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@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

@@paulsawtell3991 Owen runs a fairly enlightened channel, with progressive views on many issues. As a result, he does attract his share of neanderthal troglodytic Tory voters upset that rationality might enter their cosy make-believe world. Pity such folk still exist, but there we are - you just have to read their comments on trans/gay issues to know they bang rocks together in their spare time.

@saltypork101

Жыл бұрын

From the abrupt change in the tone of comments under trans people's comments on this video, it can be assumed that links to this video have found their way onto anti-trans message boards. Can we step up the moderation please?

@Baron-Ortega

Жыл бұрын

@@saltypork101 why? So you can remove the perfectly valid opinion of others?

@saltypork101

Жыл бұрын

@@Baron-Ortega Yes.

@bulliboyz

Жыл бұрын

@@saltypork101 Tough. Time is up for cranks controlling who can and can’t share their opinions

Owen, what is your stance on convicted transwomen being in women's prisons?

@rainkidwell2467

Жыл бұрын

Convicted for what? Anything besides a sex offense? It's fine. Sex offense? Solitary. Now apply this to all people, whether they are cis or trans, male or female. It isn't hard.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@rainkidwell2467 Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?

@rainkidwell2467

Жыл бұрын

@@ambientjohnny gender identity is about how the nervous system is laid out, and what sex it expects the reproductive system to take. It has nothing to do with stereotypes. Gender is a social construct with its roots in biology. We do not socially exclude other women, so why should a woman be excluded just because she's trans? That doesn't seem any more progressive than your strawman idea of what's actually happening

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@rainkidwell2467 A male is not an adult human female, which is the definition of "woman". "Trans women" are not a subcategory of women, they are a subcategory of men, as every single "trans woman" is MALE. It's not about stereotypes? Then what are these essential "womanly feelings" that men can have by which they "know they are women"? You must be able to articulate something that isn't simultaneously a sexist stereotype if it's so obvious. A woman doesn't need to wear a dress to "be a woman", so why do so many male "trans women" emphasise their desire to wear dresses and cite their excitement with wearing women's clothes as one of the core reasons they "knew they were trans"? If sex and gender are separate, then why should males be allowed access to female-only spaces and rights after "transitioning gender" seeing as they are still male?

@rainkidwell2467

Жыл бұрын

@@ambientjohnny oh, shoot, sorry, that's not actually the definition of "woman", unless you consult a dictionary that hasn't updated the entry yet - and only the uneducated would turn to a dictionary for definition that is ultimately biological Hope this helps. I'm not playing your stupid game, go play with yourself

no such thing as a cis.

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

Utter rubbish. As Trans is obviously something that exists Cis must exist. Even were there not a quarter century of biological science showing that Trans is a biological phenomenon and 112 years of medical research it would exist as a cultural phenomenon which would make Cis exist. Cis as a prefix is thousands of years old predating the English language. NASA sent Astronauts across Cislunar Space into Cislunar and Translunar Orbits during the moon missions, Cis is a standard part of Latin-derived English used in scientific terminology. It’s literally impossible for Cis not to exist unless you get a Time Machine and go back and stop either Magnus Hirschfeld from coining then terminology regarding Trans and it’s acceptance by the medical world last century or go back further and stop Latin from becoming used in science across the western civilisations or go back further yet and stop Cis and Trans from being opposite in the development of Latin. But even if you did all that there would still be development of terms for being Trans and being Cis they’d just be different words. Anyone not Trans is automatically Cis just like anyone not Intersex is automatically Endosex and anyone not Autistic is automatically Allistic. That’s how language and logic works. Cope.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 GUFFAWWWW!!!! You're priceless!!!

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

Lew I’m correct. Try to refute me, you cannot.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 The divide of women / "trans women" is already perfectly sufficient. Who needs "cis"? No one except TRAs who don't want their feelings hurt.

The war will end on trans ideology when ideologues end their war on language. It’s as simple as that.

My Son is trans and an ex Marine. And i have always supported him. But sadly he now lives in Canada.And i'm in Scotland.And i am not happy at WM interference on this matter.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

Canada? Must be Seventh Heaven for him/her.

@lizt1951

Жыл бұрын

The words and actions of some - not all - feminists on this are shameful. It bewilders me that they can be so cruel.

@miehlos67

Жыл бұрын

Why do you feel it is necessary to show your cleavage in your profile pic? is that what defines you as a woman?

@francisp2131

Жыл бұрын

@lynlovesthedead you’re going to tell a mother what she should call her own child? You are self-centred to assume we all agree with your worldview.

@IbrahimMohamed-kw7vi

Жыл бұрын

Why did he feel the need to transition

Ive been watching your channel for about a year and a half and coming up to coming out as trans nearly a year ago, though despite not being able to access health care it's the happiest and most authentic I have ever been. I just wanted to comment thank you there is so much hate out there for trans people, I've heard so much of people like you said its a whim, it's perverse yada yada from the right and I can tell you if I had a choice I would not taken on all this hate towards me optionally. It's not something and tbh something I fought for 34 years in my head I cannot choose it's who I am internally I am a woman and no amount of right wing shouting can change that. so A again thank you Owen.

@sarahbowman9329

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations and welcome to our sisterhood, it’s wonderful to have you ❤

@shonabeggs4640

Жыл бұрын

Yet every cell in your body tells the truth - you are and always will be a male!. Putting on a fancy dress costume doesn't change that, surgery doesn't change that, pronouns & names don't change that. Nothing you do or say can ever change the fact you are a male.

@MissJessicaRabbit

Жыл бұрын

@@shonabeggs4640 what an incoherent mess of a reply, I could go through all arguments against that but what's the point?

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

There’s a quarter century of biological science studies showing that Trans is a biological phenomenon involving genetic sex differentiation mechanisms and Intersex has been known about through all of human history. Stop clinging to the overgeneralisation of biology taught to kids and deal with the advanced biology. Your argument is like clinging to I before E except after C in spelling and claiming that the many exceptions like the word Foreign don’t exist.

@shonabeggs4640

Жыл бұрын

@@MissJessicaRabbit it's 'incoherent' to you because you don't have a woman's brain, or soul or, well anything female. You're from Mars, us Venus.

Anything to say on the number of men who self id as a women after being charged with sexual assault?

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

They get sent to jail, like every manly male, Christian and heterosexual rapist.

@treigjmiller2847

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki missed the point. Well done.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki Let's make that question a bit more clear for you. According to UK census data, convictions for sexual assaults are as follows: 1/250,000 women 1/2,500 men 1/585 men who identify as women Why's that Mr Rzepecki? Either men are gaming the system, or trans women are more likely to be predators. Or both. Your thoughts? *Drums fingers...*

OJ. What planet you live on?

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

Earth, dear, you know, the one you have to share with all the people you love to hate. What's it like being a bigot?

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki What's it like being a misogynist?

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

@@ambientjohnny Troll.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki Bot(tom)

That internal monologue...how they perceive themselves...wooo woooo woooooo... This is a religious belief. I'm a man, and it's nothing to do with a sense of self. It's just the body I have. It's based in physiological reality. Nothing to do with identity. My birth cerificate DOES NOT mention gender. It mentions sex. I am also gay--which is a real physical thing as it's about doing a particular physical act. Don't conflate this religious woooo wooo with being gay.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

*_I'm a man, and it's nothing to do with a sense of self._* That's a self-contradictory statement. If you were a chifferobe, you wouldn't be making statements like "I am a chifferobe", you'd just be one. The fact that you are self-conscious and able to make statements about yourself proves you have a self-image, or sense of self. Otherwise you'd be an inanimate object. Mind you, it's hard to tell the difference between anti-trans bots and inanimate objects as they show similar degrees of self-awareness. As far as birth certificates are concerned, and in colloquial English, sex and gender mean pretty much the same thing, so that's a totally bogus argument. I don't believe you're gay, though. If you really were gay, you'd accept trans folk simply because you would understand where they're coming from - their sexuality is between their ears, like yours. Maybe you are a homosexual with little self-understanding, but certainly not gay. I'm gay - but you're not.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki I don't believe you're gay. I don't understand why any gay person would approve of gay kids being sterilised. As to your little monologue on selfhood, well that's just a load of guff and you know it. You're an atheist, right? You're ok with Darwinism, right? Then you must know that you don't *have* a body, you *are* a body. Consciousness is an emergent property *of* the body. The way you tell it, we're back to souls. As Eric Hamilton said above: "This is a religious belief." You're all over the place trying to get your square peg into the round hole.

