Was just about to buy an external mic and thought "what if I can use my h1n for that", let's search on youtube! Thanks a lot for this vid!

Thank you so much for this video and the thorough straight-to-the-point explanation. Truly grateful! I've wasted hours watching meaningless intros and unnecessary fillers just for them to get to the point.

thanks for the tip.... i use the H1n and have it has great sound quality and is easy to work with

This is incredibly helpful. I was immediately able to get better audio from the Zoom H1N for my Sony A7III.

@bollywoodbeauties8130

2 жыл бұрын

can you tell me the settings how did you connect with sony model because mine doenst work after connecting sony is using the cam min not the zoom mic

Thank you! The calibration steps is very useful!

Thank you for this awesome tutorial. 😊 I am planning to buy the Zoom H1N for recording my DJ mixes, music production etc, but I also wondered if I could use it on my DSLR as well. Thanks. 😊

I use the H1n for all my vids. I love this tool! Such great quality! For not a big price. Great vid man!

@IsheetaYadav

5 жыл бұрын

Luke Learns hey can you tell me the gear you use to connect it to the dslr

Thank you for this video! I was going to buy a Rode for my camera but since watching this video, i will use my H1N which i already have!

@kaysee7219

3 жыл бұрын

I was going to do the exact same thing.

tone playing?! AWESOME!!! Thnx

thank you, very clear instructions

Great video. Thanks. Was nice also to add links for the mount itself..

Thanks for this very useful and informative video.

Again, great info!!! Many thanks!

Thank you so much for this video...

Thanks a lot man..really helpful. Just one query, do one need to do this calibration whenever the camera or recorder is switched on or is this needs to be done just once and the settings will remain same unless changed manually. Thanks

This is a very helpful video and it works beautifully. The only down side is the Zoom drinks up batteries like James Bond gulps down martinis!

Cheers for the advice on setting the levels: if I didn't watch this I would have just 'plugged' and 'played'.

Excellent video, especially for non -tech savvy people like me. I recently bought the Zoom H1N and I have been using a Boya BY-M1 mic with my Nikon D5300. I want to connect the mic with the Zoom H1N and then connect the Zoom H1N to my camera, so that I have 2 audio files. 1. Which cable do I need? TRS to TRRS or some other one? 2. Please give some advice regarding an inexpensive lav mic, which is similar in quality and price as Boya BY m1, because the part of Boya BY-M1 with the battery makes it really fragile. Thank you very much for your time and effort.

You're so Awesome!

do you have audio sample? when you use this on your camera?

Great video! Thanks!

Gutes Tutorial

Great video Julian, thanks! Any idea how this setup goes on a gimbal??

Do you have an audio sample with the final setup??? I would like to hear it

Thank you for the tip. you could also provided the test audio sample with same setup on the video. hope its better than camera audio.

@JulianKrause

6 жыл бұрын

Dang, totally forgot about that. But you´re right, in most cases it will sound considerably better than the in-camera microphones. You also get a true stereo recording, which not every camera provides. Additionally the usability is higher, because you do not have to dive into menus to change your audio gain. And the limiter on the H1n prevents clipping, which is a feature you will hardly find on any camera. So, I think besides the upgrade in audio quality there are quite a few more reasons you might use the H1n on top of a camera. Thank you for your input!

@wcsdiaries

3 жыл бұрын

@@JulianKrause how do you mount it to camera without having the microphone record evrey little soud of you touching the camera?

Great videos on the Zoom H1n but you forgot to mention 1 important thing I believe. There are 2 ways of recording when connecting the H1n to a camera. You can simply use the H1n as a mic that feeds directly to the camera or you can also press record on the H1n and get a redundant recording to the H1n SD card in addition to the recording in the camera.

@jweatherly26

3 жыл бұрын

Have you tried both, I am considering getting an H1n and wondering if the line out has the same quality as the recorded audio (obviously the camera becomes the recorder at that point) but I am just curious if the line out is the same quality as the internal recording.

