Basic time stamps (sorry haven't done this before!) 4:30 Papadakis/Cizeron tea and context 9:30 Dave talks about pre competitive mindset 17:00 Brief mention of competitive atmosphere in Eteri's camp 17:28 Other rivalries (didn't catch all the names) 20:20 the most iconic throwing of paper I've seen, then Tessa Virtue vs Meryl Davis 29:23 Eteri Tutberidze mentioned, then a wonderful rant about Tonya Harding on Worst Cooks In America 32:40 Opera stuff (again competitive mindsets, kinda) 39:05 Deleted Instagram video about Eteri Tutberidze's camp and methods 43:25 Eteri girls and their unbelievable quads (Shcherbakova and Valieva) 46:02 Didn't catch the name but Olympic diver-turned journalist who talked about Eteri's coaching 49:30 Eteri's show, comparisons between FS and gymnastics 51:40 Brief mention of Tursynbaeva 51:26 Eteri's camp again- personalities and skills of her skaters briefly mentioned (Medvedeva, Zagitova, Kostornaya, Trusova, Shcherbakova) 56:40 Mao's show 58:13 Zhenya and her 7 Rings performance- outfit and persona 59:15 Retirements (didn't catch the names) 1:00:00 Duhamel is Pregnant! 1:03:00 Marin Honda 1:04:18 future content announcement 1:05:30 Michelle Kwan 1:08:28 Michaela Skinner (sorry if I butchered her name) 1:15:00 ish- UCLA gymnastics stuff 1:22:00 Brief Tursynbaeva and Medvedeva mention 1:26:00 Full circle back to Papadakis/Cizeron Thanks for the video, I'm really sorry if I messed some of these up- if I've missed anything major or put the wrong time for it let me know!

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, you're an angel.

@helenaprout1061

5 жыл бұрын

@@kadova thank you! And no problem 😄

@hwilliamsmith

5 жыл бұрын

Well done!!

@user-vv7xu1xv5c

5 жыл бұрын

God bless you.

@elccollins99

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Zagitova has a personality. She is just shy and soft spoken probably that’s why people don’t realised. I find her humble with lots of kindness and love. Look at how many little animals and pets she’s been taking care of. Anyone read about a French lady written something on Alina trying pace and play with her kid and she asked Alina what is studying/doing currently. Alina answered she is a figure skater and the lady (most probably not a Skating fan) asked if she would want to participate in the Olympics and Alina said she had participated in it and was a great experience. The lady then after that knew she was the olympic champion from someone else, she felt Alina was so humble and did not talk about her winning.

@SaintHaHaLOLZ

5 жыл бұрын

She has a personality, and the proper adjective for that personality would be "dull".

@SaintHaHaLOLZ

5 жыл бұрын

@@evanperilstein5308 Sorry, but she's the figure skating equivalent of vanilla ice-cream. There's nothing exciting about her at face value, and you need to add things (busy choreo, tano/rippon jumps) to make her interesting.

@mustyfan1584

5 жыл бұрын

SaintHaHaLOLZ You can have whatever opinions you want about Alina’s skating and her persona on the ice. Criticisms there can certainly be legitimate. But no one really has the knowledge to negatively judge her off ice personality. She seems sweet, kind, and humble. That doesn’t sound dull to me.

@SaintHaHaLOLZ

5 жыл бұрын

@@evanperilstein5308 I was criticizing her personality both on and off the ice. You're right, it's not nice or fair, but I'm a guy who likes dramatic figures. Give me a Tonya, Khorkina, or Skinner over Zagitova any day.

@flankerpraha

5 жыл бұрын

@@SaintHaHaLOLZ You are idiot above all. What you call "drama" is cheap shallow delusional imagination of what drama or personality is.

Ok, a little refresher for Dave and Mr. Artistic Soul Singer here: 1. Scott and Tessa did not start the rumours of the so-called judging scandal, it started from a French tabloid. They personally never claimed that it was fixed - only that they wanted a relatively small sport like ice dance to be taken seriously on the world stage. The most insincere thing Scott said was that they felt Marina wasn’t in their corner (which is partially true - Marina was not at their practices and Patch was practically their coach in Sochi) 2. They have repeatedly said Sochi was their greatest Olympic experience, topping both Vancouver and PyeongChang 3. They also recently won a Canadian Walk of Fame Award. They specifically called out Marina to thank her and the Canton coaching team in their acceptance speech 4. Literally every press conference since the day of their comeback, Tessa and Scott have always mentioned how incredible it was to train with Meryl and Charlie My point is that it's pretty obvious that you guys are convinced they were soooo salty after Sochi, despite of everything above. Yet this article comes out about Gabby and Guillaume, and you guys can’t even admit they they’re *gasp* sore losers for once. If this situation were reversed, you guys would be SALIVATING while ripping Virtue and Moir to shreds - let's be honest here

@gtestkey

5 жыл бұрын

@@evanperilstein5308 Wow. Their bias is as obvious as it can get and reaction to it is well deserved.

@bsalter2527

5 жыл бұрын

Evan Perilstein but he calls himself that...lmao

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

Bo Yeup, these people are human beings, they have the right to feel unhappy without being called sore loosers, come on...you can understand that.

@annarabin7683

5 жыл бұрын

@@kadova We are human beings too, and have every right to be upset about skaters or commentary and speak out about it honestly.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@annarabin7683 sure, I mean it has to be both ways. I was horrified by some tweets coming from some V/M fans and I'm happy I found here some actual human beings.

I do appreciate that Mishin's skaters usually look happy, healthy, and self-confident, and like they have relationships of mutual respect with him. The artistry void is a problem, but the overdone flailing approach isn't a good answer either.

RE: Alina Zagitova Perhaps you may think that she has no distinguishing ability, no individuality. That's your personal opinion and that's fine by me, anyone can have their own opinion even if I may not agree with it. But to say she's got a "pretty face" and a "Lutz Loop combo" "and that's it" is so terribly degrading and inherently sexist it disgusts me. You invalidate her achievements; yes she's beautiful, but she's not JUST beautiful; she's incredibly resilient, she's strong and she's worked her ass off, not just for people like you to call her "a pretty face". She is THE Olympic champion, World champion, youngest winner of the 'Grand Slam of Figure Skating', only 2ND ever behind Kim Yuna. She's the ONLY Olympic ladies champion other than Katarina Witt to do a Grand Prix circuit after winning Olympic Gold, and she actually did pretty damn good with a Silver. She didn't win any of her medals because she's "a pretty face" but because she out skated her competitors. And its not just because of her Lutz Loop combos either. She is by far one of the BEST Spinners aside from Satoko, you'd be hell pressed to find another skater who's spins are as well done. Call it busy what will you, but she's never got anything less than a Level 4 on her step sequence, not once. She doesn't need to telegraph her jumps, unlike most skaters. And yeah maybe the Lutz Loop helped her win Olympic gold in 2018, but it was only because she had the guts to throw in a Lutz-Loop after she missed it, in a program packed with jumps. And again at worlds, yeah she may have a Lutz Loop, but she can also land it when it matters most even when her competitors fail to hold things together. She's much more than that. NO SKATER deserves to be spoke off in such a manner.

@dinchik19

5 жыл бұрын

최주영 , Her fault is that she stayed with Eteri and has not moved to Orser lol. It will be a totally different opinion if she moved to western coach.

@annarabin7683

5 жыл бұрын

@@dinchik19 I know! They would have praised ever single move she does, if she moved to Orser!

@finethings2281

5 жыл бұрын

So well said. Bravo!

@moonjer9777

5 жыл бұрын

🙌🏼 PREACH !!!!! 💓

@ramitodevioletas575

5 жыл бұрын

최주영 : agree! This tow like more cheap gossip that real sport!

I can stand critique but you cannot say that the girl who show steel character winnig everyting is possibile to win has just nice face and dog. There is limit of yours nastines

@TheSkatingLesson "Zagitova has a very pretty face. She can do a Lutz-Loop combo and that's about it. There's nothing distinguishing about her. She has no individuality voice. We can tell you nothing about her personality. She seems pleasant. She's got a dog that wears costumes just like her." Well, this discription of Alina Zagitova, who is not yet 17 years old and has all the titles that a figure skater can dream of a lifetime, is very, very unworthy.

