actually I always felt something was off about just learning what solvers do and mimicking it, I think deep down I was worried that learning solver lines would somehow detract from my own logic and intuition, so I didn't bother to do it. but this video was really awesome because what you're saying makes perfect sense and showcases how situational logic and creativity can beat humans using solver lines. And it also makes me feel like maybe I should study solvers as part of my poker strategy arsenal, but that i can bridge the gap between that and conventional play, getting the best of both worlds

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Yes, it's always good to know what others are learning and understand the baseline correct play and adjust from there. Those solvers can bet super small on flop because they will defend turn and river perfectly. Many spots where it is +EV for a solver to call, but -EV for any human.

@Fatality101

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@@dnegspoker makes a lot of sense I Def feel inspired to learn now. What did you find to be the easiest and best method to learn about solvers for yourself?

@SENSUI347

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That was actually one of the most edifying poker hand analysis videos I've ever seen. Thank you D'Negs.

@sambeckett6391

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He is always on the money.

@dnegspoker

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Glad you enjoyed it!

@RonnieStevens420

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You did good job dan ..

@bobdole7292

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Does anyone know what Daniel means when he says solvers can make those small bets because they will play the turn and river perfectly ? What does perfectly mean in that context?

@joshuainwood9832

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It means the solver will know exactly what bet size to do on the turn and river depending what cards come, a human won't be able to make those correct bets, calls, raises or folds so it turns a marginally plus ev spot into a big negative ev spot

i love how cohesive all of Daniels videos are, same theme through every video. The fundamentals of sizing and not blowing pots up and thinking ahead... good shit as always dnegs. thank you

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I love how most poker players put educational content behind a huge pay wall. Then expect their fans to pay to hear their wisdom. Then there's D Negs! Who like a true stud, spills the beans for the love of the game!! Keep up the dope content dude!!!

It’s truly been a pleasure watching this series, playing so far above the rim with a clear mind. Cheers and shout out to the boys at Datpoker podcast 🍻

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I’ve watched Daniel play for 20 or so years. Love how he adapts his game with the times, while always sticking with his original tenet of small ball and seeing flops. Dude is a baller and the GOAT, son!

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You‘re great… your explanations are so useful for everyone who is trying to get better in Poker, thank you for sharing all this for free! It really shows that you are a good person, who wants to develop the game. You actually are the most iconic player in the history of poker for sure!!! thank you Daniel

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Thanks Phillipp!

So much value in these videos. And more important, value for the everyday player. I can take this line and apply it against my mates when we play for $20 on Saturday nights. @Daniel, your videos should be watched by every player wanting to improve his game. Thank you for sharing such valuable content with us (even though your wife is not happy with you 🙄). From a Frenchman living in Oz

This was very helpful and eye opening / thought provoking. Thank you Daniel.

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The look on Bonomo’s face when you say limpin’ is pimpin’ while raking in the pot.. You can tell he hates it so much. Lol. Good I say, that guy is insufferable. Great video Daniel. Huge fan here and thanks for the insight into your strategy.

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Incredible educational value. Thank you Dnegs

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i think it’s also important to note that the reason solvers do what they do is because they are trying to maximize chips against another unexploitable opponent. your opponents (especially at lower stakes) do not have GTO preflop or post flop ranges, and are more than likely not playing these ranges with GTO principles in mind. this is why i feel like it’s so important to understand not exactly WHAT the solver is doing in specific spots, but WHY. it’s like dnegs said, if you just mimic the silver with no plan other than that, you will be completely lost on later streets when you inevitably get called down by some rec who could have any two cards in the deck

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Unless you have specific info on the player/s, it doesn't matter. GTO will still crush small stakes. Even if in a spot someone decides to call you down with ATC, while you lose in that specific spot, you win much, much more the other hands where their ATC either have to fold, or are dominated. Obviously, if you think someone is never folding, then you shouldn't bluff. But without specific information on a player or the pool specifically, you'll level yourself much more thinking you shouldn't play a solid theory based game at low stakes just because that person isn't playing a theory based game. Every time they deviate, they lose money. So you are already inherently exploiting them. Don't further exploit via deviating until you have an actual reason more than low stakes to do it.

