SHOULD FUTURE SIGHT BE HIGHER AND FRUSTRATION BE USED TO COUNTER DITTO?! SCROLL DOWN TO FIND OUT Yes but pls still comment, I need the engagement, thank you for watching. Chat argued for Future Sight to be higher AND someone mentioned Frusration countering ditto, I cut all of that! TOO PREMIUM!

@JFarenci

2 жыл бұрын

It's all a big cheespiracy. You've been putting 1 to 2 moves in the wrong tier on purpose so we'll comment on it all this time! Wake up mareeple!

@DepressedMicaiahASMR

Жыл бұрын

8 month later comment for engagement

There is one game where Attract is one of the best moves available: Pokémon Red/Blue Rescue Team. That game doesn’t have genders, so Attract always works. Oh, and the odds of being unable to move were increased from 50% to *100%*. It does wear off now… after enough turns to kill any non-boss… and most bosses. Since Attract is a near universal TM, there’s basically no reason not to run it.

@BurgerFred1

2 жыл бұрын

Tfw Skitty is unironically the best starter pick

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Spinoff tier list?!

@glurak888

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese yes you dairy dummy, do a playthrough of rescue team sky

@alexandergordon648

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese ABSOLUTELY

@WeebJail

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese spinoff game tier list?! pikachuu genki dechuu s tier game?

frustration actually has somewhat of a niche on pokemon showdown if you end up fighting a ditto. say you're a normal type sweeper, you set up swords dance and are prepared to sweep a weakened enemy team with return. choice scarf imposter ditto can cut you short, it'll copy your boost and uno reverse card you with its own return sweep. HOWEVER if you run 0 friendship and frustration, the default friendship on showdown is the max 255, so the enemy ditto is very likely to be max friendship, preventing an enemy ditto from doing any damage via frustration. and because frustration is the exact same move as return, you effectively lose nothing in the vaccum of a simulator where you can always have a max power frustration. i actually lost because i didnt know this once, and tried clicking frustration on my ditto.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds... FRUSTRATING AHAHAHA Someone did actually mentioned frustration wrecking ditto, but it got cut from the premium. ...Probably should have left it in.

@pandatwink5256

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese appreciate the pun, it was honestly more funny than frustrating though haha. one of those things where i was like "why did my stab frustration only do like 3%? ....oh my god."

Fun fact, Rivalry, a normally useless ability, was actually used in Worlds at VGC on Haxerous specifically to kill the Genies. The guy using it only lost to Ray Rizzo, so it was obviously pretty damn good.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Is rivalry useless? It's inconsistent but at least it gives a pretty nice passive boost

@josephhanicak7922

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese The problem is that just like it gives you a 1.25x attack power against the same gender, you get 0.75x against the opposite gender

@loudwhispre9406

2 жыл бұрын

Ray Rizzo actually knew the Haxorus had Rivalry, because his opponent had made it so far through Worlds, so he changed the gender of his non-genie pokemon to be female, so the Haxorus was basically stuck with -30% damage, and thats how Ray Rizzo won.

@josephhanicak7922

2 жыл бұрын

@@loudwhispre9406 More or less. I wouldn't say it was how he won, but it definitely helped. The Genies were the main target, so even just taking them out is worth the team slot by itself. They were broken as hell lol.

I think your filler tier is a very good idea. There are lots of pokemon moves that are learnt in the early game and they're meant for the early game. Or need to be used by pokemon with limited movepools. It's a very good tier list I think.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Let's! Filling!

Uh it looks like I accidentally used Belly Drum twice so I guess I'm dead now rip

Baton Pass even works with no-boost fast Pokemon. It allows faster Pokemon to switch after the opponent switches because it's a move, not a switch. It sounds pretty niche, but if you have baton pass you basically always push it instead of switching.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Banned!

That future sight at the beginning actually did give me psychic damage as a Fire Emblem fan

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

At least conquest has good gameplay............!

Some pokemon will use Blunder Policy + Zap Cannon for the combo of raising their speed by +2 if they miss or just paralyzing their opponent if they land. Either way, they're going to outspeed their opponent in the next turn. Xurkitree and Porygon-Z can attempt to sweep with this combo in singles.