@moonjer9777

5 жыл бұрын

Alina is a TRUE CHAMPION QUEEN indeed 💪🏼👑 At the end she doesn't have to show/prove other people her worth, especially here where most dislike her, it's herself that she has to believe in always, and the ones who vibe in that sync will follow and support her, not all people think alike and that's what makes life interesting... We are one but a lot at the same time 🌍

@rop888

5 жыл бұрын

@m m Yeah, as if Medvedeva is all that interesting. Ok, she likes anime and kpop and is a quirky teenage girl who wears skimpy warm up gear now (via contract). Skating wise, she doesn't have much personality. She couldn't even pull off a program even slightly different from what she used to do (OCS). It's amazing how people legitimately see her skating as better now just because they think her coach is better. TSL has talked about this sort of thing before and they fall victim to the same thing. Everyone says Medvedeva is so much better because they want her to be better to stick it to Eteri, when she's just really not half the skater she used to be. Her skating is labored, her jumps aren't there, her programs are empty and say what you will about Eteri, but she kept her spins in line unlike with Orser. I'll take Alina's "personality" and skating over Medvedeva any day.

@gmstjs

5 жыл бұрын

If they can't see what is special about Zagitova then that really is their loss. What makes certain people connect with one skater and not another? No two skaters have exactly the same gift. It's just too bad for them if they can't see hers.

@melissatowner8556

5 жыл бұрын

TSL has been very critical of Orser and Zhenya too actually. They just said Zhenya has no skating skills. I think the only skaters they really like are Eunsoo and Satoko.

@stellalou7891

5 жыл бұрын

Alina has won everything - literally *everything* at age. She has a natural warmth that shines when she is on the ice, this presence is innate and cannot be taught :)

You guys really need to clarify about that Instagram video from Sambo 70. What happened looks horrible, but the coach in question is not Eteri, or any of the coaches on her team. Just like in rinks in the US, there are several coaches that coach in one rink, and the behavior of one coach doesn't reflect the behavior of the others. Heck, I've been at rinks in the US where there are some crazy, borderline abusive coaches, but other coaches that are just fine. In this video you made it seem like this was someone on Eteri's team, which really is not correct journalism. You may like to speculate about her methods, but really, there is no proof that she is at that level, no matter what you'd like to think. You literally used the hashtag teamtutberidze in your Instagram post, when it isn't them.

@Clara-yn4jb

5 жыл бұрын

Also, I'm pretty sure from the background that that rink isn't even "Crystal" the rink team Tutberidze trains at.... you really need to be more prudent about not saying things solely based on confirmation bias.

@Clara-yn4jb

5 жыл бұрын

@m m Yeah apparently Tsareva has a huge reputation of being horrible, so this video isn't surprising. But it makes you realize that a lot of the reputation Eteri gets (not all but a lot) is from mistranslations, false assumptions, and things taken out of context. Happens in every part of life though.

@origamis9477

5 жыл бұрын

With that being said, if the description of that post is wrong, it may need a change.

@aliecatze4922

5 жыл бұрын

It was Evgenia who was talking about Eteri pulling her around by the foot, when when was young and not landing her jumps. @@origamis9477

@origamis9477

5 жыл бұрын

Ok, I guess I remembered it wrong. Thanks for clarification. mm&alie.

My roommate (who's from France and speaks fluent French) helped me translate the interview lol since Gabby was SO insistent that it was incorrect. Just about everything they said was pretty accurate by way of Google Translate: They hoped Tessa and Scott would fall, that Gadbois was a family until they came. Roomie said that she personally uses the word "plantent" in the context of either fall, mess up, implode etc. I do think it was rude of Gabby to apologize for "people getting the translation wrong" when everything was in fact translated correctly, and then say they "have nothing but respect for everyone last season" without even mentioning the name of the people she spent the entire article complaining about

@marcelineniat2405

5 жыл бұрын

yeah i m french "plantent" mean fall or fail in french slang

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

Bo Yeup, if your roommate is French, what are you talking about Google translation ? You confuse me. And yes, as written by me and others, when the only way for you to win is for your opponents to fail, every sport person will wish so. To cry a river about it because she dared saying it out loud is just hypocritical.

@magnoliabranca5149

5 жыл бұрын

Bo Yeup in french means make a mistake in the context of the conversation she meant she would hope they make a mistake which is human and normal lol. Not necessarily they would implode completely or have a melt down. If you have a native beside you I’m sure you don’t need google translate. I think it’s more about how people make a huge deal of it of something that’s normal a.. they hope the adversary makes mistakes and open doors for them to win. I’m sure every athlete have felt the same. I’m Portuguese but I understand french from France and English. And in the hole context of the conversation the meaning is clear. Can’t understand how this is such a huge thing at all.

@clouds-kyun

5 жыл бұрын

@@kadova Real Championships are not concerned with others. They don't rely on others messing up.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@clouds-kyun real championships ???? I suppose you mean real champions ? You forget that when 2 champions are closed, you need one to fail something to get the edge. Looks like you did not read the other comments as this was explained several times...

I don't follow Mao as much as I used to, so I hope I'm right : Few facts about Mao's ice show: (1) The tickets are sold cheaper compared to other ice shows so it will be affordable for the general public. (2) The priority is given to the residents of the prefecture where the ice show is held (Japan is divided in 47 prefectures). In this way, it prevents repeaters and a long-time fans from taking all seats and it will be easier for people who are interested in watching Mao's skating or ice skating in general for the first time. (3) Mao's programs are re-choreographed by her so they can be performed in groups. I am unsure if all programs are rechoreographed by her bc some programs are skated by her teammates: ex. Mura skates to Bells of Moscow and Haruka Imai skates to So Deep is the Night. (4) Mai Asada, mao's sister, used to be part of the team and she was replaced by Haruka Imai, who was working as a coach at the time. (5) After retirement, Mao thought she will not experience the feeling of accomplishments like she did as a individual competitor, but she feels more accomplishments working as a part of the team.

It is known that TSL guys sacrificed their life to put everything related to Eteri into a shade. No need to take them seriously.

Never understood the hype of Medvedeva either. Her personality of ice is pantomiming, off ice is mimicking. Like she often gets away with poor jumps and empty skating, arms flailing.

@artemisadelaluna9901

5 жыл бұрын

I think because her personality of being an Otaku, orJapanese wannabe girl, fan of K-pop etc ...

As for who would win if there was no dressgate, nobody can say as P/C would have been in a different mindset. I was happy with the podium as per the performances.

@marikafasola8771

5 жыл бұрын

@lawomann what you or i think doesnt matter...you sound so fake...vm short was better ANYWAY(for you) so it sgood what happened to french! .doeasnt matter how cost! DO you realize what that girl had to feel through to let VM won??? PC WON PCS even where they were not at their best!!!!.look at the protocols.. look how judges SCORED thei rpatter rhumba .. PC GOT MAX SCORE LOL No,,,Thats the point PC WERENT ABLE TO PERFORM THEIR PROGRAM where they at their best!They couldnt concetrate on performing in 100%, and sayinf that PC short ws worse then VM is stupid.. MAyve it is not your taste...but French were faster,had better edges.. had BETTER transistion! look at the part beetween pattern and twizzlez . It is not empty at all it is full of skating, lot of turn offs....transtistions before non touch or twizzles are to die for. VM were more complex, difficult loLL I dont say they re simple but for sure they were not MORE DIFFICULT! So you re glad what happened to them because VM had better programs for you and it is fair that they won overallSo yo udont care what happened t that girl??. IN CLEAN FIGHT VM WOULDNT BE ABLE TO touch the gold, my dear according to judges..But i read on fs universe that people are glad that VM won because they were pissed of on PC dominance , because they were winnin all the time that season so in the same time they were happy what happeded to papadakis because then VM could won someohow. and they were glad of it coz vm had better programs and and they deserved to win ANYWAY.WHAT A fucking bullshit.....And they are all women!! IT is so fucking sad and disgusting..they dont care how PC LOSt ,most importqant that VM WOn. .They were WISHING PC BAD ALL SEASON And it happened in right time.. But karma is back.remeber ubers

@pandaz1993himick

5 жыл бұрын

For sure, but if I had wheels I'd be a bicycle!

@marikafasola8771

5 жыл бұрын

@lawomann of course i am upset who wouldnt? they are also. They said olympic silver medal remind them of traumatic skate. Because they lost because of it.. Whats not to understand? If they could perfrom their short like they were able to, they would have been gold medalist for sure. thats the point

These two are like the perez hilton of figure skating

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your viewership.

@chokladpudding96

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome

have to disagree with you guys on this one. I don’t think you would be nearly as lenient if Tessa had been in Gabi’s place and lost because of the dress. You probably would’ve told them to suck it up, accept their silver, and not complain about it an entire year later Also I don’t think it’s unfair for people to have thoughts about Gabi’s “honesty”. Just like you can judge VM for expressing concern that their coach wasn’t supportive to them, people can judge Gabi for outwardly rooting for VM to fail. Having sportsmanship isn’t a bad thing.

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

My Wattpad Writes huh? I support both teams and thought the Canadians were better last year. Jonathan felt the French were better. You cannot lump us together there.

