Ironically this is Tolkien's definition of evil: it can't create anything new, so it corrupts the good and the beautiful instead. EDIT: Or rather St. Augustine's. Thanks for reminding me, guys.

@jonahlstrom4753

3 жыл бұрын

Testify!

@FourOf92000

3 жыл бұрын

Granted, Tolkien didn't come up with it-I _think_ St. Augustine did?

@TM_AZ

3 жыл бұрын

@@FourOf92000I didn't know that , but it makes sense.

@utubebgay

3 жыл бұрын

@@FourOf92000 apparently Tolkien did it better lol

@SergioLeonardoCornejo

3 жыл бұрын

Because they are evil.

I remember people saying, “That guy who played Magneto is playing Gandalf”, and other people saying “Hey, that’s a good pick.”

@viscountrainbows6452

3 жыл бұрын

I'm of that party that's like "Ohey Ian McKellen. He's a good actor."

@viscountrainbows6452

3 жыл бұрын

@Mandalorian Patriot Idr if this was something I imagined but even George Takei I think may have made a statement like "uhh... Sulu was not gay just cos I am gay" Like how Neil Patrick Harris plays the straightest dudes onscreen but yanno how he do

@fernandod4046

3 жыл бұрын

@@viscountrainbows6452 oh god, neil plays the best straight dudes ever.

@jacotromp59581

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Better times

@jayone8891

3 жыл бұрын

The only controversy I remember hearing was that Christopher Lee auditioned for Gandalf but got Sauroman instead. Thats it. I was 15 when those movies came out and the internet was barley a chatroom on napster at that stage.

Woke crowd: "Tolkien never described the races in his books!" Also woke crowd: ""O r C s A r E f A n T a S y B l A c K p E o P l e !!"

@revocable1687

3 жыл бұрын

Fuck whoever started that guitarded shit, I hate that the woke crowd infiltrated Table top games

@GhostLink92

3 жыл бұрын

@@revocable1687 they move like locusts, devouring any fandom they find, leaving a wither husk in their wake. They'd fuck up the automotive enthusiast community, if given the chance.

@kiarawolfe4723

3 жыл бұрын

@@GhostLink92 tolkien already worked anothers inspiring words to what they do "evil cannot create, only corrupt things good and beautiful"

@iBloodxHunter

3 жыл бұрын

@@GhostLink92 they already try. Check out Regular Car Reviews and see past the dudebro BS.

@rubix4195

3 жыл бұрын

@@revocable1687 Love the fact that they tried to bring it to 40K and the fandom said STFU because woke arguments going into a grimdark universe where war is the only thing going for nearly everyone is like running into a hungry lion's den wearing a meat dress. (Still though, the fandom are ever watchful in case they come back..) I would have loved to see a "wokeist" try their arguments in Catachan (for those aren't in the know, it's a Death World in 40k: everything on that planet can and will kill a human - only the cream of the crop survive to 30, male or female, and those who survive are like Rambo on steroids literally because the survivors need to ready to use a knife since they were 8). Equity, race, sexuality...not really a big issue when the local wildlife is a cross between a scorpion, spider and can take on a tank. Also, the humans on Catachan's don't do woke or lectures - in fact, anyone who tries that end up with a "accident" like that Commissar...ooh nasty. XD

OneRing: "Tolkien was WOKE!" Also OneRing: "Tolkien was a racist!" Hey, I agree that people who are woke are racists, but let's not pretend JRRT is either of those things.

@RepublicanMartian

3 жыл бұрын

Its like Schrodinger's Racist

@Titusofthegiant

2 жыл бұрын

You’re only racist if you think about racism all the time.

When you're getting dissed in ELVISH, you can assume you've pissed off a SERIOUS Tolkien fan. 0_07

@bemotivated8443

3 жыл бұрын

If they are targeting lotr then nothing is sacred

@tomspiegel5322

3 жыл бұрын

@Mystic Music Nerd Same. I love Tolkien and Star Trek, but there _no way_ I'm gonna learn Elvish or Klingon.

@Muck006

3 жыл бұрын

@@bemotivated8443 They are REBRANDED COMMUNISTS ... and one of the parts of communism is the DESTRUCTION OF THE PAST, because communism is sooo bad as an ideology it can not compete with ANY other one, thus references to anything else must be erased from human knowledge. *_Keep people from their history and they are easily controlled._* - KARL MARX So please TAKE THIS SERIOUS ... and call them out as REBRANDED COMMUNISTS ... ALL OF THEM ... feminists, BLM, LGBTQ+ idiots ... all their activists are commies!

@irena4545

3 жыл бұрын

@Mystic Music Nerd He's using a part of Galadriel's song but swapping Valinor for Angband (Angamando in Quenya): Namárië! Nai hiruvalye Angamando. Nai elye hiruva. Namárie!" Farewell! Maybe thou shalt find Angamando. Maybe even thou shalt find it. Farewell!

@AnnaMarianne

3 жыл бұрын

@@irena4545 For those who haven't read the Silmarillion, Angband was the underground fortress of the original Dark Lord Morgoth, Middle-earth's Satan, and a place of terror and torture. The name translates to "iron prison", but has been translated by Tolkien as "hell of iron" as well. So essentially Just Some Guy wished them to hell in High Elvish.

If Tolkein were alive and publishing his books nowadays, the wokehood would be canceling him for not having any colored woman as a main character.

@Sammo212

3 жыл бұрын

They are already trying to cancel him and say his stuff is problematic. They pull it every 2-3 years.

@muboizin

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sammo212 Imagine how bad it is for newcome writers.

@Skitdora2010

3 жыл бұрын

He wrote intentionally to create myths for England. All of the other cultures going after Tolkien are in fact, culturally appropriating, by their own definition.

@jeffreytroublefield4265

3 жыл бұрын

I remember the day someone told me Gandolph was actually a gay actor. I remember my reaction well.....I thought deep and long and remembered that I needed to get milk on the way home. And ignored that fool.

@viscountrainbows6452

3 жыл бұрын

I am deeply upset that people can look at a beautiful, epic story and be like "yeah yeah we'll take the beats and all the cool artifacts and stuff but... is the main character an obese QPOC?"

"There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery."