@tdawgmaster1729

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, Blunder Policy. I tried running it with Hustle Dracozolt with Bolt Beak. It hit when I didn't want it to, and didn't hit when I needed it to hit. Blunder Policy is ass

It's funny you talked about mean look and spider web in the more competitive context because I remember figuring out I can use my Crobat to mean look the roaming legendaries in Heartgold (they didn't disappear from the game if they used roar in that gen) when I was 10 or 11 and thinking I was an evil genius that just had outsmarted the game. For me that move was among the best just for that fact alone. It was especially great because I could brag about my big brain strats to my friends at school and just feel like a badass as they expressed their amazement at my discovery lmao. Also, this is completely unrelated but the miltank "HP battery" you mentioned in the video was just hilarious to me for whatever reason.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Pokemon and schoolyard bragging, name a more iconic combo?!

Fun fact: It took me way too long to come to terms with the fact that in gen 2 Shadow Ball is a stronger go-to attack on Umbreon than bite or feint attack, especially when you get Curse involved

@maxwellbrown4049

2 жыл бұрын

In the ultra hard romhack Crystal Kaizo I figured this out and it let Umbreon counter damn near every psychic and ghost type in the game, smacking their typically weaker defense stat and sometimes getting creamy stat drop hax

@BlazingKhioneus

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxwellbrown4049 plus the fact Umbreon has better attack than special attack

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Pokemon Colosseum moment?! ...What else are you gonna use in that game, guess I'll attack with Umbreon...

@BlazingKhioneus

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Stadium 2 moment, actually.

@handanyldzhan9232

Жыл бұрын

It was great for Flareon before it became special.

As a diehard Gen 2 fanboy, I sincerely appreciated the BellyZard shoutout.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a charizard shill

Little side note with Beat Up. Dugtrio uses it on offensive teams in Gen 3 OU if you can guarantee the 2hko to blissey since with very amount of SpD (or none, i don't remember) you survive Ice Beam. It is still a niche move but it's a small detail you forgot to mention!

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Beating up a trapped opponent...no honor!

I always left the sacred ash on my Ho-Oh's because I thought it boosted the power of sacred fire. If only.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

If Sacred Ash were like Soul Dew it would defs be banned

@tdawgmaster1729

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese But Ho-oh is already banned...

Can I just say I absolutely love this channel so much and it’s so criminally underrated for the amount of effort you put in the videos

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Susan will acknowledge us someday, maybe now that we've banished livestreams to a different channel

Return stands out the most to me, still one of the best normal moves to this day. I wish frustration was dark type though because who actually walks around with Pokemon who hate you?

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Why did they remove it

@TheAuron32

Жыл бұрын

are there any Pokémon with abilities like Pixilate that can learn it? getting STAB and type bonus on it would be devastating.

@StefanIsReal

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheAuron32 Mega Pinsir and Mega Salamence used it to rip through everything

I once had someone gigabrain me by using scary face on their partner pokemon to outspeed me in a trick room set I was running But mostly I think the move is just for pokemon that want speed control but don't get thunder wave, or don't want to deal with the 90% accuracy of thunder wave. Pretty niche

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Is that gigabrain?! Or just a waste of a turn

@NotAFakeName1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese it won them the game lol

I would honestly put Future Sight at the top of Niche/bottom of Staples, because I hardly ever see a Slowbro or Slowking not run this move.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

People in the chat were saying it should be higher. Even if they're right, I will never admit to being wrong.

@ghengiroo4143

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese based

@dajjukunrama5695

2 жыл бұрын

Imported Chief for office!!

Notable use for future sight is breaking stall. You future sight, teleport into a wallbreaker, and with the combined force of both the future sight attack and the incoming hit you can bust down a lot of pokemon that would usually stop individual wallbreakers. Removing a key line of defense is often match winning against defensive strategies. Meta-defining in the context of stall heavy singles formats.

@josephhanicak7922

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't work in gen 2. Teleport doesn't switch out the pokemon until gen 8 (And in let's go games). Also, pretty sure that it's used more in stall then against it.

@JFarenci

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephhanicak7922 This tier list is evaluating the value of moves holistically across all generations. The moves being evaluated are those introduced in gen 2, but doesn't consider only their use in gen 2.

@josephhanicak7922

2 жыл бұрын

@@JFarenci I hadn't watched very far into the video lol. I missed the part where he explains that.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

It's at the beginning!

@JFarenci

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Sure, but an audience that's already commenting before even the 1st minute must be good for the algorithm right?!

I found your gen 1 tier list video after seeing if i could remember every gen 1 move the day before. Throughout that 3ish hour video, i found myself loving your commentary and cheery attitude. You rock man! Subbed!

