Inline 6 and V6 engines please especially if you can include the diesel ones as well would be sick 🔥🔥 Also love every tier list video you make love it ❤️‍🔥

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Will do, will probably have to divide them into US, Euro, and JDM though because there are so many more. Thank you I’m glad to hear that, I appreciate the support!

@rustypotato9604

9 ай бұрын

​@running2redline These engine teir list videos have got me hooked! Now I can't stop watching all your videos. Lol But anyways it would be amazing to see you rank inline 4 cylinders too. Some the most versatile engines to ever exist in my opinion. I mean what hasn't gotten k swapped?

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Happy you’re enjoying them! I4 is on my queue list, looking forward to engines like the K24 and 4G63 for sure.

@flopman3497

9 ай бұрын

GM 3800 Series II gonna be an easy S tier

@v12-s65

9 ай бұрын

Seperate videos for diesel/petrol otherwise it would be too much for one vid And seperate v6/i6 imo

honestly this is a really great tier list. my only disagreement is that the Columbo should be in S. its longevity, motorsport success, and soulful nature make an all time great engine for me

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

In hindsight I’d have to agree, it’s amazing that it ran for that long!

I believe the Colombo deserved the S-tier.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

That’s definitely justified, for that time period it was just so far ahead!

@mrspandel5737

9 ай бұрын

​@@running2redlineNot to mention that it dominated sports car racing from ~1950 to 1965

@griffins750

9 ай бұрын

Yeah…. Until you listen to a Lamparedi and it doesn’t matter how good the Colombo is because the Lamparedi is just pure sex 😂😂😂 Jokes aside though it’s funny how the one that is objectively better is actually the more laidback/more simplistic engine of the two (considering the Lamparedi engine was an F1 engine first and foremost).

@gerogyzurkov2259

9 ай бұрын

​@@griffins750Same reason why the GM V8 LS engines are the go to for a lot of tuners.

Fun fact about the GMC Thunder V12, it is actually 2 GMC 305ci V6s bolted together making a 702ci V12 hence why it was also called the Twin Six.

@vanessamckinney1402

8 ай бұрын

same as the n74 being 2 n54s bolted together

this series is so good you have to do a I4, I6, V6 etc

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Stoked to hear you’re enjoying it! Definitely going to continue the series with those engines and more. Thanks for the support.

@alaeriia01

Ай бұрын

What about a flat six?

Great video! What about the Cosworth V12 in the GMA T50?

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed! I think that would be an easy S tier, a redline over 12,000rpm is nuts.

There should definitely be a diesel list for both pickups and truck/commercial use

@brahand

8 ай бұрын

Why only for pickups and trucks? Outside USA - where 85% of the world is - you can find all sorts of diesel engines in ordornary cars.

The reason the GM engine made such a relatively small hp figure is found in the other numbers: displacement and torque. A big engine like that can't rev very high - piston speeds get too fast - and they're tuned for torque. Low horsepower with high torque means it makes peak power well-below the 5252 constant in the torque-hp equation. Likely around 2200 rpm, much like a diesel. Speaking of which, GM did build one other road-going V12 - the famous 12V71 Buzzin' Dozen diesel.

@paganizondasroadster1660

9 ай бұрын

It’s just that American engineers aren’t good enough in making decent engine. Till date who uses a 6.2L v8 in gm cars like ct5 and the Escalade. I think it’s an American thing. It’s sporty that way. The dodge viper uses a 7L v10. Bmw in-line six and Mercedes 4 cylinder are doing great and Toyota just smashed the game with there 3 cylinders

@Adierit

9 ай бұрын

@@paganizondasroadster1660 Or that they simply found a way that works using existing V8 designs they already had for the last 60 years with modifications to make just as much horsepower as these V12's or more while still having much better low end torque as well.