@austingarcia6060

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps in the black speech.

"You don't get to change HIS work to suit YOUR politics" Beautifully said

Tolkien didn't write Sam and Frodo as homosexuals. He took his experience as brothers in war in WWI and how being with a brother in arms meant everything during the battles.

@guillaumeb5511

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, but men cannot have deep friendships, they're obviously gay! Also, why won't straight men show feelings towards their friends, must be that toxic masculinity!

@jailcatjones3250

3 жыл бұрын

Spartan warriors had battle husband's

@Nofixdahdress

3 жыл бұрын

Sam and Frodo were definitely gay. That's why Sam had 13 children, because he was in love with Frodo and not, ya know, his wife. /s

@haynesdevon0

3 жыл бұрын

@@jailcatjones3250 lol no. Homosexuality was a normal thing for the ancient Greeks sure. The Spartans however considered themselves invaders not Greek, and had a heavy cultural focus on procreation. While it's likely some Spartans had homosexual relationships, this was likely lower then average when compared to the rest of the Greek world. You might be thinking of the sacred band of thebes, a force that was often compared to elite Spartans.

@randomperson8571

3 жыл бұрын

I dont think anyone can seriously claim that Sam and Frodo were intended to be gay. Tolkien was living in a time when homosexuality was illegal in Britain and there is nothing to indicate he had a problem with that per se. He was strongly Catholic and at the time they considered homosexuality a sin. So, no, even though I like seeing gay romances (GOOD gay romances like Aristotle and Dante or the book version of Love Simon), I would never say that Tolkien *intended* to write Frodo and Sam as gay. That is simply silly and since he has passed we wouldnt know for sure anyway, which means we cant make any definite claims. There are just too many fujoshis who cant restrict their dirty thoughts to boys love stuff.

J.R.R. Tolkien was extremely Christian. He even converted C.S. Lewis to Christianity.

@Megatron_95

3 жыл бұрын

Never heard of that until now

@nooby165

3 жыл бұрын

@@Megatron_95 that's a joke right? I thought that was common knowledge

@voganimperium9975

3 жыл бұрын

@@nooby165 I had heard that Tolkien and Lewis had tried to convert each other with their novels

@andyz2861

3 жыл бұрын

@@nooby165 It’s not common knowledge. I only heard it maybe a decade ago, and I read LotR decades before.

@willythepeachfacelovebird

3 жыл бұрын

Common knowledge. Is there a point to the comment or or is it bait?

Ian McKellen is hands down one of the best aspects of both trilogies. He's not a great actor because of his sexuality. He's just a great actor. And the world will be lesser once he passes on.

"on a text that never describes color" They haven't read the books, have they?

@internetzenmaster8952

3 жыл бұрын

Fuck, they haven't even read the Hobbit or LOTR books if they said that.

@thatspookyfeeling

3 жыл бұрын

Really tons of shows I've seen I"ve thought whoever made them did not read the books. LOL. So yeah, indeed.

@fantasywind3923

3 жыл бұрын

Well let's look at the text shall we? ""(The Quendi) were a race high and beautiful, The People of the Great Journey, The People of the Stars. They were tall ,fair of skin , and grey-eyed , though their locks were dark , save in the Golden House of Finarfin; and their voices had more melodies than any mortal voice that is now heard." Lotr appendices Need more? ""They took off their masks now and again to cool them, as the day-heat grew, and Frodo saw that they were goodly men, pale-skinned, dark of hair, with grey eyes and faces sad and proud. They spoke together in soft voices, at first using the Common Speech... and then changing to another language of their own. " Lotr, Two Towers, Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit And mark that the Elves and Dunedain (meaning Men of the West, Numenoreans) were said by Tolkien to resemble each other: "[The Númenóreans] became thus in appearance, and even in powers of mind, hardly distinguishable from the Elves - but they remained mortal, even though rewarded by a triple, or more than a triple, span of years." (Letters, p. 154) And since the Second Age is very much focusing on the history of Elves and Numenoreans then those peoples are fairly established how they looked like, they ARE in other words WHITE, quasi-European like in appearance. The Numenoreans the inhabitants of the Atlantis-like civilization on an island in the middle of the Great Sea Belegaer (which is de facto Atlantic) were in origin mix of germanic/celtic/norse like tribes of ancient northern people of Edain of the First Age Beleriand who all looked like that: "And in those days the strength of Men was added to the power of the Noldor, and their hope was high; and Morgoth was straitly enclosed, for the people of Hador, being hardy to endure cold and long wandering, feared sot at times to go far into the north and there keep watch upon the movements of the Enemy. The Men of the Three Houses throve and multiplied, but greatest among them was the house of Hador Goldenhead, peer of Elven-lords. His people were of great strength and stature, ready in mind, bold and steadfast, quick to anger and to laughter, mighty among the Children of Ilúvatar in the youth of Mankind. Yellow-haired they were for the most part, and blue-eyed; but not so was Túrin, whose mother was Morwen of the house of Bëor. The Men of that house were dark or brown of hair, with grey eyes; and of all Men they were most like to the Noldor and most loved by them; for they were eager of mind, cunning-handed, swift in understanding, long in memory, and they were moved sooner to pity than to laughter. Like to them were the woodland folk of Haleth, but they were of lesser stature, and less eager for lore. They used few words, and did not love great concourse of men; and many among them delighted in solitude, wandering free in the greenwoods while the wonder of the lands of the Eldar was new upon them." But we need to scour all the texts, even those only set in the Second Age contain enough information about physical appearance of various peoples: "The news spread swiftly and Men in Eriador were filled with wonder. Although in the First Age they had dwelt in the East, rumours of the terrible war 'beyond the Western Moun­tains' [i.e. Ered Luin] had reached them; but their traditions pre­served no clear account of it, and they believed that all the Men who dwelt in the lands beyond had been destroyed or drowned in great tumults of fire and inrushing seas. But since it was still said among them that those Men had in years beyond memory been kinsmen of their own, they sent messages to Gil-galad asking leave to meet the shipmen 'who had returned from death in the deeps of the Sea.' Thus it came about that there was a meeting between them on the Tower Hills; and to that meeting with the Númenóreans came twelve Men only out of Eriador, Men of high heart and courage, for most of their people feared that the new­comers were perilous spirits of the Dead. But when they looked on the shipmen fear left them, though for a while they stood silent in awe; for mighty as they were themselves accounted among their kin, the shipmen resembled rather Elvish lords than mortal Men in bearing and apparel. Nonetheless they felt no doubt of their ancient kinship; and likewise the shipmen looked with glad sur­prise upon the Men of Middle-earth, for it had been believed in Númenor that the Men left behind were descended from the evil Men who in the last days of the war against Morgoth had been summoned by him out of the East. But now they looked upon faces free from the Shadow and Men who could have walked in Númenor and not been thought aliens save in their clothes and their arms. Then suddenly, after the silence, both the Númenóreans and the Men of Eriador spoke words of welcome and greet­ing in their own tongues, as if addressing friends and kinsmen after a long parting. At first they were disappointed, for neither side could understand the other; but when they mingled in friend­ship they found that they shared very many words still clearly recognisable, and others that could be understood with attention, and they were able to converse haltingly about simple matters." Elsewhere in this essay it is explained that these Men dwelt about Lake Evendim, in the North Downs and the Weather Hills, and in the lands between as far as the Brandywine, west of which they often wandered though they did not dwell there. They were friendly with the Elves, though they held them in awe; and they feared the Sea and would not look upon it. It appears that they were in origin Men of the same stock as the Peoples of Bëor and Hador who had not crossed the Blue Mountains into Beleriand during the First Age." ... "Aldarion, for so he is called in all tales, grew swiftly to a man of great stature, strong and vigorous in mind and body, golden-haired as his mother, ready to mirth and generous, but prouder than his father and ever more bent on his own will."/"Then her heart was shaken; for the blue eyes of Aldarion seemed to her now grey and cold, yet she perceived as it were a hunger in his gaze." ... "There Almarian the Queen observed her beauty, of a kind seldom seen in Númenor; for Beregar came of the House of Bëor by ancient descent, though not of the royal line of Elros, and Erendis was dark-haired and of slender grace, with the clear grey eyes of her kin."/"Riding one day in the forests of the Westlands he saw a woman, whose dark hair flowed in the wind, and about her was a green cloak clasped at the throat with a bright jewel; and he took her for one of the Eldar, who came at times to those parts of the Island. But she approached, and he knew her for Erendis, and saw that the jewel was the one that he had given her; then suddenly he knew in himself the love that he bore her, and he felt the emptiness of his days. Erendis seeing him turned pale and would ride off, but he was too quick, and he said: "Too well have I deserved that you should flee from me, who have fled so often and so far! But forgive me, and stay now." The Unfinished Tales, Mariner's Wife, Tale of Aldarion and Erendis

