Correction Post?! - Don't say I recycled the HORRIBLE joke, we added Qwilfish and Stantler!!!!!!!!! - AKSHUALLY THEY'RE LEGENDARY "BEASTS" - In gen 3 double battes, if a pokemon is KOd its replacement is sent out during the same turn, so you can potentially knock out FOUR pokemon in a turn!!!!! Probably not tho.

@NoShotTwoKill

Жыл бұрын

I mean there was a challenge where you had to kill a bunch of shedinjas in a specified amount of turns in either coliseum or XD

@TheRamblemanWhoSings

Жыл бұрын

jokes get better & funnier the more times they're used

@dungeonpastor

Жыл бұрын

Slugma isn't gen 3

@stagelights_

Жыл бұрын

you kept mentioning how surf does half damage and i was like "that can't be right, spread moves do 75% in doubles", then i looked it up and you were right, the 75% thing wasn't until gen 4

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

@@stagelights_ yah we spent serveral minutes live double and triple checking spread moves

If these videos have taught me anything, it's that gen 4 redeemed half the gen 2 mons.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

The gen 2 evos is the best part of gen 4

@troykv96

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if Gen 9 is gonna do the same with the other half.

@jesusramirezromo2037

Жыл бұрын

and Arceus saved the other half

@latrodectusmactans7592

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Not wrong. God Gen 4 is boring.

@spindash64

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Hey, that’s not fair! There’s also the Gen 2 remakes! Okay, yeah, base DP is poopie tho.

This video was a cathartic experience.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I was getting so many comments telling me this game is actually good, I was starting to doubt myself. Now I've been V I N D I C A T E D! ...This game's horrible

@crenando288

Жыл бұрын

two of my favorite PokeTubers in the same place, Both of your Colosseum videos are excellent

@MrCrossmoss

Жыл бұрын

Bruh.

@anonanonymous9670

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Yeah The game is horrible I've tried playing it 5 different times over like 3-4 years and have never beaten it because I always get bored quickly

@0_asis

Жыл бұрын

@Anon Anonymous grand colosseum or xg next gen. Both rom hacks 100% better because the obtainable pokemonnare better and the enemy's teams are enhanced.

56:12 How CONVENIENT that Qwilfish is now the channel mascot

I’m sure that hyper mode will finally bring out the hidden potential of grass Onix himself - Tropius! The plant power!

@Lumix_Corrupt

Жыл бұрын

*does he know?*

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

he doesn't know

@user-do1gm9qg7n

Жыл бұрын

Should we tell him?

@Empostir

Жыл бұрын

No

Really enjoyed cheese improving his jokes and adapting, it’s really cool to se- Wait this guy doesn’t evolve? Oh my god this guy is HORRIBLE hehehehe (fun vid as usual)

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

If I use the same joke enough times I'll get a STAB bonus!!

@nicocchi

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese honestly you should update your commedy repertoire and find better jo-- wait this guy's humor doesn't evolve? oh my GOD THIS GUY IS HORRIBLE -real talk keep doing the doesn't evolve joke it doesn't get old. Unlike those powercrept NFE mons. Doing it in japanese was brilliant lol-

@honeycrisp808

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Better be holding a metronome!

@M3rtyville

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese You should wear a Choice Specs to get 50% increase justifying the over use everytime you switch in.

Here's a pro for Bayleaf: Bayleaf appears early alphabetically, so in some very uncommon scenarios you would be able to release it earlier.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

It's also the closest to the catching tutorial, so you can speedrun the catch and release!!

I feel like all this hype is one big, elaborate set-up to dunk on Meganium again.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I'd never clickbait with a grass type in the thumbnail!

So that's why this is the hardest Pokemon game. 90% of the rooster of Pokemon to catch are all from Johto.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

A fate worse than death

@ultimapower6950

Жыл бұрын

And another 7% are johto mons disguised as mons from other regions

@tupacshakur5868

Жыл бұрын

i know this is a joke to just roast johto mons, but this game isnt hard 10 y/o me just brutforced the entire game with umbreon and espeon: Even as a nuzlocke, its pretty chill

@tupacshakur5868

Жыл бұрын

@Ya Mum gale of darkness nuzlocke is quite challenging

@dse763

10 ай бұрын

The funny thing is that you start probably with the best Johto has to offer.

