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@Limestone.1

3 ай бұрын

The Josef Mengele persona suits you.

@MartinKinsella-xg2dg

3 ай бұрын

@@Fish_And_Chips_Dudea human being in a dress is still a human being

@allmodcons2274

3 ай бұрын

​@@Fish_And_Chips_DudeA bloke in a dress is a transvestite. Different to transgender. Get educated on the social contract of gender.

@purrple.shadows

3 ай бұрын

Owen the comments here are not really about trans issues, they attack you because of your position on Israel's conduct.

@KL-kn4lz

3 ай бұрын

Why? So you can just delete challenging comments? Everyone needs to read the Cass Review for themselves. Your house of sand is crumbling.

How is The Guardian doing on trans issues nowadays?

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

Opposed and has been since Alan Rusbridger moved on.

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

@@Coelacanth1 WHAT?! The Guardian hasn't published a peep against trans people and trans people were not even an issue when Rusbridger was there. You numpty!

You are a big reason why I stopped reading the guardian and paying a voluntary subscription.

@JohnJames-kw5de

3 ай бұрын

Me too

@ireallymeanthis2760

3 ай бұрын

​me too!

@crazyorganist1609

3 ай бұрын

Same here.

@marieorritt8115

3 ай бұрын

And me. He's so woke he's fallen asleep again.

@ireallymeanthis2760

3 ай бұрын

@@marieorritt8115 🤣

23:32. The audacity. That is what your side is doing, even making up words and changing definitions one-sided to fit your utter unscientific claims.

@PRINCESS-zz3wq

Ай бұрын

Typical gaslighting.

Deregulation of the pharmaceutical industry sounds like some libertarian nightmare 😳😰

@itube027

3 ай бұрын

And yet it’s not the libertarians calling for this 🙄

@EnglishTMTB

3 ай бұрын

​@@itube027 Correct. And nor, this time, is it the authoritarian right - although that has been the case in the past (and we all used to mock Iran for claiming it had no gay people...). No, this was from the authoritarian left in the West - that demanded nobody be allowed to question the lack of scientific and intellectual rigour. We're surrounded on all sides by incompetence right now.

@KommuSoft

3 ай бұрын

The essential idea of libertarian and liberal values is that everything should be as unregeluated as possible, so that is not a nightmare, that is eventually where the liberal/liberterian "ship" heads to, perhaps with a few bumps, but the ultimate destiny.

@omp199

3 ай бұрын

@@KommuSoft "so that is not a nightmare" - Non sequitur. The fact that you want it doesn't make it not a nightmare. Without regulation of services, countless people will be irrevocably harmed. In my experience, libertarians don't give a toss about people being irrevocably harmed as long as it is isn't the state doing the harm, so maybe that doesn't bother you, but if you actually have a conscience it should bother you quite a lot.

@KommuSoft

3 ай бұрын

@@omp199 : well it is funny that thee people get harmed with their conscent. In Belgium there was a documentary where a transgirl showed she had to take hormones to prevent osteoporosis, she is thus a pharma-customer for the rest of her life. The funny thing is, she changed here mind, but does not regret the surgery since she said it was necessary back then. So these people are victims, that funny enough fully support that. You have to admin, that i hilarious.

The trans person the BBC interviewed about his experience on Radio 4 News had to wait six years for an assessment and nine years for treatment to commence. No 'rush' there, actually the lack of access was his issue.

@-__Shadow__-

3 ай бұрын

And? 90+% of people with dysphoria grow out of it by 25 if left alone.

@silver4831

3 ай бұрын

​@@-__Shadow__-Says who?

@user-mk3rz6yu2h

3 ай бұрын

Surely the sheer number of people that must be on a 6 year waiting list shows you how many people are rushed into referral?

@johnnylatham9738

3 ай бұрын

@@user-mk3rz6yu2h no, it's because they want to be sure

@autumnjacaranda106

3 ай бұрын

@@user-mk3rz6yu2hno. No that isn’t implied at all. What?

I interviewed my cat and apparently he doesn't like mouse. What a shock. I could never expected that outcome 😮

I hate that I have been watching (and greatly appreciating) your coverage of Gaza for weeks now, but have still been constantly expecting the other shoe to drop, simply because of your accent and my awareness of the way that trans topics have been approached in the UK in recent years. Thank you for proving me wrong, sincerely. Regarding the double-blind subject, our study of medicine has a long history of deeply abusive practices being used in order to confirm the efficacy of treatments and other efforts, and unfortunately laypeople tend to have an extremely limited knowledgebase on the methods that have been developed over the years, to create a more ethical medical field, and as a result will often cite this specific method en masse, because its the only thing they know about, even to the point of pressuring people who know better into demanding double-blinds in cases which the professionals know are not appropriate.

@absolutelycitron1580

3 ай бұрын

Very big same! I saw the thumbnail and was prepared to unsubcribe but after watching my heart is warmed

@ciastomarchewkowe7103

3 ай бұрын

It is true that often, double-blind RCTs are not appropriate. I wouldn't demand an RCT on the effectiveness of parachutes. But, the problem with the quality of evidence in gender medicine is not just about the lack of double-blind RCTs, or any RCTs - overall, the studies are badly designed, study samples are small, and some of the recent studies with bigger datasets and better methodology don't seem to support previous findings.

@Flemrora

3 ай бұрын

@@ciastomarchewkowe7103 examples? Cause unless your talking about the "previous findings" referring to the supposed 80% detransition rate, none of the legitimate work I have seen, which has been actually looking at these topics, has been suggesting a recent shift in our assessment of outcomes. Do remember, I do not consider a survey of parents to be a legitimate study of trans people, it is only a study of parents of trans people, and their own ideas about things. I also do not consider work that was directly tied to previous DSM criteria, for a similar but not the same diagnosis, to be pertinent, given that the changes which were made with the DSM criteria have substantially narrowed the diagnostics.

@ciastomarchewkowe7103

3 ай бұрын

@@Flemrora I mostly referred to the suicide rates and the recent finnish study (Ruuska 2024) showing no difference when controlled for psychiatric treatment, as well as seemingly no impact of gender affirming treatment.

@chrish5184

3 ай бұрын

Why are RCTs inappropriate for puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones?

Wouldn't it be relevant to bring up desistance rates in this conversation?They're over 50% (extract number depends on study), and that implies we don't have any predictable way of separating trans people from confused people. Shouldn't that be a concern for advocates of puberty blockers?

@MillieVanillie38

Ай бұрын

He also brought it up with Dr Aidan Kelly around the 11 minute mark if you care about his opinion. Note that nobody is refuting that the desistence rate is incredibly low.

@lukebowman1345

Ай бұрын

Desistence rates for children not on puberty blockers are between 55 and 85% depending on the study. Quite a lot of people dispute the notion that desistence rates are "low".

@MillieVanillie38

Ай бұрын

@@lukebowman1345 I will add another reply so that my point is 100% clear (sorry to have added so many): characterising children as transgender is very tough, but puberty blockers are the right choice even when it turns out that a child is cis- since the time provided by delaying the onset of puberty should be sufficient in order to allow that child more clarity before they choose whether to proceed with their body's puberty or not. My point is that the desistence rate is irrelevant in regards to children on puberty blockers (hormones are a different story), because blockers do not cause permanent physical changes and puberty will resume when the drugs have been stopped. So blockers are the right course of action for children displaying a desire to transition, even if that desire later fades away and the child turns out to be cisgender- where stopping the drugs will cause their puberty to resume and desisting children would be able to go through the puberty they wish to, just as kids who turn out to be transgender would. Blockers also require parental consent and a lasting pattern of gender non-conformity or dysphoria. Which, in addition to the above facts, show that they are a treatment for children who MAY want to transition- not just children who do eventually transition.

It would be super funny if the Tories brought back conscription and everyone under 25 used this study to get out of serving.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

3 ай бұрын

Interesting point! ;) Of course, that says more about the Tories than anyone else.

@glasp-q8n

3 ай бұрын

My kids are like, 'I couldn't be drafted because...' and I'm like, nah, they are going to say 'We are totally inclusive now and if you can take a bullet for us, then you're in!' Could come true sooner than we think.

@maya-amf3325

3 ай бұрын

I don't think it would be funny at all if they brought back conscription and anyway the age of conscription has nothing to do with child development. Conscription isn't driven with much wellbeing in mind it is driven by the national existential imperative.

I've not read the Cass report but I did read Time To Think* and I was concerned about the implication made of diminished capacity in autistic people. It wasn't explicitly talking about individuals with issues around capacity but just generally implying that it is irresponsible to allow autistic people to make decisions regarding their own healthcare. *Edited to correct book title from Buying Time to Time To Think. Two very different books.

@hoopoe9629

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for mentioning this! This is a huge issue extremely relevant to ROGD and hardly mentioned in mainstream media!

@llkoolbean4935

3 ай бұрын

It's not about autonomy so much as the issue about influence.

@nathanlevesque7812

3 ай бұрын

@@hoopoe9629 relevant to a myth?

@countessmargoth469

3 ай бұрын

@@hoopoe9629 ROGD is anti-scientific nonsense designed to convert (which is impossible) or unalive trans youth.

@hoopoe9629

3 ай бұрын

@@nathanlevesque7812 eventually, I believe, the truth will be clear and obvious

Here in Qc, a 'reporter' for the state media went to a *private* clinic to inquire about receiving trans healthcare, then raised the alarm about how the service was too fast.

