When does the B58 need an upgraded charge pipe?
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In this video, we discuss the improvements made on the B58 that prevents charge pipe failures similar to what people experienced on the N54 and N55 engine, as well as the circumstances where upgrading the pipe could be beneficial.
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One of the few people that understands engineering before recommending changing parts. Kudos.
You seriously are a huge help in our community. I ordered the same turbo kit but with the bigger turbo and I just ordered port injection. It said I needed a different charge pipe and I was looking for one like crazy but then realized this kit already comes with one thank you so much for your videos you’re amazing again
Happy I can send people this link instead of having to explain it over and over agin, thank you sir.
I don't even own a BMW but I honestly enjoy your videos, learning something about the B58! Keep it up man
@kern417
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the support
Subbed! Great Videos on the B58! Please keep em coming! Owning a 2019 440i GC and can't wait for the warranty to run out to finally give it a proper Stage 2
Perfect, very well explained. I love your way making sometimeds complicated circumstances easy to understand
Solid advisement. Totally makes sense. Don’t go spending money after mods that’s aren’t needed. Dude is definitely an engineer when not moonlighting on BMWs.
Great info, thanks for posting 👍
Very smart, thanks for the explanation.
Great video, thanks for the information
Thanks for the info.
Dude. Super informative and helpful. Thank you!
Thanks for making these videos
Great explanation. !
This channel is a gift of god.
Thank you.
Great vid ,,, makes perfect sense 👌
bro you know exactly what you are talking about and get straight to the point lfg!!
@kern417
Жыл бұрын
🙏🏾
Thanks
I like how you just got to the point 😂
bro your videos are so fucking good I cannot have a better guide to building my xdrive 340i
Hey man, love your B58 content, very knowledgable and straight to the point. Just wondering with your doc race kit, is there any downsides to having your intake pod filter exposed like that in the engine bay? Since it may be susceptible to sucking in hot air created from the engine in a confined space.
@kern417
3 жыл бұрын
I'll be posting more data once it's dialed it but so far I'm not having and IAT issues
i have a 2022 x3m40i stage 2 and when i put in the high flow cat and flashed to stage 2 i noticed a very loud noise coming from the engine bay that i didnt notice with stage 1 and stock and the floor boards were vibrating like crazy and i had vibration at the pedals which were a concern to me. I went and put a chargepipe in from cts and all of the vibrations and majority of the sound from the engine went away.
Love the videos man you really are the best channel for b58 engines!! I ordered a dorch stage 1 for my gen 1 b58 and I’m about to order a wmi kit. I was wondering what you recommend for the meth tank size. I’m worried 1 gallon might not be enough. Thanks!
@kern417
3 жыл бұрын
If you have an f3x then the bms stealth tank is the best option
@iKrakenOfficial
3 жыл бұрын
@@kern417 will do, i was hesitent at first because I’m not sure how much it uses if i just use it for cooling
@kern417
3 жыл бұрын
To me the larger it is the better. Even if it's not spraying much you don't want to worry about it running out. I know a few people with the smaller tanks that have to replace it weekly but it depends on your driving habits.
I love your videos so much! They are so informative. I just installed my TU pump today following your recent video - it was super helpful! After watching the video, it seems like I won't need to upgrade my charge pipe for BM3 stage 2+ OTS map, right?
@kern417
11 ай бұрын
Right
@yuncheng8742
11 ай бұрын
@@kern417 Thank you! I appreciate you replying to my comments!
Yo keep dropping the great knowledge watched all the videos, about do some serious upgrades to my 2019 440i F36 the only thing I'm missing is more information on exhaust upgrades cause for price point and vavle control systems and also is stock enough just upgrade mid pipes to be cheaper or is it a must upgrade free flow for vargas GC+
@kern417
3 жыл бұрын
All you really need is a downpipe to make good power. The stock exhaust is not very restrictive
@omarvalles341
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Holmes for replying, I really appreciate your help gonna do catless downpipe, dinan intake, CFS heat exchanger with MHD OTS start off then vargas GC+ and Dorch stage 2 with 93 until I can upgrade internals before I do E blends all I want 550- 600whp
@kern417
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds good you'll enjoy it
@kern417, thanks for the video, i have been googling and coudlnt find a half decent answer. however i got a follow up quesiton. so i have aB48 engine and i live in canada where weather also plays a factor to the fact that its half year really cold and half the time relatively hot. does the weathering plays a factor to this at all?
@kern417
2 жыл бұрын
Nope it shouldn't matter
Hey Kern, is there a way to get that plastic piece off the charge pipe where it covers the c clamp near turbo? I have to remove my stock charge pipe and reinstall it and want to retain the plastic clamp unless it's not needed. Thanks.
@kern417
Жыл бұрын
It's there so the clip doesn't go flying when it's removed
Is it necessary to replace the plastic clip on the stock charge pipe on the turbo side? If so is there a part# to that clip?
@kern417
Жыл бұрын
No
How much it cost to put a turbo setup like that? Complete with tune
what about upgrading the intake manifold...does that provide power gain?
@kern417
Жыл бұрын
Not much. But it helps provide more consistent power in hotter temperatures.