It's very telling how much Genius Sonority learned about Pokemon mechanics between Colosseum and XD; the Battle Sims in XD are like a tutorial to advanced battle mechanics.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I imagine they had much more time to work on the game itself in XD since the pokemon were already animated

I saw you about to put misdreavus into johto's finest and I started typing my comment about how just being a ghost type means the enemy will constantly waste their turns on it. Very glad you mentioned that. This is the kind of thing you need real game experience to know. I know from watching Chuggaaconroy's lets play of Colosseum where he kept it on his team because of how often the enemies would waste their move on it.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

We did a playthrough before this list!!! We're C O M P R E H E N S I V E

@aprinnyonbreak1290

Жыл бұрын

I think it's being a little underestimated here, ENTIRELY because of the Entei Admin guy. That fight is actually genuinely hard, and just having Misdreavus on the team means his aoe field nukes stop making him gain pokemon advantage every time he uses one. Go ahead and box it after that fight, but Misdreavus single handedly makes that fight significantly easier just by existing.

Shuckle in the post-game is very worth beating the whole game, just look at those adorable Shuckle animations

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

True! SKY HIGH defense and cute animations, must be good!

@zesnow3918

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese the sky high defenses mean we get to look at shuckle more

You conveniently glossed over a huge upside for Ledian's viability. Using it will cause you to black out at lightning speed, allowing you to stop playing this game sooner

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

The hidden tech?! :SmolBug:

>Qwilfish? Who cares? If only we knew... the convenience is overflowing off the charts!

@ImportedCheese

9 ай бұрын

This was before we knew

Re: Jumpluff's glitched shadow, I think I actually know why it does that and it's pretty interesting (to me anyway)! For older games, rendering actually smooth spheres is HARD. So it was more common to emulate true spheres by putting a spherical texture on a flat plane and angling it to always face the camera. It's less common nowadays as game systems get more computing power, but it was very much a thing in the N64/GCN era. But the thing is, a lot of 3D software will treat the alpha maps for actual objects and object shadows differently. Usually, a shadow will assume an object is opaque unless told otherwise. So what probably happened with Jumpluff is that the shadow shader wasn't told it has a transparent texture, ergo, you get cubes.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

A real explanation from the scientists at Cipher?! ...Or is this just grass propaganda in disguise?! Cool trivia, I didn't know this

I’ll argue that Taunt has ONE niche: the AI in this game knows when you’re going to heal status ailments with an item. So it’s VERY possible for you to use a paralysis heal on a Pokémon, only for the AI to immediately use Stun Spore on the same turn that you do. Taunt prevents that

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Psychic strat counter?!

@inkubus6192

5 ай бұрын

If you were to heal a status at the start of a turn, then Taunt with your other Pokemon, would the AI read both actions before their turn and just use an attack? Or would they try to status you again and waste a turn because of the taunt?

@borby4584

5 ай бұрын

@@inkubus6192 From my own experience, it's the latter. They only read the items, not the attacks, so they waste their turn

Espeon is probably one of the best pokemon in this game and that says something! Also MANTINE IS ACTUALLY KINDA GOOD IN THIS GAME!

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I dunno mantine's still kinda bad

Personally what sells me on this game looking back on it is the limited roster, too many of the main line games offer way better pokemon leaving many non optimal pokemon overlooked. No one would probably ever use yanma, but when yanma is what you have it gets used leading to interesting non optimal strategies. I really wish more games either official or fan really use the essence of non optimal/underused team composition like this game does

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Yanma is unusable even among this crew of crap

@jazzercise300

9 ай бұрын

I think that's what makes UU and RU smogon tiers so fun

I forgot that Colosseum is like 90% Johto Pokémon. Make sense because lots of Johto Pokémon were hard to get or just missing from the GBA Gen 3 games. That was the main reason I liked this game. And yes the music is the best part!! Shame the gameplay is so boring. It definitely was a slog in the second half.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

It was all a racket, the original dexit just to seel you this game!!

"Legendary dogs" Lions and saber-tooth tigers are my favorite dog breeds.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I prefer cats

@richardqustmrk

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese cats are better Except Skitty

Love this man, has a radio voice and good comedic timing. Really reminded me just how limited the roster really seems.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

The jokes write theselves....ledian....pls...

