I am a PhD scholar in my own field, with 40 years of research experience. But my knowledge in my own field is as nothing within my field as John's is within his. Hats off!

Nobody does Biblical history like John Hamer, who is a genius at integrative complexity or taking large amounts of data and weaving it into a creative tapestry of knowledge. Please support Centreplace!🔥🔥🔥

@lukeyznaga7627

2 ай бұрын

I will say, that I , too, have learned a LOT from John Hamer, and other videos of Centre Place. agree with David Folts.

@marcellesmith6432

2 ай бұрын

I love his videos. I am truly grateful for the time he puts into them . ❤ Episcopalian from Alabama.

@furpiginfidel7681

Ай бұрын

Just discovered him and yeah, he's excellent

@centre-place

Ай бұрын

Thank you, glad you enjoy out content

@edwardt4283

27 күн бұрын

Who's John Hamer?

I must say, I believe the ministry of this church shall grow beyond anyone's expectations. I have heard many lament the loss of sacred buildings and artifacts, as of recent. But, in truth, the most sacred artifacts and vessels are the bodies that house the spirits of the patrons within. I believe this is where the true spirit dwells. And the historical treasures and wealth are shared and passed down by an honest heartbeat, and the good actions and words we breathe. The upkeep paid is the truth of our being shared. This is priceless. And without boundry. Peace be us all✌🏼❤🙏🏼

@candicebergstrom4490

2 ай бұрын

What a beautifully worded comment!

@patrickkish6662

2 ай бұрын

​@@candicebergstrom4490 I appreciate the compliment. But the inspiration came from the Community of Christ Church, and John Hamer. It's a great community 🙂

@lukeyznaga7627

2 ай бұрын

now this is a true comment, not a bot or troll or commercial singing the praises. Sincere.

@robkunkel8833

2 ай бұрын

… BUT do we know what Patrick just wrote? Not really, from my point of view. Working in a Historic “Sandfloor” Synagogue, I deal with relics that go back to 12th Century Spain and 17th Century Caribbean island St. Eustacius. Is Patrick saying the things that look like angels are little spirits? Us Jews draw the line on angels. Anything that looks like an angel is a cherub, which have no more spiritual significance that a hood ornament on a Hudson motor car. The “spirits” that I conjure up from working here are part of my being and, yes maybe it gives me wisdom from the ages but I have no way of ever knowing. /// Man’s greatest folly is thinking he can understand God. Why do we try so hard?

@patrickkish6662

2 ай бұрын

@@robkunkel8833 I apologize, Rob. I should have prefaced my statement with, "In my opinion." I had no intent to anger anyone. Or thoughtlessly disparage anyone's faith, or being. I do not see angels. Nor am I one myself. I do not claim to know, or fully understand God. And I do not wish to diminish, or speak ill of sacred buildings, or relics. I try my best to honor and understand love. I do fall short at times. But I continue to try. In my life, physical objects have come and gone. The walls I live in, and worship in, are always changing. But, seemingly, with a heartbeat, the pulse of being, I remain. My body and spirit are all I have. Temples and artifacts may be cherished, embraced, bought, sold, loved, destroyed, and rebuilt. The same way people have been treated. What's the value and insight of it all? Who's right, and whose wrong? It all gets decided in a moment. In a thought. In an utterance. In an action. In a heartbeat. In my opinion, of course. Peace and love to you, Rob

Thanks! Amazing content as always. One of my favorite channels on KZread.

@HamerToronto

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your support.

@centre-place

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for supporting the channel!

I’m so h happy to listen and learn. You’re great. This lecture series is the best!

I can not express my full gratitude to the author of the presentation. I mean John Hamer. God Bless You. Thank you, again.

commenting to help this amazing channel get seen

@lukeyznaga7627

2 ай бұрын

a commercial then....

@xp8969

2 ай бұрын

​​No​pe @@lukeyznaga7627its how the algorithm works, comments let YT know the viewers are engaged which triggers the algorithm to share the video with more people

I watch every presentation. I am subscribed and hit like every time.

I think a great example of a problem verse to think about whether Jesus said things, HAS GOT to be, Gospel of John 17. Understand what that is. Its a long and beautiful and powerful prayer that Jesus talked to god, and in that passage, there were no witnesses clearly shown. So, unless you believe in very specific Holy Spirit guidance t the writer "John", you must conclude that there is no way anyone could know for sure what Jesus was praying or saying. Examine John, chapter 17, Gospel.

I always learn so much from John’s lectures. I could listen for hours. No questions just support and prayers for your mission.

@lukeyznaga7627

2 ай бұрын

so tell us...just what have you learned, or are you just doing commercials of praise for this channel? what did you see?

@todradmaker4297

Ай бұрын

@@lukeyznaga7627 John does a great deal of research for these lectures and, I too, get a good deal of information out of his efforts.

This is EXCELLENT! I "was" Catholic ... until I started studying... How shocking it was to learn all that we are NOT told.

I recommended this channel to a couple of friends.

