Fun fact: Empoleon has 10 (Formerly 12) resistances and an immunity. Water/Steel is a crazy type combination.

@gregorymirabella1423

2 жыл бұрын

i'm stunned we haven't gotten another one.

@CabeliotCometier

2 жыл бұрын

Steel may have lost 2 resists but gained Fairy. 11?

@nadiyeercan2680

2 жыл бұрын

Aegislash has 9 resistences and 3 immunities. Fairy/Steels also have 9 resistences and 2 immunities. Just shows how hard the steel type can be to out.

@BadApplePC98

2 жыл бұрын

How is a literal penguin not an Ice type?

@TheAuron32

2 жыл бұрын

@@BadApplePC98 i mean i certainly see your point and agree with you... Ice is typically bad, on its own, adding water to it, kind of removes some of those flaws.

I love that Dialga is what pops up during the fairy talk. One of the few dragons that can take on fairies.

@patathatapon

2 жыл бұрын

Also the god of time. Very helpful when you need to manipulate time to mention an oversight. Celebi can be a little harder to track down at times…

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I think he'll be popping up every time I need to add in a post-production narration. He pauses the video!

@Magic_Ice

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately got outclassed by Necrozma Dusk

@greenstatic180

2 жыл бұрын

*Dragalge wishes to know your location*

@shimogane2474

4 ай бұрын

@@Magic_Ice but you can use dialga defensively so that necrozma can use the gg buttons more often

So in history you have the ice age, stone age and iron age. Ice age comes first. Then Stone age. Rock beats ice. Then Iron age. Steel beats both rock and ice. So I can't help but think that Pokémon has predicted the "Punch age" and I wonder when it'll be here.

@SporkyMcFly

2 жыл бұрын

It came and went with the introduction of the Gay-acceptance era for Fairy-type inclusion.

Got me real good at "saying crazy things like Sword and Shield is a good game". Literally blurred out laughing. Thanks a lot for your videos. They always make my day better!

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! The dream is that BD/SP are great and the Gen 8 bashing can stop...we'll see.

@peeface2963

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese idk bdsp looks pretty bad

@tenanaciouz

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese sadly that doesn't appear to have been the case. GameFreak really slipping lately

@gregorymirabella1423

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese you were saying?

@gregorymirabella1423

2 жыл бұрын

@@tenanaciouz to be fair, ilca made bdsp, not gamefreak.

Even before Fairy type the _real_ dragon slayer type was Dragon type. Ice type Pokemon have such shit stats, unless you were using Weavile it was a better strategy to use your own Dragon type at the risk of them taking you out than use an Ice type. If more Ice type Pokemon were like Weavile and were super offensive glass cannons and less glass walls like Avalugg the Ice type wouldn't be so bad.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

No justice for ice types

@JStamato

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I honestly stand by this statement 'the only good ice types are Weavile and Frosslass' their the only fast ones that can make use of the Ice types glass cannon stats.

@JStamato

Жыл бұрын

@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE 110 speed is faster than garchomp and it has 80 in both attack stats, I constitently kills Garchomp, so whenever I use one it does the job.

fwiw Steel usually winds up being mid-high tier in Monotype metagames with Psychic, Flying, and Water usually outshining it. On the other hand, Ice, while not good, can _usually_ scrape by well enough to avoid the bottom tiers. I know monotype is very different from standard singles, and typically reflects the depth and diversity of options a type has more than how good it is on any specific pokemon, but just think it's interesting how context can warp the results so heavily with this kind of thing. Also really just wanted to play devil's advocate for my favorite type, Ice, lol.

@ryeonspeed

2 жыл бұрын

You have a Yatsuhashi pfp you must be correct

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Nice try, Mitsuhide!

@tdawgmaster1729

Жыл бұрын

So then what's the worst type for monotype?

@GensoBees

Жыл бұрын

@@tdawgmaster1729 Rock is always garbage in monotype

I want to raise a counterpoint to all tierlists that say that Rock is a good type: it is absolutely not. It matches Grass for most amount of weaknesses with 5 (Water, Grass, Fighting, Ground and Steel) and barely any combination of Rock-anything has good synergy. Even Rock-Steel sucks. What happens is that Stealth Rock is so damn busted it makes the Rock-type look good Edit: glad this list pointed it out lol

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

@Alex-mq6qi

Жыл бұрын

@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE is Ice-type a good type then?

