Sounds like a modern-day Swede speaking English after learning it from an Irishman

@thefloop2813

7 күн бұрын

Oh my god. This. You nailed it, and all of a sudden im having flashbacks to the ranting swede from sheep in the big city.

@stevemartin7464

5 күн бұрын

Lol

@marwood1969

5 күн бұрын

Yes! THAT! Loooool.

"Let us have a reckoning". Gotta remember that one next time I'm at Aldi

@infpdreams

29 күн бұрын

As someone going to Aldi later today, I'll test the waters with it for you! If I do not update, expect the worst...

@stevenmontoya9950

29 күн бұрын

"Let us have a reckoning" sounds like a Florence and the Machine song

@GadolElohai

28 күн бұрын

Report, good sir/ma'am?

@clavichord

28 күн бұрын

Fare ye well to Aldi!

@SCAJolly

28 күн бұрын

I loved hearing that! It's what you'd say today in German, rechnung, or Norwegian, regning, meaning "the bill". You'd call the waiter after you've finished your meal and request it.

Always up for a pint of wine

@KeefsCattys

29 күн бұрын

I'd prefer 568ml though

@FromTheFens219

29 күн бұрын

Sam Allardyce would fit right in

@Amesang

29 күн бұрын

It comes in pints?

@KeefsCattys

29 күн бұрын

I think they did that sadly . It wasn't necessary :(

@qeithwreid7745

28 күн бұрын

A cheeky pint of wine

I love this sort of thing. Just a French lad trying to help his fellow French refugees, and accidentally creates a brilliant primer on honest-to-goodness 16th c. street English, not the "proper" stuff taught at school. I'm sure Mr. Bellot would've been pleased to see us finding such utility in his humble phrasebook, all these centuries later.

@Iceland874

26 күн бұрын

Totally fascinating! Thank you for an inspiring video.

@cd-zw2tt

26 күн бұрын

its funny because more of these sort of language-to-language transliterations are incredibly helpful at preserving a time's pronounciation (in both languages)

@katiekawaii

26 күн бұрын

It's incredible that we have it.

@nostalji75

14 күн бұрын

I am not sure how humble it is to write something and than translate it twice.^^ The only reason I imagine him being so pedanticly is either, because that was his character or he wanted to profit of it.

@MattNeufy

7 күн бұрын

Regardless, he was just some schmuck as we all are, and probably knew it too! I don’t do much of anything to directly benefit future generations, doubt he did either. Well, he did write a book, he was proud of all the work he put into it over the years, and was happy with the profit it (hopefully) brought him. Love to learn who he was, what he did in his free time, where he lived, was he an introvert or an extrovert (as someone who wrote a book about conversation in another language, it’s kind of a toss up!)

I hear people speaking like this normally when i hide in the bushes to hear people talk

@christopherneufelt8971

28 күн бұрын

Colonel? You too here? ;-)

@Ithirahad

28 күн бұрын

Ah yes, the legendary bushes of time. Not to be confused with particularly overgrown thyme plants.

@onlymeok

26 күн бұрын

But the trees speak Vietnamese.

@jimmyflawless

13 күн бұрын

Were you searching for mutilated porn mags?

My great grandfather, a former native of Galway, born 140 years ago, used "tis" a lot. He also would pronounce a lot of words with extra syllables and then skip entire words if he thought you would think them implied by context. "Tis fine moranin, tain't na rain in sight." is an example. Or "ga fetcha me slippers lad, under bed." would be another. He died in 1964. He learned Irish from birth and spoke it exclusively until he was in his teens when he found it necessary to learn English to transact business in the nearest town, Loughrea.

@ladydynamite7

5 күн бұрын

'Tis still gets used in Ireland. Hiberno-English retains features of older forms of English alongside influences from the Irish language.Younger people such as myself use "'tis" slightly jokingly, I think, but it keeps it alive. It would be a shame for us to lose our dialect, after all.

@SuperTed.

Күн бұрын

Cool

@ebenezercunningham9073

Күн бұрын

Thanks for this little bit of history. God bless.

I'm honestly amazed at how comprehensible this is. I had expected much more Middle-English era words and grammar to be present, especially in the middle of the Great Vowel Shift, but now I'm happy that, were I to acquire a time machine, I could have a pint with the lads 400 years ago 😂

@Galenus1234

29 күн бұрын

I think that sentence structures, pronunciation and vocabulary are unfamiliar to a speaker of modern English, but yet they are understandable (especially when they were spoken slowly). A quite short exposure to this Middle English speech (maybe some weeks just living amongst 16th century Londoners, NOT formal training) should be enough to bridge the language gap. I bet that there are remote *modern* dialects of English, that are harder to understand.

@mesechabe

29 күн бұрын

this is early modern English, progressed well past Middle English even of Chaucer’s time. He died 1400. In 1586, the time of Bellot’s book, Shakespeare was 22 years old.

@stephanleo

29 күн бұрын

Then you'd miss the lads by 38 years ;)

@greva2904

28 күн бұрын

@@Galenus1234I’m from Northamptonshire, though I’ve lived on the south coast for 30 years. About 18 years ago I was talking to some drunk geordies and I could only understand about two out of every five words. You’d think being from the midlands I’d have had more chance of understanding them than a southerner would… but nope!

@m00zic

28 күн бұрын

​@@greva2904 I am sometimes a drunk Geordie, and I feel like there's a few similarities especially to the way older people used to speak in the 90s. They would have been born at the turn of the century if you're wondering. I do wonder if we just continue the southern dialect from previous generations as we stubbornly cling on to our regional speech over generations.