Hi, I could not assist while you were on line as it was 1-2 o'clock. Nonetheless I did the following morning. One more thing, I am not from Austria rather from Italy. I live in the countryside and I use an Austrian 4G provider. Great teaching in understanding the Bible . Thank you very much

Glad you popped up on my KZread. Can you color code the books with the percentage or likelihood of origin with a key? So Matthew for example has unique writing and book of Q

2 1/2 hour!! ❤❤ Thanks

Missed it. Gosh darn it. Darn it to Heck and back. Well thanks for posting anywho

Super bummer I missed it Live. I was on notification too. Argh.

@SeattleDinghyer

2 ай бұрын

Me, too.. grr

@NuisanceMan

2 ай бұрын

KZread's notifications are notoriously unreliable.

@maryhitchcock-nn1nm

2 ай бұрын

Ah makes sense. Thanks for the tip!

@todradmaker4297

Ай бұрын

I'm subscribed with the notification button turned on and I never get notified. I have to actively seek it out when it's scheduled to air.

I'd heard that 'Q' is called 'Q' because it comes from German scholars, and 'Quelle' is German for source.. maybe I heard that from you John?

@mathildehuisman7464

2 ай бұрын

There are a lot of things I know nowadays, that I think I learned from John 😊

@denaisaacthiswasgreat.thum7598

2 ай бұрын

I heard it from John.

@HamerToronto

2 ай бұрын

Yes, that's correct! Probably heard it here :)

@jahunmoayedzadeh9194

2 ай бұрын

Correct heard it from Bart erhman and James tabor

@origenjerome8031

2 ай бұрын

The guy who first called it Q was a German theologian in the 1800s. This is not a new idea from today's scholars.

Really like including a bibliography at the end, thanks! Great lecture

Another excellent lecture. Thank you!

very interesting your point history/theology...I submit to you that the ground question we should start with is: how to know that history of humanity is TRUE knowing that it is written by people that all have different perception of things according to their belief system ? any eye witness even today depends on how good is his perception/expression/integrity/belief system...that is why we look for other witnesses to make the matter MORE close to the truth

Thanks for these.

Love all your videos!

Fantastic. It seems that the most authentic sayings are rather trivial, being honored in your hometown, care for the poor, while the important sayings, the establishment of a church, christology. The road to salvation are the most troubling.

John, I was going to post this on the Kirkland video. However I can no longer find it. I know you get a lot of messages etc. I want to say! Thank you for what you do... I was baptized Baptist, my father was Seventh Day Adventist, and attended an Episcopal Church for much of my teenage years .. I am a US Army vet of 3 tours to Iraq and 1 to Haiti. I have enjoyed your lectures because it has drawn me closer to my faith when I have struggled to see any reason. Thank youl!

@HamerToronto

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for your kind words and for your service.

Hi. I am greek. Let me confirm the word petra means stone. It refers to the fact peter is one of the stones of the 12 stones mentioned in revelation. Stones are being built up. Peter is only one stone/ disciple of the foundation stones of the faith of the WAY the main command to love. Taking the building of the temple literally is a mistake. Believers are being built up spiritual consciousness makes one rich mentally strong. The weak consciousness makes one materially rich

Question! I always wondered if Jesus' hometown rejection was maybe included/preserved in the gospels as a jab at Jesus' family and possibly James' church in Jerusalem? I do think the sentiment "no prophet is without honor except in his hometown" is authentic, but it would be interesting to know how the framing of the story came together.

@TheWendybird123

Ай бұрын

Agree. It seems that those who were proponents of Peter were trying to marginalize the family of Jesus, and especially James, the leader of the movement in Jerusalem post-crucifixion.

@todradmaker4297

Ай бұрын

@@TheWendybird123 According to Paul, Peter and James were of the same mind set.

Thank You Shepard.❤

I'm wondering and hopefully there is a video with the differences between historical Jesus and the religious figure of Jesus

@langreeves6419

2 ай бұрын

Yes, he has done a lecture on that

Amazing channel. Great content and delivery

"Which Sayings of Jesus Are Authentic?" _This_ should be an interesting lecture.

@sciptick

2 ай бұрын

Since about everything Mark is seen to have his Jesus say is paraphrased from Paul's opinions, the conservative choice would be "none". Certainly Paul writing in the 50s, and 1 Clement in the 60s, show no hint of having ever heard of any Jesus saying or doing literally anything. Paul never has to explain why his opinions don't contradict Jesus's.

"Hey, everybody, where's the wine?" "He" truly said this😜

Thanks!

@HamerToronto

2 ай бұрын

You're very welcome, thank you for your support.

@centre-place

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for supporting the channel!!

Concerning the painting of Christ Pantocrator from Saint Catherine's Monastery, who did the mirroring? and who decided which half was the divine and human forms?

@biggernumber1

2 ай бұрын

Because they have them mixed up, obviously.

