Just hit 3,000,000 subscribers!! Big thank you to everyone who has subscribed, watched, and supported this channel over the years! You sure do know how to make a nerdy kid with a whiteboard feel special. Thanks for being curious, for learning about cars with me, and for joining in on the discussion in the comments in an overwhelmingly positive manner. I can't thank you all enough!! 🙏

@JuanTomlinson472

3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations 👏👏👏🎆🎆🎆🎆

@alexanderhamar6903

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your knowledge sharing

@varun3282

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know why i like you soo much you are truly a gem of car KZreadrs

@n3on170

3 жыл бұрын

congrats dude I've learned so much from you and its made me interested in engineering as a possible career option.

@xynostasos9022

3 жыл бұрын

Been following you since the webcam days! Keep up the good work Jason!

Hey Jason, to reduce some background noise in scenarios when cars don’t have dampening, be quiet for at least 15 seconds while driving. Open your audio track in Audition. Select at minimum 10 seconds of that no taking segment. Capture the noise print from the effects > noise reduction menu. Select your entire track and apply an effect called noise reduction process. Adjust to your liking.

@EngineeringExplained

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, neat!! You're saying you don't enjoy an abundance of road noise?! Haha, thank you for sharing!

@samfedorka5629

3 жыл бұрын

@@EngineeringExplained I think he's saying that if you want to decrease that, then here's a way to do it. Some youtubers don't remove road noise because they don't know how, and some don't remove road noise because they don't want to. This will give you a choice that you didn't have before. I love road noise, but would be happy if it were decreased ever so slightly, because it will accentuate the road noise between the talking and help break up the video a bit.

@hehaheadshot97

3 жыл бұрын

@@samfedorka5629 lol, I think he was joking in that response

@C.I...

3 жыл бұрын

@@EngineeringExplained Please don't use noise cancelling. It always sounds far worse than the noisy version of the audio - I can't stand it.

@rgbii2

3 жыл бұрын

@@C.I... Agreed. Since the sample used for noise canceling will be at a specific speed, it will sound off as the vehicle changes speed and road texture changes.

From whiteboard explaining to roaming with clutch plates in Honda S2000 to McLaren 620R, this kids come a long way.

@calholli

3 жыл бұрын

This "kid' is almost 50 years old.

@alejandrozuniga4426

3 жыл бұрын

What kid?

@maheshnaik561

3 жыл бұрын

He was 23 when he started😂 Now he must be 31 or so. So he was a kid 😂😂😂

@sprinkles2765

3 жыл бұрын

I thought he said he was born in 1970 or something like that

@Bulldog23636

3 жыл бұрын

@@sprinkles2765 That was a joke, he's like 32-33

"Warm and sunny day to talk about these systems" -Jason 2021

@johnreese7352

3 жыл бұрын

I don't get it

@Spacedog_42

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnreese7352 the weather looked cold and cloudy. He was joking.

I love that Jason gets to review and spend the day with cars like this then talks about steering racks. Ultimately I’m watching no matter what but it’s just hilarious.

It's great how you explained steering from a driver's perspective to those of us who don't get the opportunity to drive cars like these. I really enjoy your videos, and congrats on 3 million subscribers!

@EngineeringExplained

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sujay!!

@TheChzoronzon

3 жыл бұрын

@@EngineeringExplained Has anybody tried to put (simple, piezo?) microphones in the suspension and acustic (vibration) transducers in the steering wheel, so you can have all the assistance and still the "feel"?

@jimmym3352

3 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed this video as well even though this car is my daily driver.

@naseeb46

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheChzoronzon That won't give the steering feedback. When we say feedback, it is referred to feeling the bumps and undulations in the road that the tyres come in contact with. It's like, when you hit a pothole, the steering wheel twitches slightly, except it's for much much smaller imperfections. I think I probably didn't explain it well enough, sorry. But, that's the basic idea. And even better than what mclarens doing, is the one by GMA on their T.50. It is basically an electric rack, but it only assist when at small speeds, like parking or crawling.

