I hope Amazon loses so much money on this ill conceived fan fiction.

@samuelhayden5163

Жыл бұрын

Its not fanfiction if they hate the series, is there a word for that?

@iancredible-

Жыл бұрын

There is no doubt at all this series will fail.

@NessaGorneth

Жыл бұрын

Key word being ill-conceived. Fanfic writers usually respect the lore and canon, and can create amazing content…unlike the makers of this show.

@JoseRamirez-vb1sk

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter if they lose money. It will become a business write off. If they make money that's a positive for them. They had such a bad quarter that they probably would welcome it.

@Adamguy2003

Жыл бұрын

@M1ddleBroth3r They will. They've spent almost a billion dollars on 'The Rings of Power' (Almost four times what the Peter Jackson trilogy cost to make), and it's pretty much guaranteed to flop, so yeah, they're going to take a MAJOR loss over it.

Calling nerds bullies is a total joke. We grew up with this stuff and were the ones truly bullied for loving the material. And you think you can just walk in, take over and call us the oppressors?.... Absolute bottom feeding human beings.

@Sierra-xi2ty

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely underrated comment.

@COMMANDandConquer199

Жыл бұрын

It's the same with every single hobby we had. Anime, games, films, even tcg and tabletop. They've infested and destroyed everything like a fucking cancer.

@ahoramazda6864

Жыл бұрын

Well, let's be honest - old fans can be harsh or even prejudiced towards new fans. For example, fans of Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 overestimate their favorite games and underestimate Fallout 3, although some of its not-so-great ideas were taken from classic developers. But at least Bethesda had an explanation for why they changed the game and its style so radically. They needed a new and young audience that was not used to complex 2D games. In the case of Amazon - I do not understand their intention. Minorities in the main roles will not cause contentment of wokies and the minorities themselves, for the average viewer, such an inaccurate casting for a fan-made movie. If you don't believe me and think I'm a racist, google the Dungeons & Dragons adaptation. Then for some reason the viewer was not impressed by the black elves, but now it's "stunning and brave" for some reasons.

@ClaytonStone895

Жыл бұрын

Chill, nerd. The point is that a bunch of dorky crybabies are angry that nonwhite actors and women are part of this series.

@AeneasGemini

Жыл бұрын

@@ahoramazda6864 Your example of Fallout is silly, fans of the old games are entirely entitled to their preferences. Let's say that again *preference* not prejudice. They fell in love with the style of the original (very fair given that they chose to play them as they were) and it's reasonable for them to dislike the change. Furthermore, Fallout 3 is generally one of the weakest in the Fallout series, and I say that as an overall fan of the new style of game (Fallout: New Vegas is one of the best games ever written). It's quite reasonable for people to dislike 3 for that reason alone, let alone the fact it's made in a style they don't connect with. Your whole point is flawed as it takes entirely reasonable personal taste and tries to twist that into something bad. I suspect that you're a butthurt fan of Fallout 3 that can't accept it's the worst game of the whole franchise

A 50-year-old book is so good that it inspires oscar-winning movies, should never need to be altered. Tolkien created a wonderful and rich world. These people need to write their own best sellers and make movies about those books.

@BW022

Жыл бұрын

The Fellowship Rings was first published in 1954 with Return of the King published a year later -- making it 67 or 68 years old. The Hobbit was released in 1937 -- making it 85 years old.

@evenstar1608

Жыл бұрын

The geniuses of Amazon never heard of that. So they bought the name of Tolkien and put their ghostwriters of wokies.

@jackbotman

Жыл бұрын

Write their won best sellers 🤣 Nothing these people do are good

I stood by when they slowly destroyed The Terminator franchise. I was silent when they butchered every 70/80s Harrison Ford character. I looked away when they killed the Star Wars franchise. I couldn't believe my eyes when they transformed Master of the Universe into a diverse feminism show. I will not sit by and allow them to butcher what is arguably humankind's greatest work of fantasy!

@CaptainCoolzCT-

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant fantasy stories such as LOTR don’t deserve to die at the hands of these weirdos. If LOTR falls, there'll be few left, such as the western-inspired Xenoblade (a brilliant story & game if I might say, you should check it out if you haven’t already).

@erickgarza3370

Жыл бұрын

Sound the horn, Gondor rides once more.

At no point do the words "LOTR Expert" and "TikTok" belong in the same sentence.

@cyberleaderandy1

Жыл бұрын

They aren't LotR experts, they are Amazon shills. Real experts like Peter Jackson would defend Tolkien and not say it can be adapted to insert modern political activist beliefs.

@zachofthebattery2864

Жыл бұрын

damn right my friend

@undefinedvariable8085

Жыл бұрын

"Expert" and "TikTok" in general.

@kayskaht2052

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

@zachofthebattery2864

Жыл бұрын

@@undefinedvariable8085 based

"We want Lord of the Rings to better represent reality." _makes army 50%, women_

@josephippolito1402

Жыл бұрын

Bruh.

@luisnunes3863

Жыл бұрын

Reality as in it's real in their pointy heads.

@druunderwood5602

Жыл бұрын

@@luisnunes3863 Coneheads is a masterpiece.

@josephnolan8217

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the exact same thing. There is no equality in todays armed forces, plumbers, construction workers, etc etc... this is real fantasy.

@viscountrainbows6452

Жыл бұрын

@@josephnolan8217 Wahmen demanding equal pay/respect as a firefighter for sitting at a desk. Laughable. I don't ever see a garbagewoman, either. I would actually love to see a world where more women are willing to sign up for these dangerous/dirty jobs and get themselves up to standard, just to make this 4th wave feminism scheiße be irrelevant once and for all. But I'm afraid we are a mite too far for that to be common sensibility.

As an artist myself, the idea of some random people trying to "improve" someone elses work of art is just ridiculous and idiotic crap at best, those people are not artists, they are drones, nothing more nothing less. And drones can not create any type of good art form, and that includes most of the entertaiment industry.

@jasonhopkins1584

Жыл бұрын

With nary a modicum of creativity in the lot - they are creatively and morally bankrupt husks.

@creativecolours2022

Жыл бұрын

I'm an artist myself and I totally agree with you. This series is an attempt of hijack one of the most famous works of literature.

@courtneycherry5582

Жыл бұрын

I really really wish laws protected other people's art after the creator passes. No adaptations are needed most of the time anyway. I feel horrible for anyone who creates anything original nowadays.

As Elrond said in the return of the king “ they are all scattered, divided, leaderless, and Gandalf replies saying “there is one could unite them”. And Tolkien did 💪🏽

The fact that these people can break their arms patting themselves on the back while they vandalize Tolkien's work is just sickening.

@navyblues84

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but since they're calcium deficient and riddled with soy it's also unsurprising.

@clogs4956

Жыл бұрын

They can twist their sad little minds through even greater contortions in order to serve The Message.

@SirKanti1

Жыл бұрын

Love how people are declaring it awful before they have even seen the fucking thing yet. Something about book covers

@JP-vj7fp

Жыл бұрын

@@SirKanti1 It’s not a book. It’s a tv series. We’ve seen images of it. We’ve listened to the stated sociopolitical goals of the people making it.

@SirKanti1

Жыл бұрын

@@JP-vj7fp yea and it retarded to judge what going to be 40 hours of tv on a 1 minute trailer.

What we learned today: They are so open-minded that if you disagree with them, there is something psychologically wrong with you They are so open-minded that they need to change Tolkien's beliefs because they are different from theirs They are so open-minded that they can't understand other people's aggressive reactions to a beloved franchise being attacked

@TaddiestMason

Жыл бұрын

ignore the rhetoric-focus on the actions. hypocrites say one thing and do another.

@chippyjohnx7927

Жыл бұрын

They are so open minded that their brains fell out

@SpottedHares

Жыл бұрын

@@TaddiestMason they should start a KZread channel they would fit right in.

@kaizokujimbei143

Жыл бұрын

They are so open-minded that they couldn't possibly be a bunch of narcissists.