@syedraidarsalan4685

2 жыл бұрын

@@internetzenmaster8952 I wonder who runs the website.

@6estinyxarrives239

2 жыл бұрын

They clearly didn’t read any of Tolkien’s letters, where he stated on multiple occasions that his Middle Earth was meant to be an English mythology.

*"We wanna see the stories we read brought to life. We don't want your woke reimagining of it. We want the books made real."* - Just Some Guy

@jeffhreid

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Perfectly put!

@MercenaryJames

3 жыл бұрын

Need that on a plaquard for my wall.

@stunner9005

3 жыл бұрын

The stories are quite straightforward too and they would be fun to film.

@Grubnar

3 жыл бұрын

And that is why Peter Jackson's trilogy is the greatest trilogy in the history of film for doing just that! Yes, even greater than the original Star Wars trilogy! And I am a much bigger Star Wars nerd than Tolkien nerd, so I know what I am talking about, and no, it is not just a case of personal taste.

@kralexprofill4571

2 жыл бұрын

Gay*

If Tolkien or his son is not involved in it then it's not Canon. The Amazon series is just expensive fan fiction.

@benjaminfawkes385

3 жыл бұрын

Just like Watchmen.

@SergioLeonardoCornejo

3 жыл бұрын

Crappy fanfiction.

@joshuapowell6822

3 жыл бұрын

Fanfiction implies the people or person who made it actually like the original story and respect the creator. The show is better called mockery.

@Cyberplayer5

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed this series is for "Fans" of Tolkien as they wish it would be not as it is. People who read Tolkien don't want to have anything to do with this so called series.

@gabrieltejada1697

3 жыл бұрын

And not even the good kind of fan fiction.

What are they talking about? No one cared about Ian's sexuality, neither does anyone care now. The only thing that matters is how well an actor plays his role.

@jorencice

3 жыл бұрын

Right? I can't remember a single person from back then complaining about that.

@Mysikrysa

3 жыл бұрын

@@jorencice I also don´t remember the studio using his sexuality to virtue signal: "Look! We have a gay actor in the movie!" These were the normal times.

@thatspookyfeeling

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed how good an actor is should be all that matters, but you have noticed all the woke shows have rubbish acting, right? LOL.+ Whipped cream vodka rocks. My new fave.

@doublep1980

3 жыл бұрын

I remember when the first news about the cast for the Trilogy came out back in the day (yeah, I'm old) and people were saying: ''Oh, they cast that acclaimed british Shakespear actor as Gandalf, this is gonna be a serious production, not some cheapo B-movie....'' Literally *NOBODY* said anything about Sir Ian McKellan being ghey, despite the fact that he had came out over a decade before. Also, he continued to have a career despite his coming out in the 80's and was getting awards and what not before he became even more popular with the X-Men movies & LotR. Pretty much *EVERYBODY* praises his portrayal of Gandalf,WTF are these knobheads all about?!

@2centsonpt

3 жыл бұрын

THEY fixate on race, sexuality, and gender, therefore (by proxy) so does everyone else... ya know, like all their friends. if that is true, then all their enemies do as well. (woke logic in a nutshell)

Its disgusting how they try to own things, like; "thats our thing, its always been our thing, all you people saying otherwise should just leave". These are the exact people that would say gatekeeping is bad when first going into a fanbase.

@RoseBaggins

3 жыл бұрын

Well of course, because they want to get in so they can gatekeep as much as they want and push us real fans out.

@2centsonpt

3 жыл бұрын

it was bad only because they weren't the gatekeepers...

