This show is going to make The Hobbit trilogy look like the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

@djohn1671

2 жыл бұрын

what we are watching is the starting point of the futures 'would be history' that the media and future generations will accept as fact. the original versions of movies, tv series and historical events will be ignored and some even disappear. REPLACED by these 'updated with race and gender swapped' ones . you need to start the brainwashing somewhere and we are living through it.

@IntoTheMetalocalypse

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@hypocriticalnihilist645

2 жыл бұрын

@@djohn1671 this is why it's so important to purchase your own copies of physical media. Physical copies of The Lord of the Rings, Fight Club, Mrs Doubtfire, and books like To Kill a Mockingbird, Fahrenheit 451, Lord of the Flies, Animal Farm and 1984 will be worth their weight in gold.

@djohn1671

2 жыл бұрын

@@hypocriticalnihilist645 i agree, but even then the 'brand new' 4k or even future release could be changed and certain elements deleted (to fit in with modern thinking or racial standards' so in 40 years time old vhs, dvd's, even blurays would be seen as antiques. tv will only show the censored watered down version to fit with the whatever they decide the generation in question are allowed to see. even in china they changed the ending of FIGHT CLUB to show 'their' message.

@hypocriticalnihilist645

2 жыл бұрын

@@djohn1671 that's why you need your own physical copies, they can't change them. They can't change your physical copy of a book. My copy of The Sting might be seen as an antique, but they can't change it. Also, due to the backlash, they actuality reverted back to the original ending in China.

“There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers

@chucknorris202

2 жыл бұрын

Treebeards quote is perfect for Amazon; for Disney soy wars; for Bad Reboot/CBS, and for all the other vandals that destroy what we love because they hate White Men and want to tarnish or destroy our modern culture as well as for pushing their hate filled marxist ideology. You'd think communism would have been totally discredited, ya know, after the defeat of the communists in the cold war, and the FACTS of what has happened and is still happening in every single country that ever turned commie or is still communist(like China the coronavirus creator and spreader of the disease; or like North Korea a literal hell on earth Prison camp stretched out to the size of a small nation where the people are literally treated as slaves and are brainwashed and beaten and threatened to be "grateful" for being treated like cattle and beaten; I guess they are supposed to be grateful they arent turned into soylent green on the spot, instead of once they are old enough or injured to the point that they can no longer work their life away for an ungrateful N. Korea, THEN they ARE turned into soylent green regardless of how "loyal" they were), the mass deaths the oppression; everything, all the facts, Marxist leftist "professors" in "universities" hide from people and prepare words like "McCarthyism" to try to contain the truth about leftism, and spread lies about communism being some sort of utopia(for who exactly? def not the "workers"/normal people who work for a living. It is for the jews and other extreme communist leftist policy makers and their ilk though).

@miguellavariel1348

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, that was good.

@dragonfell5078

2 жыл бұрын

@@chucknorris202 You uh, hate commies do you?

@cormacpwalsh

2 жыл бұрын

According to the older account of her story, sketched by Tolkien in The Road Goes Ever On and used in The Silmarillion, Galadriel was an eager participant and leader in the rebellion of the Noldor and their flight from Valinor; she was the "only female to stand tall in those days"...that was before she had one of the Three.

@frankole121

2 жыл бұрын

Haha Well Quoted!!!

“Evil is not capable of creating anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” - J.R.R. Tolkien

@luisalandriani4670

Жыл бұрын

Are you referring to the Putin's evil empire?

@redisbad8672

Жыл бұрын

Great comment

"Modern Messaging" in a show that takes place thousands of years before an ancient fantasy world created by an author who wrote this in the trenches of World War 1?! Okay, Amazon! 🤣🤣🤣

@codinghusky5196

Жыл бұрын

The saddest thing is, the book already CONTAINS all the modern messaging. The reason why the "free nations" are in danger from Sauron is PRECISELY that their racism and bigotry keep them apart. The three books are about a group of people on a journey to overcome their prejudice, preconceptions and racism and inspire others to do the same. The entire sausagefest is basically salvaged by the ONE woman who was courageous and focused enough to counter the patriarchy and stand up, first to a manipulative politician, then to a sex abuser, THEN to her family who wanted to force her down FOR being female when she wanted to join the men in a fight, and LASTLY to the second most powerful antagonist. It's all IN the books. It's what the books are ABOUT.

As a wise Drinker once said: Step 1. Pick a really popular IP with a loyal fanbase. Step 2. Update it for ‘modern audiences.’ Step 3. Antagonize the fanbase prior to release.

@amber689

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! He does tend to be correct most of the time.

@nightwishfan1991

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Amazon has sunk so much money into this I think they will keep making seasons come hell or high water. But I expect it to be like Star Trek: Discovery where the budget gets worse and worse with every season.

@paulmurgatroyd6372

2 жыл бұрын

If you're a Tolkein fan and don't like the idea of the whole mythos being fucked around with, then you're a troll and you're always wrong. Way to get on the right side of people, Amazon. You knew it was coming and pretended to be surprised.

@kayakerdude3727

2 жыл бұрын

So true, it reads just like a computer programming flowchart of boolean if/else then loop or exit the loop logic. It's literally the same formula these woke idiots use every time... did it with Star Wars, Dr. Who, Batman(I mean Woman) and now LOTR... too predictable. Wish I had as much money to burn on a guranteed failure like they seem to have.

@elwindil8566

2 жыл бұрын

@@kayakerdude3727 they're insured, it doesn't matter if it succeeds or fails, the studios won't lose money. if anything, they'll end up with MORE money if it fails. that's how it works.

Anyone who says Game of Thrones is a "spiritual successor" to Lord of the Rings should be fired. No statement that idiotic should be tolerated.

@ianrhodes7574

2 жыл бұрын

Game of thrones is the antithesis of lord of the rings

@PROTOTYPE0

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@adsones

2 жыл бұрын

I'm genuinely curious. Why?

@nhmooytis7058

2 жыл бұрын

I’m still trying to get over PTSD from the last season of GOT.

@nhmooytis7058

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronnical2489 more like Star Wars and the Jetsons. GOT is hot garbage and GRRM is a phat phraud.

Let's be honest ... We all knew this was coming , but it hurts even more that it's here and in our faces . Truly breaks the heart that they would do this to Tolkien's masterpiece.

@r3b3lvegan89

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, we all knew this was coming back when Lucas sold lucasfilm to Disney oct 2012. It’s been one shit show after the next.

@MARMALARD49

2 жыл бұрын

If you don’t like it, then don’t watch it. It hasn’t even been released yet and people are crying. Perhaps just stick with the books if the TV show upsets you.

@CamoflaugeDinosaue

2 жыл бұрын

Watch and laugh. We've been treated to excellent adaptations to film and this garbage can't touch them

@skyto9233

2 жыл бұрын

@@r3b3lvegan89 You clearly dont know much about star wars or you havent watched the recent content

@skyto9233

2 жыл бұрын

How are you guys saying this before even watching the show

The problem is people with no attachment or love for the LOTR Universe, making a movie about it.. When you don't love something, you don't respect it either. The same thing happend with Star Wars. What a sad time to be living in. Evil people, destroying what millions love, for their own selfish gains.

@borghorsa1902

2 жыл бұрын

They are ill educated folks living in California. They got scared by all the 2020 riots and now they are virtue signaling to the rest of the world . The rest of the world is starting to reject WOKE agenda. Cultural appropriation is not tolerated.

@derealized797

2 жыл бұрын

When they mentioned coming up with this as the "series that could only happen now", i actually felt a little bit nauseous, they said that as though these are good times. They are not. This literally is absolutely the worst possible time for anything in the "entertainment industry". Also. Amazon. Whenever i hear that something is getting a sequel or prequel or reboot, or just being considered for anything. You just know it's going to be woke garbage... And here's the thing too, stories were already stale and repetitive, using the same predictable templates for movies. Hollywood sucked bad enough, and then they added wokeness to the mix.

