Congrats on the win! Since this deck already plays Force of Will, all you need is 1x Forest and 1x Plains, and Voila! A 500$ Bant deck!

@aidankeyes5526

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao easy bant money

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Ok someone pitch this to Spunky.

@Civera89

2 жыл бұрын

My brain still cannot comprehend a $500 deck w/ 4x Mox Opal…

@spyderman312

2 жыл бұрын

@@Civera89 a $500 winning deck. Not $500 for the deck. Check out the 2 previous videos

@Civera89

2 жыл бұрын

@@spyderman312 that went right over my head. I’m with you now.

I think it's hilarious seeing Ravenform here. When the card was first spoiled, I was on the hype train. I was like "this thing is legacy playable in U or UB decks" and people were like "you have no idea what's legacy playable" and they were of course right, it didn't see any play; but here it is, months later.

@Holden_P

2 жыл бұрын

I was curious about seeing it in this list, what do you think makes it a good card here? (I’m asking genuinely considering I mostly play modern)

@davidmanahan2823

2 жыл бұрын

It's a single SB card that answers both Collector Ouphe and Null Rod in MonoU. These blue artifact decks have sometimes ran Resculpt in the SB for the same reason.

@Holden_P

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidmanahan2823 hey thanks!

@johnkater5276

2 жыл бұрын

@@Holden_P not to mention blowing up Ensnaring Bridge, Marit Lage, Trinisphere, Chalice, etc....

@robinsvensen1324

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think you’re not supposed to cut opals. They’re important T1 and t2. Petals are way worse vs grindy decks for instance.

I really appreciate you always having chapters to your videos

here's to pushing you to the top of the Al Gore Rhythm! Awesome content, hype video!

Wow, incredible league. It was like watching you play Legacy on easy mode, what an incredibly powerful deck! Now we just need Wizards to release all these artifacts with the old brown border treatment, maybe in The Brother's War.

Nice to see that 8 cast is getting more content made about it. I have been rocking this deck in paper for the last 3 months and am still learning new play patterns for it.

can we take a second to appreciate the sweet art on chandra's incinerator? So awesome.

This video was so hype! Cant wait for the next 500$ attempt! Pleaseeee go to 3 dress down maindeck! Roll that dice on matchups!! :P

Great VOD showcasing the power of this archetype. Would love to see it run back to perhaps get even more match-ups on camera. Entertaining and educational as always. Great work Brian, thanks for all the content.

I love the big brain play in the second match of the last game. Your opponent can't price of progress you if you have no lands! This is a very cool deck.

Switching to Legacy from Modern and looking for a home. Felt homeless in modern since the mox opal ban. Looking at this, MUD, Eldrazi Stompy. This looking the strongest! Thanks for the top notch content!

Been really enjoying your content since you left your old job (it just feels lighter and more real~ no clue how much that rings true for you). Also been LOVING the podcast with the boys. Huge fan

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Life is much smoother now haha. :)

Phil Gallagher called this the best post-ban deck and I think they're right. I have this built in paper and it's a house. Love seeing your work Brian

I would be scared playing a deck with 15 lands with 4 that sac themselves but the deck has plenty of mana

Holy cow a legacy deck I can actually afford

Great vid :)

You should play this deck more often. A deck without reserved list cards that can dumpster reserved list cards decks including dark bant always feel good.

At 54:00 you removed the Meltdown. I'm not 100% sure but it should be possible to get the Meltdown with Burning Wish. So it would be probably safer to just leave it in the graveyard. Great vid, as always.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Burning Wish only works from the sideboard. The Wish cycle functionally changed when "Removed from the game" became "Exile" circa Shards of Alara block. "Exile" is a game zone, thus not "outside the game."

Isn't Mishra's Bauble strictly better than Urza's (obviously assuming they have no shuffle effects, which was the case many times you made the decision)? Knowing their 8th card is strictly better than knowing a random card. It gives you the added information about what choices were/were not available to them before this turn. Edit: also Mishra's has the additional mode of choosing yourself

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Seeing a card they have now is usually better than seeing a card they’ll have soon.

