Amazon Studios: "If you don't like the show you are a bigot" The entire Lord Of The Ring fanbase: "So you have chosen, death."

@somedandy7694

2 жыл бұрын

"You...have elected, the way of...PAIN!"

@HyperMoeMan

2 жыл бұрын

also the entire Lord of the Rings fanbase: Do not expect any mercy from us.

@SoldierSpiderx

2 жыл бұрын

@@HyperMoeMan fact

@Thomasmemoryscentral

2 жыл бұрын

@@HyperMoeMan Funny enough Benioff and Weiss creating and original stories didnt have to happen. Thomas & Friends with S3 back in 1991 proved it is possible to do original stories that are good enough in a tv adaptation of a book series.

@cdgolem

2 жыл бұрын

They screwed themselves with the wheel of time series too.

Ah, Galadriel. Older than the sun, she's learned magic directly from the gods. Amazon makes her look like college freshman who hasn't quite outgrown her "angry teen" phase.

@gravitatemortuus1080

2 жыл бұрын

I know she would be like 4,000 years old by this time. But there making her look like a young brash person.

@VarjoPira

2 жыл бұрын

ReLaTaBiLiTy.

@richardrose2606

2 жыл бұрын

I call her Bubblegum Girl. Like, radical. The short-haired, black elf is called Don LemonElf.

@Whitby_Abbeys_Ghost

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardrose2606 I call her Gino Galadriel In Name Only.

@cb_norwood

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. I can't add anything to that.

“Subversion of expectations” is a fancy way of saying “disappointing the audience.”

@connorbrown7455

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha love this comment. So underrated.

@squaeman_2644

Жыл бұрын

Or propoganda

@JesterForHire1663

Жыл бұрын

When I hear that phrase from someone working on expanding someone else's work, I hear "We're just gonna substitute our far inferior fan fiction for everything people loved about the original work. In fact, you're going to wonder why we even spent the money to buy the original IP."

Amazon: “It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like.” Sure, so why not drop a couple of Teslas in it too?

@FirstLast-hd4oe

2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see Galadriel rocking some Nikes

@robertmiles1603

Жыл бұрын

What the world looks like to a lunatic.

@Meidoification

Жыл бұрын

Truly an asinine piece of logic if I ever heard one. WHO'S world, exactly? Not Tolkien's! This is simply plagiarism with self-centered insertion.

@orion19d25

Жыл бұрын

Add a couple of trans characters...

The funny thing is they've pissed off everyone. People have been typing evil can only destroy in several languages from all over the globe. It's beautiful

@toothgrinder2760

2 жыл бұрын

"Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” J.R.R. Tolkien

@ainsleyharriot6060

2 жыл бұрын

It's great seeing something so hated make everyone come together

@roukerasati9611

2 жыл бұрын

Hell, even on left-leaning social media where you'd think they'd praise it to high heaven, I've seen people beyond furious at how this dumpster fire doesn't follow the lore, respect the characters, or anything. They stole from a dragon's hoard, and now are going to get it.

@MALICEM12

2 жыл бұрын

The solidarity is nice, but the phrase is over used and misapplied on many things.

@OneTrueVikingbard

2 жыл бұрын

@@MALICEM12 or maybe it’s not overused at all, and needs to be repeated until we stop with all this deconstruction nonsense. Here’s another quote to that effect: “He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.”

Why we loved the Jackson films and hate this rubbish: Amazon: “It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like.” Peter Jackson: "We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies.

@mikestanmore2614

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely.

@Patrick-qed

2 жыл бұрын

Jackson replaced Glorfindel with Arwen in the movie to have more screen time of female characters.

@mikestanmore2614

2 жыл бұрын

@@Patrick-qed Yes, an excellent choice to expand an existing character and give weight to the romance between her and Aragorn. However, he also included whatever the female elf character was in the Hobbit, which was one of many missteps in that rendition.

@thegladstone88

2 жыл бұрын

The Wokes always made everything about race, gender, and sexual orientations. They put the "message" above the content of the art. There has been too much of these. They literally use same methods for every franchises they can buy. No originality, no soul, just corrupting any established work-of-art for quick cash-grabbing and political correctness. People all around the world are already sick and tired of these disgusting wokeness narratives. The solution is simple. REJECT this wokeness political brainwashing. REFUSE to pay and watch. Make them taste their own poison and make them pay good fortune for it.

@ilnicorvo1411

2 жыл бұрын

🔥🔥🔥

Who are these people who think we can't be inspired by or identify with characters that don't look exactly like us? As a mexican woman, I felt perfectly fine watching Jackson's trilogy and it never bothered me that they were all white. They were supposed to be white. If I want to see myself then I pick up a mexican book or watch a mexican movie, or bask at the glory of a new mexican inspired anime. This is the work of a writer, not your playground for yelling virtue signaling. That's what has bothered me, always, about adaptations. For me, the words of the creator are paramount. If he says that this race is blue with white eyes, I sure as hell expect to see an actor spray painted blue. For me, the main virtue in stories are not analogies or moral compasses. It's escapism. The creation of new worlds.

@user-yo5yr9yr2h

2 жыл бұрын

I just want to chime in because I want people reading your comment to know that this person does not speak for all POC. I love the original LOTR but as an Indian woman I was extremely sad to see that the only brown representation in those movies be for the villainous clans of people that sided with Sauron. Better representation is 100% something middle earth could do with. Skin color doesn't affect plot unless it's a plot about skin color, which this universe is not.

@ss900f3

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-yo5yr9yr2h it has been years since I read the Silmarillion so I could be mistaken @just some guy could correct me or tell this better (the lore is strong with this one) but if I remember correctly, these "Villainous clans" came from the East and the south. they are not wholly evil at least not from the start, Sauron spent a good part of the second age seducing and or conquering these people (after all Sauron was the great seducer) just like the Numenoreans some welcomed the evil some fought it. we know the Numenoreans traded with the peoples of Middle Earth and most certainly had dealings with these peoples. I just didn't want you to think Tolkien meant for these people to be evil to the core. the sad thing is, this would have been a perfect opportunity for Amazon to introduce literally boatloads of diverse woman and men, perhaps, escaping Sauron's influence? it would have been lore friendly and made sense. plus, then anyone complaining would actually likely be an "ist" of one form or another.

@jilliancrawford7577

2 жыл бұрын

It's kind of narcissistic or even sociopathic for these people to say they can't sympathize/empathize with and relate to someone who isn't just like them. Plus if you swap around dynamics as we saw with the guy who did the Turning Red review, they're offended if someone doesn't identify with/relate to the things they like. I'm sure I'd be called a racist white person if I said I can't relate to/sympathize with a character of color.

@kendrafrederick3957

2 жыл бұрын

That's legit. My thing is that Amazon changed core facts of this world, but could've introduced a new opportunities. Bring along the areas from which middle earth in cinematic has yet to see. Show how incredible those characters can be. We lond got new and staying true to the author's adaptation while adding with now I believe is the coolest way to continue LOTR!

@UnwrittenSpade

2 жыл бұрын

The people that do that are the woke left, I don’t wanna get political but the woke people constantly say “black people cant stand up for themselves” or on your case a Mexican woman, then they say anyone who doesn’t think their way is racist, I’m not far right at all but I’ll never be woke left either ugh! Good for you for speaking up too

_"There are certainly themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyse what was important to Tolkien and to try to honour that. In a way, we're trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves."_ -Peter Jackson, Interview with GreenCine (Dec. 2002)

@melfree2545

2 жыл бұрын

And that is why, even though the movies deviate from the books, they are so good. People who love Tolkien can tell that there was respect and love for the original work there. They know the beloved story is in good hands from the very beginning of Fellowship of the Ring.

@tinamoul

2 жыл бұрын

Except Tolkien's books are full of his politics, so what are you on about?

