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@scivirus3563

Жыл бұрын

you should do a Vod on teh G6 Cannon form South Africa ..it shot down aircraft with a prototype

@DaveSCameron

Жыл бұрын

Just wait until the Germans get on bourd with the Italians and British! 😂

@t.j.mccarthy3517

Жыл бұрын

The Raphael is just a pimped out F-16 with two engines.

@kaiying74

Жыл бұрын

Meme sponsor is meme.

@misterthemad994

Жыл бұрын

4:24 No.

What most people fail to understand is that once opposing aircraft are within visual range, stealth is no longer an important characteristic - at that point, it's a dog fight. At that point, it depends on the attributes of both aircraft and pilot.

@edhoncho157

Жыл бұрын

I think what most people failed to understand is that you have been watching too much topgun maverick to think this.

@edhoncho157

Жыл бұрын

I think what most people failed to understand is that you have been watching too much topgun maverick to think this.

@chraffis

Жыл бұрын

@@edhoncho157 Please explain to me how he is wrong.

@simongeorge7026

Жыл бұрын

He's not, once you get into visual range stealth is all but irrelevant. F22's have been shot down by F/A18' Super Hornets in visual combat.

@alexm566

Жыл бұрын

Stealth also isn't absolute against radar. A strong enough radar at a close enough range will still detect you.

"If it is beautiful, it will fly well." - Marcel Dassault

@BlueTrane2028

Жыл бұрын

It is, and it does.

@yhird

Жыл бұрын

@@BlueTrane2028 👍👍👍

@narmale

Жыл бұрын

makes me miss the F-15, light, nimble and agile... but its still way better looking than the Eagle

@Comanchee0689

Жыл бұрын

@@narmale the f15 was anything but light.

@slavetool9066

Жыл бұрын

Clarence Kelly Johnson said the same

That is why we bought 12 of them. Merci France from Croatia

@Sternjaeger

Жыл бұрын

We hope they will serve you well. Cheers from France! 🤝

A French pilot once stated, something along the lines of: Everybody relies on me, all the nation, the support crew, the manufacturer, and it comes down to me, to fight for them all. There are few of us, but with all that support we must work much harder.

@Rose.Of.Hizaki

Жыл бұрын

*_'Never in the field of human conflict was so much been owed by so many to so few'_* - Winston Churchill, 1940

@PD-we8vf

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a typical French narcissist. An american would claim he relied on his support staff.

@MP-wb5yd

Жыл бұрын

@@PD-we8vf sounds like typical American arrogance

@elberethvarda5270

Жыл бұрын

@@PD-we8vf That's exactly what makes the difference between both our nations: we don't see things the same way!

@Migoyan

Жыл бұрын

@@PD-we8vf Lmao this isn't narcissism, it's simply taking the responsibility in order to not waste others' efforts.

Unfair comment about France air contribution in 20th century. Bleriot XI first modern monoplane. First aerial kill in history (Voisin). First straight forward shooting machine (Morane bullet). Main provider for US air force in WW1 (spad XIII and Nieuport 28). Fastest aircraft in WW1. Highest ace of all allies to this day (René Fonck). Many concepts (fuselage, canards, camaraderie, mayday, pan). Highest mig destroyer ace was in a Mirage. Ignoring all this is quite unfair.

Since the 2003 second Gulf War, there has been a “French bashing” bias in the US general public, which has continued - somewhat abated - up to now. Maybe this is the reason why Dark Skies considers that before the Dassault Rafale the French aircraft builders were not worth consideration. But the Rafale does not come from nowhere! Dark Skies, inter alia, overlooks the very notable performances of the Mirage III - also a fighter by Dassault - in the hands of the Israeli Air Force during the 1967 Six Days War and during the 1973 Yom Kippur War. __ .

@kimberlysabillon3005

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY ! The Mirage III was the go-to fighter in the world in the mid to late 1960s.

@joso5554

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Just ask the Israeli… The Mirage III and 2000 were great export successes, and Dassault fighters always had a reputation for great reliability and low maintenance times and costs, especially as opposed to US fighters. Typically 2 to 4 times less maintenance hours per flight hour, as per user stats. That’s something user nations highly value. More than 1400 of the Mirage III and derivatives were sold worldwide to a total of 21 countries. Not bad for a 100% French fighter jet.

@eleventy-seven

Жыл бұрын

US citizen here. It might surprise you that many of us think the F35 is junk. The Rafale is a remarkable plane as is the Grippen from Saab. Not all of us are blinded by nationalisn.

@That_Bender

Жыл бұрын

American chiming in here, as well. I 100% agree about the Mirage, it's still in service with the Pakistani AF. Not bad considering it was designed in the 1950's. I would like to see even more European aircraft covered on this channel; unique designs and technologies, etc. And yes, the "French-bashing" was prevalent, but it's since tapered off, especially after the Paris bombing in 2018, that's when I noticed a drastic decline.

@WallabsFR

Жыл бұрын

yep.. that's right.. there are still upgraded Mirage V waiting to be phased out, but still a formidable opponent..

No matter how superior an aircraft may be, any modern aircraft, in the hands of a great pilot, is a very deadly threat to the superior aircraft. The F-22 is awesome, but not invincible. The dessault is a great aircraft and is a real potent threat to any aircraft flying today, when flown by a talented and experienced pilot.

@Struggle.Snuggles

Жыл бұрын

Well said. No matter how great a aircraft can be, its only as good as the pilot that flies it. I know many stories of pilots doing amazing things with less then desirable air craft.

@4R8YnTH3CH33F

Жыл бұрын

I mean, this is a very noble thought and all, but simply is not true in reality. Modern air to air combat is facilitated using air to air missiles, hundreds of miles outside of dogfighting range. The reality is that with the F22s superior avionics and much smaller radar cross section it would win 999/1000 times against a Rafale or any other last gen aircraft. The difference in tech is insurmountable.

@arpioisme

Жыл бұрын

Funny thing is, nowadays the limiting factor in a combat aircraft is the human pilot

@thomashart9304

Жыл бұрын

@@4R8YnTH3CH33F that was also the thinking early in the Vietnam conflict, so much so that the F-4 Phantom didn't even have a gun. We quickly recognized that this was a mistake, and installed a gunpod underneath the fuselage. While modern missiles are significantly more reliable and deadly then those in the 1960s-'70s, if there is an all-out air war against a foe with well trained pilots and a large fleet of modern planes, at some point there will be melees with engagement at spitting distances. At that point, stealth doesn't matter, pilot skill is everything

@shengyi1701

Жыл бұрын

It’s not the plane. It’s the pilot - Top Gun Maverick

In 1967, a small nation defeted 4 enemy airforces simultaniously. This small nation had all French Jets.

