I think the best part about when she says "beast boy is black" is not only the fact that cyborg is literally black, but before beastboy became beastboy, he was a ginger haired farm boy lol

@masked.fool.

2 жыл бұрын

I KNEW HE WAS GINGER just the *vibes*

@lloydpatam4189

Жыл бұрын

Another one for the list

@sanaaamir3462

6 ай бұрын

They seem to always use a ginger to o black

@vonnie0_0

5 ай бұрын

@sanaaamir3462 They hate gingers because they have no souls (joke)

@sunny.8774

5 ай бұрын

tbf most people know beast boy as his new form, and his voice actor doesn't *sound* like a white farm boy, so he's usually assumed to be black or mexican cause that's what he sounds like

This is an excellent point. Instead of blackwashing culturally European stories, introduce us all to culturally minority characters espousing and embracing their own history. Show me an African wizard battle, with great shamans warring it out. Show me a bustling Aztec city and a warrior's game. Show me characters that are rooted in their own culture, not characters that would be culturally white but just aren't.

@intheotherworld.8713

2 жыл бұрын

You should watch Onyx Equinox!! It’s not perfect but I really liked it, it’s inspired by Aztec and other mesoamerican mythology about battles between gods and the humans caught up in it

@SlygothaTheBroodmother

2 жыл бұрын

@@intheotherworld.8713 I've really loved No Evil, a web series here on KZread and newgrounds by Betsy Lee. She is native American and the whole series borrows from various native lore from plains tribes to meso American, with American folklore woven in.

@korsekil

2 жыл бұрын

Hard agree. Why not raise the actual stories from native cultures that are criminally underrepresented?

@randommonkey4900

2 жыл бұрын

i agree have stories for each race unique to that culture

@omgtatercat

2 жыл бұрын

Both of these ideas sound like they'd be amazing. I would absolutely read these if they became stories

You can't fight racism with more racism, just like you can't fight sexism with more sexism. All you end up with is more racism and sexism in the world.

@p40v1der13

2 жыл бұрын

True

@Ronaldo-ww3nl

Жыл бұрын

True

@Lucrei.

7 ай бұрын

Almost like they're socially engineering us for a societal collapse... stay strong, don't fall for their tricks, but also be kind to one another at a personal level.

@judebaun9993

6 ай бұрын

Fax, 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

@uh-oh-thats-not-good

5 ай бұрын

you can fight everything with a gun though

Her: “Go through 400 years of oppression, then we’ll talk” Irish people who have been oppressed for over 900 years: Ok then, let’s talk.

@eskil5306

2 жыл бұрын

And most irish are red heads who are usually switched for a poc

@Foxboy-un2nz

2 жыл бұрын

@@eskil5306 Exactly! It’s hypocritical when people say they are not racist, yet they do discriminatory things towards whites and redheads, such as switching them out for poc.

@savage7882

2 жыл бұрын

Greeks, Armenians, Poles, Jews, Chechens, Georgians, UkraInians lol

@whynot6266

2 жыл бұрын

@@savage7882 Albanians too bud

@keyboardwarrior1946

2 жыл бұрын

Us Vietnamese only had a lil bit more than 1000 years tho

"Beastboy is black". "No, he's white." He's.... He... He's fucking GREEN! He's not black or white, he's GREEN! Are both of these caricatures completely colorblind? His skin color... is... Green!

@itsClaptrap

2 жыл бұрын

@Celzabuu Jones at this point it almost feels like roundabout racism like why are they so insistent that these non human "people" are black, are they trying to say black people aren't human but alien/mutants?

@stevencabrera4422

2 жыл бұрын

Beast boys whole story has him as a contradiction he is a white boy who lives in Africa who got the power to turn into animals ( depending on old story or new) got his green skin from miss Mars and had martini blood.

@MALICEM12

2 жыл бұрын

@Celzabuu Jones blacks say that they identify with Piccolo because he's cool and an outsider. That he isn't like the others and thus blacks identity with him as being a minority. Which shows how blacks view themselves and society as well.

@neh1234

2 жыл бұрын

Those people can see actual Area 51 or Independance Day kind of aliens and claim they're white or black. Color doesn't matter, to them it's just a helpful visual cue that tells them who is on their side and who isn't

@konobuzoggu239

2 жыл бұрын

@Celzabuu Jones as i've said since it started, "if you see orcs as black people, i'm not sure what to tell you"

No washing should ever be deemed as ok, especially with culture. It interferes with peoples values or how a certain character was wanted to be seen.

@Sphnxfr

2 жыл бұрын

How about the opposite? My ideal scenario would be that noone gets to treat their culture as a weird sacred thing that mustn't be touched by outsiders. If someone complains about an adaptation not being authentic, I'd just tell them to read the source material or make their own adaptation, but at the same time I'd respect their freedom to do just that rather than shoving the new thing down their throats.

@legacymeme8746

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sphnxfr Im not saying that at all. Im saying that im sick of people trampling on culture, especially white culture, and then having the audacity to try to completely replace or destroy it. Its already happening with paintings, and a lot of people are recreating famous pieces of art just so they feature a black guy, and then say its the better thing and should be replaced. Thats blackwashing, and should not be justified.

@rosesnviolets7444

2 жыл бұрын

No washing at all? How the hell am I supposed to keep my car from getting all dirty

@legacymeme8746

2 жыл бұрын

@@rosesnviolets7444 Either keep it dirty or be racist.

@zoey398

2 жыл бұрын

@@legacymeme8746 how am i supposed to shower 🤨

As a POC hearing people say "blackwashing doesn't exist" or blackwashing is good because black people endured many hardships" just makes me rlly uncomfortable. These are the same people who see the representation of black people in anime (Mirko, Nessa, Rock Lock, Darui, Onyankopon, Killer Bee, etc.) and instead of being happy that representation is being brought to anime, they change existing characters such as Deku and Anya to be black or dark skinned when they're already getting represented through other characters. Please, people who do blackwashing, make your own OCs or support the POC in animes instead of disrespecting the creators of these characters by disregarding their original designs.

@Hkimass

Жыл бұрын

Yea and there are black characters in many games or media that are not popular, they can spread and support those games/Media that have actual representation instead of changing existing characters that were not intended to be black

@TaoT-T

Жыл бұрын

@@Hkimass Exactly.

@smatt9132

5 ай бұрын

100% this.

@Luffy-su1ho

5 ай бұрын

This is all well and good, but Mirko is not black. She's just got tanned skin and is as Japanese as winter is cold. Rock Lock is probably black tho

@chosen3713

5 ай бұрын

I don’t agree with washing but making a drawing of deku as a black guy with a fro isn’t that bad😂 or disrespecting the author. Deku is ultimately Japanese we all know this, so if someone wants to create what black version looks like, it’s just art and a form of self expression. Also I agree with representation because I grew up at a time where kids of colour around me thought you had to be white to do anything purely based on the reason that everything they consumed was just white people and then the occasional person of colour. So the only reason I think representation is fine is for kids.

As an Asian, I get extremely annoyed and pissed off when they change the characters from games or anime that ARE Asian, black. It's just fucking rude, to the artist, to the people who the character represents, the people who resonate with that character, and to the people who love the character. Let me tell you now, if you change the race of a character, no matter what! You WILL ALWAYS be the asshole if an argument about this topic is brought up. Also, turning a white character black, yeah.. That's also horrible. Vice versa as well.

@dusttalebrainrot

5 ай бұрын

i'm also asian, and it makes me so mad that these blackwashers don't care about any other race but their own. they don't care that they're taking away other POC representation in the process of blackwashing when they change asian characters to a whole other race. are we not "poc" to them?

@talonsandtails501

5 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the live action HTTYD situation. People just care about whether the skin is black or white. They just see white skin and go “racist! Purge it!” Like in the case of raceswapping Astrid. Erasing the Scandinavian culture HTTYD features. It’s beyond offensive. In the name of “inclusion,” they’re grouping all cultures into either “black” or “white,” effectively erasing them. In their mind there’s only “the amazing, innocent, creative beautiful and rich black culture” and “evil white crackers who stole black culture”

@Nitzkaru

5 ай бұрын

Dude i so agree with you but now days people say Blasians exists…🧍

@republicofkoreaball4349

5 ай бұрын

@@Nitzkaru They do technically exist. But not in a majority.

@Ooferdoodlez

5 ай бұрын

@@republicofkoreaball4349which makes rep important

“Beastboy is actually black” I’m pretty sure he’s green

@HangryOnPaws

2 жыл бұрын

😂 **wheeze**

@itsnatyo

2 жыл бұрын

@marshmxllow fluff 2 characters out of how many non blk characters? yall just want us to settle for the few we have and call it a day huh?

@itsnatyo

2 жыл бұрын

@marshmxllow fluff im sure dc comics have more characters than the teen titans bruh 💀.. and yea, i do. y’all get mad when poc make edits but yall fail to realize that we only do that bc we’re poorly represented. how the hell is making an oc gonna give black ppl more representation when literally no one is gonna see the oc. representation starts by having popular media (such and marvel and dc…) include more people of color and whatnot. dont tell me i have to put in work in order to see a character that looks like me on the tv,, especially when white ppl for example, dont have to do shit.

@itsnatyo

2 жыл бұрын

@marshmxllow fluff i was talking about dc in general goofy 💀💀 and no, white ppl dont have to work for representation. in the states white ppl are literally everywhere. there’s so many shows that have specifically (and only) white people in them. why do blk ppl have to work for representation when it’s literally so fucking easy to add a few people of color to their little stories 😭 if childrens’ cartoons can do it, so can more mature shows. and dont call me being disappointed with how things are a “victim mentality.” yall always tryna downplay the way blk ppl feel about certain things. yall act like we aren’t people,, why do we have to fight in order to see characters that look like us in tv shows??

@itsnatyo

Жыл бұрын

@Pandora what

In one of the comics she refers to the white Character as a "colonizer". Yea I'm sure blackwashing is nothing but pure love - no Ill intent to be found whatsoever

@chronic-joker

2 жыл бұрын

bro when legends reveiw drop?

@spyr0guy

2 жыл бұрын

hello DistantKingdom from youtube channel DistantKingdom

@titanblade3706

2 жыл бұрын

She makes it seem like black washing is a revenge, but she’s saying it’s “out of love”

@KingTai64

2 жыл бұрын

Not justifying the stupid ideology, but it is a fact that whites did colonize. I don't think people should be offended by the fact, but definitely always point out that if not you, then another race/empire would do the colonization.

@Gorbz

2 жыл бұрын

You can argue that black people are the original colonisers, however, as it was Homo Sapiens who left Africa via the middle east and Turkey and out-competed the original europeans - Neanderthals - which eventually led to their extinction. Yes it was hundreds of thousands of years ago, and European imperialist nations did then return in the scramble for Africa, but both are historical colonial events only seperated by time and intent (we can only guess as to why the original HS group left Africa).

yAH.... and someone should tell this woman that in Nigerian movies, 99% of representation is black. In India, 99% of the representation is Indian In South Korea, or any Asian country, 99% a representation is Korean or Asian. In Spain 99% of the representation is spanish. In every country where the majority is one skin color, their media represents that. Almost 60% of the USA population is white. Black is 12.4 and Hispanic is 18.7. Asian is 6%. There are many white people and other ethnicities living in China and Asian countries however they are still not the majority represented on screen because they are simply not the majority. It is what it is. I never understood why people want to take characters that are already a color and swap them instead of just making new characters and fighting for that. It comes off very insulting to poc as if they are only good enough for already established characters to be handed down to them

@IVPixel

2 жыл бұрын

Lol mate remove the hispanics and arabs and you get the actual number of white people (aka europeans) which is at like 40%

@fakhrirasyad547

Жыл бұрын

Hey alteori

@thatcursedpoet0825

Жыл бұрын

The representation in Indian media isn't perfect (it has its problems), but I will agree that most of the characters portrayed are Indian. Naturally because the stories take place in India or is connected to India in some way. And I agree with your last paragraph so much!! It's just better to create new characters instead of changing the race of an already existing character. Let's get the creativity flowing 💪

@letsgetlit2829

Жыл бұрын

Uh, 74% white. A big chunk of that Hispanic population is white.