@TheChzoronzon

3 жыл бұрын

@@naseeb46 I don't have the subject so clear... a microphone captures vibrations... an electro-acoustic exciter, similar to those used in DMLs, reproduces vibrations. The feeling you get in any steering feedback is just that, vibrations. There's nothing magical or special about it. They can travel through a solid metalic medium (the steering axle), or if well done, through wire... it's a tech we have pretty nailed, you surely have heard about microphone & loudspeakers...which are exactly that, vibrations captured, sent through wire and then reconstituted... to a much more precise degree than what I'm talking about, I'm pretty sure that accurately getting the timbre of a violin is more difficult than bumps in a road...

This is why this channel is the bomb. He'll tell you how something works, but then in a separate video like this, he'll tell you WHY IT MATTERS and how different driving systems affect the experience for the layman. Thanks for the context Jason!

I literally just looked up how power steering works yesterday and didn't find anything good. Your timing is perfect!

A huge advantage of direct electric steering is new features like self driving or auto parking. But I guess if you are buying a McLaren, you probably want to do the driving yourself.

@22Platypus

2 жыл бұрын

I want to do the driving, not the parking

@lol-ws6po

Жыл бұрын

@@22Platypus Indeed Richard

Gotta appreciate the whiteboard when it makes into this kind of video👌

The car got dirty so quickly because you are in LA, I got my car washed, drove it 0.2 miles home to park it in a covered spot, came out 2 hours later and it was covered in dust.

@anguswett

3 жыл бұрын

Literally.

@bcubed72

3 жыл бұрын

My dad grew up in Pittsburgh in the 1950s. He said that, on bad days, motorists would have to sweep the mill dust off the car, like a dusting of snow, before going for a drive. "Dirty air," today, simply doesn't hold a candle to how it used to be.

Always learning something new. This car is wild, cheers on 3M!!!

@stevienguyen2047

3 жыл бұрын

It was also ppppppgp

i would be so nervous driving something so expensive in that fog. good video!

@rohittanwar4255

3 жыл бұрын

That too while recording.

@ColeSpolaric

3 жыл бұрын

With those tires

@rohittanwar4255

3 жыл бұрын

And with explaining different types of steering

@davidjereb

3 жыл бұрын

Why? It's insured.

@ColeSpolaric

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidjereb you still don't want to be the guy that wrecked a 6 figure car. KZread won't let you live that one down anytime soon.

He explains all of these details while driving at the same time. My Wife: Where do you want to eat? Me While Driving: I can't think right now. I have to maneuver around this other driver.

I like how we a speed limit sign come up and suddenly the camera is off the speedometer. Haha. Congrats on the subs man!

Steering feel is everything. Years ago a friend lent me her 2000 box stock 323i and the steering system was traditional hydraulic. Coming out of a GTI this was a fantastic car. Steering on the throttle is fun. Forward to two years ago I borrowed a 320i from the shop my GTI was being serviced. I was stunned to not have linear response. I couldn't dial it in. When you tried to dial, the car became twitchy with an accompanying lack of confidence when cornering. It felt like an over boosted Oldsmobile from the '80s. Great explanation.

The best solution for a sporty car? GMA has electric power steering mounted on the column, not the rack. The power steering works only at very low speed, then it completely disengages, so you have no assistance.

@DonziGT230

4 ай бұрын

Wow, if only McLaren had thought of a way to turn off an electric motor they could have saved so much money! Sarcasm, in case it wasn't obvious.

Hey Jason, your channel is awesome. I’m always on the hunt for content where I can learn something whilst being entertained. You never fail to do this, kudos to you!

You're absolutely correct about the additional inertia the motor adds to the system which filters out the higher frequencies. I would be interested to see how Porsche and Ferrari solves this problem with their electric systems. Porsche especially has pioneered EPS and I've heard the their cars still have wonderful feedback. GT3 being a case in point.