@ClassicCyclingCC

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jeremy. This is my take on the H1n after using 1 for about 6 months. It is a very versatile and easy to use digital recorder but I find it extremely sensitive to any surrounding noise like wind, white noise, or any shake or movement. The recording on the camera coming from the line out of the H1n is fine but I think that the internal recording from the H1n SD card sounds better. However, I also use a Rode Wireless Go that I connect to my camera and personally the camera recording from the Rode sounds better. It is cleaner and requires less processing in post than the recording from the H1n. 1 set up I haven’t tried yet is connecting the Rode Wireless receiver to the line in of the H1n and then connecting the line out of the H1n to the camera and see what that sounds like. My next experiment.

@justinzaff

2 жыл бұрын

@@ClassicCyclingCC how did your experiment go ?

@ClassicCyclingCC

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Rope Runner. Worked just fine but the H1n is not a great camera mic. I get much better sound with my Rode wireless. Cheers

@justinzaff

2 жыл бұрын

@@ClassicCyclingCC I might sell mine then and just use my Rode , thank you for the feedback

Hi Julian. May I firstly congratulate you on the quality of your videos which have been very useful to an inexperienced sound person. My question is could you use the H1 (or higher zoom models) as a live streaming mic which connects directly to a laptop? I'm looking to improve the audio on my KZread videos but want a flexible solution where I can record sound files directly for voice overs or out and about through a lav mic as well as hopefully using it as an external microphone on my laptop for live stream Q and A sessions with OBS Studio. So basically, could I use a TRS to TRS lead from the Zoom H1 output to the microphone input on my laptop for this purpose?

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Glad you like my videos!!! If you only want to have a mic to plug straight into your PC for live streaming, I would recommend something like the Samson Q2u. In my opinion, this will give you an even better audio quality than the H1n. But if you like the versatility of the H1n and want to connect a lavalier, it is still a good choice. And yes, you can use the H1n to live stream. You can simply connect it to the PC via USB and you can use it as an audio interface. So, the sound of the H1n could be used as a mic in OBS.

@sirobb

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the reply. That was exactly the information I needed and good luck with your channel.

Hi, Julian! Thank you for the video! Very useful! I'm using the Magic Lantern, do you know if it changes something for the volume calibration? I know that Magic Lantern allows me to use the original camera mic in one channel and the output signal from external mic in other. Instead of calibration by -6db, do you know if would be a good idea to compare both sides of the signal and uses it as reference?

@mingmarmingmar2342

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/qHtq08dmetbIkcY.html

Thank you

Julian, while this does work fine and thanks for the info about getting a -6dB tone, there is one problem from the Zoom into my camera. The output from the Zoom headphone is noisy. So you get the mic noise on the input and the noisy output from the Zoom itself which makes for fairly noisy stereo recordings. Sorry, I know this is a fairly old video now, but I suspect some kind of impedance adapter might help between the recorder output and the camera input to try and reduce this noise.

@Dipuzon

2 жыл бұрын

Ian, can you please tell me how i should set up the h1n for best quality possible? thank you!

@iancraig

2 жыл бұрын

I’m working away from home at the moment Emil and it would be easier if I had the H1n with me. I’ll come back to you next week.

@argreg04

2 жыл бұрын

Any solution to this, Ian?

@iancraig

2 жыл бұрын

I never had a go with it Greg. Mainly because I don’t use it this way. My guess is that it’s just an electrical mismatch with my camera. To be honest, even using a headphone into the Zoom is noisy. It does tend to hiss. It’s on the output because that hiss isn’t on the recordings. Just the output so it’s coming from the headphone amp section.

@argreg04

2 жыл бұрын

@@iancraig Thanks, Ian. This is very helpful. I was hoping to use the H1n on-camera for family and ambience outdoor shots, but I am experiencing the same issues.

Vielen Dank!

Hi sir, can it work with smartphone as well? Thank you

Thanks for your video! I'm trying to figure out how to apply this on the older version, the zoom H1, but I guess it's not possible?

