The Great Vowel Shift
I've wanted to do a video about the great vowel shift for a little while, so here's one with some examples of how the language (in the south-east) would have sounded, century-by-century. A big improvement on the last time I tried to do something like this, accuracy-wise.
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"I'm not convinced it's all that hot." *is visibly melting*
@AClown
3 жыл бұрын
I'm arguing for the sake of it. He said "its meant to be the hottest day on record in UK history today, I'm not convinced, but its still quite hot" he never said it wasn't hot.
@Endoterrestrials
3 жыл бұрын
Said the boiling frog
Says it's not that hot outside. *Immediately kills twelve glasses of water*
@beltrams
4 жыл бұрын
It was a nice coincidence when the fossil fuel-burning airliner passed overhead during the mention of how hot the day was.
@mmaboxingclips2407
4 жыл бұрын
BandM fuck off
@chemikalfluffy
4 жыл бұрын
@@mmaboxingclips2407 denying climate change in 2020? Aren't we in the future now? Let's get with it, kids.
@mmaboxingclips2407
4 жыл бұрын
Josh Sells Guns hey simp...do remember 15 years ago when they told us we would be fucked by now.. guess we need another 15...then another etc... u fucktard leftists have shit for brains..
@mmaboxingclips2407
4 жыл бұрын
Josh Sells Guns change climate change with christ ...no siff..both are a religion
in conclusion, limmy's show was filmed in the 1500s
@Spawndex
4 жыл бұрын
Alvaro Garavito hes turned the vowels against us
@d_no1940
4 жыл бұрын
@@Spawndex he's turned the vowels against you aye?
@MajesticSkywhale
4 жыл бұрын
@@d_no1940 .........aye he's turnt the vowels against us
@athulfgeirsson
4 жыл бұрын
these were vowels wi a trade!
@PodOfHeat
4 жыл бұрын
Rip Benny Harvey
People gotta understand, this is like a whole college course in a 6 minute video. Good shit man.
@temporaryaccount5698
4 жыл бұрын
pretty shit college course then
@t4ky0n
3 жыл бұрын
@@temporaryaccount5698 not to imply this is a bad video
@djengo77
3 жыл бұрын
Artslug wrote: "Good shit man" "Good [bowel] shit man" ↓ "[Great] bowel shit man" ↓ "Great [v]owel shi[f]t man" ↓ "Great vowel shift man"
@aviator2117
3 жыл бұрын
@@djengo77 I’ve never met you but you’re already my favorite person
@angelcannon922
2 жыл бұрын
You all prolly dont give a shit but does anyone know of a way to get back into an instagram account..? I was stupid lost the password. I would appreciate any help you can give me
As a Dane it's like hearing my language slowly morph into current day english. Quite interesting.
@Bjowolf2
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I had the exact same thought 😊 The first one sounds very much like Danish, as it's spoken in parts of Jutland today.
@Peter-ri9ie
4 жыл бұрын
Påminner mycket om svenska också.
@Bjowolf2
4 жыл бұрын
@@Peter-ri9ie Because Swedish is very similar to Danish, but Northern and Eastern England was called the Danelaw for a reason, you see 😉 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw
@Peter-ri9ie
4 жыл бұрын
Bjowolf2 ja, absolut. Når jag pluggade engelsk språkhistoria hade jag en dansk klasskamrat och det var riktigt kul hur vi möttes språkmässigt mer och mer, så att säga, ju längre bak i tiden vi kom. Känner du till en språkhistoriker som heter Ola Wikander? Rekommenderad läsning.
@Bjowolf2
4 жыл бұрын
Nej, ham kender jeg ikke - tak for det 😉
I want a hundred more century-by-century examples
@iparipaitegianiparipaitegi4643
2 жыл бұрын
Do it!
When you love historical linguistics but hate editing
@livmarlin4259
4 жыл бұрын
BITCH.
@GodzillaofTokyo
3 жыл бұрын
Who needs editing when you have all this information. I like it just fine as is.