@nvadqs

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson it is true! Dave tweeted asap as it finished "the right team won" and Jonathan was always on the French side. Which is the most normal situation: different people, different opinions, and that's enriching.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

Wishing your rivals to fail one element because it's your only way to win against them is not lack of sportmanship, it's just the reality. Do you really think they all love each other ?

@2bs2bs1porsche

5 жыл бұрын

kadova no, I don’t think they love each other at all and that’s not unrealistic, but I also think it’s okay for people to be critical of Gabi’s statement, given some of the things she said. She also complained about the scoring of the event (which wasn’t brought up in the video) and that makes her look like a really poor sport because she and Gui were barely penalized for their multiple mistakes and shakiness in the short, but she’s trying to argue that VM were overscored. I don’t think that’s honesty, I think that’s bitterness and a little bit of entitlement. also @TheSkatingLesson I’ll give you guys the benefit of the doubt on other platforms, but just the videos I’ve seen on here give me the overall impression that you guys don’t particularly like VM. I mean, in the Olympic recap video I think only Sandra Bezic had anything really good to say about their performance. I don’t mind you having your biases and favorites, but at times it does come off as hypocritical

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@2bs2bs1porsche aahh the judging, everyone can complain about any judging in figure skating. You may think P/C were not penalised enough in their OG sp, I cannot say, I'm not a judge. Gaby did not understand why V/M had higher scores in the individual event, but she also said she didn't watch the team event. She was still out of her mind. It was a trauma to lose and I believe she has not come over it yet. Well, pain makes you grow and she will be more mature at the next OG.

In French "Se planter" is a colloquial term and it means to make a mistake, not to fall down.

Have been waiting for this since it was released

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

@nvadqs

5 жыл бұрын

Me too! The first thing I did was ask about it on Tw. I'd made room for it for tomorrow and it was such a pleasant surprise to have it today!

Just a note about the french "planter". In can also mean "to not do well". From my reading as a native speaker, that's how I understood it.

@aramis5301

5 жыл бұрын

I agree, I'm French too and to me, "se planter" means make a mistake, and "planter quelque chose" means to mess up something.

@icedancefan49

5 жыл бұрын

@@aramis5301 I heard that in quebec se planter has a more harsh meaning, meaning to fail. While in france it means to make a mistake. It's hard to say what they meant in the interview since they are from france but the interview was done in canada.

@audreyrivard2530

5 жыл бұрын

@@icedancefan49 I'm from Québec and I confirm that it can mean both ;)

@icedancefan49

5 жыл бұрын

@@audreyrivard2530 In this context it wouldn't change the meaning of what they were saying but might make it seem a little less aggressive if they meant to make a mistake vs to fail

@Xosidhe

5 жыл бұрын

Regardless of the connotations, it’s a competition-why can’t they hope their competitors fall on their faces?

Elena Vaitsekhovskaya, the 'journalist' you guys are refering to is biased, as she had a conflict with Tutberidze right before Sochi Olympics. There were at least 2 people who witnessed their argument and confirmed it publicly: 1) Russian Figure Skating Federation spokesperson Olga Ermolina 2) journalist Arthur Werner. Eteri has been Vaitsekhovskaya's personal enemy since then. She used to criticize Medvedeva mercilessly, but as soon as Zhenya switched to Orser she suddenly became the most talented skater with super lutz in Vaitz's eyes :D Just saying. Totally fine for a journalist to criticize different coaching styles, coaches, skaters, but the thing with Vaitsekhovskaya is that she ONLY criticizes Eteri and her camp. :P

@ramitodevioletas575

5 жыл бұрын

IS : you forgot to say that the FR prohibited Elena Vaitsekhovskaya to cover any event.

@insi4547

5 жыл бұрын

@@ramitodevioletas575 Oh i wish...but they can't :D They did announce they "will be considering not giving her accreditation" to some figure skating events, though:)

To those who are interested in some background on Vaitsehovskaya - Tutberizde situation. Vaitsehovskaya is a very intelligent woman and very talented journalist but she is human and her articles on Tutberidze are of very personal character, to say it mildly. It all started from Sochi Olympics when Lipnitskaya was chosen to skate both SP and LP in team event and Sotnikova was not selected. Everyone knows that Vaitsehovskaya is Buyabova’s friend so she wrote an article accusing Tutberidze of some networking with ministers for Sotnikova not being chosen. As it was not true, Tutberidze approached her in front of everyone and made deny her words and write an article confirming that the previous article was a lie. Since then , Vaits started her crusade on writing hateful articles on Tutberidze and all her students. Lipnitskay, Medvedeva, Zagitova were totally slated by her. Yes, even 2 time World medallist Medvedeva didn’t escape her criticism and even Tarasova during live event had to defend Medvedeva from her. That’s why I was very surprised that Medvedeva gave interviews to Vaits after she left Eteri. Vaits became so obsessed with Eteri that even when she interviews other people , she just digs for negative stuff about Tutberidze that she is not even interested in the person she interviews. Tbh it is hilarious! She is obsessed and it is quite sad that such a talented journalist become so unprofessional because of personal hate. Of course, she does not write anything negative about her friend Buyanova even though there is a lot of reasons this season to question her work. Also, Vaits who is apparently worried about Eteri’s students wrote such poisonous articles about these girls that you can get mental issues just from reading these things about yourself so she really has double standards.

@annarabin7683

5 жыл бұрын

so true. She often contradicts herself, saying one thing one day and complete opposite next day, and looking back, it's obvious not once has she made a somewhat factually correct article. They take her words as complete truth, and if they actually read her articles throughout the years, her incompetence is so obvious.

@tb4522

5 жыл бұрын

That was interesting. Thanks for sharing. But still, because none of Eteri's skaters seem to make it past 17 or 18 and her students seem physically "broken" when they leave, people will continue to think it isn't a healthy environment. I hope that changes with Zagitova and her new crop of skaters. That she and her team learn to guide them healthily into adult careers, not just short whiz kid careers.

@dinchik19

5 жыл бұрын

TB , none of the coaches in Russia had success with girls who are older than 18 in the past many years. Sotnikova won Olympics at 17 and never continued. Everybody likes to praise Mishin with Liza Tuktamysheva but she also won gold once in 2015 and disappeared for years. She has not qualified for 2 Olympics. It is amazing that she returned this year but she has not even been sent to Worlds, her 16 year old team mate Samodurova went. So why pick on Eteri? It is not just Eteri, it is everyone. Actually, Eteri has the best record, as she had Medvedeva winning gold 2 times and becoming silver Olympics medallist at 18. She also has Tursynbaeva who won silver at worlds at 19.

Can I give a shoutout to the KZread Algorithm for advertisements as it is pushing Harley Davidson motorcycles to me as I'm watching this? I can't wait for the algorithm to start telling me about beautiful European women eager to be my wife next. Nothing says "I'm into motorcycles and mail order brides" like watching figure skating gossip discussed by two gay dudes for an hour and a half. KZread certainly doesn't understand the concept of "reading the room" lol.

You don't have to be native speaker to think logically. Falls are very rare in ice dance so it was very unlikely that Tessa and Scott would fall. Gabi for sure meant 'making a mistake' which is much more likely for ice dancers than fall and actully all they would really need to win. Btw, Zagitova also admitted after GPF that she hoped that Rika don't succeed with her 3 A, when she said after competition, that she needs to learn how to focus on herself and do all she can, instead of hoping that 'other competitor won't do something'.

@yuzuhanyu5110

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t think Alina said that. I remembered During the interviews, many asked about the comparison of her and Rika so Alina said she preferred not to answer it and when asked how she felt about Rika high score backstage. Alina says she tried not to watch and listen to other skaters scores. Don’t think she said anything about hoping Rika will not succeed in her 3A.

@danielarifaiova3345

5 жыл бұрын

@yuzu Yes, she did. She literally said: - The most important lesson I learned from this Grand Prix finals: I understood that I should not hope that someone would not do something. I need to do everything myself. fs-gossips.com/alina-zagitova-i-shouldnt-hope-that-someone-wouldnt-do-something-i-need-to-do-everything-myself/

@yuzuhanyu5110

5 жыл бұрын

Daniela Rifaiova ahh i see, she meant she knew she need to do the necessary jumps herself and not hoping someone will not do the 3axel :) she didn’t meant she wished Rika will not succeed in it. Btw I love both Rika and Alina 😀

@danielarifaiova3345

5 жыл бұрын

Well, from her words is apparent that at GPF she hoped Rika won't jump 3A and lerant she needs to do everything she can herself instead hoping. And I'm not criticizing Alina for that, it's just natural and I think every skater feel this way in certain moments.