@Alexis-sn5cf

3 ай бұрын

A similar thing happened here in the UK a couple of years ago; a journalist went private, lied about being trans and wrote a piece saying how it was too fast. Funnily enough, I saw the exact same psychiatrist who diagnosed me a few months later haha

@absolutelycitron1580

3 ай бұрын

Dufuq is too fast]? Also prove it.

@matthewbrady1562

3 ай бұрын

​@@absolutelycitron1580 Most people change their mind when they grow more mature.

@teranelson826

3 ай бұрын

​@matthewbrady1562 That is an often repeated lie, the vast majority of people(98-99%) who transition remain transitioned and happy with their choice to transition.

@BENTWOONEZERO

3 ай бұрын

@@teranelson826 Were did you get that figure ?

Thank you for doing this Owen. Your blanket coverage of Gaza while covering a very important issue was ignoring the deaths here in the UK caused by the Tories privatisation at all costs policy which is currently killing 250 people a week as they wait for hours for ambulances or months (years even!) for treatments. A privatisation policy which Labour & Wes Streeting wholeheartedly supports even though “recruiting the private sector to help NHS waiting lists” is nonsense as they use the same pool of staff & charge more for the simplest procedures (so they can make a profit for their shareholders). With the election looming we need to make restoring our socialist public not-for-profit NHS a key priority for voters & politicians alike. Or many more of us & our loved ones will die needlessly in agony.

This is a horrible healthcare situation for all. Thank you for speaking out.

@KL-kn4lz

3 ай бұрын

Have you actually read the Cass Review? One of the main points is that there is a lack of evidence based treatment. So yes, you are right, it's a horrible healthcare situation.

@emmadebeer8134

3 ай бұрын

Of course there's a lack of evidence when you discount the majority of the evidence. I could make an effective argument against the existence of the sun if I recorded all my data from a windowless basement

@explosivempire

3 ай бұрын

@@KL-kn4lz Yeah it turns out of you just ignore 98% of the evidence then there just isn't that much evidence, who would have thought

@KL-kn4lz

3 ай бұрын

@@explosivempire Please direct me to this 98% of evidence which has been ignored. Seriously, where/what is it?

@explosivempire

3 ай бұрын

@@KL-kn4lz the 101 studies in the report that the authors decided to dismiss showing the effectiveness of gender affirming care

The Cass Report, "on the surface, makes sense." He rebuts this with the fact that some people question whether or not trans people should have access to [trans] health care at all and doesn't know how [the Cass Report] will make trans people's lives any better. The Cass Report will stop people from getting experimental medication until it's proven to help.

@danidrinx7842

8 күн бұрын

Puberty blockers aren't experimental & it depends on how you define "help" one of the major issues with Cass is that they misunderstand from the beginning why trans kids use puberty blockers. PB's arent meant to improve a trans kids bodily image or their mental health, they just prevent the child from further deteriorating. We know that trans kids who get puberty blockers stay where they're at while the kids who didn't see significantly worse mental health outcomes.

What is the Study of the german speaking countries called?

I'm not going to lie I've been in a bit of a state since the yesterday. I came out at around 15 and the process for me getting HRT was arduous. Counter to belief there are many barriers between young trans people and accessing healthcare, and they exist long before you step foot into a gender clinic. Keep in mind this was now about 15 years ago; the services i might have accessed as a girl are no longer available to people coming out today, its got harder not easier. I didn't get any treatment until my early 20's. That is because of a process called RLE - I ended up living socially as female for many years until I got my physical transition needs met. During that time I was constantly expected to justify myself to anyone who asked. I had to demonstrate I was not some sort of fetishist to panels of male doctors, I had to prove I was mentally sound enough to consent to treatments that are routine all over the world, I had to show a willingness to be suitably demure and feminine and pretty enough to transition. It was a process that has left me with a frankly broken self image, forcing me to constantly self scrutinise in a way nobody else is expected to do in order to get their healthcare needs met. I've been medically transitioning for a long time now having jumped through all those hoops. Fortunately puberty was light touch for me and I pass well now. But I still am painfully aware of all the ways my body masculinised in the years between coming out and accessing HRT. Its like looking in the mirror and seeing scars measured in millimetres of bone. Except the scars are invisible to everyone. In fact all of this is invisible to people; people generally see just an ordinary woman and do not understand the amount of medical mistreatment I endured to get to this point. To me those features that changed because I could not access puberty blocking medication as a girl are not simply physical signifiers of testosterone fuelled development, they're a reminder of how I was let down by parents, institutions, doctors. And how I was thrown into a medical system designed to break people so that only those who suffer the most can access care. I wear all that on my body. I am extremely bleak feeling to think how many young people are already enduring that, and moreover how much more brutal things are going to get for people going forward. I am thinking of 15-year-old-me and how she deserved better, and how as time goes on things get worse. And I am so, so terrified of the day when my ability to access the care I went through such much to get is withdrawn. Because I think there's a very real chance that in the next few governments (assuming they actually last a full term, this time) trans healthcare across the board will become near inaccessible. I've not been able to do anything today, I've just been feeling this huge weight on my shoulders. Thinking about how I waited for so long, and how in some ways I am still waiting for some transition related healthcare services 15 years later, only to find the society I live in so eager to take it all away again. This stuff saved my life. I'm exhausted. And I am so frightened about how far this flavour of social conservativism might go in brutalising us. I am making plans to leave the UK asap and advising any trans person who will hear it to try to do the same, this country is not a hospitable place for women like me.

@CaptainBollocks....

3 ай бұрын

Try Thailand, oddly very conservative AND more welcoming. Though tr@nz folk there still have their own issues, it is NOT anything like it is here in the UK.

@Flemrora

3 ай бұрын

I wish I had some inspirational quote or safe place to recommend, but I dont, all I have is the knowledge that you are not alone, and the hope that together we can find our way to a better world for all of us. Best of luck, wherever the path takes you, and I hope it treats you better than now, and our past.

@KL-kn4lz

3 ай бұрын

Women standing up for our s*x based rights is not in turn creating an inhospitable place for "women like you".

@mae6683

3 ай бұрын

I live in rural USA and our stories are almost identical. I've been feeling the same way about everything too and honestly you said a lot of what my brain hasn't been able to think through and process. Thank you, I feel a lot less alone right now.

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

@@KL-kn4lz How do you feel about the very real possibility of people taking their own lives for the misery being caused?

27:25 laughing my head off at him saying "it sounds like common sense" but somehow bs his way into disagreeing

Marked to listen to this carefully when I have time.

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

It's not exactly challenging. It's a grifter and two deliberately clueless ideologues trying to pretend there's nothing to see here.

Thank you once again for standing up for us. One of the only voices in the media who does. ❤

@nathanlevesque7812

3 ай бұрын

hear hear

@kril859

22 күн бұрын

Thats a cap and a half

Thanks for a really informative video again with really insightful interviews, it makes a big difference as a young trans person to see this stuff even from an independent broadcaster like yourself regularly. I did I guess know a lot of what they had to say already about the broader issue, but I needed some actually useful analysis on the report itself which is not going to come from the BBC and certainly not Murdoch's lot. I hope things do get better, especially on the healthcare front for both the adult and children's service, from personal experience in Scotland, a lot of practitioners in the system are doing what they can, but as always comes down to staffing and ultimately resources. As some feedback, I have noticed in some of your monologued videos you can repeat yourself a lot and maybe it's because I know some of the information already that it sometimes bothers me. I do really think you shine as an interviewer especially when you can find people who don't get asked as often as they should and have a dialogue, and there the repeating of points helps get back to the topic at hand and answer a particular question if a guest goes on a tangent. But overall great vid!

@ambientjohnny

3 ай бұрын

A woman, is an adult human female, it is not an "identity" or a feeling, dress, attitude etc., that whole line of thinking is regressive in the extreme. Claiming there is some "essence" to "womanhood" that also males can access, but the reality is that women do not have to look or act any certain way, or act out some ludicrously sexist idea of the “social role of a woman”, all females who reach adulthood are women regardless of how they feel or look, and the one thing they ALL have in common, the one experience they ALL share, is that they are FEMALE, they do not have to "identify" as anything, they physically ARE women because they are female. Why should MALES be allowed access to SINGLE-SEX spaces reserved for FEMALES based on their "gender identity"? If sex and gender are separate, then a male announcing his "gender identity" is "trans woman" does nothing to change their sex, they are still MALE - so why should they be afforded rights reserved for the opposite SEX? The movement is regressively sexist, and misogynistic. Why do you believe females do not deserve any spaces free of males? What is hateful about upholding female sex-based rights that were fought long and hard for? Believing sexist stereotypes define men and women, instead of their biological sex, is unquestionably sexist to the core, because you are saying men and women are not actually free to behave however they want but need to conform to these sexist stereotypes in order to be men or women - if you say no they don't have to act any sort of way as a man or woman, and being a man or woman has nothing to do with biology - then what are you describing by calling someone a man or woman? If you think it doesn't describe biology, and doesn't describe anything about their looks or behaviour, then what on earth are you basing defining anyone as a man or woman on??? Why would a man need to become a "trans woman" in order to be their "authentic selves", why can't they just be a very feminine man and dress/act however they want? If trans ideology isn't sexist, then why would a man ever need to "transition" if either sex is completely free to act however they want? How can you claim to be opposing sexism when the whole basis for anyone feeling the need to transition, literally is sexism? How is gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? Or simply their PERSONALITY? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

You should read the report itself, rather than seeking out "analysis" that tells you what you want to hear. For what it's worth, on the basis of this video and having gone over the report myself, Owen Jones hasn't read it. McConnell hasn't understood it. What it contains seems to have taken McConnell by complete surprise, presumably because like you, McConnell has opted to live in an echo chamber on this, dismissing everyone who has been trying to raise concerns as bigots and fascists and transphobes and blah. Aidan Kelly, as has been amply pointed out in these comments, has a whopping great conflict of interest because he runs a private clinic which relies on 'gender-affirming care' in order to make money. To you, as a young trans person, I can only say I'm sorry you've been so badly let down and misled, not least by Owen Jones here. I wish you all the best for the future.

