*UPDATE* We tried the quadruple pedals with 2 Duallists, and it worked surprisingly well! You can watch that video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hquhvNOIqKXYeqw.html

@nathanfernandes2360

2 жыл бұрын

What is ur opinion on the armory series I bought the same kit recently would really like a review of the kit and wat u think abt it

@The_riffologist

2 жыл бұрын

Where can i buy the second pedal because im looking for a new bass drum pedal(the dualist pedal)

@Stretchwiz

Жыл бұрын

Nice

@luisgil_9504

11 ай бұрын

Hi there, a good tip to use two DrumTech Double Bass pedal is to alternate legs like this: Right foot toes Left foot toes Right foot heel Left foot heel Its a much more natural movement

@user-td3du7jk2x

10 ай бұрын

For the Quad pedal, one of two things. One. You need to play a bit faster at Dragon Force like speed. Two. Slow down and let each pedal hit separately.

If this comment gets 1,000 likes I'll force Eric to also buy a triple pedal so we can play sextuple pedal.

@EMCproductions

2 жыл бұрын

If this reply gets 1,000,069 likes, we will do Octo-pedals.

@letsgobrandon6969

2 жыл бұрын

Bet to both of you

@reesecarlton

2 жыл бұрын

@@EMCproductions challenge accepted

@NeilABliss

2 жыл бұрын

A double and a triple......blast beat quintuplets!!

@motomike71

2 жыл бұрын

Will that help him play 69-lets?

Played "Hot for Teacher" in High School back in the day and had to use the dualist pedal to do the beginning. everyone was blown away, i just didn't have the heart to tell 'em 🤣

@justinsane7832

11 ай бұрын

@JimmyThomas-lf6yt i'm sure my dad may have a home video somewhere, but it being 15 years ago i doubt it now :(

@willytheriot8439

10 ай бұрын

😂

@randygreen007

8 ай бұрын

El Estepario Siberiano does this in his videos. The sound is amazing.

@ssgi4059

7 ай бұрын

Tell them what? That you’re a smart musician and got the result? I believe the masses don’t listen to music like musicians do. They don’t care how u got there but if it grooved and sounded good. Today there is so much Tech anyone can sound perfect. That’s one reason I have gone back to the old ways of recording where the musicians, tuned, practiced, then played the part.

@randomstuff508

2 ай бұрын

Why? Is it supposed to be bad that there are different ways to achieve the same result?

If you add the duallist mechanism to both the toe and heel of the drum-tec you can get quad hits on one pedal, then with 2 pedals you can get an octo-beat. What do you think?

@liamernst9626

2 жыл бұрын

Turn the pedal into bicycle pedals and run the chain to a wheel of bass drum mallets

@AtTheSourceStudios

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣 you guys got me fuckin dead with these contraption ideas 😂😂😂

@blacklightgamer97

2 жыл бұрын

I fucking LOLd at just thinking about it

@blacklightgamer97

2 жыл бұрын

If someone actually figures out how to play this and practices properly it’ll just sound like a single continuous deep toned beep

@0v_x0

2 жыл бұрын

@@blacklightgamer97 like a square wave playing at 60Hz, rumble bass and a sound like a dying subwoofer.

I think you're overlooking something here. They came out with a TRIPLE single pedal. That means it's now possible to get a sextuple double pedal going.

@empdisaster10

2 жыл бұрын

That is an awful idea. I love it

@darth_vyper

2 жыл бұрын

You son of a bitch......im in!

@Ambipie

Жыл бұрын

Position it right and you can do 12 stick lineup with two drums

The gock idea was actually pretty cool... maybe not with the gocks specifically, but the idea of having a different sound source that you can easily bring in fast bursts of with the left foot during fills and such. Probably not worth a few hundred dollars for the average drummer, but still really neat.

@devenkenichinyoo5745

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@motomike71

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like different beater heads on the same drum might be a good application too, if you weren't concerned with doing traditional double bass pedal but wanted different tone from the same drum.

@JeffUseekay

2 жыл бұрын

My first drum teacher had put a pedal next to his hi-hat pedal that he would activate with his heel (he'd slide his foot sideways to have the toes on the hi-hat pedal and the heel on the new pedal) Most the times he'd put a gock against that pedal, sometimes other random stuff. Can confirm it sounded great in a solo, and sounds like a somewhat cheap alternative

@bassedtaz

2 жыл бұрын

@@JeffUseekay I'm a bass player not a drummer really at all, but I like to bash around. I did exactly this with my first kit, except with the double kick slave. Everyone else on earth I've ever seen has slave inside hats, I simply put the slave outside and it allowed me to do the exact heel toe technique you described. Toe on hats, heel on kick slave. Cool to finally hear of someone else doing that.

