Disclaimer: There is a difference between the Rus and modern day Russians. I just didn't want to keep repeating Eastern Slavs for the entire video.

@WamBurger

Жыл бұрын

I was about to comment something, but glad you clarified. I imagined you knew, and this decision makes sense

@EpicGamerWinXD69

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah definitely, though while this is probably a stupid question, why is it that you aren’t referring to the “Rus” as the “Kievan Rus”?

@carpathianwolf3523

Жыл бұрын

The kievan Rus is basically the eastern slavic equivalent of the western roman empire to Spain, Portugal, Italy and France. All east slavs trace their heritage there, but it doesn't belong to any of them specifically.

@zhonghuaxiansheng

Жыл бұрын

i reload youtube and am blessed with being able to be the obnoxious fourth reply who doesn’t say anything related to the previous comment

@EpicGamerWinXD69

Жыл бұрын

@@carpathianwolf3523 thank you for the clarification.

Vlad vibe checking the worlds religions is my headcanon now

@LavaCreeperPeople

Жыл бұрын

Islam is bad cope

@leppardman4779

Жыл бұрын

"Hinduism? *Reads all* This sounds... Gay"

@LavaCreeperPeople

Жыл бұрын

@im sacred that video changed my life

@TheCatVtuber

Жыл бұрын

@@imsacredtotell go away, bots

@writershard5065

Жыл бұрын

Also in other news... if Russia became Muslim, then the Cold War would've become a religious war @.@ (Though the question remains whether or not there would've even been a cold war. Would communism even be incentivized to form in this new russia?)

Lets be honest Cody. This scenario is just impossible because the Rus would never give up on the idea of drinking alcohol for the sake of religion.

@mr.fishmanman

Жыл бұрын

God Drinks Vodka Boyar REMEMBER THAT

@RogerDuckman

Жыл бұрын

I unironically would see the Russian states of the time adopting an pff shoot of islam that allows drinking.

@LavaCreeperPeople

Жыл бұрын

Islam is bad

@manofwar2354

Жыл бұрын

Not really arabs were more heavy drinkers than other nations before islam Infact arab created alcohol 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@LiIGremlin

Жыл бұрын

even the bears perfer orthodox

I'm Muslim, and one of my religious teachers at school told me that Russia "almost" became Islamic. I always thought there was something suspect abt that statement, this video explains why.

@anonymousbloke1

Жыл бұрын

Russia already is quite muslim. Like 10-15% of the population there is. There are probably more 'devout' muslims there than devout orthodox christians

@karantikoo9302

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousbloke1 not true, not really devout. You can visit the current muslim ex soviet states, people drink vodka infront of mosques

@arolemaprarath6615

Жыл бұрын

@Жидальберт Мойшевич caucasus region is mostly religious Muslims but tartar Muslims are either non religious or liberals

@arolemaprarath6615

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad Russia didn't

@anonymousbloke1

Жыл бұрын

@@karantikoo9302 Chechnya, Tatarstan and the like are pretty devout. I wasn't talking about other "states", if you didn't mean oblasts of Russia, I don't know how devout people in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and the like are, I was only speaking for Russia. Russia is a pretty damn muslim country. And if we were to judge how muslim countries are by how much people there drink, there probably wouldn't be any muslim countries whatsoever..

The idea of a commercially focused Catholic Novgorod is super interesting, especially considering in the OTL they had a sort of council-based government. Would love to see a video about a Venice of the north. Also I wonder how this would effect the Swedish empirr

@Eugensson

9 ай бұрын

Well Novgorod did have a Hanseatic League embassy, so the trade was there.

@PyromaN93

6 ай бұрын

​@@EugenssonNovgorod didn't just have embassy, it was at certain time a member of Hansa

@Eugensson

6 ай бұрын

@@PyromaN93 it was never a full member of Hansa. However it had strong commercial ties with it.

@PyromaN93

6 ай бұрын

@@Eugensson oh,my bad, checked it. Most hillarious thing - Novgorod was the last Viking state. Novgorod pirates raided other principalities, and even mongols and Sweden

As a Slav (Ukrainian but still) Vlad choosing Christianity over Islam because it let us keep drinking is the single most Slavic thing I’ve ever heard. There legit might be no deeper meaning to it, we love our vodka that much

@S_murray

Жыл бұрын

Also his Grandmother. (Oleg, regent to Svilatoslav. The "give me a bird from each of your houses," then ties cinders to them to burn the city down. " and "turn a bathhouse into a pyre for a opposion army during peace negotions" women. ) Was a devout Orthodox. "If its good enough for her. Its good enough for me"

@Natpad_027

Жыл бұрын

To be fair this story is probably not so true.

@francesconesi7666

Жыл бұрын

Vodka didn't exist back then

@xxvxxv5588

Жыл бұрын

Most likely, this is a myth from pop culture. In the Medieval Rus with the capital in Kyiv, Christianity had deeper roots, taking into account the cultural ties with the Eastern Roman Empire and Bulgaria.

@user-op8fg3ny3j

Жыл бұрын

I mean, the balkans were able to do it?

Gotta love the deep dives into alternative stuff. Very fascinating conversation while also every now and then picking up more knowledge on history that I missed on

that Christian Novgorod, Islamic Kyiv scenario sounds REALLY interesting! I would love a follow up!

Funnily enough even without being Muslim some Russian tsars used to call themselves sultans when addressing Muslim monarchs and/or nations. They also called themselves padishahs and hakans. There are 2 tughras(calligraphic autograph sort of) of Peter the Great for example. In one he is called "Peter son of Aleksej Sultan of two norths and hakan of two seas" and in another, he is called "Peter the First son of Aleksej, Padishah of Rus".

@user-cg2tw8pw7j

Жыл бұрын

Alice Caesar is a Roman name

@cuidadocomomatheus

Жыл бұрын

​Pedro José is a Portuguese name

@vuvuvu6291

Жыл бұрын

What is a Hakans?

@Tavromachos

Жыл бұрын

@@vuvuvu6291 Hakan is a different spelling of Khan that was used mostly by turkic states.

@mimorisenpai8540

Жыл бұрын

Padishah is persian title and hakan is turkic Russian rulers doing this to with western neighbors address themselves with common western title

Hard to imagine Moscow without St. Bails cathedral

@user-op8fg3ny3j

Жыл бұрын

* Sheikh Bails Masjid

@donpollo3154

Жыл бұрын

Ngl I thought it said St. Balls cathedral at first

@LavaCreeperPeople

Жыл бұрын

Islam is bad

@prendendo1769

Жыл бұрын

Hard to imagine Russia without vodka

@mal_3157

Жыл бұрын

Instead it’d be a massive mosque

you mentioned offhand that maybe Russia would develop it's script from Persian, so my friend and i arranged an abjad system for writing Russian and i cobbled together a windows keyboard layout for it. it's really cool to use, and we just realized that the word for "toilet" is written the same way as it is in Farsi, so we must have done something right :p

@sashko4099

Жыл бұрын

Look up this thing lol. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arebica

@Jerald_Fitzjerald

Жыл бұрын

@@sashko4099 Apparently there's a system for writing Belarusian in the Arabic script, that's what we primarily used as a source

@sashko4099

Жыл бұрын

@@Jerald_Fitzjerald Yeah, I was just pointing out, that a similar system was developed between the 15th and the 19th centuries to transliterate the Serbo-Croatian language, another Slavic language into an Arabic-derived script. The Wikipedia link gives more info

@Jerald_Fitzjerald

Жыл бұрын

@@3.kademetekme407 Much like any western European language uses the Latin script and has their own alphabet, Persians use the Arabic script and have their own version of it. Pretty obvious what was meant.