@Aarenby

Жыл бұрын

You can be gay and be virgin... You can be gay and be celebrate

@Aarenby

Жыл бұрын

You have just erased all of those who have stayed in the closet due to homophobia. Congratulations you are evil

Owen, why won't you go on Triggernometry when they've invited you? I thought you believe in reaching across the aisle.

@LuisCarruthers

Жыл бұрын

@@mickbolton2276 Eddie Izzard, a brave woman indeed.

Thank you for standing up for us trans folk Owen 💙🏳️‍⚧

Hopefully, in 50 years' time, we'll all look back on this absolute madness and laugh.

@achannel4485

9 ай бұрын

I'm hoping it will be like how we look back at the 80s

@_madame_sene

7 ай бұрын

Laugh at all the people who think they can self id into the opposite sex

@georgeanthony4834

3 ай бұрын

Not if you have had your genitals hacked off!

@cambriaofthevastoceans6721

3 ай бұрын

​@@_madame_senesad fragile cissy

Kellie-Jay Keen is waiting.It's debate time on the outside of the echo chamber.

@LuisCarruthers

Жыл бұрын

Sadly this debate will never happen because Owen doesn't engage with people who want to save women's rights.

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

But Owen is on the side of the women who want to actually save women’s rights. Like the right to bodily autonomy. As Trans rights aren’t a threat to women’s rights like the numerous countries already with self-ID shows that’s not what the anti-Trans movement is really about. It’s just hating on a vulnerable biological minority as a scapegoat instead of dealing with real threats to women’s rights, in fact there’s a very sizeable overlap between groups opposed to Trans rights and groups opposed to women’s rights.

@LuisCarruthers

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 What you call trans rights are a direct threat to women's rights. If women no longer have the right to assemble in single-sex spaces, that constitutes the removal of a right. Men are not women. If a man who believes he's a woman is allowed to enter female-only spaces, that is a loss of women's rights. If a man wants to believe he's a woman, that's absolutely fine. But women should not be made to indulge that. We should not be legally forced to indulge somebody else's belief.

@connor5669

Жыл бұрын

KJK aligns with the proud boys and regular people think she's crazy.

@LuisCarruthers

Жыл бұрын

@@connor5669 1. What is your source for that? 2. How are we defining "regular people" here? Do you really think it's a fringe viewpoint to say women don't have penises?

No, being gay and trans are not even remotely the same thing. One of the biggest mistakes the LGB community ever made was to add the T.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

Don't be such a fool. Trans folk were with gays from the very beginning, when we started fighting back against bigotry. That fight isn't over, because bigots live on and spew their hatred.

@M00nGlitz

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki What's going on in the T community right now is a disaster.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

@@M00nGlitz If it is a disaster, it's only a disaster because the bigots are hell-bent on making it one.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki "Trans folk were with gays from the very beginning..." Is this the extent of your "knowledge" of gay history, Mr Rzepecki? I thought you said you "lived through" this history. It would appear not. When did you move from Poland?

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki No, it's a disaster because people are beginning -- just *beginning* -- to give it the scrutiny it deserves, rather than giving it a pass as something-to-do-with-gay-rights-so-must-be-ok.

Thank you for these most sensible words. I know I was born trans, having realised I was different on my first day of school, aged nearly 5. We have learned that treating people born with differences with hate is wrong, hence our anti-racism laws. Why are we trans people still allowed by the government to be targets of hate and disrespect when we are born this way? Being trans is not a choice, but under the current British government, it is seen as such, or appears to be.

@saltypork101

Жыл бұрын

It's wrong, and it doesn't have to be this way. Most cis people will stand alongside trans people to make this right.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

Why do you let sexist stereotypes define you? Why do you feel like your "identity" should override the material reality of others? Allowing males access to female-only spaces and rights is not progress mate.

@saltypork101

Жыл бұрын

@@ambientjohnny To your first question: Plenty of people, trans or not, choose to conform to gender stereotypes to make their life easier. People, trans or not, who don't conform to gender stereotypes get misgendered more often. If you're not trans, being misgendered can be annoying. If you are trans, it can lead to allegations that you aren't who you say you are. To your second question: It is indeed not progress, because women's spaces have generally included trans people of all genders for a very long time. So that means we have lots of data about the effects of that inclusion. Data is better than idle speculation on what "might happen". What we know is that trans people of all genders are much safer in women's spaces (prisons, locker rooms etc) even despite the danger they face from backlash, because the risk of abuse they face in equivalent men's spaces is that extreme. We also know that non-trans women are no less safe whatsoever in women's spaces that include trans people.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@saltypork101 Why is it on women to solve issues with male violence? How can women be no more less safe with "trans women" around when there have been dozens of cases of abuse already?

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

Ambientjohnny oh you have dozens of cases from 30 years and millions of people living under pro Trans laws? So a similar number of cases of Cis women sexually assaulting Cis women then? Compared to a study of 3,000 Trans kids where 1/3rd subjected to anti-Trans bathroom rules were sexually assaulted in 1 single year?

This is very poignant on what you said Owen. I am lad, a straight cis lad who has the privilege of having wonderful friends in the LGBT+, and all I ever want is to be the best friend and ally to the as I can and fight back against the monstrosity of homophobia, transphobia, apathy and complacency

@cole4342

Жыл бұрын

We appreciate people like you :)

Big difference between transphobia and denying Women the right to feel safe in all situations

@tfkia356

Жыл бұрын

What a delusional argument. It assumes 1. That all women feel identically, 2. That one vocal minority's feelings are more important than the actual safety of another's, and 3. That "feeling safe" is a right.

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

Being trans doesn't make anyone else less safe.

@barryjones7173

Жыл бұрын

@@tfkia356 Twoddle

Too right Owen, support Tiffany Scott in moving to female prison, never mind about the assaults on women

@connor5669

Жыл бұрын

Uh yes, women who commit crimes go to women's prison. Everyone in women's prison is a criminal lol

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@connor5669 Grow up. Seriously, you people are beneath contempt.

@PepsiMagt

Жыл бұрын

@@connor5669 except that transwomen are men pretending to be women.

Poignant, honest and very touching. I am a 43 year old cis, straight female who is privileged to have lots of gay friends. I am also a proud feminist and trans ally and I'm appalled at the way the trans community are being treated. I also grew up under section 28 and remember a teacher (also a member of the clergy) speaking to us in an RE lesson about the origins of the gay rights movement and what the word 'gay' stood for. He 'left' not long after and recently passed away. Only now do I think about how gutsy he was to speak to us about this and I'll never forget it. Thanks for posting this Owen. Solidarity.

@chloelayla017

Жыл бұрын

Hey Bec. I'm trans and am always really grateful for allies who stand with trans people. Just wanted to say thank you for doing so and I hope I can repay the favour at some point in the future. x

@PedroGondalles

Жыл бұрын

@@chloelayla017 you should accept yourself how you are instead of being delusional

@PedroGondalles

Жыл бұрын

please dont use the offensive word "cis" to designate normal people. i mean, since you are dictating speech i might as well do it, right ?

@chloelayla017

Жыл бұрын

@@PedroGondalles You should educate yourself instead of being transphobic. Seen your rubbish all over these posts. Take it elsewhere, you are not wanted here.

@PedroGondalles

Жыл бұрын

@@chloelayla017 unfortunately for you, i have the right to express my opinions where ever i want. i dont need to educate myself, i know the facts and so do you. im not transphobic, im pointing out reality.

Why is nobody discussing the link trans has with autism.

@danielcarlsen9228

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's very well known, but I have heard around a quarter of adults with gender dysphoria also have ASD.

@cole4342

Жыл бұрын

As a trans man with autism, this is interesting. I’m not sure how they’d correlate, as all my autism does is… make me suck at eye contact and very focused on my interests. But still interesting.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@cole4342 See the paper (search by title): Autism Spectrum Disorder and Gender Dysphoria/Incongruence. A systematic Literature Review and Meta-Analysis Ref: Kallitsounaki, A., Williams, D.M. Autism Spectrum Disorder and Gender Dysphoria/Incongruence. A systematic Literature Review and Meta-Analysis. J Autism Dev Disord (2022) The full article is available online.

