Why China's Shenzhou is Better Than Russia's Soyuz

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China's Shenzhou spacecraft is heavily inspired from Soyuz, and there are likely systems copied directly from Soyuz. However, with the benefits of 21st century development it's not wedded to many of the limitations imposed by the Soyuz heritage.
Which oddly enough means that between the last flight of Shuttle and the first Crewed flight of Dragon it was the best operational human rated spacecraft.... I never thought about that until I wrote this description.
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  • @csours
    @csours29 күн бұрын

    If those ex-Soviet engineers are anything like me, they spent the whole time telling their Chinese counterparts: "And I wish I had done this differently, and this, and this ...."

  • @barnabuskorrum4004

    @barnabuskorrum4004

    29 күн бұрын

    Your planes are falling apart. Get real.

  • @Dunewarrior00

    @Dunewarrior00

    29 күн бұрын

    Ah the engineer's universal prayer: "I wish I did this differently"

  • @Usrthsbcufeh

    @Usrthsbcufeh

    29 күн бұрын

    @@barnabuskorrum4004huh what?

  • @leafboye33

    @leafboye33

    29 күн бұрын

    Ignore that weirdo he's harmless​@@Usrthsbcufeh

  • @HarmKaban

    @HarmKaban

    29 күн бұрын

    ​@@barnabuskorrum4004 1. Your 2. The planes are falling apart because of mismanagement, not because of the engineers. 3. You're (which stands for "you are") right in one thing: the American education is trash and getting trashier by the hour all while the Chinese, Indian and especially Russian engineers are less and less likely to immigrate into the United States and save your industry.

  • @jillkang6526
    @jillkang652629 күн бұрын

    I was in primary school in Shenzhen, Guangdong when Shenzhou 5 launched, and on that day the school made all the students gather in the multimedia room (which is like a big big room with projectors and a stage and seats enough for the whole school) and cancelled all the classes for the period when the event is broadcast live on TV. That sure was a good day of no classes, but it also kinda sparked my interest in spaceflight, which I kept to this day.

  • @judet2992

    @judet2992

    29 күн бұрын

    Amazing!

  • @jackharle1251

    @jackharle1251

    29 күн бұрын

    History has proven that China can't be trusted. Should we address their supposed summit of Everest? How about a bioweapon that crashed the World's economy?

  • @bewilderbeestie

    @bewilderbeestie

    29 күн бұрын

    I remember the same thing happening at my school for the Shuttle maiden flight... and I wasn't even in the US!

  • @donjones4719

    @donjones4719

    29 күн бұрын

    My school stopped everything so we could watch the first Mercury flight and the first Mercury orbital flight. I was very young, I think I was more amazed that the school owned TVs. And yeah, now I'm old.

  • @penguin44ca

    @penguin44ca

    28 күн бұрын

    Really? You remember watching the launch he just said was not broadcast?

  • @familyplans3788
    @familyplans378829 күн бұрын

    Must be amazing to have the space to safely land a new spacecraft, Here in the U.K. the largest area we have uninhabited and empty is the trophy room at Bournemouth Football club

  • @scottmanley

    @scottmanley

    29 күн бұрын

    There were a couple of runways which were available for the space shuttle in the event of a trans atlantic abort scenario

  • @ivarbrouwer197

    @ivarbrouwer197

    29 күн бұрын

    There’s Scotland, pretty empty up north…

  • @ivarbrouwer197

    @ivarbrouwer197

    29 күн бұрын

    @@scottmanley ofcourse the spaceshuttle could target a landing site.. a craft like soyouz is more prone to outside influence and probably bad at targeting a specific point/zone.

  • @Anmeteor9663

    @Anmeteor9663

    29 күн бұрын

    ​@@scottmanley One was RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire. I was there in May 1983 when Enterprise landed on the piggyback 747. What a day! We were so close at the parking stand that the 747 wingtip was right in front of us.

  • @MrGeforcerFX

    @MrGeforcerFX

    29 күн бұрын

    @@ivarbrouwer197 The modern capsules are actually pretty steerable on reentry so they can usually aim and get within a couple squaremiles of a target depending on winds. In the Ocean not a huge issue but starliner has to stay within it's landing zone on land.

  • @SF7PAKISTAN
    @SF7PAKISTAN29 күн бұрын

    "Better not to piss in diaper, baby doesn't like it, neither does an adult" has to be one of the best lines ever spoken about human space exploration

  • @Sparweb_Projects

    @Sparweb_Projects

    27 күн бұрын

    Alan Shepard learned that one the hard way - and he did not even have the diaper!

  • @ronschlorff7089

    @ronschlorff7089

    27 күн бұрын

    @@Sparweb_Projects true, but he got his "revenge" some years later as commander of Apollo 14!! He even golfed there!! LOL ;D

  • @repatch43
    @repatch4329 күн бұрын

    Several years ago I was in Shanghai for business and being the geek I am visited the science center. They had a massive display about the Chinese space program. I was embarrassed in how little I knew about what their program had accomplished, it was quite impressive.

  • @ulyssis

    @ulyssis

    28 күн бұрын

    I mentioned what the Chinese have achieved, the a friend of mine, who is an earth scientist working at a prestigious European university, was first puzzled and then surprised after searching online.

  • @SuperCatacata

    @SuperCatacata

    24 күн бұрын

    Hard to share it with the world when nearly all forms of social media and regular media used by the outside world are banned. There is no shame in not knowing what goes on in a country like that. It's by design of the CCP.

  • @wlyiu4057

    @wlyiu4057

    19 күн бұрын

    @@ulyssis I love White people and their subtle racism of low expectations. It makes blindsiding them trivially easy. The best part is they *never* learn.

  • @NiksSofa
    @NiksSofa29 күн бұрын

    There is way too little talk and information about chinese space program in the english speaking internet. Very happy to see you take this up and I hope you cover their other projects as well.

  • @captaindunsel2806

    @captaindunsel2806

    29 күн бұрын

    There's not a lot of info on the Chinese speaking internet either!

  • @kukuc96

    @kukuc96

    28 күн бұрын

    @@captaindunsel2806 I imagine that's because the whole space program is more secretive than US, ESA, JAXA etc. programs, so there is not nearly as much information available to begin with. Not just that it doesn't travel to public discourse on the internet.

  • @moss550

    @moss550

    28 күн бұрын

    @@kukuc96 You would be more secretive about what you are doing if you have a competitor that publicly states they intend to sabotage your program, slow your progress, and spend billions of tax payer money on smearing campaigns.

  • @mattmichael2441

    @mattmichael2441

    28 күн бұрын

    ​@@moss550 nah, rather their entire manned spaceflight program is managed directly by the military. A lot of programs started like this but split to better focus on their goals. Most of the major players like NASA, JAXA, ESA are civilian in nature. Even Iran has two programs.

  • @ImieNazwiskoOK

    @ImieNazwiskoOK

    28 күн бұрын

    @@moss550 I'm curious to the source about publicly stating those intents

  • @Vespuchian
    @Vespuchian29 күн бұрын

    I recently read a lovely illustrated history of the Soviet manned space program and I'm struck by how much Shenzhou resembles the original proposals for Soyuz that were subsequently scaled back, particularly the orbit module.

  • @Dayznology

    @Dayznology

    29 күн бұрын

    What was this illustrated history?

  • @DIREWOLFx75

    @DIREWOLFx75

    29 күн бұрын

    Yeah, several of the Soviet engineers had some really neat and ambitious ideas.

  • @jeffery7281

    @jeffery7281

    28 күн бұрын

    And I also read a collection of essays about the early conceptual works on Shenzhou. Surprisingly to me, there's actually two different ways even after they decided to using the overall configuration of Soyuz (i.e. the orbit-reentry-service modules), and the alternate design was actually looked more western-style, with a truncated cone capsule that looked like Gemini or even early version of Dragon!

  • @Reactordrone

    @Reactordrone

    28 күн бұрын

    @@Dayznology The Soviet manned space program by Phillip Clark.

  • @odysseusrex5908

    @odysseusrex5908

    28 күн бұрын

    What was the name of the history? For those interested, I highly recommend "Challenge to Apollo" by Asif Siddiqi.

