thank u for summarising a situation i had lost complete track of

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for inspiring me to make commentary! It is kinda cool to see this go full circle

@danggoobus5808

Жыл бұрын

My favs supporting eachother omg

@debbienotdeborah

Жыл бұрын

Awww. Nabber Nice 🥰

@thefaeking

Жыл бұрын

Inabba

@piebutts

Жыл бұрын

inabber and mika collab when ♥

Devastated to learn “I’m fast as fuck boi” is keemstar

@yumeberries120

Жыл бұрын

noo..ur joking pleaseee.

I'm so tired of people calling something a debate and then yelling some non-argument over the other person's word until they just give up

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

That’s a lot of the online ‘debate’ sphere and I hate it

@Soren59

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I can never watch those 'debates'. If one side isn't engaging in good faith then it just becomes a yelling match or a publicity stunt. Not worth the time.

@tatianaameliaify

Жыл бұрын

I love a good argument. I dont mind being logically wrong but I hate when it devolves to yelling and cutting people off. Nothing fun about that. Mental ping pong is fun though

I never thought Def Noodles needed to be held to any journalistic standards, but this is outright bullying from him. He's being dishonest when he claims to be rightfully retaliating against people because by the look of it, he's just harassing a guy who gave him valid criticism. The Hannafication of it all is palpable.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

I think the issue was that Def holds himself to journalistic standards when it’s convenient

@FukaiKokoro

Жыл бұрын

YES MIKA 🙌

@atinycookieplushie

Жыл бұрын

Def has a pattern doing that and a pattern of leaving out context to smear someone or mess up a story he's reporting on. And a pattern of his audience having to beg him to correct the story, beg him to try to understand, or beg him to pull tweets down. Kinda scary when someone like that seems to have a shaky moral foundation with a platform as large as his, while demonstrating no remorse or ability to learn / do better.

@sltslt24

Жыл бұрын

@@atinycookieplushie I myself have commented on his video he is leaving out facts to make someone look good or bad. Now alot of his comment section is just people telling him to own up to his faults and he needs to grow up but he just ignores it. It's literally he's entire comment section is telling him to stop.

@lizthedisjointedzebra692

Жыл бұрын

YES!!! He is totally going Gabbie Hannah on everyone's ass that has the audacity to criticize him!

I think we should all make a rule where you're not allowed to call your work satire until someone else does.

@genericname8727

Жыл бұрын

Nah, you can do satire that doesn’t land. You’ve just got to know what you’re satirising, know what satire is, understand the medium and platform you’re presenting your satire through, and not insist repeatedly to your audience that you’re being authentic. Sometimes satire just doesn’t register to some people, like some people don’t pick up on sarcasm, but the creator of the satire should be trying to present something satirically at the very least.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

I agree that it can be satire and still miss but you should not market yourself off of it if no one else gets it

I just have one question. Why the FUCK would Twitter EVER introduce a voice call feature?! Why?? That’s the single worst feature I could ever think to add to a site like Twitter.

@imightnotmakeit

Жыл бұрын

It’s on Reddit too and it’s even more ridiculous

@nailinthefashion

Жыл бұрын

Literally begging for people to abuse it. MAPs and Conservatives drooling over the ways

def noodles just admitted to being 37 years old. obviously it shouldn’t matter how old someone is, but it really highlights dennis’ immaturity as he literally acts like a teenager. he’s also attacked keemstar for being 40 y/o and definitely leveraged the perception that he was in his mid-20s at the time. he clearly painted himself to be an up-and-coming, young guy being attacked by an established person in the industry. it just feels slimey.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s questionable to even lie about that in the first place

@thefelicits

Жыл бұрын

How old did he previously claim to be?