@ImportedCheese

11 ай бұрын

Thank you! Let's! Encore!

Remember when Teddiursa was among the most useful Pokémon in XY, not for its competitive battling prowess, but its utility in game? It had Sweet Scent to lure in the hordes, Bulldoze and Rock Slide to take them out, and the Pickup Ability to get any items. The hordes were a source of EVs.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I...do not remember this Ursaluna has great stats tho!

Yo just wanted to say great video! I've been feeling like absolute crap cause sickness and struggling to pass out but you just have this certain vibe that makes me feel good and also helps sleep. Idk, wacky scenario but I wanted to say keep up the good work!

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! These videos are for B A C K G R O U N D vibes. Get well soon!

Attract is such a great move. This move saved me so many times in Pokemon crystal Kaizo. 95% of the Pokemon you face are male. This works well in gen 2 where you can only have one status inflicted on a Pokemon. I used a female Kangiskhan with Attract, Toxic, body slam and Substitute. Sweeped everyone.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

maybe it's ok in hacks, but in all mainline games it's sad

@0001aardvark

Жыл бұрын

I had an Attract Delcatty in Snakewood, and I can confirm the majority of Pokemon were male there too. It was basically only female characters who had female Pokemon. It also got Beat Up in that game so King's Rock plus Beat Up plus Attract was able to cheese past a lot of bullshit.

There is another very relevant use of protect in singles that wasn't mentionned. Basically, you can use protect to see if your opponent has a move that can kill you if you stay on the field. It's deceptively good on pokemon with double weaknesses that some pokemon exploits specifically to counter them. For example, a lot of pokemon in gen 3 OU have hidden power grass just to beat Swampert, but Swampert can use protect to see if their opponent have Hidden Power Grass, and then switch out. The same goes with pokemons like Heatran or Lando T for example. Not only that, but by using protect you can also see if your opponent has the intention of predicting a switch-in or not which can lead to crazy mind games you can take advantage of, but that's more complicated stuff.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Let's! Scouting!

Beat up actually has its uses in gen 8 ou. Both Weavile and Bisharp run it because it is the highest base power dark move in the game. It could also be used with kings rock shenanigans before kings rock got banned

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Knock off tho?!

Dude I know this video is a year old, but I’m so glad you made these PREMIUM edits, they’re gonna keep me entertained on a long flight, you rule Cheese

@ImportedCheese

5 ай бұрын

There's many more PREMIUMS, you gotta watch them all

If I remember correctly switching out have +7 priority and pursuit on a fleeing pokemon has +8. Fun fact: if used on a pokemon that have used u-turn it loses the priority but it still hit the pokemon trying to leave (I've lost my beedrill because of this)

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

That is a fun fact! Not for beedrill, I guess

28:12 encore is actually one of the best moves in game depending on the game youre playing like, if youre doing a nuzlocke of a difficult rom hack, its a contender for the best move in the game

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I usually don't consider nuzlockes

Love your content. I started watching you a few days ago and have been binging your pokemon tier lists. Also *Loves Meganium* you speak the truth about my favorite dino flower. I wish there was a way to buff it.

@ImportedCheese

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! what was the first video you saw? fairy typing pls

@angelofbubbles7623

10 ай бұрын

@@ImportedCheese The best rentals for Pokemon Stadium 2. Also yes pls fairy is good very good

Icy Wind is underrated AF. I always thought "weak" attacks with guaranteed speed drops are really neat, because they can be chained into a stronger move to do extra damage. It works best on mons with average speed (slow enough to benefit from it, but fast enough for it to matter). My Feraligatr could handle anything after that move. Slow down overleveled dragons to finish them off with Ice Beam, do a number on fast annoying psychics with Bite after Icy Wind, yadda yadda. I like Rock Tomb for similar reasons, although its accuracy can be shaky sometimes.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Good in doubles I guess

One thing I would give Vital throw is Brawly in gen 3. Having a 75 power always hit move that early on is brutal. In my water-type monotype run, he wrecked me so bad. I was not grinding at all and I had like 3 pokemon with me(mudkip, lotad, and azumarill) and none of them could stand up to his Makuhita for long. Absolute hell of a fight. Would recommend.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I guess I was just TOO GOOD at pokemon, I hear all this stuff about Brawly (people defend Sableye because of Brawly) and I don't think he's ever hit me once ever He should train harder.