@dmwj913

9 ай бұрын

@@paganizondasroadster1660 the viper has never been made with less than 8 liters of displacement

@lorddoosworth8175

9 ай бұрын

Because America is less affected by silly displacement regulations and taxes. When something like a 6.2 LS3 is physically smaller and lighter than almost all NA 4.0 DOHC V8s, while making more power everywhere in the rpm range and getting similar or better fuel economy, who really cares about hp per liter? 🤔 If that doesn't make them decent then I dont know what does @@paganizondasroadster1660

@BigDaddy-jk6yt

9 ай бұрын

@@paganizondasroadster1660or we don’t like 4 and 3 cylinder engines that can’t even make it over 100,000 miles

Absolutely fantastic work on this vid! good rankings on the engines too can't really disagree on any of the placing happy to have recommended a list like this! I actually learned a lot on variations I didn't know extended that long or were related

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Really pleased to hear that, the support is greatly appreciated. I learned a lot myself making this and agree there are some pretty cool lineages going on here. Thanks for watching.

@jermeyscott5998

9 ай бұрын

@running2redline not surprising that jaguars first V12 was the actual only good one, no wonder I found so many of the gorgeous sedans for so cheap And always so many unicorn engines out there to explore

I would ask for a 16-cylinder tier list, but the video would be very short.

@eshk7281

9 ай бұрын

make it a youtube shorts video

This is such an amazing video. One of the best automotive videos out there. You deserve huge appreciation for this.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Really appreciate that! Looking forward to continuing the series, it’s been fun to make them.

I really hope your channel blows up from these vids. They’re great.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

I really appreciate that! I’ll keep this series alive as long as people enjoy it, having a great time making them.

Enjoyed this. Thanks for your time putting it together.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

The support is much appreciated!

I would be really interested in the 5-cyl. Those are really special engines and had some fantastic historic examples and I think they all could fit in one video

@PreBCFan1

9 ай бұрын

ofc subscribed and liked. Can't wait what is to come

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Thank you a ton for the support, much appreciated and a 5 cylinder video will have to happen!

@PreBCFan1

9 ай бұрын

@@running2redline I will sure wait for that. I mean, I owned 3 of those. First an audi, then two volvos. Especially the D5 engine is a beast and every mechanic at volvo I spoke to is in tears seeing those replaced by the v4

@audriusbaranauskas6227

8 ай бұрын

The 5 banger tier list would be awesome! Audi, Volvo, VW petrols and diesels, Mercedes diesels...

Great job very thorough.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Happy to hear that, trying to get really detailed. Thanks for watching as always and welcome back!

I am curious why you don’t use sound clips in the tier lists videos, seems like a very important element when it comes to ICEs and would make the videos a lot more enjoyable. Also, subbed for the quality content.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Mainly copyright issues from using others audio clips. I’ve wanted to do it for awhile but haven’t yet found a workaround. Thanks for the sub, welcome to the channel!

Gran trabajo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻. Resumen muy detallado y completo.

Very good video. Puts into historical context all those marvellous engines.

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

I appreciate that! I’m trying to make them information packed while remaining digestible.

Make a 5 cilinder tierlist!

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Great idea, I’ve added it to my queue, such unique engines!

There was also the American LaFrace gas V12 and there's a whole slew of diesel V12s from CAT to DD. Great video though! Love me some V12s!

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed, they surely are very special engines!

Looks like quite an exhaustive analysis, thanks a lot.

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

Tried to fit in as much info as I possibly could, I appreciate that!

What I need to add to my "5 CYLINDER NEXT" comment is that I really enjoy these videos and appreciate the work that went into it👍 I hope you will get more recognition for every new video you make Also take your time for every new tier list video

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Thanks that means a lot, greatly appreciate the support! I’ll keep them coming for sure with more car reviews mixed in. Looking forward to continuing the series.

1) Rolls Royce R - powered multiple world speed record aircraft, cars and boats. 2) Rolls Royce Merlin - the sound of freedom!

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

The Merlin is wild to me, 27L of madness!

@fundcom

9 ай бұрын

I was about to comment this

@BigUriel

9 ай бұрын

Aero engines are another story. Big power yes but you can't really fit them into a car (at least not into any car that isn't built bespoke around the engine and is even remotely usable on the road). Those Rolls Royce V12s weight not far from a ton wet.