“god be wy” looks like how someone might type “god be with you” over text lol

@davidz2690

28 күн бұрын

It’s actually pretty fascinating as this is in the midst of “god be with you” turning into “goodbye” and then “bye”

@m00zic

28 күн бұрын

In Geordie speak it would be W ye (or w yu) tho the phrase has died since people don't tend to say that phrase now

@ericlewisauthor

28 күн бұрын

Elizabethan AF

@jimthain8777

28 күн бұрын

Just wait til the younger folk start pronouncing English the way they text it! That will be a serious headache for older folk.

@davidz2690

28 күн бұрын

@@jimthain8777 well we’ve had texting first 25 years and no sign of that happening lol

I love that old "how is it with you?" ... literally how it's said in the Netherlands and Norway

@DIOBrando-wl4xq

12 күн бұрын

hoe gaat het met jou

@timoloef

9 күн бұрын

@@DIOBrando-wl4xq ja, of: hoe is het met jou? Kan allebei :)

@DIOBrando-wl4xq

9 күн бұрын

@@timoloef fakka met jou

@robertsaget6918

6 күн бұрын

They greet each other "How are you Now?" In Canada

@timoloef

6 күн бұрын

@@robertsaget6918 or: hey bud

'What do you lack?' sounds like my late grandmother, who lived in the Appalachian mountains, when asking if we wanted seconds at the dinner table. This is a fascinating book! Thanks for the excellent video.

@inlemur

27 күн бұрын

I grew up in rural eastern middle Tennessee in the 80s and 90s and this type of expression was absolutely normal

@rakninja

26 күн бұрын

a lot of appalachian communities have been isolated from the rest of the world for quite a bit, so much so that linguistically they're said to be closer to the form of english from just before the period this video discusses.

@Allan_son

26 күн бұрын

​​@@rakninjaI'd be interested to see that quantified. Even in isolation language evolves. Is the speech of Appalachia closer to English of the 1500's or just different in different ways? It also depends on which 1500s dialect you compare it to. I hear a number of things I associate with Northern Ireland, but that accent probably hadn't formed yet,

@rakninja

26 күн бұрын

@@Allan_son if i recall the research, it's mostly referencing the great glottal shift. i wish i could help point you to the correct papers, but you know how youtube comments don't like links. it is pretty dang fascinating, though!

@amazingdoggo

26 күн бұрын

I've heard it all my life in west Texas, too. Plenty of people here whose ancestors came from the southern states within the last 150 years or so, of course. But it's pronounced "like" here. For example, if you're short of money when it comes time to pay, your companion (or a friendly bystander) might ask, "How much do you like?"

7:22 lmao he said “farewell, then” 😂😂 That made me laugh idk why. I wish haggling like this was available everywhere

@UmbrellaGent

29 күн бұрын

A perfect phrase for a passive-agressive goodbye.

@C_In_Outlaw3817

29 күн бұрын

@@UmbrellaGent Lol my Grammy is from TN. Whenever I ask her “Grammy aren’t you gonna tip him?” She always says “shit, I’ll tip my hat and say good day, but I’ll be damn if I got any more to pay.”

@pyrenees2695

29 күн бұрын

@@UmbrellaGent I wonder if the dialogue was passive agressive for the time, if this type of passive-agressive was normal, or if it wasn't at all

@C_In_Outlaw3817

29 күн бұрын

@@pyrenees2695 Nah I think he was just saying bye.

@qeithwreid7745

28 күн бұрын

@@UmbrellaGentit’s like how I say “laters” if I want to be passive-aggressive. Just as in Dizzee Rascal: “playa hatoh? see you latoh!”

Listening to that haggle conversation was incredible. I was cast back in time. Thank you.

We still routinely greet people with "How..." in the north-east. "How lad, ya alreet?"

@Kerithanos

29 күн бұрын

As an American, if I were greeted with the word "how", I would be compelled to include in my reply a phrase such as "paleface" or "smoke-um peace pipe" 🤔

@stumccabe

29 күн бұрын

@@Kerithanos I know that the first native American to make contact with the Pilgrims of Plymouth Colony spoke English. His first words were "Welcome Englishmen". I wonder whether the "how" greeting was actually borrowed from English. btw I live in Plymouth England where the Mayflower set sail from.

@mistressofstones

28 күн бұрын

​@Kerithanos seems the native Americans were speaking good English lol 😊

@philroberts7238

28 күн бұрын

@@mistressofstones That particular one was - it seems he had actually crossed the Atlantic on an English merchant ship.

@ZeroGDucks

28 күн бұрын

In the Guaraní language, the common greeting is "Mba'éichapa", which is basically "How" plus a "pa!" to make it a question 😆

*Working with a crew of hillbillies in western North Carolina years ago.* The boss comes over the radio: "Hey, Buster, how much d'you lack on that job?" Buster, visibly frustrated, answers, "I don't lack none of it". The boss goes silent for a moment, gritting his teeth at the pun. "Damn it, Buster..."

@SupahTrunks7

28 күн бұрын

Could you explain the pun? I’m curious but can’t parse it.

@zeedub8560

28 күн бұрын

@@SupahTrunks7 Southern pronunciation of "like."