@melfree2545

2 жыл бұрын

@@tinamoul Jackson specifically said, “we weren’t going to put any of OUR OWN politics… into these movies.” He said nothing about Tolkien’s politics because it is Tolkien’s work. Of course his politics and biases are in it. They wanted to keep the spirit of the book in the movies and even the most hardcore book fans can admit that he did so successfully.

@johnellis5865

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Peter Jackson did a very good job of honoring the original books and not putting in trendy personal politics, making characters "Gay", preaching about global warming etc. I have some differences with PJ interpretations - the extended version DVDs are better than the theatrical release which cut out the death of Sauraman. These movies were well cast especially Aragorn, Boromor, Gandalf and Sauraman.

“There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers

@paulmurgatroyd6372

2 жыл бұрын

And as soon as this is a smash hit, Amazon will be making diverse movies about Vikings. There are so many diverse people in Norse mythology you would hardly believe it...

@Tarnbar

2 жыл бұрын

That leaves us with Dwarfish! :D

@ben5056

2 жыл бұрын

Chad treebeard

@k2k4

2 жыл бұрын

I can think of a few!

@togucvinw7

2 жыл бұрын

I was shooked as a kid when that Ent elder said that line , it really conveyed how he was beyond anger against that bastard Saruman (my feelings exactly when I saw the trailer for this new Lord of the suffering : Power of wokeness)

"There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery."

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

2 жыл бұрын

We need to speak in Mordor.

@darthXreven

2 жыл бұрын

only the black tongue would be adequate to express such outrage but none dare use it for it's foulness is terrible to hear.... Galdalf: I speak black tongue... please oh grey one don't...oh gods the sound

@ArnoldoRangel

2 жыл бұрын

You sir win the internets.

@alantaylor6691

2 жыл бұрын

Haha of all the quotes people have put forth for this series, that is the most apt. Perfect call lol.

Agree with everything you said - can reduce it all to "why the fuck is she wearing Gondorian armor? No elf would ever wear that, Galadriel most of all"

"This bitch has been holding a grudge for 1300 years?" That delivery was just perfect.

"There was a book?" -- J.J.Abram's little minions

@mardigrasw

2 жыл бұрын

😆

@jasonsimpkins7777

2 жыл бұрын

This needs many more likes.

@VarjoPira

2 жыл бұрын

"There were _books?!"_

@sergueileonardoafonin7950

2 жыл бұрын

We DidN'T HaVe AnY MAteRiaL To WoRK WitH!

I'm so glad you said the same thing i've been saying for years "Peter jackson's trilogy is so good that not even Peter Jackson could follow it" lol

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

2 жыл бұрын

Hobbit was not his fault, studio forced him to make a trilogy of one book and include love triangle. plus he had very short time.

@grejsancoprative

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p it just point out what, was it Elijah who said it; that Lord Of The Rings was the last big movie where the director and producer had full control over what they were creating. Ie you couldn't make a new LOTR today even if you wanted to, with how many hands there are in the production today.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

2 жыл бұрын

@@grejsancoprative Last big movie like that was Revenge of the Sith, I think.

@VarjoPira

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda hard to match the quality, when 1) he didn't want to direct The Hobbit trilogy in the first place, and 2) he was called in at the last second and 3) the studio stretched the amount of films from two to three. The Hobbit lacked many of the pre-production qualities that enabled LotR to become what it is. Yes, they were able to re-use some assets - but it's hardly the same thing. Do NOT blame it all on Jackson.

@Bowiiihowdy

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p well he didn't really seem to have his heart in it.

I remember a quote from Jackson before Fellowship came out. It's what made me dare to hope this adaptation might actually be good... He said, paraphrasing from memory... That he was adapting some of the greatest books ever written. His job, as a director, was to get out of Tolkien's way and let that story come through. Which is advice for anyone adapting Tolkien's work: simply get out of his way

"We will cast your show aside lest we be corrupted." Well spoken. I am not even going to touch that nonsense ..

Tolkien may be gone but his words are as immortal as his story, “Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.”

@tjroelsma

2 жыл бұрын

But is it really evil or more total hubris? These people have openly stated that they like the world Tolkien created but that he couldn't write for sh**. They've almost literally stated "WE are going to write the stories Tolkien couldn't write."

@Sally-lw5fy

2 жыл бұрын

I won't give any judgement until this drama is released.

@oceanberserker

2 жыл бұрын

@@tjroelsma There's a difference between the two? Evil and hubris, I mean?

@SergioLeonardoCornejo

2 жыл бұрын

Those words have been echoing with every franchise the disease comsumed, and now the rot took Tolkien's work.

@MALICEM12

2 жыл бұрын

Oh the irony of that statement given all the moralizing we did to get Germans whist happily taking their inventions...

These people need to understand no one cares what they think, we only care what Tolkien wrote.

@paulharris8539

2 жыл бұрын

​ @oky go away, spam bot. Stop posting your bad videos onto unrelated videos for attention.

@paulharris8539

2 жыл бұрын

​ @oky go away, spam bot. Stop posting your bad videos onto unrelated videos for attention.

@doikleberry

2 жыл бұрын

Yea exactly, we only care what Tolkien thought

@marychocolatefairy

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they don't understand that they have to prove themselves. They think we should like their work because we like Tolkein's, which is just ridiculous.

@swagromancer

2 жыл бұрын

Seeing as how many people are repeating the same fake quote and are making claims that are supported by nothing in Tolkien's lore - I have to disagree. People don't care what Tolkien actually wrote. They don't even know what he wrote. They care about what they _think_ they know about Tolkien's writing.

The only question that needs to be asked is "Would Tolkien approve of this?". The obvious answer is no.

@Charizardlison

2 жыл бұрын

he wouldnt have approved the pj films either.. but ofc you have a point

@PierreLucSex

2 жыл бұрын

The obvious anwser is : you are children

@eleveneleven572

2 жыл бұрын

@@fvefve12 Who are you to say that the estate is following Tolkien's wishes? Any understanding of Tolkien would say that he would not approve of the butchering of his works. You've made a ridiculous argument.

@jilliancrawford7577

2 жыл бұрын

It's probably why they're doing it. We saw the do it with Stan Lee and wait for him to die to kick their art up to up to eleven. I know Tolkien has been gone for a while but my point is that they wait to deface.

This is what studios feared when Peter Jackson was going around begging someone to help make the films. The studios were afraid that LoTR would end up looking and feeling exactly like this. I love Lord of the Rings but the story behind Peter Jackson made the movie is even better like how he had every single piece perfectly fall into place like how they fired the original Aragorn actor pretty much at the last minute and had to recast Viggo, a basically unknown and the only reason he took the role because his son was a huge fan of LoTR. Also how Sean Connery turned down the role and Ian McKellen got the part, and really so much more. It's incredible to believe such an incredible number of miracles took place to make LoTR into what it became. If you told me Eru himself was the one guiding everything into place, I'd believe you. This show however? Is just pieced together by a bunch of brain dead idiots with no respect whatsoever to the lore. If you're a real fan, DO NOT watch this crap, don't let Amazon think it's okay. Don't give them the viewing numbers.

@furryfury.

2 жыл бұрын

I already pledged not to watch it. I also plan to take the train to Oxford and cry at Tolkien’s grave.

@Slaphappy1975

2 жыл бұрын

I cancelled my subscription after they cancelled The Expanse and destroyed The Wheel of Time.

@Gnomleif

2 жыл бұрын

I noped out the minute they starte showing the "diverse" hobbits and dwarves, knowing they had _two fucking continents_ worth of actually diverse characters in the form of the Haradrim and Easterlings. But making that work required actual talent, and by now it's pretty clear they have none and only want to milk the established LOTR fanbase for cash while calling everyone who dislikes what they have done the usual negative buzzwords.

