TIMESTAMPS: 00:57 - where is Jonathan and why is the Internet ‘bad’? 01:53 - Dave’s ice dance shirt + Jonathan’s high kicks 03:04 - ISU Awards discussion *sips tea* **GPF Senior Men**: 10:09 - Yuzuru Hanyu situation (coaching situation, Yuzu’s practices, performances, and mentality) + comparisons with Nathan 29:17 - Nathan Chen ft. Vera Wang, Evan Lysacek 33:17 - old skating VHS of US Nationals ft. Deanna Stellato 34:39 - Kevin Aymoz 36:03 - Dmitri Aliev 37:46 - Mikhail Kolyada 38:13 - Dave’s friend Emily Alacar, at a clinic with Aliev 39:30 - back to Aliev 40:10 - Alexander Samarin 40:26 - Boyang Jin **GPF Junior Men**: 40:33 - Shun Sato + Yuma Kagiyama 40:46 - Daniil Samsonov 41:43 - Daniel Grassl + Italian fans **GPF Junior Ice Dance**: 42:30 - Avonley Ngyuen & Vadym Kolsenik 42:49 - Maria Kazakova & Georgy Reviya 43:30 - Loicia Demougeot & Theo Le Mercier + vague tweeting and comments **GPF Senior Ice Dance**: 44:07 - Madison Hubbell & Zach Donohue ft. the fur coat 46:47 - PAUSE. 47:27 - back to Hubbell & Donohue 50:01 - Marie-France Dubreil: Political Genius ft. Zhulin, judging panels, Hubbell & Donohue vs. Chock & Bates 59:00 - overall discussion on the field + Gabriella Papadakis and her friendships with the 2 Madisons 1:00:47 - US ice dance Nationals 1:01:13 - Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron + Alysa Liu and being ‘outside’ the sport **GPF Senior Pairs**: 1:08:20 - Kirsten Moore-Towers & Michael Marinano 1:15:00 - Aleksandra Boikova & Dmitri Kozlovskii 1:16:40 - Anastasia Mishina & Aleksandr Galliamov + Daria Pavliuchenko & Denis Khodykin 1:17:45 - Russian pairs, the coaches, and their Nationals 1:18:31 - Gracie Gold and Ksenia Stolbova (1:48:55 - Wenjing Sui & Cong Han) (1:49:57 - Cheng Peng & Yang Jin) **GPF Junior Ladies**: 1:19:29 - Haein Lee 1:19:50 - the non-Eteri girls: Kseniia Sinitsyna, Viktoria Vasilieva + discussion on the impact of the short program in this event 1:21:30 - Daria Usacheva 1:23:41 - Kamila Valieva 1:24:02 - Alysa Liu ft. skating skills, Eteri and Kostornaya 1:27:21 - Eteri and Valieva ft. Ted Barton 1:28:14 - ISU’s livestream and commentary with Ted & Chris 1:29:35 - 1999 Sasha Cohen and Jenny Kirk 1:30:11 - upcoming TSL discussion on Ice Wars **GPF Senior Ladies**: 1:30:33 - Alexandra Trusova + Eteri’s strategy 1:32:17 - Rika Kihira ft. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva (1:32:49) 1:33:32 - back to Eteri’s strategy ft. Liza Tuktamysheva 1:34:25 - Anna Shcherbakova + Anna’s 3F vs. Aliona’s 3F 1:35:41 - 3As 1:36:18 - Alexandra Trusvoa 1:38:19 - Rika Kihira 1:38:56 - Bradie Tennell 1:39:22 - back to RIka 1:40:11 - Aliona Kostornaya 1:40:47 - Anna Shcherbakova ft. her dress change, 4F 1:41:46 - the Russian ladies’ jump training with the bands 1:42:30 - Alina Zagitova + the interchangeability of Eteri’s girls + Kostornaya’s sustainability + can you be successful if you leave Eteri? **Other (including skipped skaters)**: 1:47:33 - Carlo Fassi was right about where skating will end up…is it still the same sport? ft. Hanyu, Nathan 1:48:55 - Wenjing Sui & Cong Han 1:49:57 - Cheng Peng & Yang Jin 1:50:20 - general discussion on the GPF 1:50:46 - US ladies: Bradie Tennell, Alysa Liu, Mariah Bell 1:54:52 - Closing

@maverickstarchild

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent!

@vicserra2485

4 жыл бұрын

THANKKKKKKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUU¡¡¡¡¡¡ really this is really good for us¡¡¡

@anusharasalingam7712

4 жыл бұрын

I’m with Dave - Papadakis/Cizeron are competing as skaters, and the whole we are too artistic to bother with skating requirements is a load of bs. But what was more egregious that their marks didn’t reflect Gabi’s fall out of her twizzle. I mean there’s some real politics there.

@MrChaseBlue

4 жыл бұрын

Anusha Rasalingam ehhh they’ve been scoring like 88-90 all season. It was their lowest

@Eeyora1

4 жыл бұрын

Are we sure Nathan’s shirts aren’t for Vera Wang’s Kohl’s Collection?

Guys, I really love listening to you but I realized something today, you have such a deep view of figure skating that goes so far back and see this new "age" of skating as a different sport. But, as a recent fan who got drawn in at the '18 Olympics, this new era is normal and thrilling and there's so much to love. I do look back at videos that Dave posts and search individual skaters to see their past performances but it seems almost strange to me...and I'm 64 and have watched figure skating off and on for years! Really neat to compare one's perspective with others!

I am finishing my college/history thesis at this very moment while listening to this and that. I typically do not write many comments but I just want to say thank you so much for what you do. It's great to see a channel that loves this sport and is not afraid to say what it thinks. It is refreshing and I always look forward to seeing these videos. Thank you both and Happy Holidays!!!

@asmart7101

4 жыл бұрын

Oscar Valencia I second your opinion on them

@bright_horizon

4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree! This channel is amazing. Thank you so much!

I thought Yuzaru was gravitating towards Ghislain because he looks like a real life Winnie the Pooh . 🐻

@Jumblebelle

4 жыл бұрын

Alexandra Sydlar oh no now I’m going to see him as Pooh always lmao

@Xosidhe

4 жыл бұрын

MelancholyRoses Look up the backstage moment where Yuzuru pats Ghislain’s tummy. You’ll only see Pooh from that point on. 😂🐻🍯

@lwinaye4617

4 жыл бұрын

That must be the reason 😜

@Sarah-qj6tu

3 жыл бұрын

omg. the great revelation

Dave's drink of water during the Papadakis Cizeron discussion was gold.

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

goldburnm 😘😘

"It was a bit of a carrot cake" Iconic.

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Cornelian ❤️

@gymerin

4 жыл бұрын

That was everything!

Warmed up some cookies, candles lit, wine in hand- I am ready for my personal gala!