@DrWhom

28 күн бұрын

@@zeedub8560 Bill Bryson mentions a southern lady who asks him "How d'ya lack Miss Hippy?" and he is quite confused, not being acquainted with one Miss Hippy and certainly not experiencing any lack of her. Of course, she asked him what he thought of Mississippi.

@zeedub8560

27 күн бұрын

@@DrWhom I was in class one day during my freshman year of h.s., only a year after moving from PA to TX. A girl asked, "Anyone have any type?" I thought, huh? My grandfather was a printer, so I though of printer's type. After a few seconds of confusion, I figured out she was asking for tape.

@justinstewart4889

26 күн бұрын

​@@SupahTrunks7 In Western North Carolina, they pronounce the i sound in night, kite, bright, and etc very...widely. I'm from the Piedmont, and though we're very Southern it is something we don't do. It's jarring even to us. So, I take it that the long i sound made like and lack almost sound the same, so Buster is saying he doesn't like the work he is having to do and being a smart ass.

this is what I came here for! The development of English as a spoken language. thanks Simon, for getting back to this topic.

I don't know a lot about how Londoners spoke in 1586, but I do remember when I was a young child in NE England in the 1960s, that when counting money in shops, in phrases like 'two pence', 'three pence', 'six pence', people always used to stress the number and not the word 'pence'. So they said 'tuppence', 'threppence', 'sixpence' as if they were single words. The coins were known as 'tuppney, threpney and sixpenny' bits. But when the UK currency was decimalised in 1971, people in shops started saying, instead, "That will be six new pence, please' stressing the fact that it was new pence and not old. After a few years, they stopped saying 'new pence'. But the word pence continued to hold its stress. I never heard the word 'bit' used for coins any more after that. They became known as two-pence, five-pence and ten-pence pieces. Does anyone else remember this?

@mesechabe

29 күн бұрын

being an American no, I don’t remember that, but I remember the word “bits” being used to indicate monetary value. There was a sports cheer in which the usage appeared for a long time, “two bits four bits, six bits, a dollar, all for the Tigers, stand up and holler!” I remember reasoning that if the progression was two bits, four bits, six bits, a dollar, then a dollar must have been eight bits, so two bits was 12 1/2 cents! I asked my dad and he had no idea what I was talking about.

@sluggo206

29 күн бұрын

"8-bit coin" or "pieces of 8" was used for divisions of the Spanish dollar in colonial times in the Americas.

@Nea1wood

29 күн бұрын

@@sluggo206 And Bitcoin itself, of course! How could I have missed that? 🙂

@dibblethwaite

29 күн бұрын

Yes, I remember but there was never a tuppney bit in old money.

@faithlesshound5621

29 күн бұрын

@@dibblethwaite You're right, we spoke of "tuppence" but the 2d coin only existed in Maundy Money, which was worth far more than its face value. There was, however, the half penny coin, or "hA'penny bit." It had a galleon on the back: referenced by JK Rowling in the "Galleon," the largest coin in Wizarding Britain. Something cheap or tawdry could be described as "tuppenny ha'penny" or worth 2.5d, which at one time was enough to send a postcard, or an unsealed Xmas card: what later became second class post. Now that costs 85p, or 17 shillings in old money: though inflation means the increase is nothing like as bad as it looks.

What's funny about English in this time (say, 1500-1640ish) is that when subtitles are included, as you've done here, it's really easy to understand. But if the subtitles were to go away (i.e. if I were that time traveler) then I could maybe pick up about half of the conversational speech I heard. What I love about your videos is the eerieness of Middle and Early Modern English, almost like you're listening to some buried ancestral memory. I keep looking for ways to include your inspiration in my fiction. Thanks so much for this rare window into the past, Simon. ❤

One of my favourite British English greetings which makes no sense when I think about it is "Now then". Me and my friends use it all the time

@almishti

8 күн бұрын

I lived in UK for 9 years and my favorite greeting is "ey ya c*** ya alright" 😂

@WgCdrLuddite

7 күн бұрын

@@almishti So have you taken the hint yet ?

@antonystringfellow5152

Күн бұрын

In the village in the North of England where I grew up, "How do?" was a common greeting

I read books from the 1500s, albeit printed in the early 1600s. Sometimes people look over my shoulder and ask me if it's Old English. "No," I tell them. "It's Early Modern English. Not too different from today, innit?" Cheers! Thanks. Lovely, this. Keep making these videos.

@rikwisselink-bijker

27 күн бұрын

500 years is objectively old, even for a language, so the confusion of lay people (including myself) is understandable.

I like how this is pretty much how conversational or utilitarian language books are written today. Everyday dialogues, sometimes a bit stilted, and often presented in the same three columns: the language to be learned, the meaning in your own language, and a transliteration of the new language in your own phonetics.

“How do?” was used as a greeting in Manchester where I lived in the 1960s and 70s.

@paulaunger3061

7 күн бұрын

Still is ;)

@khuntasaurus88

5 күн бұрын

I think its a precursor to the southern "Howdy"

Probably one of the best talks yet. A controversial view but one I am growing more and more to believe is that what Shakespeare wrote in the 1590s to 1610s was NOT everyday speech of that time but was some sort of confected recollected speech from perhaps 50 years earlier and then corrupted by memory and grandeloquence. I have a long text written by a very articulate man, John Mayer, Master of Sedbergh School in the 1590s. He was no fool, but a fellow of St. John's Cambridge. Like this gentleman he writes much more freely that Shakespeare makes his characters speak. The text was an answer to a Chancery Bill, but John Mayer was not a Lawyer and so he literally wrote to describe his everyday experience as articulately as he could, and he was articulate.