@user-rh1jo1yy9e

2 жыл бұрын

I'll probably pirate it. I wanna see the reasons why it sucks, but you're Right in that I don't wanna encourage Amazon with views

@advay1043

2 жыл бұрын

ill just pirate it if I want to watch it.

The showrunners are too lazy to even read the freaking wiki pages, or rather they probably don't care. Getting rid of Shippey was a red flag the size of the Titanic.

@mflax4331

2 жыл бұрын

Replacing the one well-known scholar by some unknown entity enables them to fool around with the stories - doing a Game of Thrones. They only forgot that Tolkien's believers are entrenched for almost 7 decades. We know our stuff. We had some problems with wrong stuff in Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings. We had more problems when Peter Jackson yielded to the studio bosses in the Hobbit. We will not accept this abomination to be named Middle Earth or to be attached to Tolkien. If they want to create. Fine, do it. But don't call it Middle Earth, don't use the name Tolkien. But you are lacking abilities to create, you can only spoil existing legacies. You've done that often enough. We are fed up. Just go away!

Tolkien is eternal. In 5 to ten years, no one will remember this imposter.

@Brandelwyn

2 жыл бұрын

In 10 years they will use it as an example on how not to do a tv show

@johansvanborg5870

2 жыл бұрын

Au contrare. In a generation this might be what's left gor a generation that don't read books but have a LotR remake in the spirit of this. That is if we don't also play the long game.

@ShadowofGod616

2 жыл бұрын

@@Brandelwyn less than that my friend…far less than that

@sirzorg5728

2 жыл бұрын

@@johansvanborg5870 never underestimate the power of the long game.

@westleyhurtgen4275

2 жыл бұрын

@@johansvanborg5870 prime video has the worst appeal of any streaming service lotr bc of it Christian influences is still more on the edge of acceptable nerdyness

_"Can we come up with the novel Tolkien never wrote....."_ That is cue for me to ignore the production by Amazon. For such beings of quaint tastes as I, if Tolkien did not write it, I shall have naught to do with it if it pretends to be Tolkienian. In the meantime, to phrase it in lowbrow parlance, "I love me some Silmarillion".

My first red flag was, just what I read a while ago. They filmed the first season in NZ. Then moved it all to the UK for season 2 onwards. In my mind that means more CGI and less actual real settings. Like LOTR to The Hobbit.

“Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action” ― Ian Fleming, Goldfinger Cheers.

@richardrose2606

2 жыл бұрын

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

@antonkovalenko364

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardrose2606 "I know this saying. It's Russian." - Ensign Pavel Andreievich Chekov, USS Enterprise

@MALICEM12

2 жыл бұрын

A more accurate quote to apply than the "evil creates nothing" one everyone is chanting. If only people really knew how much they really are in the middle of a war, and how much their enemy truly hates them.

@darthXreven

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardrose2606 "fool me three times [sputters a bit] well I won't be fooled again" -George W Bush "the idiot"

"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own." -J.R.R Tolkien

@Matt-dl2iy

2 жыл бұрын

"anything that doesn't stick to the original source material (because that would be incredibly hard with a story spanning thousands of years) is "evil" because reasons"

@sirzorg5728

2 жыл бұрын

@@beneko1127 remember the third melody of illuvatar: the simple, humble theme that was nonetheless unconquerable.

@obinna1317

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matt-dl2iy People have given many many specific reasons including in this very video. Whether or not you want to acknowledge them is up to you but being willfully ignorant doesn't make your POV any more legitimate nor our POV any less. Straw-manning the issue just makes you look dumb and disingenuous and makes the rest of us more confident in our assertions

@Matt-dl2iy

2 жыл бұрын

@@obinna1317 "straw manning the issue". There is no issue. The series isn't even out yet and people are calling it evil, lol. Don't you see how ironic this quote is? The showrunners are LITERALLY creating new elements (characters, conflicts, who knows?) and people are complaining about how it's not accurate to the source, yet use this dumb quote as if it's relevant at all.

@obinna1317

2 жыл бұрын

@@Matt-dl2iy Again, a clear lack of nuanced understanding of the reason people are using the quote. Just remain confused. If you haven't worked it out by now, I don't think anyone can explain it to you. Good day.

Oh my goodness you are SPOT ON in every way! I came here from the "Tolkien expert reacts" video put out by IGN; severely disappointed in his lack of knowledge, and a lot of the comments said to come here for truth. So glad I did!

The sad thing is that it's probably 10-20 years before we'll get another opportunity on a series or film made by someone else who actually cares.

@Supermanfan99

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on who wins this current culture war in 10-20 years.

@General_Griffin

2 жыл бұрын

@@Supermanfan99 Nobody "wins" in this lunacy.

@squaeman_2644

Жыл бұрын

@@General_Griffin very true, it just becomes a paranoid isolated place...

After seeing what these people did to games, comics, and Cowboy Bebop, it's good to see at least the Tolkien and Anime fans push back against this nonsense.

@toothgrinder2760

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Hollywood/Disney did the same thing to Star Wars. Too bad J.R.R. Tolkien’s son isn’t around anymore. Christopher Tolkien trashed Peter Jackson’s LOTR and The Hobbit. Imagine what he’d think of Amazon’s LOTR abortion.

@claudius_drusus_

2 жыл бұрын

@@toothgrinder2760 makes me big sad Christopher isn't around. He would never let this abomination happen. 😔 😟 😥

@cattrucker8257

2 жыл бұрын

"Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a weeb." "What about side by side a friend?" "Aye, I could do that."

@goldengail3418

2 жыл бұрын

@@toothgrinder2760 But I liked Peter Jackson's LOTR.

@abigailslade3824

2 жыл бұрын

Wheel of Time fans pushed back and got told we were the most Toxic fan base, just for having an honest opinion.

Tolkein, and his son are spinning in their graves so fast that they're charging every phone battery in the eastern hemisphere.

@wolfgangallanalhazred802

2 жыл бұрын

They're drilling holes ar this rate

@benwarwick4290

2 жыл бұрын

while the grandson is rolling in dirty cash!

@lesewing

2 жыл бұрын

@oky Stop spamming your religious music video links everywhere!

@Kryynism

2 жыл бұрын

Their stories are immortal. Fanfics don't matter lol

@feanor1488

2 жыл бұрын

They are even going to air the show on the day that Tolkien DIED!

Shippey had the same training as Tolkien from the same institutions. He was only protecting his legacy. This makes me look forward to seeing what he had to say on the matter. I took a course on Literature of the Vikings with Dr Shippey years ago, and I was impressed with his scholarship, worldliness and integrity. If Amazon removed him, it was guided with the opposite values.

@swagromancer

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know why people get so hung up on Shippey. Yeah, it's a shame he was removed from the project, but he did violate his NDA. That mistake was on his part.

if this show was a “Tolkien inspired” Instead of being directly connected I probably would’ve been fully onboard with the show. I think the problem with making sequels/ prequels to massive ip’s is they spend too much time justifying their existence by trying to be different. I feel like the best “sequels” are heavily inspired works that are made by super fans.

_That's_ Galadriel?! Galadriel doesn't need armor. She doesn't need to prove anything and she sure as shit doesn't need a sword, ten million times weaker than she is! Galadriel is my favorite. An ethereal goddess who has knowledge and power unmatched by anyone. It's like weakening Superman just to make him "relatable." They're not relatable characters. They're characters who are admired. Characters we wish we were like. Not characters just as pitiful as we are.

@Duncangafney1

2 жыл бұрын

I can understand you loving Galadriel, but compared to many characters in the Silmarillion, she is pretty weak, she is certainly not in any way a "goddess". There are is no shortage of actual goddesses in Tolkeins work :p

@joe77andino

2 жыл бұрын

When I heard Amazon making a LOTR series already knew it be all f*ckes up.