Love that you are convinced there is an independent witness at the core of the Gospel of Thomas. I do too. These are more esoteric sayings Jesus shared only with more spiritually advanced disciples - oral mystical tradition that had not meant to be written down. They are the meat teachings that even Paul referred to; unfortunately today most people only ever receive the milk teachings for the "babes in Christ". Nondualism or a consciousness of oneness, where separation from God and everyone/everything is the illusion or the lie, is at the heart of the teachings in the GoT - and discovering who one truly is as a child of God. And this is hard for many people to understand who are still in a dualistic good/evil and judging perception or mindset. The Kingdom is within you! Thank you, John and Centre Place!

Not to be disrespectful, but since it came up in the beginning: I really love all your lectures and am still not subscribed to the channel. The reason is quite simple, and I suspect it applies to other viewers: I don't care about all the other videos on the channel. I seem to recall that youtube used to have a feature where a channel could be divided into 'shows' or something of the sort, and you could then subscribe to these shows without subscribing to the entire channel. I may be misremembering, and I don't know if that is still possible, but that would be a neat solution.

@normative

2 ай бұрын

I’ll actually cosign this: I’d love to subscribe to a channel with all John’s historical lectures but am not really interested in the more frequent liturgical material.

@HamerToronto

2 ай бұрын

I appreciate this feedback. We'll see if there's some way we can segregate things. We publish the lectures as a category with the hope that people interested in the list are only getting prompted for that category, but we don't control the platform's algorithm. We'll explore options, thanks!

@xp8969

2 ай бұрын

Being subscribed doesn't force you to watch, all it does is let you know when new videos get posted, it's your choice which ones you watch

@Jaggerbush

2 ай бұрын

@@xp8969 right?!?! These people are acting like they are paying for this or it's somehow eating up space on their hard drive! Idiots.

Thank you for a great lecture. I think it is difficult to say with certain to make positive claims of what Jesus said. It is easier to say what he did not say . For example, any Greek wordplay statements such as John 3:16, Jesus would not have said. Anything on the cross, Would not have been from Jesus. What I find interesting is Mark’s account of Jesus’ last words on the cross. When Jesus is last words quoting Psalm 22 in Aramaic, the surrounding people say Jesus is calling out to Elijah. So, the people were close enough to hear something, but enough to misunderstand what they were hearing. It could be that Jesus was calling out to God, but no one could actually hear what he was saying. Therefore, in order to make it conform to Scripture, Mark put Psalm 22 on Jesus’ lips.

brilliant stuff

*Book of Mark and Paul* Mark in 1:1 is titled “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ.” _Some manuscripts add “… the Son of God.”_ That most likely refers to Paul’s word -gospel. Mark is apparently saying that he is writing a prequel to Paul’s claims. So when the young man says Jesus is going to Galilee to meet the disciples, that would tie in to Paul’s claims of Peter, etc, seeing Jesus

O God we pray to see Your lite and feel Your zeal.. make our lives filled with Your love... Let us receive the wisdom and knowledge to understand Your truth... Give us strength and power of mind to maintain order. Let Your will be done now and at the judgement... Let all things be eliminated that may interfere .. May our destiny be victory with JESUS forever and ever..... John

Great work

Enjoyable!

If there are 922 views there should be 922 likes😊

@miyojewoltsnasonth2159

2 ай бұрын

The ratio I'm seeing as I begin is 314 likes on 1011 views. That's a pretty high percentage.

@NuisanceMan

2 ай бұрын

Equal views to likes would suggest divine intervention.

Anybody else feel a lack of fluidity to this lecture?

How can there be any?

Looking for the things said by historical Jesus is like trying to find what historical Dracula said in Bram Stoker's book.

I was always taught in my Protestant evangelical church that “rock” meant foundation of knowledge but not in reference to Peter and was wondering if there would be a way to know the difference

@wboyle9721

Ай бұрын

Peter also means unripe grape

Heck yeah brother

Whats with the hand gesture the painter gave Jesus at around 5:00 minutes in to the video? Im pretty sure ive seen many religious figures painted making that gesture

@hygujiuy

2 ай бұрын

I think it is a sign language for ICXC which is an abbreviation of Jesus Christ in Greek. Just to make it clear that this is a picture of him. Also heard that Christians used it when greeting each other sort of like a gang sign.

I subscribed

Good lecture. However, it could be shorter and less jumping from topic to topic. In the end it's hard to understand what point lecturer is making.

one thing I would find helpful, is just how many believers or Christians were there, by the end of 90 AD? was it a popular cult, or was it just a belief that wasn't strengthened yet by those in Roman power or the Church? Was Mithraism more popular than Christianity UNTIL 320 Ad? if the truth and miracles of Jesus were real, shouldn't there be a LOT of Jesus followers by 90 AD?

@xp8969

2 ай бұрын

Without cameras, communication technology, and an ability to travel faster than you can walk it wasn't a simple matter for ideas to spread

@lukeyznaga7627

2 ай бұрын

okay, but still. hard to believe that 100 years later, other authorities and nations hadn't heard about Jesus and what he did and his followers.@@xp8969

@lukeyznaga7627

2 ай бұрын

It would be the travelling merchants that spread the word the fastest. via their boats and their "camel trains".@@xp8969

@todradmaker4297

Ай бұрын

It is difficult to know the exact numbers, but there is evidence that there were Christian communities throughout the Mediterranean region by 90 AD.