@ronnieharford3326

8 ай бұрын

@@BigUrielthere’s a guy in the UK back in the 80s who put a Merlin in a car, still exists and runs today, in fact I think it was up for sale last year, it’s a monster!!

Good work!

Would definitely like to see an I-4 and a V6 Tier list, although we know there's certainly a lot of those to go through; might have to break them up by geographic region of manufacture. Love this and definitely subscribing!!

@running2redline

7 ай бұрын

That’s my exact plan, looking forward to those. I’m glad you enjoyed and appreciate the sub, welcome to the channel!

Excellent video! I'll have to return if you do any on inline 6 cyl engines (Any configuration as I doubt a V6/I6 video would be very long). This is the first video I've found on your channel and I've just seen the V8 list in recommended so I'm definitely subscribing :)

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the sub, I really appreciate that and welcome you to the channel! Funny enough I’m working on a German I6 video right now which should release next Friday. Wanted to get more in there but will have to split it up because there are so many. Will definitely circle back to V8s too!

I would be interested in a two stroke tier list including the few 2 stroke auto engines and slightly more common 2 stroke motorcycle tier list. I feel like the topic doesn’t get talked about much considering most of us are not old enough to remember any of them when they were new.

Maybe my favorite V12 -Cosworth V12 making 654 hp at 11,500 rpm

Ah man, you had me the whole video until you put the Colombo & F50 in A-tier 🤦 borderline blasphemy. The F50 engine was the first V12 in existence where a company (was insane enough) said "take that F1 engine, and tame it down till it's somehow legal for road use".. Even if the F50 fell short, ferrari easily made the greatest road going v12 of the era. That engine deserves a tier entirely of its own.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

I’ll take one tier off on one engine for sure lol. I agree the F50 probably should’ve been higher for the F1 tech and impact it had on future V12 development. Hope you still enjoyed the video, I appreciate you watching!

@mrspandel5737

9 ай бұрын

Both the Colombo and Lampredi V12 had actually been used in F1 before, and were later adapted for Ferraris Road cars. While the Supercharged 1.5L Colombo F1 engine proved unsuccessful, it was the Lampredi engine which would give Ferrari their first ever F1 race win in 1951 in naturally aspirated 4.5L guise, and would also dominate the 1952 and 1953 F1 seasons scaled down into a 2.0L I4.

Dope video. Recommendation: add a sound byte for each engine!🤝🏼

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

I would love to but unfortunately it would be a copyright infringement to use others sound clips. Glad you enjoyed and I appreciate the suggestion!

This is such a smll but solid page , what great content 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

Great video , do more tier lists and your viewers will increase ❤️

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed, I plan on continuing the series as long as people enjoy it!

I have been watching/listening to all your videos lately. Should definitley try to add sound clips

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the support and suggestion! I would love to add sound but haven’t yet figured out a workaround to do so without copyright infringement.

I would love to see 6 cylinder video u make great videos with detail delivery

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Probably doing V6 next! I appreciate the support

Well you are getting a sub. Great work ❤

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

I really appreciate that, welcome to the channel!

finally. 🔥 one could possibly mention the w12 , anyway great job!

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Great content. I have an M70 BMW V12 and you're spot on. It was a great place to start! Everyone should experience a 12 cylinder!❤

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed, and that must be heaps of fun, sounds incredible!

@johnnyg9804

9 ай бұрын

@running2redline I have a 91 E31 manual 850i and they might have to bury me in it when I go! Great content my friend.

@markszekeres7214

9 ай бұрын

V12s are fun and games untill you have to work on them...

@ryanroggenbuck942

Ай бұрын

@@markszekeres7214real

This is great! Suggestion: T-50's Cozzy V12? Interested in your thoughts on that one and where you'd place it on your chart.

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

S tier, glad you enjoyed!

Would have really appreciated something on Gordon Murray’s latest Cosworth V12, no flywheel 12k rpms right? Congrats on the video

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

Yes that engine would’ve been S tier, my bad there.