This channel has come so far......this is just incredible.

Congrats on 3M subs!!!! Always great content!

This was an amazingly detailed talk about a very important yet seldom discussed topic - power-assisted steering. Wow. You woke my interest.

I have manual steering in my 91 MR2 turbo. I don't mind the difficulty parking because it feels WAY better than any powder steering I've tried.

Just love your honest and clearly explained videos and long may you continue.

Congrats on your content creation journey and reaching 3M subscribers!

Congratulation on hitting 3M subscribers!!

Hi, Jason it's cool to know your YT channel has get 3M subscribers. You deserve 'cause you really do a great job here... congrats

Did anyone else get a little nervous seeing him jerk the wheel while next to a guardrail and certain doom?! I'm impressed that he has taken the time to record at least two separate video segments during what I'm sure was a very limited time in the car. Hopefully there's more of this great car coming. Btw... congratulations on 3m! I've only been here for a year and am looking forward to many more. Keep up the great work!

Great and insightful video! Lots of good info being delivered here. 👍

I bet McLaren loved watching this back and seeing him with both hands on the wheels for like 10% of the entire time 😂😂

@MariuszChr

3 жыл бұрын

LoL. I bet its not one-of.

@EngineeringExplained

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, they got their car back unscathed, they're happy. :)

@calholli

3 жыл бұрын

@@EngineeringExplained Except for those floor mats. lol

@61rampy65

3 жыл бұрын

@@calholli And the scuff marks on the plastic panel in the footwell.

@MsSomeonenew

3 жыл бұрын

Press cars, if they get most of the parts back at the end it's a win.

I'm always excited when I get notified of a new EE video.

Congratulations on 3M subscribers, you rock!!! 💥🎉

Jason, speaking of torsional forces on the steering column, have you ever noticed the rubber isolator system on the Crosstrek? Instead of a solid column, the damper is put there on purpose to reduce the feedback from the steering, which is also electric assisted. The STI's came with a solid column for the improved feedback. I've put a Perrin damper lock kit on mine, and it made a huge improvement in the road feel for little money and effort. Congrats on 3M! Awesome work!

@TassieLorenzo

3 жыл бұрын

Great point!

you know the video is good when there's car reviews AND the whiteboard is there. Also congrats on 3 mil subs

Amazing video, so well explain! Could you make a video about dry steering (turning the tyres while static)

I'd love a video explaining the tech behind Cadillacs Magnasteer in the late 90s early 00s cars... I had a 99 Deville and it didn't have a head gasket but boy did that Magnasteer make driving so leisurely

@1mlb704

3 жыл бұрын

My Grand Prix had the Magnasteer system on it too, I thought it was great. It was variable so it was super light at parking lot speeds and comfortably heavy on the highway

Interesting topic mate thanks for explaining

As an owner of a car with electric steering (2017 Mustang Ecoboost) It is my LEAST favorite thing about my car (Including the terrible remote mount shifter), so floaty and disconnected. I HATE IT.

@reck0n3r

2 жыл бұрын

I can't stand driving newer cars because of this.

This is a warm and sunny day, You ever been to england?

@kevinnorris6558

3 жыл бұрын

The sun does not shine on the British empire

@pureblooded3877

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinnorris6558 I wonder why

@MrGrentch

3 жыл бұрын

Ireland says to England: "Hold my beer" 😁

@markoz673bajen8

3 жыл бұрын

Sunshine State: More Lotion and Sun cream and lip blam

@MrGrentch

3 жыл бұрын

@@markoz673bajen8 Rub it in why don't ya. 😁 Sun cream is not a thing in my environs.

What an awesome video. This video should be used as a reference for engineers that work on steering. I've always been fascinated by tuning steering feel/feedback. One of my favorite videos you've done so far!!

@TassieLorenzo

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately most customers don't want any steering feedback. :(

My friends 2004 Mazda 3 had electric hydraulic and the steering feel was amazing for cheap economy car lol.