@lukeyznaga7627

Ай бұрын

@@todradmaker4297 thats kind of important.

How can we even know?

1:13:35 what is the word for church? What did it mean, when there was no church while Jesus was alive?

@cornstar1253

2 ай бұрын

Synagogue

@user-mb7sc1ob2w

2 ай бұрын

Temple

@centre-place

Ай бұрын

In the New Testament, when the English word "church" appears, it translates from the Greek word ἐκκλησία (ekklēsia), which can be understood as "assembly."

Another fire 100% Hamer lecture!

Is this the first lecture with ad breaks? They are so... jarring in comparison to the talk.

@centre-place

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. This is a setting change from the platform and not our intention. We will correct it as soon as possible.

@bubbles581

2 ай бұрын

Not sure if it's the case here, I think YT took away some ability to control mid video ads 😢 i got YT premium a while back and it's been very worth it

Is there a gospel supposedly written by Jesus Christ? I’d be really interested in that

@michaelhenry1763

2 ай бұрын

No, there is not, but I believe there is a non-canonical letter supposedly written by Jesus.

shouldnt historical jesus be a wee bit darker?

I thought the breaking of bread was like saying sharing a meal and that it means to remember Jesus and his sacrifice when you break bread or drink wine, which everyone did. Also bread is symbolic isnt it?

@patrickkish6662

2 ай бұрын

Yes, and yes? I've baked and shared many loaves of bread. And one of the metaphorical interpretations I've made(within myself), is that when we purify the truth of our being, through Christ, and share that loving truth with others, that may be akin to us also being an extension of the bread of God. But I feel this action must be of the purest intent of love, and selflessness.

@mutamirmukhzani1240

Ай бұрын

It's his knowledge and teachings. That's why there's something in Paul's teaching that states it's not what goes inside your body that's unclean rather what goes out that does. If you think about it how does that makes sense when jesus himself observe kosher?

Thanks for this. Feedback: Is there any way this lecture could be set out in a simpler and clearer way? Maybe I am lacking in intellect but I found it hard to understand. What I got from it after listening for about 20 minutes is that … actually I don’t even know. Would it be possible to have a simple overview of the main purpose and points of the lecture at the beginning so that it is more accessible to non-experts?

@centre-place

Ай бұрын

Thank you for the feedback, we are working on shorter length content, but I assure you that if you watch more of our lectures you will start to get a much better sense of how everything fits together.

"like and subscribe" he finally caved in. On one hand this channel would be bigger if he caved in sooner. On the other it wouldn't be as cool if it was more popular.

All are authentic ... Amen

@cecileroy557

2 күн бұрын

OK - please explain how we supposedly know EXACTLY what Jesus said when he was being questioned before he was crucified... since Jesus didn't live to tell us. In any event, you choose to believe all of it because of your religious beliefs and that's 100% up to you.

Excelente!

The idea that the story must be true if embarrassing is tenuous at best. I have heard some claim that the women seeing Jesus rise from the grave must be true because such a macho culture would never accept claims from women. This fails when you remember that this episode ties to the cult of dionysus who had women see dionysus raise from the dead.

@normative

20 күн бұрын

Nobody says they “must” be true; just that other things equal they are more likely to be historical. Your example isn’t a good objection to the principle because, as you yourself note, it overlooks the good reasons early Christians might have to invent such a story: in the instance, because women were involved in funerary preparations and would be plausible characters to find the tomb… and because the empty tomb in itself is not particularly important evidence for the resurrection. It just illustrates we can’t be sloppy about assuming what’s embarrassing or dissimilar.

short answer: 2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. and Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. More so: 1 Co 3:19 , Pro 3:5-6 ok God bless!

the Gospels as literature which is literature as Art. So the "paintings' or gospel literature is Theological, not historicity. NOW THAT makes a lot more sense and would have helped Christianity grow into something benevolent and good. B UT IT DIDN'T. It was hijacked by Puritans, charismatics and some small sects of PRotestants.

Why is, "Which Jesus are we talking about?", such a non-issue question?????

Many of the sayings of Jesus are very similar to those found in the Dead Sea scrolls, so most probably like John the Baptist, Jesus was influenced by the Essenes. They also often rephrase passages from what is now the Old Testament (or the Hebrew Bible, the Tanahk). BTW, the brother of Jesus, James the Just, the leader of the first Christians in Jerusalem after Jesus's death wasn't "executed" but was martyred -- the Sanhedrin pushed him off the Temple Mount & then finished of the severely injured man by stoning him.