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​@Feniks Technologies well that's making a read on the player. You feel if he's strong or weak, don't have to really know the player that well.

Literally today was training on Hybrid and was screaming at the computer "why should I bet that? Why is that the play?" Haha. Maybe there could be a tab within that app that could explain the logic behind those decisions. Thank you for all the knowledge you drop. As a intermediate player looking to up their game to the next level I can't tell you how much it means. Hope you don't get in to much trouble with the wife. Let her know that we (the poker community) owe her big time. 🙌🙏

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I've heard you talk about how the solvers say to bet very small on monotone flops in the past, but your analysis about the specifics of the possibilities was very insightful.

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Every time I hear Daniel talking about poker, I fall in love even more with this game. Thanks Daniel! You're the best!

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very , very interesting...thanks! This also illustrates how valuable it is to know your opponent and how it changes your strategy.

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I agree with chat. The best explanation ever about an important mistake people do by mimicking solvers.

@avakrug4349

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I would love to sit back and have a beer with daniel!

Between you and the late and great man of faith, Sir Doyle Brunson, I'll continue to get better by the hand. Thank you, Mr. Dan. This war vet is grateful.

I really enjoy hearing someone of your caliber analyze hands. Thanks again for the super interesting video!😁

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This is great. Fantastic series. Thanks for sharing, Daniel!

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I've felt that I'm getting bluffed too much lately vs my small sizings. This is just the video I needed. Very insightful Dnegs tyvm!

I like your thought process, Daniel. Thanks for sharing. 🤜🤛

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Best analysis, thanks. Good show.

Very instructive!

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Fantastic analysis and advice. Thanks a lot, Daniel!

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really instructive thanks Dnegs

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Thx sir for the free lesson

13:07 “You’re not a solver, you never will be” But Daniel my kindergarten teacher said I can be anything I want 😢

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Great stuff!!

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Great video Daniel... Started Poker a month ago and I love your vids

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This video series is really interesting! I also like the occasional shoutouts to Landon Tice. 😂🤣

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Thank you! I’ve also noticed that Im winning more often if I bet little harder on some spots instead of just calling/limping

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Absolutely brilliant

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wow thank you Daniel

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This is fantastic analysis and advice. You are not a solver, bro!

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Really cool analysis! This reminds me a lot of players who blindly trust engine recommendations for their tournament chess games. Just because the computer thinks it's good doesn't mean you can handle the complications.

@stijnderksen1837

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Exactly. The engine will tell you to play a sicilian but your 1000 elo ass better stay away from that

@owenkelliher4927

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@@stijnderksen1837 Yeah usually its really aggressive moves that are technically correct but you need to like walk a tightrope in order to not be losing.

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I've really enjoyed watching this series. I've noticed since you started limping strategy in places I play more people are limping. I said something about and other players said Daniel does it so it's ok. Also on line I've noticed it. Amazing influence on the game you have

@dnegspoker

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Ha! Limping is Pimping!

GTO in live games can keep you from one age old poker strategy. Play your opponents tendencies. You can play Game Theory optimally for every hbd but in reality it should be a combination of GTO and opponent info.

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Always been a fan, especially during black Friday, you called Ferguson, Lederer, respected that.

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1k views in 10 minutes, i love it. 😂 love these videos.

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I don't play high enough stakes to apply strategy this advanced (apart from the ignore the solver part). Other players need to be good for this to work. Very interesting though.

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but you shouldn't not do something like calling here because you aren't playing perfectly turn and river. the comparison to make is how you are playing turn and river relative to the opponent, not relative to GTO. you aren't playing like a solver but your opponent isn't either

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Legendary

I think this was the best explanation you've ever given, and I wish you luck with your wife after this!!!

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"Limp'in is Pimp'in" Hey Danial, that should be an option in Solvers. 🤣 Love the content as always. Cheers from Cincinnati.

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Daniels genius is really on display here

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I wonder how much EV you're giving up by being as profound as you have been throughout this video series... Truly shows your love for the game. We appreciate you!

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This was the most informative video I’ve watched in min. Well fucking done

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Solvers are fine to follow to the T if you are a robot. I prefer to use it as a reference instead to think over what to do and what others will do.