@ElekktrOde

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese U have to do pokemon XD gale of darkness next! great vid :D

Y'know, Dudunsparce is a pretty good Pokemon. It's got pretty good bulk, and has good attacking stats, and can make good use of serene grace heatbutt- Wait, Dunsparce doesn't evolve? Oh my god this THING IS HORRIBLE

@ImportedCheese

10 ай бұрын

what a shame

I think Mantine should be higher because it hard counters Dakim because he just spams earthquake even against Mantine then hit them with super effective attacks. It lets you use earthquake without wasting a turn to protect.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Mantine is OK against Dakim...Mantine kinda sucks at dealing damage tho, don't fall for the super effective swindle

I think the entire reason someone was like "grass as coverage is good" is because water is a really good type. The super effective swindle.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Everyone falls for it

@765craven4

Жыл бұрын

In PvP if your Pokemon hard loses to any Water/Ground or Water/Rock Types that happen to be common in whatever meta you're playing in and your Pokemon gets a solid Grass move it can be alright. Crobat with Giga Drain, for example, can catch Mega Swampert users off guard sometimes.

@cryptwalker2439

Жыл бұрын

hypothetically if jellicent was in colosseum it could have energy ball as coverage

Funny how half of the mons you can get in this game are in the "Would be good if it's evolution existed at this point!" Category (Aside from Weavile bc of Ice/Dark being special). Also, out of all the E-Reader Shadows, Scizor is arguably the only one that isn't redundant (the other two are a Shadow Togepi and Mareep, both of whom's evos are already obtainable anyway), though I wish it got better STAB options at the time. Speaking of which, you While it wouldn't matter in a Casual Playthrough anyway, Shadow Togetic has yet ANOTHER thing going against it. It's owned by the Wes Imposter who uses Mons in the Late 60s to early 70s. What level is Togetic at? 20. Fucking 20.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Just gotta wait one gen for Togekiss and two after that for Fairy typing...

Love watching you stream this and can’t wait to watch the tier list!

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

It's been edited for B R E V I T Y (still and hour and a half...)

So I actually replayed Colosseum a month ago and even though the game was kinda boring, I think I built a good team despite what I was using. -Meganium: Sunny Day/Solarbeam/Synthesis/Light Screen I had to grind so much to get the Solarbeam TM, but it’s basically mandatory to use Meganium. It’s best as a tank to not get OKHOd by stronger Shadow Pokemon. I think it almost solo’d the Raikou fight because I forgot to heal the rest of the team. -Magcargo: Flamethrower/Rock Slide/Yawn/Protect I’m going to be honest, this pokemon is mostly just bait to block strong attacks. You get the Protect TM decently early (and you can buy more!) and it makes unwinnable matchups doable. Sun + Light Screen makes Water attacks easy to tank. -Plusle: Thunder/Helping Hand/Thunder Wave/Fake Tears Unironically the MVP of the team. I was shocked at how easy it was to OHKO opponents with Thunder. -Mantine: Bubblebeam/Confuse Ray/Wing Attack/Rain Dance Solid tank, Water Absorb has great synergy with Mag. Unfortunately Wing Attack is physical and Bubblebeam is 60 power. Gen 3 movesets are so painful to work with. -Furret: Strength/Iron Tail/ Helping Hand/Follow Me Furret jusy kinda showed up and did damage. There’s not much else to it. -Medicham: High Jump Kick/Reversal/Detect/Confusion Originally this was a Hitmontop, but I was so disappointed by how Triple Kick was it’s only usable move that I had to replace it later. Medicham isn’t that much better but at least HJK does good damage.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Truly a colosseum moment

@spindash64

Жыл бұрын

I went with Typhlosion, Espeon, Qwilfish, Flygon, Murkrow, Ampharos, and Furret in a bit of a rotation. Follow Me is pretty dang helpful, and so is STAB Sludge Bomb

playing this primarily to get a Ho-Oh in Gen 3, the Tyranitardy tier ended up being pretty good for the 100 battle challenge to get it.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

true!! wish it were a bit faster

hey, just wanted to let you know these videos are perfect to have running in the background over and over while doing chores :^)

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I7d rather do chores than plan this game again

Really, how do you have such a good voice? It is just a perfect voice for someone narrating stuff or just kinda monologuing, like you do in your videos

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! Very useful for being a keyboard warrior

His appreciation of Jumpluff does bring a tear to my eye. This is his first step in turning to the grass side 😈

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Not gonna happen

was about to defend qwilfish, but turns out intimidate is its hidden ability

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

It would still be awful even with intimidate, SAD

Oh, love the new visuals. The Pokémon icons work really well for this.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

The icons are only here because I had them for the Snag Swap Challenge, but I might use them again. They're a real pain to download...