I LOVE this CHANNEL so much. You are so nice to listen to. I always learn something new. BUT - 3m subs and still no proper bass/quality focused mic :D The sound needs improvement so much :)

2:24 nice NC with the retractable hard top! :D

actually looked like a really nice day toward the end. cloudy but not wet. congrats on 3 mil btw!

There are plenty of youtubers out there with way more subs and can't even touch this much content. But lets not compare and just be thankful for these types of channels giving us supreme content. CHEERS E.E

Always love your videos Jason. Keep up the good work!

Wonderful information. Big thanks 👍

very thoughtful explanation, thank you!

Congrats on the 3M Subs!

Like the hydraulic steering on my e92. Driving something with electric power steering feel like a video game, feels good to go back to hydraulic afterwards..nice and heavy with wider tires

@dontyouworryaboutit_

3 жыл бұрын

I miss that about my e92 m3. Best steering I’ve ever felt

@eazy-333

2 жыл бұрын

E90 335 feels great too.

my 15 ZL1 has electronic power steering and I love it, no issues so far. Some of the best steering i've ever felt in a car, period. Is this system similar?

Steering feel is most useful at the limits of tire adhesion - the more feel the faster one can react to a loss of traction and know how much counter-steering to put in. Prob don't need this kind of feel unless on the track; though it can be helpful in emergency conditions if you've practiced counter-steering. Awesome video - cool to learn how the high-end manufacturers do steering.

@TassieLorenzo

3 жыл бұрын

It's nice to feel the road texture at all times IMO!

Awesome job teaming up with NHTSA!

Beautiful explanation.

Really thorough explanation.

Great explanation! love your video's

The best car KZreadr by far... You actually know what's happening mechanically throughout the whole car...

If I were sitting where you are driving that car, I would be smiling, not making a video. Congratulations on hitting 3 Million subscribers; you earned it.

I used to drive a 2005 Saturn VUE with electric power steering, and it was fantastic! It's not a car where you need much feedback through the steering wheel, but it was still fun to drive. As a bonus, the electronic power steering never needed any maintenance. Between that and the manual transaxle, about the only regular maintenance it needed was oil changes.

Congratulations for the 3mil subs... I know you can do it since you were at 500k but dude.... It took a long time

Basically, I just heard an excuse from a McClaren engineer that they don't know how to tune a servo system to achieve their desired response. I understand that there's a specific response and behavior desired in a car like this, and perhaps just like an audiophile there are good reasons to incorporate older tech as a simpler way to get those desired results. Yes, electric motor rotors have mass, but AC servo tech is such these days that you have control loops in the microseconds and motors that can accelerate at mind-blowing speeds. In some respect, it sounds like they need to use an additional encoder on the opposite side of the steering system to maintain responsiveness while permitting more of the road feedback through the starting column. No doubt, there's a lot of development to make it all behave as desired. Taking it to extremes, you could even incorporate a temperature model into the control loop to change the feel to mimick fluid temperature change through the driving cycle. As for most daily drivers, electric power steering is now the preferred system due to a variety of advantages it offers, as well as tech that it enables, such as lane keep assist, auto parallel parking, trailer backing, all the way to various levels of automated steering. Hydraulic assist just isn't innately capable of doing these things.

It is kind of amusing how loud the interior is. Lots interesting noise happening even at low speeds.

@winterwinter7505

3 жыл бұрын

It's mostly due to the fact it's mid-engine...the engine being behind you... This is evidwnt in the most sold/successful/cheapest mid-engine sports car in history: Toyota MR2. The ones that have powersteering has electrohydraulic power steering.

Congrats on 3 mill! Took me from high school to my third year in electrical engineering 😁

I nice breakdown of the two different steering technologies.

I’m quite early this time! Congratulations on your (well deserved) 3 millions!

Thank you so much for adding real engineering, and not being an apologist to whatever the manufacturers in general are selling :)

I like your use of the turnout lane. It's a gentle demonstration. "This is how these work."