@mal2ksc

2 жыл бұрын

Cowbell, handheld style. One beater to strike the rim, one to strike the arch. For this, raw speed doesn't matter a whole lot, merely being able to get the two basic sounds out of a cowbell _without actually picking it up_ is the whole point so you can either rapid-switch from bongos, or not switch at all. Then again the normal double-bass arrangement would work for this if you prefer, and there's no particular reason other than compactness and weight that you have to use the same cowbell. You could just hook one single pedal to the arch of a cowbell, the other to the rim of another cowbell, and put them on either side of the drums between your legs (if playing congas and bongos simultaneously).

Imagine how easy it would be to play messhugah- bleed with this beast set up

@idontcare_wtf

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think so because that song is not straight. The coordination training will be straight madness.

@kitsune630

2 жыл бұрын

With a double single pedal it would be insanely easy if you have the foot stamina (which, ironically, you need anyway to play bleed how it was intended)

@Wolfiecolada

2 жыл бұрын

there is a demo with the triple beater dualist pedal setup that dude pretty much does hertas quite easily

@firemetalhead5863

2 жыл бұрын

I was joking completely

@waynecusick7731

2 жыл бұрын

Not going to happen

12:30 ah yes, my favorite genre: Crab Metal

@Chris-sl1wh

2 жыл бұрын

WE NEED MORE BELL

I can’t believe companies that make this stuff haven’t gone out of business yet

Terry Bozzio has been doing this for years with a bunch of pedals playing heel on one and toe on another with both feet playing all sorts of complex claves and polyrhythms. This setup, I imagine with practice could deliver some very unique rythems though!

@crazymmajeeper

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same, I play my high hat with my left heel while kicking doubles and it adds a cool sounding element to an otherwise basic and bare bones beat.

@morbidmanmusic

10 ай бұрын

If your a drummer... quit till you learn to spell what you do...

Im not a drummer but seeing him try to figure it out was relatable as hell.

@EcksLacks

Жыл бұрын

This was like watching a monkey try to use a computer 😂

@theurbancowboys

Жыл бұрын

So facts lol I just heard a song an im like lemme see how they do this so now I get how hard it is

I actually have the drum-tec pedal. I got it after seeing a video for the dualist pedal. I never got used to it. I put it away and bought the conventional double pedal that is now on my kit

Maybe the legitimate hot for teacher intro is now possible?

*The colab we've all been waiting for*

It is so refreshing seeing you guys struggling like the rest of us would. Thank you

Day 1 of asking for a collab between EMCProductions and EMCDump

@someguyontheinternet2544

2 жыл бұрын

They look very similar, they should meet up in real life!!1!1!1!!

@jacobhanekamp2534

2 жыл бұрын

Omg the collab we need

@williamstenberg1220

2 жыл бұрын

Yea they do both have really good chops

@junkhunk521

Жыл бұрын

I think they should kiss while playing the flubs

@VA_BP-KN

Жыл бұрын

@@junkhunk521y e s

I've been looking at these pedals for some time, and I'm glad you decided to do a video on them. I knew I can count on you (a mainly millitary quad drummer) to NOT use triggers and actually show off the pedals fully and honestly. Thank you

@elansleazebaganno

2 жыл бұрын

Unlike Samus who despite being an amazing drummer, can't not use triggers

@jitzwa

2 жыл бұрын

@@elansleazebaganno he triggers his whole kit for the purpose of well produced covers. there are many videos of him playing without triggers, it's jut preference. plus, triggers aren't cheating in any way, this is such an old topic.

@elansleazebaganno

2 жыл бұрын

@@jitzwa I'm not saying it is cheating and I understand why he does it. I was just saying he does

@redrick8900

Жыл бұрын

@@jitzwa Triggers aren't cheating. They also aren't drumming.

How many bass pedals do you use?

@reesecarlton

2 жыл бұрын

However many I can fit

@Dualis58

2 жыл бұрын

Twelve.

@aftimsoyt

2 жыл бұрын

yes

@Deodorant

2 жыл бұрын

0, I‘m too broke

@adrianluna7553

2 жыл бұрын

1

yeah, Henker's drummer is insanely good with those pedals, tho he is using the discontinuated Giant Steps, they are like the dualist. it looks easy but that level of control needs a ton of practice to not sound like popcorn.