  • @STho205
    @STho20528 күн бұрын

    This happened 200 years ago with steam locos. The US, new to industrialization, imported Scottish and English locos to get their first RRs operating. US machinists had to fabricate spare parts...then back engineered cloned, but the clones eventually were improved. Then they became specialized to the frontier terrain that did not exist in Britain or France....becoming a much more capable loco line for the purpose...and Beitish machine shops started integrating some American innovations to incorporate into their colonial Empire railways. Eventually at the end of steam Britain had some beautifully elegant, fast but quaint engines to pull trains through the rolling English countryside. The US had Big Boy and Challengers to drag mile long teains over the Allegheny and Rockys.

  • @howilearned2stopworrying508

    @howilearned2stopworrying508

    28 күн бұрын

    gonna write an alternate history novel where the British Empire intentionally supports the Confederacy and sanctions the Union for stealing IP. Maybe at some point the Confederates lose the mainland and have a government in exile on a little island off the coast like Cuba or PR

  • @paulsengupta971

    @paulsengupta971

    26 күн бұрын

    Also see the Harrier aircraft...

  • @ronschlorff7089

    @ronschlorff7089

    24 күн бұрын

    Love old trains, hence a whole hobby, industry, restoration, following, etc. today devoted to their construction, and layouts as models, worldwide. A most lovely innovation was steam, for any vehicles' power, for example. High art and engineering for us essentially lowly stupid little f'ing monkeys, I think!! ;D LOL

  • @user-li7ec3fg6h
    @user-li7ec3fg6h28 күн бұрын

    The clever thing about the three-part solution is that the landing capsule can maintain its position relatively easily thanks to the simultaneous separation, because the recoil from the two separated parts is roughly equalized. I seem to remember that American engineers were also very enthusiastic about this solution. (It's like when the American re-engineering of the Soviet test space plane BOR-05 revealed that the Soviets had recognized and used principles that were still unknown to the Americans. As Scott last year showed, the resulting model developed at Langley became the mockup for Dreamchaser).

  • @odysseusrex5908

    @odysseusrex5908

    28 күн бұрын

    There was never any three module proposal in the American program. To the best of my knowledge, the modules do not separate simultaneously, and, either way, it would make no measurable difference to the reentry module's orbital dynamics.

  • @sirfirewolfe5647

    @sirfirewolfe5647

    26 күн бұрын

    ​​​@@odysseusrex5908that's not true, GE had a proposal for a 3 module Apollo capsule which had measurable benefits over the in house NASA Langley design which ended up being developed. Additionally, the simple fact that you would have similar impulses imparted on the descent module in opposing directions to one another would provide the effect OP described, provided that capsule orientation remained the same and the separations occurred close enough to one another

  • @stanbatchelor810

    @stanbatchelor810

    25 күн бұрын

    ​@sirfirewolfe5647 I believe this was the Apollo D2 concept. The reentry module was called the GE headlight because it was shaped like an old automotive headlight, two hemispheres of differing diameter joined by a short conical section. Soyuz appeared several years later with a similar shaped reentry module. Part of the reason for the stacked configuration of Soyuz was the R7 based launch vehicle had a very slim upper stage so an Apollo type capsule would give the launch vehicle a hammerhead shape.

  • @tsmithkc
    @tsmithkc29 күн бұрын

    Those orbit modules are pretty cool. You could build a little bit of a space station by just docking them up and leaving them up there after each mission.

  • @xinyansun9174

    @xinyansun9174

    29 күн бұрын

    My thoughts too when I saw them. But later I learned the orbit module only has hatch on one side so you cannot connect them. And even if you add additional ports, connecting multiple orbital modules will result in a wobbly space station and too many toilets.

  • @adamadamadamadam

    @adamadamadamadam

    29 күн бұрын

    @@xinyansun9174 you could add some kind of truss. and you can never have too many toilets

  • @zam6877

    @zam6877

    29 күн бұрын

    Good point 😸 But I am split on the toilets A personal potty? Excellence in waste disposal redundancy? These are serious issues, really 😐

  • @Ithirahad

    @Ithirahad

    29 күн бұрын

    @@xinyansun9174 This is exploitable... You can make a dedicated module with 6 docking ports specifically designed to carry a bunch of Shenzhou OMs to serve as the restroom hallway on a large station.

  • @DIREWOLFx75

    @DIREWOLFx75

    29 күн бұрын

    "You could build a little bit of a space station by just docking them up and leaving them up there after each mission." Not very functional. Remember, space stations tend to be put in orbits relatively close to Earth, as that lets them use the Earth's magnetosphere to protect against the worst radiation, meaning that a lot of rad-shielding can be skipped that is required for outer space. What this ALSO means is that the orbit is affected by the outer parts of the atmosphere. Which means that you must add enough fuel to the thrusters that you can do minor maneuvering burns often enough. Regular capsules usually does not have the fueltanks for this. Also, lifesupport needs change from shortterm, which capsules are designed for, to longterm, which they cannot handle. So no, sadly just putting them in orbit and slowly joining old ones together into a station is not an option. Also, the crew still needs a way to get back down.

  • @rh9909
    @rh990928 күн бұрын

    10:20 That wound was caused by his mic hitting his lips on ship landing. The most dangerous period in SZ5 is actually during its ascend, the ship was resonantly vibrating with rocket at 30-40K height, and Yang described his experience as "my organs being shaken into piece and when that was finally gone I feel revived". He and other Taikongnauts are really heroes for us.

  • @rh9909

    @rh9909

    28 күн бұрын

    11:00 There's a trivia upon this scene: They were running out of time for the spacewalk (before the ship got out of telemetry area), and the door was stuck. Apparently it was due to 1kPa of remaining air in orbit module, and Zhai brute-forced the door open, and the rest is history.

  • @rh9909

    @rh9909

    28 күн бұрын

    I also want to add that only SZ 1-6 have automatic orbit modules with their own solar panels. SZ7 do not have them, and from SZ8 ships were batch made, also without solar panels.

  • @kaifengwu6565
    @kaifengwu656527 күн бұрын

    I remember watching the broadcast of Shenzhou 5 as a kid on the bus home from school. I stayed glued to that tiny TV, missed my stop, and had to walk half an hour back. That day kindled my passion for space. Today, an experiment I designed just went on a "zero-G" parabolic flight. If I keep up the good work, perhaps one day my work will be on a real spaceflight. Also fyi: Shenzhou in Chinese means Divine Vessel. Mengzhou means Dream Vessel, and the space station, Tiangong, is Havenly Palace, or more directly translated as palace in the sky. Lots of mythological references, just like Japanese and Indian space programs, which I enjoy.

  • @rais1953

    @rais1953

    16 күн бұрын

    Thanks for sharing that.

  • @hanweiliu8850
    @hanweiliu885029 күн бұрын

    I was in elementary school in 2003 and I am sure we all watched Shenzhou-5 mission live on School's television that year. The false alarm happened during EVA in Shenzhou-7 was also live on TV.

  • @watcherzero5256

    @watcherzero5256

    28 күн бұрын

    Was initially announced to be live streamed by CCTV a week before launch, however the day before launch CCTV announced they had been ordered by the government to cancel the plan and only show pre-recorded highlights. So they showed video of launch a few minutes after it happened and reported landing but the number of crew onboard and the crews identity was kept secret by the government until after the successful landing.

  • @postahundredcommentsbutonl4408

    @postahundredcommentsbutonl4408

    27 күн бұрын

    2006年

  • @ComdZero

    @ComdZero

    25 күн бұрын

    神五那个直播是延后的。知乎上有人说过了。正常是9点多点火,但“直播”是10点多。

  • @kjteitel
    @kjteitel29 күн бұрын

    I like that you are able to compliment another country's progress without judgement. Great job. I loved this video.

  • @ronschlorff7089

    @ronschlorff7089

    27 күн бұрын

    True, and in the "final analysis" we are all the same ape decedents, worldwide. So, any progress in space by any of us is a "giant leap for ape-kind"! Right Scotty, you old chimp you!! ;D LOL

  • @mbukukanyau

    @mbukukanyau

    27 күн бұрын

    Communists are bad, scientists are not bad.