@lydiabliss4473

Жыл бұрын

@@thefelicits late twenties…he was never super specific about it but he let a vulture article say he was in his 20s and famous birthdays says 27

@thefelicits

Жыл бұрын

@@lydiabliss4473 that's crazy he doesn't even look younger than he is lol

the most upsetting part of this whole situation is having to admit keem is right about something

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

YES OMG IT BROUGHT TOGETHER SO MANY PPL I DISAGREE WITH

@hippopajamas

Жыл бұрын

@@MikasRhetoric It's like the meme. Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point

Def Noodles is like listening to Ben Shapiro. Talking over people, and talking fast in his shrill little voice while not actually making any solid argument.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

And just repeating the same question over and over like it changes anything

@samelmao

Жыл бұрын

@Big @ss Flower i can recommend videos from „Some More News“ (just search for their channel + his name), maybe their comedy can be lost on some viewers but the points they make are still very good imo

@nailinthefashion

Жыл бұрын

Ben also randomly shows off his muscles when he needs attensh... the overlap is jarring

@samelmao

Жыл бұрын

@Big @ss Flower waiting for what?

@yuiopajeipotatoes85

Жыл бұрын

@Big @ss Flower search it yourself, no need to wait

The way Def Noodles tried to weasel out of being accountable for his own stupid actions has given me a headache that I cannot get rid of.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

I have a bit of brain rot tbh

@DannnyPhantomx

Жыл бұрын

Imagine letting someone you don’t know live rent free in your head and you actually admitting to it.. couldn’t be me though

@Maanyaa

Жыл бұрын

@@DannnyPhantomx oh so Dennis owes me rent? OK I need to ask him to pay up!!

Def: "Do you think *blank* is funny?" Whoever: "Depends on context." Def: "So, you think *blank* is objectively funny?" NO, Def! He quite literally said it depends on context, so it's the opposite of objectively funny. If something depends on context then it's not objective. I hate when people use basic words without knowing what they mean or even being close to the meaning. Like you are just mimicking big words without understanding them.

@thefelicits

Жыл бұрын

Nothing is objectively funny maybe DN not understanding that goes some way to explaining why he's such a terrible comedian

I knew the second he claimed it was a character cuz he got criticized. That channel was never meant to be satire, there was no character. He’s just incapable of admitting he’s wrong and will bullshit to convince himself that he’s not. Glad more people are seeing it

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Like arguably he was trying to portray something but a character needs to surpass aesthetics alone. Just because you have cat headphones doesn’t mean it is now a character

I tried watching him once and not one time have I ever thought "wow this guy is a comedic genius I wish I could see him on stage"

It was only a matter of time.. I'm just surprised how long it took. I've consistently noticed him being disrespectful and playing it off in a unapologetic arrogant way. His social media and general content beyond that is filled with tabloid-esque low jab themed gossip that really just isn't tasteful at all. I've said it once and I'll say it again, im disappointed in people for making him as popular as he is. Especially when viewers typically dogpile others for much less or less deserving. Its really all just a mess of wtf is going on

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

The worst part is that I think the boost came from him being a ‘legit news source’ on Twitter and nothing to do with his actual character of def noodles

@kyleeguthrie1787

Жыл бұрын

@@MikasRhetoric I actually found him through Twitter because he was tweeting about thhe James Charles drama & thats when i started keeping up with Frenemies. He was super quick with condensing and reporting Frenemies drama so I would watch for the quick rundown before watching a longer video. His Twitter was the ‘news source’ for all internet drama so I don’t get his argument that he has always been satirical.

@Cristina_504

Жыл бұрын

@@MikasRhetoric that’s so true in all his comments most people say the same thing, it was part of their morning routine to catch up on the latest news, I never did because I knew he was full of shit but NOBODY ever bought the comedian aspect lol he’s not funny at all

@nailinthefashion

Жыл бұрын

He reminds me of Perez Hilton, I don't feel as though it's necessary to elaborate

That trick Nick did to Def about “do you think SA is funny?” That’s an amazingly clever and sharp response.

I'm always fascinated by the way people use "it's satire!" to defend when they are saying bat$hit things. It's a huge pet peeve of mine because actual satire is ART. I think Colbert ruined it by making a generation of people (mostly men) think that it's easy

@Kayla_P99

Жыл бұрын

Also satire punches up, a lot of people are really just bullying. Voltaire's satire got him exiled from France because of his scathing opinions of the crown and the church. He wasn't mocking peasants because there are better things to be critical of.