@Alex-mq6qi

Жыл бұрын

@@BLUEBOYISLEDGE none of those Ppkemon you mentioned are beasts because of their Rock-type, they're beasts in spite of said type. Terrakion might be the only exception to that because back in its hayday Rock and Fighting were a really good comb but not anymore. I mentioned Ice because it shares a surprising lot with Rock-type, except Ice offensively is at least top 4, but as it stands in general it's garbage. That Rock-Ground combo you mentioned also applies to Ice (BoltBeam), but just because they have great offensive coverage doesn't mean Pokemon benefit that much from having either Rock- or Ice-type Like I said, it's not that Rock is that good, it's just that Stealth Rocks are so damn busted that they make Rock-type look good by virtue of existing. Pre-Gen 4 you have Tyranitar (which combines a lot of traits to be a beast and being Rock-type is far down the list) and maybe the Gen 1 Rock-type (but Gen 1 is such a mess it's not even funny). And all this on top of the fact that Gamefreak proved my point already: Rock was so garbage they had to give it 2 huge buffs in Gen 4 (SR and the 50% SpDef boost in Sandstorm)

It's a very cruel world out here for us bug type lovers. They really should have made fairy also weak to bug just to throw them a bone!

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

No idea why they're so cruel to bug types

@movezig5

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, two weaknesses to bad offensive types isn't a lot. My boy Heracross needs some new targets to skewer!

@tdawgmaster1729

Жыл бұрын

@@movezig5 And my wonderbug Shedinja

Mawhile got huge power and zacian had absolutely no balance whatsoever, so that's not really fair for the op ness of steel fairy. I think the best example is actually klefkey, who is one of the most used Pokemon in AG in one of the generations, while having pretty much no redeeming qualities other than the typing and prankster.

@LordRemiem

2 жыл бұрын

I loved the pun in that part: "if you combine Steel and Fairy what do you get? BANNED!"

@mangosteak

2 жыл бұрын

magearna is a pretty good special wall thanks to its typing

@DrDrao

2 жыл бұрын

@@mangosteak I swear I thought it was steel psychic. It was also banned from ou, so another great example. I looked it up and those are literally the only 4 steel fairies. Two banned from ou, one from ubers, and another one that despite terrible stats sees consistent play in ubers and even AG. Steel fairy is absolutely insane.

@eliyaskiya

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Zacian-Crowned is just disgustingly broken Think Dragons in Gen 5 and multiply it by 8 and you have the brokenness of Zacian Crowned It has a monstrous attack especially with Intrepid Sword and is really fast. It's not like it just dies to anything because it has defensive stats of 115 and HP of 92.

@gamingwhilebroken2355

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrDrao That’s what happens when you combine the best type in the game, Fairy, with the second best type in the game, Steel.

Dark definitely deserves to be A. Great offensive type and underrated defensive type. There is a reason they are always all over OU

@TheLudicrousLuv

2 жыл бұрын

So does fire deserve A

@TheGreatDanish

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, but not because of its offense/defense typing, but rather the abilitys and moves they get. They are pretty instrumental in helping set up the Buff and Sweep Imported laid out as one of the goals of battling by way of controlling switch outs, enemy items, and a number of non direct methods of control. Basically, where steel and water are looking to bulk up, soak hits, and sweep, Dark is looking to check threats TO those sweepers, so they can take the time to bulk up. And while not a lot of what Dark does is specific to dark types only, they have a tendency to have better, easier access to those means.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

The Gen 6 Steel "nerf" was more a buff to Dark, if anything. K N O C K O F F

@ThePurplePeppy

10 ай бұрын

​@TheGreatDanish Nah (fire emblem character), things like prankster is neat, but really, it's things like knock off and sucker punch being great moves with stab that make dark great post steel nerf.

Imo to buff Ice type they should get rid of Water’s resistance to Ice, and make Ice resist Flying or Dragon type.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Water should be weak to Ice and Poison, also Normal should be super effective against + resist Fairy change my mind

@MITHRIL_GOD

2 жыл бұрын

They should give ice an immunity to grass

@Metaknighttheloneswordsman

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Ice should be immune to water, resist flying ground flying grass. Also get 1.5 boost to defense in hail and keep frostbite from PLA.