  • @ronschlorff7089

    @ronschlorff7089

    26 күн бұрын

    @@grapesurgeon yes, and I made some sweet and sour pork with rice just last night!! Good "communist" food! ;D LOL

  • @ronschlorff7089

    @ronschlorff7089

    26 күн бұрын

    @@grapesurgeon Really? But it was so good I'm having it again tonight, re-heated as we speak!! :D BTW, we still have something free speech in Our part of the world here, so far anyway!! So, good luck, in whatever "armpit region" of the planet you live in, ...chump! LOL ;D

  • @ronschlorff7089

    @ronschlorff7089

    26 күн бұрын

    @@grapesurgeon LOL ;D

  • @yyangcn
    @yyangcn26 күн бұрын

    1:38 Project or rather “Program 863” stands for the year 1986 - March. It’s actually a big program not just for manned space missions but also covers a long list of important state funded projects in areas including space, biotech, IT, material science, etc.

  • @JamesField
    @JamesField29 күн бұрын

    I'm guilty of being one of those who thought Shenzhou was simply a slightly enlarged Soyuz, but there are so many obvious differences now that you've pointed them out. Watching the last landing coverage on the English language Chinese channel, I was intrigued by the Gamma ray altimeter. I'm sure that's a Soyuz feature too, but I'd love to know why gamma-rays are "better" than laser altimetry, especially with all the precautions required to keep recovery crews out of harm's way until the gamma source is appropriately obscured.

  • @wally7856

    @wally7856

    29 күн бұрын

    Dust, aerosols, clouds - all can give lidar false readings. Gamma rays can see through those.

  • @KVP424

    @KVP424

    29 күн бұрын

    I heard Gamma ray altimeter can work through stubborn heat shield piece that may still be on the aircraft, or deep snow cover ground. All of this is necessary since the precise ignition of landing thruster during the last few second before landing is vital part of landing process.

  • @user-nl4wd5oc9j

    @user-nl4wd5oc9j

    28 күн бұрын

    @@KVP424 At an altitude of 6 kilometers above the ground, the heat shield at the bottom of the re-entry capsule will be jettisoned to reveal the retro-thrusters.

  • @KVP424

    @KVP424

    28 күн бұрын

    @@user-nl4wd5oc9jYeah I know that. I was mentioning about scenerio where there are some potential anomaly, which gamma ray altimeter can still work despite it.

  • @CumulusGranitis

    @CumulusGranitis

    28 күн бұрын

    Yes it is a feature of the Soyuz from the beginning. A simple way to way to make a ground sensor where the "transmitter" will always work, with gamma ray detector that picks up the back scatter in the final few meters of the descent. When the intensity of the back scatter reaches a pre determined value, the detector fires the small retro solid rocket motors to significantly reduce the "thump" as the capsule hits the ground. It is due to the highly radioactive gamma ray source on the bottom of Soyuz and Shenzhou, after "thump down" the 1st person to approach the spacecraft is always a person with a 2 meter long stick with a lead plug on the end. It is the "gamma source plug" persons job to cap the gamma source opening and thus make it safe for the rest of the recovery team to approach.

  • @alexpishvanov736
    @alexpishvanov73629 күн бұрын

    May be because Shenzhou is at least 40 years newer than Soyuz ))))

  • @verypleasantguy

    @verypleasantguy

    29 күн бұрын

    China stole the technology, as usual !

  • @zanelittlegray

    @zanelittlegray

    29 күн бұрын

    Soyuz was only 15 yrs old when Putin seized Russia, but Putin has been too busy doing "other things" for him to worry about keeping his nation's manned space program alive.

  • @dadrising6464

    @dadrising6464

    29 күн бұрын

    My immediate thought

  • @romerobryan83

    @romerobryan83

    29 күн бұрын

    So there’s been no improvements made by the Russians on their Soyuz in 40 years ..

  • @MrkTan

    @MrkTan

    29 күн бұрын

    40 years? Weren't the Soyuz introduced around 1960 I think?

  • @edcallahan9536
    @edcallahan953628 күн бұрын

    Always great content and contextual coverage - thank you!

  • @TheDesktopOrbinaut
    @TheDesktopOrbinaut29 күн бұрын

    Also interesting to note that the taikonauts that flew on Shenzhou 6 and 7 became one of the first commanders of the Tiangong Space Station over 14 years later

  • @BigBrotherHal2001
    @BigBrotherHal200129 күн бұрын

    Interesting video thanks for sharing Scott

  • @mikeyangyang8816
    @mikeyangyang881627 күн бұрын

    In my primary school, during the week of shenzhou 5 launch, our teacher had us doing all kinds of activities related to the space program. Everyone get to choose their own projects to work on. It was such an amazing time, I chose to do a presentation on the space suits. i edited and made then printed manuals for the different space suits for each of my classmates (each manual was like 20 pages long). The time i spent reading on how the suit design decision definitely changed how my life turned till now. I still think back to how i enjoy designing and making stuff. I now hold a degree in physics and a degree in computer science. Space programs like this have the ability to change a generation of people.

  • @CryptoJones
    @CryptoJones28 күн бұрын

    Great video, Scott! Thank you for making it!

  • @ronschlorff7089

    @ronschlorff7089

    27 күн бұрын

    Yup! "Great Scott, another video"!! LOL ;D

  • @Lurthatgurl
    @Lurthatgurl8 күн бұрын

    I just found your channel and have been binge watching the last 2 days, I love everything space. So glad I found you!!

  • @jamest18
    @jamest1829 күн бұрын

    It's very unfortunate the three biggest players in space flight have never truly gotten along. Imagine what we could have seen with the US and Soviet Union working together in the 60s and now what the US, Russia, and China could do if we all got along. What a world that would be.

  • @heyykenn9099

    @heyykenn9099

    28 күн бұрын

    Well the same could be said here on Earth. Imagine a world where countries cooperate with each other. If we can cooperate in space, why not also on earth

  • @alexgood1056

    @alexgood1056

    28 күн бұрын

    они и так сотрудничают, в основном благодаря коррупции и в области шпионажа по принципу враг моего врага мой друг, благо конкурирующих разведок в мире предостаточно, так что диффузия знаний неостановима.

  • @HrLBolle

    @HrLBolle

    28 күн бұрын

    the fact that Wernher von Braun and his top engineers where snatched by the US, who than failed to understand and exploit the treasure trove of knowledge regarding rocketry they had claimed, not by chance but by design of von Braun himself, still irks me. the fact that the Soviets became the first to establish a presence in orbit although they could only rely on the engineers and knowledge base of level 3 and below is quite fascinating.

  • @alexgood1056

    @alexgood1056

    28 күн бұрын

    @@HrLBolle член НСДАП барон вернер фон браун вывез с собой в США архив массой 43 тонны и весь коллектив специалистов своего КБ, что-то из этого всяко американцам пригодилось.

  • @HrLBolle

    @HrLBolle

    28 күн бұрын

    @@alexgood1056 danke für das schließen von Wissenslücken. Es gibt immer jemanden der mehr weiß als man selbst. Thanks for closing the knowledge gaps. There is always someone who knows more than you.

  • @yren3386
    @yren338623 күн бұрын

    3:43 Side note on the rocket width: If we look at the Long March series. Bigger ones aren't any wider. They only get longer and longer. The rockets need to be transported by train to the launch site in Gansu. Then assembled on site. There are notoriously numbers of mountains and tunnels along the way. Thus, the rocket can't get any wider or they won't fit the tunnels. US doesn't have this problem because KSC is in Florida, next to sea. Rockets can be cargo shipped in. In recent years, China opened the Hainan launch site, which is also near sea. So, the newly designed rockets no longer have this constraint.

  • @user-if2wl1yb8m
    @user-if2wl1yb8m29 күн бұрын

    I love that you use Juno to show the Shenzhou mission profile, you're the reason I started playing it, and I've been hooked ever since.

  • @connycontainer9459

    @connycontainer9459

    29 күн бұрын

    I assumed it was KSP2. Does it (Juno) compare well to KSP1 ?