@jameshastey3058

Жыл бұрын

Indeed - yet the origin of the jets used by the Israelis had nothing to do with the outcome of Operation Moked. The superior training and tactics of the Israeli Air Force is what brought about victory.

@seanprice7645

Жыл бұрын

... you were fighting mig-21's get over yourselves. israeli military history is all beating up on its neighbors with "lent" US hardware that never gets paid back. nothing to be proud of.

@niksarass

Жыл бұрын

@@jameshastey3058 Not only that. The French aircrafts had superior performances that they thought they would have. This is recounted by Officers and Top jet era ace after they received Ouragan, mysteres, Super Mystere and Mirage

@arthas640

Жыл бұрын

Does anyone know why they switched to pretty much nothing but American equipment afterwards? They also had tons of American stuff before the 6 day War, creating a small window of French suppliers

@AquilaCrotalusEsox

Жыл бұрын

@@arthas640 France ended up putting weapon embargoes on Israel

As an American, the F22 and F35 are technological marvels, but I just think they are simply too expensive and too fragile. I really like the pride the French took in the Dassault. I get tired of all the globalist and the danger a one world government poses to people. Definitely good to humble some people on this side of the pond.

@josephsmith6777

Жыл бұрын

The f35 is really a intelligence bird for planes like the Rafael and the f15 the amount of computing power is insane and I don't think any dog fighting is in it's future especially since it can shoot directly behind it and will probably be using drones and f15 bomb trucks

@josephsmith6777

Жыл бұрын

You have give France credit for the Rafael and it's pilots

@josephsmith6777

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainDangeax and everyone knows u are french

The most beautiful one plus one of the best! And i want to point out the crazy fact that he never suffered a single critical mechanical issue, all RAFAL's who crashed it was because of human error.

@LordHolley

Жыл бұрын

You must be French lol. I'm just kidding, it is a good looking plane.

@bishopoftroy

Жыл бұрын

Croissant avec le brag ulala.

@Rose_Butterfly98

Жыл бұрын

The most interesting one was when the pilot didn't switch tanks properly and the engine had no fuel.

@anteeko

Жыл бұрын

There was even a mechanical failure that saved one Rafale: a civial passenger panicked and pull the ejection seat, a failure prevented the pilot seat to eject and the pilot managed to land the plane.

A lot of tech in a hugely small package! Kudos to the Rafale design team.

@donkeypox1943

Жыл бұрын

Yep and they built Smegma engines LOL

@JesusFriedChrist

Жыл бұрын

Still nothing in comparison to the F-22 which is in it’s own league.

@andrewday3206

Жыл бұрын

Hugely small…. Great comment

@ssnerd583

Жыл бұрын

@@JesusFriedChrist .....there is at least ONE F22 jockey who would be at odds with that.

Dassault has always built damn good fighter aircraft.

@khaelamensha3624

Жыл бұрын

Yes since the 1930s!

The Rafale looks to be an absolutely amazing plane, and the US should be glad the F-22 got out maneuvered by it in my opinion, keeps them humble and on their toes even if they tried to deny it. If you underestimate your adversary, they will not cease to surprise you and take full advantage of it, and in the battlefield you may not live past that first surprise, best to learn those lessons in training anyway.

@watermelongaming3698

Жыл бұрын

@@phillipbanes5484 True. Pull out a Rafale in Ace Combat and a tryhard Raptor is going to QAAM you into oblivion. (Obviously this is pretty much unrelated, but still)

@aarondavies8486

Жыл бұрын

Hahah Americans humble that's the funniest thing I have read for a long time

@brandonk.2485

Жыл бұрын

Many aspects of the f-22's capabilities are top secret. Including things it can do in a dog fight. F-22 pilots are forbidden from using the aircraft to its full potential while involved in training with "friendly" nations. If the raffal got one on the 22 cool. Let the 22 pilot fly to the machines full potential and let's see how many times it gets the 22. My bet is on zero..

@kittytrail

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonk.2485 sure, sure... 🙄 y'all yanks are still seethin' and copin' for that dogfight. 🤭

@rhodesnd3670

Жыл бұрын

@@kittytrail atleast we can manage to actually export aircraft in decent numbers 😂

I loved this French aircraft tthe moment I saw it fly. Absolutely beautiful piece of machinery .

@spikenomoon

9 ай бұрын

They have still lost every war they’ve ever fought.

@HayotsRoman

7 ай бұрын

​@@spikenomoon This is a myth, conjured up by who knows who and parroted as a cliché by those who believe in old wives' tales. In reality, the French have fought more wars in Europe than anyone else (over 900!). Over half of which they've won. Of the remaining half, they ended in a draw. These are impressive statistics from their military history. Furthermore, France is the only nation that for many years fought simultaneously against three empires and consistently defeated them all - the Napoleonic Wars. At that time, France battled the Austrian Empire, British, and Russian. They even humiliated the Ottoman Empire in Egypt. France's record remains unbeaten. Hitler's Germany didn't last even 5 years. During World War I, it was primarily the French who bore the brunt of the war. The USA should actually take pride in having France as a military ally. By the way, without whom, perhaps there would be no USA.

@spikenomoon

7 ай бұрын

@@HayotsRoman lmao your one of those guys. My history is correct yours is wrong. Lmao. I don’t know I just know from historical evidence I can kinda validate. They suck at winning but are really good at being wing men. Tell me something why did they help us in the revolution. For us or for themselves. they believed they would become more powerful than Britain. Oops

I've seen this plane a few times at airshows.. it's freaking amazing.

@RoadmasterLimited

Жыл бұрын

11 Gs 😮

@loduke3905

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the F22 is a beaut.

@simtalkayak

Жыл бұрын

@@loduke3905 I personally prefere the Rafale :)

I live on the western mediterranean coast, the beach gets buzzed in summer by rafales at very low speed with a 23-27 degrees attack angle at perhaps400metres from the surf and no more than 50 metres from the surface of the sea. very close formation, a sight to behold.

Great looking plane. 14 hard points on that size of plane really shows the advantages of a delta.

Amazing aircraft but you forgot to mention that Greece is the latest user of the plane with 24 units that they keep on coming.

@pieterveenders9793

Жыл бұрын

He forgot to mention Brazil as well, but he can't list every single country France sold Rafales to, that would take too long, so he just mentioned some of the biggest sales.

@hellrecon1980

Жыл бұрын

@@pieterveenders9793 Croatia bought only 12 . Not to mention that they all used ones…

@anteeko

Жыл бұрын

@@pieterveenders9793 I think Brazil didnt buy the Rafale

@abe000torte

Жыл бұрын

@@anteeko Didn't they bought the Gripen insteed ?