@lukewarmsinkwater5857

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! The goal of satire is to put something out of proportion to show how ridiculus it is and there is the need for talent but also sensitivity, else it's just bullying.

I feel like a lot of real, sloppy internet drama comes from people who can't separate constructive criticism from personal attack and escalate it from there. In the first semester of creative writing, my professor didn't let the person who was getting feedback from the class talk until EVERYONE was done and even then you could only answer questions and explain confusion from the class. I think a lot of internet creators would benefit from just taking a breath when they want to escalate off of constructive criticism.

My favorite moment was when Papa Gut asked if Def Noodles has ever loved someone, and Def's response was "...Nicholas." A hint of romance was exactly what was needed.

“Take a shot every time Def Noodles says Keemstar. You’ll die. 🤷‍♀️” PLEASE this was so funny 😭💀

my thing with nick deorio is that he's just an incel in disguise. i remember when the creepshow emily art thing was happening, he went on someone's stream who was covering the situation (blanking on the name, sorry) and victim blaming emily and yelling for evidence. he was tag teaming them with someone else. and men doing that to victims who are women, any victims in general, NEVER sits right with me. so i really do not care whether he said something positive or not, victim blaming is an automatic no for me. you brought up several great points and i really appreciate how you took the time to watch everything before making comments to fully process.

@bluz1864

Жыл бұрын

I'm blanking out on the name too but I remember that. I never liked him but that's when I lost all respect for him.

@pinguufuuuu

Жыл бұрын

@@bluz1864 thank god i wasnt the only one remembering it i thought it was a fever dream because i could never find that channel again. i never heard of him before that stream and i will never listen to a word he has to say after now. just gross.

@lastilnovista

Жыл бұрын

it was “John’s Peanut Gallery” channel, which got booted off YT shortly thereafter. i was there for that livestream and it was such a sh*tshow. to be fair, Tommy C was way worse than Nick. Nick was mostly being a devil’s advocate/contrarian, but Tommy was a screeching, hysterical mess. literally frothing and raging while Peanut (the host) was so calm and gracious. all emotion, no logic. so embarrassing, lmao. that was my very first introduction to those two dudes, and it was gross. in the year since, my opinion has warmed slightly on Nick because he *is* unquestionably smart, and raises very compelling points sometimes. it’s his delivery and attitude that are d-baggy, but that’s just his brand/persona. while i don’t always agree with his analysis, every once in a while, i will be curious and seek out his opinion on a particular situation, because at the very least, it will be interesting. the other thing i respect about Nick is that he is a formidable debate opponent who is excellent at sparring with others, whether or not you agree with his position. Nick v. Repzilla & Nick v. John Swan were incredible conversations to behold, and i found myself cheering for Nick in spite of myself. do i like Nick? no, but i don’t have to like him (or anyone, for that matter - all this stuff about “liking” people is juvenile, imo). i have definitely grown to respect him though, because he is really quite good at what he does. Nick earns his Ws because he’s good at reading people, and (for better or worse) fearless when it comes to confrontation. the first time i found myself agreeing with him, i laughed and thought “HEARTBREAKING: The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Great Point,” but over time realised he’s more than just a broken clock. his deft handling of Dennis’ manipulative attempt at a “gotcha” here was tactically brilliant. 10/10 (my opinion of Tommy remains unchanged, lol. he’s an unhinged rageclown who thinks that whomever shouts the loudest wins. 0/10)

@pinguufuuuu

Жыл бұрын

@@lastilnovista YESSSS thats EXACTLY the channel. both of them were awful in that stream. i'm glad you were able to find something positive about nick and i agree that hes very smart and makes good points sometimes. i personally just can't stand victim blaming, and unless he shows genuine remorse or change in his current actions, then i'm afraid i will never be able to get past that. i'm in the true crime space so i see how often victim blaming really affects cases, so with something as serious as emily's situation, it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. if im not mistaken he also had a lot to say about gabbi hanna/jessi smiles situation too so... & i do remember looking up nick's twitter during that time and feeling the ick. tommy c i don't even have to explain he's a pos through and through. but i do agree the way he handled that conversation with def was *chef's kiss* and at the very least i'm glad he didn't let himself get bamboozled by dennis' roundabout way of trying to get a gotcha moment lol.