@derealized797

2 жыл бұрын

Entertainment industry today was like a clogged toilet. And instead of fixing it, they shit in the upper tank, so it can't get any worse. That's where we're at today. This is not a good time.

@Norvik_-ug3ge

2 жыл бұрын

I think George Lucas loves Star Wars. But he still created the atrocity that was Jar Jar Binks and had Greedo shoot first. Star Wars had issues long before Kathleen Kennedy drove the final nails into its coffin. I don't think Kathleen Kennedy loves Star Wars. Her infamous statement that there was nothing existing to go on when making episodes 7, 8 and 9 is proof of that. Ignoring the many novels, including the very well written Timothy Zahn Thrawn trilogy, and the West End Games d6 roleplaying game shows she did not love Star Wars, those two things were what kept many, mainly young Star Wars fans going in the long gap from Return of the Jedi to the Special Editions. And it hasn't all been bad. Rogue One was good, Force Awakens was good, and so was The Mandalorian.

@glcsander

2 жыл бұрын

And then they proceed to insult the fans that have nothing but love to the IP to the point that they made the IP worth millions by bringing political views to an imaginarium, just respect the fans sonic edghog did and it was successful.

As a person with a Polish background I was appalled with how Netflix appropriated my culture and mythology turning The Witcher into just another generic, politically motivated Netflix fantasy show. Now Amazon is going to appropriate the other half of my culture. Why can’t the English legends and mythology be respected?

@GigglingStoners

2 жыл бұрын

According to the writer, she consulted with "her Polish friends" and they gave her the go-ahead to race-swap half the cast. Almost like she made that up...

@detectivestudios7699

2 жыл бұрын

@@GigglingStoners I really don't understand why it's seen as ok by studios to "diversify" medieval Europe, but if say, someone wanted to adapt into a film a series of African legends and would make sure to have 25% Asian people, 25% of Northern Europeans, 25% of other ethnic/cultural groups and then 25% of actual African characters in it, they would be branded as racist etc. by those very studios.

@ifo7319

2 жыл бұрын

The Witcher, in their own ideology, could have showcased “an underrepresented group in western media” i.e. the poles and Slavs. With The Witcher, LOTR and Wheel of Time they fully cemented their belief that only non European characters/stories deserve to be accurate or “represented”, and think all European cultures are the same/equally shown in media. I wonder why they don’t just write a new fantasy story with original characters…?

@skywolfc2040

2 жыл бұрын

Trust me. This Amazon LOTR show is going to make Netflix' the Witcher look like a faithful adaptation.

@surtulf

2 жыл бұрын

The Witcher has little to do with polish culture and mythology though. It is written by a pole and that is about it. The inspiration to the different things within The Witcher come from all over. It is like saying Harry Potter is English culture and mythology when it is really just litterature written by a brit. I think the only odd casting choice in The Witcher is Triss. But given how "modern" the life in the Witcher world is it is still not out of hand. It isnt supposed to be a historical representation of Poland or europe during the dark ages. It likely falls into the same timeframe as LotR or Conan, a time long before our own in between times of near or full human extinction number X. edit: Also, LotR isnt english legend or mythology either, it is pure fiction based on everything from arthurian legends, norse myths and christian/pre-christian beliefs. That said, the litterature should still be respected, especially when there are strict guidlines, including drawings coming straight from the author. If people think LotR is actual english legend or mythology I'd suggest they go back to school for a 3rd grade religion history lesson.

Go watch the extended trilogy again. It'll make you feel better

@Jacob_64

2 жыл бұрын

Lolz

@jameshurley776

2 жыл бұрын

1/4 Black have you seen reacher on Amazon

@ondrejmedelsky4416

2 жыл бұрын

You just made one Friday's Wisdom!

@NickNapoli

2 жыл бұрын

Already done Garrett.

@toothgrinder2760

2 жыл бұрын

We miss ya on LwC 1/4 Black! Which film in the trilogy is your favorite? Mine is The Fellowship of the Ring.

The Rings of Power is going to be the most expensive parody in history.

From the bottom of my heart, thank you for not being afraid to criticize this. So many Tolkien fans feigning hopefulness, nobody has the nerve to call this out for what it is.

Elves and dwarfs are characters from ancient Germanic religion and mythology. They were created by Europeans for Europeans from the deepest part of their souls. Tolkien was inspired by the ancient religion, myths, legends, and history of Europe and incorporated these in his stories. This is what gives his work depth and authenticity. Tolkien was not creating some trash fantasy novel for the whole earth. While his writings can be enjoyed by everyone, he did not write for everyone. He wanted to create a mythology for England. He explicitly states: " I had in mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, ...which I could dedicate simply: to England; my country." Replacing European actors with non-European actors to play icons of European mythology not only violates the spirit and goals of Tolkien's writings, but it is also highly disrespectful to an ancient people and their myths. Would you approve of European actors playing critical roles in African or Asian mythology? The answer is obvious.

@tototats16

2 жыл бұрын

Preach!!

@FeedMeMister

2 жыл бұрын

This is all however, meaningless to homogenised, rootless, interchangeable urbanites.

@Thollis1987

2 жыл бұрын

True!

@bEtHeSdA_LAME_sTuDi0s

2 жыл бұрын

LOL the bible has entered the chat. None of those ppl were white

@vermilion7777

2 жыл бұрын

In the new God of War, Angrboða, the giantess and mother of Hel, Fenrir and Jormundgandr is (of course) african. Germanic culture seems to be free for all....

Amazon doesn't care nor respect the work of Tolkien. This is just woke fan-fiction using the "Lord Of The Rings" name. Stick to the books and extended blu-rays.

@hughgedney3393

2 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@jamesmacleod671

2 жыл бұрын

And don't forget the BBC radio play with Ian Holm and Michael Hordern as well as the LOTR audio book brilliantly read by Rob Inglis. to hell with this woke box ticking nonsense, I just watch old movies and t.v. series now that is free from all of that, and the good thing about that is there is a lifetime's material to watch and a lot of that I have not seen.

@nievesdarling

2 жыл бұрын

I miss the days when weird fan-fiction was relegated to FFN and Live-Journal not shoved down our throats at every turn.

@I_Don_t_want_a_handle

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesmacleod671 I read the books, tv and radio are perversions of nature ... ;)

@jasonshirrillmusic

2 жыл бұрын

all about more money

Why does a fantasy world need to reflect “the way the world looks”?

"Come up with the book Tolkien never wrote..." Yep. That says it all, lol.

I’m Latino and I’m aware that Tolkien sought to create a British mythology, therefore the vast majority of characters SHOULD be white (as the vast majority of British people are white). The flips sjw’s and Twitter activist do for garbage shows such as these are laughable.

@TheLegendaryBillCipher

2 жыл бұрын

You have to understand: these are the same people who would use "Latinx" because they think it's being inclusive. They're inclusive to the point that they're offensive and, as usual, exclusive.

@waylonmercy1533

2 жыл бұрын

Who cares?

@4u5t

2 жыл бұрын

@@waylonmercy1533Reasonable people, real fans, etc.

@spartanK42

2 жыл бұрын

What's funny is they could've found a way to include non white actors that would actually make sense lore-wise and even flesh out Middle Earth more than the films did.

@UwU5437

2 жыл бұрын

@@waylonmercy1533 because franchises make money and succeed thx to us buying their sheit? Wtf is entertainment without an audience, drop the anti/pro woke BS, capitalism period.

Tolkien: Makes a timeless tale with a timeless message Amazon: Makes a modern tale with a modern message Guess which one is going to last?

@CteCrassus

2 жыл бұрын

I'm rather flabbergasted that you got the entire message out of pretty much scraps and less than two minutes of footage.

@elias_xp95

2 жыл бұрын

@@CteCrassus We’ve been following the entire production. All the changes. The death of Christopher. The reimplementation of bad ideas. We all know what this is.