@sifuhotman1300

Жыл бұрын

Something nice to read: The Screwtape Letters is a Christian apologetic novel by C. S. Lewis and dedicated to J. R. R. Tolkien. The Cold War opposition between the West and the Communist World is explicitly discussed as a backdrop to the educational issues. Screwtape and other demons are portrayed as consciously using the subversion of education and intellectual thought in the West to bring about its overthrow by the communist enemy from without and within. Oooooh, the wokies won't like it at all when their useful idiot consoomers realize that Tolkien and Lewis were against their woke antics. Lewis perfectly described the symptoms of what we now are seeing today with the woke radicals in the education system.

´´No one wants to admit they're wrong, thats require a high grade of emotional intelligence.¨ This part broke me.

Part of the success of the lord of the rings, in its early life, was due to its revivification of medieval romanticism (an unpopular genre at the time of publishing), it stood out precisely because of its rejection of modernity, a fact Amazon ignores, and in doing so, fails to realise the broader impact the lord of the rings had for promoting "out-dated" medieval ideals of chivalry, steadfastness and fellowship. No deep thought has gone into this, 'blinded by greed' (Aragorn) they have taken this project on without question.

Tolkien: "Orc women exist but not as soldiers" Idiots: "Tolkien clearly states there are female orc soldiers"

@lilacfantasy4

Жыл бұрын

As a woman, I have absolutely no desire to see representation in orcs.

@charlesstanford1310

Жыл бұрын

Accepting the necessity of female orcs, I don't see the possibility of love or loyalty between orc parents. I don't imagine orcs pair-bonding. I imagine the female orcs have the temperament of Miss Trunchbull. I imagine that orc mating is lustful but not tender, that orc babies are born somewhat self-sufficient, to minimize the infanticides that orc mothers would naturally commit. In short, I imagine that orc culture should properly be imagined as violent and misogynistic, and that feminists should not look for any redeeming features therein, not even just because the species happens to be sexed. Human women would get no better treatment from female orcs than from males. Maybe some people want to believe that as a human woman, you'd be able to duck into an orc-harem and all the poor oppressed orc women would take pity on you and show you the beautiful hidden side of their culture that might prevail if only the male orcs would go away or all get killed off and then the race of orcs would become a matriarchy and be peaceful and happy. That's totally wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if some people want to write it in. Or, even more shallow, that we should be able to cheer the presence of female orcs fighting because that's badass, and so evil characters get reduced to something purely aesthetic, with little moral meaning left in the story, except for the inclusiveness of representation. The meaning shifts from the story to the meta-story. That's totally wrong too, but that seems to be the moral calculus of these goons.

@ClaytonStone895

Жыл бұрын

@@lilacfantasy4 No one cares

@SFarri145

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesstanford1310 I think generally, the geniuses at Amazon like to take every opportunity to gray out any possible definition of good or evil. One of the things I have always loved (and seek to emulate in my own story-telling) is the stark contrast between good and evil that Tolkien expressed. This black-and-white juxtaposition of morals allows characters like Boromir, Frodo, and even Aragorn (to an extent) to have very observable (and relatable) struggles between right and wrong, duty and desire. When everything is gray, and anyone can be ‘good’ or ‘bad’ based on no discernible moral criteria whatsoever, it cheapens what it means to take the high road and to sacrifice for that greater good. It also allows ‘bad’ characters to more easily slip away from the inconveniences of the realities of their sins. This allows woke society to justify themselves in the mirror of the worlds they create through art. Rome fell for similar reasons. So, sure! Make Orcs a simply ‘misunderstood’ equally-moral people. In the name of equity make everyone equally good regardless of their choices and actions. Forget the sinful, evil and utterly corrupting powers that spawned them, Orcs are just like you and me. It’s not like they were specifically written as a literary representation of everything repulsive, vile and coarse in the human soul. Making objectively immoral people and decisions equal to their moral counterparts certainly fits the narrative the Woke crowd favor. Bit of a tangent. Sorry. But I like what you said! ;)

@klavier285

Жыл бұрын

Not only will they have orc women soldiers but I'll bet they'll have some female orc general that commands all the orcs, probably making all the male orcs look like pathetic losers.

As a British person, I feel like Amazon should be sued/charged with the destruction/violation of part of my culture and cultural heritage. If they dared to do this to any "minorities" cultural art or cultural heritage they'd be cancelled so fast by the woke crowd and the same people who are circle jerking over this disgusting corruption of art.

@The_last_loyalty

Жыл бұрын

Ditto, and I agree absolutely about what the reaction would be if this belonged to any other culture. For some reason, British culture has become not just a legitimate but even an approved target for destruction. Wasn't it Marx who said that the first step towards wiping out a nation was to wipe out its history? Tolkien's work is a part of our literary inheritance. It does not need updating or "improving", it should be respected and portrayed as the stunning creation it is. But, the way the world is going, I suppose there was never any chance of that!

@commander72

Жыл бұрын

Should be charges for the entire English speaking world. Tolkien is one of the most influential authors ever.

@georgemartin3576

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention the fact that Tolkien’s work is heavily inspired by Anglo-Saxon legends and beliefs, so not only is this corruption of a more modern piece of literary culture but from another perspective the hijacking of ancient English traditions and culture by a soulless foreign mega corporation and a bunch of wet wipes.

@taboowriter9229

Жыл бұрын

There is no group more oppressed historically than british persons.

@haidenhill6358

Жыл бұрын

I guess that's karma what goes around comes around , you destroyed the world now they are destroying your world .

I love how much Amazon is panicking. They are doing everything they can to make everyone accept this before it's even released. It's the most expensive television show ever made and it's already doomed to fail. You know they are in damage control already and it's hilarious

@bot_Est1989

Жыл бұрын

No different than Disney calling any fan that thought Reva was a shit character a bigot before the show even dropped.

@HexenStar

Жыл бұрын

I hope they do go bankrupt and erased from this world. This could be the beginning of a much needed reality check and a wake up call.

@thecodebrief

Жыл бұрын

@@HexenStar Amazon is an absolute behemoth. People don't often know this - but their consumer side is literally funded by their AWS server side that powers major companies + US government in many areas - that's what makes all those deals really possible. This will be a VERY painful lesson for them and hopefully the rest of hollywood is watching to see what happens - but they'll get right back on the horse.

@Joelthek

Жыл бұрын

it is delicious.

The Projection here is off the charts: Thorne is struggling to understand why people don't like the Rings of Power because she doesn't know why she likes it at all, and she offers multiple suggestions as explanations because she never even read a tweet from a critical fan. Even worse is her trying to blame it on "boys socialization", because she feels she's not in the "true fan" clique?

The sheer f*cking hubris on these people. My God. "Why do these people care so much?" - Seriously? If we didn't love, appreciate, care, & honor Tolkien's work, Amazon wouldn't have spent (allegedly) BILLIONS of dollars for the rights they have. These people are supposedly educated, right? The stumbling through the gender norm part was nauseating.

@loverlei79

Жыл бұрын

The funny thing was they quoted female dwarves look like males and then whine about a misconcieved notion that fans are mad about that. Like no. We're mad because Amazon made them look like oprah Barbi dolls. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️

@rammisalami

Жыл бұрын

Their arrogance and self-indulgence won’t allow them to view life from any other vantage. They focus the brunt of their retort on buzzwords and deconstructing them. So much that the actual point of the criticism goes right over their heads.

@nightwishfan1991

Жыл бұрын

I hate this argument so much because, yes. I have memorabilia of these franchises all over my house because these properties connected to me in some way. It just amazes me to see people that call themselves "fans" and don't seem to care when something they claim to love is getting disemboweled before them. They think this is an own to us fans, but really they end up just outing themselves as frauds.

@LordRykard9376

Жыл бұрын

She openly stated what all progressives believe: they are the enlightened and they must educated the sullied masses who believe in tradition, mythos, canonical works, and objective reality.

@tommerker8063

Жыл бұрын

@@rammisalami not to mention that anything even remotely critical of their agenda is immediately disregarded as being put forward by trolls

Well said. They buy up the rights to franchises we love. Abuse them, in the most shameless way imaginable. Then, to add insult to injury, they accuse *us* of gatekeeping when we question their woke/preposterous interpretation.

@Redmile2006

Жыл бұрын

All of this was beyond predictable. Best way to give them the finger is to not watch it!

@charlesatanasio1622

Жыл бұрын

They dont need to accuse me, Ill gladly own gatekeeping for Tolkein. If its worth defending its worth gatekeeping.