@niamhoconnor8986
3 жыл бұрын
I agree it's top notch, no disrespect
@e.s.r5809
3 жыл бұрын
I love Mr Roper's videos and respect him enormously as a creator and researcher, but I read this comment before watching the video and ended up laughing about it through the whole thing (not in a nasty way, it's just very accurate).
@livmarlin4259
3 жыл бұрын
@@e.s.r5809 I also respect Mr Raper's videos.
I love how Simon puts on no airs. He can teach us about the intricacies of the Great Vowel Shift, yet think nothing of wiping his mouth on his shirt sleeve in the middle of his presentation. I like this guy. He's real.
I’m impressed .. a Ted Talk on full backyard casual ..I like it!
Holy shit that’s AMAZING how you can do all those accents as they were historically!
@Pingijno
4 жыл бұрын
he just reads phonetic transcriptions
@thorr18BEM
4 жыл бұрын
@Hyrum Wood *it's
@themustardthe
4 жыл бұрын
thorr18BEM It doesn’t matter. This isn’t an ELA Test. It’s the KZread comment section, and as long as you can understand them, there isn’t any need to correct.
@thorr18BEM
4 жыл бұрын
@@themustardthe , there isn't any need to tell me there isn't any need to correct. It's turtles all the way down.
@themustardthe
4 жыл бұрын
thorr18BEM fair enough, but try not to correct unnecessarily
I'd love to see Simon do an episode on the New Zealand accent. It'd be like "When the British were taking the vowels to New Zealand, they arrived but forgot what places to put the vowels in. So they just guessed."
@fhpurcell7713
4 жыл бұрын
for real. after spending a semester in new Zealand i was legit unable to tell where i's and e's go in normal English anymore
@waveycrazey
3 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered how the kiwi accent appeared. I find it fascinating.
@kaleejackson2535
3 жыл бұрын
The 1800s one sounds the closest to NZ English imho? Like the vowels in NZ started at that point then just kind of wandered off a bit
@sroberts605
2 жыл бұрын
It often sounds like very posh english to me - same very clipped vowels
@andree1991
2 жыл бұрын
That is "fintistic"
1400 sounded danish 1500 sounded dutch 1600 sounded like somerset 1700 onwards sounds familiar
@vipertwenty249
4 жыл бұрын
Aha! Oscar I think you've got it! 1400 - introduction of danish bacon - 1500 - introduction of Edam cheese (yes I know - bear with me here) 1600 - spread of cider drinking - 1700 onwards - drunken cheese rolling after a proper breakfast! yes - that'll be it - Oscar you're a genious!
@jodawgsup
4 жыл бұрын
A fun fact is to know that a language within the Netherlands - Frysian - is now linguistically the closest to modern English.
@OccamsRazoretta
4 жыл бұрын
@@jodawgsup , would that be similar to the Frisian dialects spoken in Northern Germany?
@jodawgsup
4 жыл бұрын
@@OccamsRazoretta yes
@jonaskoelker
4 жыл бұрын
On 1400 sounding Danish, let me dissect that bit by bit: "I: ka:me from mi hu:s // nu: I:m h3r" The pronoun "I" resembles the (modern) German "Ich" and the Dutch "Ik" more than the danish "Jeg" (pron. something like "Yaee" except the "ee" is short). But other than that: "ka:me" sounds similar to the Danish "kommer", to come. "from mi" if you elide the m in "from", the pronunciation is similar to the Danish "fra" (meaning from). The possessive is conjugated to agree with the gender of the matching noun, "mit" (neuter) or "min" (common). In southern and/or western Jutland, I think "mi" is common, without the suffix -t/-n. "hu:s" is how you pronounce the Danish word for house, "hus" "nu:" is exactly like the Danish "nu" (meaning now) "I:m" see above on I/Ich/Ik/Jeg "h3r" is (pretty much) exactly the Danish "her" (meaning here) So yeah, middle English is closer to Danish than modern English is to Danish. Not surprising, as it's closer in time to the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons, i.e. roughly speaking the Danish.