@isaiahraymond269

Жыл бұрын

At least someone said it

I remember watching a video where a group of college students got together to have a POC only meeting about racism, a safe space where people could talk about their experiences dealing with racism without the judgmental eyes of white people fouling it up. The woman that was running the event, who is black, hands the talking stick to an Asian woman who goes on to describe a terrifying encounter between her, her friend, and a man in a car. He had driven up to them on the street and started cat-calling them. When they refused to get in his car he started screaming racial slurs at them. During all of the story up to this point everyone in attendance are nodding and encouraging her. All the way up to the point where she says " We were very scared because he was a very large black man" That was when the woman running the event dashed forward and snatched the talking stick from her and told her that her story was inappropriate because it wasn't an example of racism. It was just an example of a bad man. You see, she told the girl "black people CAN'T BE RACIST". She explains the the girl that even if a black person uses racial slurs it's not racist, only white people can be racist. You could tell by the look on the Asian girls face that she wasn't buying the double-think.

@chaus1ku

5 ай бұрын

🤦‍♀️ /nay

@-miika_starr-

Ай бұрын

oh my god i despise people who think only white people can be racist. anyone can be racist.

Hearing these kinds of people on twitter talk about racism always sounds like “the race with the most oppression gets to be racist without any repercussions!” Like, when did this turn into a racism pity party? I thought we all wanted equality??

@_fussyfangs

2 жыл бұрын

And when did it suddenly turn into some crazy ass competition? To see who’s more oppressed?Like now with gen Z kids on TikTok faking mental illness because it makes them “less privileged” since they can’t swap out their race. It’s ridiculous AF…

@theflerffyburr7919

2 жыл бұрын

Mom said it's my turn with the racism

@dairoberts5188

2 жыл бұрын

@@theflerffyburr7919 but you had it last week it’s my turn

@oxines6979

2 жыл бұрын

You know the story: there were a group that claimed to fight for justice but the group was corrupted. In the eye's of the group anything would justify it's means and they would then justify: it's for the greatest justice! That's what happens when you are so polarized. And the worse: you can point it out and some of them would be so blind by their ideologies and sense of justice that they would justify anything. Remember: they see themselves as heroes. They see their actions justified. There was even the classic story of people who claimed to hate Hitler. There were a kid who was named Hitler by their parents and those people Beatles the innocent boy(we can even look at history because this isn't something new: groups that became tribalista and fought for justice, justice that would justify even the killing of innocents for the system to work.

@itsmehholly3251

2 жыл бұрын

AAAA THIS IS SO TRUE IM

It's funny how she talks about "needing black stories" as she's literally talking about just taking someone elses story and painting it black. Become what you hate?

@itsClaptrap

2 жыл бұрын

fuck making an original story or advertising black creators, let's just take popular thing and take the sloppy seconds representation

@Semeyaza

2 жыл бұрын

It's easier, sadly, than becoming something you love on your own strenght.

@timothysimon8528

2 жыл бұрын

No to defend her or anything, but I think that instances of "blackwashing" in art can be beneficial to black cosplayers, who tend to get a lot of shit for "not accurately portraying a character". I feel like any person is free to identify with a character of any race, especially when it is in a fantasy or a sci-fi setting. After all, stuff like genderswapping or self-inserts are generally accepted.

@glowsticks6517

2 жыл бұрын

@@timothysimon8528 or just ignore hate and cosplay whatever you want to your heart's content. Know how when we were kids we were taught that dumb thing? "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." Instead of needing diversity in media to avoid hate for your cosplay, maybe just cosplay what you want and don't get angry over mere words that criticize you.

@konobuzoggu239

2 жыл бұрын

there could be a large market for tv shows about african legends and myths, full of black people, but what does the media do? Britain has a black queen, and black viking chiefs are now a thing

I love it when someone who was never enslaved or oppressed tells me to be enslaved or oppressed for a few centuries before they will talk with me. It just confirms that what they want is nothing more than revenge against a race of people and I should really not support them or the groups they support

@ianhansen6840

Жыл бұрын

Support your culture, not the skin tone, dude! "Some Guy," = Case In Point

@GhostSal

Жыл бұрын

The most racíst people are the ones calling all of one race racist and saying they “can’t be racíst”.

@fredhughes4115

Жыл бұрын

No one has ever endured 400 years of oppression.

@nyancat.123

5 ай бұрын

​@@fredhughes4115 hahaha... Hate to break it to you bud... 😅

@shayla106

5 ай бұрын

@@nyancat.123Whoosh. No living person has endured 400 years of oppression, you don’t get to monopolize your ancestors pain and struggles. But I guess privilege people need a reason to complain.

As a Poc, (I HATE SAYING THAT OMG) I’ve seen this EVERYWHERE in MANY fandoms and it INFURIATES so much!!! Like, if these -- want a black/Poc character, go make one!!! No one’s stopping you!!!! We don’t care!!!! Just don’t change a character’s race PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!

@devanshepard9118

Жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity when brandy was Cinderella in 1997 and that movie broke tv records did you feel Cinderella should have stayed white

@Gibmeprimogemss

Жыл бұрын

@@devanshepard9118 I never watched that, sorry, so I don't have any opinions about it

@imaginebeinggay2779

Жыл бұрын

Are you not proud to be a POC? 😭

@Alphabetwillbet

Жыл бұрын

@@devanshepard9118Absolutely. You don't change races.

@etoileshine1011

11 ай бұрын

​​​@@imaginebeinggay2779Unpopular opinion: A lot of people like OP including me don't like the term poc. The term person of color is just a unique way of saying "colored person" and I hate that. To me that term is telling me that White people are the "default" and everyone who isn't White are all just lumped together. The word minorites exist and I would rather be called that then a more "progressive" way of saying colored people.

I've never seen anyone express my thoughts so plainly. I'm Asian, and I've seen originally-created Asian characters being race-swapped into black people on Twitter, and it's always made me uncomfortable, like they were erasing the Asian part of them. They'd say "I made him a black person!" and when us Asians take notice and say something, they say "Asians can be black, too, blasians exist!" Well I know they do but you just said you turned them into a black person, not a blasian. The thing is, in some people's quest to be represented, they end up walking all over other POCs and they seem to not even care if we feel the same way they do when the race of the character is changed. I'll be honest, it's kinda made me want to do the same to them again, turn black characters Asian, but two wrongs don't make a right, and doing it would make me a hypocrite, too.

@jumpyjasmine3735

2 жыл бұрын

I remember expressing this feeling in a poc chat... the uh... conversation wasnt very fun. Also just wanted to edit and add that I wasnt trying to convince people it was kinda- yeah I was more over asking if my feelings were valid. A person said yeah it was normal- but then 2-3 people came it basically questioning me why I thought that ;-; it was very intense and I was kinda scared to answer or ask any questions... I just couldnt give more of an explanation of why i felt uncomfortable with people making asian characters black or “blasian”. I just… didnt like it-

@christianharisson426

2 жыл бұрын

Fellow asian here, these peoples who blackwashing asian character while erasing the asian part of them and calling them "blasian" are just too cringe, "BUT BLACK ASIAN EXIST DONT ACT LIKE THEY ARE NOT EXIST" ok yes they are, peoples who has parents mixed of black and asian peoples are exist, but like have you ever heard of melanine and tanning especially for southeast asian like filipine and south asian like india, these peoples are brown, dark brown, or just light brown, and they are still asian, its not like one of their parents are african-american and the other is asian, their blood is pure asian, for me, using POC term for asian is not wrong but it just sounds too much of categorizing, just call asian and thats enough, no matter which asian country were you from

@japaengliss1544

2 жыл бұрын

@@jumpyjasmine3735 whenever ppl raceswap characters it's rarely a mixed character. It's like we don't exist. I hate it whenever they take a tan Asian and hc them as black. Like tan East Asians face so much colorism and already get so little representation and now you've gone ahead and slapped on a Black label, RACISM SOLVED! Can we please have more dark and mixed characters? Instead of all Asians looking the same? And where are the brown ppl, there's like none. Western media and anime both majorly miss brown ppl, probably get less representation than blacks.

@mmmmmariba

2 жыл бұрын

_I agree. Black isn't the only POC out there. And as an Afro-Hispanic/Latino, I'd kindly like to apologize to you for how some of us have been acting._

@radrno7

2 жыл бұрын

@@mmmmmariba You don't have to apologize for someone else because they have the same ethnicity as you. That's an individual issue that only those that did wrong can fix their own mistakes.

I feel race swapping is just a lazy way to get representation. It's just "Oh hey, here's a POC! Look at how inclusive we are!" when creating an actually well thought out new characters that happens to be POC would be much better.

@TheC-O-D-Y-Project

2 жыл бұрын

Looking at the basis for all this activism, it's more like coexistence of representative characters still admits (in their minds) that they are in a hegemonic battle that they have a late start in and risk non-competitiveness, and using guilt and carefully worded requests for acquiescence is a much simpler and potentially more effective tribalistic approach to "... duty to fight, duty to win..." Even the 'build back better' slogan attached to this activism requires anything currently standing and/or functional to be demolished first.

@howareyoumoreofaclownthanme

2 жыл бұрын

And what pisses me off is the fact that people will literally do this to other minority characters. The things I've seen people on Twitter do makes me tear my hair out. I literally told people 'That person with a light skin tone you're blackwashing is not white, they're Asian'. Now don't get me wrong, blackwashing to begin with is completely wrong, but it stings more as an Asian person who grew up in the West. I needed representation too, but I never asianwashed. And what gets me the most is that there are some badass black characters in anime and manga. They could literally be celebrating anime like Afro Samurai and Michiko and Hatchin, but no, they have to take MHA characters who aren't black and turn them black... despite MHA having black characters. It makes me lose faith in humanity.

@johnjackson9767

2 жыл бұрын

They envy Whites so much.

@theSkin_of_a_Killer_Bella

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, i think that’s how it came to be. As said in another thread, maybe once before changing a character’s looks (not exactly their entire race) was just for funzies. But now it often just looks like laziness, or “toxic revenge” covered with “let’s spread love and representation” (again, all while just repainting a character black). Because truly, i do think it’s fun or nice to see a character in different forms and styles etc (ofc context matters, like black panther).

@Misterlellow

2 жыл бұрын

@@howareyoumoreofaclownthanme I saw an artist make Kiki from ‘Kiki’s delivery service’ black and they were mad that people were calling it blackwashing. But the artist was literally making an Asian character black. Asian people are underrepresented too, yet I have never seen a post of someone making a white character Asian or do what the artist did and make a black character Asian. Maybe it’s just less popular but I don’t know. Why change a characters race when you can just make a new character?

"Instead of black washing characters, create original characters" Nah that's too much of an effort for them to do. They would rather have the leftovers of canonically white/other race characters and lazily make them black.