@NigelFartzirage

3 ай бұрын

@@lewreed1871 you’ve not read the report either or at least you’ve not understood it. You’ve cherry picked and twisted parts to fit your narrative.

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

@@NigelFartzirage "you’ve not read the report either or at least you’ve not understood it." Straight back at you. It shows.

I’m sorry for my society screwing up, so many peoples lives through ignorance

@cornishsea

3 ай бұрын

Medical review by the NHS of questionable science is bad... 🤔

@truthsearcher596

3 ай бұрын

I agree. Religion will be rightfully eradicated by 2100.

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

It is actually religion that has launched this moral panic, the same religion that wishes to turn the USA into a theocracy

@paulhammond6978

3 ай бұрын

@@cornishsea Questionable review of the NHS by people with an anti-trans agenda? Absolutely that is bad.

@nathanlevesque7812

3 ай бұрын

@@cornishsea questionable on a political basis, which should be irrelevant

I was also concerned about the way they described neurodivergence, particularly autism. It relied on stereotypes. We deserve bodily autonomy as neurodivergent people, and we’re much more diverse in terms of gender and sexuality- but so what? Also suggesting we don’t mature until 25 is ridiculous. Autism is a vast spectrum. I’m concerned this will be used to deny gender affirming care, when decisions should always be made on an individual basis.

@salsapixie

3 ай бұрын

@@xelix5358 I’m not arguing against a holistic approach at all. All kids need to be assessed individually, but the review suggested that autistic kids don’t know their own minds and bodies and regurgitated autistic stereotypes.

@_Sakidora_

3 ай бұрын

@@salsapixie Children as an entire group don’t know their own mind which is why they cannot consent, to sex or sexual mutilation. Being autistic just adds to the problem and is one of the reasons they latch onto this abusive nonsense.

@xelix5358

3 ай бұрын

@@salsapixie The report accurately flags the so-called 'child-led' approach as a problem. The uncritical assumption that the chlld always knows best was a huge failure across all child groups.

@nakedenby

3 ай бұрын

All children referred to gender clinics should be assessed for autism and all children referred to autism clinics should be assessed for gender divergence. If they have both then they should receive care for both equally, not with conditions attached. Autism is never an excuse to delay or withhold gender care, that's disgusting. It's long been known there's a strong correlation between autism and gender (and sexuality) variance. Autism doesn't 'cause' gender variance - the reasons for the link are likely multi-factorial. But it doesn't matter. An autistic person can be gender divergent, or gay - end of. They are just as entitled to be trans as anyone else. Autism isn't curable so they're gonna be waiting a long time for things to change! Next they'll be suggesting people can't be gay if they have autism or can't be depressed if they have autism. Things can coexist quite happily. This 'looking for something to blame' is so damned transparently transphobic.

@katiePetsy

2 ай бұрын

The human brain doesn't fully develop until mid 20s. It's not specifically targeting people on the spectrum

Can anyone say exactly where in the Cass Review the authors "de facto raise adulthood to 25"? I have the full text and can't find anything of the kind.

@bolldamm3966

3 ай бұрын

@@lewreed1871 👍

@samanthapatrick4345

3 ай бұрын

Have you read all 400 pages?

@bolldamm3966

3 ай бұрын

@@samanthapatrick4345 No, but I've searched it quite carefully, especially the chapter on consent and competence, and can't find anything to suggest the authors want to raise adulthood to 25. Can you point me to the place where they do that?

@samanthapatrick4345

3 ай бұрын

@@bolldamm3966 Well until you've read the whole thing how do you know it's not there?

@bolldamm3966

3 ай бұрын

I didn't say it's not there. My original question was whether anyone could help me out. Does that bother you?

Sorry, so if I am undersanding this correctly, if only 1% of people treated detransition, this would mean the success rate for treatment is 99%!!! In which other area of medicine is it ever so high?? What better evidence that the treatment works!!!!

@akgfilming

3 ай бұрын

exactly

@karl34m

3 ай бұрын

What is the pathway to detransition and how would it be recorded? Detransition does not require medical intervention, most just blend back into their original form, apart from the mutilations and amputations.

@KL-kn4lz

3 ай бұрын

Many clinics didn't follow up on patient care so the real rate of detransitioning cannot be know. Stop spreading lies.

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

@@KL-kn4lz Which clinics, for the one I attended conducts annual follow ups

@laziri95

3 ай бұрын

​@@karl34mmutilation and amputation are very strong and loaded words for precise operations developed for over a century

What we never discuss is the fact that every single type of treatment and surgery and medication has complications. We don't say well because some people regret having knee surgery then knee surgery should be illegal. We just warn people about all the potential risks and allow you and YOUR DOCTOR to make that decision. Trans healthcare should be no different. Also I might add about puberty blockers, blockers are already given to children all the time who experience early puberty. I do not think its a stretch to say we should allow it for trans kids also, given the evidence suggests its overwhelmingly positive on the well being on trans people.

@Shalanaya

3 ай бұрын

Well said, for trans children it can be a matter of life and death. We have done a psychological approach since the 1970's, and it did not work, because a physiological condition/handicap can not be treated psychologically. Trans people are born in the body of the opposite sex due to the hormonal exposure in the womb.

@robynrox

3 ай бұрын

I've been through bottom surgery (vaginoplasty) and ongoing hormone treatment. At every stage, clinicians took extreme care to warn me about the risks, and these decisions are indeed taken jointly. No matter who you are, no matter what your age, you cannot unilaterally decide to go on hormones or have surgery. I'm 50 and I started my transition when I was 46. I've seen four psychologists as part of my care (one private, three on the NHS) and my surgical pathway involved several discussions of the possible complications. In the case of puberty blockers, the parents would obviously be involved as well as this care happens under the age of 16, and my understanding is that the effects of puberty blockers are virtually completely reversible - their on-label use is to treat precocious puberty and they are simply used to delay puberty until an appropriate age is reached in that case. So I don't think trans healthcare is in any way different from any other form of healthcare. I have a feeling that I was better informed of the risks than I would have been had I needed a knee replacement.

@Holder4567

3 ай бұрын

These comments are extremely concerning. I see you continue to ignore the CASS review findings. This is why we need laws to protect children in the UK from people that continue to push the Trans ideology. Defund Stonewall.

@stonedzebra420

3 ай бұрын

​@@Holder4567the only thing concerning is the nhs caving to bigotry from people like you. Get out of my mentions.

@stonedzebra420

3 ай бұрын

​@@robynroxBless you and hope you continue to receive the care you need. I'm not from Britain but I follow the situation in your country closely.

What is going on in the UK???

@slacktoryrecords4193

3 ай бұрын

Common sense is finally starting to prevail? The once-captured organizations and politicians are backpedaling? The grown-ups are beginning to take charge again?

@NigelFartzirage

3 ай бұрын

@@slacktoryrecords4193 no, Britain is going full on post Weimar Republic. In both language and action.

thank you for talking on this

Do humans have a right to go through puberty and mature into adulthood? Both mentally and physically?

@SisterAbdullahX

3 ай бұрын

Not in Owen’s world!

@queenvagabond8787

3 ай бұрын

Do people have a right to pause puberty to think about if thats what they want? Going through puberty was a hell for me, I would've done anything to stop it, but in the 90s there was almost no way to receive that treatment if you didn't have the language and the cultural awareness to explain what was wrong. Being forced through an unwanted puberty is cruel and unusual punishment for trans people.

@stefrost4029

3 ай бұрын

Trans people do go through puberty when given hormones. Also, there's a big difference between having the right to do something and being forced to do something. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

@queenvagabond8787

3 ай бұрын

@@SisterAbdullahX Thats not true, there is very little evidence to suggest that there is any permanent damage. There is *some* evidence that there is perhaps a little loss in bone density for *extended* use of blockers without begining HRT, but I do agree there should be more research done. I wish I had the chance, when I first started experiencing puberty at age 15, that I could've stopped it. I wanted it stopped at the time, and if it had been, it would've saved me a lot of bigotry and hatred in my adult life.

@RelativelySaneStudio

3 ай бұрын

Nobody is forcing anyone to stop going through puberty, it's about giving people a choice.

Where is the evidence that detransition is extremely rare? How is this data being reliably collected?

@slacktoryrecords4193

3 ай бұрын

It isn’t.

@hoopoe9629

3 ай бұрын

@@slacktoryrecords4193 exactly. This sudden explosion of experimental treatments for gender dysphoria is an obscene exploitation of our most vulnerable young people, most of whom have multiple mental health diagnoses, and even disabilities, by big pharma and medical conglomerates. Owen has done excellent work on Gaza but is way off the mark here.