Interesting how old English is sometimes closer to modern Norwegian than it is to modern English. Min stan in old English is min stein in modern Norwegian.
@tyhall9530
4 жыл бұрын
the viking period
@Peter-ri9ie
4 жыл бұрын
Påminner mycket om svenska också.
@Bjowolf2
4 жыл бұрын
D min sten Also D ædelsten [ai'th-el-sten] = gem, as in the royal name Athelstan 😉
@Peter-ri9ie
4 жыл бұрын
Bjowolf2 den har jag aldrig tänkt på! 🤔😊🙌🏻
@b43xoit
4 жыл бұрын
Old English is a Germanic language, so it should not be surprising that it sounds like others in that class.
Love the excellent ending showing the timeline of sounds! Thank you!
@simonroper9218
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching! :)
@louisfriend7388
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant thanks so much for this lesson!
I am South African by birth, now a British citizen, living in the UK since 1999. English is my mother tongue, and all accents interest me coming from a continent of such diverse languages. Even subtle differences within only 50 miles or so. However, hearing the origins of our language though, in particular and how it has changed is truly fascinating. A bit like some of those archeological TV programs where they model a person's face from a skull...etc. I am also heartened to see a young man like you so devoted to this very important work and you certainly appear to have a talent/ vocation for this. Well done and I wish you all the best in your academic pursuits!
Do your career plans include language research/teaching? You have a gift, and I sincerely hope you'll continue uploading to KZread!
@simonroper9218
4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that, what a lovely thing to say :) I will do, I'm studying archaeology at the moment but I think I'll always do languages on the side. Is it a big interest of yours?
@WhenAllTheWarmthLeavesUs
4 жыл бұрын
@@simonroper9218 8 months later...
@ruralsquirrel5158
4 жыл бұрын
@@simonroper9218 If I could go back and do it all again, I would pursue historical linguistics (a field very rare and hard to find when I was young).
@keizan5132
Жыл бұрын
@@simonroper9218 I wish you went on to do language studies/research. You are already awesome at this and you could be so much better.
As an American, hearing the 1700 is so striking of where “general” American English accent comes from.
The history of the English language fascinates me!
I often feel guilty for spending too much time on KZread then, every once in a while, i watch a video and I feel like I have learned something really valuable and I don't feel so bad. Thanks Simon. 'Another great vid'. :)
I don't the wind interferred that much with the vowel shift.
The "caught-cot" thing amazed me.. In the USA there's a difference in some regions but not in others. The same is true with "pin-pen." When I went to Eastern Kentucky I found that "pen" is prefixed as "ink pen," because pen sounds exactly like pin. In my native state, Utah, cot and caught sound the same. Pin and pen are pronounced differently.
@xeji4348
3 жыл бұрын
This is a bot comment^ Utah doesn't exist
This is an interesting channel, i like what I see
@komo06
4 жыл бұрын
hes amazing
I came from a recommendation; Now I'm here.
@seabell475
4 жыл бұрын
M MMM Good one, first laugh I've had all day
SInce I've read about the great vowel shift years ago, I always wondered how some sentences would have changed over time. This channel was the best youtube recommendation of the last several months.
An absolute joy to have found your videos, Mr. Roper. I hope there will be many more. My feeble efforts to explain the subject will now be replaced by your KZread Channel :D
@simonroper9218
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, and I'm sure your explanations no feebler than mine! :)
I love that you stayed hydrated while explaining this fascinating topic.
This channel is actually really nice and informative and really puts the history of our language into perspective.
Years ago I had this idea that it was all the small things over history that would help me understand the bigger picture and using small brush strokes I could gain an understanding of where we came from, where we are going and why. Your videos are very informative. Thank you for the time, study and effort that goes into making them. When you talk about shifts in pronunciation; I moved from Scotland as a child and I couldn't detect a shift in my accent, though it was very noticeable over about 12 years.