White South African here, growing up I heard some mad stories about Zulu superstitions like the Tikoloshe, there's plenty of spooky folklore for people to take inspiration from if you want to create an African fantasy.

@admirekashiri6651

2 жыл бұрын

Already been doneamdits still being done. Imaro Black Leopard Red Wolf Kingdom of Souls Raybearer The Rage of Dragons Etc Have African folkloric themes in them including creatures like the tokoloshe.

@thejackal9834

2 жыл бұрын

@@admirekashiri6651 That's great! I congratulate the creators for actually going out there and creating something new, that they're passionate about rather than rewriting someone else's intellectual property.

She concludes with "let's boost black creators." Blackwashing Durin or Ariel does the exact opposite: it boosts Tolkien or Anderson and tacitly admits that their creations are superior to the original characters black creators are producing.

@missingdiamond6676

2 жыл бұрын

I dont need to be represented in all forms of media, just make good stories that relate to people on an emotional level instead of a racial level.

@patchkerrigan1803

2 жыл бұрын

But Hans Christian Andersen clearly depicted the little Mearmaid as black! Lol... I dont know where these people get their delusions, it is even based on the Story of Undine, a middle european water nymph.

@GIRRIG001

2 жыл бұрын

@@missingdiamond6676 Avatar the last airbender, I know every character in that show is of Asian ethnicity or Inuit. I didn't give a damn. I just enjoyed it. The writers can make the characters whatever damn race they like, what determines how good the story is how well its written. Thats all.

@hellspawnedhero1123

2 жыл бұрын

Beautifully stated.

@gsomslayer

2 жыл бұрын

why does it matter whose creations are superior race doesnt determine an individual's creativity

As a white person, the hero I related to the most was Black Panther. He is a man who highly values tradition and while he wants to help the world he put his country first. He was one of the first instances of a character like that in media that was protrayed as a good man and hero. It's shame they didn't do the character justice in the movie

@jacindaellison3363

2 жыл бұрын

I like BP, but I will admit he was sidelined in his own movie. His and Killmonger's fathers had more depth than him, coming from a black woman. And Tony Stark's my favorite MCU hero.

@chethammer

2 жыл бұрын

So, I'm not the only one who thought that the Black Panther in Civil War was far, far superior to the Black Panther in the movie.

@jacindaellison3363

2 жыл бұрын

@@chethammer nope! And I heard that Ryan Coogler purposefully focused on the worldbuilding and the side characters. I was upset. You can't sideline your protagonist in his/her own movie!

@theredheadwiththread1275

2 жыл бұрын

In his own movie he's just there because it's the title. I couldn't even watch the whole thing because it wasn't even about him.

@dulce_dragonesa2966

2 жыл бұрын

Literally I thought Black Panther was the coolest when I was a kid, I just thought it was neat he was based on one of my favorite animals, and little me wanted to be just like him and fight with claws and do cool acrobatics.

As a Mexican, I get completely pissed when some outside buddies think they have the right to decide what is racist to us, the same people that claim for diverse representation will later get mad because the characters are not like THEY think they should be, like when a movie represents a Latin character that isn't black, excuse me... Have you heard about Hernán Cortés?? Mexican people can not enjoy representation because of outsiders that don't know Mexico any further than Death's Day and tacos, but I, someone born in Jalisco, and raised in Guadalajara, will never get Speedy González back because of being "a harmful stereotype to Mexican people" Dude, that guy had his own succesful restaurant, always got what he wanted and was known to be the fastest living being Or maybe... The problem is that Speedy sold pizzas, and of course, the pizza is not a traditional Mexican food, of course, yeah As minorities, they don't give two fucks about us, all the "diversity" they really want, is to include Sor Juana's bills into their collection

@generaldelasmontanas2699

Жыл бұрын

tantos idiomas y tenias que hablar con la verdad

@Ronaldo-ww3nl

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly how I feel

"go through 400 years of oppresion, then we'll talk" oooof, someone oughta teach her about the history of the word "slave".

@SultanKingzurhoMuhammad

2 ай бұрын

Ok and Black ppl had the worst slavery out of all the races you should Know This

as a POC, please just support characters that are already of colour, and dont just, blackwash white characters. It's honestly sad.

@quit3118

11 ай бұрын

@YigroishBottlesBiggestFanFr, I have my own POC characters Some of them are not African-American like me but I had these characters for years and have a very overactive imagination and worlds I always loved creating characters But people will find ways to make it seem inpossible to create their own

@Krystalmyth

11 ай бұрын

@antifurry_slayer Most of us feel this way tbh. The loud ones are a vocal minority.

@Yesbecauseisaidso

11 ай бұрын

Yeah

@shootingjester2780

9 ай бұрын

Spawn is goated baby!

@Rakso5809

5 ай бұрын

I think what many people don't see is that blackwashing is a way to further discriminate against POC. The money for royalties still foes to white people if white content gets blackwashed. The massive companies standing behind race swaps are still mostly white. If you regurgitate old content that is white coded and just race swap it, you're not doing proper representation, you're creating modern blackface. Just that there's not a white actor painting themselves black to misrepresent POC, you abuse those POC actors to misrepresent themselves. And that way they can avoid paying black creators for their original contexts. How is that representation? Why are people of colour alright with being continuously made invisible where it counts, and being appeased by creators giving lip service?

as a black man raised in the 90's, I'm actually happy that there weren't that many black characters that i could identify with because it forced me to look beyond race and look at a character's personality, ideals ect. which is, last time that i checked, what Martin Luther King told us we should be doing

@SpartanTrigger

2 жыл бұрын

His dreams dead bro , I’ve accepted being the “ colonizer “ And “ oppressor” after the last few years I think we can’t all be friends or live together, as my old black friends told me “ your a devil and will always be” I’ve accepted that and pretty much agree with many of the black nationalists and separatists

@flewis02

2 жыл бұрын

@@SpartanTrigger calm down dude, we don't need to be everyones friends anyway, all white ppl ain't friends either. Pretty much look out for the ones u love and give respect unless it's rejected.

@newtpondskipper

2 жыл бұрын

I give you all my respect for that. How many times have you been called uncle Tom doing so? My friend Mike was called milk chocolate for being light skinned and getting along with white nerds.

@gundamdetractor337

2 жыл бұрын

i never had such need to identify myself in a character tbh. if i like it then i like it, its simple. that superhero Static Shock for example, i always liked him, never cared about his race, the guy is cool, thats enough to me

@Azraelseraphim

2 жыл бұрын

If you look at Batman and Superman its basically the same guy. Black hair and Blue eyes. The focus of these characters was not their everyday lives and who they represent in those everyday lives. But rather their persona is their real self. There are hidden themes of identities within these characters. The ones given to us and the ones we choose to embrace. Themes of what we choose to represent. Remember when DC used to be good? Now we have narcissistic Batgirl posing for a selfie. Much hero. Much good.

As a black man and an artist I will say that darker toned characters are less marketable than characters with lighter skin tones... but I hate that whenever race is brought up its always black and white. Like there are so many other cultures that get left out of the conversation. There are middle eastern, hispanic, and indian people with darker skin than my own. Thats the real crime here, their representation is almost non-existent and very stereotypical.

@YataTheFifteenth

2 жыл бұрын

as an asian man and a consumer, I disagree. It's just that there're not a lot of em. People appreciate the darker tones as much as the lighter ones as long as they like the artstyle.

@rey6708

Жыл бұрын

nah not really. every race is marketable just look at fokn afro samurai. it just gets unmarketable when theres a fucking agenda behind it that wants people to understand how much black people suffered even though they are moraly superior to everyone else especially white people.

@blaNkEuLa

6 ай бұрын

no one thinks that way though? so many dark toned characters are VERY popular. I think some people should get off the internet for a bit and take a breather.

God thank you! As a Poc who's been attacked for calling out the hypocrisy of race swapping/ blackwashing it's just so refreshing to hear this.

As far as representation goes- I am a white person with vitiligo. When I saw a black Barbie in the store who /also/ had vitiligo, my completely natural, and deeply emotional, response was "she looks JUST LIKE me!" Tears were not far off. But the doll and I look NOTHING alike. The only thing we shared was a rare skin condition, but that was enough for me to feel seen and repressed.

@mysryuza

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for bringing this up

@joeduckburyofjoeducania4587

2 жыл бұрын

I mean I just identified with character I found cool or had the same accent as me I didn't really care about race I'm Wasian and the only character I know who is Wasian is mikasa from attack on titan and I can't really identify with mikasa

@djcjfxyz5351

2 жыл бұрын

This comment is so wholesome

@xem_ity

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know why people think only black ppl can have Vitiligo. Also, I think Vitiligo looks really pretty, never be ashamed of it :)

@Tepotita

2 жыл бұрын

I'm also White with vitiligo. Never seen any toy represnt this condition. Would have been es awsome.

It's just so funny seeing some individuals saying something like: "Black people CAN'T be racist" while trying to justify their racism. Racism is a two-way road, there is no in-between... you're either racist or not. Edit: Grammar and... KZread never notified me of responses here, nor likes so... 🗿

@itsClaptrap

2 жыл бұрын

imagine my totally genuine and not at all expected shock seeing an alarming number of black people on Twitter being flagrantly racist to Asians, then proceeding to declare they're not POC because "their skin is white so they might as well be white". Then proceed to tantrum scream their mantra "racism isnt hate its prejudice plus power and only white people have power bla bla bla" out any time someone called out their racism

@jneal1347

2 жыл бұрын

I'd like those people to meet Uncle Ruckus

@Sofiaode18

2 жыл бұрын

@@itsClaptrap I really hate the term POC, it implies that there's some kind of solidarity between all non white people, which is false as evident by how many people in general are simply racist regardless of skin color; and how poeple use the word implies that all non white people are oppressed in some way which is also false since a lot of non white immigrants are doing well in western countries. Racial politics in America is toxic and the left know it, but they feed into it anyway.

@dougsmith6262

2 жыл бұрын

Right?! If holding all POC and genders in equal regard is racism, then I'm racist and I don't care who knows it!

@dougsmith6262

2 жыл бұрын

@@jneal1347 LMAO, bro, these soft-asses aren't ready for Uncle Ruckus.

Blackwashing or whitewashing, doesnt matter to me. The second you "fix" a character, youre dead to me. To change art to be "better" is absolutely deplorable to me. Now you can have fan art or a reinterpretation of a character, but to make it about "representation" or make it about "fixing art" when you race swap or gender swap a character instantly invalidates what you do because its no longer art, its an insult to the original artist. Make it about art itself, not politics.

@gingershrimpale

2 ай бұрын

yes please "fixing" art is in no way fixing, it's a way to show a blatant disregard and disrespect to artist the only thing that should ever be fixed in someone else's art is overall color palette/color tone, perspective, anatomy or etc. and only when artist asked for that or agreed to this

@TheSpiderInUrWalls

Ай бұрын

Exactly… like why was the original art not good enough for you? If someone race-swapped my character, I’d be pissed. Like, why didn’t you like my original representation of my character? Some of my OC’s are white, and some aren’t. It’s just how I imagine them.

@GraveyardMaiden

23 күн бұрын

Honestly if you're doing race swaps for a fun what if or cosplay ideas it's fine that's all meant for fun, but when people say it's for 'representation' or to 'fix' a character it's honestly not done for fun but out of a sense of self righteousness that honestly just disrespects so many creators and good characters that need the spot light more than just some ip that doesn't have the representation they want

I hate it when they call a white character "default" A white character can represent different cultures. For example slavs are white. That's literally erasing the representation as they call it. Changing ANY race is not right! And white characters are no exception to that. Aren't making an existing character another race is not only an insult to people that belong to the character's original race but also an insult to people that belong to a race that a character had been swaped? Like that's just telling someone your race is not worthy of something original, you can only parasite on something that was made. That's awful!