@tdawgmaster1729

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese But then Freeze-Dry would be useless! The other points are good though. Also Fairy should be weak to and resisted by both Ice and Bug (maybe not weak to Bug, but absolutely should not resist Bug). Gamefreak really did my favorite types dirty. At least Salazzle exists

More tier lists please :) Potion in- game sprite tier list for April Fools (or October Fools if you want to be a trend setter)

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

There will be more tier lists in the future! Gen 5 someday... I already have an April Fools vid in mind, although it won't be a tier list...

@ponqo2894

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Since making my comment, I've had the realization that an in-game mom/family tier list sounds funnier than an in-game potion sprite tier list. Anyway, thanks for the reply, and I'm pogged for more tier lists 😎

I need an explanation as to why ice types aren't super effective against water types. The cold freezes water. Ice types are really cold, and also why don't they resist grass types?

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

There is no freezer at the GameFreak offices.

@marcoasturias8520

Жыл бұрын

The reason why there's life on Earth is because ice floats and keeps water from freezing further. Ice prevents water from freezing.

Your pun game is so on point, it’s one of my favorite aspects of your videos. “Water you gonna do about it” is the one that got me this time. 4 fighting-type thumbs up.

Of course there's interest in more tier lists. Fun to hear you talk about pokemon! Even if it's "useless playthru tiers for types" - sure, surf to win, but hearing your take on this would be fun anyway! Thanks for making another awesome vid!

seeing how your content has evolved over the past >1 year is crazy, the effort and personality you bring is just so entertaining

Your photo editing skills never cease to amaze me. Ghost type is my favorite 👻

i love your tier lists. such good commentary in addition to being funny and interesting.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Gen 5 tier list...someday...

I put this video on in the background while I was doing chores and I kept getting distracted, you are just too witty! I laughed much more than I expected to, great video as always :D

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Yesss B A C K G R O U N D ad revenue!

Great content as always - still super looking forward to the Gen 5 in game tier list!

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

One day for sure... *Excadrill Intensifies*

Based Imported Cheese. Always great to see a new video from this channel. Keep up the great work dude :)

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Eyy thanks for the support! Although I think "Steel good, Ice bad" is about as not-based as you can get lol

TBF to rock types, they do technically have the best move in the game. Not that there is literally any advantage to being a Rock type and using the move over not, but it might technically count for something, I guess?

@petrie911

Жыл бұрын

It's almost worse for rock types. Since SR suppresses rock weak Pokemon, Rock STAB becomes less valuable.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Sneaky pebbles good?!

I love your channel so much. You're such a cool and funny guy

Poison is my favorite type, and lord, do I agree with this placement. I have to work so much harder to pull of my sweeps with my poison types than I have to with *anything* else. But boy is it fun to smack down ubers with a fucking Muk.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

At least Muk got to star in a Karen Challenge episode...!

Love the channel cheese!

Ah, but what about the, uh, um, ??? type, bird type and typeless type?

@brutusthebear9050

2 жыл бұрын

??? Is midtier for having okay moves and no weakness. Typeless is the same. Bird is not included because it is banned in all competitive, including anything goes.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Ya got me, this video is a SHAM just like all my others

It shows how good Steel and Dragon were pre-fairy when Drag-Mag was a viable strategy. For those who don’t know in Gen 5 people would run Magnezone and maybe like one or two Pokémon specifically to kill steel types that resist dragon; then load up the rest of the team with dragon types like Garchomp, Salemence, the Latis, etc. and go to town.

@ImportedCheese

10 ай бұрын

Fairy is OPOP, but something did need to be done

Been a bit since I watched one of your videos, just haven't been on a Pokemon kick lately.... god you are funny. I forgot how much I like hearing you just make jokes and talk and stuff

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Ahhh what a compliment! Thank you!

Id be into an in game type tire list given how some types like Steel are great defencively but on offence... may as well be normal most of the time or what types like ground tend to do fine but are weighed down by bad moves in certain gens

“They’ll go home saying crazy things like ‘Sword and Shield were good’”. Hahahahaha. I am subbing.

@ImportedCheese

6 ай бұрын

Our legions grow...

"Steel is the best, Ice is the worst" Alolan Sandslash: **confused**

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Combined? M E D I O C R E

Keeping Ice in C tier is a conspiracy put in place by Chad Dragonite users.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Nice try, Lorelei!

When you know about nobunaga and hidesyoshi because of inazuma eleven

29:23 you don't get the damage boost. airborne mons aren't effected by terrains at all.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

i'll never admit to being wrong

@gregorymirabella1423

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese but you're not admitting that you're right either.