  • @ExcaliburAero

    @ExcaliburAero

    29 күн бұрын

    @@connycontainer9459 absolutely, i love it. Played both KSP1 and Juno and i have to say i love Juno so so much more

  • @BigstockGamingINC

    @BigstockGamingINC

    29 күн бұрын

    Long Live Juno

  • @BigstockGamingINC

    @BigstockGamingINC

    29 күн бұрын

    @@ExcaliburAerohello

  • @kspencerian

    @kspencerian

    29 күн бұрын

    @@connycontainer9459 Very comparable to a modded KSP1, and with procedural parts. Best of all, it works on Mac, PC, and mobile devices.

  • @mecha37000fighter
    @mecha37000fighter19 күн бұрын

    I loved this video, would love to see this turn into a series

  • @joeyp1927
    @joeyp192729 күн бұрын

    China did develop much of its own technology in the Shenzhou. But to the extent that they copied or borrowed from the Russians, remember what Leonard Da Vinci, the greatest inventor of all time, once said: "What one can copy, one can do." There is an enormous amount of thought and labor that goes into copying, and the outcome is insight, know-how, and sometimes, innovation.

  • @jpdemer5

    @jpdemer5

    29 күн бұрын

    You just couldn't do it _until_ you copied it.

  • @PinkLittleElephant

    @PinkLittleElephant

    29 күн бұрын

    Also it wasn't blind copying... They paid for russian expertise and designed an enhanced version. I vaguely remember some early Chinese taikonauts being trained in Russia too

  • @jaimeduncan6167

    @jaimeduncan6167

    29 күн бұрын

    Are you a Chinese robot?

  • @roriegilligan8134

    @roriegilligan8134

    29 күн бұрын

    They improved those earlier designs

  • @maiaemmett2399

    @maiaemmett2399

    29 күн бұрын

    Also reverse engineering and copying technology is a lot more difficult than a lot of people give it credit. It's more than just seeing what parts are used and how they're arranged, you have to build the industry and logistics to support all that.

  • @ioresult
    @ioresult29 күн бұрын

    When Scott Manley starts using Juno instead of KSP for demos, it's a sad day for KSP. ⚰

  • @GreyDeathVaccine

    @GreyDeathVaccine

    29 күн бұрын

    Never heard of Juno

  • @KellyWu04

    @KellyWu04

    29 күн бұрын

    Scott Manley has been using Juno: New Origins in his videos for months if not over a year by now. It’s better for things that can’t be easily modeled in KSP, as you just download someone’s craft instead of hoping someone made a part mod for the parts of whatever spacecraft you want to show.

  • @KellyWu04

    @KellyWu04

    29 күн бұрын

    @@GreyDeathVaccineJuno: New Origins was covered by Scott Manley in a video from about a year ago. You can watch that.

  • @ioresult

    @ioresult

    29 күн бұрын

    @@KellyWu04 thanks. I wasn't paying attention before but the recent news about KSP2 made me take notice.

  • @thekinginyellow1744

    @thekinginyellow1744

    28 күн бұрын

    Didn't Scott's channel start as just a Kerbal thing?

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations29 күн бұрын

    Fascinating stuff indeed! Thanks, Scott! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @RaNc0R
    @RaNc0R29 күн бұрын

    But I still love Soyuz, with the beautiful Korolev cross, 60 years old work horse still carrying people to the space. Time tested and reliable.

  • @dewayneblue1834

    @dewayneblue1834

    29 күн бұрын

    You need to give credit to the true originator, the R-7 ICBM of 1957. Soyuz is just one of its many derivatives.

  • @RaNc0R

    @RaNc0R

    29 күн бұрын

    @@dewayneblue1834 ofc, the whole evolution of the R7 family.

  • @phuzz00

    @phuzz00

    29 күн бұрын

    At least in the early days, they got artists in to add paintings of nature scenes to the inside of the orbit module, to make it a bit more homely for the cosmonauts.

  • @GuillermoPradoObando

    @GuillermoPradoObando

    28 күн бұрын

    The korolev cross is still an stunning thing.

  • @cosmotect

    @cosmotect

    28 күн бұрын

    ​@@dewayneblue1834well, by that logic you can go back to the beginning of the universe

  • @AlteredBuzzard
    @AlteredBuzzard29 күн бұрын

    Something I did in KSP is strap 2 boosters to the side of a larger payload to get it into orbit. Imagine Delta IV Heavy but a space station with an interstage instead of a full stage. Was wondering how practical would having stages mounted horizontally instead of Virtically would be? Obviously we're now seeing Falcon Heavy but they're just the launcher.

  • @FireCrack
    @FireCrack29 күн бұрын

    Just a pronunciation note because these things are often tough, "Mengzhou" in Standard Chinese is pronounced more similarly to how an English speaker would say "mung" in the first syllable (eg, "uh" sound instead of the long "e"). Obviously this still won't be perfect pronunciation (lacking tones) but it's a bit closer to it.

  • @lagrangewei

    @lagrangewei

    28 күн бұрын

    mung actually sound further than meng from what it suppose to sound like.

  • @FireCrack

    @FireCrack

    28 күн бұрын

    @@lagrangewei yeah, I kinda also had a second thought too, because "mung" could also be very far from correct. Really need to brush up on IPA to get a reasonable answer here, because English pronunciation can be very ambiguous.

  • @AlexSchendel
    @AlexSchendel29 күн бұрын

    The footage of the space station in Juno at the end has reminded me that I need to play Juno again. Very underrated space game.

  • @CryptoJones

    @CryptoJones

    28 күн бұрын

    I googled this and realized I had it in my Steam Library! Thanks for calling out the name of the game!

  • @AlexSchendel

    @AlexSchendel

    28 күн бұрын

    @@CryptoJones yeah! Was originally called Simple Rockets 2, but they renamed it to "Juno: New Origins" with a big update a while back haha.

  • @ilanle
    @ilanle29 күн бұрын

    Hey Scott. It would be interesting if you do an episode about grid-fins ❤

  • @RCAvhstape

    @RCAvhstape

    21 күн бұрын

    This

  • @odysseusrex5908
    @odysseusrex590828 күн бұрын

    That was very, very interesting Scott. I have read different things saying Shenzhou is better than Soyuz and that it is just a copy. Now I know for sure. Having the Orbital Module be able to function unmanned after the manned mission ends is absolutely brilliant.

  • @jeffery7281
    @jeffery728129 күн бұрын

    Some points: ·Shenzhou is not just "larger", but actually being larger a lot. The exact diameter of Shenzhou's reentry module is 2,517mm, while Soyuz is 2,250mm. The habit volume of the module is 50% larger than Soyuz (6m3 vs 4m3), made it the largest reentry module before the "new gen" capsules like Orion and Dragon (all at ~9m3). ·We all know how the Komarov died because of one of the solar panels on the Soyuz 1 failed to extend and charging the batteries for parachute system. Well, this won't happened on Shenzhou - the Shenzhou's onboard battery itself could sustained the spacecraft for full power operation of 4 orbits, 6 hours. That means if the solar panel get stuck on Shenzhou, the crew will still have quite a lot of time to deal with it or just abort for emergency reentry. 4 orbits is enough to choose the downrange, so that they can return to the launch site instead of just landing in somewhere randomly in Pacific Ocean or Siberia... (and if they have to, the battery in the reentry module will be able to maintaining the satellite comms and emergency beacon for at least 24 hours. Leonov will be happy to hear that.) ·As for what happened on Shenzhou 2's parachute, rumors said it was because of the radio alttimeter somehow false-alarmed and cutted the chute before the capsule actually touched down. So as we know now, the Shenzhou's alttimeter still insisted to using gamma radiation source instead of simply radio to make detection, even that'll means there will be some dangerous and complex procedures after landing to sealed and removed the gamma emitter. ·There's 4 main engine nozzles behind Shenzhou's service module, as you can see. The service module's main propulsion system is double redundancy, with each pair being one of them. And, like the SPS of Apollo, all the valves and pipelines to the engines are double redundancy too. And even if both of them are all failed, the RCS thrusters will be the last redundancy, which is also double redundancy. ·CASC is always overstressed when it comes to reliability. Like, there's a insane requirement on the Long March 5, said the insulation layers must being able to keep the loaded LH2/LOX properllant for 24 hours after loading, in the 30°C+ hot summer of Hainan! That means ridiculously thick of foam layers that reduced the rocket's structure efficiency, everyone thinks that's crazy and completely unnecessary, untill two weeks ago when the Chang'e-6 just easily lifting off in the thunderstrom striking Wenchang. ·Also, since we come to redundancy, if you want to know, the computer system is triple hot redundancy in reentry module and double cold redundacy in orbit module. The computer system is based on MIL-1553 bus, if you're curious of why will China have MIL-1553 system bus, well, maybe you should search on "J-8II Peace Pearl".