@philroberts7238

28 күн бұрын

A lot of it was conscious and deliberate grandiloquence. Not even the 'nobs' would have gone around speaking in iambic, pentametric verse!

@rickpeters1626

28 күн бұрын

You might call it 'stagey'.

@jimthain8777

28 күн бұрын

I think Shakespeare wrote in a register that was slightly above the everyday use of his time, but not so much that everyday people would not understand it.

@capitalb5889

28 күн бұрын

Shakespeare wrote in blank verse, so it was already not a normal speech pattern. And sticking to the rules of the verse would have influenced word choices and and style.

@ewanherbert3402

28 күн бұрын

Didn't he write plays set in the past? I know people weren't as educated back then, but maybe it would've still sounded weird if those historical kings sounded "contemporary", same as if we made a WW2 movie where Churchill says things like "cringe", "yikes" or "rizz"

I find this fascinating. As a school psychologist who is highly interested in dyslexia, this is a treasure trove of information about our use of language and the written symbols that allow us to reproduce the sounds of said language. The evolution of the language and the written words of it is itself fascinating.

@bobojenkins5805

3 күн бұрын

Are you going to cure dyslexia? If so how far along are ye?

I love Jacques Bellot´s book, as a language teacher myself I really appreciate when reading it, just how well written it is and how it makes use of proven methods today, i.e dialogue, it contextualises the language really well and you get the idea this was a teacher who knew how to make his classes enjoyable and explain things really well.

its remarkable that we could easily communicate in english with these people using current english, nearly 450 years later.

I was also surprised about how easy it was to understand 95%, the rest I would pass over. As a Brit thats been in the US for 40 years, I have the same problem today, I'm still acquiring UK English again, and many street talk I overhear is nearly incromprhensible to me.

@DrWhom

28 күн бұрын

"many street talk" ? you really have been away for a while...

its worth noting that a frenchmen might be more likely to notice/register contractions that are similar to frech, like th' corrisponding to l'

@Mcfunface

29 күн бұрын

An astute observation

@Allan_son

26 күн бұрын

​It's interesting that modern English has the opposite trend. The vowel in "the" strengthens before a word starting with a vowel rather than disappearing. "Thə man" but "thee opposite".

@tommccanna7036

11 күн бұрын

@@Allan_son That was the case in classical British Received Pronunciation. But there's an even more modern trend of using Thə before a vowel.

@bacicinvatteneaca

3 күн бұрын

That's because modern English diphthongises every tense vowel apart frombroad a, and at the end of the day this means they all get an optional final semiconsonant, preventing hiatus that English so hates

I follow you Simon for years, since your early "on a chair" videos and untill now I find you my best discovery on YT. Not only the great knowledge and passion but the voice as well. Thank you for all you make and as always, best wishes from Poland :)

@jmolofsson

29 күн бұрын

Seconded!

@chaoticgiraffe

28 күн бұрын

Thirded

@markgeraghty4125

28 күн бұрын

Forthded 🤣

@robwillems4398

28 күн бұрын

Veefed

@michagorka3789

27 күн бұрын

Piąty kurwa ;) to put emphasis on Polish background :) the second Polish word is probably the only one every Brit knows ;)

Like a bullet to the head I’ve just realised that growing up in Rotherham I used to hear “How do” (as a greeting) all the time between grown ups. Fantastic vid as always mate.

Interestingly, I'm starting to hear modern youth say, "Can I come with?" not, "Can I come with you?" Mitkommen is German, but in English this appears to be making a strange comeback.

@HeadsFullOfEyeballs

29 күн бұрын

"Come with", at least in American English, has been around for a long time I'm pretty sure! It was a Germanism (or maybe a Yiddish-ism?) originally, but spread from the language of German immigrants to colloquial speech more generally in some regions. Compare also "what gives?" from "was gibt's"?

@m00zic

28 күн бұрын

Yeh I agree I've come with in England. Maybe in the North especially Yorkshire and the North East

@elizabethwall8063

28 күн бұрын

Interesting….Growing up in the ‘80s in Northern Virginia in the U.S., I had a friend who always said “come with” without the “me,” and I always found it annoying somehow-like, “Just finish the sentence!!” But now I see there are historical reasons for that expression. I’m not sure where she got it from since no one else in our area seemed to say it that way, but it must have been something passed down in her family.

@FenceThis

28 күн бұрын

it’s exactly what they say in Danish: “kan jeg komme med ?” much closer than in German (also the ‘soft d’ in ‘med’ reminiscent to the ‘th’ in ‘with’)

@valentinmitterbauer4196

28 күн бұрын

A common mistake for german speakers learning english: Asking for the time. They don't ask "What is the time?" or even "Is it late?", but "How late is it?", implying that they are late at any given moment and just request an estimation of their relative lateness.

It is amazing how many of these patterns still survive in northern England. Even 'thee' is heard occasionally

@paulclarkson9391

10 күн бұрын

They say it all the time in Barnsley.

@benanderson89

5 күн бұрын

"How do" is probably the second most common greeting in the north east after y'allreet.

You’ll still hear ‘How goes it’ and ‘how do you’ in the US. Rural and southern

@Ksim3000

28 күн бұрын

You can still hear these phrases in parts of the UK too. I even use them from time to time as well. 😅

@bootmii98

28 күн бұрын

"how do ye" became "howdy"

@rickpeters1626

28 күн бұрын

@@bootmii98 Very interesting, thank you! Regarding the use of 'ye' as a plural, I wonder if it was once more often used as an address to a group than to an individual. 'Howdy folks' will be familiar to anyone who's ever seen a Western.