@Jerald_Fitzjerald

Жыл бұрын

@@3.kademetekme407 If you have a complaint take it up with the video. Clearly you didn't finish watching it because I was just quoting him. I'm not going to argue with you about something that is factual.

This is one of the few channels that actually makes watching the sponsored bit entertaining. I wish others did that, might actually make me more apt to buy something.

To quote an Egyptian Army Captain I met while in the Navy years ago. He poured himself a giant solo cup of wine while we Americans were staring. He looked at us and said,"What? Islam is my religion, not my diet." Then he chugged the whole thing refilled it and kept going. And he wasn't the only who did it either. Only one of their cadre didn't drink and he didn't seem to care that his compatriots did.

@rezajafari6395

Жыл бұрын

As they say in Bosnia, "the Quran prohibits drinking wine, but it says nothing about rakija"

@33up24

Жыл бұрын

Much like the bibles forbids a bunch of stuff and christians still do it, same happens within Islam (although maybe not as common due to the own nature of the religion). Everyone has a different interpretation of the religion, fitting it to their core beliefs, so it wouldn't be THAT crazy to think of a vodka drinking sultanate.

@itsalright1523

Жыл бұрын

@@rezajafari6395 islam forbids any thing that’s harmful for you. And alcohol and what comes form it intoxication are both forbidden. So any thing that intoxicates you is forbidden in islam. Search about it to make sure.

@mustfaaboassd

Жыл бұрын

@@rezajafari6395 Egyptian army is very non religious because you will be imprisoned if you showed signs of religiousness A lieutenant in the Egyptian army was imprisoned because he memorized the Quran and when he get out of jail he went sprinting into isis hands

@danielbaran4724

Жыл бұрын

@@mustfaaboassd I had to do a double take when you said Isis because I thought you were talking about the Egyptian god Isis. Then I realized you were talking about the terrorist group.

I want to explore the Christian Novgorod divide scenario more. It seems most likely to me that when the Golden hoard was thrown off, it left many areas of Petty Kings, Warlords, and the like. Having a Moscow-like under the banner of Islam start gobbling them up while Novgorod to the north does the same feels like a hell of a game night, at least!

@keithharper32

Жыл бұрын

I have my own Alternate History scenarios, and Novogorod surviving as an independant state is already one I've been considering (though still christian russians). Would love to hear someone wo does this more than me consider it.

@goksir5845

Жыл бұрын

It honestly seems pretty likely too, given the circumstances. The people of Novgorod aren't just going to stop trading west, so it would kind of be shooting themselves in the foot to distantly tie themselves to the muslim community of moscow, central asia and the middle east rather than just huddling up with more of their immediate neighbours.

@tankofreality4550

Жыл бұрын

I think it would be more interesting to see Novgorod take a fusion of christianity and morph into its Pagan values like what Orthodoxy kinda did off Christians and local beliefs.

@OttoVonSchnitzelbritches

Жыл бұрын

It would be interesting if an independent and mighty Novgorod adopted a brand of Christianity totally different, like say beleived and militarily defended the teachings of Martin Luther during the Reformation... like a lot. Could you imagine a Lutheran H.R.E.? After-posting thought: In this scenario, that doesn't seem all that unlikely, given the "game night" scenario in another reply here*, and the fact that Lutherans and Orthodoxy almost got along at first, and this scenario entirely changes who is in charge of the Orthodox faith at the time. *proposed by "Tank of Reality"

@pablomagno4679

Жыл бұрын

EU4 save exports from CKII be like:

I appreciate the video, would be a really cool scenario.

Great video! Keep up the good work.

Geography is the final arbiter of history. You realizing this and mentioning it in every video sets you apart. Well done.

I think we would see a Kievan Russ collapse, and divided among different princes, some staying Pagan, some turning Catholic, others Orthodox, and others Islamic in order to either gain foreign support, allies, and trade partners or some stubbornly sticking to their Pagan traditions. In the long term I believe this would consolidate Russia into 2 to 4 nations, with the most likely to stick around in my opinion being Islamic Russia, and Catholic Russia with Orthodox Russian Princes being conquered due to the collapse of Eastern Rome. And the Pagans being pushed out due to the lack of religiously motivated allys smoothing relations. While nations were more then willing to work with other faiths, it made things a lot easier and would have a major impact in my opinion. The interesting thing here is, the Pagan Russians instead of being wiped out, might be forced to migrate east, into Siberia to escape persecutions and become a centerpoint of a Siberian pagan nation or series of nations with the Christian and Islamic Russians focusing on the richer lands west of the Urals and on conquering lands from each other.

@Yuhyuhmuhmuh

Жыл бұрын

Interesting, so how do the mongols factor in? Like Cody said they're coming werther or not Vladimir the Great chooses any religion. Which it's important to say that the conquest east was seen as defensive, "the Tatars can't invade us if we occupy their land"

@hakced

Жыл бұрын

Rodnoverie Siberia. Have not heared words more based in a long time.

@seamusfinnegan1164

Жыл бұрын

@@Yuhyuhmuhmuh Id imagine something similar of the occupy them first variety, however the warfare would likely be alot more brutal and a far more gradual march/conquest eastwards in my opinion. Though there is always the possibility that these Pagan Russians get conquered by the mongols/tatars but I dont believe that would last long term due to the collapseing Mongolian empire/s

@seamusfinnegan1164

Жыл бұрын

@@hakced No way to truly predict how well it would go though, but no matter what it would make for some interesting wars fighting the mongols and other groups to carve out a new nation.

@xxdesertstorm

Жыл бұрын

Russian would look like nowadays middle east always at war with each other as they are muslim and islam the 2 worst allah trash cultures who won't see a win in the next war and will be a central target to be wiped out as they have been the cause of everyone's problems and the west is waking up to that and are starting to no want them Canada being one of thos as they pushed terrorist views for the 5 years and its coming to bit terrorist like muslims and islam

Right as I’m deciding what CK3 achievement to go for next, this video pops up. Vladimir’s Second Choice it is. Thanks for the sign, Cody 😂

When you got to the ad I was about to skip and leave, and then I was like “no wait, I want to see what happens to Jimmy in this one.” I was not disappointed. These companies should pay you like 10x the usual rate, you’re the only KZreadr who’s ad read I actually sit through.

Still can't believe this dude's grandmother was St. Olga, one the most hardcore lady saints. Like... she's literally the Patron Saint of Vengeance. I remember reading about how she created a trench to burry a bunch of soldiers from a nation that killed her husband and then burned the leaders to death by locking them in her castle. I honestly think those "vibes" partly came from there. He might've done some research on her.

@JDDC-tq7qm

9 ай бұрын

She was born Russia even Russian women are warriors 🇷🇺

@Eugensson

9 ай бұрын

Well, she was Viking/Varangian, of course she was brutal.