@komradenikolai

2 жыл бұрын

Dude I Love me some Henker. I have a similar setup with the duallists if you wanna check it out kzread.infoMKQWfcRDDMY?feature=share

Perfect for those gigs where you need to play death metal but very quietly and with no stage room 14:35 - sounds like the beginning of Hot For Teacher

12:49 As a drummer, I love this! But the recording engineer in me hears insane amounts of click bleed and I just can't unhear that

@ripterdusk4736

Жыл бұрын

what is the name of those things?

@didncozosksma4466

Жыл бұрын

@@ripterdusk4736 Gocks? I think.

@ripterdusk4736

Жыл бұрын

@@didncozosksma4466 I've searched them and I only found Glock 18 videos lol

Introducing the Lars Ulrich double bass cheat pedal.

So the spring on the right side of the Duelist is the return spring for the main hammer, BUT the spring on the left side adjusts the striking force for the second hammer so to make the hit louder you need to put more tension on the spring.

The heel toe method. This is how we learned to play fast on the bass pedal. There was no other way back in the day. You got it down really quickly. It took me weeks back when I was like 12

*Video 22* of Loopy Grandma asking Lil' Peanut to play Wipe Out by the Ventures!!! ... Great for another video using the kit!!! And I know you are very creative, so I expect something EPIC! Maybe use your Marimba for all the Guitar parts! 🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁

Quad-bass pedal is key for Machinegun Psytyle (and other genre switches)

@TrashRat45

2 жыл бұрын

@V. S. Werejester Camellia song called We could get more machinegun psystyle lol

"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. " - Dr. Ian Malcolm

This is rare seeing rdavidr's studio use TWO bass drums

I personally like the Axis double pedal because its driven by a bar instead of a chain and you can just barely push down on the pedal and you get almost the equiv. of a full on kick. Makes swivel-footing so much easier. You should def. look into it if you want to brush up on your double-kick moves!

@krusher74

2 жыл бұрын

That "bar" is referred to as direct drive.

So anyway, I started blasting

awsom vid man all the love to u two

never bad content. this channel is great

I have never had the chance to try a Drum Tech double pedal but after see this...no thanks! Kevin the creator of Duallist has some cool products.The triple pedal is a little overkill IMHO but the single/double is actually pretty awesome. I find it humorous when people think it's cheating. Using that pedal still requires mechanical control and timing. This has inspired me to crack out the Sidewinder pedal again and create a fun video. (Duallist cajon pedal). To my knowledge those never got released. Thanks again for the side by side comparison of these pedals.

My tibialis anterior muscle has encountered a fatal exception at e031854FFF. Sticking with the "bass-ics". Thank you for making this!!!

Eric, this was a great video. Thanks for sharing.

Innovation and expansion of the art! Nandi Bushell and Caleb drummer will scorching the earth with these before long!

I’ve got pretty decent at the heel toe method. I’d love to try that single double

Video 21 of commenting until EMC makes a front ensemble out of spocks

You guys are hilarious! Keep up the laughs!

Haven't watched an EMC video in a while-GREAT BEARD OF ODIN!!!

17:13: How I thought I was sounding when I first got double pedals 2:06: How I was sounding

12:50 that actually sounded kinda cool.

So funny hahahaha I was waiting for this review for at least 5 years though

this is something i need to try. i never used my heel as much as i should and ive been playing for over 15 years. this will be some great practice.

11:16 is basically how Will Calhoun uses the Dualist pedal, only he has it on a smaller, jazzy bass drum on the left side. So it doesn't sound very metal but it's a really cool effect kzread.info/dash/bejne/fI6BmJunn9yqlpc.html

@mal2ksc

2 жыл бұрын

It does seem to make more sense on the left side, although in this video it was ignored that the pedal can go back to single action just by flicking a lever with the heel.

I'm not a drum guy and maybe it's because I'm stoned. I found this video to be funny as shit. 03:15 when he puts both feet on the pedal lmao! 03:37 the bass sounds so soft it's hilarious! Make more videos like this.

@michaelgrahamwongacutemadness

10 ай бұрын

Like lars ulrich lol

YES! TWO OF THEM ASAP!!!