@T_Ezzat

4 жыл бұрын

there in no -6 tone in zoom h1 .. but you can make a -6 tone wave file in premiere pro and copy the file to zoom h1 and play the audio file to calibrate the sound Between the sound recorder and the camera

Hi, thx eversomuch for the really helpful tut, my only problem left is now, I can´t find any software (if possible freeware), which would help me detect, how many db my soundfile has. Any advise please?

@amSeehafen

5 жыл бұрын

Oh, just found it on your video, you used DaVinci Resolve, so thank you again, now I should be equipped with every info I needed.

Thanks for your video. Quick question: When you record the -6dB signal, at which level should your gain be? 0? above 5.5 (according to your other video about the H1n's gain levels)? Does it matter at all? In your video you're around 8.

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Daniel, the gain level does not matter. Regardless what you set your gain to the tone will always be at -6dB.

@DCifuentesJ

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. The H1n is definitely an awesome device. I'd also like to thanks you for your videos, I've learned so much from them. Thanks for your time.

Hello! My Panasonic G7 doesn't allow audio level reduction below -12db and as a result there is a lot of hiss / high noise floor. Is a line-to-mic attenuator cable the only solution? Thanks!

If you have a camera with no Mic in can you till use the Zoom and then match the audio with the video recording. I have an Olympus E-M10 mark III I HGuess the best thing is to get a better camera?

buen dia, disculpa como se llama el soporte que utilizas para poner el zoom h1n en la zapata fria de la camara

Would not the output line signal be too strong for a dslr mic input level through a normal trs cable without attenuation ??

Very nice video, can you send me the link of the support rode please? thanks

If I connect an external microphone to the zoom h1n (with everything else exactly the same as you showed), would playing the test tune make any sense?

i tried it yesterday on my lumix g9, it works, but somehow i had a strong noise background does that has to do with the top dial standing to high on the zoom h1n? how to find the best settings

On my DSLR Canon 5D mark IV i use a Rode video micro external microphone (50 euro). If I switch to this one or TASCAM DR_40X i can get a huge difference of audio sound during the filming ?

Do you have any hissing or humming when using the zoom h1n’s microphone? I notice when I use it, there’s quite a large humming noise, but when I use a lav there’s no humming noise. Thanks.

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Christopher, I have not experienced any hissing or humming with my H1n. It might be a possibility that this noise is coming from the image stabilizer on your lens. Turn it off and see if this eliminates the noise.

Do you get better audio from this or a Rode mic??

What about this product which is more natural to the h1n Movo SMM5-B Universal Microphone and Portable Recorder Shock Mount - Fits the Zoom H1n, H2n, H4n, H5, H6, Tascam DR-40x, DR-05x, DR-07x and others with a 1/4" Mounting Screw

Thanks man, I was just wondering if I can connect this recorder to camer before I buy it.

is Zoom H1 compatible with lumix g7?

so after calibrating the audio level, it's just plug and play to use it as a mic?

Hy Thanks for the Video, i cant find the Schockmount you use on this Video?? Do you have link for me...i am from Germany....Best Regards...

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, die Schockmount ist die hier: www.rode.com/accessories/sm3 Ich glaube, dass die nicht mehr hergestellt wird. Vielleicht mal auf ebay oder kleinanzeigen gucken ob du da was gebrauchtes findest.

I didn't understand the part where you set the "tone playing" option. What exactly is it for?

Noob question but does this eliminate having to sync audio and video in the video editor afterwards? Thanks

@aulacordia

6 ай бұрын

Exact. It will no longer be necessary to synchronize the audio. By connecting the Zoom directly to the camera, you are using it as if it were an external microphone. Zoom audio replaces the camera audio track.

Do you here lens auto focus with this microphone?

Hi, I have the Zoom H1. Can this be used with an iPhone for video recordings instead of a lavalier mic? Or would you recommend using both, with the H1 as an interface. I know the H5 can be used as an interface, but can the H1 do the same thing? Thanks!

@MrBrandonLau

10 ай бұрын

H1 can be connect by usb cable and usb lightning camera adapter. And yes it can be used as audio interface. If you want to use it wirelessly you can record the audio and then sync it manually.