@EdMcF1

28 күн бұрын

'How goes it' was a standard greeting from a Rhodesian/Zimbabwean (White) friend of mine born in the 1960s. It sounded odd in 1980s England.

@carolinejames7257

25 күн бұрын

As an Australian born in the 1960s, I've both heard and used "How goes it?", "How's it going?", and "How's it hanging?" The first of those is more old fashioned, the middle one still current, and the last is both more casual and more ... crude or uncouth.

I found the phrase right at the end of this video really interesting, “what is of the clock?” “it is two of the clock” and explains why we say 2 o’clock now.

@highdesertutah

7 күн бұрын

In the US it’s more like 2 a’clock.

I was born in Lancashire but have lived most of my life in the Netherlands. I speak Dutch fluently and without an English accent and am convinced that me having a broad Lancashire accent helped me as there are so many words and ways if speaking Dutch that are almost the same. We always hear English compared to French or German but really Dutch, Flemish and most of the Scandinavian languages are more similar.

@LMB2301

27 күн бұрын

As a Lancashire lass living in Sweden, I can only agree! I studied languages and I once read in an authoritative book that the closest language to English is in fact Dutch, but I think the Scandi languages of Swedish, Danish and Norwegian come a close second.

@user-vv4hg7me1q

17 күн бұрын

Yes, me too. Cheshire cat.

@DavidJohnThompson

10 күн бұрын

​@@LMB2301A week ago I was having dinner with two Danish friends. I'm a Lancashire lad, the other guest is from Yorkshire. Half way through, Lars, at of the blue said, why is it so easy for me to understand you two so easily. I couldn't find any explanation, but after your comment, I can now.

@benanderson89

5 күн бұрын

If you find someone with a broad dialect in Sunderland or Newcastle, half the worlds are still Dutch and Scandinavian. I'm from Sunderland, and if I was to say "I'm going home" I'd say it in what is basically a pidgin Norwegian: "am gaan hjem".

I think you'd find the 1819 Burslem Dialogue quite interesting, its an account of two men from Stoke-on-Trent in the early 19th century, it's avaliable from Google books for free.

@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn

29 күн бұрын

Thanks, I hadn´t heard of this!

@stephenryan7855

28 күн бұрын

Thank you. Is it much different from today?

@Tonks143

28 күн бұрын

@@stephenryan7855 There are some differences, but it's hard to tell because the author wrote it phonetically, but not using a modern phonetic transcription. But when I've read it it doesn't sound too different from some of the oldest people I've met in the North of Stoke-on-Trent near to where the dialogue is supposed to have taken place.

thank you for the tips, going to gradually pepper these phrases into my casual speech to subconsciously manipulate my friends into adopting them and spreading it to their friends

@KateGladstone

9 күн бұрын

How has that been going? I’d like to know!

You should visit the west of Ireland where some of these things are still common. One weird thing is that we use "ye" (pronounced "yee") strictly as a plural for "you". Most of the time, people who hear this don't realize it's a plural and assume it's just a weird way of pronouncing "you". One time on a work trip to the US someone asked why we sometimes say "you" and sometimes "yee". I realized then it's not obvious because a lot of English speakers don't make any singular/plural distinction for "you" at all.

@celiabarrett2107

28 күн бұрын

My grandma spoke this way, she'd say ye three be quiet. But you if just one of us. She was from South West Ireland.

@Xezlec

28 күн бұрын

Here in Texas, "y'all" is definitely the normal standard plural form of "you".

@sarahrosen4985

28 күн бұрын

Don't forget you & you'nz / yinz.

@jimthain8777

28 күн бұрын

Actually many of us do have a plural for the you pronoun, but it isn't anything like "yee", in my area it "you guys" (regardless of gender), in some parts of North America is Y'all, (which is you+all).

@casparwright1891

28 күн бұрын

Yous is common in Australia. And I mean common 😊

Really like the ‘time traveller’ insights in your videos.

Not only a fascinating and powerful presentation here, but a wonderful community of thoughtful enthusiastic commenters. What can all think and write proper, like . . . eh! Tremendous! I love to hear this language. Thanks to Simon Roper and everyone!

Hello Simon. I have heard many of these sentences uttered by both rural dwellers and traveling people in Cumbria, so the language is still extant. The countryside is so conservative in nature and so steeped in heritage that some phrases are as enduring as the seasonal traditions, especially in this sometimes forgotten nook of furthest north-west England. I enjoy listening to your presentations and look forward to more of them.

Fascinating. It occurred to me the lack of contractions may be to ensure non-native speakers aren't misunderstood, since accents can mess with pronunciation. But all the discussion about evolution of informal speech has made me want to listen to Fairport Convention's "Come All Ye". 😀

9:30 My god, I’ve just realized that the “o” in “o’clock” stands for “of”, so when we say something like “it’s 5 o’clock”, we’re actually saying “it’s 5 of (the) clock” 😮

@KushLemon

12 күн бұрын

You are slow, aren't you?

@Daisy-tl2lh

8 күн бұрын

Yes!

@dragondov

8 күн бұрын

I always assumed it was for on-the-clock.

@Cricket2731

7 күн бұрын

I learned this in primary school, back in the 1960s!