@anteeko

Жыл бұрын

@@abe000torte I believe you are right

You forgot to say that Greece also ordered 24 Rafale from France (Both new and used) in 2021. Greece as of today has 8 Rafale jets

This video isn’t very fair to the the French- Dassault have a history of producing outstanding aircraft. As for people claiming that the F-22 doesn’t perform to the full extent of its capability during international exercises; this is true *but* is usually in reference to electronic warfare suites. The Rafale was likely operating under similar restrictions and it wouldn’t affect either aircraft in BFM. Suggesting the Rafale was max performing while the F-22 was limited is misleading. Let’s face it though, if an F-22 gets in BFM in real life something has gone wrong.

I know aesthetics mean little in air combat but the Rafale is a very good looking plane.

@stewpacalypse7104

Жыл бұрын

I can't remember his exact words but Chuck Yeager said something akin to 'Every fast plane looks fast, if it looks slow it is.'

@DavidLee-df888

Жыл бұрын

@@inominate2024 I have no idea why or indeed what are criticising me for. I simply said the Rafale is good looking... By saying I'm not correct you are saying it is ugly?

@chraffis

Жыл бұрын

A good looking plane is a good plane

@pieterveenders9793

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidLee-df888 No. You originally said "aesthetics mean little in air combat", the guy who replied to you was trying to say that actually there generally is a relationship between the two, that often you can see from its shape whether it will be an agile and fast airplane.

@niksarass

Жыл бұрын

It's designer Marcel Dassault said exactly the opposite. If it looks good it flies well

Eating cheese? Surrendering? Non, Monsieur, kicking ze ass! You've got to admire the French aviation industry. They've done very well since the Concorde collaboration when, as part of the deal, Britain spaffed away all its patents to them. And I've got to love the Rafale, like two F-16s stuck together.

When we Austrians were looking for a replacement for our aged Saab Draken, the Rafale was one candidate as well. And my personal favorite due to it being THE most BEAUTIFUL one. Sadly our knuckhead leadership chose the Teurofighter (there is a word play in there with "teuer" meaning "expensive" in german). Rationally we should have gone Saab again, with the current model of the Gripen being a really cost effective fighter that can do everything Austria will ever need.

@entropy_of_principles

Жыл бұрын

..and sadly to say, your Austrian ones is Tranche 1 second hand, without ground attack capability, entschuldigung mich fur schlechte Nachrichten ! 😜

@sim.frischh9781

Жыл бұрын

@@entropy_of_principles Bloss ein weiterer Nagel im Sarg. Aber vor einer Weile hab ich Gerüchte gehört dass man den Teurofighter austauschen will gegen den Aermacchi M-346 "Master". Das is die italienische Variante des russischen Jettrainers.

@niksarass

Жыл бұрын

That's not the worse. The worse is countries choosing the f35 over the Rafale...

@NATObait

Жыл бұрын

Switzerland's choice of F35 is stealth so they can drop boxes of chocolates around the neighborhood and no one will know where they came from. Merry Christmas

@NATObait

Жыл бұрын

Austria are looking to fit the Litening targeting pod to the Eurofighters and are purchasing 3 more used 2 seater used aircraft from Germany. Basically Austria has been reluctant to spend money and sponged off neighbors to defend their democracy. Ukraine has come as a shock to what was blatantly obvious for a decade. No sympathy for them !

before this a squadron of German Eurofighters scored kills on F22s at Red Flag. According to one of the German pilots "To beat the F22 you get in close and you stay there. Its a bigger aircraft and we could out turn it despite its thrust vectoring."

The guy stretched the limits of his aircraft and his body just to win a 'mock' dogfight? Good man!

Good video! One thing worth mentioning: SPECTRA and it's active cancelation technology. The exact specifications are unknown. One reason why the F-22 got into trouble, was that it didn't know the Rafale was lurcing. Some believe that is why the US tried to keep the incident a secret. It doesn't change the fact that the F-22 is the most potent fighter on the planet.

@quantumthings5894

Жыл бұрын

SPECTRA isn't an active cancelation technology, that's a myth (but a cool one). SPECTRA is a counter-measure system. it's mean to analyse incoming radar and thermal signature to give the pilot a global view of the battlefield. it's helping him greatly reduce his radar exposure and propose him maneuver to evade incoming missile. it's also in charge of electronic warfare and decoy management. It's say to be one of the best, if not the best, combat assistance system in the world.

@N911GT2

Жыл бұрын

No it isn’t it’s outdated. So outdated in fact that they can’t even build it anymore. And they are fasing it out already without one combat mission. Ever…

@stormiewutzke4190

Жыл бұрын

That statement misses a lot of context and is borderline untrue. It's still the most potent air to air fighter out there and will be for some time. Budgets change and it may or may not be around for longer than projected. The problem is it's low production and the fact that it's not a great multi roll fighter. The F-35 took all the production lines so there is no cost savings by running a new model. It's better to start over. It's still potent enough that it is used as a deterrent so that says a lot. Somehow that sounds different to what you said and people don't misunderstand.

@apolloaero

Жыл бұрын

The active cancelation part of SPECTRA is actually a DRFM, and it doesn't work against AESA or any other rapid frequency hopping radar because of physics

@ohmannhey

Жыл бұрын

@@stormiewutzke4190 I wrote: "It doesn't change the fact that the F-22 is the most potent fighter on the planet."

This highlights the importance of training. Finds holes in our allies defenses and strengthen them.

air combat is more than just the plane type. Even the best combination of pilot and plane, one little mistake, can result in a loss in combat.

The Rafale defeats were, to my knowledge, restricted to those cases where the fight took place Beyond Visual Range ; at the US' officers insistance, Rafale's integrated suite of countermeasure and active stealth SPECTRA was switched off. Meaning that in BVR, the Rafale fought against the F-22 with its main defence disabled. Not mentioned in this video, Rafale's integrated active defense system is called SPECTRA, and its goal is to make the Rafale detected as if it were another plane, in another place, or not at all - it supposedly can spoof any radar or detection system it is programmed for, and can be updated with a software patch - for example, those old infrared SAMs that can detect a F-22 or a F-35 won't work against the Rafale. Problem is, SPECTRA works so well that when engaged in a US or UK managed zone, Rafales must switch off SPECTRA to allow allies to see the planes... Back to the dogfight, a series of 6 fights ended with 5 draws and 1 Rafale victory over the F-22 - we're talking a delta winged small aircraft that can't reach Mach 2 against a vectored thrust monster that can go Mach 2.5 and turn on a dime. The latter should DESTROY the former, and it still got shot. Okay, that can happen - bad breakfast, pilot has a brainfart, whatever. The thing that caused outrage, was that first the US denied the "kill". Then, when the French Air Force unveiled the footage, they still denied it, saying that the F-22 had retained its external fuel tanks by mistake and was thus not manoeuvring as well as it could... Except said tanks were invisible at any moment on the video, and even then, the pilot could have jettisoned them. And strangely, after that event, any new orders for the F-22 were cancelled and the French Air Force was never invited to a competition again. Were all those somewhat related?