45:10 COULD NOT AGREE MORE RE Mishin and Tom Z having absolutely NO CLUE or care about artistry. Liza makes Tonya Harding look like Sasha Cohen. These skaters deserve so much better. And so do we. Thank you for addressing this.

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

Kirsten Neville 💯

6:40 I used to love watching Torvill and Dean in warm-ups. They used to simply 4 stroke across the ice, often separately, their reason stated was it was to avoid injury (which we've all seen), but their competitors believed it was because they were nailing "we're so good, we don't need to practice".

@ddjr6673

4 жыл бұрын

Just seen your comment and you are right. T&D *never* skated together in warm-ups and used to think the exact same thing. The one exception was the 1994 Olympics Free Skate warm-up. They had changed 80% of their program from Euros and you could see them running through moves together in that warm-up.

Jonathan, in an interview @TheSkatingLesson did to V/M a couple of years ago you asked them the roles of their coaches and they did say that Patrice is always the one who goes to the one having the toughest time in each situation. I liked it then and I saw it as being teal in the interview

I worry the Medvedeva is going to have the same compressed off-season training time this year as last year. Her last show in Japan is in mid-June. She may not have enough time to fine tune her new programs, work on her weak points, and rehab her various injuries before the new season starts. I know that she’s got to make that show money to be able to train with Orser, but she may be spreading herself too thin. Also, if what you say about the culture of trauma in the Russian system is true, it doesn’t look like it really damaged Medvedeva mentally. She has physical injuries, but she’s never appeared to be fearful like some of the other girls.

@melissatowner8556

5 жыл бұрын

If she is able to do her new short program at the shows in Japan in mid June that would be ideal. Or she could debut Memoirs of a Geisha there? She doesn't look in great shape at the moment in her skating skills and spins. Hoping that is from her injury. She has a lot of work to do...The Nike sponsorship probably helps a lot with funding her training.

@annarabin7683

5 жыл бұрын

Rusfed is paying for her training in Canada, it's been confirmed by rusfed many times. You can actually e-mail Rusfed and ask their press attache about it personally, she will gladly confirm Medvedeva's training is being paid with state funding She doesn't need that money for training, she's trying to grab some cash while she still is somewhat relevant.

@elccollins99

5 жыл бұрын

your maje I thought RusFed had denied paying for Orser’s coaching multiple times. RusFed might be paying for her living expenses & travel to competitions.

@annarabin7683

5 жыл бұрын

@@elccollins99 they only denied paying extortionate sums that were speculated, they did not deny that they are paying for her. It is funded not directly through rusfed, but her deal was made with russian olympic commitee and Rostelecom. But it is state money, one way or another, she's not paying for it herself.

@annarabin7683

5 жыл бұрын

@mish098aimer they are paying for it all, hence rostelecom got involved. Moreover, that's the sole reason Medvedeva went out to all events this season, all senior Bs and gp, because she was scared of losing the funding, if she doesn't compete.

I was on vacation in South Korea last week and went to the show in Seoul. I think my husband and I were the only non-Koreans in the audience, and nothing was in English, so it was definitely an interesting experience! I was shocked when I saw Medvedeva picked 7 Rings, but I thought it was cute for her (even if the outfit was not). Agreed about the lack of skating skills, though. It was my first time seeing V&M in person, and they were great. I love Kaetlyn Osmond, but she looked really out-of-shape. She fell pretty hard on a triple toe in her first number and then only did doubles the rest of the show. The crowd went WILD for Junwhan Cha every time he came out, but Elladj Balde was hands-down the crowd favorite!

@marikafasola8771

5 жыл бұрын

tessa is too stiff , she is too athletic, she was never musical at all. never a good interpreter

@melissawhite218

5 жыл бұрын

@@marikafasola8771 Are you paid to insult her? What is your issue? If you were so secure in your teams skating abilities, you would not need to insult Tessa.

@marikafasola8771

5 жыл бұрын

@@melissawhite218 I insult whom, excuse me?I described my feeling towards her SKATING, my dare. you insult Pc all the time i dont have much good opinion on tessa skating. Any criticism of VM is AN INSULT FOR YOU ??Seriously you re too full of themselves

@marikafasola8771

5 жыл бұрын

@@melissawhite218 go to twitter and all those tumbl accounts and lecture people who insult Papadakis and cizeron, you hypocrite

@melissawhite218

5 жыл бұрын

@@marikafasola8771 Untrue. I did say I do not connect to them on a previous post. I did not insul them personally. You just wrote Tessa is to athletic( whatever that means) and seem to expend a lot of energy insulting Scott & Tessa. Have a great day. Try to spread some positivity.

finally someone said it abt medvedeva !! i never understood the hype

@dinchik19

5 жыл бұрын

Audrey Su , I was in love with Eteri’s Medvedeva and still keep watching her programs of 2016, 2017 and 2018. This season was like an eye opener to me, she is just a totally different skater. I can not recognise her. Her empty programs exposed her and all these dresses mishaps.... and no artistry. I think Ereri was very clever at packaging her so well that for me she was the most beautiful skater we ever had and she is not the same anymore.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@dinchik19 wait she gets over all the s*** she went through. You will like her again ;)

@artemisadelaluna9901

5 жыл бұрын

@@kadova The shit she caused herself by her arrogance, jealousy and envy ...

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@artemisadelaluna9901 wait. .Zhenya is arrogant, jealous, envious ..... ? Where did you find this bs ?????

I'm very tired of all these overly reading into athletes wanting their opponents to falter or not cheering for the person/team that beat them just to put the "sore loser" label. It's completely NORMAL to hate losing and those who don't show only makes them better actors, not "better losers."

@aramis5301

5 жыл бұрын

I think you summed up the whole problem perfectly!

@TheSkatingLesson Jonathan there is an interview to Hagenauer about the dress

If you've posted your judging recap of the 2002 Olympic Pairs, where can I find it?

I can't wait for 2002 men video!! There's Japanese comic book about the author being a figure skating fan, and it starts from the 2002 Olympics men. "Yagudin performs to all direction of the audience and has a large magnet that slowly attracts the audience into his world. Before you know it, the whole arena is sharing the experience with him. In contrast, Plushenko is 2% Carmen and 98% Plushenko. The only statement he makes through his performance is 'LOOK AT ME' and you are forced to watch him like being sucked into a black whole. For his fans, that presence itself is exactly what they love about him." SPOT ON. Takeshi Honda, while not having the special 'it factor' himself (but with excellent technical content), definitely paved the way for the next generation of Japanese male skaters to shine on the international stage (i.e. Daisuke Takahashi). Also Takeshi Honda is an amazing figure skating commentator. His statements are so informative; explains the technical element, discusses his thoughts on how it may be scored and why, and always gives the TV viewers new knowledge on what we should be looking for in a certain program or skater. Also love the shout out to Tatsuki Machida in the beginning! His 2014 worlds short was the best artistic program in male figure skating history in my eyes!

omg FINALLY THE 2002 men I’m so excited!!!! Can’t understand how Papadakis and Cizeron has so much polemic lol everyone except the top adversaries to have tiny mistakes

The dress came apart because Cizeron hit it during the opening pose. VM once had a dress malfunction, I think I was the FD of 2006 4CC and it never happened again.

@marikafasola8771

5 жыл бұрын

yes, but their mental coach sew it before competition ..and???? it came apart even faster, i dont know what to think about that

@icedancefan49

5 жыл бұрын

@@marikafasola8771 They remain with this mental coach. If they thought she was at all responsible they wouldn't. Guillaume's shirt got caught and tore the stitching. It was no ones fault and just a very unfortunate situation.

@marikafasola8771

5 жыл бұрын

@@icedancefan49 I dont say she did it for purpose...but seriously??helo>>what she was doing? she sew it or what exactly if that dress fallen apart immediately in the beginning of the program?how she sew it then?i would do it better

@marikafasola8771

5 жыл бұрын

@@icedancefan49 d you realise after olympic Cizerom took care of it?That dress. HE SEW HIMSELF>>>It seems he didnt trust anyone! And afte that dress never fallen apart again!!!\Male figure skater is better tailor then anyone else, even middle aged woman!

@icedancefan49

5 жыл бұрын

@@marikafasola8771 They sewed it, the stitching came undone. It was an accident. I am sure if they could go back in time and change it they would, but sadly they can't. I am not sure where you read that guillaume is now stitching it because I have never read that anywhere. They said before worlds in 2018 they took the dress to someone in Montreal who redid the clasp. If they remain with the same team that means they trust them.

Important question: why won't Uber or Lyft give a quiet car option? Even when my headphones are in drivers are still talking me to death. 😂

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

AGREE

@knocturna9731

5 жыл бұрын

I swear it is so annoying. Everyone is trying to get that Friendly Conversation or whatever it is rating.