Lowkey I think the bulkier pokemon actually are a lot more useful here than you normally give them credit, especially with how barely anything in this game is strong enough to OHKO at all💀

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Most certainly not, bulky pokemon are worthless. Even saying they're useful for walling while tossing pokeballs is too much credit

@inkubus6192

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese I don’t think the “dead pokemon don’t do damage”, extreme MONKE style of play works when _this_ is the roster you’re given, Cheeseman. “Why would you be taking damage?” Because your best damage dealers are Espeon, who fails to OHKO things consistently, and Makuhita, who hits after everything else on the field. Love your analysis, but that contradiction is glaring.

great video, i always die at "horrible stats! horrible typing! horrible movepool! this thing's horrible!"

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

you'll never hear it this many times in another list again, at least I hope not

great video, was both really informative and entertaining and the editing is amazing too in retrospect it makes sense why everyone seems to play through this with nearly identical teams because what the hell are you gonna do with like three quarters of these chucklefucks

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Just pick quilava and have him cook!

I only caught a handful of the livestreams during the playthrough but my dude i see how many countless hours you're putting into your content and it's very well appreciated!💜

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! This list was R E S E A R C H E D

@veraxiana9993

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese oh god i just saw the ending too and LMAO you can't make that up that's comical timing at its finest

Over the years I've learned to dig in my heels on General Amelia. Mostly because, thematically, I like the idea of a little girl in a giant suit of armor. Also, I feel like Umbreon would have been better if it was given Reflect instead of Espeon. Then umbreon could just go full support at the start while Espeon just kills literally everything.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

General Amelia is hilarious, and with Seth to pick up the slack you can do whatever you want lol

@patathatapon

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese My favorite Sacred Stones run to date was a no Seth hard mode run. I allowed grinding specifically for Amelia, and Ross to a lesser extent. Once Amelia hit general, I'd throw her into a group of enemies (I gave her my free boots because I enjoy the salt from the tears of others) and she'd just wipe out the board because she doubled everything. Go little girl, kill your former countrymen! We're the good guys! We brainwash little girls into genocide machines!

@TheAxeLord47911

Жыл бұрын

My man knows what's up! It's such a cool character arc in that regard. :D

Yes, Remoraid is an absolute pain to grind but (in my experience because I've used it in my first playthrough) I don't think it is the worst pokémon in the game as when it evolves into Octillery it does good damage and has a great movepool, making it actually usable in the mid to late game despite its lack of speed unlike stuff like Yanma who can never become usable no matter what, so it has an edge based on that alone. I'd move it up a tier at least.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

base level 20 is SO AWFUL...I will not allow remoraid propaganda :FlameThrower:

@athath2010

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese to be fair, you DID allow plusle propaganda

@Canyoutakeitallaway

Жыл бұрын

@@athath2010 Can confirm that Plusle is absolutely bout that life in Colosseum. Give it a chance. I'm gonna try it with Remoraid next lol

I wouldn’t feel too bad using the pokeball glitch in this game. Mainly cause this game is absolutely brutal. Screw honor and screw dignity your ass just needs to survive.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Well...you do play as a thief lol

This game really was just "Pay us 50$ so you can complete your pokedex"

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I want a refund

Greatest thing about Colsseum was the intro, how the main character has an ambigious motive and cool backstory, and that rocking banger of a soundtrack

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

It's all a trick!! the coolness only lasts for the intro

@CyraxxLotion

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese We NEED a remake including the QOL stuff from XD on top of new stuff. I'd pay at most $90 to have remakes of the Orre duology

Just found this video today and I’m for sure watching more, loved your humor/commentary Keep it up

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Let's commentating!

Rewatching this, the "Ho-Ho-Horrible" got me

@ImportedCheese

3 ай бұрын

Christmas is cancelled

Misdrevous: "Don't cry for me, I'm already dead."

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Good type tho

Hey man, in retrospect, I think you were too hard on Dunsparce. Sure it’s not the best, but when it evolves into Dudunsparce, while it’s slow, it still can hit fairly hard and- …wait. You mean Dudunsparce was literally only added in Gen 9? It doesn’t evolve at all until Scarlet and Violet? …seriously?! … Okay yeah no you were right. This mon is TERRIBLE!

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Recorded before the discovery of Dudunsparce! ...at least they added Sunflourish, right...?

@redjirachi1

3 ай бұрын

@@ImportedCheese If they actually give Sunflora some justice with an evo, make it a Grass/Fire type like a literal sun flower. I call it Sunflorist

I love Wes's goofy smile in the intro, it's so stupid

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

He's in the wrong game if he wants to smile

Can't believe that furret was the highest normal type for once

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Only in the Colosseum!!