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

TheSaintbx ❤️❤️❤️

Actually, regarding Hanyu's quad axel attempts there was an interview last night with Japanese media, and according to it, after the short program, he knew he was not going to win this time so he just wanted to accomplish something else at least, rather than just lose there. And there wasn't a coach to stop him as we all know, so he thought maybe that was the moment for him to try the axel even though he KNEW it might have caused serious injuries or lost his stamina for the next day's competition. He said he was really frustrated after his short, and it seems that it's just his own way to deal with frustration. He surely does want to win every competition, we all know that he's really intense and competitive, but after gaining the title of two-time olympic champion, there must be more than just 'winning.' Maybe it's a two-time-olympic- champion-and-still-remaining-as- a-competitor-after-that thing. Most of us could hardly understand how he feels because he's the only skater who is doing such a thing.

@wyllizi

4 жыл бұрын

There's another point that with his capability (like the sophistication and refinement talked in this recap) and all that he has accomplished, he now is on a way that no one else can get even closer to him at least in the next couple of years. I mean, at least, we should appreciate his presence in the competitions and more ambitious goals still to achieve.

@bonnie9131

4 жыл бұрын

@@wyllizi Clearly everyone appreciated Yuzuru's presence. Yuzuru's last surgery was very complicated. He needs to think about fighting another day.

@wyllizi

4 жыл бұрын

@@bonnie9131 I totally agree with you, and he has to think about his every practice session carefully in the future. What he wants to achieve right now is even harder, he gotta control himself no matter what. As he said in the interview, he likes rivalry and competitions. I believe it really is the time for him to plan carefully to gain the balance.

@akas224

4 жыл бұрын

lf l was Hanyu, i say good by to lsu. it's not worth fighting.

@SilenceHurtsMore

4 жыл бұрын

@mish098aimer yes you are totally right, Japan does not care for him, I think Yuzu has realized with his GOE and PCS si obviously watered down, that he cannot beat politics, even if he can beat any and I repeat any skater in the current field

Women's figure skating is sad now ☹️ women's skating isn't women's skating if only 15/16 year olds can do it. In this era, Carolina Kostner wouldn't even have a chance. How sad is that?

I don't think Alena has insentive to change her flip technique. It gets amazing heigh and GOE. Some of the best jumpers (i.e. Ito) have had leg wraps, so it doesn't seem like something to change.

I’m still traumatized by “Big Spender.”

@ReginaFarfalla

4 жыл бұрын

Kelly Heafy Mullen i dont think russians listen to the music the way english speaking people do, but more to the rhythm

@courtneysokal6590

4 жыл бұрын

ReginaFarfalla No excuse.

@cyrielle_

4 жыл бұрын

@@ReginaFarfalla they're giving these programs for international competitions, so the meaning of the words /movie... Should be taken into account regardless of whether the skater understands the lyrics or not.

@vesnaklanac4437

4 жыл бұрын

@@cyrielle_ that's why they opted for an instrumental version. No words and so only the music matters. Besides, not only English speaking people watch figure skating. Imagine an Asian skater choose a Japanese or Korean soundtrack. You would not have a clue what is it about.

@JackAShepherd

4 жыл бұрын

TRAUMATIZED! Apropos of that, I recently rewatch Kaetlyn Osmond’s no-lyrics Big Spender SP... It is *brilliant*. Lance Vippon (?) did such a masterful job incorporating the Fosse choreography

It must be extremely hard for Alina to find motivation to practice at home because her skating rink back in Russia is basically an Olympic training ground. When you've already won the Olympics and everything else possible it's hard to skate alongside these medal hungry girls who dream only of going to the Olympics. And skating with coaches who have the new philosophy that you need to train a quad if you want to be successful. How can you go to practice every day when you know you won't win another Worlds or Olympics and your coach only cares about training skaters to be potential Olympic medalists.

@ReginaFarfalla

4 жыл бұрын

Zita Balogh she was happy in short seen her face there? Her face changed after the fall she was devasteted

@Sennagod

4 жыл бұрын

​@@atiz4073 That was a stupid post. Quite embarrassing really.

@birdtiredoflife5360

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sennagod Wow how dare they post their opinion on a PUBLIC comment section. Truly the work of the devil having an opinion. The utter disgust. How can you call yourself an Alina fans when you're completely chill with the fact she is clearly suffering? Her skating and her jumps worse of all are dipping in quality and its clearly affecting her confidence. How can somebody skate for joy when they are falling apart? Looking at her face after the FS and during her speech at Gala when she announced she couldnt skate at the Gala, it was heartbreaking. You cant skate for the joy of it when you quite literally cant skate due health, injury, emotional or mental reasons. Alina is clearly having more fun at that Sleeping Beauty ice show she is a part of than competing.

I actually think it’s so great for Nathan that he can do his skating and college because he’s spending a good chunk of time outside the world of skating and all the (sometimes toxic lol) fandoms. Tbh I could imagine his Yale peers having intense focus on grades/recruiting and maybe that potential influence to divide his attention/where the pressure is, is a good thing? Happy to see the two top guys having what looks to be a healthy friendship though

@marikafasola8771

4 жыл бұрын

yuzu psychos says that he doesnt really study....

@happyapplebunny

4 жыл бұрын

Marika fasola ? that nathan does not study?

@marikafasola8771

4 жыл бұрын

@@happyapplebunny yeah, thay yale college let rich or succesful in sports kids not study , they mean that nathan is not really a student..

@cede2412

4 жыл бұрын

@@marikafasola8771 These 'fans' obviously are Nathan haters but you're the same as them. I saw your rude and hateful comments under Yuzuru's videos:)

@marikafasola8771

4 жыл бұрын

@@cede2412 lol psycho hanyu fan !! my hateful comments concerned his skating , asthma and his fans, so explain yourself fo ryou hate is explaining that he doesnt do flip in 4t3f combo lol grow up.. i am sick of hanyus so called " greatness" , he is not genius skater and i am entitled to my opinion!

I’m SO happy for Chock and Bates! They rose to the occasion and really earned it

@mlomarechal7214

4 жыл бұрын

Yess .... je trouve qu'ils ont fait un choix de danse intelligent. Et ils sont beaux !!

yuzu's quad loop and lutz were stunning

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Ann Fotlyan 💯

@onigiri3572

4 жыл бұрын

Dave, do you think you would consider doing a judging video where you personally score Nathan and Yuzu's FPs? Maybe in the lag time between Nationals and Worlds? I kind of understand the anger behind the Fanyu vandal when someone gives that 4Lz a "1". Also, do you think the ISU just always wants to reward a more obviously heterosexual style? Does Yuzu need to wear a vest or cardigan? I know Nathan just wants to be comfortable but that shirt riding up his stomach during spins can't feel good. I think I like his mom's handiwork better after all. Who knew it could get worse? @@TheSkatingLesson

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Oni Giri it is hard because NBC will flag and take down everything.

