Which F1 Team has the MOST POWER?

Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары

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Who has the best engine this year? Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull or Alpine?
They’ve all developed these engines to be the best they can be within the rules, but each have taken very slightly different approaches - so which one is best?
We’ve analysed acceleration data from every race this season to see which comes out on top - and the order isn’t what you’d expect. Honestly, when we pulled the data together - all of us here in the office were a bit confused.
And this in weeks race, power matters a lot. Azerbaijan has lots of HEAVY acceleration zones and a really, really long straight.
Let's get into it.
Now, we must explain first that these engines are REALLY close this year. The rules look to have done their job, with no clear frontrunner in terms of power.
Which for the past 6 or 7 years, hasn’t been the case. Mercedes got it right with the new rules in 2014, nailing their Turbo-Hybrid format straight off the bat, leaving everyone else catching up.
But they have caught up. We expect the majority of the teams have somewhere around 1050 horsepower available to them, and the difference between the best and the worst isn’t more than about 15 horsepower. So really not a lot.
With that said, the engines do differ. So let's break down these differences.
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  • @MannequinSmiles
    @MannequinSmiles Жыл бұрын

    i will literally buy and ship scarbs a $100 usb mic if he agrees to use it.

  • @waghak27

    @waghak27

    Жыл бұрын

    ??????

  • @andresmcjr

    @andresmcjr

    Жыл бұрын

    Bro what? 🤣

  • @Atlas.Brooklyn

    @Atlas.Brooklyn

    Жыл бұрын

    @@andresmcjr scarbs is notorious for his dogwater quality microphone

  • @PaulKentSkates

    @PaulKentSkates

    Жыл бұрын

    Even a $20 smartphone lav would sound way better.

  • @gurraglad

    @gurraglad

    Жыл бұрын

    MVP. I hope he agrees 😂

  • @hattorihonzo8340
    @hattorihonzo8340 Жыл бұрын

    Huge credit and respect to Honda. Developing an F1 power unit is so difficult in general let alone a truly competitive one (just look at how long it’s taken Renault/Alpine just to climb up the midfield) So to see them progress from the most laughed at engine supplier, to showing potential winning that first race in 2019, to now being arguably the strongest power unit in F1 in just a few years is such an insane achievement. You can tell they worked hard for that.

  • @memolano100

    @memolano100

    Жыл бұрын

    And such a shame they left right after the big achievement.

  • @ahmadtarmizi5582

    @ahmadtarmizi5582

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@memolano100 Honda still there, but RBR take care more. You can still see HRC logo in that car. Its about money dude

  • @jakeying8753

    @jakeying8753

    Жыл бұрын

    @@memolano100 at least they are still helping with the engine although they aren’t really in F1

  • @tomnewham1269

    @tomnewham1269

    Жыл бұрын

    I’m not convinced Honda has the strongest engine. The other engines might be turned down so as to finish strongly at the end of the season. But it is good that Honda now has a competitive engine and perhaps McLaren would have been better off if they had stuck with it.

  • @PK-xu7gu

    @PK-xu7gu

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tomnewham1269 They suffer the least losses as wear is added.

  • @Chyeahokay
    @Chyeahokay Жыл бұрын

    After seeing the alpines in Baku today, I am throughly impressed with their powerunit

  • @peeturpain9379

    @peeturpain9379

    Жыл бұрын

    That is because they are running monza spec wing, way waaaaay less drag than the rest. Also could be running much higher engine modes.

  • @michaeltelfer3483

    @michaeltelfer3483

    Жыл бұрын

    Basicaly no rear wing on the thing

  • @user-xn3li3uh2h

    @user-xn3li3uh2h

    Жыл бұрын

    They would perform great on qualify but maybe struggle long run in race because they only have tiny bit of down force.

  • @MashiatCOD99

    @MashiatCOD99

    Жыл бұрын

    @@user-xn3li3uh2h Other way around.

  • @areebsiddiqui758

    @areebsiddiqui758

    Жыл бұрын

    Alpine are running the least drag of any team. They're the slowest in the low speed corners but rapid down the straights.

  • @gpaje
    @gpaje Жыл бұрын

    Honda Racing Company (HRC) are working on Red Bull's engine exclusively until the end of 2025, RBPT is working only on the future 2026 motors. They haven't had a single mechanical issue on the Red Bull cars this year so far except for a sensor issue on Perez's car, where he still finished 4th. Their 3 DNFs were caused by fuel tank vacuum issue and a broken fuel line, none of which were directly tired to the combustion engines or hybrid systems. Red Bull's PUs are probably the most reliable this year so far, their fuel systems however?

  • @halofreak1990

    @halofreak1990

    Жыл бұрын

    Pretty much like last year, with Red Bull only exceeding their allowed number of engines due to being torpedoed or otherwise ran off the track, and not through any fault of their own

  • @gpaje

    @gpaje

    Жыл бұрын

    @@halofreak1990 Exactly, Silverstone and the race after where they were mugged by Bottas hurt their engine allocation for the rest of the year.

  • @slevingaius

    @slevingaius

    Жыл бұрын

    Wasnt surpised tbh although i did have doubts before the reveal of the results, afterall they are the engine supplier in Indycar too which already had been running on E10 fuels if im correct. Great to see Honda left no stone unturned, they made a masterpiece. I pressume they are still the smallest PU on the grid?