I am a redhead, and I would joke around about redhead characters getting race swapped into black people in media, but it kept happening and I am getting tired of it. You worded this perfectly to express how I feel about it. Also I loved the proposition of fantasy stories based on African mythology, that would be cool

@lanic6768

2 жыл бұрын

Oh honey here are some characters that I came up with thanks to Afro mythology and believe me if I can do it also this is no pandering nor is it any virtue signal also if I can do it Why can’t they ? Because they don’t want to they do not give a f about poc

@RealGhost49

2 жыл бұрын

Not just race swapping hair swapping. Almost all redheads are getting different hair colors. Which is weird I don’t get why Edit: will not exactly all redheads but a bunch of redheads

@lanic6768

2 жыл бұрын

@@C12341 thx ☺️

@Jo-Heike

2 жыл бұрын

Kirikou is a film based on West African folk tales.

@frogicorn

2 жыл бұрын

thisssssss I'm a redhead too and I think about this all the time, but I don't know how to talk about it!!

"Try going through 400 years of oppression" The Slavs, Irish and Jews: allows us to introduce ourselves.

@panniguin862

2 жыл бұрын

don't forget the multi-century Islamic occupations of Iberia, the Mediterranean isles & Anatolia, the Barbary slave trade affecting all of Southern Europe for centuries, the highland clearances of the Scottish Gaels & oh-so-much-more.

@Azraelseraphim

2 жыл бұрын

There is a war in Ukraine right now and its having a negative impact on the surrounding Slavic countries. Before that there was the war in Bosnia. Black people never had it easier in America its just that the left leaning ones squander their potential and blame everyone but themselves for not succeeding. Meanwhile a Ukrainian kid can look forward to a Russian Shell blasting through their roof and into their bedroom. I, being from Bosnia, still live with my nightmares. I don't even have to reference the past of my ancestors I was made to experience it first hand!

@grimnir8872

2 жыл бұрын

@@panniguin862 Looking into the history of England alone brings up hilarious amounts of ethnic control.

@NostalgicGamerRickOShay

2 жыл бұрын

My Irish ancestors were slaves of the English and my Scottish ancestors were slaves of the English and my Mesoamerican ancestors were slaves of the Spanish and my Spanish ancestors were slaves of the Romans and my Jewish ancestors were slaves of the Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, and the Romans.

@christophermonteith2774

2 жыл бұрын

laughs in pre-Britain Britain (scottish, irish, welsh, and engish to some extent)

them swapping the race of snow white didnt make much sense considering her skin colour is the entire reason she got the name snow white in the first place "her skin is as white as snow"

It also makes me a bit angry when people say that, “you can’t be racist to white people/europeans” YES YOU CAN. YOU COULD BE RACIST TO ANY ETHNICITY PERSON. For example, take an Irish person, you can’t just go up to them and start saying sh1t about leprechauns, Irish dancing and St. Patrick’s Day or add on to some stereotypes. Racism can happen to ANYONE no matter their ethnicity. ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY THINK IT IS OK TO CHANGE CHARACTERS BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE.

@SultanKingzurhoMuhammad

2 ай бұрын

Black ppl can’t be racist to white Europeans or Irish maybe we can be offensive not racist Yall don’t get no leeway and some privilege now we’re all of a sudden you can face racism now NO After black ppl have been stripped,mutilated,burned,lnchyed,super colonized by Europeans and Irish And after that we still ain’t got no reputations Until black ppl get some reputations like how Jews did from the German government Then we can talk about whether black ppl can be racist to white people 😊

As an asian, I get incredibly frustrated when I see asian (typically japanese) characters get race swapped. Like, imo just say you're racist against asians if you do that.

@dondog3123

2 жыл бұрын

They keep forgetting dark and brown skinned asian existed too and disregarded them as black. These people are rather making it about black and white, and keep ignoring about other ethnicity and race

@veevzdrawz8499

2 жыл бұрын

@@dondog3123 Yeah, I agree. From what I’ve observed, they typically swap the character’s race to that of black

@japaengliss1544

2 жыл бұрын

@@dondog3123 my pet peeve is the erasure of darker skinned Asians in favor of blackwashing

@razrafz

2 жыл бұрын

that what happens when those said people live under a rock and thinks the USA/africa are the only continents on earth

@dondog3123

2 жыл бұрын

@@razrafz god, most people who have been living under a rock also thinks africa is a country, this one african american i talked to thought africa is a country

The creepiest part of all this to me is that it kinda feels like these people are so obsessed with whatever identity they’re clinging to that they start to embody the old negative stereotypes associated with that identity out of some need to be “authentic”. It’s utterly disturbing to watch it happen, regardless of the person in question. Identity politics is like krokodil for the mind.

@stephanc6138

2 жыл бұрын

your assuming they've got minds left.

@Thomasmemoryscentral

2 жыл бұрын

You mean how the mid to late 2010's had some lunatics cling to the old stereotype that girls can be flawless princesses and boys are a bunch of low thinking brutes echoed in 80's cartoons such as the original my little pony?

@charlesws7825

2 жыл бұрын

Krokodil sounds like poison...which would explain lots.

@andresanguianozuniga6798

2 жыл бұрын

Because without that they are nothing.

@charlesws7825

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thomasmemoryscentral I only watched a few cartoons from the 80's regularly like Transformers, G.I. Joe, He-Man and She-Ra, but the stereotypes you mean were light in those shows. (The only Joe episode where the women had to save the guys wasn't what you'd call 'feminist!') It was worse in pre-woke Marvel Comics. Chris Claremont and Alan Davis, great as they were, went out of their way at left field moments to have female characters give guys trouble for having too much testosterone.

The biggest harm of blackwashing is that it keeps burying african mythology and folklore deeper and deeper to the point of being fossilized. Sure, we get black mermaids, black norse gods, but we'll never see Mwindo or Asani on the big screen because people don't hear of them.

@TheSpiderInUrWalls

Ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!! Represent the characters through their own story! I believe cultural representation is just as important, and I would love to see more traditional tales from other cultures in media.

as a white woman I could also complain how in western media there are very little European characters. I mean I see way more black characters in popular media than German characters but that doesn't matter because well, if I like the character I like them and if they're German without the stereotypes or some connection to h/tler I'm happy. But I don't go around and scream about how unfair all of this is.

Loved the cartoon Static Shock while I was growing up. As a black American, you know which character I related to the most from that show which often talked about typical black American culture? Richie, the white kid. Why? Because he was a geek who got excited about technology. Gear's super intelligence was way more enticing to me than Static's electro-magnetism. Personality-wise and thematically, I saw more of myself in Richie than I did in Virgil or any other character from that show.

@HiddenOcelot

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I don't have to have the same skin color to connect with the underlying characteristics they have.

@justsomeguywithamustache.9096

2 жыл бұрын

man you just brought back some memories. thanks for making my day.

@jeffbenton6183

2 жыл бұрын

As a white kid, Static Shock was my favorite superhero growing up. He was just a great character in a great show

@patchmoulton5438

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, the opening theme is stuck in my head again. Thats a good thing.

@ToxicBastard

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, I always used to watch Teen Titans and think "Wow, Raven is just like me!" as a kid. I ain't a petite goth girl, but I was an angsty fuck who didn't like talking to people and who wore hoods a LOT back then. People who cannot relate to those of other groups are just devoid of empathy.

"It's not racist if a minority is doing it" -Twitter

@truth__hurts

Жыл бұрын

Swap minority with white. White people are already a global minority making up 9% of the total human population. And they're adamanently predicted to be a minority in most of countries they currently hold a majority in as early as 20 years from now or as late as the end of this century.

@Gibmeprimogemss

Жыл бұрын

And Tumblr and Tiktok

@belogical0

Жыл бұрын

Or...it is racist if a majority is doing it. It is only this or that. Nothing in between. Had to stay consistent throughout.

@nnathannisaiahh

Жыл бұрын

they say it isnt racist bc they view people as collectives and that “we” oppressed “them” and therefore you “cant” be racist to white people bc “we” are “oppressors”. it’s always an oppression battle.

@Heretic-007

Жыл бұрын

Like Whites in SA?

You know what I find so stupid about modern America? Most people don't even know what the definition of racism even is. They think they do, but they don't. Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. Key word: typically, which just means that's the usual case (or the only one people care to talk about) Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people based on their race. So whitewashing a character is racist because you're disrespecting the original creator by completely altering the described or widely accepted appearance of their character, you're only doing it because you don't like the character's original skin color. However, blackwashing is the exact same, but you don't see it as racism because you don't understand what racism is. You think blackwashing is okay because the media in the past portrayed black people in a negative light due to racism against black people in the past, but why is it that your race was discriminated against for so long but instead of trying to achieve equality you want to reverse that racism and make white people suffer the same discrimination your race used to suffer? That's just revenge, revenge against people based purely on their race, on something their ancestors did. Or maybe the excuse is that white people used to oppress black people? Yet, that's reversed as well... You may not believe it, but if a white person says literally anything about black people it's immediately deemed as racist, their name and reputation is dragged through the mud and they might as well have signed their death warrant.

@likmijnreet4542

Жыл бұрын

didn't some woman force the Oxford dictionary to change its definition of racism during the BLM movement?

@quynhchipham9607

11 күн бұрын

Tbh, I'm not surprised, like, what do you expect from a country whose more than half of the adults have the literacy below 6th grade? Even a 6 year old understands the definition of racism better than many grown-ups

Beast boy ain’t black. Or white. He’s green!

Gotta love how it isn't racist when blacks do it. It's maybe "prejudice," but never "racist." It's a bad argument, dumb argument, and people who use it should feel dumb and bad.

@J-B4R

2 жыл бұрын

@@Phisherman86 Won't say blacks are crybabies as one myself. I'll just say, the culture we end up promoting is very toxic and hypocritical in some fashions.

@Muizemullard414

2 жыл бұрын

Its either all okay or none of it is. This is the core of the issue if it's not okay for people to change the skin color of black character then the same should apply for a white character.

@100organicfreshmemes5

2 жыл бұрын

@@Phisherman86 It's nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with culture. The subculture of woke dumbasses in western culture are crybabies, but not all black people be it in North America, Europe, Cuba, Africa or anywhere else are crybabies.

@Ironislander4302

2 жыл бұрын

@@100organicfreshmemes5 ☝️This, nurture always beats out nature when it comes to folk, i don’t care where you’re from what you speak or what color you are.

@darthgillez1272

2 жыл бұрын

@@100organicfreshmemes5 I agree !! We gotta get back to Treating people as individuals and judging people on their character!!!

As a Middle eastern man, it bothers me when i hear people scream "We need more representation" when in reality all they mean is black and gay people. I don't necessarily think Hollywood needs constant and unnecessary representation BUT if you say so, then why are you consciously ignoring every other race? A bigot isn't someone who may be a little ignorant on a subject, a bigot is someone who has a bias towards one group over another and that's exactly what they are.

@Ozymandias2x

2 жыл бұрын

A bigot is someone who doesn't allow differing thoughts or opinions. Which is why they don't like it when you bring up the original definition; they're its biggest representatives.