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I'm not necessarily the biggest Negreanu fan, but this was really interesting. Some great ideas.

Do you have videos on position and what / how to play from that position ?

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Hey Daniel I have been vegetarian most my life and love poker too! Omaha hi lo especially

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Waiting on Landon's response to this, especially the CatJAM 🐈😹

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My 'solver' experience is with chess solvers (chess engines like Stockfish). The difference between the abilities of humans to play 'like' a solver in chess and poker, as illustrated in this video, is interesting. Dneg: a poker solver will play perfect flop, river, turn- no human will. Yet in chess, where top players study in tandem with chess solver (which plays perfect early/mid/late game), there are multiple instances where humans play a 95%+ accuracy game (and not just rote-memorizing 60 engine moves (admittedly 10+ early moves of opening theory); also assuming the human doesn't cheat).

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That's another thing about solvers. Sometimes people only look 1 level deep. They say "well why do I bet this and not this?" and then say "because look at their defending range" but then don't ask "why is that their defending range?". The programs do millions of iterations to determine this, at best humans can do 1 and *maybe* 2 iterations of this process.

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Another place where chess and poker converge. There are a lot of solver recommended moves that put you in really bad positions if you don't play perfectly from that point forward. Impossible for any human to defend, but Stockfish gets an extra 0.1% of EV, so that's the recommendation.

I would have done the same because if bonomo hit that flop he's checking or putting in like 25 percent of his stack but the small 50k bet tells me if I put in 200 or 250 there's only 2 things he's doing there it is jamming or folding that's it ..spot on playing Daniel son...

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this is a great example of mixing your game...

When are we getting the Daniel Landon heads up match???

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what Daniel said i somewhat knew with less than 100 hours of poker played(online)

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Daniel what if ur opponent has a draw or hits a flush and goes for a solver post-flop *dinky* bet? That becomes a deadly exploitative well disguised position against u. Thx for the great content.

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my take on that would be put pressure on the small stack,being in position,and when you see such a potential flop,put him under pressure

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Highly Enjoy these! I also (for my meagre Poker Brain) enjoy the corollary between your "contrarian" plays vs. GTO/Solver and what I'd call "Classic Big Stack" Tournament moves. Limp, into call a raise from a small stack, into check-raising a flop that missed a huge majority of small stack raise hands... Seems very aligned with somewhat traditional Big Stack Bully ideas, doesn't it, Daniel? Picking spots to manoeuver into some hands with a small stack, look for flops that miss the small stack, and take them away with some size bets?

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Just from hearing people talk about it and knowing nothing else it is obvious "the solver" does not take into account important contextual variables. It must average them out in effect. This makes the EV less than it suggests in certain situations

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The solver goes out the door when there's a loose maniac! 😅

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Limpin is pimpin when timed correctly, it's a good way to get your rockets or Kings cracked by all sorts of garbage though.

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bit like in chess.. there are some lines the computer takes, ... which would be just crazy for humans. Computers can defend extremely well, and play exactly the right moves, but a line which requires 20 only moves, is going to be way harder for you to play than for your opponent, even if 'on paper' (according to the computer) .. it's 'better'.

@SamAshworth91

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That was the analogy that came to mind for me as well. You often hear chess players talk about how practical a position or move is, and how even if it isn't the outright strongest move, it is far easier to actually play and convert for a human.

@dnegspoker

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Absolutely. Great analogy for sure!

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I'm no pro, but I think poker is far too variable to accurately predict what to do with a solver. You never know what the next card will be, or what your opponent will do. If they're feeling lucky they'll call your massive pre flop bet with 7 2, beating your pocket As w trip 2s. You have to use intuition, and play the people as much as you play the cards. If you're at a table long enough and have demonstrated you're a good player with tight range, you can almost bluff with anything if you play it right.

Daniel, how much did you gain from poker by just being lucky? Is it an important part of your earnings? Just curious, really!

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What if they had 2 spades. I always feel scared when all cards of the same suit open. I feel that the opposite player might have a flush. What is they just call and show a flush

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That's an old school Doyle play. Pg 442-443. "Stealing pots"

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Take what you learn with a grain of soltver.