Love the Yokai Watch music Maybe you could do a tier list for all the tribes in YKW I’d totally watch that

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I gotta admit I don't know enough to actually make a video like that, sadly.

This really informed me on what moves get what boost that I didn't know beforehand

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

There's so many minor details! And they mostly don't matter eyyy

When the best types are basically the knight, the princess, and the dragon. Good 'ol fantasy core.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Creatively bankrupt franchise! Just rips off other fantasy tropes!

I generally agree with your placements overall even if I have some minor nitpicks I could make, though I think the biggest thing I disagree with is putting Fire in B. I just didn't really see where the downside is that prevents it from getting in A. It is probably the most effective check against the strongest type in the game, has a nice resistance against the 2nd best type in the game as well, and has perfectly serviceable offensive and defensive matchups aside from that as well. Stealth rocks hurt, sure, but they're not impossible to play around by any means.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

What a Fire type shill!! I would never overrate fire, never!

@CocoLocoToco

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheesesad chimchar and darmanitan noises

When they were designing steel and they asked what types should it resist, they just said "yes!" Laughed so hard at this cos it's so true

Hey your vids are really cool. I hope you can continue on youtube.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Eyyy thank you! I can continue...thanks to support from viewers like you!

Normal was top 3 best type in the game in Gen 1 though, not just "without many disadventages or advantages" lol

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I think I say in the video that normal used to be good, right?

Cheese: *Ranks Bug and Grass very low at the start of the video* Me: *Hugs my sweeping Leavanny in White version*

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Hug it harder, it needs all the support it can get...

@shaunduzstuffs

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Woah. Don't hug it too hard. You know what happened to the guy that hugged his Gardevoir too hard? Let's just say it started something that shouldn't of been started

@LordRemiem

2 жыл бұрын

@@shaunduzstuffs what :0 sauce plz

@shaunduzstuffs

2 жыл бұрын

@@LordRemiem Wdym "sauce"? You want some ketchup or something? Why?

@LordRemiem

2 жыл бұрын

@@shaunduzstuffs oh sorry xD I thought it was based on some post or some image

The problem with Ice types is that Game Freak really likes making slow tanks Weavile, Frosslass, and Mamoswine are the best Cloyster has had its niches, and Galarian Darmanitan is just stupidly powerful but there is so few ice types that have managed anything. For every Weavile we get an Avalug or some other trash tier archtype-type mismatch

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

At least Hisuian Avalugg is good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .........right?

@marble9071

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese No Like, if we had an Ice Fighting type with 100-120 speed and some good attacking stats, we may have something

In depth in game teir list yes

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps someday...no promises!

I overall agree, maybe dark could be a bit higher because it's strenghts really mess up with people (dark pokemon turn Prankster Pokemon into literal clowns). About changing some times, I believe Ice should at the very least resist Ground, which could work thematically and well, the idea of Abomasnow being pretty much inmune to EQ is hilarious.

I'd personally put Fire type in A because it counters Steel. It should be noted that Fire hits Steel typically from the special side rather than Ground and Fighting which hit it from the physical side where steels are more bulky at. I'd also drop Ghost to B rather than A. I think Rock should be B maybe as well since it's a monster offensive typing that hits 4 different types (bug, fire, flying, and ice) for super effective damage. Just my personal takes on your tier list. I really enjoy these tier list videos please make more of them!

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I...think I said all of those things about Fire in the video, right?

@TerranEarth

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my bad dude I kinda watched this video before I went to sleep and skipped through it. I was just commenting on the end result of tier list rankings. Btw are you gonna do a Gen 5 tier list? All the ones on YT arent good in my opinion. I would love to hear your tier list take on Gen 5.

@ultimapower6950

Жыл бұрын

I have plenty of ideas to buff Fire Moves Sizzly Slide Increased distribution Pokémon that can learn it Flareon, Rapidash, Arcanine. Pokémon Rapidash. Atk and speed increased to 110 and 115 respectively. Hidden ability changed to blazing soul similarly to radical red Flareon, Magcargo, Typhlosion, Infernape, Delphox and Emboar Give it it’s radical red buffs Entei. New Abillity Volcanic surge. Volcanic Surge sets up Volcanic terrian Volcanic Terrian Boosts fire moves by 25% (stacks with sun) Sets up a fire type future sight involving volcanoes

I’m not an ice type fan, but I def think sword and shield gave it a significant buff. The large amount of pivot moves and heavy duty boots means that it’s actually not as hard to get offensive ice types in as you think. Ice STAB is absurdly good. Defensive ice types are still ass tho. Also hail is actually the best weather in OU (well maybe not right now, but for a long stretch it was considered potentially banworthy)

@ThePurplePeppy

10 ай бұрын

Ice types eating well scarlet and violet, especially dlc (one of the biggest buffs was the chance not to be ice type though lol).