@crypterion_moon

2 жыл бұрын

She was badass before even without being in the spotlight and forefront of the movies. Her echo was enough to give chills. Now they're going to make her boring. Wonderful. I hope they waste a lot of time and money

@mihai000000

2 жыл бұрын

mate , they literlly raped superman. what do u even expect here ?

@orirune3079

2 жыл бұрын

@@Duncangafney1 Tolkien himself stated that Feanor was the greatest of the elves, except perhaps for Galadriel. Even in the old ages she was one of the most powerful characters. Not a Valar or Maiar, sure, but she's up there with the greats.

These 'writers' must have rejoiced when they heard of christopher tolkien's passing. The best defender of Prof Tolkien's work no longer present to protect it.

@Dread2012death

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly this seems to be the case.

@paulelroy6650

2 жыл бұрын

yeah the same guy who hated peter jacksons films remember

@pabloarellano5485

2 жыл бұрын

Now it’s our turn to defend THE master of the Rings

@KonoGufo

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulelroy6650 I mean yes, but Peter Jackson's films still respected the source material and tried to do it justice even if you can argue about how well they adapted the books.

"O mal não pode criar nada de novo, só pode distorcer e destruir o que foi inventado ou criado pelas forças do bem." - J. R. R. Tolkien

They are basically using the name by using it's parts of it's lore as a skeleton to built their own version and interpretation of the whole thing like they've done it countless times to lure the fans.

"Thousands of years younger" - as if that matters to the IMMORTAL elf-queen

@someinteresting

2 жыл бұрын

She stopped aging like a gazillion years before there were humans but yeah, sure, she is younger than in the Lord of the Ring. Idiots, imbecils.

@marley7868

2 жыл бұрын

I mean if she was only a mere few hundred that would mean something

At this rate Tolkien is spinning so fast in his grave he has relit the two trees.

Lol the only thing Tarhiel and Kili proved is that you can make an entire theatre laugh all together !

“Evil is not capable of creating anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” - J.R.R. Tolkien

@KalonOrdona2

2 жыл бұрын

paraphrased* :) When not using the actual line, I like to just say "Evil cannot make, only mock."

@joeygawl4346

2 жыл бұрын

@@KalonOrdona2 I could give a fuck less what you like to do.

Just Some Guy is the foremost expert on JRR Tolken on KZread and it's not even the main focus of his channel, that's how hard you rock!

@Hinatachan360

2 жыл бұрын

And he's fluent in Elvish. JSG is the GOAT.

“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” - J. R. R. Tolkien

@adamparris8353

2 жыл бұрын

I refuse to believe anything other than the fact that J R R Tolkien was a prophet and was referring specifically to amazon's show in this quote.

@forestshepherd253

2 жыл бұрын

It's a fake quote ya dingus.

@TheaterPup

2 жыл бұрын

Not a real quote. Sorry.

@adamparris8353

2 жыл бұрын

@@forestshepherd253 it's a quote from Frodo in Return of the King ya dingus. We understand it's not a quote that Tolkien said himself in front of a crowd, but he still wrote it.

@level9drow856

2 жыл бұрын

@@forestshepherd253 But could never ring more true.

Amazon : we now present to you, Beethoven's fifth symhpony (... The first 8 notes, followed by 10 minutes of rap/hip-hop accompanied by diverse breakdancers, and ending with the 8 starting notes again.) Beethoven fans : WTF Amazon ???? Amazon : What's wrong with you Beethoven fans ? Don't you know European classical music should be more like nowadays American showbizz , and more diverse ? Are you all bigots or what ? (and moreover we only have the rights to the first 8 notes)

I'am so glad the lord of the rings was made 20 years ago. We still have the masterpiece. Shame on them for butchering the lore.

A friend (scholar) once told me "There's plenty of room for other stories within Middle Earth. Loads of time and events that would make a RPG a valid and fun experience. But no one cares, Tolkien wrote the best ones anyway.". I have to agree.

@MiaogisTeas

2 жыл бұрын

We used to play a Pathfinder-like pen and paper game based on this great source text inspired by Tolkien's Middle Earth. Sure we played with the themes but we never strayed from the source. Never go full woke!

@mflax4331

2 жыл бұрын

He created so much stuff around his stories. Almost all fantasy created after his stuff takes a bite out of it. Orcs, dwarves, elves - whoever has them in THEIR stories takes a dip into his definitions. This guy was a genius. I'm not complaining about other creators. If they make good stories, I'm entertained. Just make good stuff of your own, just don't call it Middle Earth or a derivative of Tolkien if you just take some bits out of it. But if you use his name and say it's Middle Earth then stick to the rules he made up. That's your choice: stick to the rules or create your own. But as we all know and he said himself: not everybody can create. But those that cannot create, defile HIS creation.

@vladavram9209

2 жыл бұрын

@@mflax4331 The witcher is based on slavic folklore. Sure, its not as great as middle earth, far from it. But it goes to show that it can be done. Well, the netflix series is trash but the witcher as an intelectual property works. People know the name, be it from the books games or show. Game of thrones worked too, until it didnt. Point is, it dossnt have to be middle earth just to sound familiar. Thats lazy. They could either stick to the books or create their own thing. Oor, pick another series, one less obviously tied to a certain culture, or one that includes "diverse" races. Game of thrones literally has a continent that stands in for Asia.

@mflax4331

2 жыл бұрын

@@vladavram9209 I prefer "create their own thing". BTW I'm European. And I know the witcher. They have made games of it which have visualized the characters that originally came from books. Thus moving away from those pre-existing pictures was a point of criticism. And rightfully so. If you start creating something for a movie, you have to make sure that neither the author nor somebody else has previously made something very popular that contradicts your planned images. It reduces the impact of the story told and it moves the audience away. That may not concern you, but fans will be concerned about it.

@AzraealGamer

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiaogisTeas the original dungeons and dragons is based off the hobbit and LOTR books. If you can get a copy of 1st edition copies of rule books they are fun to read. Races are damn close to being word for word from the books and monsters are named and look like the characters from the books. Halflings were also supposed to be named hobbits but TSR was sued and so they changed the name to halfling. The culture and sun races were the same.

I’ve been waiting for this one. Everyone else can blather on but just some guy is the expert

@markwatton4752

2 жыл бұрын

No, he's just some guy.

@acemarvel1564

2 жыл бұрын

In a fantasy campaign he’d definitely be a powerful bard with an unmatched voice of reason and the power of truth that falters before no blade

The LoTR films may not have followed the books 100% but they embodied the essence of the books perfectly because were as far as practically possible true to the law. In my opinion this is why they were so successful and can be watched over and over and are satisfying to watch each time. The Hobbit films just didn't have enough source material for three films and would have been better as a one off film. Even then the Hobbit is a kids book and, what there is of it, doesn't have the same depth as LoTR.

I have an inkling the "mysterious character" that the Harfoots are supposed to introduce into the story is Tom Bombadil. Who in the Second Age would be a "mysterious lost man" if not Iarwain Ben-Adar? I cringe at the thought of what antics the show runners are going to have him perform to suit the wicked tastes of their one-eyed master Bezauron.

@spyrosblt3320

2 жыл бұрын

it wouldnt be a terrible stretch if they are from the race of Men who are ancestors to the stoor Hobbits.It is possible for them to be just a little bit shorter than everyone else

I used to think I was a hard core Lord of the Rings fan, then I heard JSG speak elvish, and I didn't think that anymore. His ownage logic bombs are potent, powerful and drive home every single time. Terra I wish I could succinctly analyze things like this guy can.

@togucvinw7

2 жыл бұрын

Real Tolkien fan speak the tongue of Mordor you fool ! Sauron rules in this bitch 🔥 (just kidding of course, a fan is one who respect the work of the author , nothing more nothing less)

@vardaelentari8907

2 жыл бұрын

Same!!!