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If Bonomo had flatted preflop and checked to you on flop he would have had the chips to make that raise you were talking about.

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“Shout out the hockey chat”

Oh No you don't play with a GTO YOU drive a GTO!

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Solvers don' t consider bubble which has a huge impact to how the hand must be played

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How would it look like if the solver player „perfectly“ on turn and river?

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@@Richard-sc7yq he answered atleast

So your thoughts on solvers directly mirror the conversations that I've had with my chess coach about chess computers. Yeah, the chess computer is correct because they've brute forced every single possibility thirty moves deep...but if you don't understand the purpose of the line and how to navigate it, you're just playing random moves and aren't actually learning anything!

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Why would you re raise if you had tha flush =Bluff

The relationship between solver and player is like the relationship between a chess computer and a human being. Even if a position is +0.5 or even +1. if you don’t feel comfortable in the situation, don’t play it

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If he calls, what do you do on the turn?

@CanariasCanariass

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I think it's time to give up at this point, if he calls he is willing to put the rest of his chips in and is committed.

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Brilliant how you played that hand! I use the small sizes on monotone boards as learned on your channel but now I see where it doesn't make sense in certain spots...thanks. I don't use solvers but do they factor in stack sizes and ICM? Probably a stupid question.... Limping is pimping ;)

@dnegspoker

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There are solvers that do factor in ICM yes

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@@dnegspoker WOW! That is incredible! I look forward to your next video. I'm learning a ton. Thanks Daniel your the best! GL 2023. I can't wait for the WSOP uploads ✨

Amazing brain you have 🧠gg

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Daniel. Relatively new to this “Solver” you speak of. Is it a poker playing computer program similar to Deep Blue for Chess? If so, would you or any other professional poker player do a heads up matchup against it like Kasparov vs. Deep Blue?

@CanariasCanariass

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Unlike chess poker is a game of incomplete information and solvers can only simulate a small piece of the game tree so it's not exactly the same as let's say stockfish in chess. I would say chess engines are way more powerful than Poker solvers at this point.

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Why does the time keep getting pushed back bruh

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Lets be real Daniel, it was also Bonomo 😉

I had best run in tournaments when I was using "horrible" sizings and didn't care what people thought. Just im cbetting 2/3 here bcs it has to work 40% of the time and no way this guy is defending 60% vs this size. Now knowing "proper" sizings, I feel bad about playing the way I wanna

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Are there solvers that will incorporate a player's personality and playing style? For example, the solver could prompt you for a description of the opponent (LAG, TAG, how much they hate Daniel, etc). Or are the solvers strictly based on the cards probabilities?

@mrhumble2937

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Doesn't matter it's math.

@Richard-sc7yq

Жыл бұрын

Don't fall for the WhatApp scam--this is a criminal impersonating the owner of this KZread channel!

@dansam42

Жыл бұрын

@@Richard-sc7yq Thanks! For a moment I was flattered to think that Daniel would be reaching out to me but reality hit me a second later.

context matters

He was afrade of a flush I think.

@Richard-sc7yq

Жыл бұрын

Don't fall for the WhatApp scam--they are 'phishing' and trying to steal your money. Don't give them any of your personal info!

With all these video's, i'm gonna need some tips on when yo actually use a solver lol. You make them seem useless

@Richard-sc7yq

Жыл бұрын

Don't fall for the WhatApp scam--they are 'phishing' and trying to steal your money. Don't give them any of your personal info!

Daniel just hating on GTO in every video haha

@CanariasCanariass

Жыл бұрын

GTO overrated imo

Limpin' is Pimpin' feels like mega brain small ball with added smoke and mirrors.

@Richard-sc7yq

Жыл бұрын

Don't fall for the WhatApp scam--this is a criminal impersonating the owner of this KZread channel!

Win a torny and make a 15 part series

@Richard-sc7yq

Жыл бұрын

Don't fall for the WhatApp scam--this is a criminal impersonating the owner of this KZread channel!

Great videos. Terrible music at the end. My best advice is to cut the outros.

@Richard-sc7yq

Жыл бұрын

Don't fall for the WhatApp scam--they are 'phishing' and trying to steal your money. Don't give them any of your personal info!