@RelativelySaneStudio

3 ай бұрын

It's not hard to find the data on this. A little research tells me that "in the UK a survey of 3398 attendees of a gender identity clinic found that just sixteen - about 0.47% - experienced transition-related regret. Of these, even fewer went on to actually detransition and become detransitioners." - from a 2019 EPATH conference. And there are plenty other studies with some different numbers, but all quite low. Highest I saw was 8% from a study in the US, but this was cited as being mostly due to financial and social pressures. Do some research of your own before criticising the stats.

@hoopoe9629

3 ай бұрын

@@RelativelySaneStudio what percentage of attendees drop off the radar and are thus not included in the numbers?

@RelativelySaneStudio

3 ай бұрын

@@hoopoe9629 idk look it up yourself if you're that interested.

If I want to get tattoos all over my face, nobody can legally prevent me from doing it in case I change my mind. Do I need a 7 year wait list, to get a psychiatric evaluation, and to be signed off by 2 doctors to get a vasectomy?

@slacktoryrecords4193

3 ай бұрын

Are you a child?

@queenvagabond8787

3 ай бұрын

@@slacktoryrecords4193 Irrelevant. Trans kids dont get surgery, dont get hormones. At the most they *might* get blockers *if* they start to experience the signs of puberty and are distressed by it. We also use blockers for cis kids with precocious puberty. The effects are ultimately reversible and the worst 'side effects' are a *possible* reduction in bone density, but nothing that has been shown to be particularly concerning. No-one is forced or encouraged to get blockers, its an intervention to *prevent* irreversible changes at too young an age. With puberty evidentially occurring younger and younger in our children, this is a concern we should take to heart. Do you really want your kids to go through puberty at age 8? Because that is happening more and more. Kids in Scotland are able to vote, marry, start learning to drive and live independently at 16. They are able to advocate for themselves in court and for their medical rights in other areas. Why should trans kids be denied that? Blockers give kids breathing room, thats all, so they don't *have* to feel rushed or pressured.

@666izzy

3 ай бұрын

Many tattoo artists won't tattoo people's face or hands, in case the person regrets having their skin inked and want to be able to cover it up. So, while you can't be legally prevented from having your face covered in ink, you will have to hunt around to find somebody willing to do it.

@teranelson826

3 ай бұрын

@slacktoryrecords4193 These are the requirements and wait lists for adults, not children. To be honest, minors have similar wait times and requirements, but they also rightfully have age requirements and parental approval along with the 2 doctor sign off.

@marcadams440

3 ай бұрын

You do have to meet certain criteria to get a vasectomy, and you have to complete an evaluation. This is done in case you regret the decision. You couldn't have chosen a worse example.

Will you debate with Andrew Doyle

@magpiemorris8844

3 ай бұрын

Yes please

@markrussell3428

3 ай бұрын

​@@magpiemorris8844 Doyle wouldn't lower his standards. How do you debate a liar?

@magpiemorris8844

3 ай бұрын

@@markrussell3428 all the better to have the debate I reckon. If someone is fibbing they need calling out. I'd love to see Owen debate Douglas Murray too

@markrussell3428

3 ай бұрын

@@magpiemorris8844 Come on - that's like like having a 4 year old debating someone with a PhD. You get the same result: Owen rolling on the floor bawling.

@magpiemorris8844

3 ай бұрын

@@markrussell3428 you're not wrong XD. It might humble OJ and change the minds of some of his followers, but I know Owen has actively avoided debating Douglas Murray sadly

Have to disagree with you on this Owen. I am in favour of the Cass report. Too risky to start giving children drugs that have no long term research and can do harm. Many children who think they want to change sex turn out to be gay. Having gender dysphoria does not equal being trans. No one is attacking trans but they are safeguarding children.

@MillieVanillie38

Ай бұрын

percocious puberty has been treated by these same blockers since 1993- the standard of evidence Cass suggests we need for these is unattainable because you cannot do double blind studies on children. do you disagree with providing puberty blockers to gender questioning children in order to delay their puberty until they can decide whether they want to go through it or not?

@tonycairns6728

24 күн бұрын

​@@MillieVanillie38Precocious puberty is a physical health problem, and can be dangerous if left untreated. Puberty isn't stopped, but is paused until the individual reaches a safer age. It can't be compared to Gender Dysphoria, which is currently a 'Mental State' under the DSM - not even a mental disorder.

Did I hear that correctly? A "legitimate discussion" over whether trans people should have healthcare?

@allmodcons2274

3 ай бұрын

Daily Wire bs in my view.

@headdown1

3 ай бұрын

Well I guess it depends what you call "health care"? If I go into a doctor's office and tell him I want to surgically remove both arms because I have always felt like a parapalegic, should the doctor refer me to a surgeon? Or to a mental health professional? What if the doctor knew that most people with my mental condition also had higher levels of other emotional issues like depression, autism, etc? is there a "legitimate discussion" to be had as to whether the doctors should cut off my arms or help me get some mental help? Gender dysphoria rarely occurs on its own. It is usually one of several mental issues at play.

@allmodcons2274

3 ай бұрын

@@headdown1 And you know this because you are a therapist of a particular specialist area? Or more, the talking points of folk with a particular agenda?

@emmadebeer8134

3 ай бұрын

​@@headdown1 Do you really think that changing gender is the same as a life changing physical disability?

@melize7035

3 ай бұрын

Giving CHILDREN castration medicine is not healthcare.

I have just had a great idea why do we not just not treat anyone under the age of 16,18 or even better 25 for anything this will literally save the NHS😂

It seems that everyones life is a challenge in one way or another I find people like Diana cooper on KZread talking about the new five dimensional age and other things Uplifting and inspirational in this life Lots of love everyone Colin Owen love colin

It's time to start naming names of the people who supported this . . . the BBC, Channel 4, the Guardian, Owen Jones, all Graham Linehan's old friends such as Graham Norton, Stewart Lee and more.

@larzy5249

3 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly!

@YourLocalGP

3 ай бұрын

Stewart Lee was such a disappointment

Society ; Be your best self Society ; No not like that.

@KL-kn4lz

3 ай бұрын

Yes, be your best self. Your lot: Remove healthy body parts, sterilise youngsters, create life-long physical health conditions and life-long medical patients (kerching!), long term little-to-no improvement in poor mental health, confirm disassociation oh and not forgetting anorgasmia and so much more! GTFO. The world is waking up.

@vre7474

3 ай бұрын

Stay away from the kids

@mscheurk

3 ай бұрын

If 'being your best self" means: being an amoral, egotistic hypocrite...then, no. Your rights end when the rights of others begin.

@haylidumont

3 ай бұрын

@@Mr.JoeBangles The problem is that your (failed) understanding of objective, material reality, is extremely rigid, lacking the required neural plasticity to integrate newer and more complex details into your previously 'basic' or 'rudimentary' knowledge.

@sophiepooks2174

3 ай бұрын

@@vre7474 Every accusation is a self report. statistics prove child predators are usually trusted members of the family or social groups not random trans women.

Appreciate hearing all the arguments, counter arguments, and counter-counter-arguments. Perhaps the difference between the need for high quality research for the safety of hormone treatment for gender dysphoria (whatever forms that may take) and the need for high quality research for the safety of morning sickness medication is the (I suspect) relatively higher level of contention and disagreements for the gender dysphoria treatments than for the morning sickness treatments. The more contention and disagreements, the more the need for research for rapprochement to settle the debates

There's something much more sinister going on when you debunk the whole review.. Especially in regard to the puberty blocker bans for under 18s (now available in a place near you in Scotland too)

@lindsayball5080

2 ай бұрын

He's a shill puppet.

Thank you, Owen. Really needed this, this week. It's been one awful hit piece after the other in my news feed, since the "report" dropped. It was starting to feel very lonely and hopeless, but you're still here and still willing to speak up for us and set the record straight, which I hope you know is hugely appreciated 💜

@lw1zfog

3 ай бұрын

it’s not impossible to escape from cult like thinking

@Jennralize

3 ай бұрын

@@lw1zfog Hopefully anti-trans folks will realise this at some point in the future.

@chrisbfreelance

3 ай бұрын

You are a lost cause.

@lw1zfog

3 ай бұрын

@@Jennralize ‘aNtiTRaNs foLKs’ 🥴🤦🏽‍♂️🤡

@haylidumont

3 ай бұрын

@@lw1zfog Don't you have some other middle school children to pick on?

can someone link to detransition rates? The claim on one side is that the evidence says it's very low, while the other side says the number is higher.

@prismpyre7653

3 ай бұрын

and who do you think is telling the truth; the people who lie about literally everything else?? From NHS funding to Brexit to historical facts you know.... and the entire scheme of who they count as trans or not, and therefore who they count is a 'detransitioner' is totally twisted and perverse-- IE, they will look at a child who is not trans but who just has interests or behaviors outside of cultural norms (say, a boy who plays with dolls or paints his fingernails) and when that kid grows up and doesn't transition... because they AREN'T TRANS.... these swine will look at that kid and count him as a 'de-transitioner' or 'non-transitioner' who has been 'cured'... these are just the same creepy weird pervy patriarchs spouting the same nonsense gender ideology they always have and forcing it upon everyone they can and classifying anyone who deviates as a 'problem' whether it's physical, social or cultural deviation

@LouiseBrooksBob

3 ай бұрын

It's in the Cass Report. Detransition rates are extremely low.

@cfor8129

3 ай бұрын

The disconnect comes from self-report vs ppl who have left a particular healthcare service being classed as detrans. For example, despite the fact that I never reversed my transition (nor do I want to), I am in stats somewhere as detrans bc I ended a hormone prescription.