@jacob4920

Жыл бұрын

If these people had any kind of imagination, they would make up their own stories, and try to convey their message through them. History tells us that creative people did a very good job with that sort of thing. These people are not creative. Otherwise, why would they continue to try and plunder stuff that has already been made? All they know how to do is subvert that which they already know about. Because that doesn't require a creative imagination. In fact, it barely requires any creativity at all. "The message" is all that matters to them. Why would they understand what is truly precious to any fanbase, if they themselves have never been a fan of anything?? Only the most bitter types of individuals take such sadistic pleasure in ruining other peoples' favorite things, just to teach some kind of lesson those fans never wanted to be taught in the first place!

@JZ-gx8tb

Жыл бұрын

Did the Tolkien estate sell the rights to Amazon? If they did , why? They refused to sell The Silmarillion rights to Jackson but they sold it to Amazon?

@mikespearwood3914

Жыл бұрын

@@JZ-gx8tb I think because Christopher Tolkien died. His sons (or whoever's of Tolkien's grandkids is now in control?) apparently doesn't care enough to stop the vandalization.

Tolkien took over 20 years to write Lord of the Rings. He wrote a masterpiece. All they can do is shit on it. Make your own stories, vultures!

The smugness of someone chastising those who wouldn't consider that they might be wrong by those who are guilty of that exact crime is mind boggling

when i was listening to her talk about the "psychology" of gate keeping and how fans "reject" new information and then "double down" all i could think was "wow, this lady is projecting so hard right now" during this podcast interview all she did was talk about her own emotional limitations and didn't even realize it!

@makeitsonumberone1358

Жыл бұрын

Don't you think she sounded like geeky sparkles lol, even though she wouldn't say this shite.

@Duncangafney1

Жыл бұрын

Ironic that a "psychologist" cannot even see the hypocrisy in their own statements.

@MrlspPrt

Жыл бұрын

@@Duncangafney1 or she could be what I call "enlightened hypocrisy", she's aware of being hypocrite.

@nate5995

Жыл бұрын

Same bro

@MHAAAAANZ

Жыл бұрын

Woman☕️

You know, it never ceases to amaze me that a story written almost 70 years ago and his been translated into 70 languages AND has outsold the Bible at points; can be viewed as non-inclusive. Think about ALL of the cultures represented by those translations; they didn't need an elf of color, a female orc or a Joan of Arc wanna be Galadriel. I guess the one translation missing, was for the 0.4%.

@JustaGuy_Gaming

Жыл бұрын

Remember if they don't have a character exactly like you, both physically and mentally you can't enjoy something any more.

@sifuhotman1300

Жыл бұрын

Here, a theological work, written for Tolkien: The Screwtape Letters is a Christian apologetic novel by C. S. Lewis and dedicated to J. R. R. Tolkien. The Cold War opposition between the West and the Communist World is explicitly discussed as a backdrop to the educational issues. Screwtape and other demons are portrayed as consciously using the subversion of education and intellectual thought in the West to bring about its overthrow by the communist enemy from without and within. Oooooh, the wokies won't like it at all when their useful idiot consoomers realize that Tolkien and Lewis were against their woke antics. Lewis perfectly described the symptoms of what we now are seeing today with the woke radicals in the education system. Tolkien and his gang of intellectual nerds are but fervent enemies of the woke. No wonder the woke wants to deconstruct and subvert their works to their own twisted image.

@MrlspPrt

Жыл бұрын

Trans Vigo the Carpathian*

@mr.doctorcaptain1124

Жыл бұрын

@@JustaGuy_Gaming thank God no one told 8 year old white kid me that about Michael Jordan.... would have sucked to know I'm not allowed to admire that man's work ethic.

@ClaytonStone895

Жыл бұрын

@@JustaGuy_Gaming It seems like a lot of incels (no offense) can’t enjoy this series because there are (nonwhite) people that don’t look like them.

That entire segment where she uses the universal "we", "people are like" etc, she's describing her own personality.

7:45 She describes it as limiting the art and creativity to normalize the orcs so they become indistinguishable from orcs from other franchises. They are literally taking what made it unique and removing it and somehow in her mind that means art and creativity. What's the difference between these orcs and those from the Elder Scrolls or Warcraft now? How is that creativity?

I'm actually in a theater right now, before minions there was a 'trailer' for rings of power which was literally a young black kid 'finding his people' by going to watch Rings of Power. Literally THE ONLY scene from the actual show was the Galadrial hanging on a cliff scene. So 2 months before release their full length trailer in a movie theater has 3 seconds of actual footage. This show is a disaster and they know it.

@lingricen8077

Жыл бұрын

I still can’t get over that ‘scene’. How do you managed to grab a dagger with two hands bulkily covered by gauntlets? its not possible

@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148

Жыл бұрын

@@lingricen8077 Not only that but the the weight of the armor would yank you straight off.

She has both NO idea about Tolkien and NO respect for Tolkien.

The problem is that Amazon thinks the LotR universe is 'broken.' And now they are attempting to fix something that isn't broke in their own way.

@sloht4061

Жыл бұрын

naaa, they're trying to re-market something massively popular and important to so many people to the current generation, thus offering them more money and fame away from the original writer. This has nothing to do with fixing something and everything to do with appropriating media for the masses of plebs who get offended by the smallest things. It's as if everyone never got bullied in their lives, never developed a sense of strength and self-will and never accepted that some people differ in opinion and differ in expectations and that doesn't make them an "enemy" it just makes them an individual who finds something important. "Ohh women need to exist as something that never did up until the 1980s and black people have to take part because it makes sense during a world based on anglo-saxon england" A man who fought in WW1 amongst men and only men now has to look down and see the story he developed to replicate his own experiences tarnished because the mass populace "wont like it".

"I always assumed they were a-gendered" which translates into "I was never that interested in Lord of the Rings and can't be asked to check".

Is it bad that, whenever a new series or movie comes out, I immediately get bummed because I know its going to suck? Don't y'all just LOVE Disney and Amazon?

@ArionNoble

Жыл бұрын

Are you also "suck-psychic"?

@luckybones8749

Жыл бұрын

Yeah thor is gonna be thors stupid yay women...

@Mystra

Жыл бұрын

Hawkeye and Loki was great

@nightlyrowentree6047

Жыл бұрын

Yeah most movies that have come out sucks so I watch other people react to it before I watch it so I know if it's even worth the thought of seeing it my self

@crazyfingers619

Жыл бұрын

Deeper than that, we know most everyone in this world is hired based on their idiology, not their talent and work ethic. Everything is going to shyte, not just entertainment, it's just most obvious there. The levers of power have been subverted by smarmy do nothings, and they are gatekeeping us from making things better.

Let's be real. If there were female orcs.....they'd be treated in a way that we can't even talk about in today's world. There's a reason that all the slaves in "Shadow of Mordor" were men, and the women were only in cutscenes or alluded to.

@TheGary108

Жыл бұрын

It reminds me of the Darkspawn, I do think that it was where BioWare got their inspiration.

@GonzaloDaveloza

Жыл бұрын

Tolkien mentions that, there is female orcs, but they are permanently kept in the breeding pits to give birth to more orcs.

@MrlspPrt

Жыл бұрын

They're stupid, they could've retconed female orcs into a matriarchy because they're the ones who bring new warriors to the world... that's probably how Humans started (the oldest deities are generally women)... it's more intelligent than female warriors.

@vonfaustien3957

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGary108 well at least dragon ages brood mothers lose themselves to the darkspawn hivemind and are forget what was done to them. Tolkien orcs are proably straight up Goblin slayer so the slaves are perfectly aware of what's being done

@Clemppu

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Basically females would be treated as in the movie Bone Tomahawk: just breeding machines. 🤮 But seeing orcs as twisted, corrupted evil creatures doesn't fit the woke narrative where good is never entirely good and evil is not entirely evil. They call it "nuance", I call it not understanding source material.

Claire Thorne literally has the "Crazy Karen smile" as her chosen profile image... wonderful!

I do not have an issue with genders, bisexuals or anyone really. I feel like everyone should do what they please them. However, why do they want to desperately assign something that it isn't there? Of course Tolkien didn't know about so many genders or anything that the woke culture spews forth. Why is it so important to present something that it isn't there and never meant to be?