@marcoasturias8520

Жыл бұрын

Hey, it is the best pokemon for a walk

Thoughts on Colosseum: It's a solid enough battle simulator with a story, but the content in it lacks something to be desires. The real draw to this game is that it's all double battles, making it a perfect introduction as to why double battles are good. It's a step or two up difficulty wise compared to most Pokémon games, there are a couple of fights you can lose if you don't come prepared. (Yes, online battling is harder by a significant degree, but what game's single-player is harder then the online?) The Pokémon available in this game are pretty laughable, but it's still better then looking for Kanto Pokémon the player's used since gen 1 to sweep the game, even if the selection does take a few years off my lifespan.

@TheWrathAbove

Жыл бұрын

I'd argue that it's main issue is that it's largely just outclassed by XD which does everything it does but way better.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I'd argue that it's main issue is that it's largely just outclassed by XD which does everything it does but way better. Let's Snagging comments!

@verymelonman12

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWrathAbove The official sequel SHOULD be better so that's not much of an argument. Granted, XD is completely outclassed by Pokemon XG: NeXt Gen but that's a romhack.

@alicevioleta3184

10 ай бұрын

basically yeah, the limited roster is weak but it makes you use your head. pokemon but difficult is cool. doubles are cool. story kicks ass, soundtrack SLAPS. amazing game.

man, I really like your videos... keep up with the great work

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

That one shiny scizor with every ribbon would like to talk to you

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I saw that thumbnail! Not the video tho

1:26:25 brother that is just scovillain, you literally just predicted scovillain

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Psychic type?!

Let's be honest, this game was just a way to make Pokemon available after the shifting cave or whatever it was called didn't work out.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Gen 3 was the original dexit

@arcuscotangens

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Unironically yes. I actually quit the franchise over that.

My father, I require content now

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

You must wait. You have two days to R I P E N

@bananaspice1967

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese *dies of death*

Good video. I actually joined your discord so that I could request this exact video (I didn't because I always feel like a dick for making requests of content creators). I hope you end up making a video about XD, too. I remember liking it a fair bit more than Colosseum as a kid, mainly because the Pokemon you get access to are a lot better. Also, I like that they give you an Eevee at the start of XD, and then allow you to choose which evolution you want for it fairly early on. If they ever make a follow-up to these games (unlikely, but one can hope), I hope they do that again.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

We'll do XD someday

i'm surprised coming back to this just how much sunflourish actually looks like what scovillain ended up being

@ImportedCheese

7 ай бұрын

That's because they STOLE my OC!!!!

Despite your warning, You inspired me to play through the entire game again😂 Have you considered making a video like this for the sequel to this game, “XD: gale of darkness”? There is a more expansive roster, more expressive characters (imo), and although you usually don’t cover this in your videos, it features possibly the most challenging post-game AI battles in any Pokémon game, featuring competitive gen 3 doubles teams (in smogon’s words). Love your videos they always make me laugh!

@ImportedCheese

9 ай бұрын

We'll probably play it this weekend

This is going to be glorious… Son, bring me my bike… We’re going on a trip through the sands of time themselves! Also, Chadbreon… Funny. I’m waiting to see how long you’ll take to put it in the C tier for its availability only, since its offenses and even supportive capabilities are terrible.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

There is no C tier. This game is too awful

I have never heard a roster of...well, anything described as anaemic. 10/10 commentary as per usual, sir!

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I lost a lot of blood trying to survive thos game

General Amelia is suboptimal, but at least isn't an active liability like to use a Grass Type in one of the worst games to be a Grass Type. There isn't enemy Swamperts as far as I remember, so using Grass attacks most of the time is just using poor man water attacks that is resisted for half of the types in the game.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Sounds about right

Still v proud of coming up with that Sunflourish pun

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your contribution!!

I want you to keep the THIS THING IS HORRIBLE joke! It's a meme and memes make a channel famous!

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Uh only if the pokemon are actually horrible tho

Please try out some romhacks sometime! I would like to hear your thoughts on an in-game tier list for Pokemon Fools-gold, in particular.That game re-arranges every pokemon to be a different type with new movesets as well.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Pokemblem will probably be the first rom hack we do a list for

I thought Yanma evolved in gen 3 so in Leafgreen I trained one up to level 80 before I finally realized he was stuck being Johto’s finest.

@ImportedCheese

5 ай бұрын

Dunsparce got me back in the day in gen 2

You know, according to rumours Dunsparce will soon join the Johjoke squad.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I can't trust a leafblade knock off!!

nice vid as always and really liked the pokemon tcg cards as visual aids

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

the cards are really pretty!