I wish I had been able to ask this during the lecture: In Matthew there is the passage John Hamer quotes about "Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, " but in the gospel of Matthew itself, there are many examples of Jesus and his followers breaking the old laws. The break the Sabbath (Matt 12), Jesus touches a leper to heal him (Matt 18), or follow food taboos (Matt 15:11)he does not preach to "honour the mother and thy father" (Matt 8:21, 12:48, 10:35) Jesus wont even let a follower bury his own father! And that isnt even all of the examples, JUST in the Gospel of Matthew, where Jesus is definitely NOT following every iota of the old law. So would it be more likely that not only is Matt 5:17-18 probably not an authentic saying of Jesus, nut that it is also most likely not even originally a part of the Gospel of Matthew, but rather a later redaction by an editor?

@TorianTammas

Ай бұрын

The simple answer is we have so many gospels as non of them agreed with the other and so each author made there only true version and all others are false.

@Rannsack

Ай бұрын

@@TorianTammas Im only talking about Gosdepl of Matthew. gMatthew is contradicting itself. That's the problem. See examples above, all from the gospel of Matthew alone.

@TorianTammas

Ай бұрын

We have inconsistances in Robin Hood and Harry Potter, authors often are inconsistent in their stiry telling. Otherwise an author can have contradicting content he combines. Last but not least editors can put in or alter whatever they choose to.

@Rannsack

Ай бұрын

@@TorianTammas Yes, and since the part about the "iota of the law" is only in gMatt and is unattested anywhere else, it would seem possible for it to be later redaction.

The stoning of the adulterous woman was lacking in the laws demand that both the man and woman were to be stoned . Was it a pharisee that was omitted from punishment in that case ?

@michaelhenry1763

2 ай бұрын

Who knows. All we know it was a story written into John by latter scribes.

22:11 I disagree. I do not think Paul was passing along a tradition. He wrote he received his new ritual directly from Jesus. I think he made it up in an attempt to create new rituals for his new gentile Christians. In other places, Paul says when he gets traditions from others. The lord’s supper was not one of them.

That's easy; if authentic is taken to mean - authoritative, authorised, verified = authenticated, - then the texts received, accepted and handed on in the traditions of the Catholic Church are the 'authentic' voice of the Word made flesh, He who spoke with divine authority (regardless of the language in which men recorded that teaching). The Syriac texts, aka a formalised written Aramaic, like the Coptic versions, are later translations or transliterations of the Greek forms; for even in Christ's lifetime Greek was the written form for literature intended to be read widely .. as was the semi-official Latin, later French, and now English - i.e. the 'holy' languages used on Christ's gibbet = Hebrew, Greek and Latin (these were not the spoken language of the people). Thus the various formats of the Good News and Christian Testament and its Preaching would 'originally' have been spoken in the speaker's own tongue but also formed into a language better known locally - cf Simon Peter (the Rock's choice of rock) with his simple tradesman Galilean Aramaic (quite unlike the refined, if inelegantly expressed, Hellenistic Rabbinical Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek of Saul called Paul). But the 'genuine' form - as finally set down on paper - was naturally that of the then common tradesman kinds of dispersed Greek (with Latinisations where needed), usually relying on the Alexandrian Greek translations and transliterations of the earlier Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek texts accepted as 'all scripture' aka the Septuagint versions. Note that, the 'original', 'genuine' and 'authentic' are not synonyms though these apply - differently - to the same texts; the authentic forms of the genuine texts of the original words were those customarily (then traditionally) used in Christian liturgies, as in the Catholic Eucharistic Sacrifice, etc; so reimposing a transliteration or translation of a Latin(-ised) Greek form of an Aramaic term turned back into a written Aramaic format does not give one the authentic, genuine or indeed the original form used .. only an extra layer of post-mortem interpretation; knowing the meanings (there are usually more than one) of the terms in English, Latin, Greek and Aramaic / Hebrew can add to our understanding .. yet not replace the text actually received, accepted and handed on as 'all scripture' - which is, in and of itself, inspired or god-breathed or gifted (not just an accidental record of the spoken words). Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o) P.S. If you find the above difficult to follow just try wading through the stuff today's biblical text scholars wade through, invent or publish.

@michaelhenry1763

2 ай бұрын

Authentic is used to mean historical

@TheLeonhamm

2 ай бұрын

@@michaelhenry1763 Ah! Yes. That is even closer to the Tradition expressed (at one time, if no longer) in Rome's Catholicism. History alters even while it does not change; the 'historical' .. Jesus .. is that of Catholicism, it holds the copyright values on what it received, accepted, and handed on (traditio/ traditionis); and that is as close as we can come to the Word made flesh, a man like us in all things except sin, The Lord: Jesus called the Christ (the Messiah, or Anointed). True Church Latin as used in today's Anglo-Saxon milieu is rather different in sound and spelling, though not meaning, to that of 19th century England or used in the 14th century, or in pre-Anglo-Saxon Britain etc; that is history. So too the words spoken, and the meaning given them, by the divine Son born of the Virgin Mary, as they were received or understood, and interpreted, and translated into written Greek (of the common sort); all this is history. But the actual man, the men (and women) about him, and those who heard them and their witness and recorded it in these writings cannot be ripped from that history - other than in fanciful reconstructive and therefore deceptive imaginative interpretation; and that, dear soul, is neither history nor historical (but more or less private interpretation of those inspired texts). Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o) Note well: The Christ of the Catholic Tradition may be rather oddly balanced in presenting Jesus .. and His Good News .. but it is the historical record, and it was recorded in Greek for better or worse.