This video has a TON [TONNE?] of linguistics, world history, and language packed into just a few minutes. My hat is off to you, Mr. Roper, for taking a complex subject and explaining it clearly in such a brief amount of time.
Fascinating! I could listen to you talk about this all day. :)
Brilliant. Thank you, Simon.
I love reading about these facts about language but you really color the full picture by speaking the changes. Love it.
2 videos in and I'm subbed, look forward to more coming, quite a fan of linguistics and it ties in well to AoE II DE being released recently, so I'm suddenly much more interested in my own language. Thanks!
just discovered your channel, and am totally subscribed. Love the casual back-garden-interview style video
The end sequence is really interesting. Thank you.
Love these videos. So fascinating.
That 1400 century English is exactly how the hillbillies in my Swedish hometown would say the same sentence.
@pipatron
4 жыл бұрын
Was just going to say. As a Swede, the 1400 version made complete sense. Why did they ruin it? :(
@jay1jayf
4 жыл бұрын
That's pretty cool, if true.
@jay1jayf
4 жыл бұрын
@Anne Jeffries You thought Sweden was a complete concrete jungle?
@welp4576
4 жыл бұрын
Me stån
@biggbals4375
4 жыл бұрын
Lmao
This is fantastic. Truly beautiful
i have my early english exam next week and your channel is incredibly helpful! thank you! please keep making more videos (especially the north west one you mentioned- i'm from liverpool and would love to see it!)
Fascinating. Truly Fascinating. Your reconstruction of our shared early English Language is fantastic.
Fascinating, completely fascinating.
I really hope you keep posting videos like these. I doubt there are many people who can speak in middle English and it's fascinating to hear the changes.
Pre modern radio/television much language was a lingua Franca where communication was done by common close words. They didn’t speak the same language but they could communicate.
'I'll go on for as long as I can': Good man : )
The pronunciation of the 1400's example sounds very Scandinavian, specifically Swedish/Norwegian.
I am in my house. Watching your video. Thanks for your work! Changes in language are important.
These videos are fascinating.
Very interesting stuff Simon. I did subscribe. My first recollections of Speaking are in Yorkshire then Lancashire then Cumbria, as a child. Now I'm in very south Texas and the idea of Vowel Shift is clear and apparent.
I'm so glad he's in there, and we're out here
@Tonks143
4 жыл бұрын
And that he's the sherrif
Fascinating!!! I studied history and I still have such a love for it but I also life Languages.
I’m from the midlands and in my dialect we pronounce it “me” instead of “my” , does that mean my dialect didn’t really go through that part of the great vowel shift?
@someguy3766
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Generally the further north you go, the less impact it had. That is at least partly why Scots sounds a lot more similar to Old English than Modern English spoken in the south east does.
@haroldhadradi8763
3 жыл бұрын
No it just means the queen's English went through it, all regional dialects are evidence of the older pronunciations. The word grandfather is a good example, in the dane law its granda, in the old saxon kingdoms (particularly Wessex) its granfer. Its only in the South East that it was pronounced as grandfather.
@Thelmageddon
3 жыл бұрын
That's interesting. But imagine saying quickly, " I'll just get me coat,..." It works in most broad regional accents - including the south east estuary accent (think Eastenders), Manchester, Devon, etc. In since places it's a full 'mee,' in others a shorter 'mi.'
@ToTaLePiCpEaNuT
3 жыл бұрын
In Yorkshire we use me for my as well.
@paulpaulson1207
3 жыл бұрын
Same in Liverpool
I really love this because I never had any significant exposure to Old English. However, I majored in German and basically went to grad school waiting for ONE course they offered in Middle High German, which I took to like a duck to water. Before class I would write totally absurd sentences on the board using the limited vocabulary we had from reading stuff like Parzival. "Daz getwerc lief so sere, daz man in schoz," no accents and going off a 20+-year-old memory, was my personal favorite. The professor was probably wondering what on earth I found so engaging about it, but creating odd sentences is how I learn. In high school German I just *had* to form the sentence, around Christmastime, "Mein Meerschweinchen hat das Geschenkpapier gefressen." All of that is to say, massive respect for depth of knowledge in these things. Had I a way, I would be marinating in language and translation and etymology myself to this day, although teaching English online sporadically also approaches some of these moments. :)
This IS amazing, incredible how you're able the to "speak" all those historical variations so convincingly! thank you for illustratiing and the insight! LOVE from Russia
You really are flexing on me with both your knowledge and your water.