Nearly 100hp/liter in 1966 deserves more than B tier IMO

It's strange how when I was watching this I thought the Jaguar 5.3 HE and the 6.0 both scored a category too high. In reality, you got the respective lineup correct. Even though I own an M73 and refuse to admit its flaws, great video. Looking forward to more content.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

I appreciate the support!

Would love an I6 tier list! Great vid

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Will do, I appreciate the support!

S-tier channel

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

I appreciate that, thanks for watching

Would love to see a v6 tier list🔥🔥

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

That’s coming next! Likely doing JDM V6, then Euro, then US because there are so many.

@AJ_C300

9 ай бұрын

@@running2redline i say do v6s 250hp and up

@matan6737

9 ай бұрын

​@@AJ_C300losing a variety of j series v6s as well as the 1mz would be a pretty bif loss.

So I think you should do a global section of the tier list because there’s some crazy v8s to come out of the uk and Australia that I can think of right now. I’m pretty sure there’s cool i4 or v6s there as well

imo colombo and m120 easily in S tier but other than that, we really have almost identical list well done!

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Fair enough, I appreciate the support!

@markszekeres7214

9 ай бұрын

M120 is awesome if you don't have to work on it! I know from experience! M137 is horrendous.... if you like burning money buy a S600 👍👍

I think the e-type was iconic well before the V12 came along. And the HE V12 was well liked because it meant you could travel successfully between petrol stations.

I hope you will also dabble into the world of bikes and its high revving engines, they’re quite the marvelous things

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

They certainly break my neck every time I hear one

I think you did great and I completely agree with your ranking except for the F130B: I really think it deserves the upper class, because not only it has all the great specs and characteristics you mentioned, but it is also the only production V12 derived from an F1 engine, the Tipo 036 used in the Ferrari 641. I believe that this fact makes it even more special, enough to let it be in the S tier. Cheers!

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

That’s a really good point and I think you’re right on that. Thanks for watching!

I had a BMW 850 with the M70. Poor exhaust port design and low compression hobbles its power output. Runs on cheap gas though. As you stated, twin everything makes troubleshooting harder, especially now with 30 year old electronics. When they are running right they are a blast to drive with a midrange like no other. Smooth as glass. BMW should have gone with the M8 motor design with DOHC.

Where would you have put the 7 litre v12 found in the lister storm road car

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Probably around A-S tier considering it’s similarity to the XJR-9 racing engine, which was a major success seeing as it won Le Mans. Thanks for watching!

Ik a lot of people have said "where x, and why no y" and stuff, you can't please everyone, but what is your opinion on the 7.7 Speed 12 engine? I know there wasn't a lot of information about it, as far as productikn numbers and stuff goes.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

I think I would’ve put it in S for how ridiculous the application is. The power to weight ratio it creates is mental!

4 cyl diesel bout to be his longest video ever. I enjoyed this one

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

I’m thinking for the more common engines (V6,I6,I4,etc) to split them into US, Euro, and JDM to make it more digestible. Good to hear you enjoyed, thanks for watching!

The Jaguar engines were actually great. I think you over blow the problems. You have to actually do maintenance on them.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

I can certainly agree, it’s just all relative when they’re being compared to some of the all time greatest engines. Like most engines good maintenance will make nearly anything reliable. Hope you still enjoyed the video, thanks for watching!

Aw man, I was hoping you'd mention that the 1GZ was basically 2 1JZ engines mated as one alloy block. Either way, awesome video!

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

True, probably should’ve included that. I appreciate the support, thanks for watching!

@Sci-flyer

9 ай бұрын

It isnt, this is a myth

@inarius9080

24 күн бұрын

It is not true, the 1GZ has a completely different design and shares little to none of the features of the 1JZ, it has different bore and stroke, different rod lengths, different head and cam design, the 1GZ is a decent engine but a good platform to make power it is not.