  • @benfulford3943

    @benfulford3943

    Жыл бұрын

    Are you aware of all the PU issues that alpha tauri have experienced? Yuki has retired at least twice because of drive train issues. I'm struggling to accept your exclusions with sensor and fuel line issues can't be counted as PU reliability. They've definitely struggled with reliability on their PUs. Way more than any of the Mercedes powered vehicles or Renault

  • @beanot2622

    @beanot2622

    Жыл бұрын

    @@benfulford3943 Looks like they send Alpha Tauris the sloppy seconds.

  • @billybobnaughtyknob895
    @billybobnaughtyknob895 Жыл бұрын

    I think the 2022 Azerbaijan Grand Prix tried to tell us that reliability is also important in determining who's got the best engine.

  • @alegresharamae4151

    @alegresharamae4151

    Жыл бұрын

    And after that we can say right now that mercedes have the best reliability.

  • @Frozander

    @Frozander

    Жыл бұрын

    @@alegresharamae4151 None of the RB PUs had reliability issues. All of their DNFs came from hydraulics and fuel pump related issues (standard part). As a car in general yeah Merc has the best reliability but in terms of PU RB still haven't had an issue.

  • @snoopythedog3266

    @snoopythedog3266

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Frozander DNF's are a problem. Apparently Covid which closed many of the sub factories working on the engines is giving some problems of reliability

  • @F1Tom2005

    @F1Tom2005

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Frozander meanwhile Ferrari get to see their car blow up every few weeks

  • @user-pc5qj2ix2c

    @user-pc5qj2ix2c

    9 ай бұрын

    @@alegresharamae4151 Your comment didn't age well. RB is a class apart. it's a formula 1+ racing in the formula 1 class (like mercedes, ferrari and mclaren have managed in the past)

  • @abbasrizvi4953
    @abbasrizvi4953 Жыл бұрын

    Honda has always pride itself by calling themselves Engine Manufacturers not Automakers.

  • @mick8473

    @mick8473

    Жыл бұрын

    Imagine if Honda weren't crippled by that stupid token system.

  • @pauls5745

    @pauls5745

    Жыл бұрын

    it's funny they are ducking out but still not ducking out

  • @MrGtubedude

    @MrGtubedude

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mick8473 u could say that about all the manufacturers…

  • @abbasrizvi4953

    @abbasrizvi4953

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mick8473 I never quite understood how the token system played out. But I think Renault also was seriously affected by this. As I can recall it was put in effect in 2015 and was suppose to go all the way to 2020. I think Hondas come a long way, though their motor can be unrealiable at times but it's showing some serious results. Mercs with the most reliable engine is still 2/10th off the pace

  • @namenamename390
    @namenamename390 Жыл бұрын

    When the Renault (Alpine) engine isn't even in the thubmnail El Pain

  • @aayush9437

    @aayush9437

    Жыл бұрын

    That was the first thing I noticed :((

  • @Losthillz
    @Losthillz Жыл бұрын

    Respect to Honda. Came into the sport late and still beat the likes of Mercedes and Ferrari engines.

  • @brendankelly2653

    @brendankelly2653

    Жыл бұрын

    Brother, if one thing Honda knows how to do, it's engines. Even Honda lawnmowers are good and reliable 😁

  • @Tansle620

    @Tansle620

    Жыл бұрын

    huh? They have been in an out of the sport since the 60's

  • @mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168

    @mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168

    Жыл бұрын

    @@brendankelly2653 no one makes the kind of power from a litre engine, they way honda does. The Vtec kicks in yo!

  • @guccipucci69420

    @guccipucci69420

    Жыл бұрын

    Lol what do you mean came late and beat them? They joined McLaren in 2015 a year after the engine rule change and had absolutely dismal pace, 2020 was the start of them catching up

  • @cafesociety8525

    @cafesociety8525

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 I mean they make the least powerful 1000cc bikes so...

  • @christianorsa
    @christianorsa Жыл бұрын

    these engines are so fascinating & complex for someone who doesn't know that much about these things.

  • @blacksterangel
    @blacksterangel Жыл бұрын

    I don’t quite buy the theory that Mercedes engines are tuned down to improve reliability while waiting for chassis to improve. For Mercedes work team, it’s plausible. But Williams and Aston Martin? These guys would need all the help they could have to score points. And I think if the engine has a rocket mode they’d use it every weekend even if they end up using 5 engines in this season.

  • @CJr_M

    @CJr_M

    Жыл бұрын

    It wouldn't make sense to use the highest engine performance if it's just going to worsen the cars driveability. That's what I've gotten from the performance from their engine this year. McLaren seem to have the more stable chassis and it's therefore the team that's more suitable to use this engine at it's best performing spec.

  • @peeturpain9379

    @peeturpain9379

    Жыл бұрын

    in spain, with their new spec engine, they were the fastest in a straightline. This proved that they were running the engine in lower modes previously because of porpoising. Because there was hardly any porpoising in spain they could run it more optimally.

  • @saberline152

    @saberline152

    Жыл бұрын

    all the customer teams have to use the same settings as the team that provides the engine if I'm not mistaken, that's why it can hurt cars like Williams and AM more, the Mclaren seems to do better at times, the teams themselves have stated that their cars are just not optimal yet

  • @arnoldmbuthia2687

    @arnoldmbuthia2687

    Жыл бұрын

    You sound like a Mercedes naysayer

  • @simon9548

    @simon9548

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peeturpain9379 no, they just had lower downforce setup than Ferrari and Redbull

  • @GelsonMwale
    @GelsonMwale Жыл бұрын

    I love your videos. Truly appreciate the massive effort in producing them.