  • @ThatOpalGuy

    @ThatOpalGuy

    29 күн бұрын

    10 inches...yeah, massive.

  • @saiboogu

    @saiboogu

    29 күн бұрын

    ​@@ThatOpalGuyIt is a significant increase in volume.

  • @jeffery7281

    @jeffery7281

    29 күн бұрын

    @@ThatOpalGuy You never flown on commercial jets right? That's also the difference between the width of B737 and A320.

  • @spinmaster4348

    @spinmaster4348

    29 күн бұрын

    Ever thought of “Space Shuttle” or “Arian 5” while pulling bull shit over the insulation of LM5? The later one is literally launching on the equator

  • @StillAliveAndKicking_

    @StillAliveAndKicking_

    29 күн бұрын

    @@ThatOpalGuyThat is a lot, take a look at the Soyuz interior, it is very cramped. 10” extra width means far more volume, far greater crew comfort.

  • @MattLitkeRacing
    @MattLitkeRacing29 күн бұрын

    My trip to Cape Canaveral is next week. I planned it last year just happens I might see the Starliner

  • @ThatOpalGuy

    @ThatOpalGuy

    29 күн бұрын

    good luck. dont bet on boeing being ready by then, sadly.

  • @MattLitkeRacing

    @MattLitkeRacing

    29 күн бұрын

    @@ThatOpalGuy at least I’ll see a Starlink launch lol

  • @andyonions7864

    @andyonions7864

    28 күн бұрын

    If it's Boeing, it ain't going...

  • @MattLitkeRacing

    @MattLitkeRacing

    28 күн бұрын

    @@andyonions7864 they take the saying that takeoffs are optional to heart

  • @Lew114
    @Lew11429 күн бұрын

    Thanks! Interesting and entertaining as always.

  • @blind8686
    @blind868612 күн бұрын

    I used to copy the math homework from classmates in high school. It’s a brilliant way to get a passing grade while remaining useless at math.

  • @normanlong2191
    @normanlong219129 күн бұрын

    Excellent Scott we dont get anywhere near enough info on the Chinese space programme so thank you !

  • @S1nwar
    @S1nwar29 күн бұрын

    can you make a video on why the boosters on chinese rockets are tilted ~10° outwards? thats gotta reduce the coaxial thrust quit a bit

  • @steveschunk5702

    @steveschunk5702

    29 күн бұрын

    @Sinwar, they try to point through the cg, so eccentric thrust doesn’t cause pinwheeling.

  • @romerobryan83

    @romerobryan83

    29 күн бұрын

    What’s co axial thrust

  • @bbbnuy3945

    @bbbnuy3945

    29 күн бұрын

    most all rockets cant their boosters inward. its not just a chinese thing

  • @MrGeforcerFX

    @MrGeforcerFX

    29 күн бұрын

    The smarter everyday video on vulcan covers the cannted nozzles on the boosters really well.

  • @ThatOpalGuy

    @ThatOpalGuy

    29 күн бұрын

    @@steveschunk5702 difficult, as the CoG changes, continuously, during the flight.

  • @paulmicks7097
    @paulmicks709718 күн бұрын

    Great topic , thank you Scott

  • @theradioweyr
    @theradioweyr28 күн бұрын

    Outstanding! I am sure that this "episode" had way more hours than your average one.

  • @trevortaylor5501
    @trevortaylor550129 күн бұрын

    Pretty sure the angara 5 is being prepared for human flight with a new Orel capsule being incorporated. The have pretty ambitious plans over the next 5 years.

  • @ronschlorff7089

    @ronschlorff7089

    27 күн бұрын

    I made a flying model rocket of that one, along with some other Soviet launch vehicles, have not launched it yet, but the Soyuz, and Vostok both fly great!! :D

  • @olasek7972

    @olasek7972

    26 күн бұрын

    Russians have always had such „ambitious” plans that by now they were supposed to have base on the Moon 😂. That guy Rogozin was always promising something spectacular.

  • @ronschlorff7089

    @ronschlorff7089

    26 күн бұрын

    @@olasek7972 Right, and old time NASA did too. We were supposed to have even Mars explorations and bases by the 1980's, but changing "world events" always get in the way of such "ambitious" plans. That's true, particularly in democracies, where our leadership changes often occur, back and forth, 180 degrees, every four years or so!! That makes it hard to plan "long term" projects!! ;D

  • @olasek7972

    @olasek7972

    25 күн бұрын

    @@ronschlorff7089 actually no, no NASA administrator ever engaged in such nonsensical boastful propaganda as Rogozin, with NASA, you could always check what was approved by Congress, what was funded and what projects were currently in the pipeline.

  • @Nielsblog
    @Nielsblog28 күн бұрын

    The orbital module being its own independent spacecraft seems like such an obvious idea in retrospect.

  • @stellarsub-orbital9922
    @stellarsub-orbital992228 күн бұрын

    Love the Juno footage! I dont have KSP, so its great that my favorite space game is getting some love.

  • @TreesRaccoonsAndPizza
    @TreesRaccoonsAndPizza29 күн бұрын

    Space always makes me feel better. Thanks Scott!

  • @ronschlorff7089

    @ronschlorff7089

    27 күн бұрын

    Yup, that's why we bought a really big house!! LOL ;D

  • @wowtim62
    @wowtim6229 күн бұрын

    Hey there why didn't you answer the question between the dog, monkey, or rabbit which was the Capt

  • @LLH7202

    @LLH7202

    29 күн бұрын

    I was going to ask that, too. It sounds like the start of a joke. "A monkey, a dog and a rabbit are launched into space..."

  • @user-li7ec3fg6h

    @user-li7ec3fg6h

    28 күн бұрын

    Well, that's obvious: it's known as "Follow the ... rabbit!".

  • @glencmac
    @glencmac29 күн бұрын

    GREAT POST!!! Learned a lot. Do you think we will ever see a Shenzhou docked at the ISS, or a Dragon at the Chinese Space Station?

  • @cacciatore9147

    @cacciatore9147

    29 күн бұрын

    Don’t forget Wolf Amendment of the US.

  • @roriegilligan8134

    @roriegilligan8134

    29 күн бұрын

    That's not a matter of technology, but diplomacy

  • @StillAliveAndKicking_

    @StillAliveAndKicking_

    29 күн бұрын

    No. The West has zero trust of China, so they won’t allow any Chinese taikonauts onto Western spacecraft.

  • @alexgood1056

    @alexgood1056

    28 күн бұрын

    это возможно только в чрезвычайных аварийных обстоятельствах как в фильме "Гравитация",когда дипломатия должна уступить ради спасения людей на орбите, так что лучше не надо.

  • @donjones4719
    @donjones471929 күн бұрын

    Shenzhou has those bulky packages in the descent module. Those contain survival supplies, same as Soyuz, right? Including a life raft? Is the orbital module still available for the crew on Soyuz or is it packed with cargo? The toilet is in there and the ascent/descent module is damned cramped. Do they always manage to make the quick 3 hour trip now?

  • @RJ-xy5rv
    @RJ-xy5rv28 күн бұрын

    Scott, not on topic but I have a question for you and anyone else with enough knowledge. Could spacex put receiver dish on every one of their satellites pointing out to space and create a lot of super large radio type Telescopes?

  • @waxeggoil3130
    @waxeggoil313029 күн бұрын

    Congratulations on better pronunciation of chinese. You're nearly there, Scott.

  • @killerkip1
    @killerkip129 күн бұрын

    It's neat to see the technological and human aspect to this vs the pure political aspect. It's neat seeing what humanity can do, regardless of the political climate.