@thoth47

Жыл бұрын

because thats how you brainwash children.

When I hear people talk like this about Tolkien’s work, I have to seriously question whether they’ve read the books even ONCE! If it wasn’t so tragic, it would be hilarious.

@sinikoncar7838

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they tried to read it. And i'm pretty shure they didn't like it. But now they are the experts and want to change everything. They truly disgust me.

@jeremygriffin620

Жыл бұрын

Its a generation of "creatives" suffering from next-level Dunning-Kruger Effect.

@SuperEndiku

Жыл бұрын

They prove their fake "fandom" upon immediately opening their mouths and spewing forth current-day politics instead of Tolkien facts. It's easy to spot a pretender when you love something.

@luisnunes3863

Жыл бұрын

They're pedowood, they don't read. Period.

@sillypuppy5940

Жыл бұрын

First time I read them was almost a half a century ago (!) Apparently my opinion is of no account to these ignorant whipper-snappers.

"Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good."- Tolkien

@AeneasGemini

Жыл бұрын

It's ironic that this quote is not anything new and has only been distorted and destroyed for me by the numerous people who overuse it ad nauseam

@jamesmandahl444

Жыл бұрын

Nah it's a good quote, but it is a bit differently written I think. Still no need to rag on those using it as they are right.

@lepermessiyah5823

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmandahl444 exactly. whats ironic about it is it is literally what is happening to Tolkiens work

@Painfulldarksoul

Жыл бұрын

Everything humans create is based of previous things. ... So, the quote is quite accurate.

@Mote.

Жыл бұрын

I saw someone quote that in russian and someone quote it in Spanish and both translated perfectly.

The fact she had to choose her words so incredibly carefully to ensure she wouldn’t contradict herself is absolutely hilarious.

It's amazing how we now live in a society where nearly every reality of the world is beyond satire. From entertainment, to politics to *everything.*

@bmcfonzie

Жыл бұрын

Correct. There used to be comedy shows where children were asked the difference between males and females. Now adults (particularly those in the public) either cannot identify these differences or pretend not to be able to do so. It doesn't get any more absurd than that. Or at least I hope it doesn't.

@TheOneAndOnlycE

Жыл бұрын

we essentially live in a South Park Episode.

@baki577

Жыл бұрын

America in a nutshell

As an Englishman, these podcast of Californians, all with Az's Californian accent, sitting around and telling everyone how a story based on English culture, written by a legendary Englishman should be more inclusive to Californians - who have gone totally nuts this last decade... it's F'ING OFFENSIVE AF!

@xminusone1

Жыл бұрын

I feel you.

@harbl99

Жыл бұрын

Didn't believe cultural appropriation was a real think until I heard smug Californians saying "chuffed" and bloviating about Tolkien. Sudden outbreak of "That ain't yours to say. That's _our_ word."

@SGABlencathra

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree.

@bluefish4999

Жыл бұрын

@@harbl99 As a Yank I've appropriated your c#@t word, and I use it exclusively for the commiefornia - hollywad crowd. Signed Florida man.

When you can't tell what the gender of roaring, muscular, war-mongering and conquering orcs is you've discarded rationalism for delusion.

@TheWatcherxx99

Жыл бұрын

And left the path of wisdom

@viscountrainbows6452

Жыл бұрын

Gibbering lunatics so desperate for female representation they'll misgender a villain to pretend they have a point.

@johnsimth6587

Жыл бұрын

Rationalism.... lol.

@FilthyCasual268

Жыл бұрын

Tell me, Mono Nonny, when did Amazon abandon reason for madness?????

@mikedeck8381

Жыл бұрын

Those sort of orcs didn't really exist yet. Most of them were small stunted things that died in droves. Only a small elite were good fighters. It wasn't till the later part of the third age that Uruks showed up.

"In the end, the party would announce that two and two make five, and you would have to believe it." - George Orwell If you're wondering what's happening to Tolkiens works, just read 1984.

@marcotruschel9427

4 ай бұрын

When I heard them talk about how old works of fiction should be updated to better reflect current day, I actually had to think about the 1984 ministry of truth where all old newspapers and books are changed to be in line with the government believes.

As it turns out, most people find women being slaughtered by the thousands off putting and objectionable. I’ll be interested to see if Amazon decides to have the female half of the numenorean army run through and decapitated and pulverized by war hammers on screen or if the inclusion is just to show the women as badasses.

It makes me sick listening to these people talk for Tolkien as if they knew him or are in any position to talk about what he would want, especially when it's not even close to what he was like. Disgusting thieves.

@Vera0723

Жыл бұрын

as if they could ever understand Tolkien with their superficial and limited thinking.. none of them really cares about Tolkien and his legacy, all they love and care about is money money money.

@Tio6835

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, that’s the world we live in!

@CosmicAeon

Жыл бұрын

Wicked. Tricksy. False.

@trashl0rd

Жыл бұрын

The talk of there being some sort of necessity to "update" Tolkien is the evidence of their deceitful agenda.

@toothgrinder2760

Жыл бұрын

@@Vera0723 It’s not just about money. “The MESSAGE” is much more important.

The fact they are trying so hard to HAVE this conversation to justify altering Tolkien's work means they lost. Also I take solace in the grim satisfaction that this debacle cost billions of dollars at a time when Amazon is fairly rapidly attempting to downsize.

@littlebee7147

Жыл бұрын

I'm still laughing over the whole "some people refuse to acknowledge that they're wrong" bit. The same idea can be applied to Rings of Power - it was Amazon's belief that Tolkien fans wanted current year crap in their Tolkien show. The whole PR smearing of fans that they've been doing is their refusal to acknowledge that they were wrong. So instead of people seeing it for themselves, fighting amongst themselves and judging whether to like or hate it, Amazon stacked the deck against them. Reap what they sow.

@zionharris9432

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad that they think they've got the upper hand, they've become so bold in that we'll just take whatever they give. I hope it ends here, LOTR will be the end of the tyrannical rule the woke has on our nerd culture. It's like classic bullys vs nerds again and we all know who always comes out on top.

@tkps

Жыл бұрын

@@zionharris9432 We're lucky they picked on 'the big one'. The multi decades old, world wide, every country loves, owns copies of etc phenomena & Hollywood does not have the clout to barrel over all of us. What's interesting is they've filmed S1 in NZ (got NZ govt incentives & undertook to film it all there). Yet they packed up, lost monetary incentives, moved to the UK to sound stages that aren't built yet & won't be completed for 12 months. Netflix booked all existing spare Shepparton studios stages. Rumour is Amazon won't film S2 till S1 releases & fan reaction is gauged. Are they finally listening?

@MasticinaAkicta

Жыл бұрын

They will need to whip their shills harder! It isn't working!

@xonerate371

Жыл бұрын

They have infinite money and no accountability. This isn’t about money. Its about Oligarchy ideology.

I am praying Tolkien comes back to earth to reclaim his story from these psychopaths…

Gate keeping is ok in my mind WHEN it is PROTECTING the story from the hands of idiots.

On the fact of female dwarves: the most hilarious, and lore accurate, way to depict them is to just hire an all male cast and randomly assign the actors as female characters and play it completely straight. We the viewers and the non-dwarf races would have to play a constant guessing game on which burly bearded dwarf is male or female while they have their marital bickering or flirting

@ChampionMarauder

Жыл бұрын

That would actually be awesome. I would like to see this (don't get your hopes up Amazon I ain't watching shit from you).

@chucknorris202

Жыл бұрын

That would honestly be HILARIOUS. Maybe in some youtube short or something. I can't even bear to watch something like that from Amazon or any of these assholes vandalizing Tolkiens works though. Same reason I cant bear to ever watch anything Disney or hollyweird again; even pirated I wont watch their dogshit. I wont sit there and be insulted at every turn again like with The Worst Jedi in 2017.

@stevekirkpatrick1612

Жыл бұрын

Do we know that it didn't happen exactly that way? Jackson was somewhat particular in casting riders as people who knew the story enough to recite the charge of the Rohirrim. These would be background roles, no hero shots for any of them. Is it unbelievable then to think the same applied to people cast in roles as dwarves? The only snag is that none of the named dwarves were female (and there weren't many dwarves named to begin with), so a feminine naming convention for dwarves would be a modern creation.