Please explain about the lotus Evija.

super helpful thank you

Congratulations on 3 million subs!

Good info! Yes that's one more F1 derivatived engineering solution for high speed turning and precision positioning that "we all" can enjoy! On a different note, the only McLaren that I like is the MP4 12C. Not to much curves lines makes it more attractive to me...

Honestly, I love that my old MR2 has no power steering. I really wouldn't have it any other way. Serious question though: is power steering really all that important for MR or RR layout cars? None (relatively speaking) of the weight is over the front axle, and so the steering is inherently lighter than in a front engined car, right?

Nice job Jason, nice job. 👍

On the center lock nut thing with racecars, I have seen many tires come off racing cars during races, so the redundancy is a good idea for sure!

I converted both my Miatas to OEM manual racks, and I love them. Not great in parking lots, but even though I'm nearly 62 years old, 5'5" tall, and can barely do 10 push-ups, I'd never go back to hydraulic. I just love the feeling. (I'm pulling into and out of a parking spots maybe 1% of the time I'm in the cars?)

9:13 that Cobalt spooked me a bit looking like it was headed for you before correcting.

SUV vs Wagon vs Crossover pls

@jaylever4931

3 жыл бұрын

wagons are the best

@zed7038

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaylever4931 Heck yeah! I'm a Swedish Brick ™ enthusiast. You?

@jaylever4931

3 жыл бұрын

@@zed7038 of course I love the Volvo wagon brick

@EngineeringExplained

3 жыл бұрын

In order of fun? Wagon > Crossover > SUV!

@guycha0s380

Жыл бұрын

Wagon ftw

Nice video! Looks like..... Topanga Canyon?

8:50 Some cars even have a rubber coupling in the middle of the steering column to make it extra squishy! Many Hyundais and even older BMWs (including the E46 M3!!!) for example.

The thing about having different level of power assistance depending on speed is not a new thing and has been around at least for fifteen years. My 2005 Range Rover has such an adaptive system. It does not use an electric pump but has a solenoid that adjusts the response of spool valve in the hydraulic ram. It is controlled by an ECU but the rest of the system is entirely mechanical/hydraulic, including the pump which is driven by a belt off the crankshaft. It works great, giving a very light steering when parking, reversing etc but then tightening up above I think some 15MPH or so.

Fiat Chrysler put electric/hydraulic steering some years ago in Dodge Challengers and Chargers. When I got my 13 Challenger, I looked for the steering reservoir to find out the car has a fully contained electric/hydraulic steering system. The system works very well. The power load on the engine got transferred to the alternator, since the pump is now gone. The electric/hydraulic steering put high cyclical loads on the alternator. The extra load caused some alternators to fail and led to the P60 alternator recall. Mine was replaced without any problems with the original alternator. The systems works very well and I have no complaints. Its interesting to discuss this on a McLaren, though many cars today have electric/hydraulic steering.

The one you didn`t mention is the progressive hydraulic PAS, light when parking and getting heavier the faster you go, this gives the most "feel" when driving, my Subaru Impreza has this, unlike the electric steering which always feels too light and on some makes of car tends to snap back to the straight ahead position too agressively .

I remember "variable power assist" being advertised in the 1980's.

All I know from personal experience, is that my EPS sometimes is inexplicably heavy or noisy, or both. And I've never had issues with hydraulic PS, even neglected 30 year old systems.

After driving an old Miata, yes, I can say full hydraulic feels AMAZING. However why do they feel different? This video explains why McLaren uses this electro-hydrolic, but NOT why hydraulic feels so different to electric. I mean yeah, "micro vibrations" and motor inertia that Jason mentioned, but there's so much more. In my old Miata, I could feel exactly how much weight was on the front axle, plus it would tighten up as you start to load up the steering rack in a corner. I've never felt that in any electric rack load up in a corner as much as that Miata (or my old Accord for that matter too)

Congratulation for 3M. Been here since a long time ago, never missed a video. Keep up the good work.