"Peter Jackson's trilogy is so good that not even Peter Jackson could follow it" nicely put JSG, and I am VERY jealous of your wealth of knowledge on Tolkien

@ultimatecorgi3392

2 жыл бұрын

I remember hearing that Jackson had to follow the trilogy books almost by the letter. Some sort of interview or something where he basically said that "the more they changed, the less sense it made. Even a little change would have big implications." If this is true, then you can imagine what all the changes to The Hobbit did.

@sigmacademy

2 жыл бұрын

We all saw the clips of how the poor man drove himself into utter exhaustion to deliver the quality product we all have come to love, and that was with an all star cast, the best people he could get and the love of the Tolkien fan community behind him. That was BEFORE all the identity politics dropped, so imagine how much MORE DIFFICULT it will be for someone to make something of quality now. I could be wrong, but I'm speculating that we are either gonna see 1 or more showrunner swaps on this show, or the writers and/or "revisionist Scholars" or gonna get rotated, which will mean the show will probably change its entire tone and/or pace, making it either a s**tstorm of stitched-together stories that will make no sense, or the most infested political nonsense you've ever seen on TV to date. And there will be "Tolkien fans" that will celebrate this as the best Tolkien on screen they've EVER seen. I can GUARANTEE it.

@krald8421

2 жыл бұрын

he is not some saint, he almost blew it, just to be reeled back in by others : See going all the way through filming the fight with sauron at the black gate

@ANTIStraussian

2 жыл бұрын

Peter Jackson movies changed tons of the things from the books. You just weren't weird red pilled super nerds yet back in the early 2000s

I'm not a fan boy of things though I remember the things I loved as a kid. However I'm certainly glad there are guys like yourself who remember the magic and stick up for it. These things make up our memories. I appreciate you fighting the bull. Thanks for what you do. I subscribed. Thanks brother.

"Zło nie jest w stanie stworzyć niczego nowego, może jedynie zniekształcać i niszczyć to, co zostało wymyślone lub stworzone przez siły dobra” J.R.R. Tolkien

I keep having to point out, it's not racism when we react to companies making racist character changes in shows. It's not sexist when we react negatively to companies doing sexist gender swaps. They're accusing us of what they're doing and we keep treating it like they have a leg to stand on with that argument.

@marychocolatefairy

2 жыл бұрын

Yes; I saw a comment by an East Asian fan who said that when these writers take white characters and cast a non white actor, it seems like they want non white people to be white and to not have their own culture, but to just take on white culture. I thought that was a great point.

@beezerk4509

2 жыл бұрын

This is the dumbest fucking take I've ever read

@swagromancer

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe you could explain what "racist" character changes Amazon made here.

@rallelevin6102

2 жыл бұрын

@@swagromancer black elf. Why is there a black elf? There doesn't need to be a black elf yet there is a black elf. No hate towards the actor playing, but *why* does there have to be a black elf in the series? I'm sure he could do an amazing performance, but why? There's never been any mention whatsoever of a black elf in the books, so why did they need to make this change?

@rallelevin6102

2 жыл бұрын

@@swagromancer wait, shouldn't a black elf be like an orc or something lol?

Great vid. Re: Galadriel as being full of vengeance and leading armies - that was never her, and instead that's the role of Feanor, who she despised. And Tolkien made it clear that in the final great battle against Melkor none of the Noldor that followed Feanor back to Middle-Earth participated; the idea that Galadriel was engaged at that time and afterwards in hunting down "collaborators" is so at odds with the text it makes my blood boil.

@devilsinthedirt4882

2 жыл бұрын

Its dumb-wave feminism at work. For women to be "equal" they have to look/act like and eventually become the men in the story. Or realize that different people do different things. Morgana la Fey for instance is a nemesis of Arthur's but she doesn't need to fight him in a duel or swing a sword better than Lancelot to prove it. At best, the moronic writers are channeling Joan of Arc but apparently believe she too was a brash and young samurai master.

@gilly9666

2 жыл бұрын

Joan of arc was the first thing i thought after seeing that picture of not galadriel

@2nd_Directorate

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, on one hand they hate men, on the other hand they seem to think only a man can be powerful and sculpt their female characters after them...they have no clue about anything...

@tar-elenionmaranwe1275

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, Galadriel had actually fled Beleriand even before the fall of Nargothrond.

@jamescam04

2 жыл бұрын

When I heard the description of her, I thought Feanor was being described. It does not sound like her, not remotely.

"One does not simply infest a beloved work of fantasy with woke sjw tomfuckery". - Chadomir.

@niklas6248

2 жыл бұрын

That's a hilariously creative comment!

@timbow1833

2 жыл бұрын

tomfuckery

@johndoe5432

2 жыл бұрын

I like this, I'm stealing it.

@theseanobear9199

2 жыл бұрын

Chadomir my next DnD character

"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made" - J. R. R. Tolkien

@KalonOrdona2

2 жыл бұрын

Tolkien, as Frodo, paraphrased*

RespectTolkienLegacy. Never see woke products. Never see Amazon trash series.

@acemarvel1564

2 жыл бұрын

The motion has already been carried

@toothgrinder2760

2 жыл бұрын

No way in hell I’d watch that monstrosity of a series. Tolkien and his son are rolling in their graves.

@GeraltofRivia22

2 жыл бұрын

Simple az

@RemusKingOfRome

2 жыл бұрын

Woke Progressives are traitors and criminals they should be in prison. #RespectTolkienLegacy

@romainvicta3076

2 жыл бұрын

Only Pirate and watch the show illegally

“Evil cannot create anything new, it can only spoil and destroy what good forces have invented and created” -J.R.R. Tolkien

@KatyshaM1

2 жыл бұрын

At least use an actual quote from Tolkien if you gonna do that. "The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own."

@Elusive9T2RETRO

2 жыл бұрын

@@KatyshaM1 Same result, see video

@revanofkorriban1505

2 жыл бұрын

Stop repeating this fake quote. And I find it frankly asinine that you compare incompetent showrunners to fucking Sauron and Melkor. Being a bumbling, arrogant idiot does not make you the Dark Lord 3.0.

@ClokworkGremlin

2 жыл бұрын

@@revanofkorriban1505 Cope and seethe.

@Shamshiro

2 жыл бұрын

@@revanofkorriban1505 - We can agree that they're just as evil, though :3

“It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like.” - Lindsey Weber, E.P. Amazon's LOTR Series, Vanity Fair (Feb. 2022) "There are certainly themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyse what was important to Tolkien and to try to honour that. In a way, were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves." - Peter Jackson, Interview with GreenCine (Dec. 2002)

They could not care less about Tolkien or his works and it's obvious. Name recognition is all it was about.

@BroadwayRonMexico

2 жыл бұрын

It's not just that they "dont care", they actively hate him and his legacy. The Rings of Power premiering on the day Tolkien died isnt coincidence

As a Wheel of Time fan, all I can say to the Tolkien fans is brace yourselves.

@LordMarr2

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I'm expecting the same liquid garbage that we got for WoT

@KonoGufo

2 жыл бұрын

It's the same mindset the writers are working under too. Showwriters get arrogant and decide they know better than the original author so they make their own awful changes willy-nilly, since they cleeeaarly know how the story *should* have gone. And then they get surprised when nobody likes it.

@MalGanish

2 жыл бұрын

WoT adaptation is garbage

@mr.s2005

2 жыл бұрын

Only made it through the first few episodes before I gave up.

@arthurvyrin3431

2 жыл бұрын

I rage cried to WoT... I didn't even know that was a thing

I truly appreciate your comments, I am a Canadian, and a white man who is 61 years old. I’ve been reading JRR Tokien’s works since I was a teenager, and to see someone of a different country, a different culture, appreciate the things that I appreciate, and be able to speak on the subject so well, proves that Tokien’s writing brings different cultures together. Thank you very much.