  • @964cuplove
    @964cuplove Жыл бұрын

    Please please dive deeper into,all the technical details in the engine, pre-ignition the funny crank assembly, the inter coolers etc. etc I’d love to get more insight into all of these things !!!

  • @guaranteedgenius7895
    @guaranteedgenius7895 Жыл бұрын

    "A very slightly different approach" love it

  • @daferrarifan
    @daferrarifan Жыл бұрын

    Remembering how powerful the BMW engine was back in the days at Williams I'm curious as to what kinda PU they'd come up with today

  • @shapshooter7769

    @shapshooter7769

    Жыл бұрын

    1050 hp for today's turbo V6 is not bad especially for that fact they run cleaner and more reliably than the turbo beasts in the 80's.

  • @HeavyMetalGamingHD

    @HeavyMetalGamingHD

    Жыл бұрын

    @@shapshooter7769 what he means is, how good a modern turbo hybrid v6 bmw engine would be. the bmw v10 had apparently 810hp

  • @shapshooter7769

    @shapshooter7769

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HeavyMetalGamingHD Yep, and the 80's BMW V6 made 1200 bhp on race trim

  • @HeavyMetalGamingHD

    @HeavyMetalGamingHD

    Жыл бұрын

    @@shapshooter7769 (x) maximum doubt. those numbers are ridiculously inflated.

  • @matiasfpm

    @matiasfpm

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HeavyMetalGamingHD nope. Those monsters could destroy dinamos 🤣

  • @TheDuck6363
    @TheDuck6363 Жыл бұрын

    Just found your show, I found it great to watch before the race Sunday. I will keep watching,well done sir

  • @michaela8367
    @michaela8367 Жыл бұрын

    Not bad for a GP2 engine

  • @valgoyt912

    @valgoyt912

    Жыл бұрын

    😬

  • @adammcloude6642

    @adammcloude6642

    Жыл бұрын

    😂😂

  • @beanlentil

    @beanlentil

    Жыл бұрын

    actual gp2 (f2) engines today: utter shite

  • @Joselu22

    @Joselu22

    Жыл бұрын

    Only took them 7 years to be competitive, not bad.

  • @kevinilhamapriandy619

    @kevinilhamapriandy619

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Joselu22 It takes time to become the best, even ferrari has to cheat lol

  • @eoincassin4265
    @eoincassin4265 Жыл бұрын

    There is no Red Bull engine...RBR even announced that the engine plan changed and that the engines are purely Honda made and maintained this year. This is why Marko was saying that Red Bull ENGINES will be a new engine manufacturer in 2026. Honda at Sakura will be taking care of these until then.

  • @drilled4798
    @drilled4798 Жыл бұрын

    Would love to see performance comparison of the toptier cars of each era speciacally the 80s, 90s, 00s and 10s to one and another. Both stats and track times, would be prima content..! @driver61

  • @Sethm411
    @Sethm411 Жыл бұрын

    Guys, I find this video absolutely fascinating considering what we've seen in these first handful of grand prixs. also, that high resolution shot of all 10 front ends is very very cool for comparing the differences in each team, I paused the video and stared at it for probably 10 minutes. please keep up the great work, I'm a big fan of the content!

  • @maverickstclare3756

    @maverickstclare3756

    Жыл бұрын

    grands prix, not grand prixs

  • @benjieking3138
    @benjieking3138 Жыл бұрын

    Subscribed. Your videos are awesome and the man who breaks down the vehicle engine and everything about these videos explains all the reasons why I adore F1.

  • @MichaelRoma91
    @MichaelRoma91 Жыл бұрын

    To think that Honda was a meme a few years back (GP2!!) and how it is on top right now is pretty impressive

  • @arcelivez

    @arcelivez

    Жыл бұрын

    Naaah man - it's Redbull Power Trains now! They chose it themselves...

  • @nonameyet2205

    @nonameyet2205

    Жыл бұрын

    @@arcelivez Redbull powertrain is just rebranded Honda engine, you can clearly see HRC (honda racing) logo on their car 🤦

  • @onxon8611

    @onxon8611

    Жыл бұрын

    Honda bro..

  • @arcelivez

    @arcelivez

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nonameyet2205 dude... You can't see Honda's logo on their car - which is the whole point - it means Honda is not being represented - that despite the engine of course having mainly been developed by it and probably produced by them and bring good. So no dude, there isn't a Honda logo on the car anywhere - the Honda logo you're referring to is from the last years, not this years, now it's "bybit" where it was Honda... 🤦 It's also much more than just rebranding in this case or at least will be on the future, they've been working hard last year to bring the engine development from Japan into the UK (or at least for the most part)

  • @yes0011

    @yes0011

    Жыл бұрын

    @@arcelivez hrc logo on the back. and honda logo on the engine. they still using honda powerunit/engine but not with honda workmanship

  • @alecrl1
    @alecrl1 Жыл бұрын

    Great insight. I have been saying to mates that if you where in Mercs position you would save the engine for when you have a chassis to extract the performance.

  • @dy7296
    @dy7296 Жыл бұрын

    It's fascinating to know how out of 10 or more past engine suppliers out there, only 4 remained.

