Who Were the Philistines?
The Philistines serve as major foils of the Israelites in the early books of the Bible, including Joshua, Judges, Samuel, and Kings. “Philistine” has come down to us in English as a slur for someone who is uncouth and hostile to culture and the arts. Two Philistine characters Goliath and Delilah of “David & Goliath” and “Samson & Delilah” fame continue to be household names. What can we know about the historical Philistines? John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place will look at the Biblical depiction of the Philistines and will contrast that portrayal with information that can be gleaned from the rest of the historical and archeological record.
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Best explanation of Biblical history on youtube
@unrecognizedtalent3432
Ай бұрын
Yep!
@garymensurati1631
Ай бұрын
Agree 💯💯 John's message is on point and heartfelt, in my view. Blessings !
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@silviavas1
6 ай бұрын
Jsjaja its history, no religion
I really enjoy these lectures. The visual aids such as charts and time-lines help tremendously. Thank you Centre Place for all of your efforts to edify and enlighten people from all walks of life.
@poopoppy
7 ай бұрын
I do too! His voice also has a very nice semi soothing tone. He also doesn't show off using overly pretentious terminology. It's sometimes difficult to follow a lecture, when the person's voice grinds on my ears, and I feel I need a dictionary to follow along.....at times :D
Well done and coherent explanations about Philistines. Thank you John.
Nailed it. Love it when Pastor John goes off script.
Great content as always!
The presence of the Philistines blows the Exodus, and thus Jewish history, completely out of the water.
@adams5414
6 ай бұрын
How so? The Cannanites are noted in the Exodus story, which is why the Israelites do not immediately enter the land
@veryoldjohnson
5 ай бұрын
@@adams5414 : Is there a non-Biblical reference to the 'EXODUS"? Pretty sure that the 'Exodus' was nothing more than a series of oral campfire tales, told and re-told by family related Canaanite hillbilly shepherds.
@gary_stavropoulos
2 ай бұрын
@@adams5414 the philistines were a part of the sea peoples that were settled in Canaan between 1180-1150 bce. At the time Canaan was part of Egypt and had been for many centuries prior. So stories set before that time that include the philistines are wrong and the Israelites can’t flee Egypt in the exodus by staying in Egypt.
Would you like to do a lecture on the translation of the bible? There are quite a few passages that are misinterpreted due to translation.
Denathor, the Steward of Gondor speaks to us on the Philistines.
Very interesting. Thank you! Your knowledge and ability to tell history/religion in way that's easy to understand is admirable ❤
I knew a Phillis Stein. And she didn't look Jewish.
Good points and great breakdown. Some interpretation issues but I’lI give you a sold 8.9. Thanks
The number 40 seems to be very popular in the Old Testament. The deluge rained for 40 days and 40 nights, the Jew wandered in the desert for 40 years, the Tribes of Israel strayed from virtue every 40 years, etc. I wonder if 40 just meant a long time, whether measured in days, nights, hours, years.
@unrecognizedtalent3432
Ай бұрын
I think they thought of it as 1 generation
@johnweiner
Ай бұрын
Really? If so, their idea of the length of time of a generation is/was about twice the current rough measure of 20-30 years.@@unrecognizedtalent3432
It's been interesting to me that the judges in the book of judges are actually military leaders. Nothing is said about them actually being judges Except for the woman It is explicitly written that this woman Deborah sat under a tree and passed judgments on legal disputes. So she was in authority over men! So the ancient israelites were not Southern Baptist or Catholics!
@andrewsuryali8540
8 ай бұрын
The word "judge" in English used to have a different meaning as one who IMPLEMENTS justice, not the one who... well... judges. So think Judge Dredd instead of Judge Judy.
@langreeves6419
8 ай бұрын
@@andrewsuryali8540 but Deborah judged in the modern sense of the word, unlike the other judges in that time period
@andrewsuryali8540
8 ай бұрын
@@langreeves6419 Yes, but that's her function as a PROPHETESS. What made her a "judge" was her warmongering, not her day job. Samuel was the same. What made him the last judge wasn't his prophecizing and legal work but his leadership of the Israeli war effort, first as their theocratic warlord then as advisor to their first king.