It is hilarious how the USAF will not say they got shot down during any training exercises, and generally US Military as a whole will not say they lost during any training exercise.

Outstanding as always! 💯

I am glad and proud for the French. As an American, it's nice to know other countries can excel and defend themselves. America shouldn't have to defend and police the rest of the world.

@georgeshardy1878

Жыл бұрын

Tout à fait d'accord avec vous salutation de France

What's with the footage of A-4 construction? The French have collaborated with other nations of some projects, but their aviation industry is largely self-sufficient (Mystere, Mirage III/IV/V, 2000). The Mirage III was exported all over the place. Rafale is seeing some good exports lately.

Great video as usual love the content bud hope you could do a video on the Euro fighter typhoon

I fell in love with the Mirage III reading the French comic series "Les Chevaliers du Ciel; Les Aventures de Tanguy et Laverdure".

@athrunzala6770

Жыл бұрын

then you have to see the film of the same name which is magnificent. it was made in collaboration with the French Air Force. and they lowered the limits of engagement and closeness of the aircraft

@topgundoc01

Жыл бұрын

@@athrunzala6770 Hi :-) Yes, of course, I have that film and always enjoy watching Capt. Marchelli's flying including the John Derry roll and that nice barrel roll attack in the first chase scene. When I did my aerobatics rating we did not try the John Derry roll unfortunately.

Its a shame we don't know more about the training scenario set up, this could have been set for defending against a attack from the rear : ie the Raptor has to try and evade the Rafale. That however, doesn't take away anything from the French plane, its very small, loads of thrust and delta wings with canards, its going to be a real problem in the hands of a good pilot.

@lyianx

Жыл бұрын

This was my thought. Wondered what the setup was for it. It also being a training scenario means the pilots were there to learn. Not to knock the french pilots, but its not really an indictment on the F-22 if it happened in training.

@BlueTrane2028

Жыл бұрын

I put this in a separate comment, but the F-22 is considered the best because it can kill about anything at ranges beyond which other aircraft can do. HOWEVER, it may not necessarily be the best dogfighter, and if you get close, you have a chance, as the Rafale proved. Now, how likely it is for an airplane to get that close without some sort of setup... unknown. The US is starting to forget that dogfighting is essential for a fighter just as they did in the Vietnam era. There could be some extremely embarrassing events in the future as a result of that. I also think the legacy F-15, 16 and 18 fighters are likely to stick around for quite some time, because they were built around dogfighting (especially the 16).

@ommsterlitz1805

Жыл бұрын

It's not very small lol it's slightly bigger than an F-35 but still it's the first and only plane to carry 2.5 times it's weight in ordnances this is truly amazing

@jameson1239

Жыл бұрын

I believe the video from the Rafale pilots POV is on KZread

@Pouncer9000

Жыл бұрын

@@BlueTrane2028 The F-22 has thrust vectoring and is an absolute monster in a dogfight. Another French Rafale pilot went up against them and she was really uncomfortable with how it could track her in a way that had little to do with aerodynamics, more like the gun turret of a tank!

4:22 France has never "relied on other European nations to collaborate and develop fighter jets." We value strategic autonomy and we have a fully independent industry. At the beginning of each program we probe the partners to see whether we can decrease R&D and production costs together - without loosing full leadership or having our technologies stolen. So far, we have never cooperated. French parliament recently unlocked budget for the 6th generation fighter jet in case we don't get what we want during negociations with Germany and Spain (full leadership, allowing partners to join only for components they can do better).

@Migoyan

Жыл бұрын

We were part of the Eurofighter program before dropping out so saying we have never cooperated is a bit much. Still we're also not completely independent as we train our naval pilots on American carrier before they start to serve on the Charles de Gaule.

@edouardmontfort7816

Жыл бұрын

@@Migoyan just the meaning of "relying on". Thanks.

@Migoyan

Жыл бұрын

@@edouardmontfort7816 but not the meaning of "So far, we have never cooperated."

@edouardmontfort7816

Жыл бұрын

@@Migoyan "France has never RELIED ON other European nations to COLLABORATE and develop FIGHTER JETS". Read carefully, go check definitions eventually, and go teach your mom if you still feel like schooling someone. Thank you.

@Migoyan

Жыл бұрын

@@edouardmontfort7816 bro I litteraly cited your comment, it seems I already read more carefully than you. Maybe check a doctor even if amnesia at your age might be normal.

France didn’t rely on European cooperation before Rafale (beside UK-French Jaguar). Dassault Ouragan, Mirage III and 2000 were entirely French from the avionics to the engine.

my 2 cents (im french) - They're not coming from nowhere, Dassault exported a variety of Mirages and the plane has been praised for it's versatibility and low cost of maintenance. - i fail to understand how low radar signature from the F-22 is relevant in a dogfight situation Proud of my country but also proud to be friend with americans 🤜🤛

Excellent video overview of the Rafale, but the theme of the underrated French aerial military prowess is very overstated. After all, the French produced the rightfully legendary Mirage fighter series, which the Israelis used in the 1960s and 1970s to dominate the combat skies over the Levant in two history-changing wars . Introduced in the 1980s, the Mirage 2000 series quietly but irrepressibly became one of the classic generation 4 fighters, which includes the American F-16 and F-15: with its innovative fly-by-wire avionics, composite material construction, and increasingly sophisticated upgrades, the Mirage 2000 not only won large overseas client sales but also, crucially racked up a sterling combat performance history, having served superbly in combat arenas spanning from both Iraq wars to the Balkans conflicts; from India's confrontations with Pakistan to coalition sorties in Afghanistan; and in combat situations throughout Africa to even South America. Startlingly agile, versatile, and dependable, the later variants of the Mirage 2000 continue to serve as a frontline multi-role fighter for numerous nations, including Greece, India, Taiwan, and, of course, France. So, yes, the Rafale is the generation 4.5 that, after a long gestation period and a once long fallow period in terms of overseas sales, quietly but irrefutably proven its mettle in its sophistication, versatility, superb performance, all of which has made it a relatively late-blooming but undeniable commercial success. The legendary Mirage III, Mirage F-1, the iconic Mirage 2000, and now the Rafale all provide an unbroken, sustained history of French military aviation excellence, a proven reputation of performance and success spanning six decades that refutes any false notion that France's military aviation reputation is unjustly underrated. Perhaps it is, but not to the extent that this otherwise excellent video suggests.