@bill-2018

7 күн бұрын

I knew this as a kid. I'm aged 68 now.

A linguistic treasure! Brought to life by your awesome voice and reconstructed phonology!

My man, that was absolutely brilliant. And really educational on so many levels! I learned more about 16th century speech. I learned one of the ways we know how people spoke. I got to hear a likely genuine conversation, from 400 years ago. And I leaned the etymology for goodbye. Do more of these!

I like how you can vary the sound of your voice enough to make the two sides of the conversation sound different, but without either of them sounding cartoonish. I always do the audible equivalent of a double take, because it sounds like two different people with similar voices rather than one person playing two characters.

Interesting how this older syntax is closer to Scandinavian languages than current English is.

@sirkalasnefzenlot

29 күн бұрын

Im learning Dutch (in Belgium). The first time I went to see Shakespeare since starting, I had a similar surprise. My understanding was improved allot by learning another germanic language.

@keltzy

28 күн бұрын

@@sirkalasnefzenlot That was how I maintained a grasp on Dutch grammar too when I was studying it. I was just sat there thinking "Wow, this feels a lot like archaic English"

@sarco64

28 күн бұрын

Also closer to modern German. I'm curious about when the "do" forms became required rather than optional for questions and negations in English, as in "Where do you live?" rather than "Where live you?" and "I don't live in London" rather than "I live not in London."

@geisaune793

27 күн бұрын

This older syntax is closer to other germanic languages in general, not just scandinavian languages. The ‘do’ forms likely arose as a result of the Norman invasion. If I remember correctly, in most romance languages descended from Vulgar Latin, the primary way in which you ask a question is simply with rising intonation, not necessarily with subject/verb inversion like in germanic languages. As the Norman-French speaking upper classes gradually intermixed with the Anglo-Saxon lower classes over the centuries, the ‘do’ form probably arose as a sort of grammatical compromise that tried to reconcile the germanic requirement that a question begin with a verb with the romance tendency to maintain SVO word order.

@jeff__w

27 күн бұрын

@@geisaune793 “The ‘do’ forms likely arose as a result of the Norman invasion.” One blog post, summarizing John McWhorter’s view in his book _his book Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue,_ says “What specific elements of the English grammar can be said to be of Celtic origin? One well-studied example of a trait now thought to derive from Celtic is the so-called do-support. In English, a “dummy” auxiliary _do_ must be used to form negative and interrogative sentences; hence, we say _John does not swim_ (instead of _*John swims not_ or _*John not swims)_ and _Does John swim?_ (instead of _*Swims John?)._ Other Germanic languages (German, Dutch, Norwegian, Afrikaans, etc.) do not have this construction (note that the English use of do-support is different from the so-called emphatic _do,_ as in _John does swim!,_ which is found in other Germanic languages). Nor do Romance or Slavic languages have anything resembling do-support. In fact, it’s a rather rare quirk, cross-linguistically. “We now think that English picked it up from its Celtic neighbors. Unlike Germanic languages, Celtic languages like Cornish have had do-support since before English started using it. It is used in Celtic exactly as in English: to express tense and agreement in negative and interrogative sentences.” It then gives several objections to this Celtic hypothesis.

I love these types of videos that describe how conversations actually went

A fascinating video, as always, this should keep my mind busy at work today. Thank you, Simon.

Thank you for that moment of time travel

I love this so much! Both the fact that these translations exist as well as your video. It really scratches my linguistic curiosity itch. 😊

Loved this, thank you for taking the time in to bring this together. This is of value now and potentially for eons to come.

Wonderful! I applaud your erudition and the clarity of your explanations.

As far as the informal use of "thou" as distinct from the more polite "you" is concerned, Shakespeare (and presumably his audiences) was keenly aware of the social nuances involved in the choice. Sometimes a speaker will even shift from one to the other to emphasise a shift in attitude. If I were to suddenly address you as "thou" rather than "you", it would mean I was either trying to be rude or, alternatively, trying to get more familiar in other ways!

@LMB2301

27 күн бұрын

There’s an old English folksong (As I roved out one May morning) where a man meets a maid and begs her to stop a while with him. He begins by addressing her with ‘you’ but after they have lain together he addresses her with ‘thou’. One can only imagine why…

@stevekaczynski3793

26 күн бұрын

In Richard III, the two murderers switch between "you" and "thou" when talking to Clarence before killing him.

@normandduern2413

3 күн бұрын

Sounds to me (French Canadian) like an exact parallel of the French use of 'Tu' - singular familiar - and vous - plural, or singular formal/respectful.

@philroberts7238

3 күн бұрын

@@normandduern2413 Exactly so.

this is such a fascinating resource! very enjoyable video as well, thank you :-) god be wy

Utterly fascinating...Bellot reminds me of Cornelius Krieghof, a Dutch painter who came to Quebec in the 1840's and recorded their way of life in priceless works of art. I'm sure this happened elsewhere as well, where a foreigner was instrumental in recording the details of life in a new land. Thanks for this!!!

I've never watched a video of yours that I didn't love, and that didn't transport me to another time. Thank you for all you do, Simon.

Sentences like “Where live you?” sound to me like a Dutch kid learning English.

@DrWhom

28 күн бұрын

The Dutch never developed the need for do-support.

Fascinating, thank you

i love words, always have. One of my own favorite greetings which I puzzle people with when greeting them is: "How is you am when you are?". I enjoy old English and Victorian vernacular. Thanks for posting.