I do like the Ice Type. I don't like Ice Pokemon but you can just slap Ice Beam on any Pokemon that can learn it and you can't really go wrong with it.

I think the only thing I'd do is move Normal up to B tier. Plenty of dominant or at least OU normals in every gen, between Tauros, Snorlax, Blissey, Kangaskhan-M, Lopunny-M, and Porygon Z. Linoone being the only normal type to get Extremespeed is a meme, but stab Return on Normals is probably good enough to get them to B on its own, Headbutt is good, Quick Attack is at the very least a priority move. That and Normal Pokemon do still have the gimmick of "can learn a shitton of different moves".

As a rock type fan its sad to see how neglected it is by the devs. Most good rock type pokemon (Garganacl, both Tyranitars, and Nihiligo) are pretty much hindered by their typing and are usually good because of their stats or utility they bring. Salt cure and purified salt is broken though im surprised Garganacl's usage isnt higher that thing is a walking war crime if tera ghost or fairy.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Why is rock so frail

The stronger bug type pokemon really do stick out, though. Bug-Steel is still a real good combination, cause it only has a single weakness in fire. Incidentally, fire type attacks are a tad limited, not that many pokemon can learn them(compared to, for example, Earthquake). Mono-bug type is actually not that bad, either. Ground and Fighting resistance is quite handy and their weaknesses aren't *that* common at least. Bug Flying types, though.. they are the worst. Vespiquen is a sad mon, cause she'd be a pretty decent wall if not for her horrible dual typing.

I would like to see a tier list for in-game, not with the best attacks counted for, but simply the best type matchups against gym leaders and elite 4. Which game? Your call, but it could be a whole series, or just a big video like this

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I think that might be impossible to do for the series as a whole, but maybe for a single game? Maybe BD/SP?

@theermac6024

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese that would be pretty cool. Just seeing these kinds of "more scientific" tier lists would be very interesting

- electric type would be s tier if any Pokemon with a completentary type wasn't purposefully nerfed by stat distribution or lackluster abilities - flying is just better normal type, and is S tier as a complementary type. - bugs have U-turn carrying it

@electrocast

2 жыл бұрын

also stat averages for electric would be miles better if half the type wasn't held back by unevolving pikaclones.

@windwaker0rules

2 жыл бұрын

@@electrocast yeah that, but like every electric half decent duel type electric pokemon is good , magnezone, rotom forms tapu-koko thundurus, zapdos Imagine tapu Koko if it had moon blast, 120 spark and something like ice Beam or surf. And rotom W was top tier with stats that sucked ass.

I find it pretty dumb how almost every water type in the damned ocean learns Ice moves for coverage. But Electric types can get cucked.

@jerelgayle3625

2 жыл бұрын

Least they could do is make Electric-types able to learn fire moves like Flamethrower and Fire Blast.

I remember the tier list of the 1970s on line the normal bird dragon and earth types crushed the bugs

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Things have changed in the 5 decades since!

No mention of the Scrappy ability for countering Ghosts?

Interested in seeing this. Wolfey is on record thinking Bug is the worst type, below Ice. As a noob, I disagree, Ice is the worst - my favorite type too. And my second favorite is Poison. Oof. So you being so competent, curious as to whether you place Ice or Bug at the bottom.

@ImportedCheese

10 ай бұрын

Ice bros

Hate the fairy type sooooo much. Smh. Need to make it weak to fire as well, and remove its bug/dark type resistances. Gen 5 😂 buff dudes on dragons punching steel types no matter what weather the forecast called for

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Make it weak to bug and normal

Great list & very entertaining vid. My only criticisms are that fire & dark should be A, electric should be high B, & poison, ice and bug should be lower probably need a D tier. I think you’re underrating normal & rock slightly. Normal types generally have tons of move diversity and the ghost immunity is huge. Rock types tend to get a lot of good move options. I do agree that Rock as a duel type is usually trash. Rock is better as a pure type, just look at how good Garganacl is

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Normal is horrible

The worst part of discovering your channel and plowing through all of these tier lists is having no tier lists left to watch. (I'm not there yet, but, uh, I'm well on my way).