@boaoftheboaians

Жыл бұрын

fair point, gimli did say something about the male and female dwarves being hard to differentiate from and in his words, outsiders think that "dwarves just spring out of holes from the ground" xD (if im remembering his words correctly)

@Kvitravn.

Жыл бұрын

Didnt gimli say in the movies that theres very few difference betwen dwarf men and women at wich point Aragorn said "Its the beard" wich would, indicate to me that dwarf men and women are More of less the same exept the women dont have beard? I could be wrong though, im Just going off the movie scene as i dont know much about the dwarf lore

13:50 - 14:48 | 15:13 - 16:34 | 17:24 - 17:35 This woman, single-handedly, in 74 seconds, exposed the entire thought process of the woke cult; 1) they know they are wrong 14:06 - 14:30 2) they don't want to change because they (woke cultists) are immature 14:33 - 14:41 3) they choose the wrong path during their *paradigm shift* conflict; they reject facts, as long as they *feel and being praised* that they are right - that's all that matters to them 15:13 - 15:44 4) they know that their self-asserting echo chamber is a real thing 17:24 - 17:35 Congratulations woman, you just played yourself! (and your entire cult)

@MrlspPrt

Жыл бұрын

This is the left, they constantly play themselves.

@sukaenacornelius9285

Жыл бұрын

I fuxkin hate wokist. Life long Tolkien fan since I moved from Iraq as a child. My first book was the Fellowship if the Ring. I’ve read most of Tolkiens and his sons work. How pathetic.

@scionofdorn9101

Жыл бұрын

It's always about narcissistic ego and the insecurity lying under its surface.

@derajalen_the_fallout_modder

Жыл бұрын

Well, done! This is exactly what I was thinking but in less detail. Learning to think like the enemy and you will experience a thousand victories. - Sun Tzu.

@jabzilla21

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Thank you for typing up this response! I couldn't have said it better myself! These Narcissistic fucks will burn for what they've done to our media!

It is like they take the house of LOTR/Tolkien and changing the sofa, the toilet, getting rid of those "hideous" curtains. Hollowing out the shell in order to bait and switch their preferences/stories.

The woman talking about psychology was actually spot on regarding people's tendency to reject any informaton that contravenes their worldview. This is especially endemic to the leftist crowd who will double down on their delusional stupidity when challenged on their erroneous beliefs.

@MrC-55

Жыл бұрын

Um it’s the right that is triggered here

@aaronbarlow4376

Жыл бұрын

@@MrC-55 The right is annoyed at the woke nonsense ruining Tolkien's legacy but the left is unable to logically and coherently defend their worldview and when questioned on it will become angry, defensive and resort to the race, gender or sexualiity cards together with ad hominems.

@MrC-55

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronbarlow4376 I just responded with the Lore itself. Which is based in the limited knowledge that Hobbits knew about the world. Passed them others added, but it was never complete or closed.

@aaronbarlow4376

Жыл бұрын

@@MrC-55 I'm not sure what you're referring to.

I'll say about Tolkien's Legendarium what I said about Star Wars: Tolkien's work isn't supposed to be "relevant." It's supposed to be TIMELESS.

@sillypuppy5940

Жыл бұрын

It cannot be both set in a quasi-medieval world (with swords and castles) and relate to 2022 (Ukraine, BLM, Wokery, etc etc). It's like painting a picture of the underworld but featuring the sky and sunshine so that we surface folk can relate to it.

It sickens me to hear anyone accuse 'nerd culture' of now becoming bullies. The unbelievable crap I had to go through between the ages of 10 and 17 because I was into Star Wars, LOTR, 40k and D&D was enough to almost drive me to suicide. To have these brainwashed moron's so casually try and flip that so 'nerds' are the bullies simply because we care about the things we were watching and reading 20, 30, 40 or more years ago is so insulting. I was a nerd before most of these people were born, I will be one long after this popularity contest and gender insanity has died out or been crushed by the 7.8 billion regular people who are sick of this narrative.

@QenaitheCustodianGuard

9 ай бұрын

We were nerds before it was cool and popular, fuck these populist pretenders.

True Tolkien fans and historians: “But as for your terms, we reject them utterly. Get you gone, for your embassy is over and death is near to you. We did not come here to waste words in treating with Amazon, faithless and accursed; still less with one of their slaves. Begone!” Excerpt From The Lord of the Rings -ISH

“What would it take for you to admit you were wrong?” -Nerdrotic That is the absolute essential question in allllll social dialogue and we all better have a really good grasp on what the answer is before we open our mouths

None of the women in Tolkien, elf or otherwise, are militant except for Eowyn. That's kind of the point of her character.

@SGABlencathra

Жыл бұрын

Except maybe Haleth? But your point still stands. Militant women in Tolkien are VERY rare.

@Ackalan

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, it's even pointed out in the books that she's an exception when they comment on her presence on the battlefield after she's brought to the house of healing.

@mrgoober6320

Жыл бұрын

​@@SGABlencathra Also a maybe on Aredhel, who carried a sword and maybe sometime killed a thing.

@MrlspPrt

Жыл бұрын

So... this Amazon trash will be diminishing one of the most important women in the lore? Fullfilling a prophecy and killing Sauron's most powerful servant is... well... I can't even describe it.

@talithakoum3922

Жыл бұрын

@@mrgoober6320 Aredhel was more of a huntress than a warrior, though.

Once again I wish I could corrupt something these people love in retaliation - but they have never created anything good of their own. The quote about evil being unable to create, only corrupt, describes The Message so well it's astonishing.

@dickmonkey-king1271

Жыл бұрын

I'm fairly sure that most culture comes from the left, to be fair. If there is even a single Hollywood film that you like then it was probably made by a leftist.

@nalublackwater9729

Жыл бұрын

They are like Morgoth, they cannot create, only twist and corrupt.

@murderous1823

Жыл бұрын

They freaked out when the new Ms frizzle for magic school bus wasn't g.ay enough. Many of them are hypocrits

@ClaytonStone895

Жыл бұрын

“Corrupt”? Dork, you haven’t even seen the series.

@adamsirin7249

Жыл бұрын

@@ClaytonStone895 lmao. I think people have seen enough 🤣

It's amazing how easy it would have been for them to make a successful series and take all our money. Just put his story on the screen.

There's so much narcissism and nepotism going on in so many industries right now. It's disgusting. It's destroying franchises.

They don’t understand what “power” means in Tolkiens work. It doesn’t mean “I big person I strong, I make thing dead”. Some characters are powerful warriors, but with someone like Galadriel, her power is of enchantment and persuasion, not raw physical ability. That’s not where her powers lie, it’s more subtle than that.

@K-yu-ko8dv

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, they made galadriel so much weaker by making her a legolas level warrior instead of one of the single most powerful beiggs I. The continent.

@bibboy4

Жыл бұрын

What about Frodo? He had the one ring at home for decades and never touched it, until Gandalf told him to do. He took the ring all the way to mordor and resisted the evil. Frodo isn't physically strong or a good fighter but he is mentally strong.

@greggaravet4932

Жыл бұрын

Until Gandalf the white, Galadriel was one of (if not) the most powerful beings on middle earth. Not by the arms but though Sorcery and will. She was feared by Sauron himself. To make her a fighter is just plain stupid.

@kahekilimaui450

Жыл бұрын

God I Love you guys 😭 🖐😂 🤣👌 Seriously though, it's nice to actually See, how many people are out there that REALLY Know Professor Tolkien's written word and intentions. In spite of the fact that it's one of the Largest literary communities in the world, We don't get chances to see our Fellowship until something comes up that forces us to defend his work.

@Aria-un9iy

Жыл бұрын

Excuse me, bigot? We’ve completely changed Galadriel into Xena Warrior Princess and you will fucking LIKE IT. SHE (or he, they AND ONLY THEY are allowed to choose their gender) IS A STRONG WOMXN AND CAN BEAT ANY MUHSOGUHNISTIC MAN IN A PHYSICAL CHALLENGE. This is what progress looks like.