I really enjoy these Simon. I've been subscribed for some time now - since your very early videos - and I'm glad to see you're not only keeping up with it, but that you've really taken it to the next level.

Wow. What an unbelievably valuable document for linguists

Hey Simon. There were love letters from king Henry the 8th to Anne boyelin. I thought: how about using that source and reading them as they were been read at the time? You would have a real cotemporary example from the early 1500s

@heythisanimalcantalk

28 күн бұрын

I second this. I'd love to hear them read.

Your videos are always fascinating. Thank you ❤

That haggling part is just, marvellous! Thank ye sir! For this gift of content!

Well i think i worked out where the American greeting "howdy" comes from... perhaps originally it was "how do?"

@philroberts7238

28 күн бұрын

No question about that, I'd say.

@Ed_McArdle

28 күн бұрын

Via “howdy-do” (how do you do)

@tonydai782

28 күн бұрын

It's from how do ye

Just found this channel, this is the coolest

This is fascinating and answers the exact question that's rattled around my brain for years now. Thank you for making it.

Simon Roper dropped another thoughtful and wonderful video. It's a great day!

"how are you going " for "how are you doing" is the way we say it in German, but also in norwegian. Good example for how out languages were more similar the further you go back

@einarbolstad8150

28 күн бұрын

In Norwegian it would most likely be "how is it going?" or, if directly translated, "how goes it?" (hvordan går det?) or "how is it going with you?", which directly translated is, "how goes it with you?" (hvordan går det med deg?).

@keighlancoe5933

27 күн бұрын

Where I'm from in England you can say 'how's it going' which means the same as how are you doing.

@carolinejames7257

25 күн бұрын

In Australia, "How's it going?" is equivalent to "How are you?" - but more frequently used.

@oj9370

21 күн бұрын

I say, "How's it going?" but you even here "how's it" shortened, as everyone understands the context. NW England here.

i remember reading that Quakers in the mid to late 1600s got into a lot of trouble by speaking informally to nobility, as per our stance on radical equality, and that included them using "thou" instead of "you"

That haggling part was fascinating!

Why did hearing those conversations make me feel nostalgic?

Would make some good voice lines for characters in a game based in Tudor England! Very interesting stuff, thanks.

A lot of this phrasing is still normal to speakers of Dublin English. You definitely need to cover it.

Fascinating! Thanks for this video! Now, I just need to offer to sell something for a jacked up price so that I will get the opportunity to say "I may not sell them so."

Simon! Love these videos. It’s awesome that somebody out there has the desire and background to follow the paths to ‘ye olde spaek’ so long ago. Hope you’re down for the influx of new subs from the minor revival of past times in the gaming sphere due to Manor Lords game! Keep making these videos, they seriously give me more reason to love not just this beautiful planet we’re on, but it’s - and our - beautiful past too! Cheers from Canada eh?

I really enjoy the little scenes of what I assume is the garden.

A gem of a video 😊

I don't comment a lot here, but I just like to say thank you for this and all your posts. I am chuffed that without reading the text, I understood the conversation. Thanks to early exposure to dear Catweazel, I have grown up with a passion for English in it's many manifestations. Truly thou art a delver of words. 🇦🇺🙏👍

A lovely video. A lot of work and learning has gone into it. Thank you.

I might have misconstrued, but it may be worthwhile considering the the "y' " is not just a short form of ye, but the french pronunciation of 'y' - 'ee' (...mal y pense). I often had shouted at me as a boy "I'll give ee a thick ear if...".

@bacicinvatteneaca

3 күн бұрын

Not just that - French's "y" as a particle, is related to Italian "ci" and galloitalic "ghe", meaning it was probably originally a consonant+vowel sequence; it could be that, at Bellot''s time, "y" was still pronounced [ji] or [i:] rather than [i] a in modern French

Native Quebec French speaker here. I'll start off by saying that Quebec French has many archaic or unique features compared to Metropolitan French, and that's a whole Pandora's Box of its own, and Quebec French is closely related to older forms of French which had a lot of influence on Old English. Now to the point I mean to make, old English seems to have many grammatical structures that are similar to French. Inverting the verb and subject in a question for example, without the need for an auxiliary "do" for it to make sense. It "feels" natural to a French speaker. Also, I have some degree of knowledge of the Icelandic language, and an equivalent of "thou" is still used by the Icelanders. As a matter of fact, they still use it with the "original" letters "thorn" - Þú - when used in a more formally correct way, and with "eth" - ðu - when slipped into casual speech. The transition from þú to -ðu is similar to contractions using the apostrophe in the English language (you are not = you aren't, etc). A simple Icelandic greeting: What say you? (that choice of words for a greeting already feels archaic by modern English perspective) Formal - Hvað segir þú? Casual - Hvað segirðu? Considering Old English in the context of it historical linguistic ecosystem makes it all the more interesting, I find.

Very cool. More of this please. Hearing the dialogues is awesome

Considerng over 4 centuries have elapsed, it's remarkable how easy most of this is to understand. Cumpared to Chaucer, it's grown much closer to modern English in a fairly short time.

I'm gonna go down the shops and say: "Let us have a reckoning". It's going to work out great.

@taranullius9221

29 күн бұрын

P.S. I would not advise Americans to conduct this experiment.

@carpathiangirl8460

28 күн бұрын

Will they hit you over the head with the cash register?

@alexmckee4683

14 күн бұрын

I have heard "what do you reckon it is" years ago, meaning exactly this - what do I owe.