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Oni Giri they love to watch this channel. I will have to figure out a creative way to do it.

@onigiri3572

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson That would be amazing. NBC is such a downer. My life has changed since I figured out how to use a VPN. I'm Dutch now!

If you have a way, please ask Nathen's team to find a better custume designer!!!

@ellanoellil

4 жыл бұрын

Nathan costume is fine and comfortable, fits him perfectly

@jjh2456

4 жыл бұрын

Nathan hates those tight fitting costumes. He wants to feel comfortable on the ice so going back to those tight costumes is no longer acceptable for him.

@lindashultz2794

4 жыл бұрын

Jose Hill - And he’s not a glitter and glitz kind of guy!!!!

@AmoreOf

3 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that he said his mom made these shirts not Vera. Guess he generally prefers a baggier fit. He should just use more spandex in the fabric and get a tighter fit.

Yuzuru Hanyu said in one interview that since there was a 12 points gap between him and Nathan, he knew it would be very difficult to win even doing 5 quads in the FP, so he wanted to try the 4axel. It was an important competition for him because of the GPF was held in the 2006 Olympic games arena, he was without a coach to stop him, he wanted to use the energy of all that it was happening to push harder the 4axel practice. He wanted to accomplish something, even with the risk of injury. And about the coach situation, everybody who follows closely Yuzuru Hanyu knows very well he is closer to Ghislain Briand, I see Yuzuru and Ghislain Briand joking around often, they seem to have a very close relationship. Even for gala practices who is with Yuzuru is always Ghislain Briand. I heard he helps Yuzuru with jumps, and it is what Yuzuru most needs to evolve at this point, I think. I remember in one interview, a couple of months after the Olympics, Brian Orser said that he had a talk with Yuzuru to know how he should help him from now on, it must be hard for Brian Orser to coach a two-times Olympic champion. Maybe Ghislain Briand can help more Yuzuru at this point. But I don´t believe he will leave TCC since Yuzuru said he likes practicing with elite skaters, it motivates him.

@erikathompson5404

4 жыл бұрын

While I think Ghislain can help him on the technical, Brian still knows Yuzu very well personality wise and has been able to help him psychologically. Brian helped him get is head in the right space during 2017 Worlds to come back and skate the free skate he did. Yuzu has zero chill and I think Brian is able to help him reign it in when it matters. Though Yuzu managed very well in the free despite the popped axel considering it was his first time going for this layout and he'd only even practiced a 5 quad layout once. He probably still sees it as progress.

@erikathompson5404

4 жыл бұрын

@mish098aimer He said it was because of that and because he was absolutely exhausted.

When Jonathan tried to get away with the time change excuse and Dave wasn't having it? LOL. TSL, you're the best.

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

goldburnm 😘😘

Nathan will never go back to those tight outfits. They will be loose fitting as they are more comfortable for him to perform in.

Never clicked so fast!!! Was literally checking all the time ever since you posted on Twitter that you’re uploading it!

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Olga Ivanova enjoy!

As far as I know, fanyus are claiming NOT that Nathan's overscored, BUT Hanyu's underscored. Hanyu deserves to be treated rightfully. Just because he's been in this sport for about a decade and now in the older side doesn't mean he should be pushed away by the judges. I know there has been a certain trend towards "rising star vs. veteran," but that just doesn't justify the ridiculous goe for his 4lz and 4l, or -5 for the 4t combination in his free when he didn't even fall down. I seriously hope ISU stops doing that. I don't want him to feel lonely and decide to leave competitions not because he lost ability but because ISU makes him to. He's so precious and I, as a fan of his, do want to see him compete as long as possible. One thing though, I want him to bring new programs for both short anf free next season, well if there is another. Maybe the repetition of his programs might have affected judges. If he makes up his mind to go to Beijing, I want him to bring the "winning" programs, not just tribute programs to his idols. I hope to see new, fierce Hanyu until the very end.

Neither Trusova nor Yuzu can do a six quad program without all of the quads (excluding axel). You can only repeat one quad maximum. So you can’t do two quad lutzes and two quad flips/loops. For example Chen said that now to do a six quad program he would have to bring the loop back.

Nathan is the real thing!

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

He really is!

I read that they made the decision for Ghislain to go with Yuzuru, it wasn't a choice because Katerina is preparing for Polish nationals and so are the other skaters, Evgenia and Jason. That makes more sense since Brian is the head coach and has a lot more skater than just Yuzuru. I think there is drama but not with Ghislain going to the GPF instead of Brian.

Dave's face when Jonathan says he liked Evan's costume...lol

"WOW ETERI HAS SUCH A MANICUR..OH SHIT" yup, that's how we all felt about both things.

@027dramaqueen

4 жыл бұрын

im confused what's this about?

@marian12mexico

4 жыл бұрын

@@027dramaqueen Dave's Instagram story when they scored Zagitova(:

I stumbled across this channel by chance earlier this year and really enjoy the commentary and insights that you guys put out there for us. I almost never comment on posts, but I wanted to add to some of the things that were being discussed about Yuzuru Hanyu. I am very much an amateur skating fan but living in Japan, I get to see his interviews in Japanese too and he actually provided the answers to some of the things that you discussed here. 1. I agree that the 'solo' kiss and cry was not a play for sympathy. Hanyu had every reason to be confident going into the short program after his two near perfect performances in the series. He was genuinely shocked at his own under-par performance and said quite clearly that it had nothing to do with the absence of his coaches and everything to do with his own ability. 2. He also admitted that he was practising the 4A because, after the short, he thought that he couldn't possibly win. Performing in this particular venue had special meaning for him as it was the place that his idol and senior, Shizuka Arakawa won her gold medal at the Olympics. He said that he felt that he needed to do something to leave his mark and that was why he decided to let all hell loose and practise the 4A.....he also quite honestly added that if his coaches had been there, they would most definitely have stopped him and told him to concentrate on the competition at hand. If you follow his fans on Instagram...they were for the most part crying out for the coaches to get there and stop him before he did himself serious damage. He also admitted that it's possible that he fluffed his usually perfect 3A because he'd been practising the 4A,....that and the fact that he was totally drained after the 5 quads. 3. As for the comment about having 2 olympic gold medals that some people have mentioned....the background to that is that he has always been clear to the media that getting 2 olympic golds was his dream. After he achieved it, he said himself that he would have to rethink his goals.....he says that he has now found it. He wants to be number 1 again. I don't think it was arrogance. I think he was just trying to steer people away from his past achievements and towards his present level and goal. His English is still not that great so he doesn't really express himself that well....it's a huge contrast to how he speaks in Japanese because in his own language, he is seriously well-spoken and thinks about every single word that comes out of his mouth and the impact that it will have lol. 4. Finally, it's true that he was totally hamming it up for the audience at the end of his performance.....but considering that a huge percentage of the audience is Japanese, I think that it's kind of expected. He said in his interview that he was proud of himself for doing the 5 quads and successfully bringing the Lutz back into competition..and for fighting for the best result. He's still pretty pissed that he didn't win though lol. So, those are my observations. For the record, I also loved Nathan's routine this year and he thoroughly deserved the win. He was a truly gracious winner. As for the coaching situation, it hadn't crossed my mind that there might be trouble with Brian and the choice of coaches so I was really interested by your ideas on that. I'll look forward to seeing what happens and hearing your take on things. Sorry for the long comment!