This is all about the "message". They think they successfully highjacked the other loved franchises and got away with it so Tolkien should just be another one bites the dust. Except this time they chose to make a genius and his brilliant work "better". The stories are complete. There is no room for their reinterpretation. And the worst part, the people who think they can write better than Tolkien are hacks. This time they chose to go to war with real, dedicated, fans who know better and will not bend. So they can call me any name they want, I won't watch. And what gets me is these people and all their kind are completely dependent on us defeating ourselves. They are used to calling someone a racist or a bigot and that person tying themselves into knots trying to defend themselves. The only answer is, "I have no respect for you and I don't care what you think. You are not going to manipulate me."

@moonlitskylight5740

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly.

@tkps

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. If the likes of those people call me an ist/phobe, I'll wear it with pride. It has no bearing on my life whatsoever. But it grinds their gears that I don't care.

@diezohra

Жыл бұрын

The sheer hubris of thinking you could improve Tolkiens work... I'm half Asian and I never thought "oh, there should be more Asian representation in LOTR". I just love the story the way it is. And now some woke person is trying to tell me I should feel outraged? F*** off.

@Amraphel

Жыл бұрын

"Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer."

Around the 15 minute mark has some of the most amazing projection I've seen in a long time.

It's funny how desperate they are to prove they are infallibly right on this show that they bring a psychologist in to tell fans that don't like the show that their not liking the show is a pathological unwillingness to admit they are wrong.

“The socialization of how we socialize men and boys…” Clearly a well educated use of the language by the woman speaking in the podcast.

@BPond7

Жыл бұрын

She takes after Kamala Harris.

@savagetv6460

Жыл бұрын

Leftist women are a threat to America

@paulw5039

Жыл бұрын

That's some narcissistic, controlling sheet right there. Everyone who's been in an abusive relationship is having flashbacks.

@BoojayDeeth

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. they aren't coming across as having a carefully thought out viewpoint. Just shooting from the hip in an echo chamber. I also notice the constant use of "we". Who are these "we" they refer to. Do they actually mean "I". Lacking self awareness and so arrogant they can't doubt for a second that their world view is the only possible correct one? Or it is just about the self validation?

@skylx0812

Жыл бұрын

_"Like, like, um-like you know, like. Um, like..."_ Were they doing one another's hair at the time?

As described, evil cannot create anything new, only corrupt was has come before. Star Wars has fallen, Star Trek has fallen, and now Lord of the Rings.. what a sad decade.

@swokatsamsiyu3590

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the Halo series. I'm a long time fan that has played all the games, I have almost all the books etc. The moment I saw the trailer and DIDN'T hear Steven Downes' voice as the Master Chief, I knew it was going to be bad. What an absolute insult that series was! I'm glad I never bothered to actually watch it, the reviews were more than enough of a deterrent for me.

@fuckwitmcdipshit2963

Жыл бұрын

Witcher, Asoiaf, wheel of time, marvel, dc, fire and blood...

@reign4795

Жыл бұрын

Doctor Who went woke as well.

@carig121

Жыл бұрын

They actually ruined any iconic franchise they could put their hands on, fortunately for us there is practically no one left to be destroyed now, and from now on they will have to "be creative" to push their agenda, and they are not, only thing they can do is subvert what existed, this will be their downfall, like parasites without hosts.

@papayaman78

Жыл бұрын

Lord of the rings has fallen? Says you and amazon. The original is still written down, so what you cry about. You intimidated and admitting defeat... Pathetic

another real question is why not just make a different show if you want to send your message? no need to ruin someone else’s work

“There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers.

I love the Tolkien experts only being able to name 3 major characters as some evidence of deep understanding. I’m a big fan, certainly not an expert, and my knowledge dwarfs these fools. It’s such a shame.

@TheWatcherxx99

Жыл бұрын

They are fools of Took

@bhushanharripersad5716

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWatcherxx99 don't insult the Tooks.

@GryphonIndustrial

Жыл бұрын

Not even the Sackville-Baggins would stoop to this treachery.

@adrianbrockhauer129

Жыл бұрын

@@GryphonIndustrial thats because the Sackville-Baggins have principles and morals. These foul creatures have none

@samuelsmith5400

Жыл бұрын

Bunch of barrow wights and trolls I do say

"now women can see themselves in something that is pure evil" -- that literally almost made me choke on my coffee, 😆😆

@malekkuznecky613

Жыл бұрын

kek 🤣

@xlmao

Жыл бұрын

HOW DARE YOU GATE KEEP PURE EVIL, MUH PATRIARCHY!

@theMyouknow

Жыл бұрын

Mirrors do exist.

@sergf3624

Жыл бұрын

for someone who hates women this guy likes to look like one

@mr_indie_fan

Жыл бұрын

@@theMyouknow You got there before me lol

Consulting with Tolkien 'experts' on TikTok... That pretty much says it all!

In one of his letters Tolkien told films producer (Ackerman) that he will be more irritated about changes in charachters than changing of land views or even events of the story ! So if what we were shown up to this day is suppose to be a harsh changes of books charachters then this show will be exactly the opposite of what this author would've liked it to be.

Remember when companies would release a trailer for a movie with the intention of getting people hyped and not pissing everyone off?

@chongli3007

Жыл бұрын

They’re here to destroy it just like they’ve destroyed everything else. You’re supposed to be pissed off and demoralized. Do you get it now?

@Langley_Ackerman19

Жыл бұрын

Pepperidge farm remembers 😂

I love when she paints herself into a corner talking about female Dwarves, and realizes she's crossing liberal logic lines through identification through established characteristics. Slowed down and backed way outta that one so the mental gymnastics and contortionism could continue going about their true purpose, which is to coopt and destroy.

@MasterIceyy

Жыл бұрын

And the fact that Amazons female dwarf women don't look anything like how they were described to look as well, so she realises she's walked herself into multiple contradictions

@gravity4433

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same things she starting talk in bout dwarves and I thought they didnt even give the dwarven woman a beard?

@MrlspPrt

Жыл бұрын

The left generally corner themselves using weak arguments, they can even attack other leftists if their argument needs it.

i really love how nearly every tolkien fan has unified to defend LOTR from becoming what Star Wars is they all know what they want and they are willing to let LOTR flop to show that

They pretend to be so honorable while casually calling others 'trolls' and bullies ... they have to understand what they are doing, dont they?

It really angers me when I think about what they're doing to Tolkien’s work. Then I remember they actually can't change his work at all, only fashion something lesser from the existing material. We'll always have his books and the spiritually loyal Jackson films.

@littleDainolf

Жыл бұрын

Yea but it stills anger me that alot of kids will think this is what LOTR is.

@tonyshannon8429

Жыл бұрын

@@littleDainolf that's true. Hopefully it will draw them deeper so that they will read the books.

@skyintatters

Жыл бұрын

Even the movies aren't that spiritually loyal. The most loyal adaptation is the BBC Radio version from the 80s.

@ClaytonStone895

Жыл бұрын

The Tolkien Estate signed off on all of this - since they know Tolkien better than Nerdrotic or you, I’ll go with their take.

@garrettzkool63

Жыл бұрын

@@ClaytonStone895 LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It is fascinating how the irony of their ramblings being perfectly applicable to their own belief system, for example, "not being able to admit fault, even if youre given all the facts", is completely lost on them.

@BasementPepperoni

Жыл бұрын

Thats exactly where the term "snowflake" comes from. As soon as SJW's are confronted with FACTS, they completely melt. All hope of having a rational conversation is out the window and they start with the childish and personal attacks that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. Still to this day have I seen a single one of these people be able to either debate their views, or explain their beliefs without going into some hysterical temper tantrum. They will pretend that you are "attacking them" or "becoming violent" when they are the ones raising their voice and threatening people with violence? The is no group of people who project more than SJW's.

@illarionbykov5246

Жыл бұрын

I think at least some of them (especially most of their leaders) are pathological liars and machiavellian psychopaths who know full well they are lying to the public and corrupting the social fabric of society, but they keep doing it because cultural terrorism is their conscious goal, and they intentionally use the tactics of false accusations, DARVO, and projecting their faults onto others because they know those tactics work when you have the backing of the power of billionaires, their Old Money foundations, millionaire-operatebd and billionaire-owned mainstream media, and the Deep State behind them. They are intentional bullies using classic bully tactics because they know they can get away with it all thanks to the superior financial and political power behind them. They're basically a coalition of sadists, narcissists, opportunist grifters, and calculating psychopaths at the top with a mob of mindless followers, NPCs, and useful idiots at the bottom.