  • @the-real-zpero
    @the-real-zpero Жыл бұрын

    I recently started working at Caterpillar in the gas fuel engine division and the other day I actually learned about pre-chamber ignition at work. Really interesting that I'm also hearing about it in a F1 KZread channel 😁

  • @henriwolbrink
    @henriwolbrink Жыл бұрын

    As it was known that 2022 engine development would be Frozen in March. Honda made an era (2022 to 2026) deciding decision to bring 2022 engine forward to 2021 season. Sadly Max couldn't bring in the manufacturers title for Honda on his own. All respect for Checo today. But he clearly underestimated the RedBull package. When he mentioned that he would need 5 races to get on par with the RedBull car. And let us at last not forget the efforts of Mobil oil. The whole package has to work.

  • @justanotherday9904
    @justanotherday9904 Жыл бұрын

    I guess you might want to change the Ferrari one after Baku.

  • @RedDwarfNerd
    @RedDwarfNerd Жыл бұрын

    I thought the Renault had been looking a decent PU this year, great to see it laid out with data!

  • @janne-mans8295
    @janne-mans8295 Жыл бұрын

    In 2021 Merc did a trick Using early enough engines, to be replaced and then reused without penalty. It is a stochastic approach to the regulations. So they knew they could turn up the power levels, as they had precalculated all engines would be optimally used for the highest output if required. Yet with higher power level comes wear of pressure seals, causing loss of performance, earlier in the engine life cycle. Honda took a more conventional approach, preserving less wear on seals to maintain full pressure. It is a gamble, that almost paid out for Merc. All is a matter of compromises. Who overall makes the best most reliable choices, to be in play at every last 15 laps of a race, is king in almost all races, except for the odd 4 tracks maybe. Yet the 4 to 5 odd tracks do not count, as long as you secure podiums on all the other tracks. So you can have the fastests, most powerful engine, yet it may not pay off due to not being there with optimal pressure, when it counts: the 15 final laps. It is a percentage game projected over an entire season.

  • @ierbutza21
    @ierbutza21 Жыл бұрын

    Weird how some dont think the alpine (renault) engines are good,people forget renault had good PU .

  • @filipealmeida5511

    @filipealmeida5511

    Жыл бұрын

    tell that to Alonso. 3 PU in 4/5 races

  • @KillZoneHart1

    @KillZoneHart1

    Жыл бұрын

    Unreliable so far though.

  • @highthai7
    @highthai7 Жыл бұрын

    Do the Honda F1 engines have VTEC?

  • @deepalikarekar2262

    @deepalikarekar2262

    Жыл бұрын

    Ig so

  • @acuro9272

    @acuro9272

    Жыл бұрын

    No

  • @przemoa.1672

    @przemoa.1672

    Жыл бұрын

    yes there is something like that

  • @mediascapes2011
    @mediascapes2011 Жыл бұрын

    Topic request, could you give a talk about car set-up, quail, race, and race and team strategies impacting set-up. Thank you

  • @Richard-Gore
    @Richard-Gore Жыл бұрын

    I think the advantage of Honda PU, is not the power, but the size. Honda made their PU compact and lightweight, and it was originally designed for 22 car, but did well also in 21 car. Mercedes on the other hand, focus on pure power, the size of the engine may force them to compromise chassis design.

  • @abhaykiran7325

    @abhaykiran7325

    Жыл бұрын

    armchair engineer detected opinion rejected (its a yoke dont get salty)

  • @helloitsme3940
    @helloitsme3940 Жыл бұрын

    I didnt understand a lot of things in this vid but surely enjoyable!

  • @nagasako7
    @nagasako7 Жыл бұрын

    Redbull is loving HONDA down in Baku straight. Its pace pushed Ferraris to overheat and blow at halfway mark.

  • @elgorgojo6048
    @elgorgojo6048 Жыл бұрын

    red bull with honda engine : hold my 20sec gap

  • @DChrls
    @DChrls Жыл бұрын

    Honda has twice developed championship winning equipment only to sell it to a team one year before winning the championship, That's gotta hurt.

  • @devo196047
    @devo196047 Жыл бұрын

    Only 15 horsepower difference, but I'm sure 15 horsepower can really make a paint job go fast.

  • @jackwong2253
    @jackwong2253 Жыл бұрын

    After watching the race in Baku, I finally realised the reliability of an engine is the point of matter. RIP for all dead ferrari engine.

  • @ktbeatty
    @ktbeatty Жыл бұрын

    I think each have taken “a very slightly different” approach is my new favorite phrase. Very slightly different, perfect.

  • @oceanbytez847
    @oceanbytez847 Жыл бұрын

    The fact that honda was a mercedes rival speaks volumes about the brand. They hit up their with the champs!

  • @CJr_M
    @CJr_M Жыл бұрын

    I find it rather interesting that Honda would rather be affiliated with Indy Car and not Formula One.

  • @capricornus993

    @capricornus993

    Жыл бұрын

    Makes sense when you think about it- US is one of their biggest market whereas F1 is too diverse geographically

  • @peeturpain9379

    @peeturpain9379

    Жыл бұрын

    @@capricornus993 ofcourse, japan would want to be associated with mediocrity, given they are the personification of mediorcrity.

  • @robertkoeck3801

    @robertkoeck3801

    Жыл бұрын

    Huh?

  • @arandomguy3288

    @arandomguy3288

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peeturpain9379 wut?

  • @michaelwilkie35

    @michaelwilkie35

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peeturpain9379 lmao no. Japan is one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world.

  • @nathanstretch
    @nathanstretch Жыл бұрын

    Notice that the Merc engine is mostly 4th right up until Spain, when it jumps to 2nd for Barcelona and Monaco-coinciding with when Mercedes figured out their porpoising. Only two weekends, so not long enough to be sure, but seems like evidence to support the theory that they had the engine turned down to save it for once they figured out the chassis issue.