Excellent taste in drums and finishes

There was a band that played the East Coast circuit in the late 80s called Cody and that drummer had four kick drums that he played and then when they came back through Augusta the following year he reduced it to just three kick drums but holy crap I have no idea what they're doing now

@wrighteously

Жыл бұрын

That's so absurd hahaha

video 3 until EMC learns a show style drum feature stillllll goin

@EMCproductions

2 жыл бұрын

I mean...I already played all 18 cadences from Drumline the movie lol

@Mayhxmmmm

2 жыл бұрын

@@EMCproductions nahhhh... like something more traditional, Jackson state for example, that'll REALLY be somethin'

That is so goofy! It's like your heel is your left hand!!🤣🤣🤣

holy shit an actual use for the dualist pedal lol bravo

Should have tried odd time signatures with the triple bass pedal, might be Verry interesting

Fun fact: Quad pedals were first used in the 80s for power ballads.

@fclefjefff4041

2 жыл бұрын

It isn't necessary to blurt out a comment just for the sake of blurting out a comment

@MisterMxyzptlk1972

2 жыл бұрын

@@fclefjefff4041 why not, you just did. no rules on comments man..

@fclefjefff4041

2 жыл бұрын

Social media is fucking excruciating

I have two double bass pedals, one is on right kick 22”, one on the 18” kick, as a lefty. I also experimented with the original sonor dual twin pedals (the drum tec just copied that in a cheap version) and two of them is just melting the brain. One is just like learning to walk again but with one leg only. I can only describe like that.

That double pedal sounded like placing wood on minecraft

This is gonna sound random but I really appreciate seeing you guys hanging out with big over-ear protection. I don’t know how anyone is able to be anywhere near drums without any hearing protection, there’s kind of a stigma too. It just really made me happy seeing you both be so safe.

@balznack

10 ай бұрын

I remember when I thought it wouldn't be that bad then my ears were making a high pitch noise for months

I feel like if you’re going to be automating the double kick, you might as well just trigger it. At least with the DW you are in full control. Having said that, more than double(to me) is just flexing for the point of flexing and doesn’t make the song any better.

I taught myself how to do quad heal toes awhile ago. Fun to do when you need a quick blast of 4 bass beats.

Best bleed cover I’ve ever heard💯right on tempo too

For the heel Kick Drum it's actually eaiser to use without your shoe on. I know it's weird but it actually helps

@cuscoothriyas5163

2 жыл бұрын

Concur, you need a flexible shoe to hit it well

I did notice that when concentrating really hard on the weird techniques needed to operate the double pedals - both of you had your left foot sitting there doing nothing… I can kind of see an advantage of a double single pedal if it leaves your left foot free for something else - but I think the limiting factor is that we all have only one brain (except maybe Thomas Lang or Mike Mangini, who seem to have one for each limb). Seems to me that there isn’t much advantage if it needs too much technique to master. May as well leave out the hi-hat and use both feet?

@0v_x0

2 жыл бұрын

I rarely use double bass hits and if I do they are usually single beat or the end of a fill, so I just use the toe bounce technique with my right foot. If there is a left foot bass pedal I might switch to it for fills and then just move back to the hihat pedal. I mainly play funk blues hybrid kind of stuff, not metal though, so double bass comes up a lot less. It's nice having the option, but I don't think I could give up the hihat foot entirely. Maybe if the single-double pedals were either simpler or more diverse, like with the pedal that plays on every upbeat would get in the way a lot I think, and the heel toe pedal would require memorizing new techniques which might get confusing with traditional double bass technique, idk. I guess I see the potential, but IME having an optional, easily accessible second bass pedal near the hihat is the most appropriate for what I usually do, and otherwise just keep left foot on hat pedal. I find this stuff interesting though and wish I had the time and gear for practice.

+ 1 for the second Duelist

I am trying to master the double pedal! Now you guys had to do that. Lol fun video!

When I saw two grown men connected a Dualist pedal to PAIR OF JAM BLOCKS, I thought “hey , there’s two guys who need girlfriends…“ But, upon more thought, my conclusion is “there’s two guys who married their girlfriends are now trying to ‘escape their wives’ for an afternoon“… Yeah that tracks. Good job on the video… And escaping your wives for an afternoon. D

...add a box o'rocks to a ninja blender powered to a mic with a Peavy bass amp and you now have limitless aggression in which to stone everyone in your path of incongruity! No? Think again.

Man! Ur drums is my favorite color in drums ! Subscribed 👊😎

For me the breakthrough came on the heel toe technique when I realized that my ankle naturally made that motion throughout its path when I was riding a bicycle and cranking the pedals. I don't know why but it did help me realize that you just kind of let your heel fall down and then spring up onto your toe. I still kind of suck at it, can't sustain it for long bursts but Def can hit it as a quick one-two when I need to

The quad would sound great with a 6 string bass and dual 8 string guitars.