This deck is sweet all the dinky blue and mud stuff is fun to see go off

Thanks for the great content. What do you think of the version with the Bridge artifact lands? Is it worth it to be so all-in and exposed to Karn/Null rod (i.e. faster Thoughtcasts)?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

No idea! I haven't tried it haha. You're probably losing to Null Rod anyway. If that version is markedly faster, it's worth exploring.

please do this 80 more times I will watch every second

Ok, I didn't know that if you announce a spell that gets reduced costs(Like emry) you basically lock in their cost, meaning you could sack things like lotus petal to play them at reduced cost. Good to know

Is leyline of anticipation a card that's ever on your radar for lists in legacy or vintage? Pitches to force(s) and you may be able to play some silly tricks with it in your opening hand. Becomes pretty dead if you don't draw it but is it worth a shout ever?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

I recorded a league with Flash Belcher in Legacy before. Leyline is also SB tech in Vintage Belcher vs Shops. I generally don't play decks "seriously" that would want this tech, so I haven't put a lot of work into it. But I have seen it.

Correct me if I'm not understanding this interaction, but at 13:35, can't you play shadow spear off the island, then declare thought monitor with 6 artifacts for affinity and then cast the monitor off of lotus petal? I believe that is the play if it is legal.

@OmneAurumNon

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's legal (he does it a bit later with emery). Not sure whether he thought about it or not, but I think he wanted to keep the monitor for force since he was winning anyway unless his opponent did something busted

Here for the algorithm 👌

In your first match, you played against the Pioneer and Creator of Modern Whir Prison! Prison Mike is a cool as hell dude, and he's the reason I'm playing a Jank ass version of Whir Prison in Modern right now! I was so excited to see his name, cuz he was gone for the LONGEST time. I wish he was streaming still, unless he changed his twitch. Also, this deck is DISGUSTING. I think if I get into Legacy, I want to play 8 Cast and Lands.

@dallan1944

2 жыл бұрын

Huge fan of sussurus as well

So many cards printed in the last couple of years in this deck

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

No reserved list cards at all!

hello mr magician, have you ever considered energy flux in bant? the last 500 buck challenge it seemed like there was some tension about when seeds should come down for fear of a rebuild, but i can't imagine a deck like this can play through energy flux very easily, and the mono-u version basically can't remove it. haven't seen the card outside vintage but watching hammer time try to play through kataki made me think

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

The problem with Energy Flux is that while it is better against 8-Cast specifically, it’s terrible against D&T, Stoneblade, Jeskai Rag, Lands, and other not-all-in Saga decks that cards like Seeds and Deed are great against.

@MrTheAnalrapistMD

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshNRoll that's true. if the matchup is common and problematic enough it may be worth playing two of three of deed, flux, and seeds. it seems like the meta share of 8-cast is pretty high compared to blade or other fair decks of the like, but you'd probably have a better sense of it than i would. i often like narrow and powerful sideboard cards in fair decks that have a lot of game against the field. thanks for the answer

In a tournament/ league setting, what's your opinion on brining a tier 1 deck vs something that you enjoy playing? do you bring a tier 1 deck that you know pretty well vs a lower tier deck that you know inside out?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Format familiarity is more important than raw power in legacy. All the decks are good.

@shakes2966

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshNRoll I didn't specifically mean legacy. Just tournaments in general

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

@@shakes2966 Deck familiarity is worth a lot, but sometimes formats have things that are so powerful that you need to just play the better deck. It will depend on the context. But knowing your deck is worth a lot.

I know this is supposed to be the close to optimal deck, but those torpor orbs in the sideboard are begging for at least a 'fun of' Phyrexian dreadnought. Nobody expects the phyrexian dreadnought fetch with urza's saga!

Hey Bryan. I am a big fan of your channel because I truly like to see a mix of tier 1 and tier 2 try their best in Magic Online. I Always root for the best streak possible, the thrill about a good record and good matches. But I have to say that I HATE when you spoiler us with the video title. Congrats for the run but I lose half of the fun knowing that you got the 5-0 because its written in the title. Anyway ty for the content we love it.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

I wrote a long response to this in another comment. TLDR: Undefeated videos perform better and growing the channel is more important than spoilers. Wish I could address both concerns, but I have to make that decision.