@gayrozayppeli8431

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Lmao. I never once lost to Brawly before this and it was humiliating. For the record, it was JUST his Makuhita. It really goes to show how powerful Abra and Tailow are. Edit: I should mention your premium edits are getting better. IT really doesn't feel like you were streaming and you're probably the only youtuber I know who managed to make the conversions from stream -> video work so well! Keep it up!

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! The Gen 5 PREMIUM edit probably left too much stuff in, so I've been very zealous with what I cut, to the point where now people are mad because I cut out important points! Whoops

@gayrozayppeli8431

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese F. I think it's a learning process. And I'm glad you're taking the time to try out new ways of cutting!

Great video. Found out about the channel through this and watched a bunch of other ones

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I mainly do tier lists and Gen 1 glitch videos, I hope you find them worth your while!

Future Sight is actually a really legit competitive move on Teleport Pokémon in Gen 8, most notably Slowbro and Slowking as you said. Future Sight turn 1, Teleport turn 2, switch to a physical attacker whose switch-ins are more vulnerable to special and/or Psychic-type moves, and hit ‘em with a one-two punch on turn 3. Very effective

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

TWO previously useless buffed moves?! Truly in the spirit of S L O W

Swagger is 100% meta defining over the course of its life span. You even mentioned it was banned, but it also was one of the strongest things pokemon with prankster could be doing in doubles. It got nerfed, and arguably was the reason for prankster and confusion nerfs. If you ever want to see true pain, watch Aaron Zheng's top four 2013 worlds match against Ryosuke Kosuge.. yikes.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Such skill, much outplayed Gamefreak pls.

@letsplaytodayusa

2 жыл бұрын

Swagger got banned from UBERS in Gen 6.

Been waiting for a new video! Let’s gooo!

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I just made a video on Friday! KZread pls show my videos

I was surprised you and the chat didn't talk about lite ability when talking about return. Mega Salamence love that aerilite Return.

@dajjukunrama5695

2 жыл бұрын

Or frustration, in fact preferably frustration because of Ditto exists

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

It should have been mentioned! Return still great tho

I was there for the Livestream but looking forward to this PREMIUM EDIT

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I hope it was worth it!

@treyparkerofficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese always is

A bit late to the party but I remember that a discovery happened in Gen 3 where switching can reset sleep counter. So now there is an Aerodactyl set in Genn3 that runs sleep talk without rest. It takes spores so nothing else has to sleep the rest of battle.

@ImportedCheese

9 ай бұрын

sleep talk whirlwind crobat!!

Thief can also let you steal held items from the (very few) trainers that have held items, which can be moderately useful in some runs to get items you otherwise might not be able to.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Really?! I didn't know you could actually steal from trainers. Pokemon Colloseum?!

@nlb137

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese I don't know about any useful steals in Colosseum. I'm mostly remembering it from a HG challenge I'm working on, where I'll be stealing a Black Sludge from Koga (because I want as many pseudo-leftovers as I can get). Without stealing strats (I won't be using Thief specifically because it's a no-damaging-moves run) I can't get one until I get the nat dex. Also provides a repeatable source of actual leftovers in the 16 badge rematch, but idk if that's terribly useful when I'll have beaten everything but Red at that point.

@Leet-iz2fz

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese In HGSS, the only guaranteed way to get a Light Ball is stealing it from Red's Pikachu. You can also farm wild Pikachu for it, but that's a 5% chance of a held item on a Pokémon that's already super rare.

@heavystepthewarrior

2 жыл бұрын

You can also get as many leftovers as you want by using thief on snorlax and then allowing it to cause you to white out. Take the item off and repeat. Give your money to mom to not lose it.

Very nice premium edit! Can't wait for the gen 3 edition

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I remember you commenting on the pace of the Gen 5 ingame list dragging, so I hope these more aggressive edits are on par with the lists I made on my own!

I have a feeling Ghost was made physical in Gen 1 because Psychic types (at least the ones in Gen 1) don’t tend to have good Defense, so it was intended to nuke the Psychic type. After all, they are only obtainable thanks Silph Co., which Team Rocket takes over, and the strongest Pokémon in the game (the one Team Rocket would be most interested in getting and that may be why they are in Cerulean to begin with) is Psychic type. But… they screwed up and glitched the typechart lmao

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

At least ghost nowadays is ridiculous

Outrage tends to be set up fodder after fairy types were introduced

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

It would be if Outrage continued against immune opponents, but you can still switch

I'm actually really glad you shouted out FalseSwipeGaming, they're a great channel

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

They're also charizard fans!