Yeah I don't remember ANYONE say ANYTHING bad about Ian McKellan. They literally attempted to forge fake outrage.

@RoseBaggins

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking. I never heard anything against him for playing Gandalf because of his sexual orientation. The most I've heard in terms of complaints was what had to be left out and some minor things that were changed for the movie, nothing against the actors.

@TheMeta141

3 жыл бұрын

only problem i had with Ian being Gandalf was that he had his watch on during the final battle for Middle Earth like what? you got a lunch you need to go to Gandalf? is the fate of Middle Earth coming at a bad time for you? (this is a joke)

@maddhatter1986

3 жыл бұрын

Ian Mckellan was my favorite casting job of the movies. I'm pretty disappointed in the movies, but Ian Mckellan as Gandalf was not a disappointment.

@cubablue602

3 жыл бұрын

It’s nonsense. Bullshit. Tolkien fans love the guy and absolutely love his portrayal of Gandalf.

@artbunker

3 жыл бұрын

These are the same folks who said Empire Strikes Back was met with negative reactions, Never trust the Woke.

"I will draw your Wokeness as poison is drawn from a wound."

@xul5042

3 жыл бұрын

“Go back to the shadows!”

@tomspiegel5322

3 жыл бұрын

Bernard Hill's first appearance as Theoden in the movie is actually a good visualization of how perceptive the "woke" are, and the charming Mr. Wormtongue of how selfish and insidious they are.

@Muck006

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly it doesnt work that way ... because we are in a fight against ideologies based upon EMOTIONAL CLAIMS ... and they are controlling the institutions of power in society!

Tolkien is spinning in his grave so fast that if you hook up a generator on him you could power a small town.

Amazon: "When is Chris gonna croak? He's keeping us from making non-misogystic lotr! If he doesn't die before release --" *Tolkien passes away* Amazon: "Thank GOD! Quick, there's still time! Fire the writing team! Drop everyone and everything that Tolkien wanted!"

@JosephArata

2 жыл бұрын

I mean that's highly likely what happened between closed doors in the meeting room where they were brainstorming how much inclucivity they could add to their lazy half ass story narrative.

The spirit of Sauron really endured...

@AdventuringMind

3 жыл бұрын

and Morgoth.

@aderemiporsche

3 жыл бұрын

It appears they won in the end.

@stunner9005

3 жыл бұрын

He still technically does after the ring’s destruction. He’s nothing but a whisper in the dark though.

...Sir Ian got shit on for his portrayal of Gandalf? Wtf? This is the first time I hearing about this.

@RoseBaggins

3 жыл бұрын

Same!

@VidkunQL

3 жыл бұрын

I remember him mentioning it in an interview. Something like "When we were shooting in New Zealand, some people were muttering 'you can't have _Gandalf the Gay!'_ Well, it turns out you can." [grins] This was in the middle of a long and wide-ranging conversation that spent some time on LoTR, but more on "Mr. Holmes" (which I consider a masterpiece).

@AKUJIVALDO

3 жыл бұрын

First time I hear he was gay...

As a lifelong fan of Tolkien and his work, i say, THANK YOU FOR THIS!

"'Respect the lore' is becoming coded language for racist perspectives on a text that never describes color." How can you run a site based on the man's work and think he doesn't describe the color of his characters? He does it ALL THE TIME. Just embarrassing. And that's without mentioning the moronic "respecting the lore is coded language for racism" part. What a complete and utter maroon.

@JosephArata

2 жыл бұрын

You don't have to be intelligent to be an insane cultist. The SJW message is a cult.

@OldDannyboy12

Жыл бұрын

Never mind the fact that if viewers weren't familiar with the lore, the writers would have lost everyone. Nobody would even remotely know wth was going on. At least fns can make sense of some of it.

TheOneRing is about as credible as Jussie Smollett.

@Megatron_95

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh

@jkdbuck7670

3 жыл бұрын

"This is Tolkien country!"

@Izbiski_

3 жыл бұрын

That’s, and I can’t believe I’m able to say this, an insult to Jussie Smollett.

@TRYCLOPS1

3 жыл бұрын

Haha I was just reading on that piece of trash last night wondering what tf ever happened to that lying f***t lol

@N.i.E.M.O

3 жыл бұрын

Remember though, according to the Cult of Woke, when Jussie Smolett was proven to be a liar, their respect for him grew even more. After all, he lied for a 'good deed'.

“The treacherous are ever distrustful.” - Gandalf. When will the woke-wraiths realize that you can’t bring someone over to your side by insulting them?

@geoffharmer1366

3 жыл бұрын

Probably never.

@klassytome

3 жыл бұрын

The ultimate virtue for the Woke-wraiths is their display of righteous rage. Hence, the Woke-wraith is always searching for a source of rage to feed upon. Your mistake was thinking a Woke-wraith wants you to join them. Instead they are looking for anything of beauty and warmth, so they can destroy anything living in defiance of their shadow-realm.

@shaulkramer5293

3 жыл бұрын

@@klassytome well said

@PanzerShrek94

3 жыл бұрын

it's the opposite.the more they try to more people will be against them. in the beginning i had no problem with any LGBT people.but these days i really starting to hate them.keep doing your sh!t and more will hate you.same was with BLM.they had big support last year but since then that support fell like a dead bird.

@stanleyclark923

3 жыл бұрын

@@klassytome Is your name a reference to the moon orbiting MicroTech in Star Citizen?

Is Sir Ian McClellan a puff? I couldn't care less. Thats his business, which he keeps to himself. So respect that. He's a good actor and that's what I watch tv for.

Last year: tolkein is racist This year: tolkein was the most woke writer of them all

I'd love to know how "orcs are racist stereotypes standing in for blacks" yet the author "was woke and never wrote about color". Haven't scratched my head over an oxymoron like that since "tolerant left"

@gusty9053

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they were tripping over themselves calling Tolkien -ist this and -ist that and all of a sudden he is "woke". I guess this depends on the stage of production the show is in: first they had to justify somehow changing everything (the source material being problematic) and now that it's mostly done (oh the fans are just toxic the source material was always woke). We have seen this BS tactic with star wars and star trek already.

Star Wars was once a healthy fandom , Star Trek was once a healthy fandom but as soon as Badrobot is involved the attacks and the labeling starts.