@Gryffster

2 жыл бұрын

@@CteCrassus Probably that and the statements made by the people involved.

@treyriver5676

2 жыл бұрын

Correction "The message" as per Critical Drinker.

@MephiticMiasma

2 жыл бұрын

It will soon be dated. Unlike many of the people who are writing it.

My faith in humanity is restored after I watched a couple of reaction videos to this travesty. I love how the LotR/Tolkien fans rose up in unity and are standing up for the things they love in no uncompromising terms. At first, I thought I would just ignore the Amazon crap altogether but if I'm not going to stand up for Tolkien, what am I going to stand up for? So yeah, I'm going to plant my flag on this hill and die on it, screeching my head off against every abomination that I will see. And if that makes me every kind of -ist anyone wants to call me, then fine. Bring it.

@vindikaktus

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like someone needs to touch some grass

@sessy01

2 жыл бұрын

@@vindikaktus Good idea, always scope out the battlefield.

@karlheinzvonkroemann2217

2 жыл бұрын

Congrats, not many people take the brain time to stand up for anything important to the futures of the children. It is good that there's a stirring in the right direction but most all of the media is just nonsensical woke propaganda. It's all over all forms of media and inserted everywhere, even in the classics. Shows made or based on authors like Tolkien don't need to be made in to propaganda vehicles and used on the majority of unsuspecting adults and children who absorb the messaging without even noticing it's going on. According to many psychological studies over the years that would be about about 80% of us that believe what we see on the tube without question.

@Beduddu

2 жыл бұрын

Sadky we are not enough

@TUCOMPANERI

2 жыл бұрын

@@vindikaktus look, a sjw crying. good job girl, this is your first kill in the battle.

Let’s be real The Tolkien Universe is one of the last great stories to fall to political correctness such a tragedy that it was inevitable.

@secondchance6603

Жыл бұрын

If only people would focus on the importance of understanding the past on its own terms instead of projecting modern ideas and attitudes back into the past.

As a renowned 21st century philosopher once said - “Everything woke turns to sh*t.”

@porkflaps4717

2 жыл бұрын

A leader, philosopher, a punk rocker,, AN AMERICAN,, a great man who will ONCE AGAIN become the leader of this great nation.

@jonbaxter2254

2 жыл бұрын

Shit, even Lenin spoke about the useful idiots

@SamtheBravesFan

2 жыл бұрын

And I'm sick and tired of hearing this evoked. I'm no liberal, but constantly parroting this like a liberal doesn't get anything done. I don't think I can do anything but I do know parroting a slogan isn't going to do anything either.

@scipioninja

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamtheBravesFan Where's the lie at?

@scipioninja

2 жыл бұрын

One of my personal favorite of his quotes, right after, "I've never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke."

"Can we come up with the novel Tolkien never wrote?" No. The answer is no.

@Degarth

2 жыл бұрын

Can we take Tolkien and ruin it, though? Yes. Yes, we will.

@scarysunburns7733

2 жыл бұрын

Literally the Bible and every other book in the world is the book Tolkien never wrote. Such a weird way for these Amazon urchins to sell it

@nurityalieva3852

2 жыл бұрын

Well, the published silmarillion is exactly that… we will never know, there are many versions to crucial parts of the legendarium

@AndrossUT

2 жыл бұрын

So wait you think JRR Tolkien wrote and published the Silmarillion? As a single book? While he was alive?

@andres3665

2 жыл бұрын

The answer is yes. but that's not what we want.

I now present "The 4 stages of a bad woke adaptation" 1. Hey it's pretty cool that they're adding new content to this franchise that I've loved since I was a young child. 2. Hmm, they don't seem to be taking the previously established lore seriously that I've loved and learned for a long time. 3. The content is now released and doesn't seem to be doing so well. I would like to offer constructive criticism for the lore aspects and cinematic aspects of this content so it hopefully improves. 4. People who disagree with me are now putting words in my mouth and spreading a false narrative that I'm a violent nazi who hates the diversity of the media and bothing else and they're arguing about how I'm the enemy and how I'm a big baby for not accepting it as the best thing to ever happen to this franchise.

@censored1080

2 жыл бұрын

Well said, and I think the reason why I've come to love a series like Beast Wars is because it did the exact opposite. 1. Tried to revive the franchise with a change so drastic that it was guaranteed to cause backlash 2. Brought in a creative team who had next to no knowledge of the franchise 3. A creative team who not only listened to the fans but actively participated in the fan forums and incorporated their ideas and suggestions into later episodes 4. Became the standard that every piece of Transformers media is compared to.

@dougieranger

Жыл бұрын

Well summarised.

@Ihavehadmanynames7779

Жыл бұрын

And repeat

I particularly love the fact that Galadriel and Elrond aged backwards for about 200 years to look different in this series than they did in Lord of the Rings

@markusmuller7362

2 жыл бұрын

Galadriel looks like Jeanne d'arc

Oh FFS, Galadriel was taught by Melian the Mayar to be a powerful sorceress, she uses magic, political clout and sheer intelligence NOT brute force! And even at the start of the second age she was THOUSANDS of years old not some young brash trollop, there was a reason she was given one of the rings of power!

@colinbielat8558

2 жыл бұрын

Not only that, she was the last living child of finfarfin, the true high king of the Noldor as well as by the second age, the last of Noldor leaders who lead them out of valinor left alive. Meaning she is literally one of the last elves in middle earth who has seen the light of the two trees. Her value to her people is incalculable and no one would allow her to take to the field of battle. Gil-Galad would never allow his aunt to lead his people in war as it would risk her life but it would also make Gil-Galad appear weak to his people.

@christianschulz1443

2 жыл бұрын

There are more elves alive from valinor, but you are spot on about her importance

What I find funny is that Tolkien's books have the underline story of Nature and Culture being destroyed by Machinery and Mass Production and how we need to look after our Nature and Culture and cherish it and knowing this and then seeing Amazon LITERALLY doing everything that Tolkien hated to his books honestly hurts me inside. This man was a war hero and the best fantasy writer of all time and he gets treated like rubbish. Horrible.

@Self84

2 жыл бұрын

Pues no lo veas y ya para que lloras

@pol139

2 жыл бұрын

I never rly got that from his books. I doubt he was anything less than proud of humanities industrialization and ingenuity. I think it had more to do with the ravages of war after ww1 and 2

@franek_izerski

2 жыл бұрын

Well then you know you got a (cultural) war on your hands. Time for the Last Alliance!!!

@andivon8886

2 жыл бұрын

@@pol139 Well, in some ways Tolkien's heroes are the yeoman-farmer types, idealized by the Hobbits. Thus, the anti-modernity themes are very strong. After all, this is a man who never purchased a car, even after making millions with the sales of his books.

@CleverGirlAAH

2 жыл бұрын

@@andivon8886 This. The hero is the farmer. Frodo is incorruptible, because he already had everything he needed in life. The ring couldn't tempt him with power, or desire.

"Зло не может создать ничего нового, оно может только испортить и разрушить то, что изобрели или создали добрые силы" - J.R.R.Tolkien

@carboncopy5753

2 жыл бұрын

Im a newer fan to tolkiens work and Im beginning to read the books Ive seen this quote around and have learned what it means but what language is it?

@r3b3lvegan89

2 жыл бұрын

Russian is my guess. Or possibly northeastern European dialect.

@carboncopy5753

2 жыл бұрын

@@r3b3lvegan89 Thanks!

@alexanderguzov

2 жыл бұрын

@@carboncopy5753 It's Russian. And unfortunately, it is not an exact quote to be honest. Tolkien never wrote that exact sentence (in English). It is a kind of generalized quote generated by the community :)

@timothymcdevitt4981

2 жыл бұрын

So true

As a Tolkien fan since I was a little kid, (some years before the LOTR films), this is unsurprising, but still offensive from all indications so far. Sounds like the a-holes that made this series intended goal was essentially taking a big 💩 on classicial FANTASY literature by infectiing and distorting it with idiotic IRL political agendas. Hopefully, going "woke" means going broke for this one. Needless to say, it's very unlikely I'll ever watch any of it.