@Grimalken1969

2 жыл бұрын

Sort of like a bigot who believes only the European cultural mythos are worth doing, and they will give the poor blacks a pat on the head so they can be a part of something great. Instead of taking a mythological story from the Middle East, or Asia, and making it into a billion dollar Amazon series. Nope, the bigot, in this case, would think those cultural stories would not be good enough, so we get a mish-mash of Tolkien LoTR wannabe crap, inserting people of color into it, instead.

@zamar2158

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. The question also arises as to why hollywood or any one white has to represent someone else other than their own people. Can't they do their own stuff, and if it's good we'll watch. Bollywood doesn't even include people of India who are not from the hindi speaking belt , they don't have white, east asian or black people , but priyanka Chopra who wouldn't fight for inclusion on bollywood cones to america and preaches inclusion of indians. There are flourishing movie industries all over the world that do not represent anyone other than their own majority . So there is no need for hollywood weirdos to go woke and represent other populations. Let those others create their own.

@razzprince2877

2 жыл бұрын

@@Grimalken1969 Exactly right. I'd personally LOVE to see as (Just Some Guy said) an African version of Lord of the Rings that was made from scratch but no, apparently an ALL black or brown cast for a TV show would be too risky so let's just force representation to people who don't want it, essentially making the battle of racism harder.

@aredjayc2858

2 жыл бұрын

@@razzprince2877 As another middle eastern dude, same

I used to draw my favorite shippings gender swapped, species swapped, (like FF12 Fran as a human while Balthier is a vierra) and race swapped. I just love the challenge of translating the features and the satisfaction of the contrast. But now I'm terrified to even draw a black character for fear of accidentally making their skin a shade too light or their hair incorrectly coiled/textured. I've been holding off on drawing Ekko (from Arcane) because of this. "You're not allowed to draw black characters if youre not perfect at art" is what I learned.

i saw someone blackwash, no...CHANGE THE RACE of a asian character ( anime character) to black and then claim that its blasian 😨

@snrawaan7221

Жыл бұрын

They always use 'Blasian' as an excuse.

@LuckyMewo

Жыл бұрын

@@snrawaan7221 yeah 😭

“Why don’t you tell your own story with original characters?” Because they don’t actually have a creative vision and piggy-backing on an existing property is easier than taking an actual creative risk on an original work.

@realah3001

2 жыл бұрын

Being derived from something else isn’t bad until you desecrate the source material

@eatit3

2 жыл бұрын

@@realah3001 there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between being inspired/derived and full on color swapping a story someone else wrote just to fit your racial needs.

@Swindle1984

2 жыл бұрын

Because the people doing this are incompetent storytellers, and evil cannot create; it can only corrupt that which good has created.

@Dargonhuman

2 жыл бұрын

@@realah3001 That's the problem, though, most of the time the raceswapped character is already desecrating the original long before it has time to tell its own story. Occasionally you get a Mile Morales, but more often than not you get CW's Batwoman.

@witchplease9695

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dargonhuman Neither Miles or Ryan are raceswapped, they are original characters.

Basically "its our turn to be racist now". Evil. Pure pettiness. These people will never find happiness and contentment. They will never find fulfilment in their lives if not seeing characters with the same chemicals in their skin as them is their biggest problem in life. Pathetic.

@rx9837

2 жыл бұрын

True

@cyonisboxbraids

2 жыл бұрын

💯

@Grimalken1969

2 жыл бұрын

In essence, they want what you have. Is it because they aren't creative enough to make something new? Or is it just about being spiteful and petty. Is it that it's more satisfying for these angry people to take a white character and make them black or brown, for the animus and outrage it will cause, then it would be to actually create a black or brown character that fans will fall in love with? People love Luke Cage, Black Panther. they love the character Blade, not because he's black, but because he's Blade. Making Iron Man black, as a hypothetical, is not how you force people to like a black character.

@ekimaulthar2044

2 жыл бұрын

"the only cure(?) for past discrimination is present discrimination" - Ibram X. Kendi

@lazhuli5058

2 жыл бұрын

There was a comic called Dawn and there was a quote that went like “the oppressed love their oppressors because they can’t wait to become oppressors themself.” (I’m paraphrasing cus it’s been awhile) I didn’t understand it until not too long ago. I’m queer and I’ve seen a lot of the younger members of the lgbt+ advocate for violence against straight people, as though that will make up for the thousands of years of their own oppression. It’s disgusting. There’s been straight people have said and done horrible things to me but that doesn’t give me the right to return fire. I was trying to find the exact quote from Dawn through google but I found a quote from a guy named Paulo Freire instead that delivers the same sentiment; “The oppressed, instead of striving for liberation, tend themselves to become oppressors.” There’s a thing called the cycle of abuse and honestly it was seems like a widespread cycle of abuse that’s going on right now. Most of this hypocritical logic is reminiscent of what an abuse victim turned abuser would say.

If black people want representation so badly, why don't they just create media, I mean, Africa was where human life began, surely there must be a thriving art scene with authors writing captivating and magical stories for all blacks to enjoy.... right?

@xiiir838

11 ай бұрын

Because they cannot produce interesting thing outside music and sports

@raptorboss6688

5 ай бұрын

@@xiiir838 yikes bro..

@xiiir838

5 ай бұрын

@@raptorboss6688 where's the epic fantasy series from African Americans? The big screen hits, the TV masterpieces of storytelling, the successful and highly praised videogame development studio?

@raptorboss6688

5 ай бұрын

@@xiiir838 There’s plenty of amazing black artists out there, my guess is that you simply don’t look for them. If you want one of my recommendations please check out nikolas draper ivey’s stuff. He makes some amazing character designs and he even did the artwork for the black panther album :D he inspires me quite a bit.

@dbear7717

5 ай бұрын

​@@xiiir838ever heard of Jordan Peele? Grey's Anatomy? Are you 10?

you know what ticks me off? She doesn't have a bad artstyle at all, but she is not a good person.

@hope-cat4894

Жыл бұрын

The art is adorable, and I would read a webcomic with that style, but her logic is very flawed. She should just make an original character and bring that representation into the world. Lots of webcomics have been getting published nowadays.

There's a hilarious level of irony when she says, "let's boost black characters!" while citing Ariel. Instead of championing for a new, unique black character who can establish their own history, you're supporting one who essentially stole all their fame from a white character. Disney isn't changing Ariel because they're being diverse. They're changing her because it's easy and cheap. Why would in the work for a new black character with a new story when they can paint over an existing white one and use her existing fandom for easy marketing? And this "sunny" falls for it. I'm all for representation but this ain't it. Demand better from companies like Disney. Demand new princesses who are black from the onset and can be your Ariel 50 years from now.

@glanni

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is probably that there isn't anything new being created at the moment. It's also a bad part of our culture, along with all the other things you've listed. I just hope that whole "remake" bullcrap and milking of old franchises will burn out so hard that in the next decades there won't be any more remakes at all.

@admirekashiri6651

2 жыл бұрын

She doesn't know what she wants.

@GuineaPig361

2 жыл бұрын

They changed Ariel because of her actress having the singing voice for the role; it's the same reason why they cast Rachel Zegler as Snow White.

@toffee2547

2 жыл бұрын

@@GuineaPig361 🤣

@GraveyardMaiden

2 жыл бұрын

bruh I've been saying this. Like we know that disney will not be making merch of black ariel, or cast black girls to play her at the parks, it's all just gonna be the smae white charater. Ontop of that we all know disney has the cash and man power to make an actaul black princess and film staring black characters, but they are cheaping out

I always hated this double standard. It's always gos to the race, as if color means better.

@SepticArtOfficialVids

2 жыл бұрын

You didn't even watch the vid. It's only a minute

@theblackprince9487

2 жыл бұрын

@@SepticArtOfficialVids I admit I committed first. However, the issue of race is here throughout the video.

@aoofmg6684

2 жыл бұрын

Thats exactly what he complains about in the clip^^

@TallisKeeton

2 жыл бұрын

yes :) someone written to me just a few hous ago (on another video of a political topic) that as white is not a color of skin but only a lack of color in skin and this person seems to be making a = between this statement (lack of color for white) and the opinion that white people are worse than the other people. I dont understand such "logic", becouse it not logic. It seems only a kind of dogma laced with racism or racial difference. And this person seem to believe that white people dont have their culture but only imitated the cultures of color peoples. Which is IMO as ridiculous as flatearthers :D I know mostly european culture becouse I was raised in it, as Polish culture and as bigger European culture. And I dont realy know much about other culture - I mean Asians or Africans. But as far as I can know bits and pieces about their cultures - from movies, from history books, from travels, from internet, from school - I can say that there are things that I admire and respect in African cultures and in Asian cultures. But there are also those things I like better in European cultures. And there are those things I m sure that I like better in other cultures and dont like them in my own. So I dont think that person who does not know me have the right to suppose that I m racial toward anyone just becouse I want that the actors hired to play in an adaptation of my some of beloved books just looked properly - as the author of the books written their charachters :)

@caomhan84

2 жыл бұрын

I have started to ask the supporters of this what makes it better. If John Wayne as Genghis Khan was always wrong, and white actors playing Indians and Hispanics and other people of color was always wrong... Then what makes this right? Why is this somehow right? They never have any answer for it. They know if they answer "It's about time it was done to whites, it was done to us for so many years," That just makes them sound petty. So they have to think up something else, and they never can.

I just think changing someone’s race or skin tone isn’t right

@stownjam

2 жыл бұрын

@@ninabeansofficial Personally, as a hispanic, I think it's wrong, it's not your character in the first place, so why change the core aspect of something that doesn't belong to you? Moreover, if people want to racebend then whatever, go for it, however if some people racebend, like white to black, then they should definitely be alright with others racebending, like black to white. If not then they are hypocrites that don't deserve the time of day.

@MochieeeMoon

Жыл бұрын

@@stownjam Exactly, what's the point of race swapping when it doesn't add anything to the character? As a chinese, it really annoys me when people race-swaps certain characters for just representation when it doesn't even add anything to the character and it just changes the character's skin colour. Like for example Snow White in the live action (I apologise if this offends you), Disney just race-swapped her character for no reason. Also it wouldn't really make any sense to race-swap her character since she is supposed to have extremely pale skin and black as night hair. So what's really the point of race swapping. If Disney did this to mulan or some other non-white character, people be cancelling Disney immediately. But people are okay with Snow White being race-swapped.

@MochieeeMoon

Жыл бұрын

@•Cloudpetals• Exactly !

@judebaun9993

6 ай бұрын

@@ninabeansofficialif you don’t get it than mind your business.

5:47 HES GREEN! I… I’m concerned for the Black wash and white wash community. HES GREEN. LEAVE HIM ALONE!!

In my honest opinion, Blackwashing just makes these mediums less diverse. Instead of having original Black characters with depth, traits, and flaws tied to their cultural background, now we just have a bunch of tokenized characters shoved in cliché racial situations. Static Shock, Miles Morales, T'Challa, Storm, John Stewart(GL), Cyborg, are examples of how originality gives these characters so much more life.

@ghostlymelody834

2 жыл бұрын

Your so right!!! I see alot of people race bend members of the bat family and comply ignore that Duke Thomas exists. There are amazing black characters! But if people just ignore them and make the other characters black tno ones going to even see the black character

@piretiris8223

2 жыл бұрын

@@ghostlymelody834 they made Damian black in Batman: Wayne Family Adventures, even though he's literally half white/half chinese-arabic...

@apolloandwarrior_3229

2 жыл бұрын

Plus we don't need rehashing of European stories, why are there no big budget movies based of african folk tales?