The Westminster government is not really interested in the bill. They are going after the SNP/Green government and Scotland in general,it's all get back in your box jock! I'm really proud of my government for putting this bill into law🥬💗🌈

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

This current UK government is happy to invoke Section 35 as it fulfils THREE of its objectives; stick it to the Scottish, divert attention away from controversial government policies, and to persecute trans people. Trans people are being treated like a political football, and we are tired of being kicked around.

What does it “feel like” to be a man or a women?

@danielcarlsen9228

Жыл бұрын

A connect/disconnect to certain anatomical and functional features as well as your peers perception and expectation of you.

@queenofspiders

Жыл бұрын

@@danielcarlsen9228 So partly what someone feels and partly what other people in society view you as??

@dapunk5598

Жыл бұрын

What you don't know ? Lmfao

@danielcarlsen9228

Жыл бұрын

@@dapunk5598 The "brain theory" still remains a theory. Partly because it hasn't been tested that much yet and partly becuase are tools to analyse a brain are crude. Also, it's difficult for me to say what every human has experienced.

@queenofspiders

Жыл бұрын

@@dapunk5598 I’m just putting it out there, how do trans individuals know what it FEELS like to be the opposite sex.

This one hit hard! Thank you Owen. I appreciate the note of hope at the end. I'm not trans but utterly agog at the sort of rhetoric we're seeing in media and politics. But to my trans brothers and sisters, there are plenty of people like us who have got your back, and we will win!

@shockofthenew

Жыл бұрын

thank you, I seriously can't say how much it means to have allies in this

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

Do everyone a favour and go back to sleep.

@andyhalstead3949

Жыл бұрын

Got your rear more like.

Any thoughts on the NHS no longer giving puberty blockers to kids, due to there being insufficient evidence that they are clinical effective, and rather a lot of evidence that they do harm? Is there any recognition that people, largely on the right, were screaming about this very point for years?

I keep hearing John Money mentioned...what did he do?

@thomasbardoux1692

Жыл бұрын

He coined the very concept of gender identity and tried to prove it with extremely immoral experiments

@Angelic_Storm

Жыл бұрын

It amazes me that transphobes are oblivious to the fact that the tragic case of David Reimer (the unfortunate boy who was raised as a girl on the advice of Money) actually strengthens the arguement that your sex is as much between your ears as it is between your legs.

@chrisharwood5456

Жыл бұрын

@@Angelic_Storm I think the tragic case of David Reimer actually demonstrates the exact opposite. Money was a disgusting monster who pushed David and his parents into going through with the sex change and he ultimately committed suicide because he was so traumatised by this redicukoue ideology

@chrisharwood5456

Жыл бұрын

Sorry typo “ridiculous ideology”

@rowalan1

Жыл бұрын

Who is a Transphobes? Was that directed at me for asking a question? Can you explain what he did? I'm desperately trying to avoid being influenced by the Right? However I gather that both twins committed suicide and were abused during the experiments, in addition I believe that once one found he was not a girl, he lived as a boy, is that right? I'm not sure how suicide, child abuse and then the person brought up to be a girl then living as a boy...proves it. However I'm happy for you to tell me how all that amounts to proving your comments. Thanks

Owen Jones you are a total W⚓️

Thank you Owen. Solidarity from Australia with the Trans and GNC Communities across the UK 🏳‍⚧✨

Well said Owen. We Scots will fight this.

@SocialistResistance

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. We stand in solidarity with you, south of the border.

@mishymoo34

Жыл бұрын

I want to fight this too, its not the Scotland I know and love. Hoping for Independence but it seems lees likely because of Westminster's acts of dominance.

@sophiepooks2174

Жыл бұрын

Go Scotland we love you 💖stuff Westminster/terf island.

Gender isn't recorded on birth certificates so the first thing you said was nonsense.

@cole4342

Жыл бұрын

Bruh.

@connor5669

Жыл бұрын

Why are TERFs pedants?

"The nature of prejudice is to seek out the extreme and the hypothetical and use it to tar an entire minority in order to lay the foundations for discrimination". So powerful. Exactly what needed to be said.

@trundistroyer8584

Жыл бұрын

Men are nearly 50% of the population, not really a “minority”, and a man putting on a wig and changing his name doesn’t magically make him “marginalized.”

Well said Owen! 🙌

Owen, I follow your videos and articles closely, and have done so for a long time. I occasionally disagree with you (eg. on republicanism) but that's rare. This is, in my opinion, your most important and compelling contribution to the cause of social justice and equality for all in the face of hateful prejudice. It is also a stark lesson in how our current "government" abuses its democratic powers to satisfy the whim of a powerful minority of ignorant bigots. Evil bigots, infact, because their prejudices are rooted in the horrors of the past, including the persecution of innocent victims forced to wear pink triangles. And as you say, these inhumane people will, as sure as night follows day, lose their horrific argument, and decent fair minded people will eventually walk straight past their graves without mourning their loss. So, Dr Owen, thank you for this brilliant and eloquent exposition. I implore everyone to share it as widely as possible, and hope that you publish its essence in one of your excellent articles. Outstanding. 👏

First world problems. If you were struggling to eat once a day in a developing country, you wouldn’t be worried about the right pronouns which are used.

As a transwoman I am baffled at the hatred directed at us.

@the1andonlytitch

Жыл бұрын

It's just so needless

@yourawaywiththefairy

Жыл бұрын

Try looking up, Dylan Mulvaney. This might explain.

@stephendavis5530

Жыл бұрын

@@yourawaywiththefairy Possibly because they're bigoted shites?

@massinakmin8340

Жыл бұрын

Looks like leftism is only about trans people. And not about other problems. shut it already.

@stephendavis5530

Жыл бұрын

@@massinakmin8340 Oh dear. What's the matter? Hate having your bigotry challenged? Diddums!

this is the best video you've ever made. thank you.

I grew up a bit earlier than you. I am straight, was born into and moved in mainstream middle class. And I grew up with same sex couples in the wider social circle of my parents and absolutely nobody raised an eyebrow when they held hands or kissed in public. In retrospect and looking back the difference of today and those same sex couples I grew up with when my parents had parties or dinner invitations or spontaneous visits... They didn't make it their one and only identity trait. It was one aspect of their lives and not the only thing they talked about. It just was how they were born and didn't require a discussion. It was just like you see a heterosexual couple kissing or holding hands. I am sorry you didn't grow up that way. I have zero issues with gay people. Transgender is different. I am fed up with this whole public discussion. To my understanding transition was possible and done decades ago. To my understanding there always was and always will be a very small percentage of people who feel like they are the opposite sex. There are old people now who transitioned in their youth. I am fed up though that minors have access to these procedures and treatments. Minors can't consent. I am fed up that a small minority tries to tell the majority of society what language can be used. I am fed up with playing charade that they really are the opposite sex only because they went through the transition. I will always treat an individual with respect but I expect that individual to be aware that there are biological differences, still. Like, a transman won't have an inflamed prostate, ever. A transwoman will never have period cramps. It follows that no, transwomen can't play on women sports teams. Sorry not sorry. There are realities that can't be denied and climate right now denies these realities. I am fed up with playing pretend. There is no war on transgender. You do you. I do me. We can get along just fine if we can agree on reality. But please back off a little. In my country we have universal healthcare and I gladly see my financial contributions directed towards transitions and the resulting life long medical treatment of someone who needs it. That's what a society is about. But a society demands integration. Stop trying to force the whole society at large to deny biological facts, use specific language, give you access to spaces where you don't compete on fair grounds, like sports. Instead of asking what a society should do for you start asking what you can do for society.

@tfkia356

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for illustrating the fantastic cavalcade of bad faith arguments being paraded about like legitimate discourse. Or were you serious?

@muppelmuh1445

Жыл бұрын

@@tfkia356 I was very serious.

@tfkia356

Жыл бұрын

@@muppelmuh1445 But I wasn't.

@karleighcharsports1

Жыл бұрын

You could have saved all that hot air by simply writing, "Yes, I am a transphobe" and then going on your way.

@james_7718

Жыл бұрын

how does not getting period cramps make a transwoman ineligible to compete in sports with other women?

Very well put Owen, it's a godawful shame that this is still such a huge "debate", human rights shouldn't have to be the topic of debate, and yet here we are.

@johnlewis9158

Жыл бұрын

What rights under the law don't trans individuals have. Indeed they certainly have the right to close down events they don't agree with and of course they also have the right to get professors who they don't agree with sacked.

@davet6079

Жыл бұрын

Watching the majority debate the existence and rights of minorities away is frightening to watch.