  • @denslipped
    @denslipped28 күн бұрын

    The Fentyan space suit is a redesigned copy of the Orlan-M space suit, which has not been used on the ISS for a long time. Currently, space suits of the Orlan-MKS modification are used on the ISS - they are fully computerized and have a plastic sealing layer. They also have a nadir porthole on the helmet, which is now usually closed due to the use of hoods from American spacesuits with an American television system.

  • @zandvoort8616
    @zandvoort861629 күн бұрын

    Great channel!

  • @EricaCalman
    @EricaCalman29 күн бұрын

    It's almost like having literally 10x the GDP buys you some more engineering work hours.

  • @Andreas-gh6is

    @Andreas-gh6is

    29 күн бұрын

    It's not the size of the GDP but how you use it. For several decades Russia has spent too much of its GDP - or rather the GDP of the other states in the Soviet Union (without asking them of course) on this technology. And they are still far far ahead of China in most regards. The recent progress in Shenzhou are partly the result of Putin being Xi's little bitch ...

  • @DIREWOLFx75

    @DIREWOLFx75

    29 күн бұрын

    Eh, actually, China has "only" about 5 times as many STEM graduates per year as Russia. And Russia has by far the highest average quality STEM graduates in the world. Meanwhile, Russia also graduates twice as many STEM graduates per year as USA... With less than half the population. That's when you kinda realise there's an issue somewhere.

  • @Andreas-gh6is

    @Andreas-gh6is

    29 күн бұрын

    @@DIREWOLFx75 Russian STEM graduates suck by comparison with the rest of the world. But yeah, the US education system sucks bigger eggs. Also, the ultimate intelligence test for Russian STEM graduates is the question if they want to stay in this doomed country that may send them into battle at any time.

  • @EricaCalman

    @EricaCalman

    29 күн бұрын

    @@DIREWOLFx75 well idk about highest quality coming from Russia but they do have a good education system and more STEM graduates per capita. It’s a testament to those things that Russia has kept up at all but China the US are clearly ahead by merit of just throwing sheer resources at Spaceflight.

  • @andrewsuryali8540

    @andrewsuryali8540

    28 күн бұрын

    ​@@DIREWOLFx75 The Chinese education system is geared towards producing competent STEM workers, so while STEM graduate numbers are roughly equal to the US on a per-capita basis, the number of STEM workers is much higher than in either the US or Russia. These are the technicians and machinists and non-academic researchers who have vocational STEM training but no college degree. In China these people are absorbed by SoEs and trained up with on-the-job education. So you end up, for example, with a coal engineer who never went to any kind of university but holds a professorship in power plant engineering (rewarded by the Chinese Academy of Sciences) and publishes engineering papers three times a year from their work on the field. All the actual university graduates line up for internship with them.

  • @MarcoTedaldi
    @MarcoTedaldi29 күн бұрын

    Curious Marc has an awesome series where they restore and explain the sojus globe...

  • @scottmanley

    @scottmanley

    29 күн бұрын

    Yes they do, it was an amazing piece of hardware in the 1960's

  • @christopherlawley1842

    @christopherlawley1842

    29 күн бұрын

    still is

  • @Tod_oMal
    @Tod_oMal29 күн бұрын

    What is happening with Starliner? Would you like to make a video on that? Thanks.

  • @SOR-05
    @SOR-0528 күн бұрын

    I’ve always liked how all of the different space programs have such iconic looks to them.

  • @MoonWeasel23
    @MoonWeasel2329 күн бұрын

    I still love that the Chinese used freaking wood for their heat shields. Meanwhile on Orion…

  • @ThatOpalGuy

    @ThatOpalGuy

    29 күн бұрын

    they are making some satellites with wood as well.

  • @JacquesMartini

    @JacquesMartini

    29 күн бұрын

    K.I.S.S.!

  • @AAAAAA-tj1nq

    @AAAAAA-tj1nq

    29 күн бұрын

    @@ThatOpalGuy lol anti China bot

  • @2hotflavored666

    @2hotflavored666

    29 күн бұрын

    @@AAAAAA-tj1nq Lol pro China bot

  • @sweetybnz7482

    @sweetybnz7482

    29 күн бұрын

    And meanwhile on Starship uncontrolled re entry is how it's done.

  • @NOLNV1
    @NOLNV129 күн бұрын

    If it ends up with a record like Soyuz I will be thrilled, those old tubes have been sent up countless times

  • @morgansinclair6318
    @morgansinclair631825 күн бұрын

    The three module setup makes a lot of sense even if you have a fatter rocket to work with, as it saves mass by making it so you need a smaller volume and mass to reenter. There was a very similar setup to Soyuz and Shenzhou submitted by General Electric, the Apollo D-2. The big visual difference was the aerodynamic shroud remaining in place.

  • @LMichaelL65
    @LMichaelL6517 күн бұрын

    One thing I have noticed about Chinese launchers is the colour of the rocket plume. It seems to have a brownish colour, at least when it lifts off. I know this could just be dust from the ground being blown away, but I also notice it later in the flight as well. Does this have something with the type of fuel mix that they use, or is it just my imagination? I know, odd question, but ever since I first noticed it watching Chinese launches, it have been curious about it. Thanks!

  • @judet2992
    @judet299229 күн бұрын

    0:45 Just like the Soviets with the Voshkod based satellites but reversed!

  • @reis1185

    @reis1185

    28 күн бұрын

    Technology Transfer

  • @DeatheaterSirius
    @DeatheaterSirius29 күн бұрын

    I got chance to see shanzu1 shanzu5 and shanzu 7 capsules

  • @ThatOpalGuy

    @ThatOpalGuy

    29 күн бұрын

    that would be fun to see.

  • @diraziz396
    @diraziz39628 күн бұрын

    That picture of LC. Yang Leway holding UN & Chinese Stitched Flag is Very important. surprising even.

  • @soldiersvejk2053
    @soldiersvejk205329 күн бұрын

    8:37 Those names were the first generation Chinese astronauts. Most of them managed to fly crewed missions in the later years.

  • @MoritzvonSchweinitz
    @MoritzvonSchweinitz29 күн бұрын

    Such a pity that we can't all just get along in space, and cooperate. It's impressive what China managed to build up rather quickly. Imagine that, but with international cooperation!

  • @dewayneblue1834

    @dewayneblue1834

    29 күн бұрын

    Yes and no. "International cooperation" can also result in adding a lot of complexity and costs with no measurable return.

  • @hammerr

    @hammerr

    29 күн бұрын

    The reason they developed so fast and are banned from the space station is that they stole every bit of technology where they could

  • @moss550

    @moss550

    29 күн бұрын

    Most likely they wouldn't have came as far as they have if US didn't banned them. NASA programs are not known to be on time or on budget, and Galileo has shown ESA is more of a hindrance to their development.

  • @Ithirahad

    @Ithirahad

    29 күн бұрын

    International competition is part of the reason that Tiangong exists in the first place. Sometimes cooperation just results in a mess - "too many cooks" with all the cooks being national governments full of little factions with competing local interests... is very bad news.

  • @Freak80MC

    @Freak80MC

    29 күн бұрын

    I think human psychology is such that cooperation will always be less likely to give good results than good old competition. Humans naturally only innovate when in a competitive environment.

  • @denslipped
    @denslipped28 күн бұрын

    It's not "objectively better"))). Soyuz is a self-sufficient spacecraft. 1. The Soyuz manned spacecraft has been a means of delivery to the ISS for more than 20 years. It doesn't need a large orbital module to do this. A regular household compartment is sufficient, where cabinets and a toilet are located. Let me remind you that during the ASTP flight, four cosmonauts and astronauts were placed in the household compartment of the Soyuz. 2. The reason for the use of the Soyuz spacecraft so far in the latest modification of 2016 is that this spacecraft is the "rescue ship" of the ISS. 3. The descent vehicle of the Shenzhou spacecraft is completely copied from the Soyuz-T lander modification in scale. Yes, it turned out to be longer, but in the case of transport operations to the station, it does not matter, since the crew is delivered to the ISS today at a regular launch of about 3 hours. 4. The latest modification of Soyuz - MS (upgraded systems) has a fully digital system and interfaces, including a new remote control. As for the periscope, this "Vzor" system is left for additional security, which is not mentioned in this video. 5. As for solar electric panels that do not rotate on a gimbal, this is a vestige of the fact that this design has been used for more than half a century, but it is also a smaller weight of this design for the instrument and assembly compartment.