@chrisJordan-xb9wc

4 күн бұрын

​@@inarius9080where do you get that idea from? they can handle 1200hp and 10000rpm reliably with forged conrods and pistons, both na and boosted

@chrisJordan-xb9wc

4 күн бұрын

​@@inarius9080the gz having nothing to do with the jz is absolutely true, bottom end is somewhat based off the uz afaik but the rest is its own thing

Just so you know TDI can also mean Turbo diesel injection, I got this fact from my dad anyways haha great vid man

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Interesting info, I’m glad you enjoyed the video!

What about the Apollo Intensa Emozione/ Prototype De Tomaso P72 engine,V12 N/A 6.3

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

I only did production vehicles here, but I’d be hard pressed to keep any of those (definitely the P72) out of S tier.

TDI is turbo diesel intercooled no?

really wanted to see the vw golf v12 on this list

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

It’s a W12, that’s why I left it off along with Bentley. Thanks for watching!

FYI - There were NO good Jaguar V12s. The early ones made a bit more power than the venerable XK 6cyl, but weghted more and had terrible overheating problems, especially in the E-type (the XJ sedans and coupes were better, but still not good). The injected engines were better than the early carbureted ones, but still not good...and had the added hazard of a fuel line coming loose in the high-pressure injection system and burning the car to the ground. And, yes, I DO know: I was a Jaguar dealer! I had a Toyota Century in New Zealand for several years and it was, hands down, the finest luxury car I've ever owned (and I've owned a version or two of ALL of them). Absolutely smooth and silent and nothing EVER broke on it...and the fit/fnish made a Rolls or Mercedes look crude by comparison. I really liked the early Lambos; they made the then-current Ferraris seem pedestrian. 2-cam Ferraris are my all-time favorite engines, and I still have 2 330s, a GTC and a special-bodied 2+2. By the way, your photo accompanying the Lampredi description should really be of a 12cyl not a 4cyl. The Lampredi and Jano engines were strtictly for racing and were for their day quite strong, but had constant ignition troubles and an indifferent reliability compared with the 2-cam Colombo motors. I can't speak about the more recent Ferrari V-12s, as I have no interet in the newer cars. Plus, my last experience with a Ferrari dealer was just a disaster and I'm too old to put up with such bullshit!

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the extra perspective, this is super insightful and I appreciate you sharing! The lampredi picture was a silly mistake I made at roughly 2am lol. It also sounds like your century ownership was incredible, they surely are reliable and unique. Seems like you had plenty of experience in the world of V12s, great stuff!

@jamieduff1981

2 ай бұрын

Dealer competence was always a problem for Jaguar in the USA. I think Jaguar seriously underestimated just what a low capacity for learning the average American mechanic had. If it wasn't an iron pushrod V8 with a carburettor, the American mechanics were lost.

It's here!!!! \o/ Thank you!! 🥳

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Hope you enjoy! Had a lot of fun making this one, love the V12

Cool video, just started following. Minor details were wrong regarding m120 engine. The SL70 and SL73 r129's were all based on M120 engine instead of M297. 7055cc pushing 496hp & 720 Nm and 7.3 525hp to my knowledge.

@running2redline

Ай бұрын

Thank you for the correction and glad you liked the video!

Very nice video! Small addition I’d like to see would be kg. Maybe below the pounds in brackets

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Good suggestion and glad you enjoyed!

"... it's own genre of music..." Great line.

The thing not mentioned about the Jaguar V12s is that their all the same block design and said block will bore/stroke to ~12L of displacement, it's got a lot of extra metal and may be part of the overheating issues (the extra metal holding heat)

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Great point, thank you!

@moephvnoerd6128

9 ай бұрын

Am surprised the latest 6.0 is the worst after 20 yrs of "improvements" & no stricking 1970's BL "worker" in sight.. Any difference in overheating between XJ-S sports cars which were designed to take the V-12 from day 1 while the 6.0 had to be shoehorned into the new-ish sedan which had inline 6s for most of its life

What do you think of Zenvo's quad turbo V12 that is coming in the Zenvo Aurora, it may be too early to properly rate it as the car isn't in the market yet, but it would still be interesting to get your opinion on it as I believe it may be the most powerful v12, also, keep up the great work!