@muhammadirshadali9487

7 ай бұрын

Just because of drink please don't give up Islam only true religion In sha Allah in paradise Jannat we will drink more greater better drink forever We don't know when we will die accept Islam and become muslim May Allah give you hidayat - Aameen

This is one of your most interesting scenarios. My knowledge of eastern European history is limited, so I don't know if I can provide much insight or new ideas, but I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video.

@kekzealot3568

Жыл бұрын

You could've just left a like instead of writing all this

@Christopher_TG

Жыл бұрын

@@kekzealot3568 they don't say "like, comment, OR subscribe." They say "like, comment, AND subscribe." In all seriousness, the KZread algorithm uses engagement statistics, including likes and comments, to decide what videos to recommend on your feed. If you want to help your favorite creators, both liking and commenting on their videos really helps.

@kekzealot3568

Жыл бұрын

@@Christopher_TG but your comment literally said nothing besides that you liked it

@zamalamahama4894

Жыл бұрын

@@kekzealot3568 shut up nerd

@TheKingOfNachosTM

Жыл бұрын

@@kekzealot3568 your comment adds nothing but making you seem like a dick

A Russia with no vodka would be no Russia

These videos just get better and better

If Russia picked Islam, CSGO would have a totally different vibe. Funny how you didn't mention that Cody Hmmmmm?

@LavaCreeperPeople

Жыл бұрын

Islam is bad

@misterrandom9591

Жыл бұрын

Aye Stoneworks

@fives5555arc

10 ай бұрын

Hey man

@BenjaminKirbyBenTennyson

6 ай бұрын

Ok

This video came out so quick. I remember voting in a poll like yesterday.

i love your chanel so much🐐🐐

Wow, gratz on trending!

One large error I noticed in your video is the lack of Lithuania completely in this scenario, given they had major influence over trade in Eastern Europe and conquered a large portion of Eastern Europe from the Golden horde. Also, the Northern crusades would have massively changed with an Islamic Russia. You mention Poland a lot, yet they didn't have much of a presence in the area. Lithuanian leaders like Algirdas were the ones to conquer major cities like Kyiv before the union Ironically enough, an Islamic Russia may have resulted in an Islamic Lithuania as Lithuania would continue to expand and integrate with Islamic culture in this situation

@AmirSatt

Жыл бұрын

I still dont get how did you defeated mongols and the rus princes while being so small

@compatriot852

Жыл бұрын

@Базированный Демократ Lithuanians and other Baltic peoples used to inhabit a much larger area, and were far more battle hardened/militarized due to centuries of fighting and finally unifying Lithuania rapidly expanded as well, thanks to the Grand Dukes of the Gediminds dynasty, who were able to expand rapidly with the help of diplomacy (marriages, integration, supporting rebels, etc) and the usage of light cavalry

@angusyang5917

Жыл бұрын

Lithuania was one of the last remaining pagan nations at the time, but they held onto their paganism strongly, so much so that rulers like Gediminas and Algirdas remained pagan, even as they ruled over increasing numbers of Christians, so they had to balance pleasing the pope, their Orthodox subjects, and their pagan supporters. In fact, if Lithuania did convert to Islam, there would be no Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, because as part of a deal to marry Jadwiga, the queen of Poland, the grand duke of Lithuania Jogaila (aka Wladyslaw II Jagiello), converted himself and his people to Christianity.

@khapankov

Жыл бұрын

@@compatriot852 no mention of slavic majority of GDL who populated the ranks of army. Sole baltic noblemen on their horses conquering and controlling vast territories from sea to sea.

@luslussia1017

Жыл бұрын

you was Russian that time till the Swedes seized these territories.. and all your ancient documents where on Russian

Something to keep in mind with Vladimir choosing Orthodoxy is that he was raised primarily by his grandmother, Olga (either a Bulgarian princess or a Viking of Pskov, depending on who you ask), who was a devout Orthodox Christian and even lead a delegation to Constantinople to meet the Emperor. So, Vladimir was likely already Orthodox privately before he enforced Christianity on Kievan Rus. P.S., the Cyrillic alphabet is a Bulgarian-Slavic alphabet, established by Cyril's pupils during the First Bulgarian Golden Age. It's based on the Glagolic alphabet, which IS a Greek-created alphabet, created by Cyril and Methodius to serve as a alphabet for the slavic peoples the Byzantine alphabet was trying to convert to Orthodox in Christianity power politics.

@HeywoodJablome-pv7ge

11 ай бұрын

​@@SophiaEca And Vladmir's reign was from 980 till 1015, r u trolling?

@scorpio9143

11 ай бұрын

​@@SophiaEca 🤨

@iaroslavagapov2671

10 ай бұрын

He wasn't orthodox, because before adopting christianity he tried to reform slavic paganism, but failed, because different tribes tended to worship different gods

@muhammadirshadali9487

7 ай бұрын

Just because of drink please don't give up Islam only true religion In sha Allah in paradise Jannat we will drink more greater better drink forever We don't know when we will die accept Islam and become muslim May Allah give you hidayat - Aameen

@rarescevei8268

6 ай бұрын

​@@muhammadirshadali9487Vodka tho

First good premise you’ve had in a while. Good shit. Glad to see you still got some juice.

Definitely enjoying these wacky alternate histories

I like this change of pace with more unrealistic scenarios. I like the more grounded ones of course, but this brings back some essence of what alternate history felt like when I first discovered it.

I have you one better, Cody: What if Japan converted to Muslim in 1906? "In 1906, widespread campaigns were aimed at Muslim nations with journals reporting that a Congress of religions was to be held in Japan where the Japanese would seriously consider adopting Islam as the national religion and that the Emperor was at the point of becoming a Muslim"

@onetruesavior69

Жыл бұрын

Japanese mythology would be changed, Muhammad would be connected to Jimmu, and they will make their mythology a mixture of Monotheism like how Africans kept Orulun as creator God as Muslims and Christians.

@mr.fishmanman

Жыл бұрын

Is This For Real Or Its Just a Joke?

@user-op8fg3ny3j

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.fishmanman nah, it's true. Just like that time England also considered converting to Islam

@theunbeatable6598

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.fishmanman Forreal

@leppardman4779

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.fishmanman Israel

For an alternate take on the title conundrum: a Muslim Rus that overthrew the Golden Horde and conquered/unified its fractured successor states might see itself as the rightful continuation of the Golden Horde and the legacy of Genghis Khan (which serves as a handy justification for Eastward expansion) and such the Emperors of Russia might take the title Kagan and as a result the Cossacks would be less like autonomous subject and more like a subclass of the Boyars with the same marriage ties that our Russia has with the Byzantines being formed with the surviving Ghenghisids/Borjigins, strengthening the Russian claim as ruler of the steppes.

@user-dr7ru8pm3d

Жыл бұрын

The golden hord convertd to islam too .....

@rachard

Жыл бұрын

BASED could be even more if the rus actually adopted the Caliphal succession system... RUSSO - TATAR - CALIPHATE - COSMOS - UNION

Feeding the algorithm. Very interesting topic.

What if the Novgorod Republic was able to avoid being annexed into Russia?

@calebr7199

Жыл бұрын

what if colonial novgorod without forming russia?

@poganka45

Жыл бұрын

@im sacred no, thats a clip of makign a pizza ...

@Ocelot835

Жыл бұрын

@@calebr7199 With Danish controlling exit from Baltic sea, expansionist Sweden on the west, frozen waters on the north, uninhabitable lands for large settlements on the east and no way to the south? How it can become "colonial"?