LoL the graphic of Game of Thrones with the horse drawings.... priceless.

It seems Amazon could have avoided all this by just getting the rights to Elder Scrolls and making a show about that. It's got the name recognition, diverse peoples to explore, and they could be pretty loosey goosey with the story without messing with the lore too much. I think Netflix is supposed to be making a show about this but Amazon could have probably outbid them and Elder Scrolls would be a much better vehicle to make Amazon's version of Game of Thrones than Lord of the Rings which is what Amazon has admitted they are going for. But what do I know, I'm just Rocko's dog Spunky.

@Daishi18

2 жыл бұрын

Hey... its Bethesda´s work to ruin TES, not anyone else XD

@RockosdogSpunky

2 жыл бұрын

@@Daishi18 Come on, you know you wanna see a story about the Dragonborn but Lydia is actually the hero.

@aryasayne

2 жыл бұрын

@@RockosdogSpunky they'd make her look like Jenassa and perform like Serana.

@AGS363

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, how is the modern life going?

@jordanweir7187

2 жыл бұрын

I get your point but i hope they leave the elder scrolls alone tbh

I think Jackson did a near perfect adaptation. The changes mostly made sense. There are only a few changes that I feel made it worse, and even then not much. Few movies capture the spirit of a work like his films do.

@ogbee9690

2 жыл бұрын

The movies are so phenomenal, it’s unfortunate nothing has ever come out since that’s come anywhere close.

@2070paradigmshift

2 жыл бұрын

I think the biggest issue I had with the movies was the Elves in Helms Deep. Sending a Lothlorien elf to lead Rivendell elves. Confusing how they even met up or communicated.

@flamestoyershadowkill6400

2 жыл бұрын

The only rule with changes in adaptations is only make changes to suit the medium which Jackson’s trilogy did follow

@westleyhurtgen4275

2 жыл бұрын

I agree most of the changes such as dropping Tom Bombadil make sense for a movie format

@krald8421

2 жыл бұрын

Jackson had the other writers keeping him in check, he almost blew it during RoTK by putting Sauron in it, they even filmed it, just CGed the big troll Aragorn fights over top of Sauron

"Evil cannot create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what was invented or created by the forces of good."

"I said JJ Abrams would never get his hands on Lord of The Rings. Well...I was wrong." Me too man...me too. *hysterically laughs in immense pain*

A single mom that's in a relationship with a black elf, that's not Tolkien that's what you expect from As the World Turns. What's next Calabrembor has an evil twin? Is someone gonna be in a coma for several episodes? The absolute arrogance of these "writers" is beyond the pale. I have no doubt that they got participation ribbons all of their life, and no one was allowed to ever say that they sucked. I know I can't prove it but that's the only way to explain how anyone can say or think for a single second that they are a better writer than a literal literary genius. As far as I'm concerned law den aniron.

@newtpondskipper

2 жыл бұрын

It'll blow your mind when you meet Elronds evil twin brother!

@HyperMoeMan

2 жыл бұрын

@@newtpondskipper his name is Dnorle

@blacktigerpaw1

2 жыл бұрын

@@HyperMoeMan "Mr. Anderson ..."

@richelleg225

2 жыл бұрын

@@newtpondskipper Triplet, I don't think you can call Elros evil.

@honeybee4016

2 жыл бұрын

@@newtpondskipper He's not evil! He's just misunderstood!

"Le mal ne peut rien créer de nouveau, il ne peut seulement gâcher ou détruire ce que les forces du bien ont inventée ou créé." - J.R.R Tolkien.

@lilangeldreams2846

2 жыл бұрын

Merci camarade français (perso j'ai juste traduis par '' le bien '' au lieu de '' les bonnes forces '')

@onclesam1463

2 жыл бұрын

Enfin !

"We will cast your show aside lest we be corrupted." Love it!

The average cost to launch a Space Shuttle as of 2011 was about $450 million per mission. Meanwhile the first season here being 462 Million.

“Those that hate goodness are sometimes nearer than those that know nothing at all about it and think they have it.” -C.S Lewis

One thing is sure - after this dumpsterfire I appreciate Jackson's Hobbit trilogy more than before.

@litteliten4999

2 жыл бұрын

That's a stretch... but okay.

@Supermanfan99

2 жыл бұрын

It's like the Star Wars sequel trilogy made the prequels look like masterpieces.

@litteliten4999

2 жыл бұрын

@Jéster The main problem for me with Hobbit is kindergarten cgi compared to master level makeup in lotr. Just can't escape it.

@cierazeh3522

2 жыл бұрын

@@litteliten4999 And now we have a cgi that looks even faker than the hobbit! xD

@litteliten4999

2 жыл бұрын

@@cierazeh3522 Yeah one thing is for sure, this new bo/ezos thing has nothing to do but the but name with lotr. It is leftist lunacy for small children.

Watching your videos regarding the Tolkien books/lore and talking about the show on Amazon, you're making me wanna buy the official books to finally read them!

It's Elron and Galadril backwards. She was more powerful but focused on the civil side of things while he took the marshal side to compliment her weakness. That is was a partnership

"Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” J.R.R. Tolkien

@Iyami854

2 жыл бұрын

"Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” J.R.R. Tolkien

@TheaterPup

2 жыл бұрын

Not a real quote. Sorry.

Tolkein is a legend. The writers of this show are creatively bankrupt hacks.

@Strideo1

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder what happened to all the good writers that used to work in the business. Writing is probably the most important thing to a show or film's production because you can have great performances from the actors, good special effects, cool sets and costumes, ect... but if it's all in service to a terrible story then it's all for naught. Just look at Babylon 5 for a prime example: the special effects and sets were kind of cheap looking even for the day and you could tell the show was really stretching the limits of its budget to try and make it all happen but the writing was so good the fans could overlook those flaws and just immerse themselves in the characters and the story.

@jonothandoeser

2 жыл бұрын

What's really going on is that Amazon wants to use the Tolkien's brand to tell *transformed storylines* that promote their own POLITICS. That's 100% it! What they need to realize is that EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ABOUT POLITICS. And when you try to make it that, it simply destroys the quality of everything you do.

@ANTIStraussian

2 жыл бұрын

Peter Jackson movies changed tons of the things from the books. You just weren't weird red pilled super nerds yet back in the early 2000s

@Strideo1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ANTIStraussian Oh, you mean like elves showing up at the Battle of Helm's Deep? Merry and Pippin just being portrayed largely as bumbling comedy relief characters who stumbled into the quest instead of the competent and brave friends who willingly helped Frodo escape from the Shire? Gimli frequently being shown as a comic relief character? Legolas single handedly taking down an Oliphant in a ridiculous CGI fest action scene? Arwen taking Glofindel's place? The idea that Frodo would "send Samwise home" over the lembas bread? Aragorn doing something as dishonorable as fucking chopping the Mouth of Sauron's head off when he was negotiating under a flag of truce? Treebeard has the Entmoot and decides NOT to go to war until he's pretty much tricked into it by the hobbits? Tolkien fans, including myself, have had criticisms like this since the beginning. Where were you? Peter Jackson did actually get some stuff wrong that I would have done differently but his efforts in the first trilogy are still the best we've seen so far. And The Hobbit just never even should have been a trilogy in the first place. The Hobbit trilogy is pretty much unwatchable for me.

@ANTIStraussian

2 жыл бұрын

@@Strideo1 reread what I said. I am saying these people saying Peter Jackson movies were perfect and the new show will be terrible are forgetting people on usnet forums said the original trilogy changed things from the book.

Thank you for your work!! Please keep it up this needs to be known everywhere!!