What patch cable is right for Zoom H1 connecting directly to Camera as an external mic??? TRS patch cable or TRRS??? No one tells you the right cable to use. I want to connect Zoom H1 directly to my Vixia 800 camcorder as an external mic.

When i click the stop button as well as the play button it just starts recording?

newbie question it seems like the sound from the mic is very soft when I play it on my computer I don't have an editing software yet but as someone mentioned down below volume 64 is -6 on a canon 80D. If I was understanding correctly I just need to hook it to line out on the zoom mic on the camera, do your steps lower volume in on the camera set it one up from the last setting, and set it to the zoom volume to 64 of hit stop button on the zoom and record on the camera yes?

@JulianKrause

4 жыл бұрын

That's correct. After that you have to set your gain with the dial, so that the levels on the H1n hit about -12 dB. Then it should sound pretty good. If you want to go louder you can turn in the limiter and set your gain dial on the H1n so that your levels hit about -6 dB. Cheers!

@cassiekrebs8012

4 жыл бұрын

@@JulianKrause great thank you

Apologies if this is a silly question, but does this mean you don't need to make a loud sound at the start to help you sync up the audio to the visuals after - I guess I'm asking, is the audio recorded separately or it is connected to the visual output?

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, that's not a silly question! To answer it: Yes, you do not have to clap or anything like that anymore. The audio of the H1n is going trough the cable directly into the camera and is recorded simultaniously with the video. So, the audio is already in the video file and perfectly synced. :)

@muscleandhate

5 жыл бұрын

@@JulianKrause Thank you very much Julian! :)

@dragosionel9487

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the question but do have to press record on the h1n simultaneously with the rec on the camera or is it enough for it to be just switched on? So when you download the video from the camera the video will have the sound from the h1n synced already?

Hi Julian, could you please explain which cable I would need for this setup? Thanks!

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

This depends on your camera. Most DSLRs and mirrorless cameras have a 3.5mm mic input. Then you would need a 3.5mm to 3.5mm stereo cable to connect the H1n to your camera. I also show this cable in the video.

@scroobiuspip1

5 жыл бұрын

@@JulianKrause thank you, much appreciated

What audio setting for sony a6400

I try to connect the zoom but there are hissing sound that pretty disturbing. Any suggestion? I set my gain on 5

For my Nikon D5300... the volume in zoom should be 90/92 and gain on zoom should be 7-8. All these settings are perfect for Boya BY-M1 mic. You are most welcome.

hy i m french i need to the reference of the device rode to put the zoom H1under a camera

When you record do you also have to hit the record button on the zoom or does the camera just automatically transfer the sound?

@RafaelJaques

4 жыл бұрын

It will do automatically. Because H1n is constantly sending signal over the audio output.

@jjthapyro4130

2 жыл бұрын

@@RafaelJaques Does the zoom need an sd card or just the camera's sd card is fine?

@RafaelJaques

2 жыл бұрын

@@jjthapyro4130 I believe that you don't need the SD card on the recorder. You may use it as a microphone instead of recording device.

@jjthapyro4130

2 жыл бұрын

@@RafaelJaques Thanks! 👍

Can someone tell me, will this pick up the af noise of the lens? Thanks

please do for sony models

how's the sound quality difference?

Il y a compression audio par le boitier en MP4 il me semble ?

May I ask If I plug in an external shotgun mic into H1n for recording purpose (without using any cameras ) . Can I still use it`s Low cut filter , limiter functions? Thanks! you

@JulianKrause

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, all the options you can set for the internal mics works for externally connected mics as well.

I see this is an old video but if some1 can answer. For no talk vidoes in the woods chopping woods and making food. Is Zoom h1n better than the New Wireless Dji Mic Kit coming out soon? I use a Canon 200d/sl2

The H1n ships with two sets of stereo mini cables. One for Fuji Sony and Panasonic etc. and the other for Canon and Nikon. Can you explain the difference between the cables?

@card-joker5301

Жыл бұрын

I'm also interested in the answer to that

Hi, thanks for the tutorial. I followed everything but the audio I then recorded was very quiet, peaking at around -45. I can Sorry, I'm a complete beginner so - is this normal? Should I just then change the volume or something within Premiere? I recorded two people speaking. Also - why is sound in minus Db when recording anyway? Many thanks!