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

There are so many, though! Dozens of hours!

The amount of puns in this video is Godly.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed! There were a lot of takes...

Wow i didn't know that about solar beam

I can actually argue water is as good if not better than steel for few reason. - Kyogre being the best pokemon for 3 generation straight. - Gen 5 rain team is so stupid to the point they actually make a clause for rain team specifically because of how busted rain team are. - Some mad man in europe won big tournament with (kinda) mono water type. It has Urshifu dark but all of his pokemon are water type except for that one Urshifu. Which is just stupid. - Access to ice type move mean that the only good counter for water type is another water type.

"Have I taken Rock types for granite?"

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

No.

I unironically think Fire Should be higher probably a low A The offensive stuff is great as you said decimating Steel types but it's also great defensively resisting 6 types including Fairy and Steel While it not benefiting from Chlorophyll bar Scovillian kinda sucks it's still a great type

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Fire is good!! But youtube comments hate charizard

I heard that yo kai watch music in the back. So much nostalgia.

To be fair to Rock/Fire and Rock/Ice, it’s not necessarily that the type combos are bad it’s that the Pokémon at the time this video was recorded didn’t play into the strengths of the combos. Rock, Fire, and Ice all have something major in common: they’re great offensively and meh to horrible defensively. If this was on a Pokémon built to be a glass cannon that would just try and out speed and ko the opponent like Weavile it wouldn’t be so bad. Unfortunately they put these type combos on slow “bulky” “defensive” Pokémon like Macargo. Fortunately since this video released Hisuian Arcanine was released and he was really good being fast enough to outpace major threats, had priority Extreme Speed, and it had Rock Head so it could spam Head Smaash, Flare Blitz, and Wild Charge with little consequences. The only major downsides were water and ESPECIALLY GROUND types. We haven’t had a Rock/Ice type try this approach yet, but a Pokémon with offensive advantages against Dragon, Ground, Fire, Flying (and to an extent Grass and Bug) all for super effective AND almost nothing resists that combo is pretty good offensively. That said, if you get hit, oh MAN you’re in trouble: 2 4x weakness to rock and steel and you’re hit super effectively by water, rock, and grass and ground if you don’t knock them out first. It’s resistances also all SUCK with it only resisting poison, normal, ice and the best type it resists is flying. I feel like a Rock/Ice type engineered for offense wouldn’t be AMAZING, but it’s definitely be something to watch out for and could work with a glass cannon like Weavile. As for Rock/Steel, it is hot garbage; Ghost/Normal does the cool thing we’re they’re weaknesses kinda cancel out, Rock/Steel tries to do that and instead all of its weaknesses are brought to the forefront.

@ImportedCheese

8 ай бұрын

quadruple

Nothing ever benefits from being Ice type, it's only a disadvantage. Rock is almost as bad, but there's a few pokemon where it covers weaknesses of the other type. I will say Earthquake being so good is incredibly irritating. Its downside in doubles is really easy to get around and my personal team building constantly ran into the issue of "wow check out this cool new pokemon - oh wait it's weak to Earthquake never mind I guess". I stopped battling online after gen 5 because it just became really aggravating.

I'll take top of c tear. Poison ain't great but I still love it

There used to be no physical rock type attacks with 100% accuracy, but in gen 7 Lycanroc's signature move Accelerock was introduced, and it's just rock-type quick attack and it has 100% accuracy.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I think Gen 5 Smack Down is also 100% accurate! It's Smack Down tho

@andrewengelman3544

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese You are correct! I forgot about that move

No wonder Mitsuhide was the coolest guy in that game 😏

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Not a Dragon type fan, I see.

While Ice is a horrible type still, it's at its best in gen8, because Heavy-Duty Boots were introduced, and a new really strong move in triple axel which literally made Weavile be considered the 2nd best pokemon in the format at some point (although it fell off a bit recently) and hail was also considered the best weather for some time because it enabled Arctozolt. so yeah in gen8 i'd consider it the 2nd worst type thanks to all the buffs it got

Speaking from experience with my Pokemon Xenoverse run, Curse is VERY, VERY GOOD on a Ghost type. Those bosses with multiple health bars were so bs and having a way to constantly drop its bar in significant chunks was so nice. Edit: I would not put water in S rank. Not even close. B is a better place. Although there are notable exceptions, water's stats are abysmal in comparison to others. Yes, they do have decent overall coverage, but they are essentially the normal type of higher tiers. And that's not a good thing.