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

I absolutely love it, 9800 redline and quad turbo is just otherworldly. I’ve always thought zenvo is not afraid to try unorthodox things and excels at making them work, so it’s nice to see that with an engine as well. Glad you enjoyed the video, I appreciate the support!

Great video. A to D I understand where A is the best and D not so good. But what is S? Please explain.

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

In the tier list format, S tier technically means “superb” and is reserved for the very best of the best. Whenever something is good enough that A tier doesn’t do it justice, S tier can make a clear separation. Thanks for watching and I’m glad you enjoyed the video!

@brahand

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the answer. So, one can say that your list in fact has 5 ”levels” where S is the best and D is the worst.

TVR actually made a 7.7 liter v12 that is found in the Serbra speed 12

@Suprahampton

9 ай бұрын

*Cerbera

I subscribed you reminded me to. That’s some lot of work there. I appreciate the glorious v12 from Benz, bmw and Ferrari. __________________________ didn’t know Ferrari v12 were reliable but must be some rich man reliability.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Thank you, I really appreciate the support! As for Ferrari my personal theory is that reliability is the silent majority, but because things can be so expensive when it goes wrong, there are just so many horror stories out there, yet 95% of owners have no issues. It also seems the V12 is their most reliable configuration as they have the highest budget to work with and have been doing it for so long.

The V12 is my favorite engine. For decades it has had gated and almost unrealized potential. Most street V12s were just grocery getters, even though logic would dictate that more cylinders = more power. Each year they have consistently gotten more and more powerful and more impressive sounding, like it was a looming threat over the horizon the whole time.

I know its not as “mainstream” as these brands, but cosworth engines are amazing, and the v12 i was specifically thinking of is the one in the Gordon Murray T.50/T.50s

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

S tier for sure, I missed that one. Thanks for watching!

Great video. I would have ranked the Lambredi engines higher. Many believe they sounded just a bit better than the Colombo engine if not quite as reliable as stated...

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

That is a good point, thanks for watching!

As an M70 Owner, seeing it in C Tier hurts 😢

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Understandable, I am just a random dude on the internet though, so if you enjoy it that’s all that really matters! It’s definitely a great platform and opened the door to the legendary McLaren F1 engine, thanks for watching and enjoy your V12 while we still have them.

@ZiggieCombat

9 ай бұрын

Actually I had a m70 too and I’d was one of the most boring engines I’ve ever had. D Tier tbh

I think you have found the videos that lift small channels out of that extreme difficulty

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Hopefully so, the series has done well and my thinking is that as long as people enjoy them I’ll continue to make them. Thanks for watching, I appreciate the support!

@not5477

9 ай бұрын

@@running2redline yep, agreed.

Broooov What about the New Utopia engine And Cosworth engines on GMA vehicles Please tell me which tier it belongs to😊😊....

@running2redline

4 ай бұрын

Cosworth lives in the S tier no question. And the Utopia was released too late for me to get but a 6 liter biturbo V12 is absolutely mental, hard to find anything wrong with that.

@athoofahamed5183

4 ай бұрын

@@running2redline Danks 💝

The most beautiful 23 minutes of my life, thanks❤

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed, I appreciate the support!

I’m not a big Audi fan but a v12 tdi Makes a proud lol of my m57

The ferrari colombo v12 from the 250gto and 250lm is goated in my opinion, without that engine we wouldn't have the gt40 to beat it

Another awesome video 👍🍻 The S70 and M70 share the same block. Paul Roush (being the genius he was) evolved the M70 into the S70 and unlocked its full potential. Without the M70 the S70 would not exist. As a result the S70 set the foundation for every BMW engine created after especially the M engines (the S54 I6, S85 V10 and S65 V8). The S54 as a result went on to give birth to the M54 I6 (according to BMW of North America) they say it arguably the greatest engine BMW ever built. Really amazing the way one engine gave birth to such epic ones. Its extremely sad the BMW has since officially retired all V12 production.