@sergodobro2569

Жыл бұрын

It would be annexed)

@architdas7298

Жыл бұрын

@@Ocelot835 it was a joke referring to a bunch of fans of an eu4 youtuber asking him to play colonial novgorod

I would imagine that the direction to expande for this new Islamic Russia would be more focused, maybe, on becoming a hegemon in Central Asia and Iran/northern India instead of Siberia, since they could use religious ties to exploit the politics of these far richer regions (at least compared to Siberia). I would also imagine this scenario really affects the Victorian culture, in seeing a white yet islamic power rivalling at times with the europeans. On a side note, I'm so glad you went for this scenario and not the done to death Romanov one :3

@shzarmai

Жыл бұрын

hmmm perhaps a Muslim Russia would follow a slavicized form of Shia Islam ☪️ just perhaps 🤔

@simoneidson21

Жыл бұрын

I mean Slavs weren’t really considered white until the 1900s

@sbevexlr848

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean Romanov scenario??

@redbear1839

Жыл бұрын

@Mohamed Ahmed the problem with the Russian Sufism idea is, although i agree with you that it probably would be a alcohol-allowing sect, i don't thing it can stay esoteric very long. Esotericism in a religion inherently require a great degree of dedication both spititually and phisically. I think it would more likely istituzionalize into something akin to sunni and shia islam, becoming a third branch. Then again, religion is not the only factor into play when considering expansion or aggressiveness. Russia is a nation bound to be expansionist since the moment it unites, since the lack of natural borders would always be a factor that would push for a "defensive imperialism" (i would argue the same can be said for nations like Germany)

@DIEGhostfish

Жыл бұрын

@@redbear1839 Ehhh I find the defensive imperialism theory (At least the modern one that *insists* Russia in general and Putin in particular want the Carpathians) to be a bit exaggerated.

Are we not going to talk about the smooth jazz playing throughout this video.

I think the most interesting part of this scenario would be Russia's modern relationship with Afganistan, Chechnia, and Syria, it could even lead to America never declaring the "war on terrorism", beacause they would risk bothering Russia too much

@Eugensson

9 ай бұрын

Well, in that perspective Russia would have never allied with Serbia, that alone would already had a great effect on the landscape of the Balkan Wars and relationship with the US.

@omsofi1111

5 ай бұрын

Bro russian are friends with syria to keep the country dictator i mean president

@pakilla4578

5 ай бұрын

Islam+Russia=US has left the chat

@eliasziad7864

4 ай бұрын

@@Eugensson Or maybe Serbia would convert to Islam.

@eliasziad7864

4 ай бұрын

BTW, was there any way the US could have become a Muslim-majority country? Such as the founding fathers accepting Islam and convincing people to follow them as to separate themselves from Britain?

I don't usually enjoy in-video commercials, but Jimmy having a full-on existential crisis over the third dimension was hilarious. 😂

The idea of an independent Christian Novgorod makes the most sense to me, so whilst Russia does unite "mostly" it's split between these two states and thus the rift between Europe and what we think of as Russia is even more vast, with only Novgorod being able to slightly fill that hole.

@ZiCUnlivedbirch

Жыл бұрын

I mean, Novgorod was beaten and annaxed by Moscovy in our timeline, I don really see how this would change.

@fillosof66689

Жыл бұрын

​@@ZiCUnlivedbirchif they were to become a bulwark of faith, they could have tried to spin this in combination with their economical and political ties to baltic states in order to get help from Western European countries on the Baltic Sea and from Roman Catholic Church.

@angusyang5917

Жыл бұрын

@@fillosof66689 Novgorod was also a member of the Hanseatic League, and I'd imagine that if anything threatened Novgorod severely, like religion, the Hanseatic states could enticed to muster their forces to defend Novgorod.

@MrPolandball

Жыл бұрын

@@ZiCUnlivedbirch BS right here the entire Russian history is full of fabricated lies made up by the Germanic Romanovs. All these states that exist in modern day Russia was part of a great forgotten empire called Tartaria.

I remember, in high school, finding a book of alt history stories, and one of them was this exact premise.

Love your vids i hope you make great content like this in future if your struggling to think of an idea for a vid here’s one I guess “what if Mexico joined the central powers in WW1 and what happened in the future like up to WW2” I would be very interested in this alternative history 😊

You can hear how painful this scenario is in his voice. But I do find it as an interesting scenario, perhaps if the Rus go south of the caucases, maybe a military alliance with Persia could stop the Ottamans from gaining a lot of power

@nenenindonu

Жыл бұрын

The Rus' and Ottomans don't overlap periodically and "Persia" didn't even exist it was dominated by Ilkhanid Mongols, Timurids, and White Sheep Turcomans

@thereareantsbehindyoureyes7529

Жыл бұрын

@@jzjxgxjxshxjx545how did you fail a bot ratio

@itsblitz4437

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget Yugoslavia and one part of Bosnia would be Islamic.

@fraticelli4838

Жыл бұрын

@@nenenindonu it was controlled mostly by the buyids at the time, who were persian. Then later a part of the turkish seljuk empire, who became pretty quickly persianized. The Ilkhanate came pretty later down the line.

@mint8648

Жыл бұрын

@@nenenindonuThe official name of the Ilkhanate and Aq Qoyunlu was Iran or Persia

I really like this long style videos :), continue doing it

i like the recurrent emphasis on ahistoricality. it's an incredibly important thing to acknowledge. good job

Great video!

For a part two, I think it'd be important to mention the fact that if the Rus were more interested in the Volga river trade that would've accelerated their conquest/colonization of Central Asia, which only took place in the 19th century in our timeline. I don't doubt the fact that Russia probably would've also been feuding with the Delhi/Mughals and the Ming/Qing

@maciejbala477

Жыл бұрын

that's possible, if they adopted the same kind of politics as they did in real life, which is to focus on land expansion. They could also just not be very interested in going East now, maybe because Central Asia is already Muslim and does not need to be converted. it's just speculation though, could very well see them doing what you said

@ShehuStebe

Жыл бұрын

@@maciejbala477 excellent point Maciej, and yes you are right it does depend on their policies. Whether they were Sunni/Shia, have Tamerlane-like ambitions, or just wanted to control the Silk road all would affect the decision.