@dianahutchinson3770

4 жыл бұрын

This is awesome, thank you for giving us an insider understanding of what Yuzu is saying in Japanese. Your explanation did help us comprehend what happened this weekend with Yuzu. Thank you very much!

@zhuqi9877

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Yuzu is more rational AND emotional than most people out there. And he always does everything for a reason. I just hope that he can adjust accordingly after this GPF. As he said, it was a very fruitful competition in many ways.

@Sarah-qj6tu

3 жыл бұрын

well said. true.

Ice Dance 44:15 - 50:15 Hubbell/Donahue 50:15 - 59:00 Judge politics and Marie-France 59:00 - 1:08:20 Various topics 1:08:20 Switch to Pairs discussion

My fight is delayed im literally in the airport laying on the carpet at almost 4 am watching your video haha

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Travel is Life safe travels

There was an interview with Brian where he said Yuzu was wild when he first started training with him, he had to reign him in and keep him in check. I feel like we definitely saw Yuzu a bit unchecked in this competition, for better or for worse. After all, this is a boy who said his skates are more important than his life. I think the fandom to a degree fules his ambitions. As the interviews stated... He considered jumping 4A after the short program knowing if the coaches were there they would've stopped him. He said he apologized to himself while making the attempts understanding full well it might've caused him injuries. I have a love and hate relationship with this part of personality. I think we also need to understand Yuzu is deeply emotional, he said he listens to sad songs to cry before a competition just so he can reset his emotions, that really goes to tell you how intense he is internally. I think competition is one place where he can unleash those intimate parts of him. I hope again and again luck is on his side, so even when he's making these wild choices he will be spared from injuries detrimental to his career.

This Grand Prix final in both Junior and Seniors showed how exciting the ladies field is, and how the men's fields are kind of a mess. I'm loving seeing the depth of talent in the ladies fields. Guys, get it together (except for Hanyu and Nathan of course)

@leerevelle9844

4 жыл бұрын

Aymoz wasn't a mess he fell on a quad attempt,otherwise he skated pretty much to his capacity which ain't bad.

@lwinaye4617

4 жыл бұрын

I want to see Shoma, Kolyada and Boyang up and running.

I recently watched a short documentary on Yuzu about the 2016-2017 season when he was really focused on quad jumps (I think it was a quad loop but I'm not sure). The general thing was he was losing PC scores because he was messing his jumps and forgetting about skating skills and in there Brian referred to him as "a child with a new toy" and wanted him to first train his skating skills to have a great foundation to do those amazing jumps as well. In the end, they had the talk and Yuzu listened to Brian and during practices, he didn't do many jumps bu more of the skating itself. So I think that's the kind of moment again where he wants to win so bad and it starts to get chaotic so if Yuzu gets a solid plan working forward I believe WC could be amazing. (sorry if I said something wrong I'm kind of a new fan of the sport so don't know much yet 😁)

@alexandra926

4 жыл бұрын

Can you send me the link of the documentary? I'd be interested to see it

@kmrozkowiak5716

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexandra926 It's this one "spirit of athlete" on available on KZread in 5 parts: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dJmjqc2beprRhdo.html

I think having no coach during the competition did affect him in some way. He said in a interview that he thought of why his coaches couldn't be with him.

So I am a Hanyu fan and tbh the past few days were pretty emotional for me as I get absorbed in every single movement and expression of him. So just want to thank you guys for putting things in perspective. To me he was such a fighter during that free skate and watching him like that makes me very very emotional in both good and bad ways. But tbh this GPF was a mess (from no coach to the 4A to the YOLOed free skate and everything). Of course he does everything for a reason which he actually explained thoroughly of every single thing he did (the 4A, the 5 quads FS, how no coach affects him and everything else) and he knows what he is doing. He is definitely not in his best condition for this GPF and I'm sure he knows this. I just hope that he can adjust accordingly (with the help of whoever) and continue to be this hungry

@kristenjunker1632

4 жыл бұрын

Do you think his fans would rather he keep going even if he consistently loses to Nathan (and try for another Olympic medal), or are they ok if he retires at the end of this year?

@zhuqi9877

4 жыл бұрын

​@@kristenjunker1632 Honestly he knows what he wants and if he is willing to go for 2022, as fans we will support him all the way. But he has said before that he will retire when he is not able to compete at the highest technical ability or something along those lines. I don't think 2022 is in his picture right now but I highly doubt that he will retire by the end of this season.

@iris7484

4 жыл бұрын

@@kristenjunker1632 I don't think he'll be willing to retire before securing the first 4A in international competition, unless injury forces him out. Then if and when he does it, he's going to want to secure the first Olympic 4A even if he can't win gold against Chen. This is speculation but his personality is pretty predictable in this regard, isn't it?

@lwinaye4617

4 жыл бұрын

As long as he is competing, many people will be happy see him. He is just like Roger Federer, if he thinks he has a chance to win, he will compete.

I’m ready. Been waiting all day for this

Although our wonderful TSL guys don't (and probably won't) get it: yes, they do fire people in Russia too, but they don't fire *friends/family*. The only scenario where Daniil is out of the team is if HE decides to leave.

Ghislain does work with Evgenia. He was in the K&C with her at SCI

personally, daria was the only junior lady that truly filled the rink with her presence for the free program even with the mistakes

Nathan is technically better than Yuzuru. No disrespect to Yuzuru, but when Nathan skates lights out like he did this past weekend at the Final, it's really hard to beat him. And Nathan deserves those high GOEs. He didn't make any mistakes. Hanyu did.

@troyaturner1979

4 жыл бұрын

@mish098aimer no they weren't. Especially if you take into consideration that Nathan's FS was technically harder & Nathan skated lights out.

@iris7484

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure that's what GOE really is or is intended to be. You could skate with no mistakes but still not get great goe, for instance. For the record, I think he did deserve high goe for this performance, though I personally just can't give him 5s when memories of Fernandez's perfect quads still exist in my mind, lol. It's true that Chen doesn't get a good running edge out of his quads, so I couldn't always give him the takeoff/landing bullet required for positive goe over +3. Not negative, mind you - just neutral, and he has to have those first three bullets or it can't go over +3, those are the rules. So, 1.height and distance? Check. Absolutely 100% 2. Effortless throughout. Honestly? Debatable. He frequently muscles his way out of his landings because he lacks momentum and has to crank out into his transitions. (We see Eteri's girls do the same thing a lot.) 3. Good takeoff and landing: same. Can you call it a good landing when he's landing straight on top pf his blade like that with no running edge? It's not bad, it's not negative, but is it really positive? Because of this, on quite a few of his jumps I would hesitate to award higher than +3, based on the rules. His flawless air position can't be counted without those first three bullets, nor can his steps into the jump, or being right on the music. I feel like a lot of people don't know this about GOE rules, so, sorry if I'm saying something you already know.