@avirtualcanvas7584

3 ай бұрын

The de-transition rate is indeed low it's actually 0.1%,The Cass Report hsa got it slighly wrong,but the report that the percentage is low,sdaly it's the Terfs and their alies that put uo the deliberate misinformation the the transition rates are much higher and use debunked myths ans studies to try and give their misinformation credibility,but the reality is tat te actual detransition rate is really low (matt)

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

I looked that up earlier to discover the agreed incidence of occurrence with respect to child gender transition is 0.5 to 1.3% - of which is 0.4% lower than the incidence of occurrence for intersex people - of which was the reason I was looking given I know intersex people have to use transition services to fix what doctors broke and take hormonal directions different to the limited stipulated.

I don't know enough to say whether the Cass report is solid or not and agree that we should take care. A positive, small consolation though it might be, we now have two quite different approaches working here and in Europe. This should give us better data on what works best and what does not. It's hardly surprising that politicians grab at this as a fig-leaf to cover their own lack of knowledge or concern.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

3 ай бұрын

What puzzles me is that opponents of trans care aren't interested in what trans people have to say about it. They're the ones with the experience, they've gone through it, yet apparently, they don't matter. The low rates of de-transitioning, which is most likely caused by prejudice among family and community, suggest that the process isn't invalid. Still, care needs to be taken in each case. Opposing transition is a waste of lives.

@daveisbrill

3 ай бұрын

​@@Leszek.Rzepeckiall we want is for you to keep your hands off minors. You can do exactly what you want otherwise. But for some reason you are literally determined to get kids involved, even though you KNOW kids as a whole get confused and almost all grow out of it.

@robertmarshall2502

3 ай бұрын

​@@Leszek.RzepeckiWhat puzzles me is how little interest those in favour of transitioning children put into the actual medical research. There are zero clinical trials supporting any of this. The very basis of the "affirmative care" approach is that post-op trans ppl have terrible outcomes. But none of you guys have ever read the Dutch protocol study. Red flags everywhere. The Tavistock tried to repeat the experiment and got NEGATIVE results.

@ExpendableRedshirt

3 ай бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki Yes I agree. The disregarding of the bulk of data that we have is worrisome, but again, I'm no statistician.

@amandamcgovern5744

2 ай бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepeckihave you read the report? There was endless consultation with trans ppl. I don’t understand what you mean by this comment… it’s like you’re saying.. “If we look at objective data there is no evidence for these treatment for minors but bc I, anecdotally, feel transition helped me… my personal subjective experience should override a systematic review of the evidence.” I mean did you even transition as a child? It’s like there’s a real inability to perspective shift for many in the trans community

Nice job!! Morning sickness is great example - pass me the thalidomide!!!! This was the reason trials are done before you apply a process broadly.we seem to have forgot that and are experimenting

@markrussell3428

3 ай бұрын

The statement is NO hormones ZERO until you are old enough to live with the consequences.

@markrussell3428

3 ай бұрын

Freddy I don't give a F about you and other trans people. You made a decision. Live with it. The point is get away from children. Do that and people might have respect for you. Your crowd lost respect of

Why do you think it is appropriate to conduct medical experiments on minors? If the evidence is inconclusive then err on the side of caution. You don't provide any reasonable criticisms nor evidence to support your criticisms.

@Angelic_Storm

3 ай бұрын

And what do you know, my detailed reply going into why the scientific evidence very much isn't "inconclusive" has been removed by KZread's haphazard algorithms. Yet it's always transphobes with their victim complex, complaining that their comments are being removed by KZread because of so called "stifling of free speech"... sheesh.

@ambientjohnny

3 ай бұрын

@@Angelic_Storm A lot of "trans" identified people are literally homophobic!!! A homosexual male, a male with same-sex attraction, will deny being gay under the guise of "identifying" as a "trans woman" claiming their attraction to males is now somehow heterosexual. How is that NOT homophobic??? How can you claim homosexual males denying their own homosexuality is progress or in any way similar to the struggles of the gay movement??? Also, funny how you lot are perfectly fine with straight males appropriating the gay label - a male, attracted exclusviely to females, ie the opposite sex, is heterosexual, yet you have males "identifying" as "trans women" claiming they are "lesbians" when they are interested in females - how is that progress??? How is trying to redefine sexual orientation and what sexual attraction means, a positive thing???

@NigelFartzirage

3 ай бұрын

Some trans teens do awful things to themselves, however private companies will always look to make profit. It’s a very complex situation that goes way beyond experimenting on children.

@Nemo12417

3 ай бұрын

"Experiments". I don't think you know what that word means.

@queenvagabond8787

3 ай бұрын

@@NigelFartzirage That is why we need effective, socialised medicine without a profit motive, and why involving private companies in the NHS is, and always has been, a terrible idea.

I have been so concerned by the one sided reporting (all about GIDS not protecting childrens interests) in the guardian that's it is refreshing to hear from knowledgeable people discussing the report and its blind spots. Why is the Guardian so keen to avoid balance on this issue and not discuss there real issues with gender services?

I like how this video gets significantly less views than the other Palestine related topics

@Melanie-cl7cm

3 ай бұрын

I think it's just a further illustration of how most of the general public doesn't care much about the trans issue. Despite the government and the right wing media in this country trying to paint it as an important national issue of grave importance on a par with the NHS falling apart, the cost of living crisis, and the heightening tensions in the world caused by war and national conflict.

@Luckyland2014

3 ай бұрын

@@Melanie-cl7cm umm yea... It's because the middle east war is a phenomenon seen from all around the globe, unlike gender issues

Thank you so much for this, Owen. It's somewhat taken me by surprise how anxious these developments have made me, despite not affecting me directly (yet! I share Freddie's trepidation about an adult services review). Watching this has made me feel at least a little better. It means a lot having people like you in our corner, and you're right, we're not going anywhere, it's too late to stuff us back in the box now. Sooner or later, we will win!

(First half so far) Driver's license, military service and suffrage also delayed to age 25? It's infantilizing. NHS is just not providing reasonable service. To anyone. I've heard personal trans stories, both ways, in Israel. There seem to be brakes within the system. One is age and life experience. Another is a period of psychiatric counseling and hormonal therapy before surgery, when the patient can say "It's not what I really want." Every day I get loads of transphobic clips on my KZread tasters menu. People work themselves into a frenzy over nothing.

@queenvagabond8787

3 ай бұрын

And actually thats how it works here too, there are more patronising breaks on us receiving care than there is assistance. Trans people know who they are, they deserve help, and if they realise who they are young enough, they deserve a chance to pause puberty to make transition easier *if* they choose to go through with it.

@alice1374

3 ай бұрын

@@queenvagabond8787 Yep, I knew who I was from the early ages, but alas, because of one family member, I had to hide it. Only in 2018/19 I realised I needed to do something and then the referral getting through in April 2021. Still waiting because they're dealing with patients referred in late 2018 to early 2019. It's too late for me to revert the catastrophic changes now, because changes have already occurred. and I still feel the same way I did back when I was really young. So, to those people that say "you'll grow out of it" it's false. It makes me extremely mad that there's even people out there who push the "you're not fully developed yet" and "you'll grow out of it" things have absolutely no idea what they're truly talking about.

It was very surprising that seven out of eight NHS GIDS clinics refused to provide patient outcomes data to Cass despite being told to do so by the Government. Why wouldn't they want to contribute?

@Finn-gs9dx

3 ай бұрын

To protect the medical confidentiality of patients, who have not consented to having their records shared with an individual (Cass) known for her ties to anti-trans organisations and panels.

@Angelic_Storm

3 ай бұрын

@@Finn-gs9dx It's far more surprising (or not, when you realise Cass was far from a neutral on this issue before conducting her report) that the report deliberately excluded 98% of studies related to affirming care, as they showed the positive impacts of that care on the young people recieving it. The report isn't peer reviewed, and it did not include any trans health experts or clinicians experienced in providing gender affirming care in its decision-making, conclusions, or findings. On the other hand though, a number of people involved in the review and it's advisory group, previously advocated for bans on gender affirming care in the US. And that's just SOME of the huge issues with this report

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

@@Finn-gs9dx To protect confidentiality? That's rubbish. Are you in denial? Naive? Stupid, or what? They didn't want Cass to be able to trace the clinical progress of individuals discharged by Gids to adult services, thus giving a clear picture of the outcomes of people who underwent the entire gamut of the gender-affirming approach from first appointment at Gids to final discharge. They actively thwarted her attempts to complete that picture, despite being ordered to make those disclosures by a government minister. It's got nothing to do with confidentiality -- such information sharing is routine within the NHS -- and looks a hell of a lot like an attempted cover-up. Whatever it is, it's unprecedented, and they will now be formally ordered to release that information to whoever takes up the baton from Cass to investigate the provision of care for adults.

@chrish5184

3 ай бұрын

@@Finn-gs9dx One can anonymise data easily. We do it all the time in medical research.

@debbielondon1809

3 ай бұрын

@@Finn-gs9dx Rubbish...names could haveBEEN DELETED.

Yep

On a pragmatic note, we all know how this ended in 80s for us gay people. We didn’t go anywhere and trans people won’t either so the quicker bigots learn this the quicker society will move forward on this topic. Because there is no alternative, we are not going anywhere.