  • @pat17681
    @pat17681 Жыл бұрын

    1:06 James Alisson did say it, so yeah

  • @garantes9257
    @garantes9257 Жыл бұрын

    where do you get this kind of data?

  • @robinmaas869
    @robinmaas869 Жыл бұрын

    you don't even take Renault seriously, this year's engine is completely new compared to last year. And you can’t take this vid serious, Ferrari is using a smaller turbo so automatically are faster at acceleration and slower at topspeed, and you ignore topspeed

  • @kwl189

    @kwl189

    Жыл бұрын

    Exactly. Renault went down the split turbo route and tightened up on their packaging. Fair play to them as they have quickly got their shit together after so many poor season. Ricciardo should have stayed with the team. Him and Fernando would be possibly better than Ocon and Fernando.

  • @stevel9627
    @stevel9627 Жыл бұрын

    Not surprised by the Honda engine being the fastest despite a few guys in another vid trying to argue with me it wasn't. Seeing the Renault right up there though i think needs more praise and having all teams be so close means these next few years are going to be great for the sport provided teams can sort out the porpoising

  • @kingalfred3902

    @kingalfred3902

    7 күн бұрын

    Only a few years ago ...Honda engined cars came nowhere ......now with RB they win ...!!!!..Why is that ...??? Because the RB has the best package ..( without the engine )......and then there is ....MAX...!!!!!!.....No maths needed...!!.

  • @stevel9627

    @stevel9627

    6 күн бұрын

    @@kingalfred3902 yeah and we all saw the RB with the package when they had a Renault v6 engine. World beaters weren’t they. No maths needed indeed

  • @Snowcatsrt
    @Snowcatsrt Жыл бұрын

    Great analysis but just wondering why you guys didn't also look at the other teams using the same power units and add their data into the comparison. An average across the multiple teams as a secondary graph would be interesting. Like Red Bull and Alpha Taura averaged and the Ferrari Haas combo. Could that have been misleading or more informative about the PU Vs chassis gains?

  • @shyamarvadia2542
    @shyamarvadia2542 Жыл бұрын

    Where do you get all the data from?

  • @joanfernandez7635
    @joanfernandez7635 Жыл бұрын

    Honda power !!! ✅✅✅🔥🔥🔥

  • @philiphawkins4684
    @philiphawkins4684 Жыл бұрын

    A guy I know who have contacts within mercedes has told me that they are down on power compared to others engines.

  • @faizanchoudhury6910

    @faizanchoudhury6910

    Жыл бұрын

    cap

  • @videoforum4047

    @videoforum4047

    Жыл бұрын

    Source: trust me bro

  • @TSirsa82
    @TSirsa82 Жыл бұрын

    It's quite an interesting result when translating the average to the median. All though the order is the same, it shows clearly who has the best engine power in general, as the median doesn't take into account the possible tune-up of the engine power in isolated races. Results translated from average to the median: Ferrari 2 Honda 1 Merc 3,5 Alpine 3 Thank you for the great videos and the stories behind F1 curtains, all this is great fun and gives one more inside information about these cutting-edge machinery!

  • @MichaelRoma91
    @MichaelRoma91 Жыл бұрын

    This is the content I want. I really didn’t hear or see much about the detail of each individual differences of the different development of engines of the merc, Renault, Red Bull pt (Honda) and Ferrari. It’s been a long time since 2014 when merc was far ahead and I wanted to know how much catch up the other engine makers have done

  • @arjensmit6684

    @arjensmit6684

    Жыл бұрын

    Really? I was just looking to see if anyone in the comments was going to call out what a nonsence this video is. You can't measure engine power by the total performance of a car. There are so many more factors between engine power and the cars speed on track. If at least they would say "we made video comparing acceleration of the different cars" instead of claiming they compared horsepowers.

  • @TheHarrie93
    @TheHarrie93 Жыл бұрын

    I'm glad to see the engines in these cars being nearly equal. That means it's all up to the teams to build the best car and with the development stop, this means no excuses.

  • @iikcorleone7279
    @iikcorleone7279 Жыл бұрын

    Haha..i find it funny when someone say "Ferrari ahead of honda by 10 hp", or "honda is the most powerful engine" or "now alpine beat mercedes in raw hp" or "merc is the slowest engine now"Etc.. The fact is f1 engine performance has a lot of thing beside HP figure Like eficieny,heat management,hybrid system,combustion stability etc.. Best PU could be slightly down on power to Second best PU or worst PU could possible had a better ICE than the best one etc..but the overal performance that matter..hence why there is no clear cut to decide which of the 4 manufacture is the best

  • @souffle01

    @souffle01

    Жыл бұрын

    Efficiency, cooling, combustion etc will also translate in performance in racing. Some manufacturers could be running their engines a lot cooler and more efficient, but if it doesn't translate to higher performance on the same fuel loads, then they don't have a real advantage in competitive racing. Therefore it shouldn't be part of the equation IF you can't tell by the performance and reliability over time. It's about running in the sweet spot of those combining elements. If Honda runs their engine with a lower efficiency and higher temps than Mercedes for example, it wouldn't ultimately matter as long as they win races on higher performance without fueling or reliability issues. If anything, it would point to Honda having found the absolute sweet spot of the engine performance.

  • @TomMY-dA-K1nG
    @TomMY-dA-K1nG Жыл бұрын

    No renault on thumbnail?

  • @gringostarr69
    @gringostarr69 Жыл бұрын

    From where does Scarbs get all of his information. He is like an F1 encyclopedia!!