@alexandrafraser6369

5 жыл бұрын

I put a note when I book an Uber that I don’t want to talk when I’m not in the mood to chat 😂

I enjoy this offseason conversational vibe. I am also using your discussion on trauma in some of my sessions since clients/their parents may understand the information better if it comes from not me.

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

Sarah Moellenberg

I'm actually fine with Gaby saying she wanted TS to make mistakes. During high stakes competition, it's only natural to feel that way. But the way she keeps mentioning the 4 point difference in V/M's FD from the team event to the individual to make it sound like that the judges were handing the medal to TS is annoying. When it was her team that the judges were favouring and had been favouring throughout the season. She of all people doesn't get to complain about scoring issues. You can't treat your own world records as the gospel truth but be suspicious when other teams are rewarded. And V/M's scores were no where as outlandish as some of their scores...like the 2016 worlds sd.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

In the interview she said people around her kept talking about stuff like that and she found hard not to believe them because she was so upset. She did not say she actually believed it in this interview. Maybe in another one ?

@knocturna9731

5 жыл бұрын

The 2016 Worlds SD and the 2015 Worlds FD. Getting an excellent score for an SD where you and partner both absolutely butchered the compulsory pattern at Worlds after winning Worlds when you came from fourth to first on a twizzle error.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@knocturna9731 sorry, I'm confused. You're talking about V/M scores at these competitions or about P/C scores ?

@knocturna9731

5 жыл бұрын

@@kadova P/C's scores. P/C literally gained two World titles that they arguably didn't deserved because they weren't scored properly on noticeable technical errors, so it is rich from Papadakis to imply that she believes that V/M were overscored.

@bluecarps

5 жыл бұрын

@@kadova "If Tessa and Scott had had the same scores than during the team event (118.10) we would have beaten them and by a long shot." Is I think a proper translation of what she said in this interview. Later she again mentions the scoring explaining that she was angry, so very angry because, "The dress, the panel of judges that people were questioning, the fact that they had a lot more points than during the team event for the same programs." she did add that it was hard not to believe them (after this sentence). But that doesn't negate the fact that she specifically brought up the scoring twice along with judges' preference, almost to hint at something. Like seriously girl, you're gonna make dodgy comments on judging when you yourself have benefitted so much from it? She sounds so entitled and almost like someone snatched away a medal that was promised to her. Whenever T/S were asked about scoring (and my god they were asked a lot after l'equipe) they always answered in some form of "Yeah you hear a lot of things but you try not to let them get to your head. We just want the sport to be taken seriously and that can't be done with conspiracy theories on judging floating around." The worst accusatory thing they said was "We felt like Marina wasn't on our side." Which she wasn't as V/M would be working with Patrice and Mike Babcock (a hockey coach) during practices.

I saw evgenia at canadian stars on ice last night, she did two beautiful triple sals and the beautiful mess performance was lovely. she did a nice spiral during a group number too. i have faith

@skaterboy-cz9wj

5 жыл бұрын

So maybe she isn't as injured as we thought? I hope. Maybe she can do the quad sal next year???

@manuefige

5 жыл бұрын

@LaB Do you know where/when she said she was ashamed of her own skating skills compared to other skaters at TCC?

@manuefige

5 жыл бұрын

@LaB Thank you very much 👌

@artemisadelaluna9901

5 жыл бұрын

@LaB Aaww well hope that at least she can achieve half of those skills ! To be at Yuzu's or Jason's level it's gonna take a whole lot of work !

Just one thing about the P/C. Was it realistic (for them) to think that their training camp was always gonna be "like a family". I mean, they described the atmosphere of a "new camp". At some point, they were gonna have competitors, since the camp wants to be a leading one. Honestly, i found very understandable what they explained about their reactions, and they gave it context, they made a nxe reflection on how they learned from it....yet It strike me they were so "naive" about how the high-level camps work (since they really seemed kind of very mature)

@lydiaschultz4643

5 жыл бұрын

DuniaR My interpretation was that they probably believed they were going to be Gadbois Team #1 until at least 2018 since that’s normally how it works at each camp... there is usually a clear #1 per Olympic cycle and everyone else in the camp falls below them in the “hierarchy”. Tessa and Scott joining the camp mid-quad was a bit unusual and P/C may not have chosen to move to Gadbois had they known this would happen in advance. Overall, the interview was very raw and real and I think any skater/athlete can totally relate. All these pearl-clutchers need to wake up that this is a sport 🙄

@nvadqs

5 жыл бұрын

@@lydiaschultz4643 totally agree about being relatable and undertandable. One question? Do you really believe they might not mived there? The went (in their words) from unknown to contenders just because of the move, let alone they would have been w/o coach.

@icedancefan49

5 жыл бұрын

@@lydiaschultz4643 I don't think they moved there thinking they would be the #1 couple, they moved there because their coach did.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

They had to leave their French club because the head of the French fed hated their coach. The last Euros they did before moving to Montreal, the fed refused their coach to go with them, so the coach had to pay all her expenses herself to be able to go.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

They're not as mature as they look. However, they chose to say the truth even though they knew it would not please everyone.

Unexpected This and That when a storm is just about to kill my evening plans? Thanks guys!

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome! Always the first comment!

1:18:05 ... dying at the comment about Miss Val, "she was acting very strangely, even for her."

That video is very worrisome, but also very unclear. It must be from 5 years ago, because the banner above the rink says "10 years Hrustalni", while the club recently celebrated its 15th anniversary. Just curious, how did you find it? Why would Sambo 70 post such an old video and then delete it? Did someone send it to you? If so, do you have the name of the angry coach? I hope she or he isn't working there anymore.

@helenamargot0403

5 жыл бұрын

Lucy Stoeva what was happening at the video?

@lucystoeva72

5 жыл бұрын

Helena Margot Flôres Soares Actually, difficult to say. Some coach seemed angry and rough with a skater at the background. Too unclear and obviously quite an old video, to me it proves nothing.

It was a pleasure to meet you Jonathan during your visit to Amarillo, Texas. I was the one you met at the luncheon. (Cheryle). BTW: The performance was SPECTACULAR. I stopped by backstage (after the concert) to extend my congratulations; but everyone had already dispersed. Oh well... Meanwhile, thank you for the shout out. I enjoy both yours and Dave's commentary on The Skating Lesson. :)

Nothing wrong with a bit of gossip whilst there are no results to report on, but I agree with some of the other poster comments. This is starting to become a bit of a Sambo 70 and Alina witch hunt and bullying a 16/17 year old girl (Alina) is not funny or entertaining. Also, is the gymnastics going to be a regular thing now??

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@Lorenzferus which one is their girl ? I'm sorry, I don't follow them much because they're biased.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@Lorenzferus thanks, I agree with you, now that you say it.

What video from Eteri’s rink are they talking about? Can someone give me a link?

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

Ani х instagram.com/theskatinglesson/p/BwxglRwHpSu/?igshid=17rvjzu78gx1q

@user-iw5ou5yo6u

5 жыл бұрын

TheSkatingLesson thank you!

@DSQueenie

5 жыл бұрын

TheSkatingLesson that poor child crying out!

Oh I was hoping you guys would talk about Shoma’s new secret training place! I’m so curious!

@SkunkyLorrie

5 жыл бұрын

Cami_2006 I had not heard of this! What do you know??

@Cami_2006.

5 жыл бұрын

MamaLorrie2_2 not much I’m afraid. Shoma has been going to Alex Ouriashev at Glacier for the past few seasons but apparently he said in a recent interview he’s going somewhere different abroad this year to focus on his jumps and that he is going to train at this summer camp for a longer period than previous years.

@rop888

5 жыл бұрын

@@Cami_2006. Shoma could have just legit forgot the name of where he goes. I mean, I wouldn't put it past him.

@SkunkyLorrie

5 жыл бұрын

paradoxical 😂

Nothing on Rippon's announcement of his new programme? Haha! @TheSkatingLesson you let me down there! 😉

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

I watched his AMA. It was pleasant- nothing to really discuss yet. It was a cute video!

where can i find the interview of gabby?

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

In French ici.radio-canada.ca/sports/podium/107/guillaume-cizeron-gabriella-papadakis-patinage-artistique-danse-jeux-olympiques-pyeongchang-tessa-virtue-scott-moir-medaille-robe

Thank U for sharing

I'm not a fan of P/C but I don't find her comments scandalous. I think anyone in that position would be hoping for something to go wrong for V/M. Not a tragedy, just enough to lower their score.

I'm very curious to see what happens with UCLA under Weiber...I do believe the team would have done well regardless due to the amazing elite athletes on their roster.