@running2redline

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed the video! That’s some interesting info, I was unaware of Roush’s involvement with the S70 and agree it’s neat how they create their successors. BMW is certainly one for the best at improving upon previous technology and I hope you bring back a V12 somehow in the future

@KaDuWin

2 ай бұрын

@@running2redline Its in Gordon Murrays book Driving Ambition. He mentions how he initially approached Honda for the engine but they pulled out of the project, stating it was impossible as Murray asked for a detuned F1 engine. Isuzu was ready to answer the call but Murray passee on their offer because he wanted manufacturer with racing lineage. He was friends with Paul at BMW Paul initially modified the M70 and presented it Murray but he said it was way off basis. So he sat down with the BMW engineers and told them to weigh every bolt, only use 1 washer instead if 2 when 1 will do, basically obsess over weight savings. Murray even said they didnt need to put a flywheel on the engine and the engineers looked at him in shock lol. The book has some funny stories in it. Me too, I hope BMW changes their minds and resumes V12s.

@running2redline

2 ай бұрын

I’m definitely gonna go buy that book

the new cosworth v12’s for the gma t50 and one for the Valkyrie will be legendary in time

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

Definitely agree, sorry I missed the T50 and thanks for watching!

Re. the Jaguar V12, you've used the US Market performance figures which were strangled by 70s & 80s technology emissions control stuff. The HE engine produced 295bhp in non-US markets in 1981. It's a myth that they're "ultra complex" - particularly in the company of the other engines here. They're incredibly simple, but suffered from being too cheap and bought/run by people with no money and had no business driving a V12. Overheating outside the US market is rare, and it's really incredibly rare to drop valve seats outside the USA. In the USA you had the problem of extremely limited mechanical/servicing competence in a country that relied upon carburettors and pushrods on the basis that fuel was so cheap it was virtually free, and many simply weren't maintained - with common practises such as just filling the coolant system with water rather than glycol and all the internal corrosion and radiator blockages you got as a result of that. I think if you're going to be kind to Mercedes and say their engines were fine if maintained properly, you shouldn't malign the Jaguar V12 for the negligence of their owners and incompetence of American market mechanics. Additional details include the original carburetted E-Type installation having an underdeveloped cooling circuit, which was extensively redesigned for the XJ-S. The original pre-HE XJ-S engine was fine apart from the Lucas OPUS ignition which wasn't reliable. The Lucas ignition and original fuel injection was all replaced for the original HE engine in 1981, but replaced again in 1988.5 for Magnetti Marelli ignition which did away with the need for vacuum advance. The final 6.0 engine used Ford/Denso ignition and fuel injection and in Europe these are, contrary to your suggestions, considered very trouble-free.

You should a single brand and compare there different v8s. Id love to see this for Ford or dodge.

A diesel engine list would be very interesting

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Agreed, might have to do it!

im a jaguar mechanic (classic and vintage) and everything you said is basically true, its a shame due what the v12 can do once played with. like in thier race cars. but youre talking about production cars, so i get it. also etype v12 is the best sounding v12 for "minimal" money.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for your perspective, that must be pretty cool! Their racing V12s were definitely incredible in racing application I agree.

A fun video could be ranking high revving engines. Do a list of engines that rev 9k+ or something.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Love that idea! Thanks for the suggestion

If you make a v6 tier list please include the m112k, its such a forgotten engine due to the m113k , but really its just as good easily making 450hp with just a supercharger pulley, tune and cooling

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Noted, thank you.

@matan6737

9 ай бұрын

"Just"

@dagurorarinsson2827

9 ай бұрын

​@@matan6737 yes thats less than a 1500usd setup, notice i said supercharger PULLEY not supercharger

When I have my unit to store my collection of weird cars. I want a cl600 just to straight pipe it and rev it up ever now and again. Not even that fussed about driving it.

V12 is pure Love! But imho the Jag 6.0 should be rated better, its not that bad. If your going for a high performance engine, take the pre HE heads.