@theredmistiscoming609

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe because most black characters are boring as hell? Especially when it comes to super heroes. Oh wow storm can control the weather but mainly uses lightning. Kind of like static shock, black lighting, lightning etc. miles morals is literally the black version of Superman from a different universe…. T’challa is also boring af. Most black super heroes just have super strength or some shit. There are a handful of black super heroes that are actually interesting, and by handful I mean handful, and even those are basically the black versions of white characters.

@thatboyred4042

2 жыл бұрын

That's why I thought the race swapping in the Halo show was so dumb. They swapped Captain Keyes and his daughter, Miranda Keyes (albeit, their race was never, and will never, be a fundamental aspect of their character, as is the case with most FANTASY/SCI-FI characters) when Halo possessed one of the coolest, most badass black video game characters of all time - SGT. JOHNSON, who I don't think is even in the show.

I’ve seen people get praised like “OMG SHE LOOKS SO GOOD” when someone black washes a character, but when someone whitewashes them they get shat on. Like both are bad??

@zawarudo4825

2 жыл бұрын

It really just shows the double standards. Like either both are bad or both are good. Which one is it.

@ValenMKII

2 жыл бұрын

me on this video after seeing exactly that on twitter

@itsnatyo

2 жыл бұрын

whitewashing is always done w ill intent … and blackwashing isn’t even a thing ??? do u not realize how harmful that term is for poc or ????

@zawarudo4825

2 жыл бұрын

@@itsnatyo and do you also realize how changing the already established race of a character is also harmful for poc rep or??? Like you're basically saying "you're not good enough for an original character, so you're just gonna have to ride on the back of an already popular character". Do you not realize how racist it is in itself??? And have you seen what bbc did to Joan of Arc? What they did to Carl Gustaf? Last time I checked, these historical figures were white(Joan being French, and Gustaf being Finnish)

@itsnatyo

2 жыл бұрын

@@zawarudo4825 when did i say anything about the edits bruh 💀💀 all i said what whitewashing is a really really bad thing and to compare it to smth as trivial as “blackwashing” is weird asf

I’m Hawaiian and we no body talks about us, Polynesians in general, only representation in modern media is Moana, that’s it, extremely extremely extremely rare occasion we even get featured, but in nearly every show nowadays there’s at least one black person, the blackwashing community need to understand that other people get even less representation then they do, of anything blacks may be slightly more privileged than us, but if you’re reading this, just remember that Hawaiians are real, we’re here, and there isn’t many of us, and if you’ve made it this far then thanks for reading

Aint that just blackface with extra steps?

as an artist, what pisses me off is that race swaping is NOTHING more than ART THEFT,mainly the art theft using COLOR SWAPING. like FFS Just MAKE NEW CHARS! its not that damn hard MAKE your own dang thing! don't be a nasty color swaping art theft

@KingNicotine

2 жыл бұрын

...the problem there is that they can't create new characters. If you stop to think about it...these people are obsessed with race. Now...considering it's all they're thinking about in the character...how do you create a compelling character around a single facet that is superficial? It can't be done...the character is hollow...so they subvert existing characters. Taking established things and just coloring over them is all they can do.

@sparking023

2 жыл бұрын

The reason why in many games the recolor skin is dirty cheap, is because you might as well go without it. It feels lazy unoriginal. I'm no artist, but I can imagine how frustrating it could be to see someone pass a varnish coat on your work and call theirs

@steffimaier7297

2 жыл бұрын

Not much different than those "art fixes".

@DonVigaDeFierro

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao. So they are literal Sonic OC recolors, but worse.

@ChillJoy141

2 жыл бұрын

Fellow artist here. It's aggravating enough that they steal other people's work to "fix" it, but they often do it with great conceit. As if they're a superior being and the rest of us are filth beneath their shoes. And why would they make their own thing? It would take too much time and effort to get that thing to the same level of popularity as already-existing things (that's IF they were done well, but we all know they wouldn't be) never mind the fact that these sort of people lack the creativity, skill (for most), and motivation to do so. No, it's much easier to just take someone else's work and "fix" it to meet their blatantly bigoted double standards. It's just brazen theft, and they know they'll get away with it by calling their accusers things that they aren't (because they learned, as toddlers, to get what they want by throwing tantrums and lies).

The fact that he calls whites in his drawings "colonizers" is in fact a racist insult, almost as if you were calling a Latin American an immigrant. And a Latin American speaks to them

@sofvpgn

2 жыл бұрын

ikrr

@officialmai

2 жыл бұрын

I can't say anything, as I AM an immigrant; it's not an insult, it's the truth.

@movedaccounts4008

2 жыл бұрын

@@officialmai still though, implying ALL latin americans are immigrants is racist. being an immigrant in itself isnt bad, but when you use the term to generalize an entire population, well then.. yea. im sure you know this but imo it sounded like you missed the point. sorry if im wrong lol

@officialmai

2 жыл бұрын

@@movedaccounts4008 You are... kinda. I was just saying it for myself. That's why I said *I.*

@movedaccounts4008

2 жыл бұрын

@@officialmai ah alright, sorry

8:13 can we just talk abt what black panter said?.?? Tell me you despise white ppl without telling me you despise them. 💀

This is such a well put together argument. Every time I try to argue about this people call me racist because I have light skin. I am mixed race. The majority of my family are Mexicans and if I were to go outside more, I would have the tanned skin that most of my family members have.

That last bit is absolutely right. As a black writer, I’m tired of seeing other black writers and artists make fantasy/sci-fi stories that focus on racism. Where are the sci-fi stories that are just as engaging as Star Trek or Star Wars that have black characters that won’t beat you over the head with racism, and are just there to tell a good story?

@andresanguianozuniga6798

2 жыл бұрын

Same, thats why i get frustrated with StarWars... YES we know Mace Windu is Black, but cmon its SPACE... write a cool character and thats it, like Obi Wan or Luke Skywalker are white and they are cool... But no write Finn like trash and call us racists for not Eating it.

@oduinn7948

2 жыл бұрын

You must acknowledge though that a lot of fantasy writing, regardless of authors ethnicity, tends to have very heavy racism overtones and political caste system turmoils be a forefront of their worlds. (e.g. Elves in pretty much any interpretation, they're either "superior" and super racist themselves or are the complete opposite [especially in more modern fantasy] and are seen as subhuman; Dwarves in _most_ fantasy tend to be very caste system based and more oft than not stories involving their congregations are turmoil surrounding such system, etc.) Difference is when it's well written and done properly these factors simply build the world and are not the all-encompassing story -- say having an Elf and a Dwarf have subtle interactions that nigh silently tell a deeper story while doing so in a jovial and brotherly memorable way: not like any writer could ever do that though, *_right?_* Tolkien-who?

@teamtx1578

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Having a good story is important for audiences to be able to find any character compelling. Luke Skywalker is not a compelling character because he looks like me. He's a compelling character because we see him grow from an angsty farmboy to a mature and wise Jedi Knight who was able to bring his father back from the dark side and we see the struggles he has to go through to get there. When writers obsess over race, they tend to make their characters little more than cardboard cutouts that no one can relate to.

@TheMeta141

2 жыл бұрын

@@andresanguianozuniga6798 Windu was black? (existential crisis) seriously until people starting talking about race and shit i never noticed, do we also need more Twi'lek and Neimoidian representation? why can't a character just be a character. why do we need to talk about their skin colour?

@paulghignon4092

2 жыл бұрын

The reason why these people can't write good stories is because their personality is as one dimensional as their thinking. No one likes a character who's sole personality trait is their race. They can't tell a good story because they have such an unhealthy fixation on race and politics that nothing else matters. The thing they fail to understand is 90% of the population doesn't care about race or politics.

It's a shame, she seems to have nice drawing skills, her art is cute and nicely detailed...and instead of using it to tell the stories she wants so badly to see it's wasted on a lame twitter lecture on how being a hypocrite is good if you're the one doing it.

@psycholupus5697

2 жыл бұрын

@@dimitriwarchief301 not gonna lie tho "Bleach Demon" sounds cool af

@tabithaprovan957

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, so cute! Would make a fun character in some upbeat comic in the tone (no pun intended) of Electric Girl or Franklin Richards: Son of a genius.

@kansiwiz

2 жыл бұрын

most twitter artists tbh. so much wasted talent.

@jimdandy6408

2 жыл бұрын

@@dimitriwarchief301 I mean, at least that's a step up from "mayonnaise ghoul" or "toilet-bowl people."

@moralityisnotsubjective5

2 жыл бұрын

I know. I always wanted to be a painter one day, but then I realized after years of attempting to learn how to do it that I can't really draw. At least not well enough to make a living at it and here she is squandering a natural talent because of her hate and anger towards an entire group of people.

I'd like to add on to the point of "People will make characters that are most like them and what they know", and at least for me, that's absolutely true! I have ADHD and Autism, and a lot of the characters I make have at least a few of the symptoms I have from those conditions. I also have depression, and a lot of my characters have depression. Also, I'm a white person, and a characters race means nothing when it comes to me relating to said character. The only time race is really a barrier when it comes to relating to a character is usually when a story is about racism. Obviously I'm not gonna relate much to a story about the struggles, say, a native american, faces, because I'm not native american. ALSO THERE'S MORE TO SOMEONE'S ETHNICITY THAN THEIR SKIN COLOR.

I always thought blackwashing was as bad as whitewashing. Glad someone put light to it

Her: "Maybe go through 400 years of oppression, and then we'll talk." Slavic people: The term slave is derived from the ethnonym Slav, bc in medieval wars many Slavs were captured and enslaved, which led to the word slav becoming synonym to "enslaved person". "ok"

@whynot6266

2 жыл бұрын

@@baki_222 Yeah, as a Balkan person (Albanian), I agree

@officialmai

2 жыл бұрын

Also, Africa had slaves.

@SherrifOfNottingham

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry I don't mean to be rude to Slavic people but like, the idea of a person complaining about oppression by slavery and a Slav is just standing there like Saitama going "Yeah, they named slaves after my people, but ok." Fucking Hilarious

@DayDreamingWriters

2 жыл бұрын

As Slavic Person( Polish Speficaly) Thanks for writing this, because Im freakin tired of ignorant people, who thinks only Black People went slavery. Like hello, my etnicithy have name after the Slavery they survive.

@DayDreamingWriters

2 жыл бұрын

@@SherrifOfNottingham As Slavic Person I dont think you rude right now. You just make a joke from quite hillarous sytuation.

I think you nailed it. People want every character they like to look like them, be like them and it ruins fantasy. Nobody seems willing to put themselves in the perspectives of others like a fictional character. Not everyone is a British child but we still liked Harry Potter. A great deal of the ability to put yourself in other's shoes is what has always made fantasy a great experience. Escape a little, people. We aren't elves, slaves fighting in a Coliseum or people from Mars. Does no one learn to pretend as kids anymore?

@AndrewMRoots

2 жыл бұрын

Kids nowadays just stare at their phones and iPads

@yami1389

2 жыл бұрын

People just don't kin like they used to 😔

@jan_harald

2 жыл бұрын

every character has to be a black Mary Sue! black is the ONLY acceptable color, and no other minority exists!

@SherrifOfNottingham

2 жыл бұрын

When I played Overwatch I found more representation in a large Russian lady and a thin Indian lady than I did any of the guys or "American" characters. Pretty much couldn't identify with the cowboy despite being a native Texan myself.