@twall415

2 жыл бұрын

Good riddance, fair-weather fan!

@skyto9233

2 жыл бұрын

What a massive lotr fan you are lmfao

@cyberedge881

2 жыл бұрын

@Tom Wallace You were never a fan in the first place if you're okay with the horrific bastardization they're presenting.

Peter Jackson said they were careful to put Tolkien’s messages into the movie and not their own. I wonder if that had something to do with the success of his trilogy.

@maliziosoeperverso1697

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kul-tegin There is no "political agenda". It's about making as much money as possible by pandering to as many people as possible.

@jameson3500

2 жыл бұрын

@@maliziosoeperverso1697 It's not about money at this point, it's about propaganda and destruction of anything white.

@chrissonofpear1384

2 жыл бұрын

If maybe done more to 'tap into other markets', than to consciously destroy what's white... presumably. But not for certain. Money is usually enough, for such hamfisted decisions.

@razvansfirlogea3134

2 жыл бұрын

​@@jameson3500 Yes and no. They would never willingly bankrupt themselves just to destroy "anything white". They will profit from this in less obvious ways maybe, but they will anyway. Remember that this show is under no pressure to perform at the box office, since it won't ever be seen in a theater. Amazon will just add it to Prime, where it is free to make some of that money back over many years. The show will probably never be in the green anytime soon but the real value lies in the fact that Amazon will now have a firm foot in the door concerning this property, which no one else has. They want to have something "grand" on their portfolio, like HBO has GoT - the last 2-3 seasons of which sucked badly but overall was and still is highly regarded. They will not make this show for the actual old-school fans. They will make it for the mass-market NPCs, who see it - talk about it for 15 minutes with coworkers over a cig - and move on to the next hyped thing. Stuff like this is meant to be appealing to investors, not fans.

@Revan-293

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameson3500 no, it’s very much about making money.

Tolkien: Builds his world with the precision of a clocksmith Amazon: Sends in some hacks with sledgehammers

@nurityalieva3852

2 жыл бұрын

Do you even read Unfinished Tales? Do you even know there are 12 volumes of history of middle earth? Tolkien’s legendarium is far from cohesive, even the published silmarillion isn’t what Tolkien would have done, is a work made by his son and Guy Gavriel Kay There are drafts of steampunk numenor even

@white0thunderwhite0thunder71

2 жыл бұрын

What takes years to build something beautiful can be destroyed in mere seconds by people who decided that it wasn't the kind of message they wanted... even if everyone else does.

@CteCrassus

2 жыл бұрын

​@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 Are the books goona be burned and banned or something? Seems to me that the source will remain no matter how many interpetations are made that might piss you off.

@AerysTMD

2 жыл бұрын

Next up on Amazon Prime - "Romance of the Three Kangdoms: Faster Furiouser" Starring Vin Diesel, The Rock, Jason Statham & Charlize Theron.

@Cryo837

2 жыл бұрын

Mutilation of the greatest work of fantasy fiction in human history....is criminal. What a Joke....Go woke Go Broke

"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made" - J. R. R. Tolkien

The new LOTR trailer looked more like I was watching Peter Pan more than LOTRs.

I recall Tolkien saying this was supposed to be a fantasy origin story of England, similar to how many German folk tales exist. Last I checked, that would mean the characters would be.... you know.... racially British.....

@RAZGR1Z

2 жыл бұрын

Remember when Dr. Who said history is white-washed?

@ModernGamesSuck

2 жыл бұрын

@@RAZGR1Z That show went woke a long time ago

@r.e.z9428

2 жыл бұрын

You saw what they did to the Witcher. Who cares if it's make no geographical sense.

@ModernGamesSuck

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.e.z9428 It's simply a requirement at this point. Anything white must no longer be white because they all think whites are evil but the reality is that apparently Africa and the Middle East don't have any folklore. Or at least that's what they must think.

@jonbaxter2254

2 жыл бұрын

I have heard from many "reliable" sources that Saxon England was mostly black. Whites just sort of... turned up?

I am Nigerian, I have loved LoTR since I watched Bakshi's cartoon as a kid, read all the books...But I was afraid of this. Tolkien created Middle-earth based off English, Germanic and possibly Finnish cultures. Look, the reason why I think the books and Jackson's movies worked were because of these... you don't read the sagas expecting to see an African dwarf or elf. You don't read the sagas expecting to see some form of Gender equality - Tolkien's stories on Middle-earth are like the Sagas. People might say oh, it's fantasy and whatnot, but Tolkien took it seriously, and wanted some form of Authenticity to the point he built a language with Etymological meanings! I wished Hollywood understood this, because the fans really understand it. /rant over

@Hero_Of_Old

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@malcolmthorne9779

2 жыл бұрын

This! Exactly! Thank you for pointing this out. What they're doing to LOTR is no different than, say, if they were to make a show about Shaka Zulu but cast Europeans or Asians for every character (which I'd hate to see just as much). It just doesn't make sense and it's a slap in the face to the culture and the people from whom the story originates. It just goes to show how incredibly ignorant (and racist!) these woke people actually are. There are so many stories and so much rich history from Africa and other non-European places to be told. But these moronic woke parasites won't make the effort of researching those and telling stories that haven't been told before. They don't have the talent or intelligence to create something new so they just latch onto an established franchise and run it into the ground.

@harmenschouten4370

2 жыл бұрын

And the world of Tolkien in the books is multicultural! Harad, Easterlings, inspired by Asian, African and Arab culture. Why not focus on characters of colour that actually come from those area's

@dnl043

2 жыл бұрын

@@harmenschouten4370 exactly, would have been so much easier

@lautarob9858

2 жыл бұрын

We want More african mythological tales, and no diverse European tales! We are all united against the evil, this Is a war

Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made. ~ J.R.R. Tolkien.

I remember getting really mad about the new Star Wars movies, because I'm a prequel and George Lucas fan, but this is another level. I used to be really into Tolkien, until I learned the hard way no one else around me does (A.K. I got bullied for like his works a lot in middle school) and I feel like I'm better off for it, because I am just sick of being upset of these woke reboots.

Anyone who thinks Game of Thrones is LotR “spiritual successor” should be locked away forever into the deepest pits of Angband.

@michaelpettersson4919

2 жыл бұрын

Once they are owned by the same entities they can, sadly combine them force them into the same world. I suspect things like that are going to happen eventually.

@ldorman

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronnical2489 GoT was definitely inspired by LotR

@Cydonius1

2 жыл бұрын

and sodomized twice a day by a Balrog of Morgoth

@snowywhite2160

2 жыл бұрын

Better throw them out from the door of the night

@ZoroBr7684

2 жыл бұрын

It's fantasy it's LotR related. Bruh that's something someone would say if they don't like fantasy.

This is what you get each and every time Hollywood "culturally appropriates" an English classic, and as a proud Englishmen, I am getting sick of it The reason Peter Jackson's movies are so good is because he respected the lore, only cutting or changing that which didn't fit into a 2 hour movie that well, and yes, I know there was Arwen but it was done in a way that respectfully worked around the lore rather than running roughshod over it.

@agnidas5816

2 жыл бұрын

He did not respect the lore. The actors working on the project made him stick to the books. He was going way off in nearly every scene ...

@GeraltofRivia22

2 жыл бұрын

@@agnidas5816 where can I read more about that?

@CristiNeagu

2 жыл бұрын

And let's not forget that Christopher Tolkien was furious with the outcome of Peter Jackson's trilogy. What his descendants have allowed his father's legacy to become... is just sad. I can only imagine what the two of them would have thought of it.

@LawrenceCaldwellAuthor

2 жыл бұрын

Two hour movie? Lol, what version of Lord of the Rings are you watching, pal? Because I've never heard of no two hour version...