@jaimegonzalezrosa9463

3 ай бұрын

@@Fish_And_Chips_Dude trans community is not lobby and they are not going to disappear because of your gay friend

@briankendall2290

3 ай бұрын

​@@Fish_And_Chips_Dudethe majority of LGB people are beginning to realise the threat posed by this dangerous cult to LGB people.

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

@@Fish_And_Chips_Dude Your gay friend doesn't know Stonewall history, ya know, the event that lead to homosexual acceptance amongst the general public.

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

@@briankendall2290 A majority you say, do you have any proof of that or are you one of those that says ' most' to hide the fact you really don't know but would like to promote your own agenda?

@NixonThr336ix

3 ай бұрын

@@jaimegonzalezrosa9463 the difference being gays didn’t require a medical diagnosis to take experimental medicine or amputate body parts

Thank you, Owen. No one speaks for us and this matters so much.

@allmodcons2274

3 ай бұрын

You have more allies than the media would like to admit. This hate fever has come from the USA ✊️✊️✊️

@allmodcons2274

3 ай бұрын

You have more allies than yt or other media would like to acknowledge. 🫶✊️

@SlashRaven008

3 ай бұрын

@@allmodcons2274 I hope so, it looks pretty bleak rn. Thank you 🙏

@allmodcons2274

3 ай бұрын

@SlashRaven008 Love and virtual hugs. Cis gender 60yr old feminist. I embrace all allies to my cause chuck. Too much hate and fear, much at the wrong targets x

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

Support is great but we need to hear it in the places where it is allowed, for silence leads us to believe everyone is against us and that is, you must agree a dangerous belief to adopt.

The only journalist I've found all day that seems to actually understand the extend of transphobia. That means a lot right now. Thank you

@mariaa6918

3 ай бұрын

We are all human. Equality for all

@slacktoryrecords4193

3 ай бұрын

He’s just a trans rights activist. Of course he’s going to say everything you want to hear.

@DeRocco21

3 ай бұрын

That's what the report was saying you medically transitioned children under the fear of "transphobia" that's it the damning out come they're getting at

Gillick competence is not necessarily the same for all procedures.

Great analysis of the Cass report and bonus cat report

Thank you for continuing to support trans people Owen, especially now when hatred against the trans community is so loud and aggressive. 🏳️‍⚧️

The problem is in the name, 'Affirming Care'. Why should the outcome be determined before any assessment been done.

@danielcarlsen9228

3 ай бұрын

Because it is done before?

@gostepsenglish4431

3 ай бұрын

@@danielcarlsen9228 What do you mean?

@danielcarlsen9228

3 ай бұрын

@@gostepsenglish4431 In my country you are assessed for two years before you get access to hormones, and then other ways of coping have already been ruled out.

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

@@danielcarlsen9228 What country is that, if you don't mind my asking?

@danielcarlsen9228

3 ай бұрын

@@lewreed1871 Sweden, the whole process takes some 5-6 years if you're counting the waiting lists, which is why self-medication is so common among adults.

Why is it so hard to admit you were mistaken about trans health care for children?

@scruffopone3989

3 ай бұрын

There is a zero percent chance you've read even a page of that review because otherwise this "you were mistaken about this" nonsense wouldn't even be bothered as an argument.

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

Because rabble rousing is part of his business model.

@jonasv.c.8924

3 ай бұрын

@@scruffopone3989 You're missing the point. It's not about me not having read the Cass Review (I bet you haven't read it either). It's about Owen Jones not wanting to accept the findings of the NHS' Independent Review Committee because the findings are contrary to his ideological beliefs. That's unfortunate, because it can be reasonably assumed that the Independent Review Committee based its findings on science rather than ideology. The content of its 400-page report is based on 4 years' scientific review of the way the UK health care system has been treating children with gender dysphoria. It's the most comprehensive study about gender dysphoria among children ever done. Journalists are no medical experts. A non-expert should change his mind about a given topic if a committee of independent experts proves him wrong. But I suppose it takes introspection and modesty to admit you got it wrong.

@aleph8888

3 ай бұрын

And he supports Hamas. What a foolish man.

@stefrost4029

3 ай бұрын

Because he isn't. If you actually paid attention, you'd know the report rejected non double blind randomised control studies showing the benefits, that you cannot do these studies in paediatrics, that they are never usually required, that Cass included non double blind randomised control studies with huge errors that went against the consensus, that medical organisations, experts, and studies, are generally in agreement that affirmation is evidence based and works, that other countries disagree with the findings of this joke of a review... Why is it so hard to stop being a bigoted cultist and accept what the actual science shows?

Hi owen can u do us a favor and make a single combined video about trans people healthcare in gaza and hamas run health system under the shifa hospital ?

I think this first speaker, though he seems lovely, is hedging a lot- puberty blockers don’t mess with fertility, and that’s what youth would get, not surgery. And that is reversible/ endable, whereas biological puberty, which can be extremely distressing for trans ppl, is not. I know he acknowledges this later fact but I worry about this kind of « reasonable concern » approach to discourse that is part of a wider reactionary push…

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

@@lewreed1871 Likely he won't fold given decreased access to NHS care will push patients into private healthcare hands.

@slacktoryrecords4193

3 ай бұрын

@@Coelacanth1I guess you haven’t heard the news about the government’s plan to forbid private clinics from issuing these treatments to young people.

Great video, thank you Owen! Freddy's piece in the guardian was fantastic 💚💚💚

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

Stunning isn't it simply stunning how Cass's assertion have been accepted without publicised question or critique, to kind of lead one to conclude all those being allowed to speak out have got what they wanted

I appreciate Aidan's fair and balanced viewpoints. Very refreshing.

All I know is that I know nothing.

When the title of your video includes the word "truth" you should try telling it. I know you folks like to change the meaning of words but...

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

"Truth" has taken a terrible drubbing in their hands. Thankfully it's not easy to beat. It's been slow to come out of its corner on this, but finally, we have something like a fair fight and we're not limited to twelve rounds.

are they also goin to raise the votin age to 25?

@daveisbrill

3 ай бұрын

Most young people don't vote anyway.

@magspies

3 ай бұрын

@@daveisbrill well, that's not true. and even if it was, there's a big difference between choosing not to vote and not being allowed to vote.

@Emma-kz3zr

3 ай бұрын

That's certainly something the conservatives would love to impose. Look into the lack of equality in regards to photo IDs for voting purposes.

@magspies

3 ай бұрын

@@Emma-kz3zr 💯

@daveisbrill

3 ай бұрын

​@@magspiesif most young people voted, brexit wouldn't have happened.

Might be worth considering the rates of treatment success prior to puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and gender affirmation. In cahoots with longstanding and significant gender dysphoria 80-90% showed excellent results with successful resolution of dysphoria over time. There was never any reason to try new treatments in an unmonitored and unaudited way. This condition is not like terminal cancer when there is nothing to lose by trialling a new drug. The usual safeguards were abandoned. The trans community should be furious about this. Thank goodness young people with gender dysphoria will now get the same degree of consideration as other patients. And the same standard of care as when I was introduced to it in the 1990s.

@Shalanaya

3 ай бұрын

Hormonal therapy needs to take precedence over any psychologicaol treatment, because we already know it has never worked since the 1970's. No one grows out of being trans, lol, people take it to their grave, unfortunately plenty of ignorant people think any child suffering with gender dysphoria is trans, not even close, it has nothing to do with gender identity. Gender dysphoria can come from trauma, from hormones, from social pressures, but for actual trans people, it is genetic, we already have hard core evidences of gender identity developed in the 2nd trimester. These chldrten need to go on cross sex hormones before puberty, not even blockers!!!

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

' Thank goodness young people with gender dysphoria will now get the same degree of consideration as other patients. ' are you sure about that, for it appears the direction of travel is about denying service as opposed to improving it, of which is why the trans community remains cautious over welcoming the assertion given just how hostile attitudes have become towards an erstwhile ignored community in recent years.

@daveisbrill

3 ай бұрын

​@@Shalanayayou are lying. The vast majority of minors having gender dysphoria issues, left to themselves, become gay or straight as young adults.

@slacktoryrecords4193

3 ай бұрын

@@Coelacanth1no. Not “denying service”. The problem is with the treatment itself. Not that any treatment exists at all. If something is shown to be ineffective or harmful, why do it?

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

@@slacktoryrecords4193 Why do it, because the majority treated didn't have a problem with it, where perhaps one might be reminded of the law of the majority.

Thank you for covering this

Aiden Kelly was quite thoughtful, but his whole career in medicalisation of trans identity. He has a financial interest in this. Freddy was incoherent.

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

Aidan Kelly has just opened a private gender clinic. Damn right he has a financial interest and if a doctor's primary interest is in the care of his patients, that would be a conflict of interest. Jones and McConnell have exposed themselves as pitifully ill-informed, particularly as journalists and especially since Cass has not revealed anything we didn't already know or recommended anything new. It's just a shame it took the weight and scale of her review to get these people to pay attention.

Why compare it to abortion? Abortion? Of all things?

@samanthapatrick4345

3 ай бұрын

In some countries the right to access safe abortions are being removed

im still waiting. 3 years. School runs getting interesting

“Young people” ? Do you mean CHILDREN Owen???

@kyleinthejar6829

3 ай бұрын

Not necessarily? I’m an American while Owen is British, so maybe it’s a regional thing, but I’ve always taken “young people” to refer to anyone who’s young. It could mean children, but teens, adolescents, and young adults are also included in the term. So I’m assuming that’s the age group he’s talking about, not just children exclusively.