@Not-Ap

3 жыл бұрын

And those franchises are in complete shambles.

Ian McKellin one of the most popular fan favourite actors in those movies. Fans absolutely love his job done

_"Identity politics will always be a weapon to defend the elite."_

@TallisKeeton

3 жыл бұрын

by dividing the plebs :)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Tolkien stood against everything the crazies fight for. Especially religious things. My God these people should be ashamed, using the name of a dead man to promote themselves.

@Zhtrik

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ashkihyena At least we had a Christopher Tolkien as a good custodian for a long chunk of time. May Christopher Rest In Peace. As may the Great JRR Tolkien of course. As a Fan of Tolkien, and one of his idols Lord Dunsany. I pray the Woke Types never discover The Gods of Pegana. Sometimes it’s best if some authors remain niche despite their profound influence and great storytelling.

@andresanguianozuniga6798

3 жыл бұрын

Totally... They only show how mediocre, stupid and pathetic they are.

@marshallsumner4239

3 жыл бұрын

They already did it with Stan Lee

@Sircool1

3 жыл бұрын

i'm sorry, isn't the LOTR itself an allegory for the story of christ as well as a combo of an attempt of uniting all the UK's cultures into one instead of being separated, as that was the bet between Tolkien and the writer of the Chronicles of Narnia books? Gandalf resurrection and such imply that.

@UnwantedGhost1

3 жыл бұрын

I'm ashame that they're considered "people". They're acting like the exact opposite of one.

Tolkien explicitly opposed Marxism, socialism, and authoritarianism. He literally called Stalin "that bloodthirsty old murderer" Though he did also repudiate the claim that The Lord of the Rings was written as an anti-communist parable He literally said "My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy or to 'unconstitutional' Monarchy" He was a proto-libertarian even if he wouldn't have personally used that label. He was an individualist, and for that he would never be a wokeist

@marko-gj1uj

3 жыл бұрын

@@somercet1 Sounds awesome

Somewhere in the Timeless Void Melkor is laughing right now to see the divisive seeds of poison being planted.

I’m sure we are about to find out Tolkien’s original vision had black hobbits and a black Gandalf, of course Aragon is a womxn and in a lesbian relationship with Arwen. Which is why her dad has a problem with it.

Ian Mckellen is a great actor. No normal person cares about his sexuality. His work speaks for itself.

@sakulaeyr9819

3 жыл бұрын

When he was announced for the cast me and my college friends were all just hyped that "Sir Patrick Stewart's best friend is in LoTR?!" and that was that. lol

@johndurham6172

3 жыл бұрын

They make things up and don't think anyone will fact check them.

@Biostasis5x7

3 жыл бұрын

I was in High School at the time, and everyone I knew was happy with the pick because Ian Mckellen had just kicked ass as magneto. He had that old, wise, stern thing going on and it worked. None of us(all straight dudes) gave a damn that Ian Mckellen was gay.

@clayzingo1653

3 жыл бұрын

I have also never heard anyone say something negative about him.

@DemonicRemption

3 жыл бұрын

@@sakulaeyr9819 Wait Sir Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellan are friends in Real Life? I thought that was just roles in the X-men movies. Dang, no wonder they fit the roles of Charles Xavier and Magneto like a pair of gloves. O_O

I love how all big channels (G+G, Nerdrotic, TheQuartering) destroying this "fan site"😂

@andresanguianozuniga6798

3 жыл бұрын

Shows only how stupid that ppl are....

@UnwantedGhost1

3 жыл бұрын

Same. Actual fans, rise up! ✊😠

@jeffreytroublefield4265

3 жыл бұрын

I was, hey those are all the channels I watch 😂

@harbl99

3 жыл бұрын

"Oh, One Ring net, you tumblr girl incursion beachhead. You gonna get gatekept." -- actual Tolkien fans

@Zedul

3 жыл бұрын

@@harbl99 This is not one ring net... which was the gold standard of fan sites in fandom for years. Trust me, this is not anything like they would ever have said. 20 years on that site I never saw this tone. I think it has been bought out and probably re-staffed by Amazon.

So to sum up: if someone comes along and messes with a franchise you love, raising concerns about it makes you a bigot. Fine. Remind me again who put these gatekeepers in charge? I seem to have forgotten.

@stormisuedonym4599

3 жыл бұрын

We did, when we failed to gatekeep geek culture and let them invade unquestioned and unchallenged. We invited these assholes in, because we made the mistake of wanting to share our hobbies and interests with everyone.

*_“But he that sows lies in the end shall not lack of a harvest, and soon he may rest from toil indeed, while others reap and sow in his stead.”_* It's so sad that everything beautiful about Sir Tolkien's works have been distorted and used as a staging area for force-fed propaganda...It's like the rings of power all over again...but instead of the mortal men doomed to die, it's the franchise that is going to be turned into a soulless manifestation of its former self forced to serve Melkor...Sauron...Amazon... *_“The Light failed; but the Darkness that followed was more than loss of light.”_*

@BartAllen

3 жыл бұрын

*Force-fed propaganda? How so? *

The Amazon series will be to Lord of the Rings what Orcs are to Elves. A twisted mockery. "Evil cannot create, only corrupt."

"The horn of Helm Hammerhand shall sound in the deep, one last time!!"

@NicholasAdeptus

3 жыл бұрын

I read this in FH Elise’s voice…

@ArckAngel75

3 жыл бұрын

This is our last stand men. It has been an honor

Bruh, I saw the tweets where both TheOneRing, and someone else dog piling on JSG about whether or not he was actually Black. I'm over here like "Okay. Y'all asked for it." Dear God, Christopher and John Ronald are somersalting in their graves. Doing a full balance beam routine.

This leads from their wanting to take Harry Potter away from Rowling and add in in their own woke elements. She started it for sure but then they just want to take and destroy because they cannot create themselves. The notion that Tolkien works need fixing is a vulgar concept. Especially seeing this from a writers perspective.

Morgoth and sauron would totally be woke. Evil recognizes evil.

@sidecharacter7165

3 жыл бұрын

That is how Sauron conquered Mordor. Through deception and infiltration.

@matticusmachinist

3 жыл бұрын

And the eye that never closes...