@christianschulz1443

2 жыл бұрын

While i respect your views on the matter i have to point out that it is also rooted in anglo-saxon and nordic/german lore. I think this hits all of us not just the english and should be defended by all europeans

Well you were 100% right, the worst script writing I have seen, not even considering the butchering of JRR Tolkiens' work.....

"Evil can not create anything new, it can only spoil and destroy what good forces have invented or created" - J.R.R Tolkien

Garys beard is more LOTR at this point then Amazon’s version of LOtR.

@hamdinger7145

2 жыл бұрын

Funny

Mr. H hit the nail on the head. These people calling you racist for complaining about an impossible black dwarf would have their brains short circuit if you would say "Ok...what if there were random white and Asian people in Wakanda? Would that make sense?"

@dimitriwarchief301

2 жыл бұрын

We need to actually say this to them and not just make it into comments

@matronmalice9867

2 жыл бұрын

@Edmonton Man Yeah I just mock them. Fuck em. I don't need their approval.

@paullatina7413

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@ktoth29

2 жыл бұрын

The way this argument goes is that the need for representation only cuts in one direction because of "historical oppression" aka "reasons". They use mistreatment of certain members of the in-group in the past to justify mistreatment of all persons who are not members of the in-group in the present.

@mwfmtnman

2 жыл бұрын

That was one of my first thought too lol

If you want to create a "modern, diverse", or whatever you may call it, series just do it. Imagine your own one! Why destroy Tolkien???

@hendrasutrisno4191

2 жыл бұрын

Cause they know it will not sell?

Im not and elf, nor a dwarf, nor a numenorian that lives hundreds of years, but i love their tale and the history about them, guess what? Most people dont have the narcisistic obssesion to see thenselves in everything to actually like it...

"Evil cannot create, only corrupt" - Tolkien These words are so applicable to Amazon, show made by the wrong people for the wrong people

@patrickmccabe2078

2 жыл бұрын

So tolkien was talking about nerdrotic. He doesnt create anything just bitches and moans about stupid shit constantly

@Self84

2 жыл бұрын

Cry about it

@n4s98

2 жыл бұрын

@@Self84 you mean criticise is like an actual intellectual that respects source material

@jamiemcaloon5548

2 жыл бұрын

@@Self84 No we won't cry, but only laugh as Jeff pisses $1 billion against a wall lol

@DVankeuren

2 жыл бұрын

applicable to Hollywood and any major filmmakers in general. Almost noone creates these days, they are too lazy and just want to twist what came before them and try to profit off of the work of others.

"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made" thank you Tolknien for giving us a warning for what was to come.

@white0thunderwhite0thunder71

2 жыл бұрын

Do not recognize this show as canon. Do not look at it. Do not recognize it to even exist. The moment you acknowledge it then it becomes real.

@HowDeepIsYourJesus

2 жыл бұрын

Gods you're original.

@deepzone31

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect! It makes me sad to think about the people who enable this. The Hollyweird people who co-opt the works of others and bastardize them are expected. The people who ask to be fed this shit are the real ones to blame. I've been pissed at Amazon ever since they made Greer a Muslim and John Kelly an angry black man.

@Cryo837

2 жыл бұрын

Mutilation of the greatest work of fantasy fiction in human history....is criminal. What a Joke....Go woke Go Broke

@AndrossUT

2 жыл бұрын

He was actually talking about you dipshits trying to turn Tolkien into some kinda nationalist posthumously. He literally created a polyglottal, polycultural world full of different racial groups lol.

I remember when movies were about entertainment, not political propaganda. Good times...

That interview at 11:20, where the woke writer talks about how hard they looked for a region of the Tolkien work to apply their "diversity"....not only was absolute cringe, but it's sad to see how far political activism have taken hold of entertainment.

@joetheinfant8891

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Like, this is a fantasy world, in a fantasy series. Why the hell should we be THIS concerned with giving these fictional people “the voices they never gotten”?

Oh this is definitely the "novel that Tolkien NEVER wrote," the only thing they got right.

I think they learned nothing from Game of Thrones when the makers used their own brains to write the story and completely ruined the series. This Amazon's series will have the same fate. I say we protect the books and pass it on to future generations to keep Tolkien's work alive forever. I will not be surprised if Amazon comes out and try to claim they have written it better than Tolkein.

“We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves.” ~ Peter Jackson

@odhinn9

Жыл бұрын

I will never understand why people simply can't understand this crucial viewpoint to take when adapting an important piece of literature into a movie/show. It's so fucking simple, but people just can't fucking help themselves.

After seeing what Amazon did to The Wheel of Time, I have no faith in their ability to adequately adapt LOTR.

Its so sad that the original motivation of Tolkien was to create mythology for the people's of England because their own had been destroyed and forgotten, only to have that same thing happen again less than a century later.

@pyndahvickers946

2 жыл бұрын

It just makes this all the more sad. It’s a damn good point though.

@user-pw2gg6py1g

2 жыл бұрын

what about jake gyllenhaal playing the prince of persia, dude it’s just a show and a fantasy one at that if you seriously have a problem with a few black characters in a “fantasy show” than you have a problem and need to grow up.

@spiritgum

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-pw2gg6py1g Right, because everybody here just adored Gyllenhaal as the Prince.

@madcyborg1822

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-pw2gg6py1g Literally no one liked Gyllenhaal as the Prince of Persia, I myself cringed at that. The new Vikings show on Netflix changed a historically Scandinavian white king to a black woman. And yet we are called racist when we want Tolkien's works to stay true to their roots.

@epis8613

2 жыл бұрын

I'm still holding my breath for a true adaption of lotr. Every adaption so far has been corrupted by diversity. Even Jackson's trilogy cast an American mongrel rather than a pure-blooded Anglo-Saxon to portray the supposed King of the Anglo-Saxons. Disgraceful. They should have examined the pedigrees of each actor before considering casting them.

Amazon has delved too greedily, too talentlessly, and too deeply... You Shall Not Pass!

“Evil cannot create anything new, it can only spoil and destroy what good forces have invented or created” - J.R.R.Tolkien

I thought Gary was joking about Galadriel being a warrior leader... Then I saw the marketing for the show. Galadriel was powerful through her counsel and magic, not by being warrior princess.

@thespyingeyeofmordor

2 жыл бұрын

By being a warrior princess, she violated the Laws and Customs of the Eldar. The only exception is only the Firat Kinslaying, which Feanor was a pure jackass, but she's not in charge; Finarfin, Fingolfin or her eldest brother did.

@nurityalieva3852

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think she escaped the sack of Eregion in a pretty dress though

@duckduckgoose4111

2 жыл бұрын

@@nurityalieva3852 More likely than that she did so in generic plate armor from medieval Europe.

I couldn't stop laughing at every "as if Tolkien didn't write enough characters"

@marinos1682

2 жыл бұрын

For right

@sadturinman

2 жыл бұрын

well for a TV show... no there arent... wtf

@mygoogle1594

2 жыл бұрын

6:50 Joan of Arc?

"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt" - JRR Tolkien

8:15 "i'm thinking you missed a great oportunity here" "Daddy chill" LOL

Calling Game of Thrones a spiritual successor to Lord of the Rings feels like an insult.

@branchofyggdrasil7073

2 жыл бұрын

It is

I’m just so relieved that it appears fans across the board are finally waking up and seeing what we have all along. Maybe it really will flop on release after all! People are finally recognizing it for what it is!

@GigglingStoners

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, the numbers of fans are small in comparison to the normies who will keep paying for Prime. And that's why Amazon is doing this.