@michaelhenry1763

2 ай бұрын

@@TheLeonhamm I think you are pretty much correct. There is real no ability to separate out the Jesus of Nazareth of the first century from the Christ of faith.

The sayings that people try to ignore are the most authentic. Easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle..., love thy neighbor..., forgive others as you would have others..., think not of tomorrow..., turn the other cheek, no praying in public...,

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I guess you are Seeking Him for that is a good thing. Seek Ask Knock but all the doubt is like a black cloud over you and worse you profess these doubts to an audience. Mtt 12:36 , 2 Pt 2:1 Mtt 10:33 I am praying your eyes will open in the Name of Christ Jesus. Jn 17:17 God bless

@todradmaker4297

Ай бұрын

If something is true it should withstand the test of doubt.

ref. to 39:04 - Yes, to the third and no, to the fourth bullet point. Embarrassment, and Consistency. To Christian Understanding, answer unknown. to Multiple attestation, no. These are my opinions. My life experience and learning makes me say these things.

There were 291 likes when i started this video and its ending at 386. 👍

If one were to apply this man's historical methodlogy more generally, one could discount the historical veracity of almost anything anyone said or did over a generation ago.

@jefffarris9238

Ай бұрын

Right, but people don’t consider those people divine. With Jesus there are theological and religious considerations. And in any case, historical scholars DO question whether or not someone said something, unless they wrote it down. Which Jesus did not.

@jessebengson1015

Ай бұрын

The inference I am getting from your statement is that the divine should be doubted? @@jefffarris9238

I truly think that if Yeshua Ben Pantera met Paul, and listened to what Paul said about him, Yeshua would have asked, "Who the hell are you talking about? Certainly NOT me!"

@jeffreyerwin3665

2 ай бұрын

"Yeshu" is the Galilean form.

its all very nice to make prophecies to any people. but when the prophecy has to be fulfilled many centuries later, how does that help at all the people who were initially preached to or prophesized to in the first place? If a prophecy is not quickly proven, its phoney and if you wait long enough, many events can seem to fulfill a prophecy, especially if you have some one TELL you, that the prophecy is fulfilled, with any proof.

Why not? He did seal with his own blood his law. You know his law that you give the one to others in two of you. If not break the law of Jesus anyone cannot enter to the kingdom of God. The story of the guy that break the hard law of Jesus is the servent of God in Isaiah 42 and 53

54:00 I don't see this argument as valid. They were beggars: can't trust their stories.

According to God a true prophet would have to teach His Covenant words given at Mount Sinai - which can be observed via the teachings of Jesus in Matthew's Sermon on the Mount - are - if we first understand Matthew was altered by Rome. Bathe the text in the Covnant Standards and words of God - and then you will be able to see where Rome altered it and realize he was restoring what Judaism also altered 1000 years before him. Onediscipletoanother as an organization has a link for the Hebrew Matthew and exposes the real truth about this fact - anyone should be able to see it.