@stunner9005

3 жыл бұрын

They have the same goal as Sauron, remake the world in their own image.

@BrotherCarver

3 жыл бұрын

These people believe that Morgoth made black people when he made the Orcs.

@filipvadas7602

3 жыл бұрын

Morgoth and Sauron woukd use it to brainwash people into accepting them All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing

Referring to these people as "fools of Tooks" is an insult to the Tooks. The Tooks, ostensibly, contribute to society. At a minimum, their foolishness is a mistake, not intentional malice.

@sakulaeyr9819

3 жыл бұрын

AND served as an example to their community, lol.

@Case2_0

3 жыл бұрын

YOU JUST KILLED THEM DUDE

The BIG take-away: "You don't get to change his work to suit your own politics." AMEN!

So desperate are they to signal their virtue they have to invent "toxic fans".

To be blunt, Tolkien would hate the woke culture entirely. Even if it lined up with his views, he absolutely HATED making direct comparisons in the LotR. That was one of the biggest things he and Lewis would often argue about. Lewis was quite literal in his direct comparisons in the chronicles of Narnia. Tolkien would never write like that. If there was any then it would be buried deep and not obvious. He would never stoop to such stupidity as to write "oh here we have a black rep, and this person is a gay rep, oh and this one is...". Every character he created was created for a purpose within the story itself. There was no "oh this character is this to appeal to this particular group of irl people". But hey, the woke mob can't create anything on their own, all they know how to do is infect already great things.

@SniperDizzyJohny

3 жыл бұрын

99% of our ancestors would be against the current woke culture, and not let the brave soldiers invading normandy on day d know what is going to happen to their grand kidz. Life is a divine comedy, only capable with God existance

You know you've f'd up when JSG starts shouting at you in elvish.

You're one of my favorite youtubers. I'm getting older, and grew up with things like Lord of the Rings, as well as many things you've covered. I'm a writer and an artist, and seeing stuff like this makes me so frustrated and annoyed. My business rides on Social Media so I'm unable to say anything on the front for fear of losing the job of my dreams. So hearing this from you, and so much more intelligent and well put than I could do puts me a bit more at ease. Thank you JSG, and I wish you the best in all you do.

Your quotes from the actual lore is the best! I smile knowing the way you transformed into dark Galadriel would go right over their heads.

The ever question I always get for these people are "how much of a fan are you really if your first inclin are to change everything?"

Wait ... I was 16 when the lord of the rings came to the cinema.. Everybody who loved the film thought Ian mckelllen was perfect as gandalf. 20 years later apparently this didn't happen?

XD funny fact... I do remember someone mentioning “Gandalf“ and “gay“ in one sentence... It was Ian Mckellen himself during the zoom meeting with the other actors a couple of months ago xD “I am Gandalf the gay“ As if anyone gives a shit about his sexuality... he is an awesome actor and great guy. That's all we needed for Gandalf :)

*"Didn't describe what they looked like... Nigga please!"* That should be on a T shirt

I'm a gay dude and i might have paid more attention to "omg the homophobic comments" than others... and NEVER, and I repeat, N E V E R have I heard Sir Ian McKellen being trashed for being gay... or being trashed for ANY damn reason. Dude is an absolute legend and beloved by everyone. Yes, sure, idiots and edgy teens exist... but FFS...

@OrcBro

3 жыл бұрын

@@solisprime2669 I'd leave Patrick Stewart out of cloning... he be woke AF and says majorly dumb things. He IS an amazing actor tho... just very very dumb...

@flamestoyershadowkill6400

3 жыл бұрын

@@OrcBro I would clone him but slightly modified to be much smarter

@stunner9005

3 жыл бұрын

@@OrcBro the Borg ruined him

@ElderSnake90

3 жыл бұрын

The man is so amazing and such a presence that even homophobes would struggle to dislike him, you would think, and i too dont recall anyone having an issue with him as Gandalf. Definitely a strange hill for TOR.net to choose to die on.

@Steven9567

3 жыл бұрын

@@ElderSnake90 why aren't we allowed to see it as a negative trait

“He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.” J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

@nathanjora7627

3 жыл бұрын

Hhmm... That’s not a good quote :| Ever heard of retro-engineering ? Ironically, I get the point but I don’t think it’s really well said ^^ (ironic because of Tolkien’s profession)

@AnnaMarianne

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanjora7627 True. But, while Gandalf is directly talking here about white light being seprated into the different colours that it is made of, in the subtext it talks about tearing apart a culture through the cynical eye of deconstruction. It's about the dismantling of the western culture - which began in its earnest in the 19th century if not even earlier - through the critical theory. Once a culture no longer believes in its own ideas but turns to take them apart "to find out what they're made of", those ideas, and the culture, are good for nothing. You either genuinely believe in things like truth, objectivity, honesty, loyalty and justice, or you don't. Turning inwards to deconstruct a concept like truth to figure out how it's a made up idea used to protect the power of the patriarchy leaves you in folly. Tolkien often talked about this - the importance of actually genuinely believing in things, especially when it comes to the stories and narratives a society tells to keep itself going. In that sense of course, his stories are entirely made up as far as the actual plot goes and cannot and shouldn't be believed literally - but the moral truth within them is meant to be *real* . There's no room for cynicism there. The virtues of the characters are true, not something they foolishly imagine to be true, or pretend to be true.

@nathanjora7627

3 жыл бұрын

@@AnnaMarianne « in the subtext it talks about tearing apart a culture » As I’ve said, I understood what was the point he was likely making, or what kind of point he was making at least, I just found it funny that it’s not really well said at all, because of how often it’s a necessity to break down stuff in order to understand it, which, ironically twice over (because the first time around I didn’t even realize that), he should know as a linguist, since that would’ve been part of his job ^^

@AnnaMarianne

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanjora7627 I know you know. I just abused the opportunity to latch onto the subject, as it's one if my favourites. Apologies!

@Ilovegirlotsandlots

3 жыл бұрын

@@AnnaMarianne Your analysis has left me speechless. I don’t think I could’ve explained the concept as beautifully as you have.

Wait, weren’t they calling Tolkien racist just last year over Orcs?

And I am now subscribed to you my friend, we must stand against the growing darkness that threatens to destroy our beloved Middle-Earth.