🏆

Engagement!!!

Why is it called 8-Cast and not 8-Thought? I definitely didn't understand the name until this video. You've tended to play against versions with Echo in other videos, so I had the strange thought the "8 cast" was "cast Echo plus the 7 cards you draw"? I know that doesn't make much sense, but I was hung up on the word "cast" being a magic word without thinking it's a card name, like 8-whack or 8-rack.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Thoughtcast is an old, established card. that's been played in decks like this for almost 20 years. Thought Monitor is the new hotness. Monitor is Thoughtcast 5-8, thus 8-Cast. I suppose if you don't have that historical perspective 8-Thought makes more sense. Legacy players love nostalgia.

@jbf81tb

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshNRoll Is the thing you didn't say that it used to be called 4-Cast? I understand the Monitor is the same effect, but the common thread is the word "thought", not "cast". If it used to be called 4-Cast, then I can understand upgrading the number without changing the word.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

@@jbf81tb No. People thought "we have 8 Thoughtcasts now" and named it. IDK. I wasn't there for that meeting. It's the name that stuck.

What is going on in match 1 where a bunch of the opponent's cards are exiled before you start?

@kennanjacobs5642

2 жыл бұрын

Serum Powder is why.

What does it say when (in game 1 of match 2) one has the opportunity to play what is effectively a 2 Mana 2/2 flyer that draws 2 cards, but instead opts to play Urza's Saga and pass the turn

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

It says that the X/X creatures will do more damage over time than the 2/2.

@DARKLIGHTNING7

2 жыл бұрын

Oh for sure it was the correct play; I was mostly trying to point out how busted that makes Urza's Saga look such a ridiculous card

32:30 You can play around Terminus by sacrificing Retrofitter Foundry to Sai.

@amros

2 жыл бұрын

Sai needs to artifacts. He does not know there is a terminus and sacrificing a creature is reducing the clock on assumptions.

at 28:15 you chose to get a bauble instead of a lotus petal. Did you purposely want the potential card over the ability to make a 7/7 with force back up? you had chalice on one so they cant swords and force protects from an ending. Even if you force first, the token and the uro trade and youre still way ahead I feel. Just curious if you thought of that as a play or not.

No Reserve List cards either!

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Woah! I didn't even notice that.

You know what would be cool, porting pauper affinity to legacy

Good Morning!

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Hello!

Leaving a comment cuz its free and ez 😎

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Hey that's good advice!

Hey Bryan, great video as usually, big fan of your channel. May I ask you about boarding out of retrofitter foundry against controls? My experience is that it is mainly against aggro and tempo decks but not so good against controls. So I always board it out.

@moncicak1111

2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that you kept it in 2nd round so I am interested why…

@koldodescalzo6794

2 жыл бұрын

Retrofitter foundry represents an endless stream of creatures, which lines up well against control's one for one answers and puts them under pressure to find exactly prismatic ending to kill the foundry itself or eventually lose the game

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's best against control decks. It's an endless stream of creatures that can tax their removal until they deal with the foundry itself. It's not hard for the game to go so long that you're making 2 creatures per turn. As a control player normally, that's the card I'm most worried about.

@moncicak1111

2 жыл бұрын

I am an idiot 🙂 I wrote Foundry but I meant Shadowspear, apologies..

This doesn’t look like UB Ninjas….

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

It it's 1/3 of UB Ninjas. (The U)

Man, this deck looks soo much fun. Im missing the chalice's and 3 force of negation to build it. But maybe that just needs to be the plan

@selkokieli843

2 жыл бұрын

no duals needed, is this a budget deck too?

When you realize Urza isn’t pushed enough for blue legacy artifacts :(

@davidmanahan2823

2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, Ragavan has warped the format such that the most impactful turns of the format are T1 and T2, and Urza is rarely (but sometimes!) relevant in the first couple of turns.