@raymonddefoix6017

Жыл бұрын

I am a Russian with a Central Asian-Muslim origin, preparing to become a graduate of the Institute of History this year, so I will try to supplement the comment above. If Kievan Rus had adopted Islam, it would have significantly affected its history in the Mongol era. If in reality the confrontation between Russians and Mongols was fueled by differences in faith, then in an alternative scenario their relations could become much closer due to their common faith. Perhaps there would have been a cultural symbiosis between Muslim Slavs and Tatars and this would have led to a less noticeable fall of the Mongol yoke. Not as a result of a major battle like Kulikovo Field, but as a result of an internal coup or the collapse of the state, just as it happened with the Ilkhanate. In addition, if Russia became Muslim, it would lead the eastern border of Europe along the borders of Poland and the Baltic States. Eastern Europe would become a frontier between Christian and Islamic civilization, just like Spain in the era of the Reconquista. Perhaps this would breathe new life into the Teutonic Order, since after the victory over the Baltic pagans, it could switch to the fight against Islamic Russia and receive support from Poland and the Holy Roman Empire. Against this background, Russia and the Ottoman Empire could become not enemies, but allies against a common enemy. It is unlikely that the coexistence of these two huge empires would have been completely without conflicts, but Russia clearly would not have been obsessed with the ideology of the liberation of the Balkan Slavs and Constantinople. If Russia had helped the Ottomans capture Vienna, it would have made the struggle very difficult for Christians. But I think in the long term, the technological and economic advantage of the Western world would lead to partial isolation and conservation of Russia. Perhaps major reforms aimed at Westernizing the country would also have taken place, but rather at the same time when they actually took place in Turkey (the era of the Tanzimat). Finally, the clash of interests of Russia and England would have occurred much earlier. The first attempts to penetrate into Transcaucasia in reality were made by Russians already at the end of the XVI century, and under Peter I they undertook campaigns in Persia and Turkestan. Unity of faith could make the rulers of Afghanistan and Persia allies of the Russians, but would lead to enmity with the Qin Empire for the liberation of the Uighurs. The vector of Russia's territorial expansion in this world would be much more diverted from the more technologically and economically advanced countries of Europe towards Central Asia. P.S. Instead of the Romanovs, the descendants of the Mongol-Tatar conquerors could be at the head of Russia. Many noble families in Russia in reality (such as the Yusupovs, Godunovs, Golitsyns) were descended from Tatars. In this world, they would not only dominate the Russian political arena, but would also be supplemented by dynasties of Central Asian origin. In reality, the Russian tsars willingly accepted Baltic Germans, Swedes, Poles, Romanian Phanariots, Orthodox Georgians into their service. In this timeline, they could be Central Asian Genghisids, Iranian Kyzylbashi, Afghan Pashtuns and Baluchis.

@greyralph1637

Жыл бұрын

@@raymonddefoix6017 great scenario there,love the speculation. One thing also that Russian culture would be heavily Turkified,more compared to present. And Caucasus and Persia would be the point of conflict between them and Ottomans.

@baburkhanmansurkhanov266

Жыл бұрын

@@raymonddefoix6017 Fun fact: Central Asian khanates began to perceive Russia as a serious power only by the end of the 17th century. Let me touch on one historical fact: in 1605, Khan of Bukhara, Baqi Muhammad. Preparing to march to Russia with a large army, his main goal was to return the throne of Astrakhan, which he considered his legitimate inheritance. But by chance this young Khan dies

Fun fact, a small principality of Kievan Rus named Tmutarakan near the Crimean Peninsula was partly Islamized via Seljuk influence

Jimmy's existential crisis and threatening to shave the cat! GENIUS!

So, I started thinking a bit about how people could see Brittain from the French coast, what if you did a video on a scenario where Brittain was actually just further enough away that the white cliffs of dover were not visible? Like it could be a non-romanized isle, Brittany could have been more Pagan than Catholic. It is just an interesting thought experiment tbh

Very interesting topic - can't wait for part two to come out.

Have you consider the possibility of a Islamic Russia taking the mantle of the Gold Horde directly and declare itself to be both a Tsardom and Khanate? I actually did this cursed Russian Mongol Empire thing in a EU4 playthrough 😂...

@MrPolandball

Жыл бұрын

Well that actually did happen in real. That place was called Tartaria.

@sircatangry5864

Жыл бұрын

Funny bcs Russia have more claims on golden horde then Rus

@DIEGhostfish

Жыл бұрын

@@sircatangry5864 Ehhh. That's an increasingly common kneejerk given the current war, but it's still more "elder abuse" than it is some asiatic invasion,

@joujou264

Жыл бұрын

@@sircatangry5864 What, because you took the Golden Horde's land? I guess Nazi Germany also has legitimate claims to that land considering they reached Stalingrad?

@zebimicio5204

Жыл бұрын

@@joujou264 Nope, its because the rus states were under mongol souzerainity . And the way they spread eastwords and how rough their socieiteis are mirrored that of the mongols instead of the byzantines. The only connection russia has with eastern rome was them sharing the same christian sects. Other than that? Hardly any similarities.

That jazz track is beautiful

Could you examine an alternate 1066 where Harald Hardrada wins the English crown and his descendants hold onto it? So much of medieval and modern English culture is based out of the Norman/French customs that William and his heirs brought to English society. Things like personal names, architecture, language, and more have very obvious French/Norman roots (think about why there are more Englishmen nowadays named Richard instead of Æthelræd). One of the famous rivalries in history, the one between France and England, was born largely out of the dynastic disputes that followed after a Norman Duke, who owed loyalty to the French King, became King of England. Now, what if Norwegian culture was like that instead? The English language already has a few words borrowed from Old Norse from Viking invasions, but what if that was taken further, making English more closely resemble modern Norwegian? Would English wars not be fought across the English Channel, but instead across the North Sea? Instead of English kings claiming the throne of France, they might instead claim the throne of Norway? Or perhaps Denmark or Sweden? What relations might a Norse aristocracy in England have with the Kings of Scotland and the Irish? What about the British Empire? What would it would like and how might it operate, if it even existed at all?

Great video! I can't wait for a potential part 2. I remember hearing the Vlad Vodka story and imagining a scenario like this. The absence of a Russo-Turkish Great Game would be interesting, and there'd be little reason for the Ottomans to enter WW1.

Very interesting video, excellent work as usual Cody!

i come from a majority muslim slavic country (bosnia) and for centuries even though we claim to be muslim, a lot of my fellow compatriots have drank alcohol, so a muslim slavic country which likes alcohol isnt strange at all

As funny as that apocryphal quote about Vladimir choosing the Abrahamic religion that would allow him to drink is, alcohol was and is still drunk in the Muslim world. There are records all over of rulers drinking wine; there were even whole ceremonies and genres of poetry dedicated to wine in central Asia and the Middle East. Just because it's forbidden or at least frowned upon doesn't mean it was always applied. "Thou shalt not kill" wasn't exactly on the mind of a lot of Christian kings after all.

best part of the video is when Cody just goes “who fucking knows” after talking about Novgorod

@TheRezro

Жыл бұрын

Honestly it is a wild card? Also for reminder country what killed Teutonic knights was Poland. So they would most likely try size Novgorod instead instead dealing with Russia.

@finalMadfox

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRezro Novogrod had Nevsky tho

Hi, I'm from Russia, I'm pleasantly surprised that you touched on this topic, which I myself once thought about.

@kekzealot3568

Жыл бұрын

Same

@Oleksandr.Derkach

Жыл бұрын

Москаль, вийшов нахуй

@danylopritaliuk8085

Жыл бұрын

I kinda disagree a lot with Cody since in my opinion Novogorod rebelling is unrealistic as hell if it rebels it would be war for title of Grand Prince of Kyiv, as OTL Jaroslav The Wise was given that land to administer, he would revolt against his father which I dont see happening as Rurikids loved to use that to chip away future lands for themselves when their brothers lost.