I do like Nathans shrirts!! He doesn’t need any shiny stones!

Hanyu still suffers from asthma, but he's 2 time Olympic champ and very matured. actually when you hear him Japanese he is always very determined. he knows about skating and competitions better than anyone else. he said his ultimate aim is winning 9 year old boy himself who never stops challenging and that's why he wanted to try 4A. never under estimate Mr. Hanyu.

I have lost so much weight thanks to you two -- everytime anything figure skating related is on I save it to do Insanity to, and your videos are so long that you're unintentionally causing me to rapidly shed the pounds (the people in the flat underneath mine hate you)

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

i disagree with the criticism of ted burton . he is doing a great job especially for many viewers who are not that big experts .

@kittycrumb123

4 жыл бұрын

Love Ted, and I even enjoyed the enthusiasm of Chris. For me it is preferable to Catty Weir and Snotty Tanith.

I did see a quote translation today that yuzuru said he tried the 4A because Ghislain wasn't there to tell him no.

@garysimmons1485

4 жыл бұрын

equinesmw ,,,does he have no common sense?

@dsfddsgh

4 жыл бұрын

@@garysimmons1485 This is the same skater that competed with a towel on his head at COC when he should have been pulled from the event after his collision with Yan Han. He fell 5 times and risked a more serious injury skating injured like that and Orser neglected his responsibility by not having him withdraw. There comes a time when the coach has to think about the well being of his skater and pull rank and not let him skate regardless if Hanyu wanted to skate or not. At 19 guys think they are invincible and are not always in their right mind and that's when the coach has to step in..

Yuzu said he popped that 3A because he was practicing 4A, and that messed it up. He also said he ran through the entire program with 4Lz only ONCE. I think the mistake he made in the short, regardless of the coach situation - was completely unexpected from everyone including himself and his team. The point gap between him and Nathan after the short lit a fire under his ass, and it led to him meaninglessly practicing 4A, and adding 4Lz into the program. The key takeaway from this event should be that Yuzu being perfect with his toeloops and salchows as usual just isn’t enough anymore with the amount of GOEs and PCS that Nathan gets now. Yuzu HATES losing. That’s what drives him, and that’s why he’s the best male figure skater of all time. I think this event further solidified that Yuzu is the one challenging Nathan now, not the other way around. That might work in his favor. Just remember the way Patrick Chan pushed him to become better and better.

I have been waiting for hours, so excited to watch. This competition was really exciting.

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Brooke Grace enjoy

Oir Georgians are 20 and 16. I am so happy we got this medal! Cant be more excited! ❣❣❣ I was so cheered up, I was jumping at home!

Delayed my wine drinking waiting for this episode. Good stuff. Opening a bottle RIGHT NOW! ;)

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Dustin Muniz let the comments begin!

@dustinmuniz9170

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been unable to stomach H/D for years....I’m just glad to see a few more people agreeing with me. I know, you still love their “skating skills”. It’s their general program aesthetic that absolutely makes me gag. On the other had, that C/B free skate pulls me in and is absolutely one of the most interesting and enjoyable free dances in recent memory. Good stuff. I’m not a dance guy though.

I was already in bed! I saw the notification and jumped to grab my laptop! By the way thanks Jonathan for the effort! And yes, we couldn't wait until monday. I am sure I was not the only one checking all the time!

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Enjoy!!

I also just wanna say it was absofuckinglutely bittersweet watching Marie France's teams go 1-2-3 in the same Olympic venue where 13 years ago, she and Patch were injured and forced to withdraw. My moment of the week!!

Thank you TSL

To Jonathan's point about KMT: I've been watching her in the K&C and she's been constantly working so hard to manage Michael's emotional states, for years now. So, to see her this week finally stop doing that was a good thing. I may have shouted, "About time!" at my screen.

@tb4522

4 жыл бұрын

Are they a couple? I got the impression from her IG they are? Nothing else explains this pairing to me. She could've had ANY male skater in Canada. But she has to dim her light to match Michael. Which makes them boring, which she never was before! She's a sparkling star, not these droning programs!

@drea09a

4 жыл бұрын

TB I thought she was dating Liam Firus?

@tb4522

4 жыл бұрын

@@drea09a I've got no idea.

13:15 How much do you think Brian Orser enjoys being a silver medalist of the coaching staff of Yuzuru Hanyu

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

I am going with no much!

@ixar23

4 жыл бұрын

@mish098aimer what about Tracy? don´t you think she has played a major role in the history of success of these 3 skaters? I honestly think she is the real gem behind this team, and I´m not trying to be disrespectful to BO or his achievements nor even rude to you

@elzakun

4 жыл бұрын

@@evanperilstein5308 Yuzu only had a 4T i and a very unreliable 4S before moving to Orser, everything else happened under his coaching. Also the overall skating skills didn't happen magically by themselves, all of that had to be taught and practiced.

@lwinaye4617

4 жыл бұрын

I think Yuzu won’t be this successful if he stayed in Japan.

David's face at 31:15 in reaction to Jonathan's 'yes' to glittery snakes on a costume. Fantastic! That expression said it all.😂 and as a lamb, I will just say this:JUSTICE FOR GLITTER!

Yuzu's quad axel attempts were just insane. He seems obsessed with being superior at every tiny thing. While it's admirable, he will end up breaking himself in half over it. Winning a jumping battle in a practice session is not as important as the big picture of 2022.

@squirrel7303

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think he cares for 2022 as much. It wasn't in his original plan but he was still too hungry to just quit after Pyeongchang. He said his main goal is the 4A and until them at the same time staying competitive for a gold and skating well, not letting his skating quality go out of the window and even try to improve it, making those damn tributes he cares about etc. (basically not making a fool of himself on the ice while at the same time he's off ice talking about a 4A). He wanted to do it since he was a kid and is obsessed with it. He'll either land the 4A then retire before 2022 or end up going to Beijing because he didn't land it yet. Or break himself in half, not do it at all and retire.

@bakedpotato6653

4 жыл бұрын

It was reckless and pointless, debuting his 4A in its current state. UR, not close to being landed. For someone who is a “showman”, the unveiling of 4A felt anticlimactic.

@janetjohn3539

4 жыл бұрын

@@bakedpotato6653 His coaches weren't there! In that way, he reminds me of a teenager with the parents gone for the weekend and the house to himself. In the same sense that every writers needs an editor, every skater needs a coach.