Tbh I do feel you're undermining Surf a bit in this game, might be half power being a spread move and all, but Helping Hand is a thing in this game (you get it right away with Espeon) which boosts it back to normal 95 power. Plus with Stab and the Mystic Water you're most likely going to KO both mons you're fighting at the same time with any of the water types you get it with (even Quagsire), since enemy teams suck lol. It makes grind sessions in the colosseums way faster, and the entire Mt.Battle section with the Cipher Admin Entei guy a complete non issue since most trainers there has rock and ground mons. Quagsire in particular also gets Yawn which helps with catching, honestly a really good strategy with this game is spamming Helping Hand Surf or Protect Earthquake with Espeon and Quagsire and then Reflect Yawn for stalling catches (most shadow mons have physical attacks). I do think overall Quilava Espeon is probably the better duo since you're probably gonna be KO'ing everything turn 1 but the water types are definitely a good alternative for an Espeon team mate. Dunno how I feel with Umbreon and Skiploom above Quagsire, Skiploom is faster but it's only big niche is sleep powder and not much else, good for catching but not so much for damage. Umbreon is kinda in the same boat but worse I feel, good for taking hits but what is it gonna do after? 60 power Bite or Faint Attack? Doesn't have any moves that can sleep or paralysis to make it really good for catching, it kinda has a similar role to Bayleef in that it does medicore damage and that's it. Meanwhile Quagsire has sleep for catches and Stab Surf and Earthquake, only real thing holding it back is it's speed which is why I wouldn't put it higher then anything above Meditite. Good tier list though otherwise! A lot of the mons in this game wish this was a gen 4 game lmao, no physical/special split, no gen 4 evolutions and gen 3 learnsets kill a lot of them.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

You can definitely stack multipliers to make surf good. Water types can't keep getting away with it

You know what this video made me want to see in a Imported, Premium-Quality Cheesy edition? A Pokemon Stadium tier list! Like, seriously, if there's one game with a more garbage roster than Colloseum, it *has* to be Stadium's rental roster. And i really want to see you put it on Blast Burn!

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Uh maybe...no promises tho

Espeon is definitely top tier, Umbreon probably B or so? Being bulky and low power may sound bad, but helping hand can support your damage dealers and sometimes it's better to face tank shadow rushes when snagging is your top priority. I remember doing a pure Umbreon Espeon playthrough years ago and it was notable that Umbreon's primary moves were Return and Toxic lol.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Wish it actually had helping hand...

@EZog58

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Wait, it doesn't? Swore it did! Yeah, that's not great for Umbreon at all.

@Mr._Ultracool

Жыл бұрын

Umbreon can still be pretty solid, though. If you teach it Moonlight, it heals a ton of HP which, coupled with its amazing bulk, makes it pretty hard to actually kill and thus a great choice for capturing an opponent's 'mon

i will say, when it comes to tank pokemon, a good case can be made for having it as your side pokemon while you spam earthquake or magnitude if you don't have a flying type or w/e [good example: umbreon can take a couple before you need to swap]

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Just protect with a good pokemon!!

This was my first Pokemon game, ended up with Bayleef I think because Ash had one. I remember playing the game a lot (I used only Meganium and Altaria and grinded them both up to Lv. 100) but don't think I ever finished it somehow. When I got Ruby later on it was like eating restaurant ramen after only having packet ramen all my life, "ohh, this is what it's actually supposed to be like?"

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

yeah...barren game Thematic to a desert region!

"Is it the Dawn Brigade?" "No, it's just Murkrow"

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

You'll like the next upload

Wow this was a really good one! It felt at times just like what I'd imagine an iono stream would look like and it was really fun! The voice actress for her killed it too! Shame iono can't swap she could've won some of those if she could but fair's fair... she doesn't swap so gotta play as she does it

@ImportedCheese

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! Don't worry, I fixed Iono for GameFreak! kzread.info/dash/bejne/i3-hqbWkm82chco.html

ok dude hands down the best pokemon colloseum upload and exectly what I was looking for. 👍 and Im not crazy the slugma takes longer to purify I have confirmation. wth

@ImportedCheese

4 ай бұрын

Daring youtuber SLANDERS beloved classic for EASY VIEWS

"Quagsire stats are...hopeless, they're so mad" actually killed me 🤣

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Quagsire is like Clefable where everything is great except its stats

@joshtheryuk

10 ай бұрын

​@@ImportedCheese To be fair if we got Min-Maxed Clefable i think it might be a bit broken lol

If triple kick had triple Axel base power could be good, a 120 base power stab could be pretty good

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Technician triple kick finally viable?!