@johnlewis9158

Жыл бұрын

@@davet6079 What rights pray tell don't they have that the rest of enjoy

@davet6079

Жыл бұрын

@@johnlewis9158 We both know what they are John but you're pretending you don't know. Makes you feel ok with being a shitty person. Funnily enough. You sound just like the homophobes from a generation ago. Almost identical rhetoric. Weird that.

@johnlewis9158

Жыл бұрын

@@davet6079 We both know what they are mean's nothing unless you gives actual examples.

Education. People hate what they don't understand. It wasn't until I decided to educate myself on the struggles of Gay and Trans people that the hate turned into love and compassion. I now have mostly Gay friends and facilitate a place where Trans people can meet and dress in a safe environment. Self education was the key for me but I really don't know how we can educate the people who don't want to learn for themselves.

@davet6079

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for educating yourself and being such a strong ally.

@sheeliewoo

Жыл бұрын

This is so true. I didn't always understand, but there was certainly never hate. I educated myself too. I will stand up for and stand by all trans people . ♥️

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

Zapre Oh you understand a biological phenomenon with more than 40 genetic links and you oppose people being born different? That would make you pro-Genocide. So either you didn’t actually understand it after all or you are the kind of person WW2 was about stopping. Which is it?

@davet6079

Жыл бұрын

@@zapre2284 You understand very little apart from fear and hate.

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

@@sheeliewoo Thank you.

I just don't get it. It doesn't take a whole lot to be a decent human being.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

Takes a lot to be a decent human and a Tory, though. It's almost as though humanity and Toryism don't mix, but the reality is, Tories are all too human, and hatred is a human emotion as well, one we should be wary of.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki I think we should be wary of calling principled opposition and disagreement "hatred" all the time. How does that grab you?

@reliableandrew

Жыл бұрын

@@lewreed1871 Bingo Lew.

@trundistroyer8584

Жыл бұрын

Part of being a decent human being is not lying and demanding others lie for you.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

You mean being a decent human being and respecting female boundaries and rights? Precisely the thing "trans" identifying males refuse to do? But you think elevating male feelings above the physical reality of female is progressive and fair? Explain how allowing MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces is about "decency".

What is a woman 🤔 Can I identify as a 20 year old black African and ask for reparations 🤔 Also I’m not cis I’m a man.

@danielcarlsen9228

Жыл бұрын

A woman is an individual whose brain is wired in a female pattern. African is someone born on the African continent or have been born elsewhere but has familial/cultural ties to said continent. Age is a meassurement of how long your current physical form has existed in this universe, though the matter it's composed of is as old as creation. Your skin colour is determined by how active your melanocytes are.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@danielcarlsen9228 "In the UK, 1 in 551 transwomen are sex offenders. This is in comparison with 1 in 2,500-3,000 males (excluding transwomen) and 1 in 243,000 females. These statistics are derived from census data which has, for the first time, provided clues as to the number of people in the country who believe they have a “gender” different to their birth sex, plus Ministry of Justice data (2022) which details that around 60% of the 146 transwomen in prison in England and Wales are sexual offenders. For reference, other males in prison are significantly less likely (18%) to be sex offenders." A male is not an adult human female, which is the definition of "woman". "Trans women" are not a subcategory of women, they are a subcategory of men, as every single "trans woman" is MALE. It's not about stereotypes? Then what are these essential "womanly feelings" that men can have by which they "know they are women"? You must be able to articulate something that isn't simultaneously a sexist stereotype if it's so obvious. A woman doesn't need to wear a dress to "be a woman", so why do so many male "trans women" emphasise their desire to wear dresses and cite their excitement with wearing women's clothes as one of the core reasons they "knew they were trans"? If sex and gender are separate, then why should males be allowed access to female-only spaces and rights after "transitioning gender" seeing as they are still male?

@cole4342

Жыл бұрын

“I’m not cis I’m a man” Yes, it’s called a qualifier. An adjective. Do you also complain about being called a blond man because you’re not blond, you’re a man? How ridiculous.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@cole4342 A blonde woman, is also female. A "trans woman" , every single "trans woman", is MALE. "Trans women" are not a subcategory of women, they are a subcategory of MEN.

@happyguilmore4253

Жыл бұрын

@@danielcarlsen9228 so I can’t identify as a black person if I’m white then 🤔. But I can identify as a woman even though I have no female parts and don’t have a woman’s chromosomes🤨🤨

Thank you Owen. It‘s nice to hear some sense being spoken, and for much needed perspective to be given

My uncle died in 1974, aged 73, he had spent most of his life hiding his homosexuality It must have been so difficult for him. My daughter is Bi-sexual, I don't want her life to have to be spent hiding who she is and feeling shame. 🏳️‍🌈

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

Yes, he lived through a particularly bad time for gay people, and gay activism started too late for him - I agree it was a tragedy for folk who lived through those times. I'm 67 and gay, and in my years, things have seen a remarkable improvement, though there's always the danger of a right wing government trying to reverse the progress made. I don't think it's very likely in the UK, though.

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

That is EXACTLY what the government is doing! Section 35 seeks to halt progress towards equality. Government puts its stooges into equality bodies such as the Equalities & Human Rights Commission. They will come after YOU after they have come after trans people.

@IbrahimMohamed-kw7vi

Жыл бұрын

What if it's just a phase they are going through

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

@@IbrahimMohamed-kw7vi What if it isn't? My "phase" lasted my entire life.

@paulhammond6978

Жыл бұрын

@@IbrahimMohamed-kw7vi The least traumatic response to children who are going through a gay phase or a trans phase is to be an affirming parent. You support their choices. And if they change their minds later on, then they change their minds - it's their choice. There is, in fact, a fair amount of medical research to back that approach up.

That was really moving. Have forwarded to all sons. Thank you.

Well said, Owen. Much love and courage to all. ❤

"Life is not inherently harder because you're lgbtq, it's harder because of how society treats you". I grew up bi and with undiagnosed autism. I was not diagnosed until I was I my 30s. When I was in my teens and twenties, I was slapped with a personality disorder label because I dared suggest that other people had made my life a living hell, which had completely destroyed me and made me mentally ill. I bet there are thousands of lgbtq ppl even without u derlying autism or any other condition who've been given similar diagnoses by the detrimental mental health services of this country. This only emphasises the "there's nothing wrong with society, there's something wrong with you" fallacy, regardless of how society treats you.

@oathkeeperblade

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

If this is the last straw that breaks Scotland from the United Kingdom, I would think that it is extremely ridiculous and yet fitting for our times.

@scotlandtheinsane3359

Жыл бұрын

It won't be. The majority of us hate it. Predators self-IDing into women's prisons by claiming they're women for a few months?! The sterilisation of 16 year olds? No one sane is having that and we are thankful that the Tories for once have helped us.

@akym82810

Жыл бұрын

@@scotlandtheinsane3359 What majority? This law has been in motion for 7 years and the Scottish parliament voted it through. Please vent your delusions elsewhere.

@Tinywars

Жыл бұрын

Take this gender bill to the people of Scotland. It'll get blown out of the water. To think Nicola and the SNP care about Trans issues shows how utterly ignorant some are to the politics of Scotland. Scotland is an authoritarian hell hole with basic human rights such as speech being eroded year on year.

@genome616

Жыл бұрын

LOL whatever, so Sturgeon support at its lowest ever, support for indyref2 tumbling to about a third now and her attempt to use a gender bill that was never going to be accepted by parliament for which she full well knows as she and her team of lawyers are fully aware of the legislation which Scotland signed as a member of the UK which doesn't allow her to push such a bill through, she is abusing the rights of women in general, using the trans community as her toys all to stir up Anti English sentiment just like she always has done. For a nation that has the worst NHS services in the UK, the worst GDP in Europe the worst education standards and is annually bailed out each yr by the rest of the UK to the tune of 10's of billions you simply couldn't survive alone, and the idea of you joining the EU is a no show as they already expressed you don't meet the entry requirements and even if you did you would then have to join the schengen agreement and the Euro, see how many of the Scots get pissed of when you exchange a border trade friendship with falling under the orders and control of the EU, not exactly independence is it.

@akym82810

Жыл бұрын

@@genome616 I'm not going to read that. Happy it happened, or if it's more appropriate, sorry for whatever.

Thank you Owen. I am a transgender woman who is old enough to remember the 80s and appreciate what you say and that you are saying it.

@kimasher

Жыл бұрын

me too. :-)

@B99994

Жыл бұрын

And me

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

You have spoken the truth from the heart Owen....