@coopervalentine21

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta love an ever changing meta game

YAS!!! Legacy Thot-Bots!!!

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

8 of ‘em!

Kappa Kannoneer new entry?

funny how you easily 5-0 when it's not for 500 bucks with bant :P

15:51

14:00 you could have cast thought monitor with one lotus petal, announce to cast monitor and then sacrifice petal to make blue.

I don’t think you’re not supposed to cut opals. They’re important T1 and t2. Petals are way worse vs grindy decks for instance. Nice league though. Love this deck. So fast out of the gates.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree with that statement. Opal is worse against grindy decks because it's a bad topdeck if you already have an Opal and a bad topdeck if they've ground you off metalcraft. The longer a game is likely to go, the fewer Opals I want. Lotus Petal is always +1 Artifact or +1 mana. The second Opal is frequently neither.

how come its called 8 cast?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

It’s named after Thoughtcast. With Thought Monitor you get 8 of that effect now.

So... Is Urza's Saga gonna get banned or not?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Doubt it. I think it’s appropriate for Legacy’s power level.

Big fan of the channel. Maybe there's some analytics reason you do it but it does kind of bum me out when you post that you're undefeated in the title. Kinda ruins the suspense you know? Plus the fact you do that for 5-0 runs sort of indirectly spoils other episodes where you don't go 5-0. Still excited to watch though!

@childeroland8507

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, still enjoy watching though.

@David-py9su

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

This conversation comes up every time I do it. I feel you. The way YT works, most people will scroll past the title and thumbnail for 1 second and you only have that 1 second to grab their attention out of a field of other thumbnails trying to do the same. Almost 90% of my views come from non-subscribers using the browse feature. Saying "UNDEFEATED!" gets that attention and earns their clicks SIGNIFICANTLY more than if I don't say it. Those browse feature clicks turn into views, subs, ad revenue, donation decks, patreon supporters, and all of the other things that keep this channel on the air. The average view duration of my daily, hour+ long videos is ~20 minutes. The vast majority of people don't even make it to the end. Getting a viewer for the first minute is a higher priority than keeping them until the last minute. I wish I could appropriately hype the video to bring in new viewers without spoiling for the entrenched viewers who watch from start to finish and enjoy the sweat. When forced to make that choice, I'm going to grow the channel every time. That ultimately benefits everyone the most because if this endeavor isn't moving forward I'll have to stop doing it entirely. I'm not a full-time creator or pro Magic player. I do this in my free time after doing my day job. It has to continue to be worth the hours I put into it. I'm sure we can all agree that an occasionally-spoiled ending is better than no new content. Also on the more high-minded artistic side: I make these videos to entertain people while they get better at Magic. Winning and losing are (usually) not a significant aspect of my content. I hope folks can enjoy the plays, laugh at the jokes, and learn something about the deck/format even if they know the outcome. Update edit: This video is going strong at #2 among my recent uploads, trailing just behind absolute banger Teferi Vacation. This will easily break 20K views within a week. Most of my videos settle around 10K. It is a reliable and significant analytics boost to hype the trophy run. 2nd Update 3 hours later: This is now firmly #1 among recent releases.

@EricTann

2 жыл бұрын

@@BoshNRoll Fair play! I understand the analytics and channel growth has to come first

@christiansmith5047

2 жыл бұрын

I like the flex title tbh.

YoU sPoIlEd ThE 5-O!!! Love your content, I watch wether you 5-0 or nah

Retrofitter makes me want to vomit

well.. its not bant

I continue to dislike urza's saga as a card, lands should not be producing 3 for 1s. I worry that if ravagan eats the ban he deserves, that this card will be truly dominant. But maybe I'm still alone in my dislike of this card.

Bauble as crusade... A card we can no longer believe exist because wokeness has gone to far.

This makes me glad I'm not playing Magic anymore. Because to me this deck list looks like absolute trash, and if I ever lost a Legacy match to this deck I would never be able to play another game again.

@nathreetimesnineequalstwen7172

Жыл бұрын

What?