыл бұрын

Cope

It isn’t.

It's cause we all penguins mate

@frankshailes3205

3 жыл бұрын

Oooo Kaaay...... (retreats rapidly)

@Dessydd

3 жыл бұрын

Am a women I want to be male I then became male Then have a child From myself Am a penguin

@Dessydd

3 жыл бұрын

Love penguin sssssss

@Dessydd

3 жыл бұрын

No wonder people can't compute

@Dessydd

3 жыл бұрын

And am the moist open you can get

Transphobia isn’t rampant. Just saying someone’s transphobic, in a fruit loop lefty kind of way, doesn’t make anyone transphobic.

@LilyKittyCatto

Жыл бұрын

i had to move from the city i grew up in due to transphobia. not just verbal abuse, physical abuse too. but hey, some cis guy said transphobia isnt rampant so i guess that never happened to me, must have been a crazy dream, a really crazy dream because i even had injuries!!!! please stop trying to invalidate trans people when you have absolutely no idea what we go through.

Giving consideration to the future reproductive capacity of thousands of children is... “Icky”? Yeesh

@Lumidingo

3 жыл бұрын

I don't see why it's any of your business, really. It is icky to obsess over that. That's their decision to consider for themselves, it doesn't have anything to do with weird busybodies online.

@fp9596

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lumidingo That falls down at every step. If it’s not the public’s business then it can’t be yours or pressure groups’ business either. That’s public discourse, and especially when it’s from a Public Health Service. You inserted the word obsession here. Also, given that reproduction is central to our very existence and an inability to have children when a couple wants one can be so devastating to so many I don’t think it’s unreasonable to at least focus on the issue. You do realise that by insulting critics as “weird busybodies” you would lose the argument, if of course you actually had one to present

@basilenze9791

3 жыл бұрын

Please, what is the time stamp when they said that? I cannot watch the whole video because of time but would love to see that

@Lumidingo

3 жыл бұрын

@@fp9596 You are correct, my argument is literally that it is none of my business, none of your business, none of the public's business and none of any pressure groups' business either. It is a personal issue to be determined by the patient, their guardians if necessary, and the medical practitioners involved with their care. That patient should be the sole arbiter of their body. If you want to argue that it is your business whether some stranger is to be prohibited from the possibility of treatment that may affect their body in some way you find distasteful, I'm sorry, you are a weird obsessive busybody. That's really gross to violate personal boundaries in that way to impose your own demands on strangers. It's simply none of your fuckin' business and I have no doubt you would feel intensely violated if the same standard of interference was directed at you. Rank hypocrisy at work.

@lauramartin5579

3 жыл бұрын

@@fp9596 which pressure groups? What are you actually talking about?

It’s not

This was a one-sided debate in which no one with an opposing viewpoint was chosen to speak. Why doesn't Owen Jones have the courage to speak with people with an opposing viewpoint?

@PedanticPig

3 жыл бұрын

It's not a debate, it's a discussion; not everything has to be debate 24/7. And Owen has spoken to plenty of people he disagrees with, in the last month alone.

@claire4486

3 жыл бұрын

What are you the BBC? DIdn't he say a trans perspective on why the UK is so transphobic.

@deefjohnholler

3 жыл бұрын

his latest videos were with piers morgan and then peter hitchens.

@jennosyde709

3 жыл бұрын

You mean like the entirety of British media on the subject of transgender people? Where transgender people are almost never actually platformed and transphobic beliefs go unchallenged?

lol, not many people watching

@SusannaSaunders

3 жыл бұрын

Evidence perhaps that most people don't care about this issue? Or the people impacted by it?

Because Brits understand basic biology and don't want to erase women's rights for men who want to play dress up? I wish we were like the UK here in the States. We accept every bloke in a dress who says he's a woman.

@amess3921

2 жыл бұрын

I've never seen such a blatant and unapologetic misunderstanding of the basic fundamentals of a topic, but go off I guess.

@reverendcoffinsotherson5807

2 жыл бұрын

@@amess3921 it's the truth. A man cannot ever be a woman.

@sophiecearnaigh4850

Жыл бұрын

@@reverendcoffinsotherson5807 you look like a nonce, so...

Oh give it a rest Jones. We're all sick to death of your victim groups.

@deefjohnholler

3 жыл бұрын

owen is a gay man. he belongs to a group who are the victims of hate speech and violence sharing his platform to support others because that is what solidarity is. i think you are on the wrong channel if you prefer punching down.

Transphobia really isn't a big thing.

@SusannaSaunders

3 жыл бұрын

Try living as the opposite gender for just ONE week then come back and say that again.

@karenxhill

3 жыл бұрын

The data suggests otherwise

@karenxhill

3 жыл бұрын

@Brighton That is literal scientific data

@SusannaSaunders

3 жыл бұрын

@Brighton I transitioned...

@LilyKittyCatto

Жыл бұрын

why was i physically attacked for being transgender earlier this year? and on top of that faced constant verbal abuse? i had to relocate from the city i spent my entire life in because of the incident where i was assaulted. its so infuriating that people like you who have no idea what trans people go through are trying to invalidate us

"Transphobia?" You mean, understanding biology and accepting reality?