  • @crazylegssw
    @crazylegssw29 күн бұрын

    Whattup Scott! Love your stuff!

  • @KVP424
    @KVP42429 күн бұрын

    Single stick version of Long March 10 apparently will have it maiden flight in 2025 or 2026. So I assume they plan to test Mengzhou again when that rocket is ready.

  • @user-vo8zx2uj1p

    @user-vo8zx2uj1p

    29 күн бұрын

    Sure gotta be soon enough considering the developpement of all flight elements has ended at least 3 years ahead of schedule.

  • @Bystander333
    @Bystander33329 күн бұрын

    OMG, flag flapping in air at 12:27, even China are in on the conspiracy. (I'm kidding, don't respond to that) Didn't a UK KZreadr find Buran abandoned in a hangar a few years ago then get humiliatingly ejected from Russia causing a bit of a diplomatic issue?

  • @quattrocity9620
    @quattrocity962029 күн бұрын

    If it hadn't been for China's Shenzhou, I'd have been married a long time ago.

  • @camojoe83

    @camojoe83

    29 күн бұрын

    You should listen to the real version of that song.

  • @quattrocity9620

    @quattrocity9620

    29 күн бұрын

    @@camojoe83 I wasn't aware there was a non-real version

  • @camojoe83

    @camojoe83

    29 күн бұрын

    @@quattrocity9620 the one by the wet brain disco turkeys is not the real one. The real one is about someone that has to spend his life watching over a relative that was beaten by prison guards into a blind, broken man and sent home.

  • @quattrocity9620

    @quattrocity9620

    29 күн бұрын

    @@camojoe83 hmm never heard of the wet brain disco turkeys

  • @VictorZverovich

    @VictorZverovich

    29 күн бұрын

    Underrated comment

  • @charlieturner5831
    @charlieturner583127 күн бұрын

    Can you do a video reviewing the arkbird space plane from the Ace combat video game series?

  • @pixelkatten
    @pixelkatten26 күн бұрын

    That pendulum solution is... Unique! Very Uri Tuchman.

  • @Nowhereman10
    @Nowhereman1029 күн бұрын

    Without Russia's need for cash in the 1990s, it probably would've taken at least another ten years or so for China to develop something similar to Shenzhou in capability, and who knows how much longer for something like Tiangong.

  • @user-vo8zx2uj1p

    @user-vo8zx2uj1p

    29 күн бұрын

    The chinese wouldn't even have developped Tiangong if the U.S didn't decided the ban them from the iss, they just needed it because of that political move, they're perfectly capable, you know both the ussr and the chineses had a rather rough century, they were both respectively invaded and colonized, and they had bigger fish to fry like educating their population and resolving poverty, all the while they had to rebuilt their cities, farm, roads and life from millions of dead, the U.S that seized the opportunity to rule over a destroyed world after ww2 shouldn't even have been catched up on if it was an efficient country, however it is not and it's never been.

  • @saadisave

    @saadisave

    29 күн бұрын

    ​@@user-vo8zx2uj1p the USSR was colonized? It was the colonizer; The direct descendant of the Russian Empire, however vehemently it may have disputed it.

  • @user-vo8zx2uj1p

    @user-vo8zx2uj1p

    29 күн бұрын

    @@saadisave I said respectively, china was colonized, ussr was invaded by (unprovoqued) nazis who slaughtered 26 millions peoples, russians were the victims of the most brutal genocide by far in the whole history, yet all that interested our leaders are the genocide on the jews who did 20 millions victims less, i'm not going to argue over the number 6 millions killed is still an scandalous massacre, however it was way worse for the russians. What ussr managed to do while having lost so many people to the germans, and with the need to rebuilt, plus massive sanctions and isolation from the west, lack of ressources, and inevitables internal struggles due to the overall situation, was simply astonishing. Same deal with China, the ccp just had no reasons to be the winners of the war, they were fighting nationalists backed by americans, and japaneses who had colonized them after europeans, we can also add 3 warlords factions, all had vast armies and a technological advantage and more ressources, and the ccp simply couldn't rely on ussr in thoses time, yet they managed to assemble the majority of the population behind them, tired of the persecution of the armies of Chiang Kai-shek, and the humiliation of the invaders, that's the sole reason why the ccp could win, because they were favored by the people over the others... Ussr and china did expanded on territories that we can argue were originally not their own, but that's still their areas of influence nevertheless, culturally and historically speaking, it's still way more legitimate by a mile than any european country colonizing africa or some far away place... Plus considering what kind of hell was unleashed on both of thoses nations till only a few decades ago, it's rather hypocritical to ask/tell them anything now that they're reaching height that we don't want them to reach, particularly so when westerners countries are still delivering extremely unfair and brutal wars all over the place for oil and seizing different assets for specualtive purposes. I can talk however i want for what my country is doing i'm french and i do have a negative view on our colonisation, i'm not thinking i have to be sorry for the descendants of the peoples our ancestor killed however i do wish we would just leave them be, my gov don't seem to be agreeing with this. In this moment New Caledonia (is that the right name in english?) is revolting over a new set of law that was passed by our gov, they're mostly independantist and i'm agreeing with this, we have nothing legitimate to do on the other side of the planet.

  • @jamesmandahl444

    @jamesmandahl444

    29 күн бұрын

    @saadisave lol

  • @user-vo8zx2uj1p

    @user-vo8zx2uj1p

    29 күн бұрын

    @@saadisave My comment was instantly deleted amazing, it was a huge brick so i'm going to that again but i did said "respectively" ussr was invaded china was colonized.

  • @oneplot5132
    @oneplot513229 күн бұрын

    Thanks really great you spent time on Chinese space development, very neglected area ❤

  • @foxtraner

    @foxtraner

    27 күн бұрын

    A deliberate attempt to keep you think the west is still a space dominant player, until well the Chinese set up a moon base😢

  • @anthonyreid66
    @anthonyreid6628 күн бұрын

    any reason shenzhou orbital module not added to space station as an addition to living space before departure?

  • @shanemeyer9224
    @shanemeyer922429 күн бұрын

    Hay Scott what game was that where you had shown the craft in orbit? it looked kinda like kerbal but was way different

  • @jvsperoni

    @jvsperoni

    28 күн бұрын

    That's "Juno: New Origins"

  • @inemanja
    @inemanja28 күн бұрын

    People don't understand that when someone makes a copy for himself - he makes it better. That's why Buran was better than a shuttle, and that's also why Shenzhou is better than Soyuz.

  • @mduckernz

    @mduckernz

    28 күн бұрын

    Buran better? It didn’t fly though… how can that possibly be known?

  • @unownyoutuber9049

    @unownyoutuber9049

    27 күн бұрын

    @@mduckernz Well for one it did fly, fully unmanned which the Space Shuttle never could do. It had a higher payload capacity then the Shuttle, and it was safer because it didn't use Solids.

  • @paulsengupta971

    @paulsengupta971

    26 күн бұрын

    The TU-144 wasn't better than Concorde...

  • @swordsman1137

    @swordsman1137

    25 күн бұрын

    ​@@paulsengupta971 to be fair, Tu-144 is rushed and did first flight earlier than Concorde iirc

  • @dosmastrify
    @dosmastrify29 күн бұрын

    Just happened to check KZread and then this is posted a minute ago. Fancy!

  • @Nilguiri

    @Nilguiri

    29 күн бұрын

    What are the chances!?

  • @skyscall
    @skyscall26 күн бұрын

    I love your usage of Juno: New Origins for visuals!! It's a hugely under-appreciated game for what it's capable of. I feel like most people tend to "default" to the Kerbal games simply because of their popularity and never give newcomers like Juno a fair shot. It's a game that definitely lives "under the shadow" of KSP, but has a lot to offer.