@tusharjamwal

2 жыл бұрын

We need MOAR

@jimilove7773

Жыл бұрын

Bass drum pedals have 1 beater, bass guitars have 4 strings, Guitars have 6 strings. PERIOD.

The beards/general hairiness frighten me. The drumming is awesome. Wish I could do what y'all do! Cool post.

Dual triple dualists, hexblasting

Literally thought of this idea in 2010 when I saw this baby come out😂😂😂 thank you for completing my childhood dream

Fun fact Morgan Sansous was my drum teacher so it's really nice to honnor him since he's the only one to have gone this fast

That is some of the sickest sh*t I've seen brotha!

Beard makes the vid 10x more awesome

I play drums, and love the channel. I actually play normal drums with my Heels and Toes, alternating back and forth to get faster without moving my legs too much. But that's because I have limited mobility in my legs, the key is to put the Pedals on low action so you don't push down as hard to make contact, all I focused on is getting that loudness by applying more force to that alternating pattern. It's more in the Ankles than the legs.

That pedal looks fun.

I just see your idea in a video commentary and now becomes reality lol 🤣😂 👍

Ok you had me at quad bass

The incarnation of chaos 😂

The Blast-Bossa was epic!

Oh hey! It's been awhile! Epic beard!

I just kept watching them play the blocks and all I could think was "MOAR COWBELL"

Woh! That’s the fricken kick drum from the movie Vice Versa!

He's invented the very polite blast beat.

the George Sheperd stick trick !!! nice

Its funny to see a drum line expert play a blast beat

The first pedal the heal looks like is always going to take inherently more work, since the heal leaver is has is around half the length of the normal pedal, and gives you less mechanical advantage on the main pedal. Around 2:55 you can even see that with the mallet heads move dramatically different lengths the difference in power available. My first impression is it might be best fit to doing accent beats in coordination with the main pedal, or giving a dampening option. Though even with just a little playing around it allow for faster beat, granted the more common duel pedal seems to have wider versatility and easier to achieve that.

Great video Eric

After watching this video, I never want to hear another kick drum ... ever.

It all felt very Hit for Teacher! 🤣

Greate project.

Sick 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

I know damn well this video got 1/10 in YT studio, literally is the best feeling in the world.

The first pedal you played is the same as the Sonor Giant Step Pedal. I saw Thomas Lang play one back in 2003, he was amazing with it. The patterns he played were truly insane and he was using it as his left pedal. So if you want to see a heal toe pedal played at expert levels, watch Thomas Lang. But then Thomas plays EVERYTHING at expert level.... Cheers

Isn't this how that Slayer guy got his dubble bass sound!!!! 😆😂🤣

Spent so much time figuring out if they could while not bothering to ask if they should.

Just sounds like a Harley idling in the end hahahah

I think it’d be VERY interesting to see the other petal. It’d probably be easier but I guess you’ll have to find out :D

DUDE.... You and David absolutely cracked me up 😅😆🤣.... KUDOS!!! I Have several different makes of "dbl" drum pedals, including the "Dualist," and their very early model to boot!! While it basically works the same as a later model, such as the one you guys were using, I still have mad respect for those who with what looks to be "easy grace" and ridiculous control on their feet while playing, oh say.... "HOT FOR TEACHER, drummers there are!!" There are several "mini" Alex VH's out there knocking it out of the park and quite seamlessly at that!! Like Avery "drummer" Molek, or Sina, or Meytal Cohen, or Yoyoka "drummer" Soma... even an all around musician, playing every instrument, and great at "goof" parodies, Leo Moracchioli!! (There are another couple hundred that I am aware of, please forgive me for not including them, just trying to save space here!!!!) OR............... .... Maybe because I am damn near sixty years old and have been playing for over fifty four years, I have lost my edge some... well, maybe more then some... !!! However, I find it ridiculously easy (now) to do flams, more "kick" influenced paradiddles and etc. with my early Dualist pedal, then with any other dbl, single or any combination there of, foot pedals!! I would love to get a DW 9000 Double pedal, just to see if that would help as well, they are supposed to be smoother than a babies... BUM, especially the newer "long" footboard models!! I just find it very difficult to raise $800.00 for one of them... perhaps in my next drumming life!??! ANYWAY, KEEP ON KEEPING ON BROTHER DRUMMER!!!!! PEACE !!!!!🤘🏼