@mathieudubois8616

Жыл бұрын

I am far from being an expert but I agree with you (disclaimer: I'm French ;). Also, I think that the statement about the World War I is not relative (percentage of loss rather than raw numbers) and lacks some context: the Trench War was fought mainly on French territory so French troops may have been more exposed (think Verdun), they fought for four years (which is not true for other allied), etc. That being said, it is well known that some generals didn't take soldier's life into consideration when planning their attacks.

Most of the boy's I talked to have only good things to say about Dasault. I am enamored with solid works and their additive machining process.

Seen flying at 17mph?! Not a chance!! 17mph would be a stall and a crash.

I think this is the best European Fighter Jet ever built - and certainly way more reliable than the Eurofighter - and.. it looks sexy as hell ^^

Thank you for the video.

Of all the fighters I’ve seen flying, 3 particularly stood out to me. The F- 22’s BRUTAL excess power being able to give the plane massive amount of kinetic energy to move about the vertical access in addition to the manoeuvrability on the pitch axis by the thrust vectoring. The Su-35 massive wing area and large control surfaces in conjunction with its thrust vectoring gives it bizzare, almost fake flight handling capabilities at speeds way too low to be able to fly. Have you ever seen a full size Russian fighter jet pivoting around its yaw axis like a 3D RC plane? Then the Rafale, a plane issued from a long lineage of delta fighters…With such gracious lines… Compare it to the 2 previously mentioned planes, it is very compact, roughly the size of a F-16. It flies with such elegance, and has remarquable maneuverability. It doesn’t need any thrust vectoring gizmo or had to give up any design feature due to stealth requirements. It seems like Dassault engineer produced an aerodynamic masterpiece. Watch a video featuring a low speed/high AOA pass and you will see the canards being lined up with the relative air, and not pointed up like a Eurofighter for example. An amazing package with proven combat and carrier-based capability. it is truly one of the best modern fighter in existance,.

Enough of the misinformation; context matters. Context: The Raphael is by far an inferior aircraft to the F-22 and the F-35 in all regards except cost. The rules of the engagement were such that the F-22 started out slower and lower in order to let the Rafale gain the advantage for training purposes. Until this change and others were made, the F-22(s) defeated every Raphael. The same training techniques are used in pretty much every NATO/US training engagement so that other aircraft (F-15,, F-16, F18, etc) have a chance to dogfight with the F-22. This is how we simulate unknown capabilities of Russian and Chinese aircraft in visual range engagements. The F-22 and F-35 practice dogfighting against the F-117 for stealth engagement simulations. The Raphael sensors can't see the F-22. But yes, if we change the rules to take away all advantages the F-22 has over all other aircraft then it comes down to which pilot makes the first mistake.

@Mobius118

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for providing the context many others miss. Can’t wait to see them reeeeeee below but for now it’s good to see someone else knows what’s up

@jeromeportier4914

9 ай бұрын

The context matters. Doesn’t mean you can make it up. There’s no credible report stating that the F22 started lower or slower. The outcome is meaningless anyway. Any decently agile jet can challenge another in a dogfight. The F-22 is probably a good dogfighter but that’s not what it was built for. And by the way, the Mirage 2009-9 that also beat the F-22… was the F-22 low and slow again? Sour grapes…

Anyone who would dismiss, off hand, the Rafale is a fool. This aircraft is VERY well done in every aspect of design and execution. The Rafale is one of the best avion de guerre flying today.

French here, loved the video ! Rafale is the pride of our Navy and Air Force, thanks for this amazing work. Jumped out of my seat when I heard about french aircrafts not being successful before the Rafale though

@MSAINT-bn4vj

8 ай бұрын

Yep, it's like the Mirage range of planes from the 60's to the 90's didn't exist !

Beat an F-22 in a dogfight once. That's a neat and rare feat, but 9 times out of 10 the battle will be decided before it even comes to that, so...

@I_Cunt_Spell

Жыл бұрын

F-22 kills its pilots 9 times out of 10.

@durandil

Жыл бұрын

But the Rafale also killed some F-22s in BVR. The F-22 won't always win.

@Dubanx

Жыл бұрын

@@durandil Source? Video says they pulled a crap ton of Gs to win that one fight. Which can only be BFM.

@durandil

Жыл бұрын

@@Dubanx Yes he pulled a lot of Gs... just like the F-22. During these trainings, it was mainly BVR fights. But pilots made "unofficial" dogfights. But during one of the "official" trainings, one Rafale switched off its radar and use its OSF to detect the F-22. The F-22 may be stealth against radars, but it's not invisible. The Rafale then shot a MICA-IR. The F-22's pilot didn't believe at first he was shot down, and thought it was a mistake. Source : french air force

After the Indian Air Force bought the Rafale, it saw a great boost in exports. Otherwise they were being ignored, which was bad! This jet is a deadly bee with a poisonous sting!

@athrunzala6770

Жыл бұрын

it has often been ignored for geopolitical issues ... it has won most of the competitions in which it was offered

@pioline741

Жыл бұрын

first order through egypt and not india.

You should make a playlist with each plane in order of creation date as a way to see how far planes have come.

F-22 consired as the most advanced jet of its time : Meanwhile data fusion :

You forgot to mention that the Rafale looks bad ass!

Some say that if Dassault had the same budget as the NASA they would have already land on Mars decades ago…

I Love Dark Skies, would Love to see one done on the Typhoon also.

Considering that the Rafale was developed contemporaneously with the supposedly amazing Eurofighter Typhoon, but went into service many years sooner, I would have some respect for the principle of an aircraft being developed and built within a single country rather than being horse-traded around several nations with differing opinions and influences. This wasn't the first time that the French went their own way in preference to a pan-European project - their Mirage was better and sooner than the Panavia Tornado (aka 'Flying Blue Circle', because of the concrete in its nose where radar should have been) - good enough that Margaret Thatcher had to beg Francois Mitterand not to support Argentina's Mirages in 1982, because they and their (French) Exocet missiles were too dangerous for British forces trying to retake the Malvinas/Falklands. The French also stayed clear of adopting US-controlled nuclear weaponry, opting to keep their own independent deterrent rather than following the UK by renting Polaris and Trident from the USA (I couldn't call it 'buying' - we paid, but the US still effectively owns the warheads). This was part of the reason why world-leading nuclear science evaporated from the UK, while the French retained the capability to (for instance) build nuclear power stations...so now, who does the UK need to build new nuclear power stations, I wonder...?

i think the pilot was interviewed and hinted he pulled way more than 9g , f14 pilots would do that when they disabled the computer limits by pulling fuses . how that got a win with vectored thrust on the f22 idk but we have g limiters on our stuff. but next to vectored thrust canards are the best way to get extreme maneuverability

The Raid Shadow Legends Video with an adevtisent for the Rafael!