@kwazhims3lf

2 жыл бұрын

@@GigglingStoners "the ratio" agreed, pop into a youtubers vid on praising amazon brand tm lawd of the rangs vid, leave a criticism, and bask in the onslaught of *_SALT_* these people will gobble anything up

@hypnotichistorian8152

2 жыл бұрын

You wouldn't say that if you were in some of the LOTR Facebook groups that I'm in lol

@danielledaniel1900

2 жыл бұрын

@@hypnotichistorian8152 the Facebook fan pages are bad. I had been called racist and they are not afraid to throw it around. They are very disrespectful of Tolkien

@wordragon

2 жыл бұрын

@@GigglingStoners -Actually, Amazon will know if people are watching and engaged or disgusted and turning it off. The have metrics for everything. And, regardless of their philosophy, at the end it is a business and if all of these shows come back as failures, they will change course. Money plays a role on both sides of the production coin.

Wait, that dude is a SILVAN elf? **insane laughter intensifies*

Thanks for the heads up, I could barely tolerate the changes in the Hobbit movie. It seems movie makers no longer care if fans want them to follow the authors story.

Original LOTR: “Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power”

@berserkshirtbear1271

2 жыл бұрын

A billion+ dollars

As a man of Latin descend and a absolute lover of Tolkien’s work. Let me predict, this is a disaster. Woke nonsense. I hope fans avoid this and let it fall into the nothingness that awaits it.

@jordangreyling8820

2 жыл бұрын

I agree the best thing to do is to avoid it but sadly I think curiosity will get the best of most People, Jeff knows what he is doing by investing in an already established franchise, and that's all it is to him, an investment

@himalayantongue

2 жыл бұрын

I know I'm not watching a second of it.

@user-pw2gg6py1g

2 жыл бұрын

what about jake gyllenhaal playing the prince of persia, dude it’s just a show and a fantasy one at that if you seriously have a problem with a few black characters in a “fantasy show” than you have a problem and need to grow up.

@planetschlock

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that people should just not watch this, but also need to be vocal about why they refuse to watch it. That way, whenever someone searches for Amazon LotR, all they see are posts and videos about how big of a piece of shit it is. This is important because the garbage people making "entertainment" like this don't care about losing money, they care about virtual asspats from other garbage people for regurgitating their retarded Twitter politics. But when all they see is articles and videos about how their show is trash, it defeats the purpose and they move on. I believe if people were silent about Netflix Bebop, it would have gotten at least another season out of sheer spite.

@nessus47

2 жыл бұрын

I hope this garbage show goes up in flame. Not wasting a second of my time on it.

1:08 sooo, I googled “Galadriel appearance description” and this is what I got: _”Galadriel was specially tall and beautiful, even among the Noldor, and her hair was the most notable feature about her. It reminded the Eldar of the light of the Two Trees. At least in her earlier years, was of a somewhat proud and rebellious nature.Mar 6, 2022 Hair color: Radiant gold-silver; (cf. Hair of Galadriel)”_ That _”…somewhat proud and rebellious nature”_ bit is what I expect to be the theme of this show’s protagonist.

LOTR: (gets woke) Me: YOU SHALL NOT PASS… into my living room.

"It felt only natural to us that an adaption of Tolkein's work should reflect what the world actually looks like." What?! So are they going to have elves drive around in cars? Rivendell is going to be full of high rise office blocks? Dwarfs are going to be stopped by the police and asked if they have permits for their war axes?

@toweypat

2 жыл бұрын

What, you don't have a Magic Ring Store in your town?

@Chris-ji4iu

2 жыл бұрын

I would actually watch that at least to see if it was any good. I will not be watching this. Instead I will re-read the books beginning with The Hobbit and try to banish any memory of movies. Then I may watch the extended versions of Jackson's LOTR ( how he could get the LORT so right and The Hobbit so wrong ...sigh)

@dgtheone

2 жыл бұрын

Actually - the statement was made to reflect that the real world is not just white. Nothing wrong with that.

@Norvik_-ug3ge

2 жыл бұрын

It's not even correct. The USA is, arguably, somewhat racially diverse, in that it has a significant non-white population, even if an awful lot of that non-white population is geographically limited. But let's take it as sufficiently 'diverse'. Many European countries, places like Iceland, Norway, or Finland, the very places, along with Anglo-Saxon England, whose myths, sagas, languages, and folktales Tolkien drew inspiration from when creating his Middle-Earth world, have almost no non-white population. Even with years and years of refugee/asylum seekers. Similarly many African/Asian countries have almost zero white population. 'The World' is, mostly, not racially diverse, it is mono-ethnic, look at China, or India, or Indonesia. So reflecting 'the world as it is' would mean a LotR where the elves live here, and the humans live there, and there isn't much assimilation. Hobbits live in the Shire, there are no elves there for Bilbo to meet because Tolkien's world is not diverse, it's actually just like our world where we live largely in ethnic silos, with the white democracies being a mix of races but only to a certain degree, and geographically limited.

@Norvik_-ug3ge

2 жыл бұрын

@@dgtheone What has the real world got to do with a fantasy world based on a real world time and place, dark ages Europe, that was NOT racially diverse whatsoever? Can you imagine a Chinese film studio making a film of an ancient Chinese legend, and casting white European actors in the roles of Chinese sorcerers or bandits or martial arts heroes? It's okay for some stories to be told by white people about other white people. It's not racist, anymore than the Colour Purple is racist because it is almost entirely about black characters. There are non-white humans in Middle-Earth, for example the land of Harad is a Middle East analogue, but no one is complaining about that. Because they were not shoved in there by woke hacks, Tolkien created that. What people object to is these utterly untalented hack writers and their idiot producers casting non-white actors and actresses in white roles just to proclaim how woke they are, and thinking they can write a better Tolkien script/book than Tolkien did.

This is so sad, I feel like my entire childhood has been betrayed, I remember watching LOTR with my older brothers and just totally falling in love with the movies and the later the books, i use to watch the extended versions when I was sad, it was truly my solace and now look at this shit.

They are doing the same thing with LOTR that Amazon did to The Wheel of Time. Bastardization out the ass. Colour me not-watching.

This is literally pissing on Tolkien's grave at this point. I am very saddened by this and I am glad we were lucky enough to see Peter Jackson's Lotr trilogy before all the woke leftist agenda arose in the world and ruined all beloved franchises

@slipknuts

2 жыл бұрын

Lol they’ll just do remakes to pat themselves on the back.

@jesusrodrigo9955

2 жыл бұрын

The worse part is how many true Tolkien fans who have youtube channels they were angry about the hobbit movie and the tolkien movie because wasn't good or cannon but now they just give excuses to this abomination and claim that would be good.

@Pandaemoni

2 жыл бұрын

Christopher Tolkien would disagree with Peter Jackson's LOTR being respectful of his father's work. He said of those films, "The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has overwhelmed me. The commercialization has reduced the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing." I think that is an erudite way of saying Peter Jackson was pissing on his father's grave. Yet, ultimately, Tolkien's LOTR survives Jackson's films and the two complement each other. The Amazon series seems likely to take bigger liberties than Jackson (though Jackson did take liberties), but Tolkien made changes from the sources he was inspired by too. That just how art works. Will the Amazon series be good? Probably not, most TV series are not. But if it turns out to be well written then you shouldn't hate it simply because it deviates from the source material. The present day conceptions of Sherlock Holmes, Dracula, Frankenstein's monster, Robin Hood, King Arthur, Thor and many other stories are often very different from the source material in which thise figures arose. There's room for the Marvel's Thor along side Norse mythological Thor, without anyone pissing on anyone else.

@D0NU75

2 жыл бұрын

it is revolting to me how the first people to enable the destroying of his work are the closest to him, his family and protectors/friends/admirers of his work, bunch of woke hypocrites.

@mikel6090

2 жыл бұрын

@@jesusrodrigo9955 True fans don't exist. Don't gatekeep. I love LOTR but I also can recognize that these are FAKE stories. They're not real and not based on history at all. Meaning what? Race doesn't have to be accurate.

The funniest part of all the backlash is that Amazon knew there would be backlash. That’s why they didn’t want to release a trailer because they knew that would only draw more attention to the backlash.