@SilenceHurtsMore

4 жыл бұрын

@@bakedpotato6653 I was in the practice session and it was the opposite of anticlimatic. I also thought it was reckless but I felt was Yuzu wanted to achieve there and I applaud him for that. Those jumps were astonishing!

@iris7484

4 жыл бұрын

@@bakedpotato6653 I wouldn't consider it the unveiling anyway. He went for it after the Olympics gala as well, iirc, just for kicks.

Omg these costumes are Vera Wang’s “Glitter” lol.

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Patrick 💯

@IoannisHodgesMameletzis

4 жыл бұрын

I love you guys. Epic comments on the fashion.

@troyaturner1979

4 жыл бұрын

Nathan has gone on record stating that he hates sequins (dont blame him. So do I!). It explains the simplicity of his costumes. Besides, there have been much worse costumes over the years. Like Stephane Lambiel's "Four Seasons" costume? Poor zebra. It didnt deserve that🤣🤣🤣

@SilenceHurtsMore

4 жыл бұрын

I hope Vera pays him a lot if money to wear that 'yellow cow' costume.

@militasacasa7299

4 жыл бұрын

I love Nathan' costumes. They are really " nerdy-cool". They are simple, but unique. I can easily remember his costumes. It is hard to remember when they are black or pastel with crystals and too many things.

It’s really fascinating how quick everything changes in ladies seniors. People fell in love with Alina at Olympics and now spoil the Gran Prix to Eteri and the team, blaming that they didn’t give enough attention to the Olympic and world champion, didn’t prepare and help her. They get a lot of hate and it’s no one’s fault. So we are just staying numb as you said and broken hearted. Like in fashion we had supermodels and later lots of girls, we won’t recognize now.

I wish I could have a text alert of Dave saying "lets talk about the ladies Jonathon"

Love you both for engaging in a conversation with different opinions and presenting your points to each other in such elaborated way with such passion that we can actually totally switch opinions as soon as the other speaks. Like "he's right" oh no "he's right too" oh well "they're both right" even if you have opposite mind on a subject. Awesome guys!!

The tea about hanyu. I love it ☕

2 hours guys! Can't wait to hear what you thought. Thank you so much!

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Maria Kazakova and Georgy Reviya are 18 and 20 years old. The max age for Jr men is 21. They skated two fantastic programs to win the final. They were 6th at last year's final behind both the American and Russian teams they beat here. It's exciting how much they've improved over the last year. I'm a big fan of their skating.

@vncntd3962

4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. I've been a fan of theirs since the last JFP finals. Jonathan was being a bit catty when he suggested they were too old to be competing for a junior title. In fact, it turned out to be a smart decision for them since now they have an unexpected JGP title to their name.

"Great or brave". LOL! Love it! I agree with nearly everything you both say. Thank you for being so detailed and entertaining.

Thank you Dave for your honest opinion on Allysa Lu. This GPF is the first time I watched Allysa Lu skate even though I knew she did win the US National Champs last season. I watched her programs here at the GPF just to see what the hype was all about. I was quite shocked at her skating skills compared to Daria and Kamilla's. In the SP, Allysa was awarded the same PCs as the other 2 girls which I thought was hughly inflated. In the FS again, she was given 60 which is still way overscored. Even her so called quads and Axels weren't that great either, they were squeaked in and tightly landed.

I've been watching This and That for awhile now...my first subscription to a channel! You two are great and so entertaining!

One last thing. Thank you a lot Jonathan for being here with us despite location and internet issues in HK :)

I really appreciated this video that gives me more perspective about Yuzu’s skating also about Nathan’s skating. I think Nathan is a great skater and Yuzu truly respect him. The reason I like Yuzu is never because he is a champion, I like him because of his personality and artistry. I know he will be replaced by new and stronger skater in the future, but I also know he will give all to fight before it happens. And this is the spirit we cherish.

Yayy so excited for this episode

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

I agree with you that Yuzu used to be overscored at certain points, and now they are overscoring Nathan/underscoring Yuzu. I understand this is skating politics to create super stars, attract media, fans and of course to gain profits. But But I want to say even this is the fact in figure skating now, it doesn’t mean is right. It might be a ideal thinking, but people including judges, community, media and fans should try as much as they can to reach the fair judgement. Yes it sounds like an unreachable goal but at least we should work towards this direction, not just saying it happens, accept it and do nothing about it. Cuz it will harm this beautiful sport eventually and all skaters they truly deserve this. Lastly, I remember when Javi retires he said: “Throughout my career I’ve been mad when the judges put me first after a bad skate. But I’m mad also when I skate well and get penalized. Judges have the slow motion and they can check” It breaks my heart. This is the reason why we should change the sports. I hope less and less great skaters feel the same way and leave the sports with this kind of regrets and sadness.

@pennyinheaven

4 жыл бұрын

@DOMINICK THORP Not sure if I'll get this right. It's understandable to give negative GOEs to popped jumps but to give as low as -5 for successful jumps (not cleanly landed but did not fall) is atrocious. Yuzu messed up on landing the jumps but the usual transitions and difficult entries to jumps were still there. Thus, -1 to -3 GOE at most should've been enough. He still wouldn't win but he should've gotten a higher score. There's more according to some but I am not knowledgeable to discuss them.

@celia1888

4 жыл бұрын

The thing about Yuzu's over scoring is that while he was overscored he was also underscored at the same time (and more often than not it was also the fact that other skaters aren't penalized for some stuff like using the full Blade instead of the toe pick where Yuzu and only a few others actually do the correct jumps which... OK but then skaters like Yuzu or Boyiang should get bonuses for doing it well).... So they usually balanced each other and while he could overall be overscored sometimes, the gap between his score and the one he should have gotten wasn't that big (and there were performances where he was just plain underscored). The problem here is that the gap between Nathan's score and the one he deserved is way too big. Like he totally deserved the win, that's a no brainer but that scores way too much (and then you can add Yuzu's slight underscoring, but tbh it's not even a matter of comparing the two)

@liitbro

4 жыл бұрын

@@pennyinheaven Obviously not, the one and only difficult transition in his free skate was counter into the popped axel.