@Yuhyuhmuhmuh

Жыл бұрын

What do you think about the cultural differences between the 1500s northern Russians(Novgorod or something similar) and southern Russians (Moscow and crew). It would be important to figuring out if this hypothetical state would even exist

@AntonPavlovich2000

Жыл бұрын

@@Yuhyuhmuhmuh I'm also Russian and think that Novgorod unfortunately couldn't save itself in any way. Western Europe had its institutions since Roman times and was just remembering them, while slavs never had any. Novgorod's democracy was more chaotic and unstable, so in 1500s it just became an oligarchy where the richest decide. It resembles of what would later happen with Poland. During that time, absolutism was more effective in these lands, so 'veche' institution kinda naturally died (there were veches in many places, Novgorod just had a stronger one).

It would be nice to explore how this may have affected Sweden as well since it was the Great Northern War that ended the Swedish Empire and turned Russia into a major European player, but that war happened in the first place because Peter The Great wanted to be a part of the West, so Russia being Islamic might have changed those ambitions completely (not counting the aspect that Peter wouldn't have ruled in the first place)

Cool vid, great channel, could be cool to see one about ‘what if the Wright brothers never left Ohio’

Actually I think the Russians allying with the Ottomans would make for a interesting part 2. If the Ottomans have a sizable ally in Europe to help them, just imagine how much further their conquests would get them. You could potentially have most of Eastern Europe living under an Islamic government, which would potentially cause Catholic Europe to explode. In fact, if that were to happen I could see most of Europe coming together to help stop the assault, as if it were a 2nd invasion by the Mongols that everyone feared.

@johnwbh

Жыл бұрын

Or you end up with Protestant Europe leaving them to their fate, and you get Islam and Protestantism as the main religions of Europe with Catholicism relegated to a few small holdouts. (Maybe Italy)

@WayOutGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@johnwbh I could actually see the Protestant Reformation being put off longer due to the increased presence of Islam. I mean even if the Spanish complete the Reconquesta that still leaves a sizable Islamic presence in Europe which I think would increase the idea of unity among the Catholic Church. In fact I could see the Crusades not happening or happening less because of an Islamic Russian presence

@user-dr7ru8pm3d

Жыл бұрын

The Ottomans already ruled eastern and central Europe and the Mediterranean countries even western Europe, such as France, and they paid a lot of tribute to the Ottomans to be lenient with them and win them as allies in the 16 c ,,, Imagine, with the help of Russia, they would rule all of Europe, and there would be no room for colonization trips to take place in the New World ,,,,,

@sd-wc9ep

Жыл бұрын

Oh Shit thankfully that didn't happen...

@johncarver767

Жыл бұрын

Without colonialism this world wouldn't be what it is today

A whole scenario about if Kievan Rus and Novgorod never united would be interesting.

@finalMadfox

Жыл бұрын

Novogrod was in the Kievan Rus but it had high autonomy, it was after the Mongols invaded that Novogrod became an almost independent country, and I say almost because the Mongols forced the local Duke to pay tribute to them

@idkwelp1082

Жыл бұрын

Novgorod was the one that made kiev into rus

@idkwelp1082

Жыл бұрын

But yeah if they didn’t unite I would think there would be less ethnicity wars in the future because right now many Ukrainians think that Russians are just mongols that took over kievan rus

@panzerkiller13

Жыл бұрын

@@idkwelp1082 I mean... the last year has shown them to live up to that monicker lol

@dobry_chelovek157

11 ай бұрын

What union? Novgorod Rus created Kievan Rus

Thanks for using Tsar Dušan of Serbia as photos. Greetings from Serbia ❤️

Im glad im not the only one with audio problems on my vids

Cody Central Asia had plenty of great cities Also the title Tsar exist in Persian (khosro) or they could use the word shah Could be adopted by Russians in case of Persian influence See Persian Central Asia Edit: alcohol is pretty important in sufism (basically mystical islam) so that could be interesting

@mint8648

Жыл бұрын

Yes Bukhara, Samarkand, Nishapur, Merv, were all great cities with hundreds of thousands of people before the mongol invasion

@boygenius538_8

Жыл бұрын

Alcohol is forbidden, any "sufis" who drink are extreme outliers.

@bocchithean-cap3404

Жыл бұрын

@@boygenius538_8 I live in Iran so I've seen plenty who do drink (we drink more than Russians do) The sufi literature frequently mentions wine and sufis are not as strict when it comes to sharia

@johnwbh

Жыл бұрын

Persian Russia would be an interesting direction to go. Maybe ending up with a larger Shi'a cultural grouping around the Caspian.

@bocchithean-cap3404

Жыл бұрын

@@johnwbh maybe but truth be told shiaism is basically just Persian hatred for Islam we aren't real Muslims Also a shia russia wouldn't be too good for us since if they think of themselves as true shia state they'll invade more than they did in real life

It should be also mentioned that Vladimir's grandmother Olga (also a canonised Saint) was a Christian as well as semi-legenary chiefs Askold and Dyre .

@angusyang5917

Жыл бұрын

Askold and Dir didn't stick around, since they were murdered by Oleg, and Olga of Kiev's religion was not followed by her son, who feared that his warriors would laugh at him for converting to such a "peaceful" religion.

@stepanokhrimenko9189

Жыл бұрын

@@angusyang5917 Yet Svyatoslav (the aforementioned son) didn't seem to persecute Christians unlike Oleg.

@angusyang5917

Жыл бұрын

​@@stepanokhrimenko9189 The Rus were traditionally tolerant of other religions, when Sviatoslav I conquered Bulgaria, he allowed the Bulgarian tsar and his state to exist as a vassal under his rule, as he intended to use Bulgaria and its resources to conquer the Byzantine Empire.

@stepanokhrimenko9189

Жыл бұрын

@@angusyang5917 Yeah, i just thought that it's important to point that out

@niccolorichter1488

Жыл бұрын

@@angusyang5917 Olga s son think Christians are peacful? Her son?

Do "what if there was a northern continent?" (like hyperborea) as your next video pls!!!!!!

Here’s one that I think would Impact the course of world history greatly and I haven’t seen anyone do it. What if John Brown succeeded at harpers Ferry