Technically because most Pokémon are either 87.5% male 12.5 % female or standard 50/50, there’s a slightly higher chance your opponent is running male Pokémon (plus them lustful genie men) So if you’re going to run attract, female is the premier option. If you trap and then attract opponents (especially paralyzed ones) you can pull off some fun shenanigans. Good video! Updated to fix percent

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Still bad move! But...less bad?

That was an amazing night for me. Sushi with friends and Cheese post dinner!

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for always keeping the bots at bay

@LordRemiem

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese it's a honor to serve under daimyo Cheese o7

I FORGOT ABOUT POCKET SAND lol, a+ laughter. thank you.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Ground is a good attacking type!!

Ghost curse is useful ingame if you are fighting with higher leveled or bulky pokemon and your attacks cannot 1 hit ko and use curse and switch to stall.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like a lot of work, but I could see it

Frustration is actually a good choice over return for one exact reason: ditto. Since a ditto copying your mon will not copy its happiness and most ditto run max happiness for copied return, so running frustration frustrates Ditto slightly.

@ImportedCheese

11 ай бұрын

True pokemon showdown tech! ...Bring back return

Love those chill covers of Pokémon music you often use. Any specific artist behind them?

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

there should be links in the description, but I dunno if it's one artist in particular

Rollout and Fury Cutter have a real niche in-game, since NPCs aren't very smart and you can set up a battle to start rolling out at first, weaker pokemon and absolutely demolish their ace in the back. Rollout has the advantages of type and being boosted by Defense Curl, Fury Cutter has the advantages of not locking you in and being able to continue for longer than 5 turns. Their accuracy murders their usefulness though, especially for pokes that don't have Hone Claws.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

That's uh....something

Fun fact: There's actually a niche Aerodactyl set in Gen 3 that uses Sleep Talk without Rest. It uses only two moves: Sleep Talk and Whirlwind. It takes advantage of the fact that moves used with Sleep Talk _ignore_ negative priority, so it can just keep phazing the opponent and racking up hazard damage. Big Yellow did a video on obscure strategies where he talks about this set: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZqWkyLSdnqW_f7w.html

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

virgin aerodactyl vs chad crobat

@movezig5

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese I only just now noticed they have the same base speed, so yeah, Crobat would also work.

Aerodactyl used AncientPower in GSC because it had to use Hidden Power for Flying STAB. Horrifying. Also in an absurdly depressing turn of events, Kangaskhan sometimes used Attract in GSC because it's forced to be female while max DV Pokemon are forced to be male.

@ImportedCheese

10 ай бұрын

At least Charizard had a real flying STAB, right?!

Really cool list, the only thing I would think is Sleep Talk is a little low (it's better than Mirror Coat, surely?!). Admittedly, I'm biased as I've always had a soft spot for Crocune-like sets. There was also the point that Sleep was once so prevalent, I think some Choice Banders (mainly Heracross) ran Sleep Talk without Rest just to act as a sleep absorber.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

There was the giga cheese sleep talk and whirlwind crobat set! Completely useless if you weren't asleep, but if you switched into a sleep move, you could spam whirlwind for entry hazard damage!

Snore Jirachi was a funny meme set I saw a KZreadr using. Spam Cosmic Power until you can use Stored Power, between Resting and flinch-fishing with Snore. Hilarious win condition.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

That does sound hilarious lol Not very good, but very funny

I used Sandstorm in the early days of Gen 8 on some stall teams. Ferrothorn normally runs spikes, however in the early gen 8 OU days people were way overusing Heavy Duty Boots. So, after rocks, I'd throw off a sandstorm to get chip on the 5 heavy duty boots mons to get that switch chip. It's not good now, but I mean, you asked if anyone ever had a use for sandstorm the move.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

They should interview you! "World's First Sandstorm User Tells All"

@Cracky003

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese "uh yeah, it worked pretty good for a few days, then I remembered Tyranitar existed"

Beat up king rock weavile is actually pretty good. I think that'd be enough to bump it to at least filler tbh

I miss being able to straight up solo some teams with my Comfey in Gen 7 RU. Sun boosted Z-Growth, Priority healing with Draining Kiss and Giga Drain, and Hidden Power Fire for steel types and the like.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