I differ from your understanding regarding the historic Jesus. Although there are bits of Truth in what you teach, certainly there is error intermingled with it. Modern literary criticism nor modern scholars will never, ever, have the insight nor access to the historic Jesus for the same reasons you cite: too far removed in space and time, both spiritually and culturally from the real Jesus to know what is Truth and thus distinguish gnostic lies trickling in through your words, certainly unaware. We believe in the sole authoriy of the Church, guided through the Holy Spirit promised by Chrisit, and what the canonical Gospels have to say both literally and spiritually through authoritative exegesis via the apostolic fathers and Doctors of the Church, ancient witness to the message of salvation of the historic Jesus: much, much closer witnesses to the historic Jesus and the primitive Christian Church doctrine and praxis, who gave their lives for Christ defending the Truth no matter what. Modern textual criticism has its place, but certainly modern scholars will never have the last word on Biblical exegesis and the real historic Jesus in lieu of the aforementioned. As per your own standards, the so called Biblical scholars and textual critics have nothing new to add to the historical Jesus: simply put, you are TOO FAR removed in space and time from the real Jesus. Like Muslims, many scholars, specially misguided ones, haters of Truth, are bent on decostructing Jesus with the evil aim of turning Him into just another great man, prophet, guru or gnostic facsimilie. It is high time for Protestantism and its 40,000 spawns to value CHRISTIAN TRADITION and PEREMNIAL DOCTRINE, AS TAUGHT BY THE REAL MAGISTERIUM, CUSTODIAN OF THE DEPOSIT OF THE FAITH, and PRAXIS of the PRIMITIVE CHRISTIAN CHURCH, and avoid getting farther and farther away from the historic Jesus via endless elucubrations on the Biblical text that only HAS LEAD to confusion and deconstruction OF THE FAITH OF MANY by Biblical Textual Critics engaged in this work with the aim of making a living selling books. No wonder why Mother Church in the middle ages did not allow the layman to engage in sola scriptura reading and private exegesis, which has proven to confuse, separate, more than to unite and enlighten Christians. The Bible is clear on this: private interpretation of the word of God is an error, an error that misguided Martin Luther postulated and promoted. In sum, textual criticims is a two-edge sword, more likely to do harm than good, planting doubt and endless conjectures it can never prove nor disprove with certainty in their ephimerous and misguided quest to get closer to the "real Jesus". Sorry, too far removed in time, space, cultural and spiritual context Jesus. It is only through Bilblically-based sacramental life and the grace thus received from Jesus through them that man nourishes himself with santifying grace of God. Protestantism did away with all of it, and for this reason Martin Luther's judgement day will not be a good one; a man known to have been steep in obcesive fears for his salvation, not inclined to be a priest, fond of drinking, eating, and lusted over a nun who eventually became his wife. Furthermore, Martin Luther ultimately led to the death of 40,000,000 Chrisitian deaths following the Catholic-Protestant fraticidal wars. Run away from apostate protestantism, Calvinism, and its exegetical confusion, and come home to the Plenitiude of the Faith and Truch, as Jesus intended for His Church, Pillar and Bastion of Truth: the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, which in spite of enemies within her today trying to destroy it, it will never be as Jesus Himself promised that the gates of hell will never prevail over her. And I believe in the words of Jesus: do you being intellectually and spiritually a product of protestantism? Come home and receive the real Jesus, not a symbolically but in reality, because if we don't eat the True Body of Christ and drink the True Blood of Christ in the Eucharist, as Jesus Himself said the Bible: there is no life in us! Read it, this is literally what Jesus said! Blessings! Sins of Islam Monitor @IslamSins in X

It would be helpful if there were not so many words, thoughts, participle clauses, phrases, that precede conjunctions and prepositions instead of following them. Breathing. Taking a pause, a breath, a moment to allow for thinking, would be very helpful. Spacing words in clumps instead of breathless spewing, interrupted by bursts of giggles, would also help clarity as you dismantle and disseminate structures of Faith. Please consider a speech coach.

Peter, I can see your house from up here.

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@denaisaacthiswasgreat.thum7598

2 ай бұрын

12 now

Jesus tells us he is not the Jesus of the Bible.

What's recorded in the BIBLE are Jesus' *Authentic* sayings. VAST multitudes seeking truth *fail to find* because they're easily *led astray* by worldly logic, sensuality, vain esoterism or specious mysticisms. *I know I was.* I'm an ex neo-vedantic (hindu roots) new ager. I used to be into so much "cosmic/spiritual" stuff: trance channelings, ancient wisdom, gnosticism, psychedelic drugs, hindu gurus and buddhist variants. I was illuminated by the *kundalini (serpent) spirit* then 8 years ago I got rightly enlightened by the *Holy Spirit* - which showed me what a *fool* I was before..... Spirit led to the REAL *Yahusha/Jesus Christ* and everything changed - *Paradigm Shifted* ..... This is being *BORN AGAIN* and it's an ongoing surprise to me 😁 Spirituality is a *soul serious* business taken way too lightly by *far too many* ..... ..... the end-times are *dead ahead,* a time of tribulation and Antichrist is near. Sadly, it escapes the notice of our self-absorbed, glamour-saturated world that we're in a spiritual WAR for souls. The immensity of *ignorance* is astonishing: the dark powers are BEDAZZLING the minds of the masses (Ephesians 6:12). We've inherited ancient spiritual subversion: *the Earth is fallen* ..... the holistic fields of nature are degraded. *Death is all too familiar.* Natural life hunts, kills and feeds on itself. Humanity is a spiritually *fallen race* highly prone to *deceit and delusion* Frankly, we need a *SAVIOUR* and by Jesus Christ we have a *GREAT ONE* As a new ager I couldn't believe (I was *damn sure* I knew better) but in the *Light of Spirit* Jesus really is the *Way, the truth and the Life* just like He said: no one comes to GOD except through Jesus, there's no other way (Matthew 7:13-14). Being a neo-vedantist I wasn't convinced, yet, turns out the Bible is Spirit breathed, written by men inspired by the *Holy Spirit.* Jesus is vividly portrayed and endorsed in the new testament, in fact he's apparent in the old testament too (Luke 24:27 & 44) and by *His LIGHT* we're allowed to *see* that and *know Him.* Any previously perceived discrepancies or contradictions are ironed out and the supernatural narrative flows most beautifully..... . ....... the Bible is the Revelation of *Jesus Christ* (Isaiah 2:2-4; 9:6-7 & 45:23, Matthew 28:18, Mark 14:61-62, Revelation 1:7-8 & 18, Rev 19:11-21)

Jesus says nothing in that book....it's all anecdotal

The answer is: Zero.

@michaelhenry1763

2 ай бұрын

Love it 😂

@jeffreyerwin3665

2 ай бұрын

LOL!!