Now another reason to upgrade charge pipe would be to get a BOV version if you plan to go EWG with how Vargas is making Factory controlled EWG turbo kits.
Mines kicked the bucket a month in after stage 2🥺
charge pipe goes directly from turbo to throttle body, no intercooler?
@kern417
Ай бұрын
the intercooler is in the intake manifold
Why does the b58 not have a BOV? Can I add one? I like the ricer sounds!
@kern417
3 жыл бұрын
There is one aftermarket one made by Bigboost. The b58 doesn't have one because excess air is recirculated through the cylinder head via DME Tuning
@badass1g
3 жыл бұрын
@@kern417 awesome thanks fir the reply. One more question. I just picked up my 440i and it has catless VSRF dp. I hate the fuel smells when I am at a street light with the windows down. I’m curious if I get the catted vsrf dp with 200 cel cat, will that mainly fully resolve the fuel smells? Or will I still get some fuel smells with the race cat setup? I might just have to lose the hp and go back to stock cat :-/ I can’t stand the fuel smells!
@kern417
3 жыл бұрын
Yep a cat will get rid of the smell
Hey kern, I have a question. In the case where you have to go 40-50% throttle and bring up the engine to ~4-4.5k with the oil temp only around 150 degrees (read through torque app), could that do any harm? I got into a situation where I had to do so, but only once. I use special tec 5w-30 which has higher levels of zddp btw. I might be over worrying.
@kern417
3 жыл бұрын
It's not ideal but it's not the end of the world. I try to keep rpms below 3k until temps are over 200
@universalg_
3 жыл бұрын
@@kern417 is the coolant temperature in line with the oil temperatures?
@kern417
3 жыл бұрын
@@universalg_ It will be somewhat similar, but coolant temps are lower than oil temps and oil typically takes longer to heat up
@universalg_
3 жыл бұрын
@@kern417 ok for sure. I usually let my vehicle warm up for 5-6 minutes then drive. Usually by the time I get to a stop light or two it’s already beyond 160 Fahrenheit
@harbl2479
3 жыл бұрын
@@kern417 b58 oil and coolant temps are pretty much exactly the same and warm up at the same rate since the coolant flow is electronically controlled. I monitor both of them with my p3 gauge.
Does that apply to the S58?
@kern417
2 жыл бұрын
Should be similar in principle since it goes directly from turbo(s) to intake manifold but idk of there could potentially be other weak points
Is there a rubber seal/ oring at the bottom of the charge pipe that needs to be replaced? I see one on the diagram but its unclear if it needs to be replaced or could cause leaks
@kern417
5 ай бұрын
It doesn't typically need to be replaced unless it's damaged
@pissywilly
5 ай бұрын
@kern417 I swapped out both charge pipe gaskets today. Shoup has never had to put this much fuel mass into a tune. I must have an air leak somewhere but low pressure smoke tests revealed nothing. I'm going to rig something to 10psi and see. Has to be an issue somewhere but so far I have no clue. Tune cannot get going while this issue persists
@kern417
5 ай бұрын
@@pissywilly if you've swapped turbos then also check your exhaust gaskets
@pissywilly
5 ай бұрын
@kern417 I replaced the dp wire gasket and obviously the manifold gasket and torqued in sequence to spec. I'm super confident the manifold is set. The dp to cat back is a slip fit. Do you think leaks down steam from the dp would be an issue?
@pissywilly
5 ай бұрын
I'll check the vband again. That would bake a lot of sense but I feel confident that was over the 2 flanges nice and square.
I'll just keep mine stock. Fast enough for me.
So my G01 doesn’t need an upgrade 😊
Is B48 have similar system with B58? And also not actually need upgrade?
@kern417
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@danto.dwinanto
Жыл бұрын
@@kern417 thanks for the reply
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Yea no it needs to be replaced plus it looks good.
@kern417
7 ай бұрын
Yea no you just didn't watch the video and/or don't understand what you're looking at.
@PK_M340i_Fire
7 ай бұрын
@@kern417 i was one of those dudes who had the N55 and had it blow up. I get you think you know everything but I don't trust plastic when forcing the car to work harder, Just play it safe for $250 and it looks nice.
@kern417
7 ай бұрын
this is not an n55. there are people pushing 600+hp through the stock charge pipe. you don't understand why the n55 pipe failed if you think the b58 is the same.
@PK_M340i_Fire
7 ай бұрын
i was using the n55 as a reference. Its PLASTIC! do you have data on years and years of extended tuned use? You are basically the equivalent of Bro science for cars. Alum is always going to be a better option than plastic.@@kern417
@kern417
7 ай бұрын
yes, i have had my car for over 6 years and over 600hp for 3 years. no one is breaking charge pipes for the reasons mentioned in the video. it works very well. steel is stronger than aluminum, so why don't you get something stronger? because it's not needed, weighs more, costs more to make, along with all the other other negatives. but feel free to keep making uneducated decisions about your build.
I stopped watching at exactly 20 seconds in. Hope I didn’t miss anything good.
Would you say inlet pipe first before charge pipe.
@kern417
6 ай бұрын
neither really makes a difference