@SephonDK

Жыл бұрын

Water's biggest benefit is that its only two weaknesses have a lot of problems offensively. Grass is a bad offensive type and bad type overall. Electric is overall a good offensive type, so it's the only really good option againdt water, but ground types being immune and super effective to electric means that if the opponent reads you and switch, you're fucked. This is part of why bulky water types are so good in competetive.

If only every ground type was as good as gen 5 excadrill

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

*Laughs in VGC Landorus*

Ice types are the worst? That's cold man.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Not cold enough, get Ice types outta my game!

i would say that normal types special trait is that they usually get some of the biggest movepools in the game to make up for the shittiness of being a normal type

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

What a consolation

One thing about Steel types that has always annoyed me... Steel-type are immune to Poison so you can't use Toxic on them, but then they can learn Toxic themselves! Every Pokemon in Gen 2 could learn the Toxic TM, and I hated that I could never use Toxic on a Steel-type but a Steel-type can use Toxic on me.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Steel is just unfair overall

@marcoasturias8520

Жыл бұрын

They like, throw used syringes at you or something... How does most pokémon even do do toxic?

Ice did get a few buffs in s/v, but it's still not the cream of the crop. Still, it's my favorite type and I always have at least one ice type in the party 🥰

@ImportedCheese

2 ай бұрын

Turns out aurora veil is pretty good!

Excadrill is the giga chad of steel types

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Great example of Steel type allowing the other typing to go crazy.

I don't know why fairy and ghost is resisted by bug tbh like maybe it would been ok if bug at least resist fairy along with it.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

No idea, GF can never give bug a break

For all the bad rock type combinations, dont forget the classic rock/ground as well

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

butbut R H Y D O N

@Hadaron

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Rhydon this 4X water and grass weakness😎

I think the future games would benefit allot from the bottom five at least making it so they could be considered B rank, for instance: Ice should be super effective against water and quad resistant to it. It gives a much needed nerf to waters to have to fear something else other than electric without being too overbearing because Ice's main problem is how water can just splash an Ice beam and be better Ice type in effect with a bit less bite... which is why I'd also give an accuracy boost to all ice moves when they are actually used by an ice type - lets say 20% so now people have to deal with the threat of gen 1 blizzard when an ice takes the field. You still have to deal with fire, rock, and fighting which is fair enough since your hitting so many things for big damage already. Rock should have a gimmick, and lets say it starts with getting the same 20% boost to accuracy to all it's rock type moves when it's actually being used by a rock type - similar to how Ice was treated. Now add on another inherent quality where they mirror poison types or electric - they not only negate stealth rock but absorb any and all stacks of it on the field. And you might be thinking - well just predict it and destroy them with something like low kick or any common move other mons spalsh into for coverage... if they enter the field and absorb stealth rocks they also get the effect of solid rock for that 1 turn only (this doesn't replace their ability). Everything else you leave the same. Normal really only needs more moves that give it the potential to super effective hit different types while still being normal type moves to give it some bite - kind of like Freeze-Dry (you'd have to be very careful about how many of these normal type stab moves there are and what base power they have). Otherwise it's fine because have the most variety should elevate them, should. Bug and poison I'm really not sure about - they need the most help. Psychic isn't oppressive anymore because bug's rep was saved... only to make dark type in the next generation and they still had the worse mons per capita in terms of stat caps because they've been the glorified teaching tool for evolution while ironically not changing much as they did evolve. Poison is kind of funny because it's best move is learned by just about everything, so I'd change it so only poison types that use toxic can badly poison the target using that move. Then give it a bunch of really good resistances at either x4 or a wide spread of x2 - maybe taking some away from steel. It should be the more long-game kind of type even compared to steal - a somewhat fitting alternative for certain niches and outright countered by it's shiny contemporary due to it's immunity.

@ImportedCheese

10 ай бұрын

they should just make more weaviles

I don't know If the list was holistic enough since it's only considers singles competitive right? But VGC is doubles And some of these placements would change based on that.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Which placements would change

In your opinion, how much better would Ice be if it gained the following resistances: water, ground, and dragon?