Hi. I have really come to enjoy your episodes recently. As you say, I think Yuzuru will be able to win over Nathan again now that his 4Lz is back, but that is ONLY IF he is judged FAIRLY. Looking at the SP protocols, I was shocked to see that as many as THREE judges gave him only +4 for his 3A and SIX judges gave him only +4 for his 4S, when they clearly deserved +5. I was even more shocked to see that Nathan’s 4S in his LP got the EXACT SAME GOE as Yuzuru’s 4S in his SP and two judges gave Nathan’s 3A in his LP +5s. That says a lot about the quality of judging in this event. In almost all elements I felt that Yuzuru was underscored and Nathan was overscored, and in the end the little differences amounted to a lot. Looking at the SP scores for the two this season, Yuzuru skated a nearly perfect SP at NHK and only got 109. Nathan skated a nearly perfect SP at GPF and got 110. Comparing the details of the two programs, this was infuriating. The judge panel being different shouldn’t be an excuse. Jackie Wong pointed out that Yuzuru’s weakness is in that he goes for 100% when only 99% is enough. Well, I don’t blame him, he needs it to get the points he deserves. Seeing the dubious underrotation calls for Yuzuru at ACI and the judging here, the ISU’s (or USFS’s?) intention of boosting Nathan while holding down Yuzuru has become too obvious and it’s gone too far. Nathan has improved greatly since Pyeongchang. At Worlds 2019 and here, he won safely and would have done so without any help from the judges. Yuzuru and Nathan have such a wonderful rivalry, I just wish the judges would let the two skaters battle it out fair and square every time. It would make it much more exciting and will allow skating fans, including Hanyu fans, to enjoy Nathan’s talent and abilities much much more.

@bakedpotato6653

4 жыл бұрын

BV and judging aside, It seems that one big weakness Hanyu has vs. Nathan is that he doesn’t compete well against him. Hanyu’s best competition this season was at SCI, against no one who could challenge him. In comparison, competing against Hanyu seems to bring out the best in Nathan. Two clean competitions in a row against Hanyu, with this many quads, something like this has never been done before.

@akblades6338

4 жыл бұрын

@@bakedpotato6653 It was the first time in two years that Yuzuru was competing against Nathan in a healthy and well-trained condition. I think he was confident about winning this time until he saw the 110 points given to Nathan. That's probably when some doubts crept in. It's easier to compete when you know the judges are on your side, whereas for Yuzuru, it's as if his biggest competition is always the judging panel. What made it worse was that he had no coach there to comfort him.

@akblades6338

4 жыл бұрын

@mish098aimer I totally agree. Up until this GPF, I had some hope (maybe 10%) that I could see him at Beijing. But after seeing the judging here, I don't think he will make it through mentally. What a shame, because I believe winning a 3rd Olympic gold is physically possible.

@akblades6338

4 жыл бұрын

@mish098aimer My heart breaks for him because all judges need to do is give Yuzuru's 4A +4s and give Nathan's 4Lz +5s to nullify Yuzuru's efforts. I guess this intention has always been apparent in the ridiculously low BV of4A.

@mooony94

4 жыл бұрын

@@akblades6338 had yuzu skated his sp clean it would've been a world record, judges gave yuzu very high goes for his first 2 jumping passes they were generous so dont make it seem as if the judges r not yuzu's side or bs like that, U nail the perfomance and judges give u the rewards. Yuzu's problem is he knows deep down he is no match for Nathan's incredible abilities and strength and its playing on his mind, if competing against any other yuzu might still win with few mistakes here and there but with nathan he cant afford ANY mistakes and its pressuring him.

It’s like when Any Schumer posted nude and we all called her brave. lol

This and That is one of my few things I set aside for myself each week. Thanks guys for the content you create, and simply extending your passions to all of us. This episode is my favorite of 2019 so far. And Dave I do love that sweater!

Loved the analyses on the politics behind the judging. I always look forward to your videos 😊

Trusova was awarded 98 points on her FS TES with a popped 4 Sal, a fall on 4 Toe. While yuzu here landed 5 quads with a step out on his 4T+eu+3F

@Trenton.D

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, the points don't add up when you look at the rules.

@zhonglaoshi1

4 жыл бұрын

Ren I guess the judges rewarded female more. Please compare apple to apple.

@rnrbnl7097

4 жыл бұрын

@@zhonglaoshi1 and that's why we have rules and bullets for GOEs. In case you didn't know the bullets for men and women are the same. Nothing is stated on the rule book about a woman jumping a quad getting higher GOE than a man. How about judging them accordingly based solely on the rules 🤔

Agreed with everything about the Vera costumes for Nathan. How much is he paying her? Almost preferred the tie dyed shirt his mom made to a workout shirt that looks like it got bleached in the wash. And the fit does him no favors. Great recap overall, appreciated the Marie France analysis of the judges.

I have to admit that I was just suckered in as a fan for Alina after all the dramatics at the olympics . I was really rooting for her to do well . I imagine though trying to succeed in an environment like that where your best won’t ever get you a medal is pointless. Sad that the girl is only 17.

@zhonglaoshi1

4 жыл бұрын

Miss Mo if she changes nationality, she can still compete.

@rahelhorvat1471

4 жыл бұрын

yes, but that applies to all senior ladies, Bradie and Rika did well, yet remained off podium.

@cyrielle_

4 жыл бұрын

@@zhonglaoshi1 if she changed nationality, her entire country would set her on fire, she would loose all her commercial contracts. See what reaction Medvedeva got for "having the nerve" to TRAIN under a non-russian coach in a different country. There isn't much option. Either she can keep her current level ( top 5 Russian girl) and is satisfied with that and uses it to bank ice shows and contracts ( she's still Olympic champion and a very pretty girl), or she's ready to move on.

@leratomonethi4265

4 жыл бұрын

@@rahelhorvat1471 No she didn't, Rika did not have a combo in the short, she fell. Who knows what would have happened had she landed it. She also took a fall in FS quad sal

i'm working on timestamps

@CocogoatMain0501

4 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU

@josephinecashman2555

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

@anne-sophie5219

4 жыл бұрын

You are an angel, thank you so much

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

@nvadqs

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Claudia!

The ladies is almost like what happened when they transitioned from the 1990 to the 1991 Worlds and the removal of the figures. My question is are the judges being way too generous with the GOE knowing that the technique in the quad jumps are really terrible.

@Angel-xe2tl

4 жыл бұрын

i wasnt born yet, can you explain it more to me with the 1990 and 1991 worlds?

@mikelara2151

4 жыл бұрын

Angel omg 🤦🏽‍♂️. Lol. Sure before the 1990 Worlds, the first part of the competition involved Figures which the ladies had to follow patterns on the ice with their blades. This is why you had the top ladies winning with only two type of triples (toe and salchow). Midori Ito didn’t fare well during this period until they eliminated them completely. This allowed for technical skating to revolutionize the sport.

Zagitova's skates are all about mentality. She is confident and stable when she knows her TES is the highest and she can win if she goes clean even if others are clean too. Knowing she can't beat clean Eteri girls and Rika is making her give up after a mistake because she won't win anyway. I think she'd feel a lot more confident if Tutberidze actually pushed her TES content. And she was enjoying skating like she said but getting buried under new girls is obviously hurting her pride. I just wish she'd train with someone else since Dudakov doesn't seem to be working with her in any way despite making Kostornaia's 3A work after being injured all summer sooo

@athinker4024

4 жыл бұрын

But how can Eteri push Alina´s TES content when she is struggling with her current one?