Hyper mode should be reimagined as something more useful like if you achieve hyper mode that's when Mega's Dyna's and Z moves become available just don't make it cheap. Should make if feel skill based and rewarding to activate.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I dunno the hyper mode mechanics, but I think a hack called XG makes shadow pokemon actual killing machines, Cipher still hasn't worked out the kinks

I love this game and always will but respect others opinions even if I disagree. I really enjoy the tier lists content so thanks cheese for the awesome video!! Looking forward to the next tier list like maybe the xd tier list!? 🧐

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Uh after we do an XD playthrough! So uh...a while away. Much better roster

Alright up next it's time for gale of darkness ratings. I don't remember this one well enough to be confident that it was good but Gale of Darkness was good and I will fight you over it.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

You won't have to fight me because I agree with you!

the mix of Japanese language jokes with fire emblem references is such a perfect formula for me personally, very funny viddeo

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

All of my videos are like that!

17:30 you also can't transfer anything over until beating the main story IIRC, since there's no badge mechanic around controlling traded pokemon. 26:40 hilariously, the speedrun utilizes Taunt. Because Enemy animations can't be turned off, Taunt is the closest you can get to skipping animations early on, and it's ends up faster to use it + have Espeon attack than have Umbreon faff around with Bite.

@ImportedCheese

6 ай бұрын

Well at least you can disable animations in modern pokemon games, right?

Something i find funny is that when i faced Evice as a kid he was damn near impossible(mostly because i was underleveled and half my team sucked but hey this is colosseum)but as an adult i faced him again and my Hitmontop demolished half his team by himself…it actually had an adamant nature which was the only reason I decided to use it.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

triple kick gaming?!

@redrazorx-23

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese nah i gave it Brick Break

All I really came out of this video with was a craving for lemonade.

@ImportedCheese

11 ай бұрын

Cost efficient!!

Colosseum reinforces my belief that Gen 2 had the worst overall selection of new Pokemon in the franchise

@ImportedCheese

3 ай бұрын

Hey that's not fair! You could use the Kanto pokemon in Johto

@redjirachi1

3 ай бұрын

​@@ImportedCheese Fixed the typo

Would love to see you do this for XD Gale of Darkness

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Uh maybe someday, we'd have to do a playthrough first

@draconichero3474

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Can't be any worse than what you just did for Colosseum, right? I mean, at least from what I remember you can purify much earlier in the game and you get 6 different typed Pokemon (including Hondour if memory serves) (looks it up) Yup. I was right. Plus, you can evolve your starting Eevee into whatever you want of your choosing, so I'm sure you'll have comments for that. Regardless of how long it takes, you always find a way to make things entertaining. You have a wonderful brand of unapologetic humor and I salute you for it XD

Having just played this again as an adult after 7 year old me, I can confidently say this is a really good game for those that have the capacity to enjoy it, but is a torture experience for plenty others. The game is not for the faint of heart, it tests your skills and patience even with glitches, but it’s a very novel concept and it was very satisfying to beat. Loved to see your opinion, though!

@ImportedCheese

Сағат бұрын

I am very patient. This game must be destroyed

im having a hard time deciding which fighting type to choose between medicham and hariyama for my playthrough. which one would be better? my current team is: espeon quilava flaffy quagsire vibrava (i will catch it when i get to this point)

@ImportedCheese

Ай бұрын

I suggest playing a different game Hariyama I guess

@humu936

Ай бұрын

@@ImportedCheese wdym play a different game? is it that bad? lol

@Queterra

4 күн бұрын

@@humu936Nahhhh it’s fun. He hates it and that’s valid, but I absolutely loved it.

@ 46:32 I’m curious if you’ve seen Chuggaaconroy’s LP or at least the video on his compilation of Misdreavus just not being affected by things.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I have not, I just replayed the game before this list

@RedDragonForce2

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese I understand. And sure, Misdreavus isn’t the best Ghost Type out there, you said it yourself: AI is that bad. Also, calling Pokémon bad just because they aren’t sweepers or able to beat other Pokémon in 1 or 2 hits is just wrong. This isn’t competitive.

@ThePe5e

Жыл бұрын

@@RedDragonForce2 He mentiones this pretty much every tier list and also did here. A pokemon is bad in the context of the tier lists if it does a bad job of getting you to the end of the game in a resonable amount of time. Not that it can't be done with those. They are just worse or straight up bad at doing it. If one mon needs 3 or more turns to knock out most mons and another one only needs 1 or 2, then it's pretty clear that the first one is just bad in this regard. This isn't a competitive PvP list but it ranks mons on their viability. Ranking mons that do worse lower should be obvious.