@lastilnovista

Жыл бұрын

@@pinguufuuuu SA survivor and true crime fanatic here! i’m 1000% with you that victim-blaming is absolutely unacceptable, however . . . if my memory serves me right, Nick did soften his stance and walk it back in subsequent videos/livestreams. i’m also not sure that his remarks actually constitute “victim blaming” so much as . . . just . . . skepticism at first? like, he wanted a lot more concrete evidence, and pointed out where it was lacking. his attitude absolutely rubbed me the wrong way, because as a survivor, i’m generally Team #BelieveHer by default. but i wouldn’t characterise Nick’s position as contra-Emily, and i truly don’t recall him ever stating or implying that any of this was Emily’s *fault* or that she was to *blame* for anything. there’s a difference between having an aggressive, abrasive personality and actively antagonising others, and i don’t think he did that to Emily. now, i don’t know if Nick ever *apologised* directly to her (i don’t think he acknowledges that he did anything wrong?) but i’m pretty sure there are no bad feelings between them. an apology/acknowledgment is always nice, but at this point it’s between them and none of my business or concern. you totally jogged my memory about his remarks re: last year’s Gabbie Hanna drama, and you’re right, he did have some bad and/or insensitive takes regarding the Jessi Smiles situation . . . but even then, i have to admit that Points Were Made. like . . . i can’t stand GH, but Nick’s defence of her re: the Bianca Devins situation was really fair and accurate, and opened my eyes to how rabidly eager drama commentators are to twist narratives deceptively and demonise the creators they hate (e.g., Repzilla, Angelika Oles et. al. aggressively pushing the “Murder Article” narrative, which was absolute nonsense). ultimately, i’m not particularly invested in any of these people, and don’t take KZread drama too seriously at the end of the day. i feel like i’ve already wasted too much time going to bat for this guy lmaoooo it’s so weird being in this position. anyway, just wanted to share my two cents! have a great day! 🌷✨

This is an old meme but he's doing Schrodinger's d-bag or Schrodinger's satire in this case. He's gonna wait for a reaction before he declares it serious or satire. It's technically both and neither until we the audience open that box for him

@kaylabarr7432

Жыл бұрын

@@syrupthemcheeks335 I'm saying I believe that HE is waiting to decide whether to claim his words as jokes or not. Like if people agree with him, he says he's being serious. But if people disagree or criticize whatever he said, THEN he claims it was only a joke.

this video is truly so good

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Thank you mucker this means a lot 🥰🥰🤭

Keem does a little satire and it results in def suing him for defamation, def doesn't actually do satire but calls everything he does "jokes" so he's somehow given a pass to do and say whatever he wants. Keem filed that motion to dismiss a day or two ago, as much as I find keem distasteful a majority of the time I do think he will win the case at this point

@NotAdultingToday

Жыл бұрын

No way Defamation Noodles was going to win that case in the first place. Giant waste of time and money. I'm glad keem asked for a dismissal. Assuming the filing includes all the horrendous bullying conducted by noodlehead, should be easy for keem to win. Hope he takes dumbass's play button.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

From what I’ve seen I agree as well

@youtube.handle69

Жыл бұрын

@@MikasRhetoric the way Dennis speaks in weak riddles drives me crazy, every statement made by someone else is met with some sort of rephrasing of the question he was presented with. It's exhausting. As for blossom, it seems like she doesn't know how to exist independently, she has to be under a "bigger" creator

@kanna317

Жыл бұрын

I think it's very unlikely that Def would win as I don't think he's proven he's suffered enough damages, especially since as a public figure, he has a higher burden of proof. Keemstar also has already been in a defamation lawsuit, so knows how it goes, and has a ton of money to hire a good lawyer. I will give Def one thing, which is that I'm sure there were people on Twitter who did take the accusation seriously since it is Twitter where all common sense goes out the window, especially if people weren't aware that Keemstar was satirizing Def's terrible coverage of the James Charles scandal. Did it damage Def's career like he's claiming? I don't think so; I think Def has done that pretty well himself. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened.