@Ich-Existiere-Nicht

2 жыл бұрын

Similar thing with LGBTQ+ head canons. "This character is unhappy with themselves and that's something that non - cis - people like me struggle with and I relate to them. So I just head canon them trans/non-binary etc..."! If you relate to a character then that's cool. But why does it always mean that they're in the same situation as you? If you see yourself in an character then just enjoy them instead of trying to use it as proof that they're the same sexuality as you.

"It's ok when we do it" lol what a crock

@guidomista7226

2 жыл бұрын

Im not a shoe 🦶💀

@judebaun9993

6 ай бұрын

Hypocrisy.

Man, the ending was epic. You're actually a very good writer yourself.

"It's unfair that we were forced to identify with non-black characters" "If you can't like and relate to characters when we make them black you're racist!" (even though that's not even why most people don't like them)

@jmgonzales7701

2 жыл бұрын

Also why is representation always about black?( no disrespect) but we asians are mostly the ones not being represented. But you barely hear us complain..

@SaanWukong

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmgonzales7701 Don't even get me started when they take Anime Characters and make them black with this exact same logic just cause they have pale skin. It's disgusting, plain and simple

@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmgonzales7701 , outside of Mortal Kombat 4 and Mortal Kombat X Japanese and Chinese people despise each other in all media that’s even been made, but yet you don’t see Asians bitching and moaning to needing more media where Chinese and Japanese people don’t despise each other because more people care about a well written story than the characters themselves.

@shanenolan8252

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmgonzales7701 im not America or black, yes i have almost never seen myself on screen. I watch movies and tv , frome the United states, United kingdom, France, Spain, Italy, japan , korea, China and Australia. ( none of them are me but i love them and don't complain about representation) its art not a representative form of government. You dont need to be female to watch pretty women or mean girls . Any its simple race and gender sawps are wrong,

@Brandelwyn

2 жыл бұрын

@@shanenolan8252 arguably its better not even to see yourself on screen at all than get the same treatment as us. Were always the bad guys or traitors or alcoholics, and when actors try to use our language, my ears bleed >_

"Maybe go through 400 years of oppression, and then we'll talk." Irishman whose entire people were subject to 800 years of colonization and tyranny by the world's most powerful empire: "Cute".

@torch_fire9218

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting thing is none of you personally lived those years. Taking on the historical oppression of people who are not you as your own is one of the dumbest things. My ancestors had oppression against them, but I am not them, so I do not deserve some kind of justice for those crimes.

@RGSMANIA

2 жыл бұрын

@@torch_fire9218 Brit here, honestly the stuff between us and Ireland isn't ancient history. The building I'm sat in right now had its windows blown out by a IRA bomb about 20 years ago. I get your overarching point about not taking on historical oppression but just pointing out it's not as historic as you might think.

@elongatedmanforever1252

2 жыл бұрын

Can we just agree every race gets shit on sometimes & call it a day, I swear these people just want to self victmize it's cancer.

@elongatedmanforever1252

2 жыл бұрын

@@torch_fire9218 that's what irritates me is how some black people act like all black people have the same experience, that's a insult.

@torch_fire9218

2 жыл бұрын

@@RGSMANIA Events within the lifetimes of people are much more understandable. The comments though were specifically about centuries of oppression -- about people who are long dead, and thus, taking on crimes against your ancestors as crimes against you personally, which is wrong and stupid.

Blackwashing is just bad as whitewashing. I mean racism goes in both ways that's all no need to use "history" or something like that as an excuse. [My opinion]

@MochieeeMoon

Жыл бұрын

Facts! Also changing a character race doesn't do anything, if people really want representation then look at other character's from that specific culture or just create an OC.

People think just having a character that is black is always good. But they miss the whole point of representation. A good representation is making an original character who are poc. When it is original, the artist can add in cultural clothes, different personalities, etc. Stealing a character’s race and changing them into poc is not representation. It is just changing someone’s race. Thats it. They aren’t putting in the work to actually think of a design for a black individual. They aren’t thinking of unique characteristics of the black character at all. People who do this don’t actually care about wanting to add more black people, instead they just want the bad kind of attention and want to make themselves feel like heroes.

I'll never forget when they made Queen Anne Boleyn black recently in a historical show, myself and literally anybody who questioned it was called racist and made to feel like we were somehow the problem. If they can push race swapping real historical figures then fictional characters don't stand a chance, no matter how illogical it is.

@erynlasgalen1949

2 жыл бұрын

That was kind of ridiculous when you consider that Anne Boleyn gave birth to the gingerest ginger that ever sat the throne of England, Elizabeth I.

@GravityRavenYT

2 жыл бұрын

@@erynlasgalen1949 Considering how many ginger and red-haired characters have been race-swapped to black characters, it's almost as if she was targeted exclusively for that, it's honestly horrible.

@oduinn7948

2 жыл бұрын

Or Jarl Haakon, they made him a black woman that was all about inclusion and welcoming despite him being a pretty proud and loyal nationalist to his people and faith. And y'know, a dude.

@insertnamehere5809

2 жыл бұрын

Why race swap Anne Boleyn? They do realize she got her head chopped off!

@ericjohnson7234

2 жыл бұрын

its by design. Its about destruction

4:45 Yes, this is the problem. Identifying with a character who isn't your race is a GOOD thing. It makes it clear that we all have the same emotions and can empathize with the experiences of others as long as they basically have a human mind (the human mind is what makes them relatable, not their skin).

@missingdiamond6676

2 жыл бұрын

People need to understand that the point of media and shows is that you can relate to characters or people who don't look like you. If your unable to see yourself or relate to another person just because their not the same race as you your a narcissist.

@orenmontgomery8250

2 жыл бұрын

@@missingdiamond6676 or a psychopath.

@orenmontgomery8250

2 жыл бұрын

@@evancavalier647 absolutely, but they refuse. They can't create, only corrupt.

@andresanguianozuniga6798

2 жыл бұрын

@@evancavalier647 dude, don't forget they need to be coherent on context, if the character its good but on context its Forced all that good character goes to hell.

@Zeburaman2005

2 жыл бұрын

@@orenmontgomery8250 Pathological narcissists aren’t that different from psychopaths, since neither views other people as human beings but as things. The main difference, even though I am no specialist, is that the narcissist needs the attention of the humanoid playthings and therefore won’t permanently dispose of them.

Beastboy "He is black", "He is white" Me: "He is green"

"Because if those things are loved...and they look like us...then we'll be loved too." This line broke me. I don't think I'm ever gonna forget that line. Nobody should ever go through life feeling this way. But the truth is some people do and you're speaking that truth, even if it hurts.

@Otome_chan311

Жыл бұрын

I've been feeling that way lately. 0 representation in western media can do that to you. I'm white lmfao. No real western media with feminine, brown haired, white women. Can't really name any big movie in recent years with such a character. Let alone one that's trans.

As a black dude who is tired of shitty race swaps, let me add my two cents: it's not a good look when the first response isn't to create something new, but to steal what's already there.

@datgamerian

2 жыл бұрын

doing what the actual colonizers did (figuratively, of course), taking something that isn't theirs and claiming it as part of their own culture

@revimfadli4666

2 жыл бұрын

>steal I see what you did there lol

@saymyname2417

2 жыл бұрын

@@datgamerian - Where is Tolkien, GRRM, Sanderson, who not black?! Not "theirs"?! What you want is not just cultural appropriation but cultural identity theft on a global level.

@AG-fg1uk

2 жыл бұрын

@@datgamerian Why are you blaming black people? You do realize that it's white Hollywood exes who are the ones calling the shots. They decide to "black wash characters" instead of green lighting new projects developed by black creators

@witchplease9695

2 жыл бұрын

When they make new characters people call it forced diversity so what are we supposed to do?

I'm black and a 80s kid. Growing up I never cared what the characters looked like just what they do. Man, I wanted to be Wolverine (my poor sister can attest to that after a scissor incident) and then I found Wonder Woman which stopped after I thought taking my Step dads belt and trying to swing from a tree (edit)was a good idea. (the tree was unharmed me however...). Stop putting race into things that are supposed to be fun and cool.

@doogus8728

2 жыл бұрын

I wish people united under their humanity, and not their ideologies or cultures.

@chethammer

2 жыл бұрын

Really glad I wasn't drinking a coke when I read about your "scissor" incident and your fall from grace. Funny stuff.

@dubiouscloud5115

2 жыл бұрын

@@doogus8728 I can't wait for the day when people stop doing things like blackwashing because people simply DON'T CARE what a person's race is.

@astridmustikasyamsuri6207

2 жыл бұрын

"the tree was unharmed" I am amazed you're thoughtful enough to the tree :"))))

@malawisupasoldier7478

2 жыл бұрын

Scissor incident, the original trollge

“Instead of changing a character’s race, make a new one that’s interesting and well-written like Miles Morales for example.” Nooo, they can’t do that. That requires effort and putting work in, and people don’t like doing work, that’s hard. Writing isn’t supposed to be hard, writing’s supposed to be easy. That’s why the LOTR trilogy are some of the best stories of all time, ‘cause those were really easy to write. The complexities of Aragorn’s backstory and how it relates to the lore of the rest of the world, probably only took 5 minutes.

The worst part is that this is quite literally racism, but they just pretend it isn't.

The answer is RIGHT THERE in their face and they refuse to acknowledge it. And I've been saying this for years: Push for adaptations of African folklore and mythology. Push for adaptations of Middle Eastern folklore and mythology. Push for adaptations of South American folklore and mythology As a Jew of mostly European descent I would love to see more of these stories and have more actual diversity in our media.

@clogs4956

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, please! As an amateur comparative mythologist, I endorse your call. However, there's a caveat: must be the original story and not some Woke 'adaptation' or 'interpretation'. I see your Mahabharata and raise you one Kalevala!

@spartanonxy

2 жыл бұрын

Heck a show similar to supernatural but set with a gruff stereotypical veteran cop born and raised in Africa and a wide eyed newbie on a joint training of some kind from Europe or America would be a good idea. You would get a stark contrast as the veteran cop has dealt with the supernatural of African myths and folklore while the newbie has not. And unlike vampires or other European myths has absolutely no grounding to help them deal with the idea these things would be real. It would have potential to tell a truly interesting story and get people interested. I remember when I first saw the Wendigo in Supernatural. It surprised me as I had never heard of one so I looked into it and found it fascinating and helped start my interest in some of the creepier Native American myths.

@thefirefades2265

2 жыл бұрын

Won’t happen, people are to lazy to do actual research. Plus none of those other folklores sell as well as European stuff does. I remember several books about Inca myth being made and none of those books sold well. Despite the readers actually liking the story. Same thing with black sands. A collection of books based around African myth but no one buys them. It’s sad really, people only care about European stuff and Japanese stuff because of anime.

@AdirondackRuby

2 жыл бұрын

That would take intelligence, ingenuity, creativity, and effort. They want instant gratification.

@bumblingbureaucrat6110

2 жыл бұрын

The reason they don't do this is because not a single one of those people pushing for diversity have any interest in the rich folklore and history of Africa.

I think as an Asian, it's especially hard to speak up about racebending and blackwashing and whitewashing. I see Asian characters blackwashed all the time, and see Black characters being whitewashed too, and both make me equally as uncomfortable! Racebending should not be seen as good one way but bad the other, it's hypocritical. I wish people put that energy into creating new original POC characters, rather than taking away something from an already existing character that makes them them. You made a great video on the matter, saying what needs to be said and using your platform to share it! I appreciate you speaking up when others aren't able to or are too afraid to! I've gone ahead and subscribed, looking forward to more of your videos!