  • @airworks7809
    @airworks780920 күн бұрын

    Appreciate the SimpleRockets2 footage

  • @VG_164
    @VG_16429 күн бұрын

    I sure hope it would be better than the 1960's era design it was based on 🤣

  • @Tiffany_Waiting
    @Tiffany_Waiting29 күн бұрын

    Which more important? Hmm... 1) Create Digital Control System 2) Avoid nearby villages with discarded boosters..

  • @KVP424

    @KVP424

    29 күн бұрын

    Well from what I gather those thing are more of a problem for inland Southern Launch site. Different department of their space program and all that…

  • @bobbagum
    @bobbagum28 күн бұрын

    how long can the orbit module stay in space? can they dock it to the station to create extra room on the station after the capsule has returned even temporarily, or even act like the progress to receive waste and re-entry

  • @rh9909

    @rh9909

    27 күн бұрын

    6Mo and not anymore(from SZ7); and not very good economically (have to spend money and weight optimizing long-term life support and connections for sub-adequate living space)

  • @SparrowHawkPilot
    @SparrowHawkPilot27 күн бұрын

    Scott what is the software you use to show us these orbital sims?

  • @limliangwei8354

    @limliangwei8354

    24 күн бұрын

    It is a space game "Juno New Origin"

  • @tonyennis1787
    @tonyennis178729 күн бұрын

    2:35 the Shuttle was such a boondoggle. We found the most expensive way to get payloads into space.

  • @ThatOpalGuy

    @ThatOpalGuy

    29 күн бұрын

    and yet without it we wouldnt have some of the things we have today. but, yeah, greed and mismanagement increase the cost of most every project.

  • @jaimeduncan6167

    @jaimeduncan6167

    29 күн бұрын

    It was also the most advanced spacecraft ever and had unique capabilities, but most of them were not used. I was a nice

  • @JacquesMartini

    @JacquesMartini

    29 күн бұрын

    too many cooks, too much swiss army knife.

  • @AAAAAA-tj1nq

    @AAAAAA-tj1nq

    29 күн бұрын

    @@ThatOpalGuy space shuttles was a failure. 2 of them went boom

  • @tonyennis1787

    @tonyennis1787

    29 күн бұрын

    @@AAAAAA-tj1nq What made them a failure wasn't the loss of two ships, it was that the idea was bad to begin with.

  • @jourdanjackson5365
    @jourdanjackson536527 күн бұрын

    Well duhhh. It's 30 years newer. What do you expect.

  • @nivitoachumi2991

    @nivitoachumi2991

    25 күн бұрын

    Well, Americans built rockets to land on the moon 60 years ago, they can't do it now.

  • @Conundrum191
    @Conundrum19129 күн бұрын

    Great video...to be honest I always assumed that Shenzhou was just a repurposed Soyuz design, and not it's own thing. Interesting to see while they are similar, one is actually not like the other.

  • @General12th
    @General12th28 күн бұрын

    Hi Scott! Land safe!

  • @edichkalimonoff878
    @edichkalimonoff87829 күн бұрын

    "Шеньджоу" не может быть хуже, т. к., во первых, он на 50 лет моложе, чем "Союз", а во вторых, Россия передала Китаю многие технологии "Союза". Странно, что кому-либо нужно что-то доказывать.

  • @aungaisum8654

    @aungaisum8654

    28 күн бұрын

    Russia didn't transfer any technologies to China. They learned it all by themselves. Russian not that kind at those time. Space station also 100% Chinese technologies.

  • @basilshauvet8761

    @basilshauvet8761

    27 күн бұрын

    ​​@@aungaisum8654dude, you don't even know what you're writing about. Chinese space station is an adoptation of Salyut

  • @maiaemmett2399
    @maiaemmett239929 күн бұрын

    I really appreciate that this video was well grounded and nuanced, especially with how it praised and appreciated China's ingenuity in Shenzhou's development. This was a real good video.

  • @paulmoffat9306
    @paulmoffat930627 күн бұрын

    ESA's 'Hermes' space plane, was a project started by MBB in Germany, back in the 90's and was to be launched on an Ariane 4 booster.

  • @paulsengupta971

    @paulsengupta971

    26 күн бұрын

    What happened to it?

  • @jeechun
    @jeechun28 күн бұрын

    Great vid!

  • @controlfreak1963
    @controlfreak196329 күн бұрын

    I kind of assumed that long ago. Russia's education system collapsed around 1985 so most of their engineers are retiring or dead. They've been outsourcing their technical people for decades and have been cruising on USSR tech to this day.

  • @MrSkipLim

    @MrSkipLim

    29 күн бұрын

    The Russian education system has remained exactly the same, look at various international tournaments, Olympiads and competitions in physics, mathematics and programming

  • @scottmanley

    @scottmanley

    29 күн бұрын

    Indeed, it's more that opportunities for the smart, well educated people are much better elsewhere.

  • @controlfreak1963

    @controlfreak1963

    29 күн бұрын

    @@MrSkipLim I worked as a control engineer for an american oil company in Russia about a decade ago before I retired. I learned from the locals that most of the technical schools collapsed in the 80's. The universities still exist for those that can afford them but the level of technical education dropped like a rock compared to the USSR days. The US also used to fund more technical education when I was younger than today so we are in something of a similar situation (although not as critical) as we outsourced to China over the last 30 years.

  • @user-dn5cz3pv3e
    @user-dn5cz3pv3e29 күн бұрын

    You forgot to say that not only the Chinese copied the Soviet Orlan spacesuit. The new American spacesuit Axiom Space is also an almost complete copy of the Soviet spacesuits Krechet and Orlan. The Krechet spacesuit was created in the second half of the 60s for the Soviet lunar program. The Orlan spacesuit is the same Krechet spacesuit, but slightly modified. Orlan spacesuits have been used since the first half of the 70s on Soviet and Russian space stations for spacewalks, and they are also used on the International Space Station. So astronauts from all over the world were able to experience them, study them, wear them, work in them, and see how much better they were than American spacesuits. There is also at least one Krechet spacesuit in one of the US space museums. This is not surprising, since after the collapse of the USSR many things and ideas flowed from it to the USA. The genius of the idea of ​​the Krechet and Orlan spacesuits is that they have a door in the back through which the astronaut simply enters this spacesuit, as if into a small house, or a small spaceship. An astronaut can put it on alone, without the help of other people (unlike American spacesuits), and very quickly. This brilliant idea of ​​Soviet inventors seems very simple at first glance, but no one could come up with this brilliant idea before them. It is probably simply impossible to come up with something better than this idea, so all other countries have no choice but to copy this brilliant idea. China has already done it and now the US is doing the same!

  • @m.a3914

    @m.a3914

    29 күн бұрын

    The space suits look like upgraded versions of the existing US space suits

  • @user-dn5cz3pv3e

    @user-dn5cz3pv3e

    29 күн бұрын

    @@m.a3914 No. The Axiom Space suit that NASA chose for its new lunar program has a door in the back - just like the Soviet Krechet and Orlan spacesuits. Apart from these spacesuits, no other spacesuit in the world had this. This is a brilliant idea, it’s impossible to think of anything better than it. Therefore, the Chinese simply copied the Soviet spacesuit. The Americans struggled for a long time, suffered for a long time, to invent something of their own, different from the Soviet ingenious spacesuit. But this is simply impossible. Therefore, they did not give a damn about their pride, and also simply copied the Soviet spacesuit :)

  • @m.a3914

    @m.a3914

    29 күн бұрын

    @@user-dn5cz3pv3e Axiom are fully US development, the best in the world!

  • @michaelreid2329
    @michaelreid232929 күн бұрын

    Looking at the difference of diameter of the Vulcan launcher compared to the Starliner capsule its surprising that neither the Russians nor Chinese just didn't increase their capsule diameter. Those things appear to be very squeezey.

  • @gordonmurray3153
    @gordonmurray315320 күн бұрын

    Here in rainy Livingston, Scotland🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿, I'm seeing pictures on my social media purporting to be: "The Chinese satellite "Longjiang-2" took a picture that shows the far side of the Moon, and behind it our beautiful planet, carrying life in the immense cosmic void". I'm having trouble fact checking whether or not this image is in fact genuine. Can you advise?

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