@zb6070

5 жыл бұрын

I thought Jordyn is working for arizona.

@sopranomegs

5 жыл бұрын

Z B Jordyn is now the head coach of Arkansas. It was announced this past week.

No intro? You guys were in a hurry! Haha! So great to see you!

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

We were!

I mean... thinking it is one thing, saying it is another thing... come on, you don’t want kids looking up to you to think it’s healthy to wish your competitors to fail...

@pastelamethyststarot4074

5 жыл бұрын

Lol at some people calling this honest. there is a fine line between honestly and acting like an unprofessional sore loser.

@agnes2616

5 жыл бұрын

@@pastelamethyststarot4074 saying it like this, you only show your hate towards P/C. For you - been professional is to lie than and been honest is to be a sore looser. I would not like to have anything to do with you

@stellalou7891

5 жыл бұрын

Didn’t P/C not hug or shake hands with the Shibutanis at the Olympic medal ceremony? They just don’t come across as having good sportsmanship.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@stellalou7891 the Shibsibs blatantly ignored P/C at the boards just before the ceremony. So P/C did the same at the podium. Video on yt. Talk about getting the taste of your own medicine ;)

What was happening at Eteri’s camp? Do you have a link for the video?

@dinchik19

5 жыл бұрын

Helena Margot Flôres Soares , it has nothing to do with Eteri’s camp. It was a totally different coach who never worked with Tutberidze. They are lying and hopefully will admit it.

MyKayla Skinner possible routines Vault: Cheng 6.0, Amanar 5.8 Bars: Front Giant (B) + Jaeger (D), Ray (D) + Pak (D) 0.1, Ray (C), Toe 1/1 (D) + Tkatchev (D); Double Double (F) 5.5 Beam: Arabian (F); BHS + Tuck 1/1 (F) 0.2, Switch (C) + Switch 1/2 (D) + Back Pike (C) 0.2; L Turn (C); Front Tuck (D); BHS + BHS + Full In (G) 0.2 6.0 Floor: Moors (I); Double Double (H); Double layout (F); Front Tuck + Full In (E) 0.2, Split 1.5 (D), Switch 1/1 (D), Switch (B), Popa (C) 6.3 By that math shes number 2 or 3 all arounder

Who are they talking about when they mention s female Ice Dancer and Terry is her Mother? Confused....

Since when does gossiping, criticizing, and bullying qualify as personality? Watch a broadway show for some drama. You are so disrespectful to those who worked so hard to perform at their best. You look like tow comadres talking about your neighbors! Please respect ✊

Is the 1991 worlds for gymnastics going to be patron or regular the Skating Lesson?

Dave, I kind of feel like the thing you said about not watching your competitors before competing yourself because if they did well, you'll feel the pressure is kind of what happened with Jason in Worlds. He saw Yuzu and Nathan do well before him, and that probably messed up his mind game for fear that if he doesn't do well, it might turn out as a disappoint just right after two good skates. I do hope he gets over that, he need some zen talk with Sandra and Tracy.

@bakedpotato6653

5 жыл бұрын

some even forgot that jason skated at all! i read an article that said that nathan was last to skate his FS. nathan did watch yuzu and he was fine, but guess everyone is different.

@MsRumex

3 жыл бұрын

sometimes even great warm up can mess competitors )

You are so envious of Ruissian skaters' success and you're ready to lie for hype. Why on earth you discuss figure skating? Turn to show bizz news, it suits you much better.

I agree with Jonathan about chairs and or stools. Ever since Brian Boitano skated to “I Ain’t Missing You” back in 94 after his Olympic disappointment. I cringe!

Thanks! So fast! Thanks for dealing with this!

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

It's one thing when you dislike or you're displeased with the coaching work and you aim your critique at the coaches (because they are the ones in charge and they're the ones who have to take full responsibility), but to direct your comments towards Zagitova's personality by saying that "she has a pretty face and that's about it" is VERY inappropriate, diminishing and disrespectful for a skater that has done the impossible for the last 2 years. I really enjoy your professional takes on a lot of the skaters, but this was a reach, you took it too far.

@bakedpotato6653

5 жыл бұрын

not professional and quite rude.

Unless we get the video where you discuss how Alysa Liu and Rika Kihira's coaches torture their students because what they do is just the same what Eteri does (with a slight remark that they managed to teach just a couple of students while Eteri's camp can teach dozens) your videos are just bad publicity of Eteri's camp. Double standards? You can't make a single video without mentioning Eteri... looking for hype? Gross... Lipnitskaya, Medvedeva, Zagitova and the coming girls are so bad... I wonder WHY people around the globe love them so much... Ok... Millions are wrong and you two are right... I get it... If Eteri's girls are so bad, who's good then?

41:41 I would go to a full semester of Dave’s skating behavioral psychology course. This is seriously the most interesting commentary I’ve heard on skating!

+ Kcbg Really competitive people don't want their competitors to fail in order to win. They want to prevail on the basis of their own merits after having been better than their competitors. Only mediocre people prefer to win rather then to be better than their competitors so that they wish their competitors to fail. TS are true competitive sportmen. PC aren't. TS wanted to be the best. And they delivered. PC wanted to be the first ones no matters what, even if they hadn't have been the best. Being the best and being the first ones is not always the same thing. Stop

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

You did not read the comments before writing, apparently. When you're closed to your competitor and you made previous mistakes, and your only way to win is for your competitor to fail at some point, this is a usual thought.

I trained at Excalibur (and Gymstrada). I will say that Gabby as a 7-10 year old always seemed happy and never had the disillusioned stand-offish attitude that she had in 2016.

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

Burnout can be very real.

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

We saw Cory Fritzinger a few weeks ago! She is getting married this summer!

I'm Stanning Beyer talkin' bout "Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt" which is the most underrated sitcom in the history of ever and will be looked back upon as one of the smartest social commentaries of this current period of time for decades to come.

23:23 I am not sure how does match what Madisson Hubell recently instrgramed about feeling that, asap they arrived the felt Tessa and Scott as the cheering squad. On another note: Marie-France did menstion at the very beginning of them joining tje importance of each team having their own off-ice team. Another random thing: how do you get the part of P/C not expecting having real competitor in their camp? Don't they regard their coaches as good as to being to raise another top 1 team? Or as to get one of theit training mates to the top? Wouldn't be discouraging for potential teams for the camp ti think that as long as P/C were there the camp coaches won't be pushing another team as top 1? For me these are the questions that first come to mind when I read the part of they being shocked by not having a "family-like" camp anymore. B

@icedancefan49

5 жыл бұрын

When they came to the camp I think they were the only team placing in the top 10 at worlds and right before v/m came they were still the only team in the top 5. Nowadays we see Gadbois having so many good teams but up until a few years ago they were not that big of a camp. So p/c went from having no major competition to having the best team in the world with them.

@nvadqs

5 жыл бұрын

@@icedancefan49 yes, I get that and totally agree. Yet it doesn't seem like they were ready fot it to change when they should. I mean, it was obvious that that situation was because the camp was kins of new... tx

@icedancefan49

5 жыл бұрын

@@nvadqs Yeah many people forget that p/c were one of the earlier/original gadbois teams and didn't move there when it was becoming a super popular center. When they first joined the center was very different. From videos published in 2014-2015 it seemed they did group off ice while now it is clear that everyone has their own trainers. From my understanding of the interview they said that obviously the environment would change because now they are rubbing shoulders with their main rivals everyday.

@nvadqs

5 жыл бұрын

@@icedancefan49 yeah and it looked liked there was more off ice interaction (frequent social interaction btw Maddie and Gabbi) that it currently seems

@icedancefan49

5 жыл бұрын

@@nvadqs Yeah I also didn't see them as much together on social media this year. But then at worlds they were sitting together on the bus and doing saying that they were excited to go to Eric Radford's wedding in Spain together this summer. And in Madi's instagram stories she was answering a question that was about who she goes to when she is going through difficult times or something like that and she answered her family and Gabi, so clearly they still are good friends.

Easter puns! Love em!!!

Half of my home church sing but at the church near my university everyone sings, though it is in San Antonio so maybe that has something to do with it.

You guys are so punny! 🤣

11:57 Jonathon - OMG - I so relate to this. I went through similar thought processes (I'm a Trumpeter) and I did exactly the same as you. The voices in my head telling me "you're a girl, you're not supposed to play brass", "you're only 5 foot tall, what can you bring to this", "you've only been playing for 2 years, how dare you audition your Grade 8" (and pass with distinction and a placement on the National Youth Orchestra). But like you, I went in believing that I was the winner.