@ImportedCheese

9 ай бұрын

If it resisted three great types it would be better, yes

If not for that fact that it’s weaknesses are common and powerful, people would complain about steel’s power

Because Garchomp and Landorus-T exist, I don't personally think I could rate Ice below B. Just on the countering those two mons

Poison is good because of the Nidokingdom, Swallot is actually scary with Gunk Shot and the other stuff is kinda bad. I wouldn't go as far as saying they deserve A, but a mid B why not? They can learn a lot of TM types, very versatile and unless they are getting quaked or psyqued, you are not killing them.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

They'd probably manage at least B if they didn't get completely walled by the best type in the game that is 100% on every single team, possibly in multiples

Come for the type analysis stay for the world war 1 statistics stories.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

What a comprehensive channel! You can learn anything here!

Tyranitar is a Rock type and Tyranitar will always be S tier, so that must mean Rock type is good, checkmate

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Biased username!!

Fairy is the best type. A stupid defensive type with only two weaknesses to two garbage attacking types. It also hits three of the most powerful types for super effective damage too.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

It probably would have been #1 here if the fairy types themselves weren't kinda....eh

I like my Miltank, Lopunny, Snorlax tho. ...Course, those are some of the better normal types too, so... XD

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Smack down is a rock physical move with perfect accuracy, but it's only 50 BP

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

50 bp is more than 45 attack, at least

I like how Kabigon Phelps is still thicc

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Of course, Phelps trains no matter what form he takes

To make Poison a better type, it should simply be immune to Fairy types. Also give it a much stronger effect when you inflict poison to give it notable advantages over many types. Steel probably needs to have Ice be removed out of it's resistances to reduce it's supreme defenses into just mega coverage. Ice needs to resist Dragon and Ground, to give it some much needed niche power and to give all Ice Types a fighting chance. Normal types should be focused on their main advantage: their normal type being pretty good with coverage. Have it be a 1.75x STAB with normal type moves, to give them added Oomph when smacking something.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Anything to nerf fairy pls

I was actually playing conquest while playing this game

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Good game!! Why is Charizard so bad tho

@thebraviarykid7849

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese in my opinion charizard mid in conquest GREAT MOVE and attacks stat to back it up Then everything else trash about it

It saddens me that Bug got the short end of the stick when you consider Pokemon exists kin the first place because of bug catching. I think to start with they should buff Bug types by Steel no longer resisting them because they can be small and get into the gaps of armor, and because Steel underestimates them

@ImportedCheese

2 ай бұрын

just make bug beat fairy

@redjirachi1

2 ай бұрын

@ImportedCheese Given the weaknesses Fairy has were for poor offensive types, making it resist Bug instead seems to just confirm the game developers hate the type

In competitive there are hardly any Ice Types banned. Even the Pokemon Gamefreak intended to be broken in Kyurem and Black Kyurem were unbanned in Smogon formats. It took like 3 Generation until the Black form got banned. Another Pokemon that got banned is Darmanitan because Gamefreak had big brain idea to give it a free choice band. That means for the longest, the only banned Ice Type in Smogon was Arceus Ice and if you want to count it Greninja in Generation 6 when using an Ice Move. I think Bug got so many Pokemon that resist it because U-Turn is such a powerful move that gives amazing momentum. There is no Pokemon that's immun to it or can stop it. You forgot to add resistance to Knock Off to Dark Types. That is a selling point since it got buffed in Gen 6. Btw, did you just spoil a new form from Legend Arceus? :(

@Rarest26

2 жыл бұрын

You missed Kyurem White. That thing has always been banned.

Ice should resist and super effect water imo. And poison should super effect fighting.bug on fairy while we're at it

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I dunno if poison should beat fighting, but it should be water. Nerf water!!!!

@alexohkay

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese my reasoning for poison over fighting is saying no to drugs /steroids

41:05 Accelerock has 100% accuracy

@harrymanocha4533

2 жыл бұрын

So does rock type Judgment. Both moves are only learned by 1 mon though, so it's difficult to argue that it's a broadly applicable counterargument

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Ya got me.

There is actually a AAAA battery! Ironically, however, A-series batteries get smaller with more A's, so you might be better off just giving Electric type a AA anyways.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I give Electric type a single A, then!