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, I guess the audio is so low, because you did not turn the gain (rotary knob on top of H1n) to a proper value. Please watch my beginner's guide, there I explain how to record audio correctly: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKim0Kyihamzk9Y.html If you have already recorded something and you have to use the recording, you will have to amplify the recording in premiere. Of course, the next time you should record your audio with proper levels to begin with :) The dB scale is negative, because there is a maximum level how loud audio can get (0dBFS). You always have to stay below that level, and because of that the dBs are negative.

@nickn7939

3 ай бұрын

All I did was set the H1n to auto level off and use the gain to check the max db of your audio source before recording. He was saying make sure it does not exceed -6db, but also not so low it doesn't pick up any audio. The other fiddling about is not necessary. You can just plug it in and it works. If your audio source is too loud or quiet, then adjust recording level in canon's settings. For reference my recording level doing a vlog indoors was set to -10db and my gain on the nob was around 7.

Where did you get that mic stand holder!!!!!! I need one badly!

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

It is the original Rode SM3. I think it is discontinued. Maybe you can find one used. Cheers!

Can someone put a link to the cable please preferably UK Amazon

Do you have to press record on both? Or? Does it automatically record for your camera?

@pratiktalwar

4 жыл бұрын

You don't have to press record. That's the best part!

What you call that cable ?? Cable name ?

Do we really need a Separate Micro SD card for the recorder even if we connect to the camera?

@VistasdelMar2008

4 жыл бұрын

No. But having the card and using the record button will create a higher quality version of the audio that you can use in post. Also the H1 N comes equipped with a tone recording to easily sync the two if you edit on software that does not include auto sync.

Can I do the same thing using the Zoom H5?

hey julian, is it can be simultaneously from pre amp camera sound if already successful connect from zoom h1n to camera? so we don’t need press record button on zoom h1n to hear the sound. we can hear the sound from the video files. what do think? very nice work btw! keep it up! thanks

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, if I understand you correctly, you want to know if you have to press the record button on the recorder to record audio with the camera. Not necessarily. As soon as you connect the H1n to the camera and turn on the H1n the audio of the H1n is recorded by the camera. If you hit record on the H1n you would also record the sound on the H1n, but that's not really necessary.

Gr8

If I was to then plug a lav mic into this, would it still work fine?

@LauraBorjaHomeLoanExpert

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, that works

Just b4 some days I got my Zoom h1n handy recorder but didn't get that cable... plz let me know which cable should I use to connect to my canon 77d..

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, any 3.5mm to 3.5mm male cable will work. I recommend something like this: www.amazon.com/Valley-Enterprises%C2%AE-3-5mm-Right-Angle/dp/B004LGNB0A/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1537976718&sr=8-3&keywords=3.5mm+cable+6+inch

@rajendrabag

5 жыл бұрын

@@JulianKrause Thank you for ur reply..

So do you have to set it up like this with your camera every time that you use it?

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

No, you can simply memorise the volume settings on the camera and H1n and this way you can simply recall the settings. So, you only have to do this procedure once. Cheers!

whenever i'm talking and there is no background music playing i hear this static white noise. but when i hear other people in the videos who advertise this microphone i don't hear the static white noise. what am i doing wrong. i've tried every combination on setting i can think of and just can't et it right. do i just have my volume set too high and that is a normal side effect of it?

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, noise can have many sources. The limiter for example creates some noise on the H1n. So if you don't need it, turn it off. To get the cleanest sound try to get the H1n as close to your audio source as possible. As small amount of noise is usually pretty normal with the H1n.

Does this method make use of the H1n's preamp or are we still stuck with our inferior Camera preamps?

@Emuspaul

5 күн бұрын

Good question. Why bother to input to the camera if it is just going to use the camera's preamp....

Can you post the name of the RODE mic holder with cold shoe ? Thanks !

@reavu4742

2 ай бұрын

Did you find it?

Can you also plug in headphones to the h1n to monitor?