Great video! I'm a bi woman from America the same age as you. Your description rings true for what it was like here in the 90s and 00s. It was all so well said.

Tell me you hate biological women without saying you hate biological women

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

Trans people don't "hate biological women". Also, ALL women are biological; we aren't robots!

@muesliman100

Жыл бұрын

Biology doesn't just know women and men, it knows xxy, genotype-fenotype inconsistencies and several other complexities. That has always meant that doctors chose which gender the babies they helped birth were supposed to live with. It is simply more humane to allow people to choose themselves instead of giving that power to doctors. Biology doesn't care because it's a science and not something to beat people up with. You are not more biological than anyone else

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@muesliman100 Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?

@muesliman100

Жыл бұрын

@@ambientjohnny science and medical biology tells us male and female are not as easy as you make it seem. Read gender trouble" by Judith Butler, an outstanding feminist researcher, and you may understand.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@muesliman100 Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?

Owen, you brought tears to my eyes. People should show loves and respect for others. Why does it matter if someone is trans or not? Aren’t we all the same?

@whereweregoingwedontneedey4374

Жыл бұрын

You can respect people whilst not accepting they are literally the opposite sex. Often theres confusion around "hate" and not accepting BS

@jenxsj3902

Жыл бұрын

@@paulsawtell3991 “Scientific factual”, it could be the name of magazine or almanac. Enlighten us, please, what are the facts?

@spaghett5531

Жыл бұрын

@Where We're Going We Don't Need Eyes no trans person thinks they're "literally the opposite sex", they know how biology works. All they would like is for you to respect their decision to view themselves as whichever gender (not sex and yes there is a difference) they choose. Sure, you don't have to do that but I don't think it's a big ask

@whereweregoingwedontneedey4374

Жыл бұрын

@@spaghett5531 you're wrong. Lots of discourse where they make this claim - When we see people say things like " pregnant male" (not man, male).

@spaghett5531

Жыл бұрын

@@whereweregoingwedontneedey4374 not sure how that shows they think they're biologically a man though

Hello from the USA. If i agree on nothing else with this guy, I would agree this guy is a Sis...

I don't often comment on videos, but felt I had to say thanks you Owen. As a Trans woman who first came out in 2004 things have got better. However I would say that things were easier for us back in 2012 than they are today. Its so sad to see that so many people attack us Trans people for just living. In the 19 years since I came out I have never, not for one second, had any regret. This video meant a lot to me, thank you.

@saltypork101

Жыл бұрын

Trans people are not alone against this new tide of bigotry. A great many of us are here, standing in solidarity with you.

@scotlandtheinsane3359

Жыл бұрын

That's because back then there was no drive to invade women's spaces and neutralise material reality. Thank your AGP relatives for overplaying their hand in this..

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

Trans women have had access to women’s spaces and been legally women in parts of the world for over 30 years. In my state in Australia it was since 1996. As for AGP that’s a refuted pseudoscience nonsense refuted by the work of Zhou and Swaab let alone Moser let alone the many genetic discoveries. It goes in to the same dustbin of refuted hypotheses as phrenology.

@saltypork101

Жыл бұрын

@@scotlandtheinsane3359 bye

@saltypork101

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 Such a shame that these people don't care about actual data.

Perfect speech. I wish the leader of the Labour party could even come close

Owen your words are moving and so so true.Trans brothers and sisters things will get better believe me as Owen says.

This is a great video, it just sums things up so well. And you're so right, we will eventually win and the transphobes will come to be seen in the history books for what they are, sad, deluded, genital obsessed hatemongers. Thank you Owen for being an ally, I just wish I could give you a hug and thank you in person... x

@sluggygrumble5164

Жыл бұрын

Bigots for listening to concerned women who have genuine concerns for their safety. You're entire shtick is just nonsense. You're just intimidating people.

@scotlandtheinsane3359

Жыл бұрын

So funny that a TRA can call anyone "deluded"...

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

Trans has a quarter century of biological science showing that Trans is a biological phenomenon with more than 40 genetic links found so far in genes that impact biological sex differentiation as well as particularly in the genetic pathways of neurological sex development. The anti-Trans activists however have falsehood after falsehood so are demonstrably deluded at best and intentionally lying to support a genocidal hate movement against a biological minority at worst.

be a man and stick up for women

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

I am a trans women, and like most of my trans friends, I am a feminist. That is what we do. Women's threats aren't trans people; it is cisgender men who are the threat.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@jennydean7571 Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?

@dubon9999

Жыл бұрын

@lynlovesthedead She is a woman 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

@ashleeallen1714

Жыл бұрын

I'm a woman and I don't need that you speak for me unnecessary transphobe conservative trash

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@Maxine McKenzie 23 No, they do NOT change SEX. Stop LYING. Show me ONE MALE that has changed his anatomy to go from producing small gametes, to producing large gametes. Otherwise stop lying that people can change their SEX. You don't even understand what determines what sex a person is it seems since you think hormones can change the entire physiology of a human being. Clown.

I love you, Owen. I have a trans spouse, one genderfluid adult child, one adopted adult trans child, and 2 other biological adult children who are complete allies. In 1982 I had a 23 marriage to a black African (I am white) so my 3 biological offspring are biracial. My adopted child is of a Pakistani heritage. My spouse is a white American. I love everything you say. But after a lifetime of voting Labour, I am now Green. Keep on doing your wonderful work.

@casscamden740

10 ай бұрын

TONGUE PUSHING OUT BOTTOM LIP NEEERRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH DRIIIIIIBBBLLE

Any thoughts of Hannah Barnes' book, Time to Think, and the what happened at the Tavistock clinic?

Beautiful video. Thanks, Owen.

Best video i've seen on this, your a hero to the LGBT+ community Owen. Im not giving up on trans rights or a better future for all of us.

@jhickman4735

Жыл бұрын

A growing number of LGB people are ashamed to be associated with TQ+ nowadays, can you not see that ?

@raijin2950

Жыл бұрын

@@jhickman4735 Nope.

Spot on, thanks Owen x

Protecting real women is more important than humoring men that want to pretend they are women. You made this video out of fear Owen. We will keep fighting against the sex pests you chose to side with, and you will lose embarrassingly.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

You didn't even listen to it, did you. No-one here has any fears, other than trans folk and transphobic bigots who don't understand squat about biology. You side with mindless bigots, and you will lose.

@dimebagdirty

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki nature will decide the outcome.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

@@dimebagdirty Nope, politics will. You're probably still fuming about gay marriage!

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki Explain how allowing MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces demonstrates a greater understanding of BIOLOGY.

@ashleeallen1714

Жыл бұрын

I'm a biological woman and I don't need that you protect me insane transphobe conservative trash. I support trans community 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

Pre pubescent transition is immoral, post pubescent transition doesn’t work. The process of puberty is too transformative to reverse.

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

As Trans is a biological phenomenon with more than 40 genetic links not only in the genetic pathways of neurological sex development but also sex hormone signalling genes that impact interuterine and pubertal sex differentiation mechanisms Trans people are born somewhat transitioned naturally already and are less masculinised/feminised by puberty naturally. The use of puberty blockers is ethical (they are used on early onset puberty after all) and as the vast vast majority go on to transition in adulthood regardless (as shown in all the studies once Steensma’s methodological error was fixed) means that hormonal transition at puberty would not be immoral. The post-pubertal transition is effective, reducing suicide (don’t fall for McHugh’s misrepresentation of Dhejne’s study!) and while retaining some degree of androgyny that’s found in women with PCOS and Intersex people anyway. So nope to everything you said.

@BereaverBand

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 no “study” can prove or disprove the morality of giving children powerful hormones and mutilating surgeries. It just seems wrong. And post puberty transition doesn’t work because the biological sex traits are too strongly present. A man cannot convincingly present as a woman. The dysphoria will still be present when they look in the mirror. Everyone can tell. They are just deluding themselves.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@BereaverBand As well as your own points being entirely valid, everything MacGregor says here is garbage. It's frustrating that if you post links in these comments the bots tend to delete the comment. (Either that or it's Owen, tinkering around on the sly.)

@cole4342

Жыл бұрын

Huh???? I started transitioning to male at 22 and I can promise you it works LOL? I’ve met middle aged trans people who transitioned later in life and pass completely? What ignorance

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@cole4342 What age are you now? To what extent did you "transition"? In what way can it be said to have "worked"? I'm afraid your bald statement just raises a whole load of questions.