This is probably the best looking military aircraft ever built. The f22 gets “slickest”

Hidden gem channel featuring these fighters - "chasse embarquee".

The Rafale, best plane ever!

I first saw the Rafale in a libary book back in middle school, in 1995. It immediately became my favorite non-American aircraft. As an American, the delta-canard layout seemed something completely radical yet entirely sensible once I looked up what the canard can do. It makes the aircraft incredibly hard to stall, hence the extremely low minimum airspeed claims, although I highly doubt it was actually 17mph. I designed a paper airplane that looked as close to the Rafale as a 6th grader could pull off, and it's still my favorite one to make. Back to the real airplane. I've heard it said that the box on the tail contains an active radar cancellation device, which could potentially be the "classified" feature mentioned in the video. If that's really what's going on, it's an incredible leap, being able to concentrate on aerodynamics and not simply stealth and still end up with a stealthy aircraft. I didn't know about the 2009 shoot down, but I'm not at all surprised. America is forgetting the lessons learned in Vietnam, where the concept of dogfighting was considered to be outdated. Just launch a missile and that'll solve everything. The reason the F22 is so incredible is it can identify and destroy enemies farther away than any other aircraft. But, as the Rafale has shown, if you get in close to it, you have a chance. For this reason, I see the F-15, 16 and 18 sticking around for quite a while yet. They were built during the "we need to dogfight and win" era, with the F-16 being the poster child of that time. So back to the Rafale. You are completely correct that it is ignored at the peril of those who do so. I'm glad to see a presentation on it.

@_implying

Жыл бұрын

>America is forgetting the lessons learned in Vietnam, where the concept of dogfighting was considered to be outdated. Just launch a missile and that'll solve everything. this also it leads to stagnation in airframe design. i want more wacky shit like the x29, the x31, and tacit blue. (yes i am still salty about the su-47, how can you tell?)

@BlueTrane2028

Жыл бұрын

@@_implying the X-29 is my favorite non military jet by far. More of that for sure.

@yanyanchan2199

Жыл бұрын

The F-22 was built for dogfighting though. Just watch any airshow video with one in it. It’s not just missiles and stealth that make it what it is. If that doesn’t convince you, just look at the overall performance of F-22s in any exercise. I mean, the numbers must mean something right? I don’t see how one defeat would go on to indicate America is losing its touch on fighter doctrine. It’s not like the older fighters are doing spectacularly better than the F-22.

@narmale

Жыл бұрын

i swore he said 17 mph too lol!... maybe he ment 70... checked aviation forum and they say 80 km/h which is still INSANE...

@_implying

Жыл бұрын

@@BlueTrane2028 same, theres just something about it that i love

Enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up

A lot of historic approximation and one-eyed interpretation, especialy on the 20th century and WWI...I like both planes F-22 and Rafale: there both iconic in there own generation of jets. Two legends with two differents philosophy of design. The 2009 confrontation only highlight that. Love both.

Everyone thinks stealth means invisible but it’s far from it. It means reduced radar return and it’s usually best from the front. That being said, any pilot could beat any other if they don’t use the right maneuvers and tactics.

@jjeherrera

Жыл бұрын

In other words: "It's not the plane. It's the pilot." Chuck Yaeger.

So that's what an F-16 would look like with two engine and Canards . Very beautiful ! 😍

@joso5554

Жыл бұрын

Look at the F-16XL. That was an excellent and beautiful plane.

@athrunzala6770

Жыл бұрын

with the French class in addition: p

@khaelamensha3624

Жыл бұрын

Yep but in the Rafale we have a wine cellar build in 😂 Regards from France 😉

As the great Colin Chapman said, "simplify and add lightness" which I think has worked out very well for the french here

The Mirage III was the Premier Fighter aircraft of the 1960s, as proven by Israel during the 6 Day War.

The Rafale was in the running to replace the CF-18 here in Canada, but withdrew when the government here stated they wanted a US fighter due to NORAD requirements. Now our Prime Minister (worst in our history, by far) is locked into buying the F35. (The one plane he vowed not to buy, ironically enough)

@pigeonpoo1823

Жыл бұрын

If it's any consolation, NZ, Australia and Scotland are also ran by the worst in history. Coincidence........

@hogansheroes2793

Жыл бұрын

Justin Trudope!

@chrisburke624

Жыл бұрын

@@pigeonpoo1823 you know what's funny in a terrifying kind of way? Our PM basically just outlawed all firearms, including hunting rifles - even though legal gun owners basically don't commit any gun crimes. They passed a carbon tax which has cost everything to soar, and are about to triple it Have no accountability at all. They keep getting nailed with ethics violations, but nothing happens... Assuming Australia, NZ, Scotland are the same?

@pigeonpoo1823

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisburke624 the list is simply too long before crying sets in. But let's just mention, lockdown madness (and police enforcement), C19 shot mandates worldwide but UK allowing 1/2m immigrants in who didn't need a shot, government C19 contracts and billions going missing, EV laws, green taxes, the collusion of big tech MSM and government to supply one side of any given narrative, the culture war normality is losing (eg people losing their jobs for saying there are 2 sexes) and online safety bills to prevent freedom of speech. The truckers protest being described as terrorists, having their funds cut off(????) yet BLM is ok (along with 80m gone missing). And most recently, world governments and media condemning Chinese reaction to anti lockdown protestors - just the levels of hypocrisy are insane. So not much really. But, using US terms, the second amendment is there for when the first fails. Removing guns in Canada is a good strategy for a despot. I knew that would be longer than 2 sentences

Here we are

Hey Sir, can you do an episode on Pardo's Push? It's been covered a lot, but not near as in detail as most of your videos.

Way back in the mid 1970s there was a board wargame I used to play with friends called Foxbat V Phantom. (Yes, I was a nerd/geek even then.) My favourite plane for this game was the Dassault Mirage, I never lost. Even back then it was a bad idea to underestimate French planes. Grudging respect from a Brit.

In a dogfight among friends, anything can happen. If you're an enemy, you don't want to be in the sky with an F-22.

Grew up near a Mirage 2 and 3 base. Their primary role were meant as a strategic nuclear bomber while the official role was interception for a middle tier european power. Would have been a one way trip. A high level russian spy in the Swiss Army leaked this info and as a consequence I grew up in a russian designated prime nuclear target aera. Very impressive fighter-bombers. The Rafale is every bit as cool.

@yawningkitty457

Жыл бұрын

Grew up in the east of England, right next to the third longest runway in Europe, during the cold war. I know exactly what you mean about being a prime target.