  • @550LMS
    @550LMS Жыл бұрын

    After all these years F1 might finally have reached the pretty good engine parity we had in the last V8 era: Ferrari seemed to have the most peak horsepower at expensive of driveability, fuel consumption Mercedes had fantastic driveability (which really showed in wet races for any team using the Merc engine) Renault had the best fuel consumption, at the expense of peak power, but led to them using less fuel over a race stint and it ran cooler as well allowing for aggressive exhaust blowing. Cost a fair bit of money to reach this point, though...

  • @brendankelly2653

    @brendankelly2653

    Жыл бұрын

    It's only $20 million 😁

  • @550LMS

    @550LMS

    Жыл бұрын

    @@brendankelly2653 Per engine...development costs start with a B. Per manufacturer. Lol.

  • @brendankelly2653

    @brendankelly2653

    Жыл бұрын

    @@550LMS my goodness, that's like buying a country 😁

  • @jamesblackwood667
    @jamesblackwood667 Жыл бұрын

    Lec would also rather have the Redbull engine...

  • @Cloxxki
    @Cloxxki Жыл бұрын

    Is anything known about the gearings the PU makers have picked? Might the Alpine have found a sweet spot, by chance, in how the revs worked out on the Miami corners you looked at? With Baku in the books now, I wonder how visible Alpine's low drag setup was. Are they really slower off turn 16 from lower downforce and thus traction?

  • @remilacroix122
    @remilacroix122 Жыл бұрын

    Could you make a part 2 to this video

  • @vitor000000
    @vitor000000 Жыл бұрын

    Surely it's not Ferrari

  • @bari2471
    @bari2471 Жыл бұрын

    at 11:32 you can see Ferrari has a different deployment of energy (more aggressive from 200 to 250kph). it is also not influenced by drag since you can see that above 250kph the Ferrari has more drag (relative drag between different cars does not change depending on speed), so it's not a very fair comparison the one you put

  • @kwl189

    @kwl189

    Жыл бұрын

    Scuderia Ferrari’s gearing and transmission is also slanted towards acceleration than sheer top speed.

  • @bari2471

    @bari2471

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kwl189 that is also true

  • @kwl189

    @kwl189

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bari2471 Think it’s safe to say we’ve debunked this video for what it is. A myth. I’d hope after all this time, the PUs have converged more or less on output. It would reflect very poorly on any team still suffering a serious deficient. Credit needs to go out to Honda after being oppressed by Mclaren.

  • @robinmaas869

    @robinmaas869

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kwl189 Ferrari is using a smaller turbo, so that’s why they are faster in accelerating

  • @hape4

    @hape4

    Жыл бұрын

    @@robinmaas869 Simply untrue, a bigger turbo normally spools up slower. However these turbos are combined with an electric motor so they don’t have a lag. Acceleration at 200 km/h is depending on torque band but more so horsepower of the PU. Grip is only at lower speeds the limiting factor. If the Ferrari is accelerating faster at 200km/h you have your answer.

  • @lborate3543
    @lborate3543 Жыл бұрын

    11:31 those have to be some of the thickest tangent lines I have ever seen lol

  • @cp4512
    @cp4512 Жыл бұрын

    With cars so close on performance, this season really is a ‘drivers’ championship for the first time in years.

  • @Nqwilliams
    @Nqwilliams Жыл бұрын

    Honda: *spends years developing one of the best engines in f1* Also Honda: *leaves*

  • @nagasako7

    @nagasako7

    Жыл бұрын

    Honda: *makes Double Diffuser concept* Honda: *leaves* Tldr Honda F1 team has always been contenders, but Honda board has been bean counters.

  • @nicoyoung259
    @nicoyoung259 Жыл бұрын

    Let's gooo alpine!! 💙💙

  • @Eeeeeeeeeeeethrdhydhuchu
    @Eeeeeeeeeeeethrdhydhuchu Жыл бұрын

    tbh i would be trying to add 3 engines combined into one and 3 mods one for dry one for medium one for a wet circuit

  • @SYGRRazza999
    @SYGRRazza999 Жыл бұрын

    What was the song at the end of the video?

  • @coffeeguy2429
    @coffeeguy2429 Жыл бұрын

    Well, Ferrari now has THE BEST one

  • @MrLeSa95

    @MrLeSa95

    Жыл бұрын

    Most explosive for sure

  • @paulneri9923

    @paulneri9923

    Жыл бұрын

    You mean the worst one (reliability concern)

  • @sam_6451
    @sam_6451 Жыл бұрын

    Say what you want about Redbull reliability But they only switched to pu2 this week While Ferrari switched to pu2 3 races ago

  • @kayak1995

    @kayak1995

    Жыл бұрын

    in monaco charles run pu1, now he's back to pu2- they cycle between engines in the pool depending on power demands of tracks, they did have to take new mgu-h as it blew up in spain

  • @hiran4935

    @hiran4935

    Жыл бұрын

    Redbull PU is reliable anyway

  • @nielsgilles4147

    @nielsgilles4147

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kayak1995 also Charles is already using his 3 turbo which they are allowed to use 3. One more and it’s an gridpenalty.

  • @Kualinar
    @Kualinar Жыл бұрын

    It's hard to compare engines. The acceleration depends on a lot of factors, like the tuning of the engine, the gear box and differential, the setting of the suspension, the weight of the car, the weight distribution, the aerodynamics, the driving style of the pilot, ...