@petermuurman7624

8 ай бұрын

There are different 6.0 versions. The XJR-s 6.0 has Zytek injection. The later ones I believe Denso injection and ingnition. And even from those two the ones in the XJS gas a distributor system and the ones in the XJ 6.0 x300 had Denso coil packs. I have the last one (XJ) and never had any problems. The XJR-S 6.0 with Zytek do have the same bore stroke but everything elso including the cast and cranck is different. Also the cooling capacity and I believe even the cooling volume around the cilinder in the latter increases per cilinder as we progress from front towards the rear cilinders.

maybe a full teir list of all engines so far against eachother? alot to ask tho

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

I like that idea a lot, once I finish the series I might circle around and do something like that. Thanks for the suggestion!

S+ tier for valkyrie the F1 engine and the enzo🎯🎯

I really wonder how much it would cost to buy and build an existing engine as opposed to having the block, crank, and cams custom made but using other parts off the shelf and designing the dimensions of the former to suit the latter. Like, if a fully built engine is 20k or 25k, how much more is a billet block, billet crank, billet heads, and a full custom cam? or is there a way to get a cast block at a cost-effective level? The reason I ask is because I have this pipe dream of a 9L V12 with a 103mm bore, 90mm stroke, SOHC and 3-valves per cylinder that revs to 9k RPM and should theoretically make 1150bhp and 755 lb-ft of torque. Anyone looking to crowd-fund my design?

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

I don’t know enough about part costs to effectively answer that, but it sounds awesome. Maybe you belong in engineering!

@Drunken_Hamster

8 ай бұрын

@@running2redline Not really, I'm just self-taught on a few things due to autistic hyperfocus... If I actually had a chance to build it I would go out and learn more about stuff like the coolant pathways and oiling system/pathways in order to ACTUALLY make the dream effective. Still, at this point, I only know a few things; stuff like deck heights, rod ratios, materials/construction methods (semi-solid cast pistons FTW), and the bare essentials on intake runner and combustion chamber science and cam specs. I really haven't even studied bearings, piston ring design, wrist pin heights, etc. so if I actually laid the plan out there would be several missing factors that'd I'd have to shore up or outsource the design process to someone else and hope it turned out well. After all, I don't want the reliability/durability equivalent to a Jaguar V12, I want a Toyota V12 with Lamborghini power potential.

@running2redline

8 ай бұрын

@@Drunken_Hamster That's quite impressive, big things ahead for sure.

Cadillac v12 and packard v12 were fantastic

Defo gotta do the most legendary engine layout I6

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

I’ll make it happen, likely doing V6 next then I6. Thanks for watching!

Cool video. Everyone should experience a V12 at least once in their life. They really are unlike anything else. It's truly unbelievable how smooth they are.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed, and completely agree they are so well balanced and my personal favorite engine layout!

a worthy mention is the quad turbo 3.5l bugatti eb110 engine

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Apologies there I missed that, was thinking Bugatti only did W configuration rather than V much like Bentley. That’s a great engine though now that I’ve looked into it! Would’ve found itself in A or S for sure.

make a vid about v6s, 60 90 and 120 degree ones

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Will do, I appreciate the suggestion!

Fun fact...There was a road legal Rolls Royce fitted with a Rolls Royce Merlin V12 from a Supermarine Spitfire fighter of WW2.

one engine id love to have seen on this is the tvr speed 12. 7.2l v12 making 1000+ hp back in the 90's. The reason i Isay 1000+ is that tvr only had a 1000+ hp dyno on hand and the engine BROKE IT. The car was so nuts the even the nutcases at tvr decided it's too mad to release.

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Yes it was a ridiculous engine I agree! I only left it out as I did road legal production vehicles only, it’s a shame it never saw the road. Thanks for watching

I missed the 3.5 V12 quad turbo engine from the Bugatti EB 110

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

So did I, was thinking Bugatti did W rather than V configurations from their more recent work. Although the EB110 engine had a major impact on future supercar standards and would’ve been easily A or S tier for me. Thanks for watching

U missed another very new Cosworth screamer..The 4.? In the new GMA Gordon Murray cars such as the T50, T33 etc.revs up to 11 k i think

@running2redline

9 ай бұрын

Yeah my bad there, would’ve been an easy S tier. Thanks for watching!