It is important for the trans community that Elliott Page exists. Why when there can be more divergence within a community than between different communities. I just don’t agree with the logic and the problem with the logic is that it demands 100% agreement otherwise you are classed as transphobic. We have to agree that transphobia is ‘rampant’ not mild, not moderate ‘rampant’. We have to agree to pronouns whether someone wants to change their physical appearance or not. It is so authoritarian.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

"Boohoo I have to learn some basic etiquette and take trans peoples word for it on how bad their experiences are"

I oppose trans rights, but I don't support attacking trans people

@gxrlboi

3 жыл бұрын

How do you justify that one to yourself lmao

@yusufalmutaealim9831

3 жыл бұрын

@@gxrlboi because its haram And not scientific

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

Opposing our rights is what leads to us being attacked, you can't pick one or the other its cause and effect.

@yusufalmutaealim9831

3 жыл бұрын

@@cfor8129 I disagree

If only owen would listen to women’s points of view without immediately thinking they are transphobic.

@zoozbuh

2 жыл бұрын

Cis women (and men) are the only ones who get airtime to talk about this issue in British media. Have you even seen the typical BBC News or Daily Mail article about trans people? MORE TRANS PEOPLE actually need their voices heard, they are the ones going through this. Trans rights does NOT erase cis people’s rights whatsoever.

@lf4576

2 жыл бұрын

@@OohTarquin mmm, I think he would though.

Transphobia rampant in the UK? Slight exaggeration there

@SusannaSaunders

3 жыл бұрын

You do live in the UK right?

@ashpearce8239

3 жыл бұрын

at least one trans woman has been able to seek asylum from the UK so.... yes, it is.

@Yetaxa

3 жыл бұрын

every single major newspaper is institutionally transphobic, there are multiple powerful transphobic groups influencing government policy I don't even believe it's actually as widespread as it appears, but the transphobes are absolutely in control of it

24:39. The right kids get put on puberty blockers !?! Whaat, like Keira Bell? This speaker has lost touch with the facts.

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

One person regretting transition doesn't disprove a general trend of people benefiting from it

@murraystenhouse8469

3 жыл бұрын

@@keyboarddancers7751 what does science have to say on it? I'll trust scientists over a horde of ideologically driven lawyers any day.

@murraystenhouse8469

3 жыл бұрын

@@keyboarddancers7751 you didn't answer the question. I'm not asking about how a group of lawyers who likely already have strong personal biases feel about this. I'm asking what the scientists, who should be strongly impartial, say about it.

No one is watching you we are all over at the Voice of reason 🤔😂😂😂😂

@sophiepooks2174

9 ай бұрын

Fashists gonna fasch keep licking the boots of the authoritarians who want trans to dissapear back into the closet, like they did in 1934.

Whilst I believe transgender should not be bullied or attacked I do not agree with all these diverse pronoun labels and identity politics. I just hate the words TRANS BINARY and LGBT. I would imagine you now feel normal so be normal and stop bringing so much attention to yourselves. I have same views over the Black Lives Matter movement with its far left ideals.

@ginaritchie451

3 жыл бұрын

your disphoria for words or social justice is nothing compared to the disphoria of living in a society that denies you your human rights based based on the color of your skin or who you love. you are the one using these words in block capitals. you are the one making a scene. it is your behaviour that is the attention seeking behaviour, not ours. basically you are fragile around any reminder that there are other people in the room. what do you have to lose but your anger and ignorance by educating yourself about what it is like to be black, or gay or trans in a world that bullies and attacks you for just using the pronouns that best describe who you are. merry christmas!

@amess3921

2 жыл бұрын

That is the worst thing I have ever read. Congratulations. I could feel you throwing your tantrum as I read further into it.

Problem with a title like this is you close off any debate that you may be wrong. And I'm not saying that you are but if you are adamant that there is a transphobic right wing media then don't you think you'll be blind to any reasonable argument that contradicts it?

@cfor8129

3 жыл бұрын

This is a general consensus in the trans community, saying "but what if you're wrong!" is like going "but what if the UK trans community are confused, lying, etc"

What a lazy and disingenuous conversation. Absolutely no attempt to actually address any of the concerns or arguments against the trans ideology . But I guess that is your prerogative when you have absolute moral superiority on all things, anyone who disagrees simply must have been radicalised! The whole thing was laughable.

@claire4486

3 жыл бұрын

Calling it a Trans ideology is radicalisation Is just people living their lives. They want to remove a group of peoples rights to a private life body autonomy and to be free from humiliating degrading treatment etc. As for single sex services the answer is update change services and facilities not remove someone's rights. It's a political ideology to place restrictions on someone's everyday movements because they don't conform to what you believe.

@pauledchampion

3 жыл бұрын

we're not an ideology. we're real, breathing people, and we deserve rights. trans women are constantly villified, trans men are helplessly infantilised, and nonbinary people are treated as if they don't exist. we have to wait upwards of 60 months just for the first appointment at a gender clinic, while you get to live your life the second you're born. why do you get the right to live, and we don't? what is so fundamentally different about us? i was born to two parents. i had a childhood. i went to school. i'm willing to go out on a limb and say we both struggled against society's expectations of us. we may have ended up on different paths, but we are both human. i am the same flesh as you. i am the same blood as you. the only real difference between us is that you were born in the right body, and i wasn't. you will die eventually, KZread user 'Lau V'. what will your legacy be? what will you leave behind but ashes and decay, the dust of recycled homophobia, rehashed to marginalise an entire group all over again? you'll leave only broken, frayed memories in the hearts of your descendants who will openly condemn you. they won't attend your grave. they won't care for your ashes. is this the hill you want to die on?

@jennosyde709

3 жыл бұрын

Lau, please explain how "trans ideology" differs from "gay ideology" that homophobes used to promote. I am interested in hearing your answer.

Because its funny

@myguy155

3 жыл бұрын

Love the honesty 😂