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

@@kyleinthejar6829 The Cass Review dealt with youth gender services, generally people 16 and under. Children. Wherever you are.

@Purpleakiindahouse

3 ай бұрын

25:26 THEYRE ALL DOING IT. she actually slips up here and corrects herself. They must have agreed on saying young people instead of “children” at one of their alphabet illuminati conventions

@stefrost4029

3 ай бұрын

Not all young people are kids. Though he does refer to 'kids' and 'children' at times. Maybe you should have actually watched it before commenting.

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

@@stefrost4029 They're discussing the Cass Review, right? The Cass Review into *youth* gender services, right? 'Youth' means children and young people, no? What part of this do you have a problem with? The majority of people seen by those services were aged 16 and under. Children. Correct? Whatever of the video, have you read the review?

Thank you for your support Owen, it's truly a breath of fresh air to hear actual support for us in the present climate. Thank you

I have much respect for trans people going forward with transitioning and being open about it, despite so much backlash and negativity from society great video Owen

@PedanticPig

3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for your support!

@obedbrinkman

3 ай бұрын

@@PedanticPig you are most welcome

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

Being out and open though potentially dangerous is our last defence.

@NigelFartzirage

3 ай бұрын

@@Coelacanth1 cisgender heterosexual male here standing with you!

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

@@NigelFartzirage Excellent, thank you

I think it should be 18, just the same for smoking and drinking in pubs.

Never usually say this, but you should give up. This is trash journalism.

@28ish. The morning sickness example probably wasn't well thought out. Like the thalidomide thing didn't happen....

@playcloudpluspc

3 ай бұрын

Thalidomide was new when the scandal happened while the current morning sickness medications have been used for decades without ill effects, these are two entirely different situations. Also, there are better processes in place as a result and clinical trials are more robust than many decades ago.

@eleanorhunt9738

3 ай бұрын

Kind of what needs to happen in the care of children with gender dysphoria then, isn't it? Rigorous trials and decent research into best practices/treatments. That's currently missing.

They make us forget about AI and lavender and were is daddy system

‘Gender dysphoria’-the mismatch between a persons assigned gender and the gender the individual internally feels himself or herself to be. The problem with this definition is that what a person ‘feels’ really is of no consequence when determining sex, as a persons sex is scientifically quantifiable whereas feelings aren’t. Feelings are fluid, vague, subject to change, open to myriad interpretations etc etc whereas biology and hence a persons sex, isn’t. I have no issue with an individual wishing to dress and act as they wish, but when ‘choosing’ your sex gives you an advantage over others (as in sport) or makes others feel uncomfortable, my tolerance ends. As for the reason for the increase in gender dysphoria, surely it’s obvious. Adolescence is by definition a period of vulnerability, uncertainty and change. Throw into this mix of problems a child is already having to deal with the latterly over emphasised question ‘are you trans?’ inevitably some will latch onto this for various reasons and feel convinced that they are.

@Shalanaya

3 ай бұрын

Gender identity is biological, it can be objectivelly determined. Definiton of sex is iodeological, gender identity is the only real thing!

@ambientjohnny

3 ай бұрын

@@Shalanaya Hahahahahaha. No. Measuring yourself against sexist stereotypes is a MENTAL PROBLEM, a problem with perspective and framing. The escalating desperation in the activist rhetoric is so blatant, it's hilarious and sad seeing you lot trying to outdo the previous months loons in how extreme you can make you claims, how counter-factual and delusional you can be. If I'd ask you just how "gender identity" can be objectively measured, you wouldn't even be able to provide an answer that makes sense.

@salsapixie

3 ай бұрын

If we discarded “feelings” there’d be no mental health services or treatment. Think about that.

@omp199

3 ай бұрын

@@salsapixie They didn't say anything about "discarding feelings". Read what they actually wrote, and don't attack straw men.

When I loose faith in humanity I watch Owen! Why do we want to tell others how to live? Let people be who ever they are. You are a wonderful person Owen!!!!

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

"Let people be who ever they are." Yes, that's what I say. So you'll forgive me if I lose my temper quite badly when I see people telling youngsters that in order to "be who ever they are", they need some "fixing" by means of a cock-a-hoop story, lifelong, debilitating (one might say devastating) quack medicine and brutal experimental surgeries. I'm sure you get the point, and "wonderful" Owen has been peddling this stuff from the start. Personally, I don't know how he sleeps at night, and I suspect he's having to keep whatever doubts he has about this very much at bay in his mind. A better man than "wonderful" Owen would have recognised his mistake and issued a mea culpa by now. Not "wonderful" Owen. He's lower than a snake's balls.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

3 ай бұрын

@@lewreed1871 I take it you aren't a gay or trans person, because you show so little sympathy or understanding. Being gay isn't the same as being trans, but we gay folk can understand what bigotry against us means.

@ambientjohnny

3 ай бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki A lot of "trans" identified people are literally homophobic!!! A homosexual male, a male with same-sex attraction, will deny being gay under the guise of "identifying" as a "trans woman" claiming their attraction to males is now somehow heterosexual. How is that NOT homophobic??? How can you claim homosexual males denying their own homosexuality is progress or in any way similar to the struggles of the gay movement??? Also, funny how you lot are perfectly fine with straight males appropriating the gay label - a male, attracted exclusviely to females, ie the opposite sex, is heterosexual, yet you have males "identifying" as "trans women" claiming they are "lesbians" when they are interested in females - how is that progress??? How is trying to redefine sexual orientation and what sexual attraction means, a positive thing???

What happens between a doctor and an adult is nobody's business. What happens between a doctor, parents and their children, is nobody's business. Why is this even an issue? It was never an issue before, but suddenly the general public are becoming armchair experts once again?

@KL-kn4lz

3 ай бұрын

What a stupid comment? Do you understand safe guarding? Patient best practice? Gold Standard treatment? Ethics? Healthcare monitoring? Patient safety?

@briankendall2290

3 ай бұрын

What happens between a patient, their family and medical practitioner is no one else's business. Never heard of Lobotomies and what was done by families and medical practitioners to vulnerable patients before the practice was challenged and stopped.

@headdown1

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. If I want my doctor to cut off both of my arms , who is anyone else to interfere? What happens between an adult and a doctor is nobody's business.

@CaptainBollocks....

3 ай бұрын

@@briankendall2290 Nice strawman. Come at me with an actual argument instead?

@briankendall2290

3 ай бұрын

@@CaptainBollocks.... that is a very concrete argument. Just as the medical practice of cutting out the ovaries to cure Women of their "hysteria" was challenged and stopped. How dare people come between a Doctor and the patient.

Presumably you disagree with yesterday's Guardian Editorial that the Cass Review was "sober and sensitive" Owen?

@Leszek.Rzepecki

3 ай бұрын

Did the Guardian bother asking trans folk what they thought of it? Of course not. That would be journalism.

@mrwevans

3 ай бұрын

​@@Leszek.Rzepecki Yeah dreadful paper, I mean what kind of writers do they have working there eh?

@Leszek.Rzepecki

3 ай бұрын

@@mrwevans Writers who don't bother asking trans folk what they think. Because trans folk are so rare, the writers don't know any, so can pretend they don't exist.

@daveisbrill

3 ай бұрын

​@@Leszek.Rzepeckithere's a huge difference between trans activists and regular trans. Like most lgbt, most trans (from what I read) don't want to be lumped in with those determined to get involved with kid's sexuality.

@daveisbrill

3 ай бұрын

​@@Leszek.RzepeckiOK, what % of regular trans people think kids should be given puberty blockers?

I don't understand why it's an nhs issue? Genuine question, not hate

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

Through the medical term ; Gender Identity Disorder of which comes as the result of medical diagnostic practices into why a patient may be suffering mental ill health that affects their place in this world. Furthermore medical research has long since discovered offering transition services to such patients is not only the most effective method of treating such mental health but is also the most cost effective. That particular research article can be found on some gender identity clinic websites. But believe it, the consideration of one's place in this world is not an idle threat in order to get what one wants, it's very real as the mortality figures pertaining to the gender diverse community sadly describe. Mortality figures I do expect will increase following this report for the structures are not in place to catch those who fall. But of course the media won't keep you informed of that likely potential

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

@@Coelacanth1 You just pulled that response from your rectum.

Please have detransitioners on for interviews. They're out there and they're speaking out.

@alice1374

3 ай бұрын

They're a loud % of the population. The rate we know is 1% the other 99% live happy, fulfilled lives. End of.

The notion of "full brain development at 25" is based on absolutely nothing and defined around absolutely nothing. Brains change throughout your life, creating and destroying neural pathways all of the time. What matters is intelligence and experience. Intelligence actually seems to peak in the mid to late teens and then goes down, depending on what types of intelligence you are testing for. Experience, by definition, increases with age, and is, really, just the nature of age restated: "age" and "experience" are the same thing. The question prompted is: "what experiences in particular, justifies being properly informed enough to make a decision"?

@Truthist23

3 ай бұрын

Someone needs to read some introductory cognition textbooks. 😅

@monicabhagwan5594

3 ай бұрын

Intelligence is not the same as rational thinking. The part of the brain that can make rational decisions doesn't complete its connections until 25. Yes, you can create and destroy different pathways throughout your life but that doesn't change the fact that children's brains are not developed enough to weigh serious things.

Living a fulfilling life should be a universal right, yet for some, the journey is fraught with obstacles-or should I say, prejudice!