  • @RogerMiller-td5yc
    @RogerMiller-td5yc Жыл бұрын

    Hamda went back to the cvcc engines non catalyst compliant tech. Bravo! It also served as an anti pre ignition.

  • @samsonlovesyou
    @samsonlovesyou Жыл бұрын

    When Scarbs talks, it's like I can see actual numbers and equations coming out of his mouth. 🙃 Totally lost on me.

  • @Ronny999x
    @Ronny999x Жыл бұрын

    Bernie Ecclestone said Mercedes was helped by the FIA to stop Red Bull domination. I know his reputation isn't great lately. But he claimed this years ago. Has it ever been investigated? Should Ricciardo be 2014 Champion?

  • @pat17681

    @pat17681

    Жыл бұрын

    wtf

  • @F1ll1nTh3Blanks

    @F1ll1nTh3Blanks

    Жыл бұрын

    Like you said, Ecclestone's rep isn't great, that's all that needs to be said about that.

  • @Ronny999x

    @Ronny999x

    Жыл бұрын

    @@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Yeah but back then he was F1 Boss and had a better Reputation. So it still should be investigated.

  • @Euclides287

    @Euclides287

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Ronny999x Nothing but bullshit.

  • @AZBCDEE

    @AZBCDEE

    Жыл бұрын

    You’re just a salty Dutch stop crying about something that happened 8 years ago 🤣 🤣 too funny

  • @gutloja
    @gutloja Жыл бұрын

    Do they all have the same GPS data resolution?

  • @yaseensadan3277
    @yaseensadan3277 Жыл бұрын

    1. Honda 2. Ferrari 3. Alpine 4. Merc

  • @babamukuru666
    @babamukuru666 Жыл бұрын

    One thing that's missing (at least as a mention among the problems with the accuracy) are the gear ratios used by the teams

  • @oldmossystone

    @oldmossystone

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes - was thinking exactly this. Could make a big difference to the outcome of this type of analysis

  • @rellimck
    @rellimck Жыл бұрын

    Hey, I think you should link to Jake O'Neil's brilliant video on how an F1 car works for using so much of his own 3d video in yours. I don't think you gave him enough credit.

  • @Slimmeyy

    @Slimmeyy

    Жыл бұрын

    1. You spelled his name wrong (it's in the video). 2. His name and company name are literally shown in the video. 3. Almost nobody checks the description of videos. This is evident when youtubers do put information in the description, but many people still ask for said information in the comments.

  • @rellimck

    @rellimck

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Slimmeyy He goes by Jake in his video but I did misspell his last name. Look, I don't agree with you and this is my suggestion for this video. Thanks for your rebuttal but I think it takes five seconds of typing, and if a video has derivative elements, a portion of the description should be treated like a bibliography on a paper.

  • @Steinstra-vj7wl
    @Steinstra-vj7wl Жыл бұрын

    Red Bull Honda !

  • @valtarg1299
    @valtarg1299 Жыл бұрын

    Ferrari engine's is taking some hit the weekend

  • @bazza2974
    @bazza2974 Жыл бұрын

    Go to 2:32 to skip the in-video ad

  • @Gavinlambert_s
    @Gavinlambert_s Жыл бұрын

    Now alonso is on P2 for Canadian Grand Prix

  • @anjo2
    @anjo2 Жыл бұрын

    I wonder if they would make rotary engines better than the current V6 if they were able to use them. The research of the rotary engines went down after being banned from the 24h of Le mans, but the potential is there.

  • @erasmus_locke
    @erasmus_locke Жыл бұрын

    I can't wait for F1 to switch to fully renewable fuels. Once they are carbon neutral there is no reason to switch to full electric and we get to keep our glorious screaming V6 turbos

  • @sreeter01

    @sreeter01

    Жыл бұрын

    Glorious and screaming v6???

  • @totalmadnesman

    @totalmadnesman

    Жыл бұрын

    Well about that. Now that Europe is going to kill ICE by 2035, expect Porsche and other manufacturers to shut down their programs as well.

  • @KenaiTobin

    @KenaiTobin

    Жыл бұрын

    @@sreeter01 he is probably a new fan to f1 and doesn't know the history about the screaming v12s , v10s and v8s

  • @ondracienciala7209

    @ondracienciala7209

    Жыл бұрын

    @@KenaiTobin What are you on about, that redbull has beautiful sound, especially the burble when off the throtle

  • @justsomemustachewithoutaguy-

    @justsomemustachewithoutaguy-

    Жыл бұрын

    @@sreeter01 its not thatvthe current engines sound bad, they sound wonderfull. But Its just that the sound of the old v12's, v10's and v8's sounded like the voice of god telling the people the secret to a happy life

  • @MrZillaman73
    @MrZillaman73 Жыл бұрын

    Merc had 1yr head start on hybrid era hence their dominance.

  • @Slimmeyy

    @Slimmeyy

    Жыл бұрын

    @footballcoreano Why would they only show 70%? They're not winning races...

  • @bravin_w

    @bravin_w

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Slimmeyy 8 constructors championship wins and 7wdcs and of course poaching of engineering

  • @simonleblanc4711
    @simonleblanc4711 Жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure why at @8:00 they show corona spark discharge when discussing the advanced ignition techniques used.

  • @irdixstrife
    @irdixstrife Жыл бұрын

    Baku is the real test for PU, change my mind.