@langreeves6419
8 ай бұрын
@@andrewsuryali8540 I'm so sorry you can't understand my point. Enjoy the lectures and cheerio!
@andrewsuryali8540
8 ай бұрын
@@langreeves6419 No, you're the one missing the whole point. Judges is about the warlords who lead Israel in the time before monarchy. What made one a judge was the warmongering. Deborah holding court is not the important part of the story. Other women in the Bible could hold court. In fact Jezebel was denigrated in the Bible exactly because that's what she did. What made Deborah special was her status as a warleader - something no other biblical woman ever does. Think! What was more emancipating in the eyes of the people the book was written for? The part where she held court as the wife of Lappidoth or the one where she organized and lead the Israelite army with Barak as her deputy? You're entirely missing the authority that actually mattered in the story to the people the story was intended for.
Excellent lecture. Thank you.
Nazarites weren't supposed to go near dead bodies but an exception must've made for Samson because he'd certainly piled them up.
I love your lectures but, I've studied esoteric symbolism for years with special emphasis on mythology. I understand this isn't a forum for comparative myth structure but I would like to point out two things.. 1 ) there's are 12 judges just as there are tribes of Israel 12 imans in Islam 12 new testament apostles in fact in every religion you'll find the 12 just as you'll find the 7 (samson had 7 locks of hair) in the Jewish Temple you have the minorah with 7 branches and a table with 12 shewbread loaves.. Hebrew itself has 7 double letters and 12 single (with 3 mother letters) all significant of the same thing.. the 12 divisions of zodiac and the seven planets of antiquity . This idea was held universally in the ancient world and is embedded in every religion whether you see it or not.. I should also point out that Samson is identical in the theme to the story of Hercules ..
@sunny3907
7 ай бұрын
So three religions that descended from a common culture in the same piece of geography use the same symbols and myths. WHAT A COINCIDENCE!!! And no,its not embedded in every ancient religion,lmao. Hinduism and Chinese religions have none of these symbolisms.
Greeks from Crete. Friends of Hestia , Philister.
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Increase the speed to 1.25 you Philistine👊🏻
They were Greek, weren't they? {:o:O:}
Samson, Hercules and Gilgamesh are the same story synchronized through different lenses but I always wonder you was the original hero of the story which city was this actually about each original five cities would take the hero story and put their patron saint as the hero of story so who made this story before Gilgamesh?
@kankikankkinen2670
8 ай бұрын
Sometimes city is person and other round
@premium2681
8 ай бұрын
@@kankikankkinen2670say whut?!
@mwmann
7 ай бұрын
Where are your facts for your claims ?
3:18 That looks interesting.
Reminds me about what happened with the word epicurean.
1:03:43
The relationship between the Hyksos and the Philistines is geographical. According to the Egyptian chronicles, after their expulsion the Hyksos retreated to the area that later became Philistia. So technically the people that the Peleset conquered (or were given as subjects by Egypt) may have been descended from the Hyksos. By extension, since the Philistines themselves assimilated with the locals, you can argue that the Philistine population was mainly composed of descendants of the Hyksos.
Also Palasa Was a sea Ionion coast city and between height mountains and beautiful reefs its symbol was half man had fish cause of this geography.
1:02:15 Mixup of Balkan nations haha, its the Bulgars who were a Turkic people who migrated from Eurasian steppe into the Balkan area and assimilated into the Slavs who were already living there. After that happened Bulgarian is a Slavic language, and Bulgarians consider themselves to be South Slavs. Serbs and Croats are just Slavs that settled there earlier when Slavs were settling that area, tho interestingly for Serbs its very likely that the name Serb is an exonym, from the Latin word for slave /servant - servus. If thats the case its a weird reverse situation of how the English word slave etymologically comes from Slav (which is a Slavic endonym coming most likely from slovo - speech, language).