I love how much you know about Tolkein, and that The One Ring somehow thinks they're more of an authority than you.

Me: i wish this has never happened. Gandalf: so do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide.

@RoseBaggins

3 жыл бұрын

"All we have to decide is what to do with the time given us." And I want to write a story set in Middle Earth that would make Tolkien proud.

The fact that they can say Tolkien was woke with a straight face gets me. The entire Church of Woke is founded around either Marxist or Communist ideas. Tolkien was there when that shit got started and given what we know about the guy, I'm willing to assume he would not just want nothing to do with Wokeism, but he would condemn it wholly. They like to talk about coded language, which is ironic when a lot of their language is coded itself and is actually about having control. Which always is, you know, a whole Curb Your Enthusiasm meme almost any time one of them opens their mouths.

It's so low, trying to steal and corrupt the life work of a man who's dead and can't defend it.

Six movie adaptations were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality entertainment But they were all of them decieved, for another adaptation was made. In the trashfire of Amazon, the dark lords forged in secret a woke series, to control all others. Into it they poured their budget, their virtue signaling, and their will to ruin everyone's fun

@Vaderian88

2 жыл бұрын

These words are just perfect... You should type this on the Amazon's teaser trailer...iif you haven't already.

@gollumpollum7227

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vaderian88 Good Idea! I'll go do that now

JSG: ‘Put down the phone, and read the book!’ That’s the best advice!

If that's the case, then "equity" is coded language for entitlement.

I cannot imagine being an author of a successful fantasy world. When you die they'll colonize your intellectual property and make you a villain while profiting from burning it all down. They'll dismiss your fans as bigots and haters and claim they're the real fandom.

I'd love to see you team up with Gary on a collab show to battle this Amazon LOTR nightmare on a weekly basis.

@larrylarry1

3 жыл бұрын

Just Some Guy has been on live streams with Gary on Friday Night Tights.

I remember seeing them in the theater when they came out. The biggest controversy, heck the only controversy I remember was the outrage that they left out Tom Bombadil.

@ditto7047

3 жыл бұрын

They fucking WHAT?!

@Rezzanine

3 жыл бұрын

Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!

When just some guy speaks any of the languages from Middle Earth, you know you've done gone fucked up.

Your avatar's transformation into a wokandian terrified me o_O Thanks I'll probably be up all night thinking about it.

Not gonna lie, I didn't even know Sir Ian was gay...guess that goes to show how little it mattered. All I ever heard was how great his portrayal of the character was...strange...it's almost like this woke bullshit didn't dictate life 20 years ago...fuck that makes me feel really old

@rubix4195

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, don't feel old - I didn't realise Ian Charleson (the guy who played Eric Liddell - the Scottish runner - in Chariots of Fire) was gay either but, like you said, I didn't give one because he was a great actor. Top Trivia note: (I only found today) Sir Ian McKellan said that Charleson played Hamlet so well that it was as if though he rehearsed it the whole of his life. That's how good an actor Ian Charleson was.

@christophermonteith2774

3 жыл бұрын

same here

@sirg-had8821

3 жыл бұрын

Same. He was incredible in the role.

@skoatros

2 жыл бұрын

same here, learned of his sexuality about 10 years after movie release. changed nothing. lots of hollywood ppl are gay but we only care about their ability to portray a role, not their private life.

“Woke reimagining”, in other words, is “woke-washing”.

@warfightersanonymous7760

3 жыл бұрын

Pin that, spread it, make it popular.

@LookingGlass69

3 жыл бұрын

Woke washing, I'm going to start using that

@valipunctro

3 жыл бұрын

In other,other words...shit.

@carltonharris4474

3 жыл бұрын

"Woke-washing." Outstanding. I am SO stealing that.

@2centsonpt

3 жыл бұрын

woke-washing, this needs to be a thing now. almost all of the "reimagined" tales of old ip's have a dash if not drowning in this tripe.

"... is the same trash that said Ian McKellen was the worst affront to ...." That's nothing less than a lie. pure and simple. I was deep into the Tolkien fandom at the time the movies were released. I have been a Tolkien fan for probably longer than the author of that post has been alive. I had even strong-armed the direction of my high-school at the time to provide me with a local and furnitures to create a Tolkien research club, which several of my teachers joined (and that club might still be alive to this day, more than 20 years later). NO ONE in the fandom, or outside of it as far as I'm aware, had any issue with the casting of Sir McKellen (it's SIR for you, whelp) as Gandalf. NOT.A.SINGLE.PERSON.

This man spittin' fire like a Balrog with heart burn.

TORN: "...coded language...!" JSG: "...be silent, and keep your forked tongue behind your teeth."

“ Respect the lore is becoming coded language for racist perspectives on a text that never describes color” Childish!

@mnirwin5112

3 жыл бұрын

"Coded language" ... basically, people who are looking for something to be pissed about and dammit, they WILL find it. Even if they have to "find" things that aren't actually there.

@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307

3 жыл бұрын

These crazies are like those bible thumping republicans who thought that heavy metal and D&D is a gateway to hell! XDDDD

@stanleyclark923

3 жыл бұрын

@@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307 You're a child of the 80s I see...

@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307

3 жыл бұрын

Nope! 90s! That shit has been well known even into the 2000s. Politics is like wrestling, we have are good guys and bad guys and then all of a sudden those good guys go bad and the bad guys turn good. The pendulum swings and right now it’s the Right that’s being reasonable.

How in hell did this nigga made sindarin sound GANGSTA!? oh right... nevermind :-)

Lol I never even realized he's gay. I care about that in the sense that I hope he doesn't get too much grief from immature idiots but not in a way to solely identify him based on his sexuality. He's fantastic as magneto and Gandalf. I really can't see anyone else do as good of a job in those rolls. I'll continue loving those characters for his acting. 👌

I don't recall any negative talk about me by fans in the 2000s

Jeez, I've never seen a black elf, but this one sounds pissed and authentic, compared to whatever's comming from Amazon's trash bin.

@iBloodxHunter

3 жыл бұрын

T'Poc, Vulcan's are just space elves.