@KatsumiManami

4 жыл бұрын

@@athinker4024 She doesnt UR as much as people make it out to be, she UR at her bad skates when she makes mistakes/falls which are happening a lot more recently, usually she has good height on triples but her problem is rotation speed which Eteri should be working on but as we can see dont give a f

@KatsumiManami

4 жыл бұрын

@mish098aimer She can put 3A or a quad if Liza can do it so can she. She just needs to fix her slow rotation speed.

@athinker4024

4 жыл бұрын

I am convinced that Eteri´s technique doesn´t work for matured bodies. Alina is still in the process of growing. The change in her body; especially the upper body; is quite obvious in comparison with last year. I´m not an expert but I think the only express way for her to overcome UR is loosing weight before the Nationals.

Came back to watch this. It is always difficult for champion to accept defeat, it happened to Diaisuke, Patrick Chan, it would the same with Yuzuru. He came to realize it another era is coming (5 and more quads) and he shifted to try to accomplish his childhood dream of 4A before his retirement.

After a hard day, you two make me so happy.

a fascinating grand prix final not only for the competitive drama but all the political implications as well

Thank u so very much for sharing,,love both of u always

This and That is the best way to spend the end of a weekend! Love you guys!

@nvadqs

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah! Four years ago use to be depressing and since the I discover T&T Sunday Nights were sth to look for.

Jonathan looks like an adorable woolly mammoth

When I first saw Nathan with his new costume I thought it was something loose and comfy simply for the practice session. Good thing he is good enough to not need to rely on a good costume!

@akas224

4 жыл бұрын

Nathan's designer knows what is the best for him. Hanyu's designer pursuits her own interest.. l prefer to Nathan's design.

@vncntd3962

4 жыл бұрын

@@akas224 Since when does "simple" have to mean ugly? There is no reason for this equation.

@akas224

4 жыл бұрын

@@vncntd3962 l didn't mean that. sorry as l was drunk. l just wanted to say l prefer to Nathan's. so i rewrote.

@lwinaye4617

4 жыл бұрын

Tribute to Star Trek!

Nathan has matured not just as akater so his decision making is more informed. Yazuru has a lot of catching up to do in this regard

@peterdavies2287

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed Nathan will benefit from listening he is so secure in his performances simply outstanding

Alysa Liu: Everything you said, I agree. She’s talented and has lots of potential, but her progress needs to be monitored consistently by a robust team that can address every aspect of her career. I feel like her team primarily consist of her coach and her dad with a few others, but it’s not systematic as Eteri’s school. Alysa’s team has her fly to other coaches to learn more, but is that enough? I don’t know. I think, though, that the USFD will do something about it and bring the resources that she needs. They know that she’s one of their main hope for 2022.

@tb4522

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! She needs a seasoned coach, with a team, who know what they are doing! Think about how Frank nurtured Michelle along at this same age.

@bonnie9131

4 жыл бұрын

@@tb4522 Raf

Please let's not call Alyssa's "quad" a quad...it's very underroated and it's not a quad

@jjkaykay8552

4 жыл бұрын

Ann Fotlyan it’s not worse than the other ladies doing pre rotated quads and she has landed it clean before.

Nathan clearly likes the fit of those shirts and feels comfortable in them. Last nationals VW made him that black and orange onesie that he changed out of after the practice and ended up wearing a practice outfit because it was tight and uncomfortable.

@snowangel7980

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly I like them. I mean, the color for the free maybe isn’t the best but the shirt for the short I honestly kind of like. I’m not a super big fan of these super tight and obscenely sequined up costumes.

@a9029k

4 жыл бұрын

Stephanie Lloyd I agree completely. I didn’t like the colors of either (I actually preferred the multicolor shirt from his two earlier events) but I like the style and the simple black pants / long-ish shirt combo because it’s clear he skates better in these outfits and is more comfortable compared to the fitted one-pieces. He seems to realize it’s working for him. During the nationals FS practice, when he had on that black/orange one-piece, he kept pulling it away from his thighs like it was giving him a front wedgie. Obviously you aren’t going to skate your best if you feel uncomfortable. Long live the baggy shirt!

@PeiwenTanbassoon821

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sure there are better looking comfy shirts...

@snowangel7980

4 жыл бұрын

RKS CA I’m not a super huge fan of the yellow one but to me this and the multicolored one scream “I’m just trying to please you with something more than black” because clearly the fit of them aren’t going to change.

@vncntd3962

4 жыл бұрын

@RKS CA I'm sorry but that yellow blouse he wears has nothing to do with Elton John or the seventies. Nothing whatsoever. And neither did the previous version of this top.

I've had to pause this off and on so I'm a little late but as far as the comment on Boykova, my elderly mom even commented that wow, she looked so angry!! LOL

I don't know why there wouldn't still be a lot of positives in alisa liu's finishing second in the Junior Grand Prix final.I thought that, in past videos, the question going into the season was whether she would deliver on the junior level or not. She seems to have delivered and proven that she knows how to compete and also how to move on quickly after an error.

I love how Dave is bringing dance politics to the light and out of the dark. People said the IJS would stop bloc judging etc... Hm think not haha. Any judging system can be manipulated.

No bad words about Ted - he's a treasure. Would love Ashley Wagner commenting with Chris!

Whenever I feel overwhelmed and insomniac-ish, I put on TSL. David and Jonathan's commentary and banter always manage to put me at ease. And up to speed with everything figureskating.

@L.Spencer

4 жыл бұрын

And do they put you to sleep?

OMG Genius - connecting Schindler's list rant with Jessica Rabbit. Love it. Edit: watching this I keep expecting to Dave to finish off a Red Bull and pop open another one - he's on fire, LOL.

Re. The coming-from-outside thing. Marie France did emphasize that there’s an innocence about Pap/Ciz that’s special, that they are not steeped in skating history, for example they had never watched the MS program by Gordeeva/Grinkov before the 17-18 season. And they do bring in legitimate non-skating people more than any other team. Jeffery Cirio was completely Guillaume’s idea (he followed his contemporary work on IG). On the other hand this program with input from Sam C who does the usual cliche “fusion” choreo has some of the least interesting moves (i.e. character steps) they’ve done in a while. I do hope they go back to a proper classical piece in the future, to really luxuriate in the music.

So happy to see this pop up! I half expected it late last night! You guys are fabulous. Jonathan thanks so much for your efforts. I'd LOVE to hear you sing...any links??

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Debbie Bums scheduling delay!

Dave’s disgusted face when Jonathan was approving the rock section of H/D free dance cracked me up

@susanfield3680

4 жыл бұрын

Darla Cheung my favorite was Dave’s disgusted face when Jonathan was approving Evan Lysacek’s sparkly snake for the Olympics 😂

I was so excited for this 😊😊😎 P.S. if you need some Japanese articles translated or need a translator for subtitles, let me know:) I am native in both English and Japanese!

@TheSkatingLesson

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Email us!

@a.i.8988

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson And please do subtitles in Russian! You have a lot of Russian-speaking fans!