@etnografiadaroda7515

4 жыл бұрын

same doubt here

@renanbertho5608

4 жыл бұрын

I got this option by using a trr split cable. So one track goes go the earphone for monitor and another one goes to the camera. Only thing is that will be a mono track on your camera.

@renanbertho5608

4 жыл бұрын

That's the cable I used: www.amazon.co.uk/Splitter-Sockets-Plated-iPhone-Moulded/dp/B005ZPIXWW/ref=asc_df_B005ZPIXWW/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=294797661583&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3714603779779916773&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20479&hvtargid=pla-785807961306&psc=1

so do we have to press rec button zoom h1 too?? or just the camera? will it sync ?

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

No need to press the rec button. If you connect the H1n to your camera the audio will be directly recorded in the camera with the video.

@ZEALFILMSMATRIX

5 жыл бұрын

@@JulianKrause thank you man ! you really helped me a lot .great vid !

Can I use Tascam DR05 the old version with camera as Zoom H1n?

@JulianKrause

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Tascam DR05 has a headphone output which you can use to feed audio into your camera, just like the H1n.

@habibullahsamander2798

3 жыл бұрын

@@JulianKrause Thanks for your answer. Is the audio of Tascam DR05 synced with camera or it should be synced in video editor? Can I use Tascam DR05 as my computer's mic, since it's not a USB interface? Can I use

what are you using to mount the H1N to the camera hotshoe?

@JulianKrause

4 жыл бұрын

Hey, it is a Rode SM3 shockmount.

Maybe a dumb question but why even bother connecting the H1n to camera audio in? Why not just import the audio and video clips and sync in editor?

Hi. Where i can buy gadget who hold zoom H1n on canon camera?

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, this is the shockmount: www.rode.com/accessories/sm3 Sadly, I don't think it is produced anymore. Maybe you can find one used somewhere.

If you connect zoom h1 with camera, you dont need to sync it later in post?

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, that is correct. The audio of the H1n will be recorded straight into your camera and it is recorded into the video file.

Hey. give a link to the spider Rode

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, it is a Rode SM3: www.rode.com/accessories/sm3 I don't think they are produced anymore. You could check Amazon ore Ebay maybe someone is selling it.

Is it applicable to videocam/camcorder?

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, this would work with a camcorder the same way. One thing to keep in mind: Depending on the quality of the built-in microphones of the camcorder you might not gain much. Using the H1n is recommended, when you have very poor microphones in your camera because the H1n can record a better sound. But if the mics in the camcorder are already pretty good, the H1n might not improve the sound much more.

Which mount did you actually use?

@OhTenenbaum

Жыл бұрын

Ah - Rhode SM3. :)

which one is better for beginner filmmaker, zoom h1n or zoom h5?

@JulianKrause

4 жыл бұрын

I think the H1n is good, when you are just starting out. If you want to get serious about audio I recommend to buy an XLR mic like the Rode NTG2 and a Zoom H5. Both setups are if course completely different price ranges.

@leonarddai4998

4 жыл бұрын

@@JulianKrause thank you Julian

@leonarddai4998

4 жыл бұрын

@@JulianKrausewhat do you think about i buy h1n and rode ntg-2 with 3.5mm to xlr adapter, is it good option for beginner filmmaker?

I was trying to calibrate but I just get a continuous beep all along. I have tried multiple volume levels but no use. :( Can anyone help me please

I have nikon 3300. I was setup what u teach that way. But after recording I play in my camera it’s coming peeeep sounds only not my voice

@JulianKrause

5 жыл бұрын

You probably forgot to turn off the calibration tone. Press the stop button after calibtration to stop the tone and then you should hear the sound from the H1n.

Nice video, but may I recommend using a special -35dB attenuator cable, otherwise it will sound very noisy on your camera.

@VadimOm

3 жыл бұрын

Hello! Why you mention specifically 35db? because my local dude insists on 20db? just truing to figure out

@joacerbis

3 жыл бұрын

@@VadimOm Ideally you try a few different cables levels. -25, and -35 are common. -20db might be just fine. It's not a one solution fits all.