@BartAllen

3 жыл бұрын

*Well the only non-Marachian/Hador (lack of fair skin) of the children of Iluvatar who awoke in Rhun are the Men who fled Morgoth by going deep in Rhun or to Harad ~*

@BartAllen

3 жыл бұрын

@PODCAST - SørenCast Z *What? lol ~*

@fantasywind3923

3 жыл бұрын

Funnily enough the fairly recent Witcher adaptation by netflix has black elf evne though Witcher written by Sapkowski is very Tolkien-esque when it comes to elder races elves,dwarves etc. in the witcher elves known also as Aen Seidhe are very celtic, and of course what the netflix adaptation did? Why add a black actor playing an elf orphan boy Dara (which was never in source material mind you), which is doubly hilarious considering that there were other elves played by white men (including a character known as Filavandrel from an old elven noble family, he was played by white actor, but this creates hilarious implication, does this elf-boy (named unimaginatively I might add) fit? Of course not is there only for those diversity checkmarks. I expect Amazon's lotr tv show may reach the same level.

@danielmahoney1546

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, JSG, what is your Elven name? Same initials? Translation?

That's the same tactics they've used with the star Wars fandom.

I've never heard anybody complain about Ian being gay. I've only heard people praise his performance. The problem with a lot of these woke idea logs is they love to create strawman so then they can fixate their anger towards them and make them believe that they're real people.

No one hates Ian Mckellen for being a gay man in Lotr, ever. imo he is the best Gandalf we got in this century and probably the next.

I remember him coming off X-Men as Magneto and a stellar performance in the film Apt Pupil. Literally, everyone I ever spoke to about it was through the roof he was cast as Gandalf. Had no idea he was even gay until YEARS later because NO ONE TALKED ABOUT IT OR CARED!!!

First time I heard anything about Ian McKellan being "the worst affront to Tolkien's legacy ever" was a couple of days ago from TheOneRing.net.

Sir Ian McKellen came out publicly in 1988. Sometime around 2015, my brother and I were watching "X-Men: Days of Future Past". My brother: "Hey, you know what I read the other day? Magneto's gay." Me: "Really? Huh." Me, a minute later: "Wait, the character or the actor?" My brother: "The actor." Me: "Huh." Both: *continue watching the movie*

I have *never* heard anyone complaining about the casting of Sir Ian McKellen as Gandalf because of his sexual orientation. Hell, I've *never* heard anyone complaining about his casting as Gandalf, *period.* The only time I ever really heard anything about any possible homosexuality brought up was in relation to Frodo and Sam, and Legolas and Gimli, and very rarely was that mentioned in any way that this DotNet group would objectionable, I'd imagine, since it was teenage girls shipping because two guys aren't allowed to have deep, personal friendships anymore without someone else thinking at least one of them is taking it up the butt. The worst things I ever heard about the casting was Wood as Frodo, because he never quite captured the book version's actual toughness and bravery.

@railmacher1303

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't even know of his sexual orientation until now. That had nothing to do with his excellent performance as Gandalf and he's more than earned our respect since the first film.

@DeltaSK2112

3 жыл бұрын

I just found out he was gay

@filipvadas7602

3 жыл бұрын

Literally the only bad thing anyone ever said about his casting as Gandalf, were the people who were initially disappointed that Christopher Lee didn't get the role. Only to be blown away by his performance as Saruman

@Troublethecat

3 жыл бұрын

You know not all shippers ship because they "think two guys can't be friends." Some of us, actually a lot of us, see two guys have a close friendship, acknowledge that it is, indeed a close friendship, and then decide we want to see what it would look like as a romance instead. Just because there's an increasingly loud minority of woke idiots who actually fit the stereotype of thinking two guys even so much as looking at each other must mean they're gay in a miss guided search for "Representation" have been screeching about this or that pair of male friends being "canon gay" on twitter doesn't mean that's what shipping is always like. Also some of us are only here because we think they or their actors look hot together.

@BrightWulph

3 жыл бұрын

@@Troublethecat Same can be said about two women who have a close friendship because it somehow translates in the topsy-turvey woke world to "they're clearly banging" because after all, if a woman doesn't express interest in the "D" then it "clearly" means she wants the "V". -_- I have to wonder if these people make the same assumptions with real life people as well as characters in a tv show or movie.

Coded language literally just means: People aren't saying the hateful things we want them to say so they can be described as evil, therefor we say it means this other thing.

@JosephArata

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, so in other words, insane double speech.

Goddamn your writing is smart and funny. Great job and great video as always. Laughing my ass off at how badly you refuted the arguments.

I don't care about mckellan's private life, I don't follow the lives of actors at all, I only care about their portrayal of characters on screen.

At some point they are gonna say ian was attacked cause magneto wasnt gay Even though he was probably the bases for modern super villans that are complex

@LostOneOmega

3 жыл бұрын

Marvel's Imperfects was practically anchored by his portrayal of Magneto. The man codified the character in live action

They deleted that tweet trying to pin you as a raciciccicicist btw. Based JSG always got to waste his damn time teaching these KIDS. You'd think they would have learned their place. But some brats never do! Well thought out, and spoke as always JSG! The fandom thanks you for your efforts in preserving Tolkien's great legacy!

@RoseBaggins

3 жыл бұрын

Hard agree!

I didn't even know that Ian was Gay till the Return of the King and that's because nobody cared about peoples sexuality just 20 years ago...now aperantly it's the only thing that matters.

From “Neighbor please” at 8:20 to the end of the video was the coldest yet eloquent diss I’ve ever witnessed. Hands down.

I love all the quotes. They're thrown in really subtly

@andyz2861

3 жыл бұрын

This is what it looks like when someone who truly knows the lore goes up in an argument against someone who has to demand that people be banned. When you have to call for your opponent to be silenced, it’s because you’ve already lost and are hoping nobody else has noticed yet.

The best part of JSG Tolkien rants is the perfectly pronounced elvish.

@RoseBaggins

3 жыл бұрын

Oh definitely enjoying that. OneRing, make him mad again so we can hear it!! 😜😂😂

that's my fav line from the movies " fool of a took , we should have thrown you in after it an save ourselves from your stupidity" or something like that lol

JSG I really love your rants. They feel authentic and real and your very well versed in the topics you cover. Keep on keeping on boss!