@EngineeringExplained

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!

One thing I find funny is my little old 98 Saturn SL2 has a variable effort hydraulic steering system when alot of cars even later on never did (until electric steering obviously). It simply has a little electronic valve in the power steering pump that lowers the hydraulic pressure the faster you go and at highway speeds it's bypassed almost entirely giving you a manual rack feel.

@DonziGT230

4 ай бұрын

Lots of cars have that.

@Jakek200

4 ай бұрын

@@DonziGT230 Not really in the american domestic market at least. I can see it being common on european and maybe japanese vehicles. Only american vehicles I can really think of that had it were some 90s-2000s Cadillacs, 1st gen Chevy Traverse (and its relatives) and I think the Corvette. I'm sure there were others but not many.

Do you think by introducing some type of rubber component (or any other elastic component) between the electric motor and the rack could help stop this mass dampening effect? I think McLaren's technology does pretty much the same, but with fluids in a more complicated way. I'm not necessarily talking about rubber here, since with time, especially if we let it dry out, it'll get damaaged, but some type of material that is elastic and durable enough to withstand those forces. This way you get the benefit of having a fully assisted steering in parking situations, but great road feel with the high frequency vibrations and less assisted steering at higher speeds. And since it's an electric motor controlling all of this, for comfort mode, you can ramp up the assist to 100%, while in sport / track mode you can decrease the assist level.

Great video, super informative!!! Was wondering, could you investigate whether hydraulic steering is more effective than electric steering for drifting? I heard that the hydraulic (and manual) racks self center faster/more willingly than electric racks. Can you confirm this, and if so, why? If there's anyone who could explain it, it would be you. Thanks!

Seriously impressive how such a highly tuned engine can tootle around at ~1000 rpm so smoothly.

Another thoroughly intelligent video

The first gen Mazda 3 actually has hydroelectric steering as well, and of the Mazda's I've driven it's my favorite steering feel, so maybe McLaren has a point?

I don’t know! It sounds on the road exactly like my Altima does! Raw experience! Congrats on the 3 mil!

Hey Jason, the electric engine has more inertia than a moving fluid so the benefits of it is to absorb the vibrations due to its mass, but you mentioned that we need those vibrations as an immediate feedback to the driver, my question is that in hydraulic steering system the vibration is too much so it can affect steering performance or it might be good?

I'm not sure if it is the "mass damper" effect of the motor rotor or the one-way mechanical transmission characteristic of the worm gear of the E-PAS systems.

My BRZ steering feels really nice although i think its electric only. This would make sense because a lot of the vibration and things do not come through to the steering wheel, but the feel for turning the car is very nice. Apparently for the second generation they deleted some features from the eyesight system to prevent it from having a negative impact on steering feel, which is a nice consideration.

@TassieLorenzo

3 жыл бұрын

The BRZ has a manual steering rack, with the electric assist motor located on the column. This tends to give a better feel, than the rack-mounted motor that brands like BMW use. :)

11:03 Poor fly wanted to share its engineering knowledge on the white surface below, but you disturbed its effort... I expected YOU would understand =D

Bruh that soupy thick fog tho “warm and sunny California.” On a mountain with a low visibility car is pretty scary ngl.

Car manufacturers should implement the force feedback system that is used for computer steering wheels in electric steering

@cekpi7

3 жыл бұрын

Why? You can feel the road with electric as well, just not those micro twitches since they are usually filtered. Force feedback would just throw you off and make driving unpleasant.

@cc41488

3 жыл бұрын

Not if its properly done, Logitech can help them out since they have prior experience with force feedback systems. I've driven a new F150 with electric steering and the experience was abismal , no feedback what so ever

not saying you are wrong or anything towards the end, but i can definitely tell you when i am driving a a electric steered vehicle. my first time driving one of the newer GLEs a few year ago was my first experience with electric steering and i had no idea it was electric, but it felt so different i knew it was something much different than hydraulic.