RIP hidden power

I bet at least half of the garbage tier moves would be universally viable for both casuals and veterans if the moves in question were given an in-battle and out of battle effect/ buffed, or given more accessibility alongside abilities that pokemon would benefit from; example we give shuckle fury cutter , you could use rest and toxic, but what if you wanted to shake things up a bit. What if frustration was BUFFED with the ways to increase happiness being more restricted so that you could play a more niche, yet unexpected playstyle. Thief could be a dark type acrobatics in effect and everything, but loses power if it either already has a held item or steals it form the opposing side. Zap cannon, inferno, and Dynamic punch with the third being an exception thanks to No guard machamp, more pokemon should have access to abilities like no guard or are similar, such as magnezone with zap cannon. Twister being dragon type hurricane, except it's buffed to either 50 or 60, and does double power in weather effects , making it deceptively wimpy, but with unused weather types like say hail or sandstorm it gives those effects and twister more versatility. Future sight is a really bad move on it's own: what if we made it a bargain sale psycho boost without the stat drop? multi hit moves such as triple kick could stay as it is, and be given to pokemon with technician, or make it a fighting type rollout: it starts with base power 60, has maybe 80 accuracy so it's not super busted as you immediately see it do 120, followed by 180. and lastly my last examples are steel wing and metal claw, i'm sure these were made for non steel types for type coverage, metal claw is a weaker meteor mash essentially. If we can have a move like power-up punch where it guarantees an attack boost, we make metal claw and steel wing a boost in buffing their respective stats. rock smash pretty much sucks except where it has a 50% chance to lower defence, so we make these moves increase to 50% chance. Low damage moves will only be really useful in tandem with special abilities or the pokemon themselves, if more moves were made versatile, theoretically powerful, it might give everyone a reason to use.

To add to safeguard: sometimes Volcarona in gen 8 runs safeguard on its sweeping sets so it can beat defensive Pokémon

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure people mentioned the regional winning gmax Charizard with charti berry and ancient power.....so technically ap would be niche I suppose

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Someone did mention it!! Not in as much detail, but they said "Charizard uses it"

Bro encore is insane in-game. Even better than in competitive. If you can predict and lock the AI into defense curl or something you can easily set up for a sweep because they basically never switch

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

it's useless bro, enemies are so weak you don't need to setup, just click strong moves lol

@mattdeluccia153

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese Fair enough man. I always play with no over-leveling, no items in battle & what used to be called set mode. If you play that way, encore is at least A-tier 🤷🏻‍♂️

Great way to spend a lazy Monday morning

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your contributions during THE LIVE!

Gen 2 competitive is like visiting your grandparents at a nursery home.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, at least my grandparents have stories to tell me

14:05 multi hit moves can be nice for set up strats to break through sash and sturdy edit: though obviously this one in particular is still outclassed by bonemerang lmao

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Only really for skill link users tho

Can we at least award Future Sight giga meme status for that Bulbapedia article

@ImportedCheese

5 ай бұрын

I'm sure nothing will change in gen 10

20:20 i always thought curse makeing u slower was a reference to the power of the curse mark being too heavy.

@ImportedCheese

2 ай бұрын

Too poetic

I dont remember if I was here for the live stream but I wish i was the person who "well ackshully" 'd the fun fact about Present in Gen 2

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Blissey in shambles

So glad someone else immediately thinks of Dire when Cross Chop comes up

@ImportedCheese

10 ай бұрын

YOU FELL FOR IT!!!

Scyther with Technician running Fury Cutter is deadly. I’ve swept many teams with it.

@ImportedCheese

2 ай бұрын

but it's still a bug move

I can't believe I didn't comment this at the time but Sleep Talk is occasionally used on Choice sets that are only using one move or so, or have a STAB move that's just way better than any coverage you could run. Especially if there are a lot of good sleepers or one big one like Darkrai in pre Gen 7 Ubers. Examples include choice Latis in Gen 5, Specs Vanilluxe with Blizzard, Freeze Dry, Sleep Talk and no fourth move. Similarly there's a Xerneas set with Power Herb and Geomancy, Moonblast, and Sleep Talk with no fourth move, since Sleep Talk can't call Geomancy.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

sleep talk whirlwind crobat

Sweet Scent can actually be used on Contrary mons to bypass Evasion Clause.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

HUGE strats?! ...Sounds like you could do better things with Contrary lol

Attract: 50% chance to lose your turn until you or your opponent switch out. Yes, if the Pokémon youre attracted to leaves the field, youre no longer attracted, so even worse than confusion in spite of gender and return damage limitations, your opponent is forced to stay in for that 50% chance to miss your turn.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Trash!