I really do appreciate this video, the fans who many of us have spent years reading, re-reading, delving ourselves into that world Tolkien created just wanna see justice done to it with respect to the world and lore. We watch and read fantasy to escape the modern world we live in and immerse ourselves into something greater than ourselves. This show is assaulting' those concepts with modern movements that most break the material, not enhance it. This is why there is so much frustration. No one cares if actors are black, asian, or white, but the lore is based on Northern Europe and Tolkien was extremely passionate about giving England its own mythology. Calling people racist for defending a world they love is stopping any conversation of what the show needed to be successful, instead of expecting the fans to be force-feed Modern ideologies, and not letting us immerse ourselves in the fantasy that was from Tolkien's heart

@draochvar9646

2 жыл бұрын

And they could have avoided this entire mess by giving us stories about the less explored regions of Middle Earth. Ya know, Harad, Southron Khand, Rhun, all of these places had the potential to create some meaningful representation ... But alas, that'd require some actual effort and talent, so tokenism it is.

@benjaminakintuyosi2767

2 жыл бұрын

Why does everyone keep saying that because Tolkien created lord of the rings as English folklore then the actors shouldn't be of different skin colours? The funny thing is England is a multi cultural country, and most of the culture in England has come from all over the globe. Tolkien experts have admitted that the dwarvish languages are derived from Hebrew (which is an eastern language) so why do people have such a problem with having black dwarves on screen. Very few characters in the book have their skin colour described, and it's a world where race isn't defined by skin colour but by species. So it makes sense for skin colour to be experimented with when bringing Tolkien's global work to the screen.

I haven't heard many people point out the aesthetic of the sets and costumes yet but that was one of my biggest anxieties after the VF article dropped - the Jackson trilogy, though not perfect, succeeded hugely in embodying the sense of *reality* in the books. The Hobbit went in a somewhat more cartoonish direction, and the stills in the VF article DID remind me somehow of cosplay - bright and colorful and 'pretty' enough, but not like 'real' clothing/armor that people would actually wear. (The fact that you can see daylight through everyone's cloaks, for instance, makes me wonder why they're even wearing them?... certainly not to keep warm.) Also, Khuzdul and Sindarin in the same video? Noice.

@easttowest7839

2 жыл бұрын

Saw your Aegnor and Andreth video earlier today. Great stuff!

@2nd_Directorate

2 жыл бұрын

@Juggling Llama Productions Same with their Wheel of Time Show. Everythings looked far too clean and most clothing seem to be not "streetworthy" if you get my drift.

@wohendumwing3ee9

2 жыл бұрын

@@2nd_Directorate Will never watch Wheel of Time. I despise most of the cast choices. That alone ruins it for me. I need nothing else to hate it.

@Hero_Of_Old

2 жыл бұрын

Nice to see you here. Your channel is great.

@someobserver844

2 жыл бұрын

I expected this to be terrible; but they managed to surprise me with the flimsy, generic look of the costumes.

This feels very like watching toddlers smear finger paint all over the Mona Lisa and then present it back to us, self-satisfied and waiting for applause. Tolkien's writing is precise to the degree of fastidiousness. He chose his words with purpose and understanding to give life to his imagination and create a mythology for England that could, in some small way, replace the one that had been lost to history. We know what the characters and people of Middle-earth looked like because he told us in his novels and then again in his letters. It takes a peculiar degree of intellectual dishonesty to misrepresent his meaning the way I have lately seen published in the media. I have always held deep reservations about the translation of Tolkien's work into a visual medium. I think the audience, inevitably, is robbed of the experience of creating his imagery internally and deprived of the sense of being swept away into a place of pure imagination. Peter Jackson's films did so with a degree of respect that I can agree make them valuable, particularly for those people who would otherwise never have experienced the story and now share in the joy of it. His adaptation was beautifully done - and yet still some part of me wishes it was never made. This 'thing' Amazon dares to pollute the words of Tolkien with is a vainglorious debasement of art.

@newtpondskipper

2 жыл бұрын

But this isn't written for that type of audience. This is lowest common denomination level from what I'm taking away from this. I'm sure there will be an overabundance of profanity and nudity and no idea of how to use either for real effect. I'm old enough to remember real censors for music so that when the artist did say any profanity it was to emphasize their point and not just word filling.

@Puma5

2 жыл бұрын

I’m photographing this comment, frame it and hang it on a wall.

@Voidwurm1701

2 жыл бұрын

@@newtpondskipper There's gonna be a scene where like, elves are all being taken captive in chains or something and for some reason *they all just happen to be black* and their captors will be white goblins who act like morons, just to really drive home the point to our wonderful "modern audience". The men will come up with a terrible rescue plan so the womens will do a better one. Then the stronk womens character will plan to team up with the black guy elf to defeat the oppressors who somehow captured them but are also stupid. Theyll be struggling to defeat the hoards of goblins and the black guy elf will be like "Wait there's someone joining the battle!" [Music crescendo and then mute for dramatic effect] Then someone will shout "I see you needed backup!" [Sudden camera pan with overused Inception earbleed noise] The woman will come in riding one of them giant elephant things while her stupid animal-esque yet sentient sidekick that she found in the woods eating his own shit will pop into frame and make funny "owowowowow" noises and wave his arms about. (Her makeup and hair will be perfect as if she hasn't been in a massive battle and blood, dirt and fire haven't been flying everywhere.) They'll defeat the goblins. It'll be a "groundbreaking" and "thought-provoking" scene that's "relevant to our time" and it'll get like 250 thousand likes on Twitter and the person who wrote the scene will be a hero and she'll create an onlyfans afterwards. The men elves will try to take credit for the plan and thus a woman's work, then she'll like raise a knowing yet slightly annoyed "oh you silly men" eyebrow to another womens and they'll laugh about it because they do all the work and the males are incompetent but still arrogant because males. The Blue Wizards will be gay (but not too much to be noticeable because they want that China dollar). The director will just say on Twitter afterwards that they're gay haha. They'll say it was a tribute to Gandalf's actor. ^ I wrote this in ten minutes and we all know that's going to be a scene in this 400 million dollar "re-imagining". It'll get a 100% "Fresh" Critic Rating on Rotten Tomatoes and get tons of awards.

@animeangel1983

2 жыл бұрын

@@Voidwurm1701 Of course it will. This is why I want Amazon to lose those billions they dumped into this for every season this show poisons the cultural sphere with its existence.

@trainzactivist7245

2 жыл бұрын

That might be the best analogy for woke messaging in our popular entertainment ever

This is the best breakdown of the new trailer and all the chat afterwards that I've seen. Bravo!

What a shock! They hired actors to fill a quota even though the work they base it upon is a piece medieval nordic europe. And then they contest the criticism by saying it is racism? This has never happened before! Oh, wait. It happened THE EXACT SAME WAY with the Witcher.

When Tolkien started writing this story, he had a specific target audience in mind. You ready to learn who? His kids. That's right, he wrote these stories for his children. And when he died before finishing it, Christopher took up his fathers pen and spent time going over his father's notes so we might be able to read the Silmarillion.

@brucetucker4847

2 жыл бұрын

That is not true. The Hobbit was written for children, the Silmarillion and the stories that were eventually incorporated into it were not. He did send chapters of Lord of the Rings to Christopher as he wrote them, but Christopher was an adult (and a pilot in the RAF fighting in WW2) at that time. But the Silmarillion was begun during WW1, before he even had any children.

@Puma5

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, for his children as in „the next generation“, not for little kids (except the Hobbit)!

@radagast7200

2 жыл бұрын

He did write Roverandom for one of his kids. That's a fun read.

@radagast7200

2 жыл бұрын

@Professor Thinker yup. He also wrote about being disappointed with the way Fairy stories were being considered a genre for children.