@ommsterlitz1805

Жыл бұрын

Biggest shame of Switzerland air force right now is accepting the bribe money from Lockheed and choosing the mono engine F-35 in a heavily mountainous area made for stealth bombing instead of the Rafale perfect in an interceptor role and far better in all missions except maybe stealth because no the F-35 don't disappear from the sky and radars like they are making there marketing around it...

@808bigisland

Жыл бұрын

@@ommsterlitz1805 A luxury product solving a luxury problem. Blowing up tunnels is cheap and effective.

@808bigisland

Жыл бұрын

@@yawningkitty457 living in a place where Ufo battle each other, frequently, above US military bases and chasing US submarines We got bigger worries.

@dougerrohmer

Жыл бұрын

@@808bigisland Yeah, and the earth is flat. Not.

Some of the hardware near the nose sure looks like it could be optimized better for aerodynamics. Is that big thing an in flught refueling port? Plus those other two "warts" just under the front of the canopy sure look like they induce more drag than necessary.

@SETHalpine

Жыл бұрын

these warts make it possible to see a stealth plane without turning on its radar...and this...very far...

"Ahah! I am the greastest fighter plane to ever exist! I fear no man in these skies!" "Bonjour" _terrified but possibly aroused F-22 noises_

I see these planes regularly as they fly very low over my house on training exercises usually in pairs I live in Brittany France

I wished my home country Canada 🇨🇦 to buy and share productions of this wonder of the skies, but it seems it is not an option !

@terryboyer1342

Жыл бұрын

Yah, I don't understand them wanting to buy F-35s at all.

@informationcollectionpost3257

Жыл бұрын

Can't see the buying of all F35's of pretty much the same variety. Would think that Canada's 80 some odd number of fighters would buy 20 or 30 F35's and then another batch of planes that could integrate with it's network system as networking is were the F35 really excels. Perhaps a modified Canadian Grippen E, a modified Rafale, then some F15E's to act as missile trucks and ground pounders with some legion pods. (Its a multi-function air plane & a legion pod is what makes the plane a "stealth equalizer" which equals an Infrared search and track which triangulation to get the stealth planes targeting data)

@kolerick

Жыл бұрын

well, Dassault pulled out of the competition because there was no way they would be selected... as the American will never certify the Rafale to carry either the US made nukes or the 5 eyes "gadgets"... and Canada does need to be able to carry both

IRL the Raptors wouldnt get that close, the entire design philosophy of the Raptor is BVR tactics, if the F22 pilot got close enough to get within visual dogfight range (which the F22 is still excels at) he kinda missed the point, it would be like putting a sniper in a boxing ring

@ommsterlitz1805

Жыл бұрын

Same for the Rafale it's BVM range of the Meteor missile is 300 km+ AMRAAM is "only" 160km

@SETHalpine

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget that opto-camera make it possible to see a stealth plane without turning on its radar...and this...very far... Life is not so easy even for a F22 pilot...

Put the ad before or after. Middle is a slap in the face when I’m expecting to hear about an aircraft

As Rooster said, it's not the plane, it's the pilot.

okay but how many were flying against that 1 f35? my point. he was fatigued from attacking and taking out i believe 6 or 8 before he got “taken down”

@Struggle.Snuggles

Жыл бұрын

You meant F-22 Raptor. The F-35 wasn't in full production back then.

@noturdad5354

Жыл бұрын

@@Struggle.Snuggles yes, im sorry, excuse what i said, but yes, which at the time was the most stealthy and agile maneuvering aircraft of its time, don’t get me wrong tho, it had competition, just not so stealthy nor capable

I was just thinking about one of these videos.

Great video for a great plane,I would like to add that Greece signed a contract for purchasing 24 rafale with an option for more in the future so far 9 of them have been delivered

That is an awesome plane. They should use them more often 😪

I bet that pilot has not underestimated an opponent since.

@TheNefastor

Жыл бұрын

I bet that Navy pilot got a quarter billion dollar dressing-down by some very angry admirals 😀

@TXH1138

Жыл бұрын

@@TheNefastor at the very least he caught flak from his fellow pilots.

@aknighttrain

Жыл бұрын

The Navy doesn't have F-22s. Only the Air Force does. You're thinking of F-35s, a completely different aircraft.

@TXH1138

Жыл бұрын

@@aknighttrain yes, you are correct. my comment has been edited to correct my mistake.

The french were right to go it alone. They saved their aero industry. Being single minded they produced a fighter 10yrs faster than the 'Eurofighter' . The Typhoon while being very good will definitely have the same shelf life as not really that different on the technology profile.

Fighting F22 without stealth? That’s like fighting Tyson as long as he doesn’t punch. The french have the fastest sprinter on earth when Usain Bolt isn’t allowed to use his legs. The french would have won WW2 if the Germans hadn’t been allowed their guns.

Nice video, but there are quite a few mistakes. First, french air force always has been "pristine" and worthy. From early efforts to the Dewoitine at the beginning of 2nd world war, and through all the generations of Mirages, France has been quite proficient in the airborne warfare, and remained so for a long time. Still is now, in fact. Also, it is inaccurate to say that the country relied on european allies to build its planes, as in fact, France was very keen on being independant as much as possible. To the point that as of today, it's still the only european country to have its own nuclear program. In any case, thanks for highlighting the plane :)

It's not the plane it's the pilot that counts.

I liked their approach to stealth, but that is likely because I am always looking for "the most bang for the buck". I don't know all the particulars. I wonder if you could put a terrain following radar on a Rafale and use it to do deep strike.

@brunol-p_g8800

Жыл бұрын

It is already the case, deep strikes using terrain following radar has been one of the Rafale’s primary missions since it’s first version. France leads when it comes to deep strikes using terrain following radar which they have been j’ai g since the 1970’s on the Mirage F1

@georgepalmer5497

Жыл бұрын

I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up.

If you keep slipping these ads in i’m tuning out…i already have Adblock software installed for that very reason and you keep doing this!

It sounds very much like a French F/A 18. A truly excellent multi-role carrier capable fighter. The simulated shootdown of an F-22 in an ACM exercise is interesting but not note worthy. Its good to know the Rafale is so capable and the French are probably pleased they will never have to face the F-22 in real combat where its stealth capabilities will likely dictate who gets the first shot.