About Attract: it works based on gender, and only in gen 2 gender is decided by attack dv:s (dw/16 < gender ratio = female), attack dw:s influence how much confusion damage is meaning special attacker want low attack dw:s while physical ones still need the power. All this means attract could be used by a female physical wall against all the male physical attackers. yup. meta defining move right there.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Outdated mechanic!!

35:00 huh, for some reason I always lumped up Foresight and Odor Sleuth with Mind Reader and Lock-On as "make next move bypass accuracy" moves. TIL they're actually even more crap, since the latter at least have a niche use of hitting OHKOs and the like.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Not like anyone uses any of those four moves anyway!!

nice haircut. I put it in B Rank. It's outclassed by your old hair style but it does still well. It will get you through a day.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

It has lower Appeal stats, but it no longer debuffs my Fire type resistance

1:32:22 Dratini line in gen3 get Twister as their only Dragon move until Outrage at like 50+lvl. It's painfully bad.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

Well....at least Dratini is kinda supposed to be bad for a while

spite is a move that saves you if you made a mistake. because sometimes you just can't come back from certain mistakes. If you are in game PvE and you have accidentally let a snorlax set up belly drum and you don't have any answer to it's bulk and it's set to sweep you, if you have a ghost type pokemon, you can spite away all of it's attacking moves rendering the belly drum worthless. This is an example, and this very rarely happens because most people who make that kind of mistake don't think about that level of strategy, or the player wouldn't make that mistake to begin with. still useless, but at least it is possible for it to have a use

Future sight definitively didn't see that coming.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't either, the full argument with chat was several minutes long

i literally had no idea future sight did damage until now because i never saw any pokemon using it live to do damage lol

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Don't tell the other commenters! They'll come after you!

@WeebJail

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese they wouldnt do that, youtube comments are generally rational people

I remember Foresight being the reason people using Warturtle in NU back in Gen 5 and I think it was also a reason to use Rain Dish Blastoise over the significantly better the better Rain Dish Tentecruel in OU that generation. Also Ash used it against Ghost Types so Cyndiquil can hit them with that iconic Tackle attack. two generation after Giga Drain got buffed, Energy Ball became a 90 Base Power move. Probably because GF realized "Why is this just 80 Base Power?" Can you imagine Pinsir actually got that one evolution which is basically Heracross and Pinsir merged? Poor thing got cut and lost Megahorn in the process... It was that one moment it could have been a Pinsir Signatur move even for just 1 Generation.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine dying to a foresigh cyndaquil tackle lmaooo

@zander2758

2 жыл бұрын

foresight has also been used by hitmontop in several gen iirc, so it could always get the spin against ghosts.

funny thing about foresight is that hitmontop used it in gen 4 UU for rapid spinning, he was that good at clearing hazards that some people would run 2 ghosts to keep him from doing it... Not enough to move tiers but I thought you should know this.

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I'd rather use ODOR SLEUTH

@EsoiTheGrumpyMawile

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese sniff > sight

I love how he says "can someone suggest a clip for the premium edit" and then chooses the suggestion that was clearly the exact clip he was quoting

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

I am very smart

44:53 also worth using back then, not because it was all that good but because you didnt really have that many other options

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

There really were shockingly few moves

Attract is only for when AFTER your Miltank's Body Slam procs Paralysis and BEFORE you start spamming Stomp

@ImportedCheese

5 ай бұрын

Sounds like a GIMMICK

I didn’t know about the raikou and blissey, I’m gonna

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

gonna...what?! The mystery!

Speaking of hard fangames, Technician Fury Cutter on Kricketune is how you get past the first gym of Pokemon Reborn really easily.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Kricketune was also usable in DaiPa remake! Early bug buzz?!

Bone Rush is pretty useless, but Bonemerang can be used as a Ground STAB option to break Substitute. Still Niche, but it works.

I got hit with the endure hitmonlee combo right as he described it.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I told you it happens!!! ...rarely

There was literally a point as a kid (which obviously didn't last long) where I thought Faint Attack was some kind of One Hit KO move lol Like you can't have that spelling in a game where your Pokemon also faints.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Good thing they changed it, only took them...a decade?