@sciptick

2 ай бұрын

For a Jesus to have been quoted authentically, he would have had to have existed. What we have instead is Mark paraphrasing Paul's opinions to come up with things for his Jesus to say. It must have been good for silencing quarrels.

@jeffreyerwin3665

2 ай бұрын

@@sciptick Nonsense. Archaeology has proven the existence of Yeshu ben Pantera. The Sign of Jonah falsifies your hypothesis.

1.18 upon the church- means that Peter which means stone which means a sin "so upon this rock I willl build a church of sin " leading Men astray kind of thing- in a gnostic text it also says about peter - jesus says "you will be lead to places you do not want to go- & dressed in clothes you do not wish to wear- p.s love the channel

@hygujiuy

2 ай бұрын

I must be a natural Gnostic because when I was a kid in the 70's I hated getting dressed up in polyester suits and clip on ties and really uncomfortable shoed and going to Sunday School was a lot happier to dress in jeans and tee shirt and tennis shoes 👟 and go fishing.

@michaelhenry1763

2 ай бұрын

I thought Petros comes from Petra ( Rock) meaning something like Rocky. How is the word “ sin” associated with Petra?

@danielasontomankind3536

2 ай бұрын

@@michaelhenry1763 he who is without sin cast the 1st stone - & other such sayings to do with metaphorical language

@michaelhenry1763

2 ай бұрын

@@danielasontomankind3536 thank you for sharing. The John pericope is a later interpolation by a scribe after the New Testament was written. The story is not linking the entomology of the word sin to the word stone. So do they sound similar in Greek?

@danielasontomankind3536

2 ай бұрын

@@michaelhenry1763 okay- how about the parable of the sower on rocky ground? i appreciate your reply- Maybe as i think about it -the rock is the spiritual punishment as sin is to miss the mark -to be sinless hitting the ,mark - casting of stones- at one another- yet always missing the mark? who knows! "people in glass houses etc" But this i do know 100% that BRead in the LOrds prayer was & is an Aremic mtaphor for knowledge - Thanks for you reply & in the words of very famous MOvie "blessed are the cheese makers lol"

The damn picture isn't even authentic

@LeeGee

Ай бұрын

No!

In Matthew 12 Jesus defined what he called "the Sign of Jonah" by way of a prophecy that his burial would be for a duration of less than 72 hours. 20th century studies of his burial shroud have confirmed that his body was removed from that shroud in less than 48 hours after his death. Therefore, Jesus prophecy of a short term burial is validated, which indicates that he actually must have spoken those words. "For just as the prophet Jonah remained in the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights." See: The Image on the Turin Shroud Is "The Sign of Jonah" For Our Generation!, by Rev. Larry Stalley, 2020 and: The Enigma of the Sign of Jonah, BSTS Shroud Newletter, Issue No. 97, Summer 2023

@todradmaker4297

Ай бұрын

Jesus died at 3:00 on Friday afternoon and rose from the dead by Sunday morning; so about 40 hours.

@jeffreyerwin3665

Ай бұрын

@@todradmaker4297 TY. 40 hours is less than 72.

none.

@michaelhenry1763

2 ай бұрын

Most likely.

If it was Jewish literature the good Samaritan was not written by a Hebrew person Read it

@todradmaker4297

Ай бұрын

There is a good chance that the person who wrote Luke wasn't Jewish. You will notice that the most Jewish Gospel of Matthew doesn't have this story.

If you haven't already, read Thomas Sowell. He brought me, a lifelong liberal, back into the light of facts, reason and common-sense.

@normative

2 ай бұрын

What on earth does Sowell, an economist, have to do with the topic of this lecture? Do you just spam that on random videos?

@michaelhenry1763

2 ай бұрын

Are you still a liberal? I don’t understand.

Yes, theological truth is INVENTED truth that express principles and sometimes that principle is no longer important, its out of date for example the principle that Mary was a virgin when giving birth ,to Jesus , what is more true(?) That Mary had sexual relations with a man and gave birth to Jesus or she was impregnant by god and gave birth as a virgin? When this kind of principle ( an idea about Marys virginity) actually gives very substantial consecvenses for all Christian women, where mothers idealy is not to be sexually active but " virgins".? Since many Christian women are forced to be stay at home mums , out of religious preferens as a social pressure situation, she very often isolates herself with the child because neither she or her husband regard her after becoming a mother , as a sexual individual. And this idea is not brought up as a contious thought its the underlying ideal. Principles are important when it comes to for example science , but if you just invent " truth" to explain a principle the principle of truth is lost , and if the principle of actual truth is lost , what value does that REALLY give the theological truth?

1-Just because each author has different perspectives on who Jesus is( as they should), it is still in the genre of “Lives” or Ancient Biography. 2-The overwhelming evidence upon the collection and distribution of Scripture and where they came from is in line with eyewitness testimony that is not Anonymous 3-This is not “art work” and this type of terminology is intellectually dishonest and misleading

"Artwork"does not show Truth,