@kittytrail

Жыл бұрын

yeah, sure, like the pilots of those F-117A were sure to be totally _invisible_ over Serbia... 😹

@jimmyjohnjames6397

Жыл бұрын

@@kittytrail I always love this. Serbians got lucky and shot down ONE F-117 conveniently forgetting the dozens of others that did whatever they wanted whenever they wanted to do it...🙄

@kittytrail

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmyjohnjames6397 they didn't get "lucky" they used what they had to get it and, like always, you try to deny and deflect. much like the somalis, afghans and iraqis shot your helos, planes and high-end z0gb0ts in ambushes. or the Houthis shooting your drones like paper planes. you also destroyed thousands of decoys in Serbia while boasting of your "kills" on teevee like the 'tards you are. btw, tell me which wars you've won since 1945? 😽

“It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot”

I'm French and I know pretty well the Rafale. There are many mistakes in this video. - Our pilots are well enough trained not to pass out during a high-g manoeuver. So saying "and almost passing out due to the extreme gravity forces" is a little bit exaggerated (and the French aren't worse at this exercise than any other nation). - During the "French Effort" section, you don't talk at all of the previous Dassault fighter aircrafts built in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s. But the Ouragan, the Super-Mystère, the Mirage III, Mirage IV, Mirage F1 and the Mirage 2000 were (and are) also great aircrafts which performed extremely well on many conflicts and were sold to many different countries. And as the Rafale, they were build by our country only and showed to be next-generation fighters. So no, the Rafale isn't the first French exceptional fighter aircraft, that's forgetting our past. And NO, saying "the french air force relied on fellow european union nations to collaborate and develop new aircrafts together" is entierely wrong. Some aircrafts were build in collaboration with other countries, as the Transall or the Alphajet, but we kept building our fighters aircrafts on our own and they were (and are) among the best ones of the planet. - The main disagreement between France and Great-Britain was not only the size of the aircraft but mainly the fact that France wanted an aircraft capable of landing on carriers, which Great-Britain didn't. - When we built the Rafale, we already had a lot of prestige thanks to the previous Dassault fighter jets (mainly the Mirage III, the Mirage F1 and the Mirage 2000). - It is not 0% stealth but has some stealth capabilities, and yes, it isn't a fully stealth aircraft but for strategic reasons, not financial ones. The aircraft is meant to reach targets at very low altitudes and very high speed, allowing the aircraft not to be detected by ennemy radar until it flies just above it. Dassault also worked a lot on the countermeasure system which is currently the best in the world, allowing the aircraft to be extremely safe. This system is named Spectra. - The aircraft is not able to supercruise at Mach 1.8 but 1.4 (that's the theory, in reality it is barely supersonic without the afterburner). - You forgot about Greece among the users of the Rafale.

It shouldn't be that surprising. Stealth is to avoid radar, not win dog fights. Not to say s stealth fighter couldn't dog fight well, but the comparison in the title is a bit silly. And there's also the pilot, far more important than the jet. I reference the story of Chuck Yeager beating a younger pilot, and said pilot blaming it on his older jet. Mr. Yeager traded jets and still won.

I don't know if I'd get too embarrassed over this. It's just practice, the real thing is always gonna be different. Sounds to me like they're pretty good planes, but even so a whole bunch of them got shot down by f22s, and one guy caught one F22 sleeping. I can only imagine the razzing that guy got when they got back. Probably still gets it to this day lol.

@Pouncer9000

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes the bull gores the matador, and the Rafale wasn't designed to kill F-22's. F-22's shoot down _everything_, even Air Force F-16 and F-15 jocks get rather despondent when training against them.

@slikh

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. From my understanding, an f22's preferred strike range is dozens of miles away while staying undetected. If it allowed an enemy get that close, the f22 pilot was either sleeping or the enemy somehow got around detection. I get the feeling this was a manufactured old-school dogfight scenario but without more details I'm just guessing.

@youtubeaccount489

Жыл бұрын

@@slikh yeah definitely same with the f35 tbh

@mattadams7922

Жыл бұрын

The F22 can do some crazy mid air moves with its thrust vectoring, and absurdly large control services. That said the raphelle prolly spelled wrong is a masterpiece of a plane for what it was designed for. It has impressive thrust to weight, outrageous handling, is small and quite agile, and can corner with about anything in the air today. It can literally pull so many Gs the pilot will go out before the plane does and it's not restricted from doing it either. The pilot has to know better. 11G is an absurd amount of force. The F22 can indeed engage from further away and can also dogfight with the best of them their are a few F16 guys that will tell ya that even though the F22 is big it can corner with them. if you wanna talk funny though Thier are a few rumors out their saying that a couple of A10 pilots have achieved Air to Air kills on F16s and F22. The A10 may be slow but if you try to turn with it you are gonna insta lose. It's turn radius is so tight most pilots don't understand it can turn 360 faster then most of them can turn 180 and it's got a big scary chainsaw on its nose and can be equipped with sidewinders for self defense.

@shadowopsairman1583

Жыл бұрын

Over 13 years ago

Hold up. 17mph air speed? At that speed any jet is stalling and falling like a brick (outside of a really cool airshow stunt)

@LHGII

Жыл бұрын

Rite, I think he ment 170 mph lol

@Speedbird61

Жыл бұрын

Nope… they accomplished this during flight testings. Since then, they installed aerodynamic electronic limitations to protect the pilot and the structure against “bad” situations. During those tests Dassault even say that the Rafale had been able to fly backward… no joke! As a young adult, at that time, I was amazed of the capabilities of this new aircraft. I became an aeronautical engineer (now a pilot) and tested the fuel pod on the Rafale prototype (which was different than the “final” version as we know it now) for modal vibration testings and analysis. At that same time the US revealed they were planning to build a “stealth” fighter, either the YF23 or F22), which forced Dassault to reduce the radar signature of the original Rafale. They did the best they could based on the original Rafale project. They succeeded pretty well with what they started with. Now with SPECTRA, the Rafale is stealthy enough for nowadays combats. I think being the size of a sparrow as radar signature is good enough! The Rafale proved it enough when they were the first to penetrate Libya’s Air Defenses (S-300s) which were on high alert during Gaddafi’s regime (right before his fall). They went in and out without being detected. The Rafale accomplishments in different recent wars speak for itself when you learn about it. French military in general don’t like to brag about their accomplishments (unless it becomes obvious), because the most part of the French population don’t like being involved in war conflicts, for good or bad reasons (colonizers’ syndrome!? 🤔). Nonetheless, IMHO, beside not being an “interceptor” by itself (that’s why missiles exist), the Rafale is one of the best, if not the best (😉), twin-engine multi-role (being the only omnirole) fighter, beside the cheaper single-engine fighter Gripen (which basically replace, with some improvements, the Mirage 2000 disappearance). The F22 will stay the best and unaffordable “stealth” fighter concerning high altitude air supremacy… until it lasts. Even the US can barely afford it and already planning its retirement. War tactics change, and technology advancement will always prevailed.

As air to air missiles become so sophisticated he who finds first shoots first is the winner.