On the ideas for part 2, mostly regarding Russian/Slavic culture and their policies against the Ottomans: In a case of an Islamic Russia, it is a very real possibility that the entire rest of Slavdom and Greece become Catholic. Before the rise of Russia and the Ottoman conquest, the cultural centres of the Slavic world were in Bohemia for the West Slavs and Bulgaria and more specifically Preslav and later Turnovgrad for the South and East Slavs, furthered by the fall of Kyiv under Mongol rule, to the point that we have surviving letters of Russian nobles negotiating buying religious texts at ridiculous prices ither from Byzantium with Bulgaria as the middleman or directly from them, and the Cyrillic alphabet, which was made by Bulgarians on the basis of the Greek alphabet and the Greek but more Czech-ish Glagolitic alphabet became dominant in the Kyivan Rus and the rest of the Orthodox world. The point at which this starts to change is when you remember that, back in the 1200s, Bulgaria went Catholic to counter the Byzantines and get their titles recognised before returning to Orthodoxy because of the IV Crusade and that Byzantium did the exact same thing right before being conquered by the Turks. Without Russia to escape to like in OTL, after the Turks conquer Constantinopole, the Orthodox churches would be forced to escape either to Italy (which admittedly also happened OTL and helped the Renaissance but that's besides the point) or remain alone under foreign, Islamic rule, both options leading to an eventuallity of submitting to Rome's dominion. I doubt the Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians etc. would instantly give up all of their church traditions, as after all they were already centuries entrenched into the societies, rather I envision something similiar to OTL's Uniats or Eastern Catholic churches, keeping most of the traditions and practices of Orthodoxy but remaining in communion with the Pope, although seeing their disantvantageous possition the Orthodox churches would probably be forced to give up more. This whole ordeal would probably also lead to another domino effect, causing Western Europe to be more like the East culturally, considering that OTL the brain-drain from Byzantium and Bulgaria led to ridiculous things like a Bulgarian being Patriarch of Kyiv, many churches straight up just teaching entirely and exclusively in Greek up until Peter the Great forced them not to and Russian writting remaining almost entirely different from the common speech even of the aristocracy, being a sort of weird mix of South and East Slavic or what we now call "Old Church Slavonic" (which is confusing because it's also different from the original Slavic writting and language even tho it's lumped in with them under the language umbrella term), so I expect similliar effects in the West from Greek aristocracy. Okay now comes the part that's actually about Russia. To answer a question you asked in the video, the title of the Russian ruler would remain tsar (or maybe a slightly alternate version due to palatilization like chesar or kesar as was rarely found in OTL) but not because of Roman influence but because the word had already entered into Common Slavic trough Gothic (maybe we're not fully sure) and/or Proto-Germanic by the time the split of Proto-Slavic happened. Without and Orthodox justification, Russia would probably not be that willing to fight the Ottomans, or atleast over Constantinopole, because while there still would be an incentive, they would have no use for hostile Christian territory that is mostly useful for trade with the unwilling Europeans, or atleast not as easy as, like you said, the Volga river. Same things would probably be true for North and Baltic sea trade. With this boxed in situation, I imagine Russia would probably give up on interactions with the West rather quickly, choosing to focus on pushing trough the Caucasus and Siberia way earlier and way faster than OTL, taking a defensive stance in the West. Most likely, Russia's political centre would also move farther East to, possibly to the rich trading centres of the Bulgars like Bolghar or Kazan or maybe even further into newly founded cities on the frontier. I believe that this earlier expansion would also put Russia in an incredibly strong possition, as having their focus East would probably lead to them reaching China just around the time of the gradual fall of the Ming and rise of the Qing. Subsequently, while I don't think a Russian presence would lead to the Ming being saved, I can certainly see Russia grabbing Mongolia and parts of Manchuria and the Atlantic coast while taking advantage of the Chinese wars, leading to an either even more closed off China or an incredibly aggresive one and a similiar relationship with Japan, I really can't tell since i've already went so far away from the point of divergence in this comment put I think it's an interesting thing to think about. All while this happening, I think Russia would at some point in the 1600s also start aggresively moving South, but this time not so much towards Crimea (although yeah I think they'd still probably want that) but more towards Persia, who I think, trough being the closest trade partner of Russia and middleman between them and Arabia, would have a great influence on Russian culture and geopolitics. During this time, the Ottomans were starting to greatly weaken the Persian state and conquer much of their Western land, which would in no doubt effect Russia, and as such I believe that they would probably take advantage by allying or even eventually vassalising the Persians and helping them greatly in the wars against the Ottomans, which would probably end in victory for them and eventual conquest of rich lands like Iraq and the Gulf under Persian/Russian control and make the Ottomans focus way more on their Eastern frontiers and probably even weaken places like the Sultanate of Oman trough the resurgance of Persia as a major player in the Persian gulf even before the age of colonialism and **o i l** in the region. I could go way further with my ideas that this great video inspired, since they truly are many like what would happen with Poland or Sweden but I don't think i'm educated enough on that front (or for basically most of what I said for that matter) and I am really excited to see Cody's ideas on all of this, so i'll leave it off like this. Incredible video, I hope I have been helpful and I can't wait to see part 2. If you read this Cody, good job big guy. TLDR: Russia is even more Asian lmao

@standoutbeing3510

Жыл бұрын

Brother can me text me that

Great video, as always! I have an idea for a future video that no one has ever done that I can find, what if the Muslim world industrialized with the West or at least during the late 1800s. It would be very interesting, in my opinion to see how Iran, central Asia, and arabia would develop in this timeline.

This probably should go along a couple of different lines . . . exploring different reactions to the conversion. The one that seems most viable to me is that Russia splits into eastern and western trading hubs. That leads to a different set of early alliances and the Eastern Slaves finding rich trade relationships with the Turks and other Muslim groups prior to them all being conquered by the mongols and further wielded together by the shared experience/enemy.

I think that a Muslim Russia would be much more influenced by the Turks (the ones from Central Asia) since they would trade with them so much, also think that Ukraine and Belarus would one catholic state since the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth would probably take them over and try to convert them at one point or another.

@LavaCreeperPeople

Жыл бұрын

an islam russia would be terrible

@ABBZ120

Жыл бұрын

@@LavaCreeperPeopleit’s a shame they picked an abrahamic faith anyway - they should’ve remained as their original religion

@angusyang5917

Жыл бұрын

If Lithuania adopted Islam like Russia, the PLC wouldn't exist since Lithuania converted to Christianity in order to attach itself to Poland.

@user-dr7ru8pm3d

Жыл бұрын

@@LavaCreeperPeople Not worse than Christian Russia, at least they will worship the one true God and not a pictures of Christ, they will know the pleasure of faith and they will be saved from the fire.....

@alielkhoumsi4376

Жыл бұрын

@@ABBZ120 If Russians had kept a polytheistic religion, they wouldn’t have lasted long with Muslims south and east and Christians north and west.

If Russia had picked Islam, I'd imagine the Northern Crusades would have gotten a lot more worldwide and interesting to say the least with Islamic forces fighting both the Pagan Lithuanians and Christian crusaders

@zerguskotus2648

Жыл бұрын

Islamic slavs vs Pagan slavs vs Christian slavs vs Christian crusaders vs pagan lithuanians vs christian lithuanians vs pagan lithuanians vs other muslims

Cody has definitely been doing some achievement runs in Crusader Kings 3 lately.

At the start of the video, you mentioned Vlad considered Judaism. Not sure if you intend for there to be a Part 3, but that would certainly be an interesting scenario.

Part 2 should focus on the economic factors. Financing and trade were frowned upon in our Russia but would have been seen very differently from an Islamic perspective. While rulers are very significant, I don't see the medieval plebs of Russia still existing by the time of the Russian-Japanese war.

@johnwbh

Жыл бұрын

The Shariah courts would also make a big difference as an alternative source of legitimacy and civic structure

@mastersafari5349

Жыл бұрын

Well Islamic world isn't really famous with it's financing and trade. Developed capitalism with banks, joined enterprises, etc. was firstly developed in Western Christian states. And "medieval" peasants were a normal occurence throughout Eurasia. Turkish, Iranian, Armenian, Uzbek etc. all lived in more or less similar conditions as Russians. So I don't see how change of Religion would affect their economic well-being/

@k.umquat8604

Жыл бұрын

@@mastersafari5349 They would still have a "merchant class", kind of like the Ahi guilds in medieval Anatolia. Muhammad, after all, was a merchant who travelled to Syria to sell luxury goods. Charging interest would be sewn as a form of usury, but as this Russia would grow its economy from the Volga river trade with the Persians and the fur trade with the Europeans, they would still have a focus on commerce. Peasants and serfs would still exist at least until the 18th century however.