@OneironauticalOne
4 жыл бұрын
Right, why not chug that off camera :D
AWESOME!!! the ending was incredible!!! you couldnt put it in a better ways, THANK YOU HAHAHAHA thanks really this sheds a light
What a treat! Thank you!
@DonnaChamberson
4 жыл бұрын
HE WAS MY RICE KRISPIE TREAT ❤️
This is cool man. Thanks for doing it!
I love this! Thank you
I think I’m having a great bowel shift
@Bjowolf2
4 жыл бұрын
😂
I love that you keep in a lot of the stuff that should be cut out. Like drinking, commenting on the wind, talking about your battery.
@moorooster223
4 жыл бұрын
should is a weird word
Just randomly found your channel and am now browsing through some of your videos. Love your stuff. One comment regarding the last bit of your video with the example of the vowel shift: As a native German, the bit from 1400 sounds very familiar. Particularly the first sentence could almost be modern Swiss German, only the word “from” would be a bit odd, but still similar enough to “von” to be understood in the context of the sentence, even though nowadays people would use “aus”, not “von” or if they wanted to use “von”, they’d have to change the grammatical structure completely. The second sentence probably wouldn’t be understood. Mostly because of the “I’m” in the middle. Both grammatically as well as phonetically, German speakers would be puzzled. Though to be fair, outside of Switzerland, the first sentence probably wouldn’t be understood. In the South-West of Germany, where I’m from, people might figure it out if they are prepared for the challenge and know what’s coming. Personally, I have read the odd old English snippet here or there and found that between modern German and modern English, I can more often than not figure out what’s being said, which is pretty cool.
Brilliant video, great communication
So interesting. I have read several things recently discussing the origins of American Southern/ Appalachian dialect as a direct descendant of the English dialect of 1700’s. I only recently learned that the funny phrases my Granny would say like “I swanny” have old English origins. It is incredibly interesting to see how language lives, breaths, and changes as our culture changes and is influenced by others!
love this explanation do more of it
Very informative, thank you!
I stumbled on your videos the other day and I have to say, all of this stuff is really quite fascinating. The way languages shift is something many people, myself included, don’t think about very often when considering how people spoke hundreds of years ago, it all being technically still English though wildly different depending on the stage. The fact that we know so utterly little about native Anglo-Saxon religion as well feels to me almost like history has betrayed us. I feel the same way about the Library of Alexandria or the purge and barbarization of the Gauls, Britons, and Visigoths by Julius Caesar. It really is irritating not knowing.
that example at the end blew my mind
Fascinating!
As a dane it almost sounds like ones own language being transformed into modern English one change at a time.
I love what you do
Nicely done as usual. Lunch is on me if you're ever out my way. cheers from cool Vienna, Scott
Thank you for demonstrating this. It’s so difficult to understand when you’re just reading it.
Fascinating
Your knowledge is really cool. You obviously have a talent to hear subtleties - sometimes I can't hear the distinctions you are making. Very cool... Have you talked about the cause of the GVShift?? Curious. Good work. I appreciate what you are doing!
Great videos, can you make one with just examples of the vowel shift, it would be great.
Bloody ACE video! ✨✨✨
Great example at the end!
Do you have any insight into the splitting of the ɛː set, why some words spelled with merged into /e:/ and others into /i:/, e.g. "meat," and "great"?