@ploopy6160

2 жыл бұрын

i agree, and when people have said stuff like "oh heres some poc media you can support instead!! theyre not really well known either" they get so defensive as if you're 'blaming them' for something? "are you seriously blaming me for poc media not being popular? go watch it yourself" when its like no im not blaming them? but if theyre not watching the media while simultaneously saying stuff like "poc media needs to be more popular!!" and doing things like racebending characters and NOT watching the media, then yeah im gonna blame them 💀 they want poc media to be popular but then not even watch it themselves

@Noahed_

2 жыл бұрын

My opinion is that blackwashing comes off as lazy and insincere. As you mentioned, they'd rather change one trait about an existing character instead of actually coming up with their own unique characters. It feels like they have a mental checklist of things that "come off as diversity/representation" or in short, pretending to care. Also, for people who talk against racism a lot, they seem to care way too much about race than those they berate. It may just be me thinking this, though.

@wingdingfontbro

2 жыл бұрын

In short we really shouldn't change other people's work. We can't just change the Mona Lisa to Johnny Depp and just say "it's better this way". The Mona Lisa is the Mona Lisa, Beastboy is Beastboy and no one else because any change makes them a completely different and separate character. A cat is a cat until you make it purple, then it's whatever the hell you just made it.

@1llvmi

2 жыл бұрын

same!! couldnt agree more. but then a dude called me racist for disagreeing with the justification of raceswapping [specifically blackwashing] which is... funny nonetheless

@p40v1der13

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you

I kinda hate when some black people act like they were the only ones who were opressed even though theres many other cultures and races that were way before

Redheads getting screwed over the years.

if you need someone to look like you in order to feel "represented", you have self-esteem issues that need sorting out, get therapy.

@andresanguianozuniga6798

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, this is not about representation... This now its Just about narcissism.

@Zeburaman2005

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neillan Nah, they self-diagnose 10 times a day, at the very least, to make sure all their imaginary insecurities and mental illness are still there to net them oppression points. They’ll be fine.🤣

@RH_Collective

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingj9664 those characters were built from the ground up. Also characters made back then differentiate from those of present; they weren't made to fill a racial quota unlike today's political climate.

@OmegaZyion

2 жыл бұрын

If you need someone to look like you in order identify with them, you are definitely a racist.

@AdirondackRuby

2 жыл бұрын

Too true. Growing up wearing glasses, I never saw people with glasses portrayed as anything other than goofy/nerdy/dorky. All those teen movies where the geek girl gets a "make over" to become the beautiful stunner...all by simply removing her glasses. Did it make me cry? Did it make me rage? Did it make me want to break my glasses? No. Because I didn't let fiction define me. I didn't need to see myself, nor did I hitch my self-esteem to the "representation" that was provided.

When Black Panther came out in South Africa, people dressed up in their traditional wear to go watch the movie. This, in a country where traditional wear isn't really just a thing that people wear nonchalantly. It was a good example of how having characters that look like you matter. That being said, I'd rather have new characters than blackwashed characters. That way you can design characters with actual nuance rather than having them be this generic mould where their physical design actually means nothing.

@CuppaLLX

2 жыл бұрын

not to mention that when you pour black ink into the white mold they invariable then try and change the mold to "show case black culture." or trans culture, or lgbt cuture or whatever tick bock their goign for. So yopu change their race, their family life, their hardships, etc...but you kepo the name...depsite it being litterally a totally differeent person at this point

@thelordz33

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, that is after black people in South Africa committed genocide on their white population so I don't particularly care about appeasing them

@DragonDestiny

2 жыл бұрын

The truth is, we don't care about what colour of your skin (we're the one who didn't have the racis in our mind) If Black Panther is white I still watch it, but you guy won't love him and I don't get to understand you because you won't let us to do it. If you want a black Batman or a black Ironman you have to make us love him, like him...whatever the way how you did. Black, white, gender... it doesn't matter.

@SnowyJakub

2 жыл бұрын

Miles Morales is a good example, they didn't just take Peter Parker and turn him black. He's one of the most beloved Marvel characters and probably the 2nd most loved and well known spider man next to Peter, because he isn't just black Peter, he's Miles Morales

@IVPixel

2 жыл бұрын

>dressing up for some capeshit garbage written by 2 jews How sad

The whole "go through 400 years of oppression then talk" doesn't make any sense? as someone whos blasian i get super confused when they say stuff like that, we do face racism but its not even CLOSE to what our ancestors had to face and using that as a excuse to erase other poc is a SLAP to the face of the struggle they went through. its kinda like me saying "you were punched! i was poked! were basically on the same level!" i imagine if they saw what they were saying they would be furious for using their pain for others petty arguments.

I never understood why they don’t represent black heritage. Their stories. Theres proabably so much for eg. african native stories that haven’t been adapted. It would be entertaining for everyone and the diversity hired would be natural

@username_creates6991

5 ай бұрын

Also I find theres more diverse and natural characters in 90s cartoons then anywhere else. I recently watched Atlantis and was shocked how well the representation was. I mean I felt like nothing was around the race. A black women happened to be a mechanic, a black man was a doctor… it was good at least to me.

People when a white character is blackwashed: :D People when a black character is whitewashed: >:O People when straight characters are shipped into gay relationship: :D People when a gay character is shipped into a straight relationship: >:O The last two are not related to the video but it's very similar though.

@gayema664

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree I rather it be new characters. It's fine if it's a parody or idea. It's just hypocritical with all this racebending. Relationships are abit different as long as the chemistry is right I don't mind it being anything or changed.

@umbrellaunderdog

Жыл бұрын

the argument is that they're fictional characters not defied by any race/gender/sexuality the core of the character is still there. Race swapping historical people or characters who are defined by their race is what we should be upset over. Examples: Superman isn't defied by his race he's an alien. Ariel is a mermaid not a real life species she's only identified as white by others not defined by being white since no attention was brought to her skin color in the story. Tim Drake isn't defined by his race and has been hinted at for years that he was bi. Historical real people are based on well real people so they should be properly represented. They aged up Pocahontas and sexualized her when in real life she was 12 and human trafficked. Snow White is defined by her skin colour since it's in the fairytale "her skin was white as snow." Black Panther is another exception because of the character heavily is defined by his race/culture.

@Halfort57

Жыл бұрын

@@umbrellaunderdog I... I won't even tell you the first thing that's wrong with your "argument"...

@animagkrasver9872

Жыл бұрын

The thing with last two is, 99% of time we don't know if character is straight or gay. Homophobes tend to assume that character is straight by default, especially if they had straight relationship. So when authors/shippers show gay content with character they go inrage and say that "eww stop this he's hetero" and vice versa with gay into a straight, people assume character is gay when they had like one gay relationship. And other orientations at that moment: *Sadness and Sorrow from Naruto plays*

@gwjsbm

Жыл бұрын

You can add gender swapping in there too

Solve racism with... more racism and helping people to become hyper aware of everyone's skintone and judge people based off of their skintone Great job, internet ^^

@elh305

2 жыл бұрын

People do , often times, fuck their own shit up, real fuckin good without any help at all. However, on this one, global entities fostering the downfall of American society have been engaging full-on psychological warfare, for a minute. They infiltrate already 'fervored' groups, and just push 'a bit more' in the direction they were already headed to begin with. Fear of being ostracized by said group, does the rest.

@celtichound9889

2 жыл бұрын

If you listen closely you can hear Martin Luther King spinning in his grave.

@JustBuyTheWaywardsRealms

2 жыл бұрын

Men their thinking is probably like "In the past my people where enslaved and discriminated by white man, so let's do the opposite now"

@user-pg1iw5je7p

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustBuyTheWaywardsRealms white people dont face racism lmao im sorry to break ur bubble

@kittencutie7074

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustBuyTheWaywardsRealms ah yeah... many problem comes from just seeking "revenge" (to the wrong person) and then they find a way to try to normalize that.

Her: Maybe go through 400 years of oppression and then we'll talk. Me: My people the Irish already hit 800. I was actually alive for part of it. Now please stop with this rules for thee but not for me bullshit.

Honestly lets just unanimously agree that washing any character into any race they werent to prove an agenda is just bad all around. You want to send a certain message? Dont manipulate others messages in their art to prove yours, its unoriginal and ignorant. Create new characters that dont make the color of their skin or sexuality their whole story or personality. Sure race and orientation can be important, but to the extent hollywood portrays it is absolutely absurd

@justakoolaiddust5197

6 ай бұрын

you dropped this pookie 👑

Popo isn't based off of black people. He's based off of Asian depictions of the Buddha which have jet black skin. It's considered a divine blessing. For example, many Japanese people viewed Yasuke as some kind of man blessed by the Buddha due to his dark skin. The problem with a lot of Social Justice takes on non-western culture is that they ironically apply their own cultural biases to a foreign culture they don't understand, and ignore the voices of those people when they speak up. See also; casting ScarJo as Motoko in Ghost in the Shell and the reaction to that versus how it was perceived by the creator himself and Asian people broadly.

@shirothr5384

2 жыл бұрын

There is officer black, which isn't the best thing. But Dragon ball has moved on from them so at least we probably won't get anything like that again.

@itsClaptrap

2 жыл бұрын

"Mythology and Folklore be damned, it's my turn to be racist now."

@phatpat63

2 жыл бұрын

There are lots of statues of temple guardian spirits that look exactly like Mr. Popo at Buddhist temples all over China and Japan. Every time I see Popo used in this context I'm screaming at the screen because he's not even human! No more than king Yama or king Kai or Kami are human. Jesus Christ.

@kyletimmons2940

2 жыл бұрын

@@shirothr5384 "There is officer black, which isn't the best thing." What are you talking about? Officer Black was a pretty good character, as far as Dragon Ball goes anyway. Tactical, Intelligent, serious, and skilled enough to be a (moderate) threat to Goku; he made for a good final boss for the arc. Sure, he got a little cartoony after proclaiming himself "Commander" Black, but not bad by any means.

@renevil2105

2 жыл бұрын

Yasuke was just slightly darker cause he is Filipino but he is just a myth since there is no record of him in the demon king army.

I love Cyborg, he's one of the most inspiring characters from Teen Titans. I remember him overcoming his restrictions when it came to his cybernetics, he thought he couldn't overcome them but he broke his limit and won. He's an inspiring character and it's a shame that people ignore him, he's one of the best characters in the show.

@choco_L8

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, it sucks to see people fighting over the race of BB and Starfire when you already have a powerful black character literally fighting alongside them.

@CuppaLLX

2 жыл бұрын

or that episode with the robot that wanted to remove all his organics, or the episode where he laments how he can't be normal because of his cybernetics. Guys a walking allegory for being disabled and never feeling whole and the fear of loosing what little is left of you

@MrPonytron

2 жыл бұрын

I loved that scene where the kid with the prosthetic arm looked at Cyborg and said, "We're the same!" Powerful stuff right there

@imjust_a

2 жыл бұрын

Back in the day, as a kid, I probably would've said Beast Boy was my favorite character... Nowadays I think I'd definitely say Cyborg is my favorite. And I'm a scrawny white dude. He's just an extremely well written character, the kind that anyone -- regardless of race -- can root for.

@batsardcat3285

2 жыл бұрын

The 200% power moment gave me chills

Such good points were made in this video. I think that no character of any race should be switched for "representation". People who want more diversification should help to create it.

If people want more black characters they can just write their own stories with their own characters It's that simple But I wouldn't be surprised if the characters only trait was their race😂