One thing is how you feel, because we are all humans, but another thing is expressing it the way they did, showing how imature they still are (at least Gaby!!! What? she thought they will never have teams cappable of beating them?!), because I totally understand how she/he felt. They/she showed their/her true colours, and, for me, it was a big disappointment (I expected more maturity...), and, even as question of respect for one of the biggest teams of all times (for sure Virtue/Moir had the same feelings towards Davis/White, for sure, i am not that naive), they shouldn't have said it in my opinion (it's worth what it's worth), knowing that in all interviews Tessa and specially Scott always had good and complimentary words towards them, saying they were better beacause of them, (feeling it or not, but smart/intelligent enough to say it). Every team going against them now know that they want them to fail, no matter how good they are or do, so this is bad sportmanship. One thing I'm sure Virtue/Moir didn´t want the dressgate to happen (they didn't deserve the score they got, because they failed, even if it was because of the dress - I trully felt sorry for her/them, but scores should be based on what you do in competition!!!) I really hope these words won't fireback at them in the future. Meanwhile "This and That"...

@nvadqs

5 жыл бұрын

That's the thing. Did she really belived they were so good they weren't gonna have competitors? It shows inmaturity. Well, I hope that gets better with time

@icedancefan49

5 жыл бұрын

@@nvadqs I really don't understand where she said she doesn't think they have any competition. She just said based on the results from that season they were going in to the olympics thinking they had a good chance of winning (which is reasonable, they beat v/m by a few points at GPF).

@nvadqs

5 жыл бұрын

@@icedancefan49 I mean prior to it, when they said that the environment changed because V/M arrived and they began "competing everyday". That was more that 2years before the Olympics. That they did belive they might not have competitors for the next to years (V/M or not) it's what strikes me as inmature

@icedancefan49

5 жыл бұрын

@@nvadqs They did have reason to believe that since at 2016 world they won with a margin not seen in years and a world record FD. I agree it was naive to think that way though.

@MsRumex

3 жыл бұрын

@@nvadqs "competing every day" may have referred to the training environment. They did not expect V\M to come to train with them so that they have to share the same coaches etc and see each other everyday and kind of unofficially compare with them every single day of a year.

Plz hun complete the Sochi series

I am CACKLING at the commentary about comments on Katia's posts. Too true. I also cringe

That radio Canada interview was terrible and made them look ridiculous and immature. admitting to wanting their opponents to mess up/make mistakes, I mean seriously? they also claim Tessa and Scott made the training center more stressful when countless testimonials from other teams that train there, one specifically from Hubbel/Donohue, said that V/M were nothing but friendly and helpful on top of gabi talking about a suspicious point raise from tessa and scott's team event FD to their individual FD when every top skate that participated in the team event saw their individual FD points raised and you know the point raise might have had something do with V/M laying down one of their best performances EVER? Plus Gabi is the last person that should come for Tessa/Scott when it comes to mysterious/odd judging puh-lease. And this isn't the only thing immature/childish/sore loser thing P/C has done they have also: - Gui said they lost only because of gabis dress mishap when they had twizzle mistakes in the SD and an underwhelming free dance - Skipped over hugging/shaking hands with the shibs on the Olympic podium - Gabi retweeted an article during PC that was basically said they should have won that was also very anti shibs and anti tessa and scott not to mention the article itself was poorly researched and the author referred to the shibs Coldplay fd as "sensual" *facepalm* - Gabi had an instatory with a sticker that said Olympic champion on it

@tb4522

5 жыл бұрын

I think the point us V&M didn't DO anything, but they're coming there was disruptive to P&C's routine. I've never believed skaters pretending when tons of skaters move to their school that nothing has changed and it doesn't bother them. Not reality!

@aramis5301

5 жыл бұрын

@@tb4522 Of course it's not reality... But for some reason, people seem to prefer when they are being fed fake bullshit about how everyone is great and everything is lovely and, as they say in the video, someone who lost gold should pretend to be "happy that I won silver"... I don't see the point of fake positivity (in fact, I find it infuriating), but apparently, breaking this taboo and being honest about how ANY normal competitor would feel is a sacrilege. And it has nothing to do with blaming V/M, or the coaches. It's simply admitting the obvious: it is NOT necessarily easy and "nice" to have your main rivals coming to train at the same place as you. No matter how "lovely" these people might be. How people fail to understand this is beyond me.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

Violet Frances, ignoring the Shibsib at the podium happened because the Shibsibs ignored them before the ceremony, passing them without any look or acknowledgement to rush into V/M arms. Video on yt.

“You skate like old bitches” 😂

Marin Honda - Flash Dance Music kzread.info/dash/bejne/kZ9rzcaQYsiwYbQ.html&t She's wearing that costume because JAL became her sponsor at the time.

this whole mess is because ice dance scores have virtually nothing to do with what actually goes on on the ice. imagine how much that must mess with the athletes' minds. now, people who watched the sd know they made two very visible mistakes on the twizzles and the lift that most of the judges chose to ignore. unfortunately p/c by their own admission didn't watch their performance back before they gave this interview. they only have the scores to go on, and the scores say they were close.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@Sally Vee Javi said he never watchs his performances or others, is he a moron? lol. And you don't need to watch your own performances, you know what you did.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@Sally Vee no, I'm talking generally. You did not say in your comment this was specifically because of this. To me, as long as the person says it, it's fine.

Judging the 2002 men. I can’t wait for that one.

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

Jose Hill glad you’re looking forward to it!

@knocturna9731

5 жыл бұрын

I always thought that Plushenko should have not have been the silver medalist.

@jjh2456

5 жыл бұрын

Evan Perilstein it’s not the Gold medalist that was in doubt. It was the silver medalist, moreover should he have even been on the medal stand at all.

Madonna is to be a guest at Eurovision.

I read "planter" means more "mistake" than "fall".

@pastelamethyststarot4074

5 жыл бұрын

Still, a not good thing to say aloud :/

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@pastelamethyststarot4074 it's just a different mentality. Some people prefer to say things straight rather than lying for the sake of ....

@claudiaf.7811

5 жыл бұрын

Ok, but in ice skating "making a mistake" and "falling" are kind of synonyms, in my opinion.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@claudiaf.7811 yes, that was the same under these circumstances. From what I'm reading for the last day, people blamed her for saying it out loud, as they would not dispute the idea, only that she did not keep it to herself. That's pretty hypocritical imho.

@Roxxxaneee

5 жыл бұрын

French is my first language and I have read the interview : in the context, it means to fail to achieve your technical element, by a fall or any other cause. In general, when you use «planter» it is for a really big mistake. For example, if you «plante» your exam, you fail or you are below the average by a good margin. She was wishing for a «fail» from V/M rather than a simple «mistake». For a mistake, she would have used the word « se tromper» (make a mistake) rather than «planter». In some context, «se planter» is use to say that you fall and I think that this is the origin of the slang because the word is close in spelling to «plancher» which means «floor». I hope that makes it clearer for everyone.

Hi Dave.do you know if the actual interview with papidackis is on you tube? Thanks if you have any information.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

Papadakis ;) interview in French here : ici.radio-canada.ca/sports/podium/107/guillaume-cizeron-gabriella-papadakis-patinage-artistique-danse-jeux-olympiques-pyeongchang-tessa-virtue-scott-moir-medaille-robe

From the interview I read in French, I'm bilingual, P/C lost trust in their coaches once V/M arrived. Then, P/C were told they should aim for gold and should win gold at OG, as they did not believe they could at first. Then, they had their dream chattered, because V/M made no mistake and V/M were better. Like said below, every competitor who can only win if their rivals fail will wish their rivals to fail. Also, Gaby said she went back to the Olympic village crying and wandering in the village like a lost soul. She said it was a trauma. Sure that's an immature reaction, but how old is she ? You're not adult at that age.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@mish098aimer I don't know what to think. She said they learnt their lesson and they will be prepared for the next OG.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@mish098aimer oppss, sorry, I mean Gaby P, not Gabby D. What happened to her ?

@Roxxxaneee

5 жыл бұрын

@@kadova Gabby Daleman fell on almost all her jumps in her long program at the OG. She had a bad day at the bad time.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@Roxxxaneee thanks, wow I did not know, I could not watch all the skaters. Sad for her.

If you need a team to fall to win, you should go back to the rink and work :) they are fab skaters, but it seems like a really unhealthy attitude to have. The most confident people I've met know what their competitors are doing and make sure to do enough so that they never have to worry about their competitors again. I think V/M probably had those thoughts earlier in 2014 and sometimes earlier in their career, but the wonderful part of their return in 2016 was that they looked like they didn't give a shit what anyone else was doing but were chasing excellence. In other words, focus on your talent Gabi, you don't need people falling to win. And btw, as a French speaker, the article was not SO badly translated, the meaning was there.