@Jordan-nw4sj

Жыл бұрын

While I will not defend def noodles actions, Keem star absolutely was not being satirical when he accused def of grooming a 14 year old and claimed the victim might be ready to speak on the record. He only claimed it was satire after he was called out for presenting false allegations against def. I do think def has a decent chance at winning defamation, especially since keem admitted later he knew the statement was false when he made it, if def is being honest when he says he lost sponsorships because of the allegations. Satire doesn’t excuse you from defamation, which seems to be what keem and def both don’t understand.

Oh YEAH def defended the exact joke papa gut made TO papa gut in their "debate". Papa gut was denouncing the joke and def kept telling him to stick to his guns. But five month later that exact joke is decontextualized and weaponized by def. When he's arguing with deorio he is suddenly disgusted by the joke

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

It’s as if the prerogative that Def had changed

Also, for Blossom, people are allowed to express all you want and then shouldn't cry when others respond because someone called them a p. If you are allowed to express then others are allowed to do the same.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

This ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

Def noodles is terrible but I think the reason people really hate him (including myself lol) is how often he lies and backtracks. No one's really gonna hate you like this if you're at least authentic about it but Def seems very intent on being this fake self.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

The flip flop between Denis and the character Def Noodles is the biggest downfall for him

Honestly nowadays it's kind of hard to find commentary KZreadrs who don't end up falling into this trap of self inflated egos and lack of self reflection. Not surprised Def ended up becoming what he swore to defeat lol

I come back to this (very well made!) video a couple of times now and it made me think that here in Germany we actually have a moderator who is the ideal that Defnoodles strives to be: Oliver Welke moderates the sarcastic news of the Week in the “heute-show” (“The Daily Show” in English, which is also the original the show is based on). Welke is a satirical news moderator BUT at the same time he moderates in a serious fashion the soccer news, often on the same network. The reason this works is: because when he’s sarcastic, he’s sitting in the news studio and when he’s serious he’s out on the field. He never switches those places. Even though the studio looks like a serious news show, the website labels itself as sarcastic and humorous and it’s been like that from the beginning - so it’s clear that no actual, serious news are reported. Even though the content is not made to be taken seriously, it still follows the rules of journalism, so (ironically) people still take the criticism seriously. Accompanied is the show with multiple, professional comedians who themselves are well known and have established careers by themselves. (Welke himself has a magister degree in Journalism, Politics and German studies). So what Defnoodles is actually lagging, is consistency. (Because I believe even though the Internet is still not been taken seriously, it can be treated in a serious, journalistic way)

@cocofennel8451

Жыл бұрын

Also very sorry for the long rant and for any spelling/grammar errors!

My issue with this “debate” is that people continuously talk over each other and some even answer FOR def noodles. It’s so hard to follow and just so incredibly messy and I’m ultimately left in the same place I started in, if not I feel even more inclined to not like def noodles.

Ngl, as a viewer of all these types of channels for years, this just feels like that spiderman meme.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

This is a really good analogy

“Where was this energy when keem did it to me” SO HE LITERALLY ADMITS HE DID THE SAME THING AS KEEM

i feel like the word satire was killed off with leafy, that was the first place a lot of us, including me, heard that word for the first time and i used it wrong for a long time before being told like hey dude that’s not what this word means and i feel like that same thing happened to a lot of others so now there’s lots of people who think the word satire simply means “lightheartedly joking”, not saying that’s what leafy did but it’s what he was trying to say he was doing despite it being bullying, when satirizing something is so much different than that

@sklerpo

Жыл бұрын

sry i saw a lot of comments about satire and how it’s not the same anymore so i feel like it’s something that’ll eventually come up in the vid, im only 5 mins in

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

So much stuff comes back around to leafy

I knew this went south once you mentioned the politician entered the twitter space 😷 the internet is a insane place

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

That was one of the first things that happened too

i had no idea "fast as fuck boi" is from KEEMSTAR?

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

ME NEITHER UNTIL RECENTLY

my fav is the politician speaking while knowing nothing, absolutely on brand

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

That was a fever dream

@lulabell34

Жыл бұрын

The way he kept calling Keemstar "Kim" ☠️

@MissMarigold

Жыл бұрын

He was honestly a better comedian than Dennis will ever be. And it was even unintentional on his part too. That’s really saying something.