1:26:46 this man predicted Scovillain

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Psychic type?!

I can't believe you'd say these hurtful things about Bayleef unsubscribing

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

No room for you on my team anyway!!

45:00 Dying laughing at this Quagsire part, great edits in this video. Sometimes its nice to have someone rip the nostalgia bandaid off a game you love...although to be fair, it's not Colosseum's fault Johto pokemon (in gen 3) are so terrible.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

At least quagsire is legit good in compeitive where offense isn't everything

OH MY GOD THIS THING'S HORRIBLE!!! -imported cheese every time he sees a gen 4 evolution in a previous genoration.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Domestic Cheese hates the gen 4 evos and loves the base forms

It's really interesting to see a tier list for a game I haven't played. I also had absolutely no idea this game was structured the way it was, with no wild pokemon. Sounds like a train wreck of an idea. Good stuff Cheese! If you had one pokemon from tier "Bad" or lower to give a buff too, who would you pick?

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

uhhh slugma, pls give it..............something

26:09 I beat the Orre Colosseum maybe twice and nope'd out of Mt. Battle after the story required me to be there. That explains how I got to the Greevil battle with level 50 Pokemon I guess.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

G A M E P L A Y

jolteon in xd is s tier Vaporeon in xd is a tier Espeon in xd is s tier Flareon is b tier Umbreon in xd is b tier

@windwaker0rules

Жыл бұрын

Vaporeon is worse than Umbreon because no surf, it's best move is water gun until hydro pump which is unreliable

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

uh are you lost

@darthmaul5413

Жыл бұрын

@@windwaker0rules Vaporeon gets Water Pulse by tm at Area 2 of Mt. Battle

@windwaker0rules

Жыл бұрын

@@darthmaul5413 that still not very good, you have less offensive presence then seel and shellder. And lack even the bulky defensive utility of Umbreon just spamming helping hand

Ah yes, my favourite legendary dogs, a lion and a sabre tooth tiger.

@ImportedCheese

Ай бұрын

SICK of the pedants!!

Your content is so fucking good I think I'll sub to the patreon

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

You should do it!! Pay2Win?! You don't win anything...but you can be in the videos!

56:10 "who weeps for Quilfish" says the man with a Quilfish pfp and 3 Quilfish emotes on his channel

@ImportedCheese

10 ай бұрын

One qwilfish emote has been retired....inconvenient!

That Jehovah's Witness pamphlet at the end broke me, that was so funny, and the Hymn of the Faith playing in the background, priceless. Not sure if you've played Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, but if you have, it'd be cool to get an in-game tier list of one or two games from that series. There's a good variety of pokemon, mechanics that are different and interesting, and it's the sort of game that would be hard for people to know 'what's good' unless they've ran through PMD a couple times.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I played PMD once, I'd probably have to again to make a list.The preamble would also be like......an hour long

@formy52

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese hmm, yeah, it probably would be a lot of effort. We'll, I'm sure it'll come round between now and the end of the time. I'll just bide my time until the inevitable Pokemon Conquest tier list.

@genesis7838

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese also, at least in explorers, you can't bring extra party members for most story missions and every other mission is easy so the list would basically be "this is the starter you want to reset for"

@athath2010

Жыл бұрын

@@genesis7838 which could be fine for a shorter video! maybe the pt. 2 could (only) cover the 3rd/4th wheels who're actually worth getting, with the others not even being tiered.

@ultimapower6950

Жыл бұрын

@@formy52 Yoshimoto is Johto’s finest Warlord in most circumstances

Great video, Monsieur Fromage. I've been crying laughing at your tier lists, I'm so glad I found them 😂 I really wish there was an option to disable healing items in battle. Recover, Synthesis, Wish etc deserve more love during in-game playthroughs. That way, you don't have 5 moves (4 for attacking and a heal to full) and you couldn't beat the game in a coma. Sure, you can restrict yourself but it'd be amazing to have a more challenging experience without having to enforce it yourself. I guess hoping that Game Freak gives older players quality of life changes is like hoping they'll finally do anything for singles players 😔 I have to know, if anyone has even mild experience in Pokemon and is choosing to make an easy (in most cases) game easier with healing items, why? Why do you do that? I'm genuinely curious 😂

@ImportedCheese

10 ай бұрын

They never provide difficulty options

@TheScruffyFox

10 ай бұрын

@@ImportedCheese barring the fleeting "challenge mode" during Gen 5, which was the closest we ever got, you're right, Seňor Queso, and I highly doubt that'll change. If only... Thank you for the reply, good sir 👍