The only instance I've ever seen Frustration is a trainer in the battle mode variant (outside of story mode) of the Tower Colosseum in Pokemon Colosseum who used a banded Swellow with it for some reason. Needless to say as a kid who didn't understand much about competitive battling (band, ivs, or evs) I thought the move was pretty busted. Kind of a shame Snore got buffed in Gen 6 where Togekiss lost its Normal typing. You thought T wave and Air Slash was bad, imagine it paired with the longevity of Rest and Snore dishing out decent damage and flinches while healing. Of course it could still do this pre Gen 6, but 75 power as opposed to 60 goes a long way when talking about Normal coverage on a defensive Mon (even with good base offense).

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I think people use Frustration in battle simulators because then a Ditto that copies you won't be able to use it if they have friendship maxed, wow

fun fact about the shop keeper in Links Awakening, he will empty ALL 16 heart containers AND go through the full health potion, meaning he does 32 hearts of damage, THAT WE KNOW OF!!! Strongest attack in zelda history and its a f**king DREAM!

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE STOLEN

Attract had a counter-meta gimmick niche in Gen 8. Beyond the genies starters like Incineroar and Rillaboom are 7/8 Male as is Urshifu. Since the best comp VGC are mostly male a female Attract user can hit most relevant threats. Ideally it forces a switch into a worse matchup or forces a big threat like Landorous to miss 50% of its powerful moves if your opponent is down to their last 2 Pokemon.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds....really specific

@piratebear3126

2 жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese I’m a sucker for weird specific strats. Like Quagsire checking Zacian or Weezing + Regigigas to cancel Slow Start.

Re: Frustration Ghetsis' Hydreigon has a max power Frustration to further indicate that he really is a monster

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын

What kind of monster runs a physical (non coverage) move on Hydregon?!

@jadethenidoran

Жыл бұрын

@@ImportedCheese insult to injury!

random comments on videos say that pursuit was cut from gen 8 because it was too good against psychic and ghosts and made them less useful. I feel like that's kind of faulty logic. cutting a move because it might be a problem for some critters when stuff like stealth rock exists. and some dark types lose viability for not having access to pursuit. idk. giga drain was actually meta defining in my own personal meta of what pokemon and moves are good in casual game teams because grass is my favorite type and giga drain is a cool sounding move that heals hp while damaging. it's the kind of move I'll always use if I have the chance, even before gen 4/5 when it got all the buffs :)

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I think it might actually have been cut because of programming issues, since it's the only move that acts AS an opponent switches

Not going to argue that Beat Up isn't niche, but it's worth noting that the "Beat Up on your own Justified sweeper" strat was a lot more viable in Sword/Shield since with Dynamax you could get a +4 boost while taking negligible damage.

@ImportedCheese

11 ай бұрын

Sword and Shield and D*namax tho

i remember teaching zap cannon to my espeon in silver as a kid because arceus said espeon gets no moves.

@ImportedCheese

6 ай бұрын

It certainly is an uh....electric coverage option...

I like future sight. In battles, people will be sending in a pokemon that will counter slowbro, and probably wouldn't be weak to something like psychic. But in 2 turns, you likely have something else in, and they will likely have something else in too. It could be hard for them to position themselves correctly so that in 2 turns they will both be ok with future sight, and their opponants attacks in the same turn. and even if they do, they will take a lot of damage and might even be KO'd by the pokemon they counter. Its pretty low risk to use, rarely going to be a wasted turn. Whereas lots of pokemon like ferrothorn would eat psychic for breakfast, a Tapu Fini or Lando sent out against your ferrothorn counter will probably feel something from future sight and could end up in a position where they could be in trouble, which would take a chunk out of their ability to counter your team.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

I don't have to future sight to make such plays

@cielbie8251

2 жыл бұрын

​@@ImportedCheese To hit one pokemon with 2 seperate attacks of 2 different types in the same turn in singles? Impressive

Pretty sure that Lugia's main set in gen 2 Ubers is curse, and that it does use Aeroblast.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Luigi is a mario character

I would not put Outrage in meta defining. Maybe for Gen 4-5 but after Fairy Types came, hardly anyone used Outrage in singles. In Ubers I don't think any Pokemon uses it except Zekrom... And with any Generation it got used less and less. Like Gen 7 only had maybe Zekrom use it and if you used a Z-Move.

@ImportedCheese

2 жыл бұрын

Naw Outrage is definitely meta defining, they had to add a whole type just to try and stop it

40:04 Flattened? I think nuked is the word you were looking for

@ImportedCheese

Жыл бұрын