@ambientjohnny

3 ай бұрын

Puberty is a human right, without it the brain/body (they are one and the same, a person's brain is not a separate entity from their body), cannot develop as it should. Speaking in terms of "wrong body", "wrong puberty" etc. is 100% anti-science, anti-psychology and it is highly disturbing that all "trans" affirming people are such egregiously shallow thinkers.

@sophiepooks2174

3 ай бұрын

Misery loves company and some people just love pulling the wings off butterflies.

Double-bind studies have been conducted on treatment effectiveness for morning sickness.

@CurtainRod

3 ай бұрын

How do you do a double-blind study about a treatment that leads to breast growth or your voice dropping lol.

Raising the age of consent to 25 will cause problems with military recruitment at the very least

@melize7035

3 ай бұрын

That’s alright.

@akgfilming

3 ай бұрын

i mean i think 18 works well but military is the last of my concerns lmao

@Coelacanth1

3 ай бұрын

@@akgfilming But not the nations concerns given recent news.pertaining to the issue of defence.

Sending love to ALL Trans people. It is so distressing to see what is happening. Especially the hate from the narcissistic author of badly written books.

@craftinghome

3 ай бұрын

Yes...she who must not be named seems incredibly bitter about people who just want to exist... really not asking for much, but millionaires/billionaires think trans people having human rights is a step too far.

@ambientjohnny

3 ай бұрын

@@craftinghome How is demanding the erasure of all female-only spaces, activities, services and legal standing "not asking for much"????? Every single "trans woman" is MALE.

@-__Shadow__-

3 ай бұрын

Coming from someone who never published a book and never had movies that were extremely popular come from those books.

@saturninebear

3 ай бұрын

@@-__Shadow__- well, this is an incredibly stupid take. You're saying that unless I have had movies made from books I wrote, I cannot have opinions. Think about what you're saying and realise how incredibly stupid that is. Defend the little NPD if you wish, but do it coherently. Otherwise keep your hate to yourself.

@-__Shadow__-

3 ай бұрын

@@saturninebear 2023 Harry Potter game sold 22 million copies. One of the most bought games in 2023. Harry Potter's first book sold over 200 million copies. That's not including the series as a whole. That is the fact. Harry Potter whether you like it or not is popular. Your take is bad, because if it was right, the facts would be in line with your poor opinion.

What's also funny is that there are quite a lot of kids who themselves have said that they were actually gay and think they made a mistake. There's also first-hand experience from whistle blowers. But your answer is to just dismiss this based on some personal feeling you have about gay culture or something like that. "Listen to trans people," you say, and then you don't when they go on to regret their transition.

Thanks Owen! Really appreciate the work you do.

It is impossible to be born in the wrong body. I wish the people who want to help children with gender dysphoria would ACTUALLY follow the science.

@124085

3 ай бұрын

How does this comment have upvotes? Gender dysphoria is a very real, well-documented phenomenon. The media would have you think that doctors hand out puberty blockers like skittles when that's simply not the case.

@ambientjohnny

3 ай бұрын

@@124085 Mental problems are NOT to be treated with physical alterations to the body - it is LAUGHABLE that all you "activists" and "allies" act as if such a fundamental misunderstanding of what constitutes proper psychological help would be some sort of standard of care - you don't actually know anything, or understand anything, but are merely parroting what you've heard which resonates with you at an emotional level. No one can be "born in the wrong body", our brains ARE our body just as much as any other part of it. We are the sex we are, regardless of what our personal relationship is with the sexist stereotypes in society. "Trans" ideology, is regressive and sexist, as there is no "correct way" of being a boy or girl, man or woman, all those terms do is indicate sex and stage of maturity - decoupling sex and gender and trying to make gender into this ludicrous concoction of personality and sexist stereotypes is beyond regressive - it actively harms people who buy into it - the idea that there is something wrong with a kid's body that needs to be chemically altered because they believe living up to sexist stereotypes is some real measure of whether they are a boy or a girl (and man or woman for adults obviously), is insanity!!! I have asked hundreds of "activists" and "allies" to explain what they are measuring themselves against to determine that they have a need to transition - NOT ONE person has been able to articulate what that is - not one person is able to distance themselves sufficiently to realise that THEY are the ones with a regressively sexist idea of what it means to be a boy/girl or man/woman and that that is the issue causing all the problems - their own misunderstanding and severely limited perspective/sexist misunderstanding of what sexist stereotypes/"gender norms" actually entail - they are not rules, they are not real boundaries, they are regressive ideas and generalisations - no one needs to live up to any such utter nonsense or feel comfortable with those stereotypes to be a boy/girl/man/woman - all those terms represent, and all they should represent, is sex and stage of maturity - by creating this whole "gender identity" nonsense, THAT IS WHAT CAUSES ALL THE DISTRESS, THIS FABRICATION OF A FRAMEWORK WHICH DISTORTS REALITY!!! No one - NO ONE - in the movement has been able to explain or articulate what this supposed "womanly essence" or "man essence" is that they feel/know/need to transition to to represent etc. actually is - yet you all actively believe in it and push for it to be accepted!!! That is ludicrous!!!

@NigelFartzirage

3 ай бұрын

@@ambientjohnny we push for it to be accepted because not accepting it is largely what causes gender dysphoria.

@ambientjohnny

3 ай бұрын

@@NigelFartzirage No, what causes that is the person's own misunderstanding/faulty framework - you lot are actively encouraging a harmful perspective - if you could step back you would realise that, but part of the problem here is the absolute refusal of your side to even consider that they could be wrong about something. The "trans" understanding of the issue is so low resolution, yet everyone involved is convinced they are thinking about it deeper than others - if only you could disconnect from the naive smugness the blatant flaws and limitations of all "trans" ideas would become apparent.

Thank you, as ever, for your support, Owen x

legal age to join the British army - 16. Up until two years ago, the legal age for marriage was 16. Seems that society is fine with treating teenagers as adults with the power of consent for some pretty serious life affecting decisions.....

@user-mk3rz6yu2h

3 ай бұрын

The reason for upping the marriage age was to protect children from abuse, exploitation, and being forced into it!!! Not sure this is the point you thought it was?! 🤦‍♀️

@user-mk3rz6yu2h

3 ай бұрын

As for the army, at 16/17 as they are only children it is a training college - i’m really not sure what relevance that has

@bengreen171

3 ай бұрын

@@user-mk3rz6yu2h The point is that conservatives have been fine treating young people as adults until now. The trans issue offends their sensibilities, and that's why they're complaining about that, rather than protesting about the age of marriage or the army. This seems to be more about their ideology than any real concern for children's intellectual ability to understand who they are. But maybe that was too subtle for you.

@bengreen171

3 ай бұрын

@@user-mk3rz6yu2h The point is that conservatives have been fine treating young people as adults until now. The trans issue offends their sensibilities, and that's why they're complaining about that, rather than protesting about the age of marriage or the army. This seems to be more about their ideology than any real concern for children's intellectual ability to understand who they are. But maybe that was too subtle for you.

@user-mk3rz6yu2h

3 ай бұрын

@@bengreen171 Im sorry but i dont see your point at all… It wad recognised that 16 was too young for marriage and children were taken advantage of.. so they changed it!!! And now you think that objecting to experimenting on children’s bodies is somehow hypocritical?? Nothing about this is subtle. Children deserve protecting

Thank you, Owen, Aidan and Freddy. This was a much-needed balance to most of the media reporting on the Cass Report.

Everything you need to know is when he said ‘so called Cass review’. Everything you need to know about Owen Jones and his BS.

@scruffopone3989

3 ай бұрын

Cry

@lewreed1871

3 ай бұрын

@@scruffopone3989 No buddy. You cry.

How many countries have to start severely restricting gender-affirming care before trans activists will acknowledge that these measures are motivated by something other than malevolence, ignorance and/or transphobia? Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland and France will soon be followed by the Netherlands (which will be abandoning the "Dutch protocol" that started it all). You can't keep claiming, like trans activist Alex Koren does, that these are the orchestrations of right-wing factions in said countries. It reveals a real ignorance of Western European politics and the power of social conservatives in Western Europe. Every single European country with a publicly funded healthcare system will eventually follow suit

Awesome discussion!

As an adult trans man on the NHS waiting list I am absolutely terrified 😢

@nataliekhanyola5669

3 ай бұрын

Of what? What terrible thing is going to happen to you because of This?

@stevielambert2552

3 ай бұрын

​@@nataliekhanyola5669not being able to get the treatment he needs for gender dysphoria

@saggyballz1161

3 ай бұрын

​@@nataliekhanyola5669they could literally be denied services or have to wait longer and longer, which causes risks on its own. Are y daft?

@Durka-Durka01

3 ай бұрын

Why are my taxes being used to perpetuate your delusions?! 🙄

@Gymnure

3 ай бұрын

​@@saggyballz1161exactly. Put in the wider context of increasing hostility towards trans people and efforts to decrease access to essential services it's a very worrying sign. A review of adult trans healthcare has also been mentioned. I feel like the real motives are less to do with 'protecting children', and more about making it harder to trans people to exist in the hope that we go away

I would invite my GB trans siblings to come over to Ireland, but all our trans health care is provided by the NHS. We desperately need to do better, so that there is a safe haven for our nearest neighbours. All love and solidarity

@eileencalder2804

2 ай бұрын

Don’t bother we have enough deluded AGPs and assorted lunatics on this island