Nice speech Owen but you're conflating Trans rights to safety and dignity etc, which they rightly, thankfully already have, with giving males the right to female protected spaces, which just doesn't follow and is incomparable to any aspect of the struggle for gay rights. You are wrong in conflating women protecting their sex based rights with being 'anti-trans.' It isn't.

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

Come on I’m in Australia, my state has had those rights as Gender based not Sex based rights since 1996 without any problems. The sky is falling routine might have been reasonable more than 30 years ago before any part of the world tried this, after more than 30 years to claim the sky fell elsewhere and nothing bad happened but if it falls in the UK all the bad things that never happened anywhere else will suddenly happen is ludicrous. As for safety Trans women face 2-3 times the rate of sexual assault that Cis women face. In the USA a study of over 3,000 teens showed that Trans teens in schools with Trans-inclusive policies face a rate of being sexually assaulted of 26% almost double Cis girls 15% but with the anti-Trans amenities you want the Trans teens rate leaps up to 36% and that’s assaults in a 12 month period. 1 in 3 sexually assaulted in one single year! So the safety argument requires Trans inclusion rather than the opposite.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 What happened in your state in Australia in 1996? Be specific please, and refer to any documents which support your claim that your state "had those rights as Gender based not Sex based rights since 1996". Thanks in advance.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 "In the UK, 1 in 551 transwomen are sex offenders. This is in comparison with 1 in 2,500-3,000 males (excluding transwomen) and 1 in 243,000 females. These statistics are derived from census data which has, for the first time, provided clues as to the number of people in the country who believe they have a “gender” different to their birth sex, plus Ministry of Justice data (2022) which details that around 60% of the 146 transwomen in prison in England and Wales are sexual offenders. For reference, other males in prison are significantly less likely (18%) to be sex offenders."

@cole4342

Жыл бұрын

The video literally addressed that these laws are already in place in several countries and that these fears and damage to women’s safety HASN’T HAPPENED.

Is this misogynists going to take up the challenge of debating KJK??? Gay people were never trying to infringe on the rights of other vulnerable people, namely Women and especially children. The Emperor has no clothes on!

@chazer0075

7 ай бұрын

Nope, but people tried to claim that we did, lesbians were slated as perverts for entering women's spaces, gay men were slated as pedophiles and still im some ways are... you have a very selective memory...

What effing war?!

Owen, mate, that's probably one of the best and most important videos you've ever made.

I've always identified myself as a cis straight women. I started dating my partner 5 years ago and about a year into the relationship she came out to me as trans. I had some trans friends but i didn't fully understand what it meant to be trans, and I wasn't sure how this would effect our relationship. But i loved her and wanted to stay with her. I'm so glad i did as she is my world and we live together and want to get married. But now i know far too well the difficulties she faces, her mental health has been awful and led to a suicide attempt last year. I just want her to be happy and the hatred she sees everyday online and in the news is heartbreaking. My love goes out to all trans people across this country and the world for the suffering you have to face x

@kat9886

Жыл бұрын

@@loluskekus but it is a thing. That's like saying heterosexuals aren't real. It's not supposed to be a divisive word, it's a scientific term, not an insult. It's sad that you read my post about my girlfriend nearly killing herself and that's the issue you take. Please just try and have some compassion for people different from you.

@loluskekus

Жыл бұрын

@@kat9886 >it's a scientific term Yes. From chemistry. And troons stole it

@kat9886

Жыл бұрын

@@loluskekus i see there's no point talking to you if you're going to start throwing slurs around. Learn to show some empathy for your fellow human beings instead of being so full of hate.

@oathkeeperblade

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

This is great! I can't help feeling though, that anyone who follows you is already intelligent enough not to be homophobic, transphobic etc. I just hope that this mamages to reach and convert the bigots.

@thomasbardoux1692

Жыл бұрын

Ironically, your comment reeks of bigotry

@dinojoseph1751

Жыл бұрын

I want Owen Jones to make his position clear.on his sexuality. Would he date a trans man with a vagina?

Shakespeare tried to make the point in his comedies that human identity is a kaleidoscopic continuum; but despite him being the establishment poet for 400 years, one of his central principles is still too terrifying for many people.

@sosimple3585

Жыл бұрын

It's only terrifying to people whose reality it encroaches on, which seems like a reasonable response.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

What does "identity" have to do with physical reality/sex? How is allowing MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces because they claim to "not be like other men" progressive?

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

No-ones reality is encroached upon by the reality of Intersex and Trans. There’s 112 years of medical research on Trans and more than a quarter century of biological science studies showing that Trans is a biological phenomenon with more than 40 genetic links found since 2005 including in the genetic pathways of neurological sex development.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 What proof? And what has intersex got to do with "trans"? Intersex is a physical reality, physical conditions people are born with, and all intersex individuals are still either male or female in every single case, many intersex conditions exclusively affect either the male or female sex. "Trans" identity is a subjective metaphysical claim, it is not rooted in physical reality, and claiming "gender identity" doesn't alter a person's sex in any way shape or form. Also, what has claiming to be "trans" have to do with sexuality???

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 "In the UK, 1 in 551 transwomen are sex offenders. This is in comparison with 1 in 2,500-3,000 males (excluding transwomen) and 1 in 243,000 females. These statistics are derived from census data which has, for the first time, provided clues as to the number of people in the country who believe they have a “gender” different to their birth sex, plus Ministry of Justice data (2022) which details that around 60% of the 146 transwomen in prison in England and Wales are sexual offenders. For reference, other males in prison are significantly less likely (18%) to be sex offenders."

Thank you, Owen, for your convincing, clear contribution. It is a pleasure to share the planet with you even though I haven’t met you.

I don't know who you are talking about when you say "Anti trans activists". The most outspoken critics of the movement are those that have detransitioned and suffered immensely. Isaac Uncooked has eloquently debunked many of your assertions which are frankly absurd given the mental, emotional and physical harm that medical transition has caused to so many. I for one am ashamed of a medical system that transitions young people only to approve their requests for medically assisted suicide once they realise they can't live with the complications arising from their transition. Humans cannot transition from one sex to another. It is medically impossible and seriously dangerous.

A compelling argument Owen, thank you.

@treigjmiller2847

Жыл бұрын

😄😄😄😄

I loved the last little bit at the end as a message to transphobes, unfortunately though not sure how much I believe it. This anti-trans war has led to a lot of members of the public voting for bills that hurt trans people especially in America, but it seems to be the case in the UK too, hence why during the election which saw Rishi get elected, the whole thing was like a competition to see who can make the harshest anti-trans bill and who can say that “a trans woman isn’t a woman” the most amount of times, it’s depressing but it seems to be the case.

Are you deleting negative comments Owen? Or is that your masters?

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

I'm seeing lots of stupid remarks by mindless bigots, including yours. What comments were deleted? They must have been doozies considering the trash that's still here.

@cole4342

Жыл бұрын

I’m seeing a LOT of negative comments lol, might just be you trying to feel in the majority bud

Men and Women are not interchangeable outfits.

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

Nobody said that they were!

@Ash-gtr32

Жыл бұрын

@@jennydean7571 Some people think they are.

Being male or female is not about psychology, it’s about biological physical reality! This is the crux of this issue. Women are at a distinct physical disadvantage to men. That is why this issue provokes a much stronger response from women. Trans men are no threat to cis men - not in sports not in public bathrooms not in prisons not anywhere. But men, cis or trans are always a potential threat to women. I guess most men and trans women just can’t understand that threat. But that is why the current push for trans women to be accepted in all Women’s spaces can never be justified. Look at criminal statistics. They are real life. Women and children are at risk from people born male. Reality matters!

@ashleeallen1714

Жыл бұрын

You are stupid if you think that but you are giving the reason to many feminists who say that men (straight men) are bad by nature

@ashleeallen1714

Жыл бұрын

In public bathrooms and in jails is completely false at all. In sports depends but is not so dangerous as you may think. You are acting like if it is the end of the world

@cole4342

Жыл бұрын

Did you not watch the video at all? Did you not listen? He literally goes over the fact that these laws are already in place in multiple countries and this “threat to women” bs HASN’T HAPPENED. You sound like the Americans who throw a fit about how being without guns would never work even though there are multiple countries with gun control who prove it works just fine. Stop being so insular.