@marikafasola8771

5 жыл бұрын

you idiot, she didnt mean anythin pesonal. WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM WS UNFAIR..thats why she felt what she felt !!!TESSA ND SCOTT WERE VERY HAPPY during thier short when they saw what is happening because later in the inverview they said that they were better and PC are too high!! S that a sportsmanships you talk about???? VM were the one wHO BENEFITED from GABBYS ACIDENT>> WHY YOU PSYCHO FANS CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT?THEY LOST in FREE DANCE THATS S A FACT! DOESNT MATTER HOW GOOD VM WERE , AMAZING CLEAN AND PERFECT BLABLABLA > LIVE WITH IT>SO IT IS OBVIOUS THAT IF NOT THAT DRESS MALUNCTION IN THE FIRST PLACE < VMs free wouldnt be important at all !!!Because they lost FREE even being so good in it, right???? They won because of advantege of short . And you know what happened in short?? DO you realize what PApadakis had to get through to let them win ???? She must feel embarassed and so nervous...SO PLEASE SAND FLOWERS TO PAPADAKIS INSTEAD OR THeir dressmakes because VM WON thank to them.

@marikafasola8771

5 жыл бұрын

and please dont mention 2014 , because vm DIDNT lost therej ust like PC in korea.IT IS NOT THE SAME AT ALL>I dont recall tessa and scott losing short just like that, i dont recall any dress malfunction, and esopecially I dont remeber that they WON FREE LIKE PAPADAKIS/CIEZRON .they LOST LIKE LOSERS THERE THis isnot the same SITUATION AT ALL . SO please donr bring those poor babies who could not win gold in SochI and they was very bitter about it THER WERE WORSE THERE . .

@pandaz1993himick

5 жыл бұрын

@@marikafasola8771 in the first instance, Valium

@marikafasola8771

5 жыл бұрын

@@pandaz1993himick thats all you have got to say??lol better to be a person who has take valium then wishing someone bad and hating on other team and be glad that someone had accident,. remeber karma is back!

@pandaz1993himick

5 жыл бұрын

@@marikafasola8771 in the second instance, Grammarly.

Oh my ....2002 SLC men’s ❤️❤️❤️ my favourite OG , so many glorious moments - Yagudin slaying ( for me the TMITIM theme will always be attached to him) - Plushenko and his awfull programs ( which worst?) and the silver tin suit - Tim , the original quad king probably doing his Back to Back best performances ever ( i even liked the short Danse Macabre) And the others.... Honda - the original Japanese trained in Canada, lovely programs ( i adore is LP to Concierto de Aranjuez) , pity the quad in the long 🥺 Abt the forgotten Russian and crazy young Raf!🤪 Todd farewell song ❤️ Elvis , the Bruce lee of figure skating 👊🏻 Michael weiss ( Never care...) 🙄 I cant wait to hear your opinion!

Dave! "Was Yuna Robbed" episode 6 WHEN?? I haven't forgotten. I love that series!

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

In time, we have so many commissioned videos that are taking priority!

also, there is video of them getting hugs from marie france and romain post free dance?? it wasn't just patch, it makes no sense why they said that

@wearingspacesuits

5 жыл бұрын

@groß klein in the article they said they were all alone until patch came over to them

@wearingspacesuits

5 жыл бұрын

@groß klein he said he only remember patch, which is fair but im just saying other people supported them, it wasn't just patch they made it seem like their team abandoned them once vm won. i just found the whole article to big one big pity party where they didn't take ownership of their silver at all and just blamed other forces. if your dress breaks once you get a new dress. all scores go up from the team to the individual, all judging panels are working politically. im just done with their entitlement.

@wearingspacesuits

5 жыл бұрын

@groß klein oh thank you for that good laugh, i love being called poorly educated by strangers on the internet with my two degrees as I work as a teacher. just like pc couldnt care less about my opnion, i couldnt care less about yours. everyone is allowed to have an opinion, and i shared mine. calling me/other poorly educated such superiority thinking you are unbiased is so funny. everyone is biased. idiot.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@wearingspacesuits that's where your mistake is. People are not biaised when it does not concern them, like this German guy. Mind you, there are also fs fans who love and support skaters who are better than their owns. The easiest example is the Yuzuru Hanyu fans. Contrary to you, fans don't always bother nationalities.

@wearingspacesuits

5 жыл бұрын

@@kadova ??? nationality means nothing to me when it comes to skaters, but thank you for the assumption no one asked for

in your hatred of Eteri, you have already gone down to outright lies. You have already struck another bottom.

Did you hear Averbukh is doing Zhenya’s short program?

@Hjalmar_an_Craite

5 жыл бұрын

If that is indeed true, then poor Zhenya...

@annarabin7683

5 жыл бұрын

same old pantomimes we have missed this season are coming back.

omg yay! Your voices are so soothing

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

@helenaprout1061

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson imma try and do a basic time stamps 😃

My favorite example of someone knowing a camera is on them and trying not to show a facial reaction. Nastia in the 2008 AA. That moment when her floor score came up and she knew she had it. Trying very hard not to smile but you know she wanted to scream like Elle Woods when she got the internship! 😂 Scroll to the score at the end. kzread.info/dash/bejne/p4aCq9moh5C3h6w.html

Also you defend P/C for the countless actual salty things P/C have said and done yet you call V/M salty because scott commented on how he didn't like the coaching situation 5 years ago during sochi? um ok.. V/M have never shown an ounce of disrespect towards P/C unlike vise versa.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

There are bad fans on both sides. I believe V/M rightly won, but I also understand it was a trauma for G as they were told non stop before the OG they will win and they ended up believing it. To me their coaches have a big responsibility in this.

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

Any link about salty things P/C said about V/M ? Also, you're not salty when you're the winner ;)

Just say that you guys hate tessa/scott already, Jesus. it's so obvious. no wonder a good amount of skating fans dislike you guys.

@Samantha-td2ie

5 жыл бұрын

Violet frances in no ways do they hate tessa and scott they respect both pairs

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

I have always been a big fan of Tessa and Scott and have more than a decade of posts and videos to back it up.

@cassandrahowell8055

5 жыл бұрын

They really like Tessa and Scott...just look back in old post and you will see.

@realitychick7575

5 жыл бұрын

Too bad my opinion of you both have changed. It is worth noting that V/M graciously appeared on your show a few years back and were nothing but nice ppl to you. Yet now these past seasons (after that interview) dissing them just because you prefer P/C style. And fact is WE all can see it so no point of defending yourself with that comment about being a big fan of V/M. So freaking obvious, you two ...

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

S M I guess I should take down the artwork I have of them in my home.

Dave, perfect acting!!!

@TheSkatingLesson

5 жыл бұрын

What about Mervin Tran for Deanna?

P/C were help up in the short dance and should not have been first in the FD either.....just because you think something doesn't mean you should say it either

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

Does Gaby need to apologise because she dared to speak out ?

@danceskatecheer5219

5 жыл бұрын

Ann Fotlyn: Why shouldn't they give their opinions?? You're giving your opinion!!!

@biyuwu8894

5 жыл бұрын

kadova there is no need for that actually except she did issue an apology and that made the interview worse

@kadova

5 жыл бұрын

@@biyuwu8894 do you have the link for the apology ? People should be happy so ?

@annfotlyan8655

5 жыл бұрын

@@danceskatecheer5219 different circumstances, different situations....it's called judgement

certainly no surprise that P and C wished V and M to fall. just makes me that much happier that V and M won in 2018.

@alethferret2035

2 жыл бұрын

Lol. Imagine Tessa's reaction when she saw the top of her rival open ... She was not sad , I guess. Skaters are just humans. That's all.

Scherbakova's quad flip isn't even really a quad or a flip, she has a full blade forward takeoff

@brettmayer247

5 жыл бұрын

@m m not true! An example of a flutzer who doesn't use full blade assist is Samantha Cesario! It is common to use full blade assist in a flutz, but not a pre-req. Bradie doesn't use full blade either.

@margaretklucznik681

5 жыл бұрын

@m m yes I know. should be heavily penalized in GOE or downgraded, but we know the judges won't do that. honestly, what I would do is create a sign like > or e for forward takeoff to make the base value of the jump lower, and I'd give negative GOE in addition. coaches and skaters won't fix the problem unless it becomes too costly to avoid doing so.

@rop888

5 жыл бұрын

Well, it works for Shoma why not for her.

@annarabin7683

5 жыл бұрын

Saying this technique is specific to Eteri school is wrong. If you watch figure skating often enough, and as people indicated above, that technique is common to around 99% of female skaters and a lot of male skaters Shoma, Junhwan and so on. The critique pointed exclusively at Eteri school is unfair, as so many others aren't criticized as half as much despite having the same technique