Interesting that the Yorkshire dialect I grew up with in the '60s is (in the case of "My stone") the same as 1400 English. I would have said "Me stone" pronounced very similarly to your 1400s pronunciation "Mi stɔːn". Also, in the final sentence example of this video, the most similar sentence version to my 1960s Yorkshire dialect is the one from 1600. I'd say the only difference are the words "now" and "here"
Thank you Simon for your very interesting and informative videos! You have to be a language nerd to appreciate this stuff. Do you, or will you, have a video on how we might expect future English to evolve grammatically and phonetically? I think these would be two different vids. Thanks again! Daniel
So I always knew English was a Germanic language, but I never realized how much until I started watching your videos. Also, I was absolutely struck by how much the 1700 and 1800 examples sounded like a neutral modern US accent.
Dude you have a great channel, and I love your relaxed teaching style.
2019 On way Here
@michaelmartin9022
4 жыл бұрын
2119: 🏠👉📍✔️
Simon I think you are brilliant! Proud to be the same nationaiity as you!
Brilliant.
Old(er) English is so incredibly similar to even today's German, it's just fascinating hearing the two separate more and more over time.
I've heard the American northern cities vowel shift being described a similar way. Where one vowel change causes the rest to change as well. Very interesting video. Very informative.
@fartreta
4 жыл бұрын
In linguistics it's called "chain shift". I've read about the ongoing Northern Cities Vowel Shift. It's really cool!
I just subbed, this is fascinating! I have a question for you that I've wondered about for years. I recently watched a video from a fellow from your side of the pond who lives here in the US now. He took a quiz online about how it could guess what region in the US you came from. He's an Englishman, but the quiz pinpointed his word usage to be from where I live, in the deep South of the US. How could that be? I surely thought the quiz would tell him he was from New England, as we are told that the Mid Atlantic accent was the accent that developed from the English. You hear the MA accent in films pre 1950s. Think Katherine Hepburn, she had the MA accent. It fell out of favor in the 50s, as with the popularization of television brought in the flat Midwest accent still used in broadcasting and entertainment today. Is it possible that the deep South accent is closer to the English accent of approximately 200- 250 years ago?
Dude, that's rad. More sample sentences please!
Oxford should offer this guy a job--absolutely fantastic
In the North East we still say "Am gannin t me hoos" or Gannin yem.
@JonnyInfinite
4 жыл бұрын
Lancastrian has the word wom for home
@bg8089
4 жыл бұрын
Am Gan hyem haha
@Hrodn
4 жыл бұрын
Did ye get hyem before it plowted doon? Ah didn't an am sowked. Av gotta gan roond t' me gannies this sarta and fix e nettie. The ootside spowt is bunged up with a deed spuggie n the watters runnin arll doon the waal. Ah hope the rain hads away.
@Neophema
4 жыл бұрын
Probably Old Norse influence. In Norwegian we say "hus" (pronounced hoos) and "hjem" (pr. yem).
@user-oo8xp2rf1k
4 жыл бұрын
@@Neophema accross the North Sea in North Berwick, Scotland, they still say hoose for house.
Thank u, great video👍
@simonroper9218
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Cool product placement. Also, fascinating history.
what's really weird about the big vowel shift in that period english is not just how many single vowels became dipthongs but also how many vowels just disappeared like the 'AGE' in 'IMAGE'. it was definitely a huge change that went on there for sure.
I live in Australia, and as a drama teacher have a lot to do with language. Definitely a living thing, I see (or rather, hear) it - in this case not the vowels but the consonants - changing right in front of me. I have found that my students have difficulty with the 'l' sound, which takes some effort to speak, so that 'Australia' becomes 'Austraya', and the 't' consonant seems to be changing to a 'd', so as an example, 'important' is becoming 'impordant'. Is it a genuine shift, or are we just lazy?
I was asking myself why the hell I'm watching this... now I'm thinking...wow....that shit interesting! This dude is awesome!
From one linguaphile to another, thank you, Simon Roper. This was quite fascinating.
Compelling listening. At age 74 I am learning with great interest.
The evolution of language
God bless u Simon