@NoName-fc3xe
8 ай бұрын
Fancy seeing you here! Lol
@zelenisok
8 ай бұрын
haha. yeah, i've been watching this channel for a while. i've mentioned and recommended it a few times in ch rooms..
I find it interesting that at no point did the children of Israel fully conquer the Philistines. In fact the Philistines outlasted the Kingdom of Israel: they were finally defeated when the Babylonians conquered both the Philistines and the Kingdom of Judah.
(0:00:11) Perhaps you meant deprecates rather than depreciates.
Are the hebrews from Sumer or from Canaan?
So… based on the map… the West Bank?
@adams5414
6 ай бұрын
Yup, I just realized that is why they must have kept Jewish settlements in the West Bank but removed from Gaza. I'm Jewish and didn't realize until this war, how it is actually 'reverse apartheid.' Yes all Jews admit that a majority of us left and then came back, for various reasons from forced expulsion to economic opportunities or repressive regimes etc..
I think people are afraid to help a guy like me
So who are the Israelites
Palasa . a region in west south west Ballcans. in antiquity many criminals were kicked out of there to nowadays north of Israel and Lebanon just like the ex British in Australia. also many of them were banned to come back home or they would get killed if so. the word in Greek is extraocated
Isn't the philistines the descendants of canaan, the son of ham?
John/Leandro, Why do knowledgeable people always tiptoe around the discussions involving the Philistines? Are they so pivotal to the Israelite story? Clearly the Bible is in error, or is it? Did God get it wrong when issuing his exit directions? I would appreciate a definitive, logical explanation!!!
@veryoldjohnson
7 ай бұрын
Am I asking for too much?
@CoreyJason
7 ай бұрын
@@veryoldjohnsonyou may need to go feed yourself. Entitlement isn’t a good look for anyone.
@veryoldjohnson
7 ай бұрын
@@CoreyJason : What does that mean?
@veryoldjohnson
6 ай бұрын
@@bobbagshawedeorlinc4884: Lots and lots of verbiage, but no answer!!!
How Gertrude Bell , thought and named this land expanded Palestine!! After WW1
Moral of the story. Don‘t marry someone who God says you shouldn‘t be marrying.
oo7 is Tubal-cain
He sure plays around alot with dead animals.
Does current palestiniens DNA matches Canaanites or hebrew DNA!
I am not convinced.
Is herew a canananite language or a sumerian one 😑
Lions , Donkeys.
There is no second story of Goliath being killed... You're quoting 2 Samuel 21 at 28:24 - where it clearly says "Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the *brother* of Goliath, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam."... Why do you do this?
@klarobskyr
4 ай бұрын
You're quoting KJV. I don't speak Biblical Hebrew, but in every translation in every language I speak it IS just Goliath and not "the brother of". There are more recent English translations that also agree with that. KJV is a pretty flawed source, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a way to streamline the continuity of the biblical narrative
@SteepSix
4 ай бұрын
@@klarobskyr Then why didn't they iron out the other wrinkles and more obvious contradictions like the ones we find in Chronicles. Also, I have two Hebrew versions here of this 2 Sam 21:19 verse and indeed one says simply "Golyat the Gitti", and the other (Orthodox) says "...the brother of Golyat...". But again, I don't see why any effort would be made to address this little conflict while none is made to the contradiction of who moved David to take a census... God or Satan..? I mean, that's a pretty big conflict!
Sounds a bit unclean to me.😂.
There is no P in Arabic so “Falestine” still lives as Palestine, as local Arabs pronunciation Onomatopoeia created the word Palestine. The people disappeared by the land of the Filastins was Gaza and there is a genuine connection particularly as anyone who’s lived there has been an enemy of the Israelites, also worth mentioning that there is no Palestine in the Bible or the Quran but Israel is mentioned over 2500 times.
Lost me at :22
@InTheRhettRow
7 ай бұрын
you need to read and get out more.
@joegibbs1454
7 ай бұрын
@@InTheRhettRow philistine is in ethnic slur? Wtf? Never heard that
The Jews have a God, the Philistines have gods.