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

Lena a quarter century of biological science shows that Trans is a biological phenomenon with more than 40 genetic links to Trans including biological sex differentiation mechanism genes from sex hormone signalling genes to 21 variants found in the genetic pathways of neurological sex development supported by twenty years of animal studies. Trans women are therefore biologically different to men. Particularly when the genes involve the androgen receptor and androgen production reducing masculinisation at a cellular and endocrinological level reducing muscle strength and muscle mass and bone density compared to men even before hormone treatment or surgery. So the biological science argument goes against your conclusion. That Trans women face 2-3 times the rate of being sexually assaulted than Cis women do further goes against your conclusion. And that Trans rights support are stronger among women than men and are stronger in states and countries where Trans rights have been in place longer all goes against your conclusion.

Thank you Owen, I am friends with two amazing trans women and it breaks my heart the hatred they receive. I always love your videos and live chats, they always come from a place of compassion and understanding. ❤️❤️

@kathyb1011

Жыл бұрын

Men parading around in drag saying they are women is insulting to women. What do they expect

@sheeliewoo

Жыл бұрын

@@kathyb1011 seriously? Did you not listen to anything that Owen said? Take your hate elsewhere... You are part of the problem he talks about...

@stephkais5613

Жыл бұрын

@@sheeliewoo it's not hate, it's the truth. The simple truth is a transwoman is a biological man. Without that biological manhood their identity as a transwomen wouldn't exist. The first step of being a transwomen is to be a man.

I wrote my MP today (Meg Hillier, Labour) about the government blocking Scotland’s new law (obviously I am appalled and I’m hoping Labour mounts a vocal opposition; which I haven’t seen much of, though I stopped watching the debate in Parliament because the Tories made me incredibly angry). We know where the Tories stand on this, but can you please report on how the opposition parties are responding to this?

@alice1374

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it seems to be that Starmer's labour is very much Tory. Red Tory Blue Tory. Green party here at least has transphobia in the party. Green scots have suspended their alliance with the full green party until it gets resolved.

I do wish, Owen, that the people who don’t understand how trans people feel, and simply argue that these people just feel like changing their sex, would listen to what you’re saying. Thanks for this. And it’s great to hear your story about how you wished you were desperate not to be gay. My two gay sons haven’t really had to go through that as they’re both in their twenties and a lot of this has gone away - not all but a lot of it. A wonderful message towards the end Owen. You’re right: trans people will win, even if it takes a long time.

As a Scot I hate that Anti Transgender people are given so much air time to spew their hatred. I have also notice a lot of Anti Transgender people have links to the Far Right. In my job caring for dementia patients one of my co workers was a Transgender man. His level of compassion and care for dementia patients was amazing and the patients benefited as did his co workers. I sadly expect this level of hatred from conservatives but Sir Keir Starmers pathetic weak response of the SNP using transgender rights as a political football. My dad was a Union shop steward I can get used to a Sir leading the Labour party. Scots call Labour the red Tories for a reason. I also want to make a point MP's of the Alba party who supposedly want Scottish independence cheered the Westminster government blocking the Scottish parliament decision on the GRA. Joanna Cherry lesbian SNP MP is very Anti Transgender I can't get my head round that. I am a member of the SNP. The GRA was not in universally popular a!long SNP members so for Nicola to stick with it took bravery. We need to start calling out anti Transgender people and there blatant lies. Transgender rights are human rights.

@louiseparker1915

Жыл бұрын

And women's rights too! 🤣

As a trans person, thank you for this well constructed video. I expect life will get worse before it ever gets better. But as the sex pistols once said. there is no bad publicity. People are debating about us and that means a conversation has started. I just hope it doesn't take to long and hurt to many people before it gets better. 🏳‍⚧❤

@xxxxOS

Жыл бұрын

Erm you won't win against the woman's rights campaigners. It's just wrong. Men shouldn't be taking over women's sports and hard fought for spaces. We will fight until the end of time as woman. Woman are the most oppressed sex, not men in dresses

@ashleeallen1714

Жыл бұрын

@@xxxxOS What the hell are you talking about???? I'm a woman and I'm not opressed by nothing. You conservatives are insane lunatics attacking trans women on this way. Stop talking for women, what you say is not true at all and is very insane your view on trans women. What is wrong in your insane mind? What you say do not represent me. I'm a straight woman and I disagree with you at all

@monty1864

Жыл бұрын

@@ashleeallen1714 tell me , when things go wrong will you accept any responsibility?

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@ashleeallen1714 Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?

@Goopyweevil

Жыл бұрын

@@ambientjohnny Gender identity is a complex topic, Sex in our culture is often treated as binary, you are either male or female, but science is showing that sex is bimodal, not binary, which is where being trans and nonbinary come into play.

The direction this country is taking genuinely scares me, I feel so keenly for all the trans people out there whose lives this government just can't seem to resist trying to ruin. Thank goodness for people like Owen standing up and speaking sense - it's worrying how few people seem to be talking about this issue.

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Rem. People ARE talking about how the government is undermining trans people, but you rarely hear it in the mainstream media. Most voices about us are not *from* us.

@oathkeeperblade

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

No womb man? No cry.

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

As well as a non-argument you should be aware that for years now there have been uterus transplants successful in Intersex women born without a uterus, including ones with XY chromosomes. Already Trans women patients are being selected for the procedure. The first birth is likely in the next 2 years. And as regenerative medicine is proceeding apace and Intersex women with XY chromosomes and born with a uterus have given birth naturally it is likely within our lifetimes that Trans women will have transplanted uteruses grown from their own stem cells.

@Elfspeth1

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 Wow. Imagine a man trying to squeeze a baby out of a wound between his legs that does not dilate. Looks like cesarean section time because there is no episiotomy that can fix that, not to mention the hips are too narrow and the pubic symphesis will not seperate. Have fun.

@heatheromeara5115

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 Have the ethical guidelines been overturned? Uterine transplants into men is a violation of the Montreal Criteria.

@baynemacgregor8441

Жыл бұрын

Just like Intersex women are not men neither are Trans women. There’s a quarter century of biological science discoveries that you appear not to have encountered including more than 40 genetic links found so far including variant sex hormone signalling genes reducing androgen levels among others (so Trans women don’t receive a full masculinisation at puberty so have lower pubertal muscle strength and muscle mass and bone density than men as shown in the bone density and skeletal proportion before hormone treatment study in 2013) and particularly 21 variants in the genetic pathways of neurological sex development first discovered through twenty years of animal studies on neurological sex development then confirmed in Trans people.

@compass2201

Жыл бұрын

@@baynemacgregor8441 lol

End the war on truth.

@duderyandude9515

11 ай бұрын

I wish they would too but transphobes keep waging war on it.

Yes... and in many circumstances, from policing to healthcare to the workplace, the law and public policy must protect biological women ♀️from biological men ♂️. This is irrefutable.

@ash_yt0

Жыл бұрын

Assuming that your absurd picture of society reflects reality, do you went transgender men being put in women's shelters? Since they're apparently "biological women" according to you, even though they are on testosterone which alters the physiology of their body. Fortunately, you don't have to worry about that, since nothing about this amendment in Scotland has anything to do with women's shelters at all. It just makes it easier to change the M to an F and vice versa on your legal certificates. If you are early in your transition, women's spaces will make a determination on a case-by-case basis as they have done for decades, and which has nothing to do with the law or gender recognition act. Same goes for things like bathrooms, which trans women have been using without incident for decades also. So spare the "Won't someone think of the women and the children!" moral panic rhetorical since its a false conflict set up to turn people against each other to distract us all from how the tories keep eroding our living standards day by day. Most women are supportive of human rights for trans people.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

And how, biologically speaking, would you define a woman? Speaking as an actual biologist, it's not quite as simple as you obviously think.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

Oh, I don't deny, BTW, that women need to be protected from predatory men. What I object to is your insinuation that trans women are predatory. And I think it's daft to think a sexual predator will go to the lengths of getting a gender recognition certificate, when they don't need one to enter women's spaces anyway.

@christinabatey927

Жыл бұрын

Some quirks do occur but the biology of mammals is hardly open to question. Enlighten us if you have discovered something startling .

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

Trans women are NOT "biological men". 'Man' is a gender, and trans women aren't the threat here. Cisgender MEN are the threat.

As I am not a councillor I could not out a motion to Salisbury City Council to suggest that they only support LGBTQ+ organisations, should LGB "divorce" the gender elements. I can give a 3 minute speech / statement on my views. I shall echo your views, but based on my experience as an elderly bisexual, who could not see why Section 28 was needed. I recall the "horror" over a book where 2 homosexual men adopted a girl, which I had read and thought to be "unusual".