Very interesting. Would you please do a reading of William Caxton's Preface to Eneydos (1490), in the pronunciation of the time, where he discusses the difficulties of translating into English? Thank you very much!

I love how the whole video is just some random footage of some grass.

this book is an invaluable resource, thank you for talking about it

The King James Bible & the Church preserved the use of “thou” in addressing God precisely because it was the informal “you”; the idea was that one’s relationship with God should be the most intimate relationship of all. It’s one of those funny bits of linguistic history - it’s because “thou” was eventually preserved *primarily* in Scripture and worship, it over time came to be understood as the more formal pronoun. The exact opposite of what it originally was. I love that.

@bacicinvatteneaca

3 күн бұрын

I though it was to make the Bible sound older, because it was already antiquated to use though at the time

@draelyc

3 күн бұрын

@@bacicinvatteneaca Hmm, I've never heard that explanation. I'd be skeptical, though ~ I don't think that Shakespeare was trying to make Hamlet sound older, you know? And his writing was contemporary with the KJV.

The Bellot work is such a unique and valuable resource. Very interesting.

What a brilliant find - thank you.

It’s amazing that thou and thee largely died in London in the sixteenth century, but persist in some dialects today, although always as a weak form (‘how’s tha doing?’)

@greengraciano6846

28 күн бұрын

Hm? I've never heard 'how's tha doing'? in my life?

@philroberts7238

28 күн бұрын

@@greengraciano6846 Where do you live?

@greengraciano6846

28 күн бұрын

@@philroberts7238 England, Northwest.

@lamudri

25 күн бұрын

Maybe it's just a Yorkshire thing these days, but it's still reasonably common there.

Fascinating similarities with Dutch! de rekening - the bill Hoe is het met jou/je? - How are you? Disclaimer: I'm not a Dutch native speaker, I'm just familiar with it from frequent travelling to Flanders and NL, but I recognise some terms and a lot of the sentence structure. On a related note, Simon, could you look into the history of Dutch influence on English through East Anglia? I have read that, in 1578, before which Elizabeth I allowed a large number of Dutch-speaking refugees to settle in the area, around a third of the population of Norwich were Dutch speakers. I've also heard that, during the Elizabethan and Jacobean periods, Dutch culture and architecture seen as highly admirable. I wonder if this too entailed influence on English, particularly through commerce.

@DrWhom

28 күн бұрын

Not so much Dutch influence as Dutch grammar having retained original features.

@mattc9998

28 күн бұрын

@@DrWhom Either way, the fact that Dutch and English at one point were even more alike than they are now is fascinating.

“Cast th’other penny” is such a fun little phrase.

What a superb video and topic. Iċ þancie þē, mīn freond!

Once again 16th century Londoners giving me big Geordie energy. Also recognise "Where live you, (name)?" as a construction I've heard in Ireland among my family back there. To this day my Irish father uses 'ye' as a plural for you, so cool.

@jasperfk

28 күн бұрын

Tyne & Tees accents are the closest link we currently have to continental Germanic languages. If you are struggling to speak with a German accent, talking in a Geordie accent is a good starting point!

@ThatGreatGuyJesus

27 күн бұрын

Ye is still used all over Ireland as a plural for you, & ya is regularly used for a singular person

I think I’d get by ok during this time . I struggled with Shakespeare growing up but speaking with just some random guy on the street wouldn’t be so bad it seems

@HANKTHEDANKEST

29 күн бұрын

I never cared for Shakespeare either until I heard some of it in original pronunciation, which is a bit of a thing now--you can see whole plays done in the original dialect, and it's wild! All sorts of things start to rhyme and it all becomes much more lively, and IMO easier to understand. YMMV.

@C_In_Outlaw3817

29 күн бұрын

@@HANKTHEDANKEST Yea pronunciation is a big part of it.

@RealUlrichLeland

29 күн бұрын

Shakespeare is a lot easier to understand if the dialogue is less formal and if the actor gives a good performance. I just watched player kings and I could understand everything Ian McKellens working class character Falstaff was saying, but when the king spoke it was much more inscrutable. If the actor is able to give the proper intonation it helps a lot.

@wezzuh2482

29 күн бұрын

@@HANKTHEDANKEST Yeah. I love Original Pronunciation! Even wrote my major's on the subject. It sounds super cool and makes it much more alive. Love scansing sonnets using OP.

@C_In_Outlaw3817

29 күн бұрын

@@RealUlrichLeland Well I was more so commenting on how easy it would be talking to a regular day to day person from that time. I guess when I was reading written works from that period back in HS, I always thought that people walked around talking like Romeo 😂 Whereas listening to the person in the recording in this video is so simple. If I went back in time I’d have no problem getting around in 1586 England lol.

I reckon that with a few weeks of exposure to the informalities of this type of English, a modern person with fair familiarity to a few disparate modern English variations could adapt to this. 450 years is a long time, so it is impressive how much it still resembles contemporary speech.

Fascinating stuff, thanks for posting.

"How" as a greeting appears to have survived in present-day Geordie English, although I am relying on Viz magazine to know that!

@carmenlottner297

28 күн бұрын

Same source as me!

@rickpeters1626

28 күн бұрын

500 years from now surviving copies of Viz will be fascinating historical documents!

@stevekaczynski3793

26 күн бұрын

@@rickpeters1626 People will speculate about the Fat Slags like we now discuss The Wife of Bath.