@jasonito23

2 жыл бұрын

@@radagast7200 - He was also disappointed when people took his work too seriously. These people getting all bent out of shape and outraged about these changes being made to movies BASED off his work, he probably would care less.

You know, after watching other YT creators' videos and reading the comments - most of them said that PJ's Galadriel is scarier and more intimidating than full-armor Galadriel of ROP. That's how you create strong, intimidating woman without actually making her look physically strong and out of place/ lore.

@flamestoyershadowkill6400

2 жыл бұрын

Knowing that an enemy that knows everything and will use it against you is more terrifying than any look could be

@Hero_Of_Old

2 жыл бұрын

Feminine grace and beauty can be more powerful than an army of men as well

@ironhelix306

2 жыл бұрын

By not making them look and act like men? Perish the thought!

@mimicinabox2547

2 жыл бұрын

​@@ironhelix306 unrelated but...Seeing Gina Carrano in the Terror on the Prairie trailer, goddamn, she really fits the portrayal of 'strong woman of the American frontier' and 'wild west lady/mother with a rifle that you don't wanna mess with'.

@ironhelix306

2 жыл бұрын

@@mimicinabox2547 The woke cult really gets lost with the reality that men and women are infact different. That together complement each other and that slaps them (the woke cultists) in the face. It is why their strong whamen act and look like men. The only thing they can comprehend is strength and power is masculine and violent. It is why Amazon failed so hard with The Wheel of Time Series. (Possible spoilers?) As the underlying theme of Jordan's series is what is possible with the two halfs of the One Power (magic in that world), Saidin and Sidar work together and the adventure is basically the result of what happens when they do not. Interestingly I think the WoT series is somewhat allegorical to our current political situation regarding men and women. How our politics are being used to corrupt our culture and cause strife, divisiveness and confusion between the sexes.

The lord of the rings trilogy is like the origin of life, it was such an incredible series of events that no matter how many times people try, they fail to reproduce, but amazon isnt trying to reproduce. They are trying to corrupt

PREACH HOMIE. Conversations like yours give me hope!

Really sad here because Tolkien's works gave me hope when I going through a rough time in my high school, and it could very well saved me from suicide. To see his works butchered and twisted is devastating. Kudos to you still remembering the details and called them out 👏

@thelordofdogs2166

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. It was like a safe spot in all of that turmoil

@patchashbrook1943

2 жыл бұрын

The work you loved so much is still there and you shouldn't let what comes lessen the joy you took from the original work.

@eggyizzard947

2 жыл бұрын

Hey it frickin sucks. Also really sorry you went through that. We are seriously blessed to have Jackson's adaptations - I don't think i've ever watched a better adaptation. Also, there is an amazing series of narrated audiobooks on the fellowship, two towers and return - you should %100 check that out if you haven't already - They were on youtube last time I listened and have different voice actors and music from the film score - bluddy epic. I'm super pissed at how the source material and soul of the work is being treated (it's not just happening to LOTR either - Witcher was beyond butchered) However, during our lifetimes we may be blessed again at some point by another faithful adaptation. Great works tend to get multiple adaptations over time.

I remember distinctly that dwarves in LotR lore are PROUD of their beards, regardless of gender. That they're praised for their intricate braiding styles, and that is a skill that the dwarves community cherish and admire. And yet now, they have a clean shaven dwarf, who is telling us: Yo girls, don't conform to the patriarchy standard of beauty! Even though Gimli once mentioned that there is no difference between men and women dwarves. That you could date one without knowing their gender until the dwarf decide to tell or show you (and this doesn't satisfy the lgbtq group???) What is this? The next gender revolution? Are they trying to demand that next, for women to be powerful and independent, we should all shave our hair? (This is getting hypocritical, when women on tik tok are happily showing off their hairy armpits) And hey, better yet, cancel and doxx all those hair braiding tutorials, how dare women waste their time on looking pretty on weddings and parties when we have better things to do?!

@Ramsey276one

2 жыл бұрын

LOVED THIS

@markhill3858

2 жыл бұрын

I think while dwarf boys and girls might be confusing to human eyes .. I rekon dwarves can probably tell the difference :)

@rizkymubaroq3025

2 жыл бұрын

@@markhill3858 pretty sure in LOTR Gimly tells Eowyn the story where Dwarves were panicking because they thought there are no dwarf women

@markhill3858

2 жыл бұрын

@@rizkymubaroq3025 maybe, I dont remember that .. but if Dwarves really couldnt tell the difference .. theyd go extinct wouldnt they? or at least get very angry after weddings

I love the Silmarillion. Galadriel was never "brash and angry," that was Feanor. She was calculating and ambitious, maybe, but there's nothing that hints at her having any kind of 'hot' emotion. Plus, by this point she's thousands of years old, I think that's more than long enough for personality to settle.

@reek4062

Жыл бұрын

Even if she was brash, it would have been during the First Age, when she was younger.

Thank you. You've validated every feeling I've had about the details and press released this far.

Don't worry about the lack of diversity in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. They're going to fix that in the remakes.

@JLAvey

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure the dwarves would have something again about fixing something that ain't broke.

@VespoLiveGaming

2 жыл бұрын

They have lots of Tolkien minorities on deck.

@LH74

2 жыл бұрын

Fix?? You meant destroy.

@hitmanmonaghan6633

2 жыл бұрын

Oh thank God! I was ready to stick a fucking shotgun in my mouth, but now that elves and dwarves are black, I have a reason to live!!!!!! THANK YOU AMAZON!!!!!

@Rinesmyth

2 жыл бұрын

Lord of the Rings has no remakes Lord of the Rings needs no remakes

I don't know why this makes me smile, but your pure investment, love, and dedication to the lore of Middle Earth is just strong enough to justify the sheer sass you level at these myopic woke-tards butchering the fanbase. And I love it, cuz you've earned it. Never stop, my dude.

@lunarvision

2 жыл бұрын

Great comment.

If anyone saw the schedule for the last Tolkien conference, then you should already know where the minds of modern Tolkien “scholars” are at

“The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. " JRR Tolkien ‘Return of the King’

This Version of Galadriel doesn’t look like she spent much time in Melians school of wise queens. Also Elrond does not in any way look like he would be a great grandson of Luthien much less Idril. He looks like the adoring fan NPC from the Oblivion game.

@Jimmy9298

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my god. I can't unsee the adoring fan Elrond now...

They easily had the chance to explore actual black cultures in LOTR with the southern realms and easterlings, but instead decided to race spawn non human characters for some reason. Plus what's the reason with removing beards from dwarves for no reason?

@wolfgangallanalhazred802

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I thought the whole thing with female dwarves was that they were indistinguishable from the males?

@andrewmcguinness1845

2 жыл бұрын

In fact, some people say that there are no dwarf women, that dwarves just spring out of holes in the ground!

@acemarvel1564

2 жыл бұрын

Dwarves and beards are like Saturn and its ring, they should not be separated

@admirekashiri6651

2 жыл бұрын

There are no black cultures in LOTR Tolkien did not mention any.

@Raccon_Detective.

2 жыл бұрын

@@admirekashiri6651 In the books the people to the north are stated to be dark skinned and sided with Sauron, It's just that they don't get any exploration.

This series is doomed to fail; the hard core Tolkien fans who know the books will want nothing to do with this travesty, and casual fans will have already seen too many films/series saturated with identity politics to give a toss about a Middle-Earth series set in a time and place which they know nothing about.

How have I missed this channel for this long? Based content and straight fire!

Apparently the front guy in the elves vs orcs shot that looks like he's about to cry mid battle is Finrod. You're telling me that this guy is the same guy who fought Sauron in a battle of song or killed a werewolf with his bare hands to save Beren? Also wtf is that armor, my God the helms. I know that everyone is commenting this but it has to be said: "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made." - JRR Tolkien