  • @nazo294
    @nazo294 Жыл бұрын

    i feel like ferrari can pull off being the fastest engine provider

  • @team_hunter3328

    @team_hunter3328

    Жыл бұрын

    They still have an engine upgrade laying down at maranello for silverstone

  • @g-rafcreations6605

    @g-rafcreations6605

    Жыл бұрын

    @@team_hunter3328 so do Honda. Major ers upgrades for pu3

  • @EntropicExergy

    @EntropicExergy

    Жыл бұрын

    Not with that unreliability of theirs. At Spain they pushed it a tad bit more on Charles' car and we all know how that ended. The rebadged Honda from RB will stay the fastest PU on the grid.

  • @arthurmorgan9108

    @arthurmorgan9108

    Жыл бұрын

    @@EntropicExergy Japanese junk

  • @EntropicExergy

    @EntropicExergy

    Жыл бұрын

    @@arthurmorgan9108 If it was junk it wouldn't be soundly beating both merc and ferrari. If anything german and italian junk is more fitting here.

  • @Divebomb18
    @Divebomb18 Жыл бұрын

    It was told that Alpine turned down their engine in the beginning of the season due to relatability concerns. I guess they might start to show their actual pace.

  • @migelprager1097

    @migelprager1097

    Жыл бұрын

    "relatability concerns" ... wth is this mate ?!?

  • @beanlentil

    @beanlentil

    Жыл бұрын

    @@migelprager1097 probably meant the concerns during pre-season testing

  • @videoforum4047

    @videoforum4047

    Жыл бұрын

    Ferrari did the same, they've been consistently upping the power and now its starting to fail on them

  • @gordonwallin2368
    @gordonwallin2368 Жыл бұрын

    Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

  • @nanakiemi
    @nanakiemi Жыл бұрын

    I don't like the idea of any rule changes mid season. Those never sit well with me. Something needs sorted for next season though such as a minimum ride height you can't go below or additional testing allowance over the winter to allow it to be tuned out better.

  • @official_.d3
    @official_.d3 Жыл бұрын

    We all can agree 2017 Honda engine was peek of performance

  • @mr.jaco6526

    @mr.jaco6526

    Жыл бұрын

    Definitely

  • @itawolf2494

    @itawolf2494

    Жыл бұрын

    No Ferrari Spa/Monza 2019 was peek.

  • @grosano95

    @grosano95

    Жыл бұрын

    @@itawolf2494 r/whooosh

  • @lucas_evans2207
    @lucas_evans2207 Жыл бұрын

    In short it’s not a fair question as all engines are made for different purposes, even f1 engines

  • @lukebennett.

    @lukebennett.

    Жыл бұрын

    Ah yes alpine make it for back of the pack and Ferrari make it for a kitchen 💀

  • @tahamian4822

    @tahamian4822

    Жыл бұрын

    what a dumb thing to say

  • @pabloquijadasalazar7507
    @pabloquijadasalazar7507 Жыл бұрын

    0:32 Wish that line was a more prominent color

  • @ronnie3196
    @ronnie3196 Жыл бұрын

    Here after watching the baku race. Ferrari went dnf beacuse of engine problems back to back in two races. And just a soft reminder, people were laughing on redbull engine reliability issues at the beginning of the season.

  • @Ihelpanytime
    @Ihelpanytime Жыл бұрын

    I don't understand why F1 teams wouldn't show us the results of a dino test to see power and torque (and their RPM range)

  • @jedijackattack3594

    @jedijackattack3594

    Жыл бұрын

    Because it also tells every other time that data. Which could let them work out some of there tricks and give there opponents more data on them to work into stratergy and setup.

  • @asmith78100

    @asmith78100

    Жыл бұрын

    That's litteraly telling everyone there secret recipe. It happened in the turbo hybrid era where renault announced there engine had over 1000 hp an other teams tried to make some late tweak. Announcing your data is one of the most foolish moves of all time.

  • @danielmax3327
    @danielmax3327 Жыл бұрын

    The best are the V8, V10 and V12

  • @peeturpain9379

    @peeturpain9379

    Жыл бұрын

    ew, no

  • @paulhope3401

    @paulhope3401

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, most spectacular sounding for sure... x10.

  • @moneymonkeyman8280

    @moneymonkeyman8280

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peeturpain9379 its fans like you that are ruining the sport

  • @maseywat

    @maseywat

    Жыл бұрын

    Na hand grenades from the 80's

  • @thespeakersreview99
    @thespeakersreview99 Жыл бұрын

    Honda💯💯💯

  • @andyharman3022
    @andyharman3022 Жыл бұрын

    Scarbs makes a good point about the Mercedes engine. I'm sure they haven't forgotten how to make power in this formula. Maybe they're saving the power for when they get the chassis figured out, then will turn up the wick late in the year. This allows points gathering due to reliability and no grid penalties. Ferrari is already in trouble, and the season isn't half over. The hybrid power units are so complex, having the IC engine, TERS, and KERS, I doubt that their knowledgeable engineers would be able to give you a straight answer. What mode are you asking me about? What tune for a specific track? What if we are harvesting energy on one lap to deploy on the next lap? Or maybe we saved fuel throughout the race and will use it to overdrive the turbogenerator by injecting on the exhaust stroke. They have a lot of ways to make power.

  • @SleepySriracha
    @SleepySriracha Жыл бұрын

    Honda: Long Pace throughout the GP Ferrari: Raw Pace Mercedes:Reliability out of the 3.

  • @yannickvaz694

    @yannickvaz694

    Жыл бұрын

    Alpine: Exists.

  • @Xanxii

    @Xanxii

    Жыл бұрын

    @@yannickvaz694 renault*

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