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

A woman, is an adult human female, it is not an "identity" or a feeling, dress, attitude etc., that whole line of thinking is regressive in the extreme. Claiming there is some "essence" to "womanhood" that also males can access, but the reality is that women do not have to look or act any certain way, or act out some ludicrously sexist idea of the “social role of a woman”, all females who reach adulthood are women regardless of how they feel or look, and the one thing they ALL have in common, the one experience they ALL share, is that they are FEMALE, they do not have to "identify" as anything, they physically ARE women because they are female. Why should MALES be allowed access to SINGLE-SEX spaces reserved for FEMALES based on their "gender identity"? If sex and gender are separate, then a male announcing his "gender identity" is "trans woman" does nothing to change their sex, they are still MALE - so why should they be afforded rights reserved for the opposite SEX? The movement is regressively sexist, and misogynistic. Why do you believe females do not deserve any spaces free of males? What is hateful about upholding female sex-based rights that were fought long and hard for? Believing sexist stereotypes define men and women, instead of their biological sex, is unquestionably sexist to the core, because you are saying men and women are not actually free to behave however they want but need to conform to these sexist stereotypes in order to be men or women - if you say no they don't have to act any sort of way as a man or woman, and being a man or woman has nothing to do with biology - then what are you describing by calling someone a man or woman? If you think it doesn't describe biology, and doesn't describe anything about their looks or behaviour, then what on earth are you basing defining anyone as a man or woman on??? Why would a man need to become a "trans woman" in order to be their "authentic selves", why can't they just be a very feminine man and dress/act however they want? If trans ideology isn't sexist, then why would a man ever need to "transition" if either sex is completely free to act however they want? How can you claim to be opposing sexism when the whole basis for anyone feeling the need to transition, literally is sexism? How is gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? Or simply their PERSONALITY? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?

Thank you so much for this wonderful video. You have nailed it. You reduced me to tears, and that says a lot. I am a transgender woman. This is the first time in ages I have heard someone non-trans speak so clearly about our experiences. Short of transgender people actually being given a voice in the UK's toxic narrative about us, this is the next best thing. You're an awesome ally. Lots of love.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

Trans people don't have a voice?

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

@@lewreed1871 Hard to make a minority voice heard in a storm of majoritarian hysteria.

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki Strange the way everyone's sick of hearing it then, isn't it? And isn't it interesting and instructive that this movement -- a tiny minority within a tiny minority if we're talking about trans activists -- breaks every other movement it touches? At what point do the people who are slow on the uptake realise that the problem isn't everyone else, the problem is trans activism itself? When will you catch on, eh Speedy? I bet you never foresaw the time when you'd be excoriating Richard Dawkins in public for appealing on behalf of women's sex-based rights. I bet you never foresaw the day when you'd be arguing in favour of a movement which is sterilising gay kids to an extent where clinicians had a joke, "Soon there won't be any gay kids left." Could you have foreseen that, Mr Rzepecki? Weird, innit.

@kimasher

Жыл бұрын

@@lewreed1871 Considering how often we are debated in public and the media, how often do you actually see us included in those discussions? It is typically less than 3%. No, we don't have a voice. We are systemically excluded from having a voice in the mainstream while we are vilified on a daily basis.

Owen thank you for sharing this video and speaking so eloquently on our behalf. Your message was powerful and will hopefully change some hearts and minds.

@lizt1951

Жыл бұрын

It may not do that, but will surely give courage and arguments to those of us who want to offer support to the trans community.

Controlled fury and a whole world of hurt and compassion make this video harrowing and deeply beautiful viewing. Magnificent! 👌

thank you Owen that was a beautiful and heartfelt video and I agree with every word. I'm one of those middle-aged cis women who support trans rights - along with literally all of my middle-aged cis women friends!

@B99994

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for your support Jules. Your kindness means a lot

@julesc1665

Жыл бұрын

@@B99994 I wish some people would realise it takes a lot less energy to be kind than it does to be mean! Sending you lots of love and hopes for a kinder, brighter world all round xx

@B99994

Жыл бұрын

@@julesc1665 ❤

I can see that this injustice upsets you, I feel exactly the same way as you do.

How do you know whether a trans person has difficulty accepting that they are gay rather than feeling their in the wrong body? How are you so certain?

@Angelic_Storm

Жыл бұрын

Purely from a logical standpoint, if you're afraid to be open about being gay due to fears of prejudice and bigotry, it makes little sense to then say you're in the wrong body, when such people generally face more ignorance and hatred from society than gay people do. Pretending you're a heterosexual member of the sex you were assigned at birth to escape bigotry is understandable. Pretending to be trans to escape bigotry makes no sense whatsoever. For what it's worth, my friend who is a woman trapped in the wrong body has said she'd much rather be a gay man than a trans woman given any choice in the matter, and I can understand that totally.

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

Trans teenagers usually sort that out. Sexuality is who you go to bed with. Gender identity is who you go to bed AS.

@Angelic_Storm

Жыл бұрын

@@jennydean7571 Yep, and some people know their identity long before they know their sexuality, My friend said she knew from the age of 4, she was a girl, and indeed, has known that all her life. But I think those people are genuinely born with a mismatch between their neurological sex and their reproductive sex. She said her knowledge of who she was, was there long before she even knew what sexuality even was, let alone what sexuality she was. But generally, the idea that someone would say they were trans to escape homophobia makes little sense, when these days in most of the Western world at least, gay people are far more widely accepted than trans people are.

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

@@Angelic_Storm agreed. It is less unacceptable to be gay than it is to be trans. There's oppression of both communities compared with being cisgender and/or heterosexual, so neither trans nor gay is really a way of escaping it. People are just born that way, and it's pointless trying to pretend that one isn't, because pain lies on either road; self-loathing and inauthenticity in the closet, or discrimination and aggression being "out".

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@Angelic_Storm Simple questions; how is "gender identity" any different from what sexist stereotypes a person feels drawn to? And, if sex and gender are separate, then why should "transitioning gender" allow MALES into FEMALE-ONLY spaces, they never changed, nor can they change, their sex. How is removing the rights of females to single-sex spaces progressive? How is centering male feelings over female rights "feminist"?

Should people be allowed to choose their race and age if they can choose there gender?

@Terror_Ism

Жыл бұрын

Strawman

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

@@Terror_Ism No, I think he really thinks he's an attack helicopter - isn't that the usual one?

@ash_yt0

Жыл бұрын

You don't choose your gender bud. You just have your gender identity, and there's nothing you can do to change it. That is why people take hormones their whole life to medically transition, and change their sex to match their gender identity.

@skumar1993

Жыл бұрын

There was Rachel doleful who claimed she was black despite being born from two white parents. Who's to say that is any different?

@tfkia356

Жыл бұрын

Trans people are not "choosing their gender". They are choosing to live as their gender. You cannot change your brain, but your brain does not always match your genitals.

I'm just a woman end of

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki Tut tut, how bigoted to deny this person their lived experience as a woman.

@cole4342

Жыл бұрын

Cool! And I’m a man, end of. You’re right, let’s throw out the labels cis and trans! We’re all just people! :)

@ambientjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@cole4342 The stats for male on female violence speak for themselves. Females deserve sex-based protections. A misogynistic sexist men's rights activists like you wouldn't comprehend that though.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@ambientjohnny Cole is in fact a woman.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@cole4342 "Cool! And I’m a man, end of." Except you're not, end of?

All I can say is thank you

How do you live in your acquired gender? Please explain.

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

Why don't you ask a trans person, sweetiepoo? Think you might get contaminated?

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki Why don't you give us your biology take, being a "qualified biologist"?

@Leszek.Rzepecki

Жыл бұрын

@@lewreed1871 Yes, sweetiepoo - emphasis on poo. I've forgotten more biology than you ever learned in your single high school class. You, however, are a genius at being terminally dense.

@lewreed1871

Жыл бұрын

@@Leszek.Rzepecki Oh right. You're a "qualified biologist" but you've forgotten it all. And the dog ate your homework.

@jennydean7571

Жыл бұрын

Don't YOU live in your gender every day? Think about it.

At first I struggled to put my thoughts into text, I too, felt emotional watching this. I've got to say, this is the most profound and enlightening post I watched, regarding Scotland's gender recognition reform legislation. I have supported this reform from the beginning, you've given me words to explain my views.

Owen, have you ever seen William Friedkin's film Cruising (1980)?