Philistine DNA comes fro Italy and Greece
They are called the Palestinians now
@CoreyJason
7 ай бұрын
Are they the same people or just living in a land once lived in by the Philistines. Sincere question.
@elef951
6 ай бұрын
No they arent,the ancestors of philostines are greeks from crete
@Jimmy_Bee
2 ай бұрын
@@CoreyJasonArabs pronunciation of Palestine is “Filastine” there is no P in Arabic. They lived in Gaza as well but I’m not sure we can call them the same people but they both are enemies or the Israelites. Palestine isn’t mentioned in the bible or Quran.
Like Israelites, Philistines are also descendants of Adam, Cain, and Noah!
@marcelmolenaar5684
5 ай бұрын
According to Egyptian hyroglyphs and scripts the Israelites were an African nomad warrior tribe without a king
@sulongenjop7436
5 ай бұрын
@@marcelmolenaar5684 Israelites comes from the term Israel, another name of Jacob the grandson of Abraham. Israelites are descendants of Jacob through his 12 sons!
@marcelmolenaar5684
5 ай бұрын
@@sulongenjop7436 Israelites were desert people. They wanted a forest. Israel means forest. They went to war with every tribe whom lived in a forest. They came from Africa and were a nomadic warrior tribe without a King. Israelites have ( or had ) nothing to do with Jews. Egyptian hyroglyphs and scripts show that 3000 years ago the Israelites attacked the Palestinians. ( Out of jealousy ) The Jews based their religion on this plus a lot of other things like King David has a statue in Georgia for a reason. The Giants where King David fought against were tall buildings with only an attic. When the native people were attacked by the Ghazaaren they hid on the attic and the ladder was pulled up. Judea / Judas / Yahudi meant dangerous people. Judas as a traitor to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Judas or Judea was added to the bible by the Lavra church. Sorry to inform you about where the name Palestine comes from. Humans first came from Alkebulan ( Africa ) Alkebu - Mother Lan - Mankind From there Mankind migrated to the rest of the world. It was the very beginning when humans stayed on a land and begun agriculture. Then started to make weapons from sticks and stones for hunting. Palaios - Era / Period Stine - Stand Lithos - Stone Palestine is the first land in history where humankind stayed instead of being nomadic. Mankind built the first villages and cities in Palestine. Palestine became the Holy land because it was the Mother of civilization
Never look for Bible history from the mouth of a Bible skeptic and kaabalist
@AngelSanchez-dw4gs
7 ай бұрын
There is very little history an a lot of lies lies lies originally this collection of plagiarized stories was called BIBLIES.
explains the weirdness in the bible. It was written by the hillbillies of the era.
The Germans.
@kumarg3598
8 ай бұрын
Who didnt exist 3000 years ago
@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095
8 ай бұрын
They were Greek. {:o:O:}
@kumarg3598
8 ай бұрын
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 if i had to be specific, id say phoenician
According to Egyptian hyroglyphs and scripts the Phillistines lived in Palestine already before the stone age. Sorry to inform you about where the name Palestine comes from. Humans first came from Alkebulan ( Africa ) Alkebu - Mother Lan - Mankind From there Mankind migrated to the rest of the world. It was the very beginning when humans stayed on a land and begun agriculture. Then started to make weapons from sticks and stones for hunting. Palaios - Era / Period Stine - Stand Lithos - Stone Palestine is the first land in history where humankind stayed instead of being nomadic. Mankind built the first villages and cities in Palestine.
Gol I atht=bitter mouthed. probably he was boasting a lot about his self and called people names and swore a lot.
Palestinians that's who they are.
THE PHILISTINES WERE BLACK…THEY CAME FROM NOAH SON HAM. HAM WAS THROWING FATHER OF THE DARK RACES! All of these false images of ppl in the Bible is mind boggling 😂
They are the Tories.
@kevinroyall8829
6 ай бұрын
😂 Rishi Sunak being a good example
Don't cut your hair - vrill?
@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095
8 ай бұрын
Yeah, because the Vril have been around since 1000 BC, not just 1871 AD. {:o:O:}