@joshhoffman5233

Жыл бұрын

That’s almost always how it goes down.

@hanskneesun123

Жыл бұрын

It's the same crowd that state men can be women and women can be men, I grew up reading the Hobbit and LOTR before I knew anything about politics and I think that most of the audience can say the same, that's why there's a huge backlash from the left and right on the adaptation that is needlessly politicised by elements of the far left.

@UchihaOlavo

Жыл бұрын

A Brazilian professor named Olavo de Carvalho calls this "Cognitive Parallax". The person does not live by his own beliefs or rules that he says govern the universe.

Claire doesn't seem too confident. What really got me is she even said herself that there's a possibility this new Rings show will fail. You would think she would be shilling saying it's the greatest thing ever and it will be a smash success. I guess the rumors are true and Amazon knows they are in deep doo doo now.

When Byzantine Empire was falling down, when Ottomans where ramming the gates, the biggest issue on the debate of high council was the gender of angels. Laughter of history.

Listening to people like Claire Thorne justify this bastardization makes me ill. And I'm not even a huge Tolkien fan. But this disrespect disguised as respect makes my stomach draw up in knots.

@brockdavid

4 ай бұрын

It’s all to spit on, show contempt for, and disrespect towards the legacy of a war veteran and devout Catholic, like J.R.R. Tolkien. These things only feel this comfortable with acting this distasteful towards veterans like Tolkien, long after they have passed on.

"no one ever wants to admit they're wrong." Immediately applies it only to their opposition and not themselves.

@SpottedHares

Жыл бұрын

The fact you could be taking about both side of the fake ideology divided is very concerning.

@COMMANDandConquer199

Жыл бұрын

@@SpottedHares As if that would ever apply to both sides. One side is a cult where no one can step an inch over the narrative line or risk being cancelled, and the other is a collection of different beliefs all driven together by force by the cult on the other side.

@michaellane5381

Жыл бұрын

What's worse is she first said fans gatekeep, then later says how gatekeeping should be done, then that fans do it wrong, then that being wrong is ok. All the bases for pointless conversation covered.

@xonerate371

Жыл бұрын

@@COMMANDandConquer199 Exactly, both herded into pens like cattle, both in victimised consciousness, waaahhhh. P.s. nerdorotic is part of their plan

@YT1300MF

Жыл бұрын

Personally I don’t understand how anyone listens to that podcast. Her verbal uptick after every sentence was driving me up a wall in the short clips here, I can’t imagine listening to an hour of that. And that’s before we get into the sanctimonious, sophomore grade psychoanalysis.

It’s always a laugh when someone perfectly describes themselves but claims they are describing the evil bad people they hate. That lack of self-awareness is hilarious and sad.

I have amazon prime, but I'm going to pirate this show. Not gonna let them benefit from my view.

When she started talking about "nonbinary" orcs, her astounding level of intelligence blew a hole in my brain. I had to pause the video and let my body self-repair before I could continue forward. We live in a society where people want to write about living beings like they're ever-changing amoebas. These people need to be knocked off their pegs. They're only there because someone needed a puppet anyway.

@resurrectionevil6581

Жыл бұрын

her comment perfectly sums up why Tolkien fans are upset with the amazon show. they don't want current day politics within the Tolkien stories. Tolkien wrote his stuff a certain way, and readers grew to enjoy that way, that's why Peter Jackson dilibertly made the movies like that, because he even said he could have used current day politics or just current day styles, but that wouldn't be true to the Tolkien story.

@EgoEroTergum

Жыл бұрын

It's lazy writing too. Here, I can give you an actual 2-seconds-of-creative-though reason orcs would be non-binary. (Though it's still not exactly story-relevant.) Emotional, and mental trauma. They all have it. Every single orc, is an elf, that no longer self-identifies as elvish, because they've been selectively bred, mutilated, and gaslit from birth. They certainly would NOT use modern terminology, and you wouldn't see any PROUD orcs the way you see LGBT humans.🚫🏳‍🌈🏳‍⚧ Anyhoo; plus, Tolkien being a stickler for language (That's half the fun!) if he'd wanted to go that way would have had a cultural thing where Black Speech doesn't include genders, because it lacks words for describing beauty - that and regular orcs might be raised to despise all things feminine, on account of being a culture of nothing but workers and soldiers.⚔⚒ That's how you could do it in-story. Orc women don't think of themselves as women in the manner of the other races because orc culture and language has no place for femininity. 🚫♀ I'll bet you though, that that's not how they do it, and instead we get gay orcs that sound like Starbucks baristas. 🙄

@DastardlyDavid69

Жыл бұрын

@@EgoEroTergum Cool explanation for it. Adds depth to the Orcs, meets the objective without ruining them. 👍

@stevekirkpatrick1612

Жыл бұрын

I can't wait to see the wheelchair bound afro/asian-American neurodivergent amputee transgender asexual lesbian elf who is going to impregnate Saruman so that Gandalf can be born in season two. If they don't cast whoever it is that deadpan does the tablecloth trick with his asscheeks on tiktok, they are making a huge mistake.

@roaldruss4211

Жыл бұрын

They have already lost with The Rings of Power, they just don't realize it yet. The very fact that their podcast revolves around gender- and cultural issues shows that Amazon's public relations agents see the writing on the wall: overwhelming rejection by the fans. Why else focus on supposed 'toxic' minorities on the internet?

This present push to turn LOTR upside down has given me massive renewed respect for what Peter Jackson did. At the time we thought he was simply making great films - because that was considered sufficient back then. Now though, it seemed he planted a significant flag so that people were further inspired to 'hold the line'..

The irony in this woman’s comments literally speaking against herself is comical.

Claire Thorn’s oratory skills are exemplified by her gratuitous use of “you know…”. Juno is a female.

Interesting how people who try to make points for changing legendary lores and editing core characters can a, Barely string a sentence together b, have not read the original story

@RedHuntsman

Жыл бұрын

They can't string a sentence together because they know how bad their arguments will sound if they speak plainly.

@ahoramazda6864

Жыл бұрын

It seems to me that even a person who has not read the original story guesses that elves in armor did not climb rocks with knives, in the style of Prince of Persia.

I thought Orcs were originally Elves, captured, tortured and corrupted by Morgoth and Sauron, and later grown alchemically/magically in the ground. Wasn't this the reason behind the great numbers of Sauron's armies, raised in the barren wasteland of Mordor?

@defeqel6537

Жыл бұрын

Mordor wasn't barren, not wholly, but had fields for growing food, worked on by lesser orcs and slaves.

@feconisb.3067

Жыл бұрын

Stop taking your lore from the the Peter Jackson films, read Tolkien.

@peteg475

Жыл бұрын

@@defeqel6537 Yes. Mordor's East and South (away from the volcano and it's suburbs) had vast fields of grain with slaves to harvest it. Even Orc armies need to be fed, or they don't fight. All armies move on their stomachs.

@tranquilitybase8100

Жыл бұрын

The movies leave you with the impression that orcs are asexual whilst the books are pretty vague about it.

@knotengajin7359

Жыл бұрын

@@tranquilitybase8100 The OP is on point: “Yet this is held true by the wise of Eressea, that all those of the Quendi who came into the hands of Melkor, ere Utumno was broken, were put there in prison, and by slow arts of cruelty were corrupted and enslaved; and thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orcs in envy and mockery of the Elves, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orcs has life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Iluvatar.”

The lady bringing "psychology" into the discussion constantly has an upswing in her voice, which is a tell tale sign of someone not fully believing what their saying. It's as if she's questioning herself if it's the correct statement.