@jonjenaye1911

2 жыл бұрын

Amazon knows that everyone will watch this, and they also know that showing non-white characters will make them more money than only showing white characters. They've most likely literally done the math. Absolutely soul-less corporate greed, nothing more. But it is still funny to watch racist morons get mad

@esyphillis101

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonjenaye1911 if they knew everyone would watch this they would have given a trailer anyway. Hate watching still drives up their stock value. Boycotting doesn’t. That they didn’t give a trailer shows they knew their subscriptions would drop.

@Soybean13

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonjenaye1911 yeah i'm still gonna watch this.... On pirate website

@white0thunderwhite0thunder71

2 жыл бұрын

They don't care, they see dollar signs so they're gonna force this down ALL our throats and expect to be thanked and paid for it.

@FBFTheRagingWarrior

2 жыл бұрын

Why the fuck do something you know people wont like. I dont understand them, even other ethnicities want to watch a true adaption.

Absolutely spot on and I agree with all your points. Keep up the good work 👍🏼

Here’s the thing, as they are clearly adding characters and using lesser known plot arcs or the story, they will have little to go on as far as leaning on Tolkien’s existing narratives. It’s not just Tolkien’s world building that is so great, but the story within. In this case Amazon can’t rely on a fleshed out story. So they’re going to have to concoct a narrative around a few existing guide posts. It’s probably why they chose this route, because it had the fewest constraints. We all saw what happened to GOT when they ran out of Martin. Even with a rough outline they still managed to bungle 5 great seasons and one average season with 2 truncated seasons. Amazon assumes the lack of a fleshed out narrative is a bonus that allows them carte blanche to write whatever. It will absolutely be their downfall. The assumption here is that it’s Tolkien’s world alone that has appeal and that any story in Middle earth will be successful by proxy. But a shite story that takes place in Middle Earth is still a shite story. And the one thing they did have going for them, Tolkien’s world is now being Morgothed. That’s my own neologism, synonymous with corruption. So not only do they not have an actual Tolkien narrative to follow, they’ve altered the world we love so much.

Showrunners: "Can we come up with a novel that Tolkien never did?" Me: "No. No you can't. Stop."

@Olinser

2 жыл бұрын

Showrunners: Give us a billion dollars and we'll come up with a better story than Tolkien did! Jeff Bezos: OK Actual LOTR fans: Surprised Pikachu face And if they had a fraction of the talent Tolkien did, they would be writing their own worldwide bestseller, not working on a crappy Amazon TV series.

@filthycasual1752

2 жыл бұрын

The gall. The arrogance…

@PeggyR70

2 жыл бұрын

This was their first mistake. I am cringing already thinking about the dumb uninspired Tolkienesque dialog that is likely coming our way.

@jackmiller1405

2 жыл бұрын

@@filthycasual1752 from two guys with NO OTHER CREDITS. My mind is blown that they were even given this shot. And their hubris, my Lord...

@jonathancooper4914

2 жыл бұрын

As if they know better than Tolkien…

As a writer, let me tell you that no one else can put their name on a story but the author. These people are delusional. I was a film student who wanted to unite people with my stories, and now I hate Hollywood and can't wait to watch it fall. They all deserve to fail at this point. Shame on every single one of them. I'm totally done. I am not paying another cent to these people. There's a reason the book is always better than the movie. Same with the music industry. They're all a bunch of elites who are trying to rule the world and our kids get obsessed with people for no reason besides the fact they're being glorified. Heroes don't wear capes. That's the point. People aren't characters, they're human and can't be canceled. People need to wake up. There's a lot of political stuff happening in the world right now and I have a feeling this is all a big distraction and a shoe-in for what they are really trying to do. No way this is all a coincidence.

@nulltheworm

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. This show is nothing but degenerate, neoliberal, garbage fanfiction. Tolkien's Legendarium is being disrespected, but not despoiled.

@user-pw2gg6py1g

2 жыл бұрын

what about jake gyllenhaal playing the prince of persia, dude it’s just a show and a fantasy one at that if you seriously have a problem with a few black characters in a “fantasy show” than you have a problem and need to grow up.

@keithmorris5104

2 жыл бұрын

as a wannabe writer, i'll wait you in the hall of the writer gods, nicole

@iw9472

2 жыл бұрын

If I can follow you or support you in any way, let me know!!

@mctorus

2 жыл бұрын

satanists rewriting the history, miss

Meanwhile we have this strange galadriel wearing the star of Feanor... which would never happen.

The “battle tested Virgin Mary” joke got me. It also got me thinking; the best known female warrior, Joan of Arc never actually fought in any of the battles which she led. She led from the front, and almost died after being shot by a crossbow, but she never personally killed anyone, if Mark Twain’s biography on her can be trusted. It would have been interesting if they did something like that in Rings of power.

This is going to make The Hobbit Trilogy look like a Magnum Opus.

I can't think of a franchise that hasn't been destroyed by woke hollywood nutjobs. It was only a matter of time before they came for middle earth.

@SubToNoWhiteGuiltOnYoutube

2 жыл бұрын

They will never stop. Their thirst is never quenched.

@doomguy6391

2 жыл бұрын

I'm just surprised it took them this long

@Revan-293

2 жыл бұрын

Star Wars wasn’t. Well, it wasn’t destroyed by wokeness as you put it. It was just destroyed by terrible writing and a lack of planning and coordination, but even then that only really ruined the sequel trilogy. The rest of the Disney Star Wars content is pretty solid.

@sarson25

2 жыл бұрын

@@Revan-293 sounds like wokeness to me buddy🤣 i really dont care about your opinion because mine is that wokeness destroyed star wars and every other popular franchise that has gone to shit

@Revan-293

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarson25 so wokeness now means terrible story writing and lack of planning? Seems like you just call anything you don’t like wokeness.

I absolutely lost it at the "WHAT THE HELL IS EVEN THAT" clip.

Why is it that every culture and race can have they're own stories and mythology, but when it has to do with white European culture, it's racist and not allowed. It's ridiculous.

Its crazy to me how "us" Tolkien fans have to defend ourselves against accusations of things like racist and homophobia. Its absolutely fucking mindblowing to me why modern politics and modern culture have to infest such a PERFECT FANTASY UNIVERSE!

@szymongolac7853

2 жыл бұрын

@@frojutsu Your existence is debatable.

@BriarHaven

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, why did all those white people invade countries and perform colonialism... And we have remnants of it today showing that only white people deserve roles about European history when in fact we know Europe was somewhat diverse from historical records. For example genetically archaeologists have recently found that Vikings were not so blond and were genetically diverse?

Why did they pick Lord of the Rings if they were going to destroy it? Why didn't they just make an entirely new story.

@iamprivate18

2 жыл бұрын

They DONT make new things, ever. The point is to destroy beloved franchises primarily created by white men!

@kwazhims3lf

2 жыл бұрын

@@iamprivate18 there is no "benefit of the doubt" or reserving doubt anymore... it just keeps happening over and over again.. its *_M_* *_A_* *_L_* *_I_* *_C_* *_E_*

@Apollo890

2 жыл бұрын

They have not got the talent to write a decent story. If they did they would. All they can ever do is steal someone else's better work and try and twist it's popularity to their benefit.

"The Shadow Can Only Mock, It Cannot Make." J.R.R. Tolkien Too bad this quote comes to be true with Amazon's adaptation...or better said deviation.

We need to have a contest where anyone can put in Silmarillion-based movie/show story ideas (with a brief abstract and then a slightly more detailed synopsis) where we the people can vote on them, so if you like the sound of an abstract, then you can click on that submission and check out the idea in more depth, and then whatever story wins the popular vote, we start an international fundraiser, and then we find amateur filmmakers with great audition pieces already out (and many amateur filmmaking crews could compete by posting audition-type short films or other such promotional material as well as explain their motives for wanting to take on this grave responsibility, and we appoint a team (perhaps vote on them as well) and they produce the story that we, the fandom, want. Screw Disney and screw Hollywood. There are so many amazing artists and actors that no one has ever heard of because they aren’t in Hollywood. We could seriously join together and make our own masterpiece that truly adheres faithfully to the source material.