A Russian caliph would be wild

Hey here's one that I'd really be interested in seeing you tackle. CBS ran a show called Jericho in the mid 2000's. It's a very post 9/11 and Katrina type show where 23 US cities are destroyed in nuclear blasts during a terrorist attack and the story focuses on the small Kansas town of Jericho. It only lasted two seasons, with the final season only being like 7 episodes. It created its own interesting mythos and apt history. Just some food for thought....

I want part 2

I wonder if Russia's relationship with Central Asia would've change. Central Asia probably is still part of empire. But the "vibes" are completely different.

@user-dr7ru8pm3d

Жыл бұрын

not just central Asia but the Islamic republics inside of modern Russia

What gets crazy to me is how the scenario of Islamic russia uniting (except for Novgorod) and holding together the same way they did in our timeline and how it changes 19th century to present day history. How would that affect WW1? Novogorod being a player also opens up fascinating possibilities. Like the central powers seeing them as basically “true russia” or maybe Novogord gets ambitions of conqu- I mean reclaiming old Russia. Maybe in the past years they petition for crusades again and again. But how does that effect everything with Poland? It’s unlikely because of Poland but what happens if Novgorod embraces the reformation and becomes Lutheran or Reformed? How does it affect WW2? Kinda depends I guess how who they side with in WW1. But imagine this: the Russian civil war still happens in this alternate timeline but it’s against an islamic state. So islam is more widely seen as the imperialist enemy that must be brought down. This could see “white” (or maybe they’re “green” in this case?) army fleeing into Novgorod and bringing islamic influences with them, while the newly established Soviet Union actually looks to spread SOUTH towards other Muslim nations. So what happens to Turkey? What happens to Iran? Etc. and if communism is so busy looking south and not at Europe proper, do the nazis even feel threatened by it? Does Europe? If they don’t or feel threatened by socialism but see communism as a strange eastern mutation of it, then perhaps something like operation Barbarossa doesn’t actually happen. Lebensraum is achieved by conquering Poland and Novgorod and the countries like Estonia and Latvia. I think this whole scenario has Russia facing south and East. Their march over the Urals may come sooner in this time and I imagine more frequent wars with Japan. But does an Islamic Russian army fight the Asians for national purposes or for jihad purposes? And if they succeed? Does Japan become muslim? And what a wrench THAT throws into the 20th century as we know it. Imagine Islamic Russians breaking Japan’s isolation. Or turning them Muslim before they isolated. A Japan without their paganism and emperor worship up and into the 20th century I imagine means potentially no radical expansion into China. It completely changes everything but also if somehow they end up as America’s enemy in WW2, the war takes on a very different view. America is seen as a Christian nation and sees itself the same way just with religious liberty essentially. Does that mean WW2 in the pacific takes on a religious aspect of the Christian West vs the Muslim East? Interesting stuff. The butterfly effect for this one is insane lol.

@777mustdie

7 ай бұрын

Yeah Novgorod is really "true Russia", not the Moscow region or Kiev as per others

fuck yeah I’ve been wanting the scenario for ages

it's not often I actually watch the sponsor promos, but Jimmy's existential crisis won me over 😂

This wasn't the Victorious option in the poll but it's still a fun concept

@Greed26

Жыл бұрын

I had the same thought like... why ask what the next vid should be in a poll if you're just... not gonna do it?

@boygenius538_8

Жыл бұрын

@@Greed26 becaus the poll picked the most boring option

@Greed26

Жыл бұрын

@@boygenius538_8 then why even make it an option?

Fun fact history was my least favorite subject in school this channel alone has woken me up to the whole subject. Never thought it was possible but alternate history hub did it.

@maciejbala477

Жыл бұрын

i feel like few people like history because of school lol. Somehow they always manage to make it seem rather uninteresting, but when you dig deep into it, you realize how fascinating it actually is.

I'm really interested for how this alternate 19th to 21st century will be

Do a video on the Finno-Korean Hyperwar!

I think the two major takeaways from this timeline are that 1) The South of Russia, stretching from eastern Ukraine over the Volga river and into parts of central Asia, would be either some kind of unified Islamic state or a series of smaller countries. Regardless, I think if anything Poland is the one who expands east and sort of replaces Russia, at least west of the urals. What this means for things like German unification, idk. 2) If Japan goes down a smiliar path to OTL, westernizing and industrializing, they might create a huge empire in the east. If China is weakened much the same in the 19th century, there would really be nobody to stand in the way of Japanese expansion into Pacific Siberia, Korea, and probably much of China as well. I can't possibly imagine what this would mean for global alliances etc. Maybe the British would see them as an ally against China, maybe they would view them as a threat. Maybe we get the Emperor of Japan claiming the Mandate of Heaven. Okay that last one is a bit out there. I'd like to give a disclaimer that I am not very smart with history and this was all just thought off on a whim.

Love the Idea of an independent Novgorod. Could lead to an interesting timeline were the livonian Order survives longer due to the catholic allie to the east. Add to that a rising Sweden/Denmark in the baltic and a "crusading/converting" Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and you've got an nice explosive mix for the upcoming religious conflicts in the late 1500s to early 1600s.

@user-kl2qz4lw1z

10 ай бұрын

In this case, Novgorod will meet with the Swedish Empire (which has become the strongest in Europe). In reality, there was the Northern War, in which Peter 1 destroyed the Swedish Empire. If Novgorod does not have such a strong leader as Peter 1, then it is difficult to say who will win this war. The history of the whole world will be different

@shzarmai

5 ай бұрын

Yep, also Serbia is in big trouble without Russian help lol

Please do a what if on Turks accepting Christianity instead of Islam

@abeerelbakry4312

Жыл бұрын

They will be gay End of the talk

@GigaChadJesus776

Жыл бұрын

@@abeerelbakry4312 -islam- chuslam is the worst ever 🤮🤮

@Alfakta23

Жыл бұрын

​@@GigaChadJesus776 Linduism Maderchooodd

@Egmanus

11 ай бұрын

@@hsjshdnjsjsm2830 I was thinking about the Oğuz Turks. Basically a scenario of an Orthodox Ottoman Empire or something like that.

@ajiprnk4821

5 ай бұрын

idk at which times?

6:00 the proclamation of emperor Dušan's law codex!!!

Immediately, this is one of the most cursed things I’ve ever seen. Keep it up.

@user-op8fg3ny3j

Жыл бұрын

Cursed? Muslim Russia means no communism which is based

Here's an idea 12:00. You previously noted how Russia is instead being largely based on Byzantine and Roman styles, but would instead have a far closer connection to Muslim Persia. So how about they take on the title of Shah?

@subgum3403

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@mint8648

Жыл бұрын

Or khan

@finalMadfox

Жыл бұрын

@@mint8648 Khan was a Mongolian title and I don't think a Russian leader wants to be associated with the same people who kinda oppressed them.

@mint8648

Жыл бұрын

@@finalMadfox khan was turkic and the first rus rulers called themselves khagans. their were khanates in eastern europe way before the mongols (like avar khanate)

@finalMadfox

Жыл бұрын

@@mint8648 I am putting my perspective on the people who might just associate that title with the Mongols

Hey Cody, it this a good idea? I would like for you to make a video about: What if the Indian Removal Acts never happened?

This looks like the craziest EU4 game I've ever played

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