Oh dear Amazon: Please refrain from removing Galadriel's ethereal, strong beauty. Please let dwarven women have proper beards! By Aule and Mahal, let them keep their beards! But you already went all goblin king with that didn't you? Shame on you Amazon. I should send Lobelia Sackville Baggins after them. That should teach them a lesson. Also "Orc genders" Alright, well let me see here. The first Orcs were created by some of the first Elves that awoke in what later became known as Middle Earth. They were corrupted by the evil that Melkor or Morgoth (Sauron's predecessor) had. He was quite the manipulative bastard. Chock full of corruption too, maybe he should have taken more baths? Now by the time of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Saruman had "dabbled" a bit more with Orcs, Sauron hadn't done much dabbling in a few thousand years, and being defeated "once before" may have been a damper on his imagination. And Saruman has this brilliant idea to mix humans with Orcs and create more hybrids as he went. Some of the results of this "dabbling" were Uruk-Hai and they look quite disgusting. We do have one set of evidence that Orcs can reproduce, put it politely. Bolg was the son of Azog the Pale Orc and had enough feelings toward his father that he went on a vengeance rampage after the very Dwarves (some of them at least) responsible for his father's death. How curious...There are family dynamics among Orcs

It's incredible how un-self aware these people are, it's also rather pathetic.

@TheRenofox

Жыл бұрын

I believe they know exactly what they're doing. A few flopped movies and dead franchises could be brushed off as incompetence, but it is clear beyond any doubt that destruction IS their only goal.

@j.j.hayden9461

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRenofox Maybe so, but to want that, one would have to be a zealous "true believer" in the cult of intersectionality.

@sukaenacornelius9285

Жыл бұрын

Yup, anything with a hint of wokism, I won’t bother. I’ll stick to the books and Peter Jacksons movies. Amazon will not be receiving my attention.

@NormanReaddis

Жыл бұрын

"when something is wrong, we just double down on what we this is right" they just expose the woke industry on that single statement.

@onepunchbud1472

Жыл бұрын

How can they be self aware when they don't even know what male and female means?

12:16: One of the symptoms of wokeness is an obsession with labels: labels of gender, skin color, and sexuality, and of how these labels can be used to push personal beliefs and politics - using a beloved media franchise, in this case, as a conduit to push said beliefs. By using these labels, woke activists also seek to purposely erode the things that, to their mind, no longer have a place in the world, further applying labels like "outdated" and "misogyny" to their targets. This is to satiate their own personal beliefs surrounding "inclusivity" and "social injustice," which do not translate to any practical benefit in the real world. In the mind of the woke, everything has a label, and every label is a tool to self-serving ends. Beware he (or she) who speaks in labels.

@thisisfyne

Жыл бұрын

The weirdest thing is, these labels (which are arguably inherently racist/sexist/etc as they're based on broad stereotypes) are used to rank people by levels of perceived oppression. Straight white male? Nope, sorry, no points for you. Down the gutter you go. All struggles and hardships are dismissed under the name of the ô-so-oppressive patriarchy. Bye bye. Gender-fluid mixed-race disabled refugee? OMG look at all these boxes checked! All the awards. Automatic saint level. Right this way your highness. What infuriates me the most about wokeness is not only that the concept itself completely disregards individual character in favor of outdated tropes that no sane human being should fall upon for judgement, but worse, those preaching it have the audacity to claim superiority over others. They think they're virtuous; but all they do is categorize people and create further divide. They don't see individual human beings with complex thoughts and unique stories; they see a collection of criteria that are met (or not) to then assign value. It's disgusting and immature, really.

@bullymaguire9156

Жыл бұрын

So true, man. I'm not a Tolkien fan, but then again I've never watched Lord of the rings nor read the books.

@NormanReaddis

Жыл бұрын

They're so obsess with label than keep anything as is so they'll compensate for something unnecessary and they're still the one that's asking why. Lmao

@RedHuntsman

Жыл бұрын

And those labels have no plain language meaning-they are meant to confuse and avoid what they really want to do.

@runcandy3

Жыл бұрын

This is one of the best articulations of this phenomenon that I have ever heard.

It’s crazy to me that the show runners and producers have to go out and actually put down fans. Isn’t it the point for everyone to live your product It’s almost like they hate the fans and are gonna die on that hill just to force through an agenda

I’m not even a lord of the rings fan and I’m going to bat for this fight. LotR fans stood by Star Wars fans in our time of need, now we will do the same.

I like how they are putting words in Tolkien's mouth seeing how he is dead and can't speak for himself. It is disgusting to watch them disrespect his work and yet claim they love it.

@Aldebarean

Жыл бұрын

The premier is on the day Tolkien died, it's like they are dancing on his grave

I've read Tolkien but I'm no expert. Trying to interject or ,"update" Lord Of The Rings" for a modern context is absolutely ridiculous. If it isn't there , it isn't there. It's like putting Nike shoes on a Rembrandt painting.

@B0redom13

Жыл бұрын

Very well said. Tolkien was a genius, surely some modern gender theory marketing person has the right to “update it…”

@defeqel6537

Жыл бұрын

@@B0redom13 if they were good enough to "update it", they'd be good enough to create an equivalent world and story, and wouldn't need to corrupt existing works

@rammisalami

Жыл бұрын

Much like the chick that smeared cake on the Mona Lisa; they don’t even know the product they are attempting to destroy is just a lame reproduction. Their actions have no weight or influence outside of their cult of sycophants and that revelation is scaring them.

@TheWatcherxx99

Жыл бұрын

What's next The Bible? Hey maybe Jesus Christ was a woman? Maybe he was trans or non binary

@NathanCassidy721

Жыл бұрын

If there is one genre that isn’t dependent on “modern sensibilities” it’s medieval fantasy. Sure, attitudes might change but fantasy epics are timeless.

Tolkien's work should have stayed out of public access, now everyone who has no idea what they are talking about can buy the rights and ruin the brilliant works of better people

I use to have a pretty popular Tolkien Lore page on Tiktok. Never considered myself an "expert" though. Just I guy who read all the books and tried to share them with others who were maybe too intimidated to read the full Legendarium themselves. I stopping making vids on there though. Caught too much shit from the community for criticizing Amazon's "adaptation" of the lore. Believe me, the TolkienTok creators are quick to praise the wonderful, safe and inclusive community they have created and love to proclaim how Tolkien is for everyone. But in truth it has become nothing but a cesspool of memes, Peter Jackson movie trivia and shils that sold their integrity for a piece of that Amazon pie. With the exception of an increasingly small few, the fans of Tolkien's actual writing have long since been exiled for failure to conform.

I'm no expert. But I would imagine female Orcs would be incredibly valuable to Morgoth and Sauron as they are essentially the most efficient way to produce more Orcs. I can't imagine many being put out in combat.

@TheWatcherxx99

Жыл бұрын

ReeeEEEeeee Bigot!

@FabledFrame

Жыл бұрын

Morgoth sent Elven females to College. There He/They/Them corrupted their minds. Colours of the rainbow seeped from malformed heads and into their hair. Waddling forth from the black gates they screeched their battle cry, 'REEEEEEEEEEEEE'

@Human-zx4rb

Жыл бұрын

to be clear, there are female orcs just as tolkien said, and to be clear if u pour some thought into this u will realise that this will be set before sauron took over from morgoth so orcs are modtly scattered and unorganized.

@berserkerpride

Жыл бұрын

Tolkien's letter says as much. "They must exist, but you only see the orc warriors so you'd never see the females."

@darrylblanch8463

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly

Only in modern culture would you go to social media for an “expert” on a book. It’s a readily available set of books. Just read them yourself.

@Ackalan

Жыл бұрын

Considering these people can't tell a man from a woman, why on earth do you think they can comprehend an entire book?

@tyrannosaurusimperator

Жыл бұрын

I'd wager that Tolkien's prose is beyond the reading abilities of a large group of social media denizens. Keep in mind that most American public schools can't even teach basic reading and mathematics before "students" graduate high school.

@The_last_loyalty

Жыл бұрын

If she thinks TikTok is a valid research resource, I'm not sure she actually has the intelligence to read.

@Weaseldog2001

Жыл бұрын

@@tyrannosaurusimperator I agree with you, and have thought the same thing. If you read at a sixth grade level, then his writing will look like a soup of big words.

"Look at that face and tell me this isn't a girl" ....DID THEY JUST ASSUME THAT ORCS GENDER?!?!

Nobody wants to admit they're wrong, eh? I guess the fans will be to blame for the poor reception when the show comes out. The irony.