It’s funny, when I watched the Korean Film Parasite, I never stopped to think “this film would be amazing, if only it had a more diverse cast”

The speed with which they released article after article excusing this mess and attacking the fans as ists and phobes for not agreeing or wanting their obvious woke agenda is so laughably transparent. These people have no shame and now JRR Tolkien's work gets to suffer because of it.

@maniac.chopper

2 жыл бұрын

Tolkien's work won't suffer I think. Fortunately, it is eternally imprinted into texts he has left for us and this half-baked disaster won't change that ever. Moreover, it will emphasize how detailed and coherent Tolkien's work is and how we should treasure it.

@leradmuiel7634

2 жыл бұрын

Have the original trilogy and the Books. Those are the true TLOTR, not this pandering dumpster fire.

@lodrezzon

2 жыл бұрын

It's pretty simple. Just don't watch it. Let the fruit die on the vine. Period.

@jonjenaye1911

2 жыл бұрын

Well if you think black people don't exist in tolkien's world, you are both ignorant and racist. Actual fans know that LOTR is supposed to be historical record, of Earth. Which has black people on it. So only ignorant fans mad that non-white people are on screen would say something stupid.

9:59 😆 goddamn. I legit thought for a moment the new show was going to do a deep dive about how morogth made trolls. I remember reading trolls were corrupted ents just as orcs were corrupted elves. I really got excited for about 2 seconds there, Gary.

"Зло не способно сотворить ничего нового оно может лишь искажать и разрушает то, что было изобретено или сделано силами добра" J.R.R. Tolkien

Tolkien often had the theme of corruption of men with time in his stories, but there is no way he could have conceived the abomination that this new show is.

@kayleemichelson4019

2 жыл бұрын

Christopher Tolkien saw it coming though.. shame he isn't alive any more to protect hes fathers legacy.

@MrAwrsomeness

2 жыл бұрын

@@kayleemichelson4019 tolkien grandson is a disgrace, selling out his family work

Studios keep “fixing” IPs for modern times. Alienating and pissing off the fan base and pissing on the source material. The only way this stops is 1. Fans don’t support this and 2. People make competitive stories that don’t try to fix things. Happy to see yourself and a few other youtubers push back on shows that “improve” the source material.

@EnigmaticCanadian

2 жыл бұрын

Oh look! Another show I will NEVER watch. Don't respect the lore, you don't respect the IP or fans. GENERATIONS of fans. I have the LoTR Movies in various formats. I have the books. I don't need someone's fan fiction knock-off bullshit being passed as anything in the Middle-Earth setting.

@zoghunter82318

2 жыл бұрын

Or wake up to the fact the world has a ju problem...

@buckaroobonzai9847

2 жыл бұрын

I would love a second small budget animation of the main parts of the Second Age that stay true to the lore, which would be better then a massive budget live action post modern over-pop version. I would watch both, then know that the truer animated version would be the one to last agelessly.

@mattstakeontheancients7594

2 жыл бұрын

@@Name-cz5jj that’s what kills me. Most POC could care less about shit like this. It’s white liberals that feel guilty and want to make things fair. Unfortunately most of the people making media belong in this camp. Here is to hoping the stuff Gina is in will do well. Think if people with good ideas could get crowd funding we could do some damage. Imagine most of the blue collar in Hollywood think this shit is a ridiculous as most of us do.

@michaelpettersson4919

2 жыл бұрын

At least Conan are out of copyright now so competetive lore adherent productions can be made. Tolkiens work doesn't get such protection however, not for many decades to come.

To be fair about Galadriel, Tolkien did wrote this on Galadriel back in Aman in Unfinished Tales: *"Her [Galadriel's] mother-name was Nerwen 'man-maiden', and she grew to be tall beyond the measure even of the women of the Noldor; she was strong of body, mind, and will, a match for both the loremasters and the athletes of the Eldar in the days of their youth"* and in Letters: *[She] was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair like a crown when taking part in athletic feats."* But still in the Second Age she is definently not supposed to be young or brash, and we do not have any evidence for her participating in actual combat with armor and sword. Though she defiently used her magic against armies.

I mostly agree, except for a few points about Galadriel - particularly any comparison between her and the Virgin Mary. Galadriel was very rebellious, prideful and headstrong, particularly in the First Age. Her "mother name" is Nerwen meaning "man maiden" because she is tall, athletic and mighty. She takes part in the rebellion against the Valar but continues to hold an abiding reverence for them. In this way, she is conflicted. She is not conflicted in her disregard for Feanor (maker of the Silmarils and the reason for most of the Elf trouble in the First Age). It is implied but not explicitly stated in Lost Tales that she physically fights against Feanor's host in the Kinslaying. Kind of a 50/50 call as to whether she is a warrior-maiden, but maybe acceptable if they use those armor scenes are flashbacks to the First Age. Galadriel wanted a place to rule and order on her own, outside the tutelage of the Valar or any other authority. She was prideful and haughty to the point of being nearly as bad as Feanor- not the loving, God-fearing, figure we Catholics revere as the Virgin Mary. She refused the pardon of the Valar just because. The passage in LOTR when she refuses the ring is that much more impactful in knowing that she had been so intractable and desirous of ruling for thousands of years. That is why it is called the Trial of Galadriel. By the Third Age, she is weary of the struggle and "has come fully into her wisdaom." This is the gentle, wise, prophesying Galadriel we see in LOTR, but it is the culmination of an onerous personal journey.

"Can we come up with the novel Tolkien never wrote?" Jesus...The level of ego

With the money and backing this series has they could have hired top tier writing talent and made their own fantasy series hiring black stars as the main characters but of course why do that when they can corrupt a established franchise. This is a fantasy series so the need to shove 'modern ideals' into the show is laughable.

@VioletDeathRei

2 жыл бұрын

They could have even kept it in lore with say a story about the Easterlings who stretch far into Lord of the Rings history. But you'd have to actually have writers which is likely to much to ask.

@NobleBruv

2 жыл бұрын

@@VioletDeathRei they couldn't do that, because they can't write stories where brown people are the bad guys.

@VioletDeathRei

2 жыл бұрын

@@NobleBruv Which is a crime against those groups because villain stories are more fun. Everyone secretly roots for a good villain, and a good villain has real grievances and a cause.

The "Wheres the beard" hard cut to gimli HEHEHEHEHEHE had me dying

I always want to see a tv show high budget about silmarillion... Why they do this, beren and luthien, golfindel vs the balrog, morgoth single combat fingolfin, the siege of gondolin, what are they thinking. Tolkien is not about modern shiit, is about the god vs evil, light vs darkness, balance and nature vs greedy progress and industrial society.

So she's going to be a Rey version of Galadriel essentially: 1. Stunning, flawless and brave. Maybe the odd faux inconsequential challenge thrown in to create an illusion of flaw or peril. 2. Young and inexperienced but already has all the powers and competence she needs without a narrative of earning them. 3. She'll routinely roll her eyes at and give speeches about all the useless white inherently corrupt characters wrecking the world, whilst condescendingly over-praising all the black elves, hobbits and men who are the 'true hope for Middle Earth'.

@jonathancooper4914

2 жыл бұрын

So a Mary-Sue to end all Mary-Sues.

@maxheadroom4659

2 жыл бұрын

The aragorn stand in already confirms this. he's "running" from something. kind of like jake skywalker. men weak of character trope.

@ghxstleader485

2 жыл бұрын

These people need to burn in hell

@thespyingeyeofmordor

2 жыл бұрын

That will make Feanor laugh, and will make all of his actions justified.

@InfinityX2

2 жыл бұрын

I sadly laugh at the “young and abrasive” in the Second Age when talking about someone who was born in the Year of the Trees 🙄

I mean from what I remember Galadriel was more of a warrior in the first age, but I think this takes place in the second age so it still feels out of place.