Def Noodles does this annoying thing where he cuts off the person talking to explain that someone texted or called him pick up his dogs. He did this same distraction tactic during the first Papa Gut debate.

for some reason until i saw the tweets i thought you meant nick diramio or whatever the guy who reviews bad movies name is when refering to deorio. i was genuinely so sad for a bit because i "didnt realize he was so shady" lmao im so stupid

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

We stan Nick Diramio here

@jinxedfates

Жыл бұрын

@@MikasRhetoric bless

@grachi0matilda

Жыл бұрын

Me too, I even got distracted remembering Nick Diramio's last name like "wait, this is not his last name... or is it?"

@stephanie6869

Жыл бұрын

hahaha same!

I was in and out that twitter space, and was so surprised to see it was still going like 5 hours after I last opened twitter that day. I used to like Def Noodles, but this guy needs to take a break and recalibrate, he really is getting lost in the sauce. You watched soo much content to make this video, thank you for your service

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment and I agree, in what world do you need a 6 hour Twitter space for any reason

@elinaw6175

Жыл бұрын

"Lost in the sauce" is the best description I've ever heard 🤣🤣🤣

I've consistently watched Def Noodles for a long, long time... in my timezone he tends to post when I wake up, so I have been consistently in the first few comments. I have probably overlooked and dismissed waaaaaaay too much with him, but I could waiver that stuff as not a big deal- also- I just like him and felt like he was going through something. But he has gone way way way way too far recently... I had to unsubscribe. He is hurting a lot of people and is being beyond unreasonable. It is a real shame.

@michaelcorcoran8768

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, he was an easy to digest quick summary of daily drama. And he seemed to dislike a lot of the same people I disliked. But it turns out, his critics were absolutely right about him.

@itsdoofen

Жыл бұрын

I unsubbed recently when he said that Johnny Depp's winning destroyed the Me Too movement, like whaaat?! I think he doesn't do the research and only rants the things that he has on his mind. And what was about that yelling thing at the very beginning, I'm glad that people pointed that out, so he had to speak normally😂

Finished! I started watching Def in 2020 and have heard rumblings of about half of these events, so thanks for curating it all together in a one hour video! Honestly, one hour is pretty short considering how insanely long your sources were. Condensed! I'm not on twitter so i had no idea about that whole playground of these issues, but god damn. And the "how old is he really?" issue hit me like a bus, of all the things I didn't expect him to be lying about THAT (allegedly)

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

It’s always so perplexing what people may or may not lie about online

@HASQ779

Жыл бұрын

@@MikasRhetoric he has confirmed that he is 37!

I'm also on the same level as Colbert because I made a joke in 3rd grade one time

He's in his mid to late 30s. There's a clip of him from 2009 where he says he just finished college and is moving to New York with his girlfriend/wife.

I swear to god, anytime I ask “wonder what Mika would say about this” you come out w a vid. Queen.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

I love that thank you so much 😳❤️

when nick called them the peanut gallery i had to laugh lol

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

The comments educated me that this term is not a good one to use because of it origin, but it’s funny to point out how ridiculous the supporters were

You're definitely funnier than Dennis. I've never found him funny but you're naturally very smart and witty so you crack me up. I love that you actually put a lot of thought into these videos. I really like that you properly describe who everyone is, that's so helpful.

I just think it’s so hilarious how everything comes full circle on the internet, and does the absolute best of showing what a small world we’re living in … I found Defnoodles initially for his reporting on Gabbie Hanna … and then the connection chain that follows goes from Gabbie Hanna to Helloleesh to An Honest Conversation to Xylie Gets Real to Defnoodles is wild (though it’s really less of a neat chain and more of a twisted tangled up ball of string) edit: wow could my spelling *be* any worse lamo

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

This is so true 😭😭

@nailinthefashion

Жыл бұрын

✨️Your mind is a wonderland✨️

Goodness glaciers, the intro was gold! Lmao take some time for yourself, girl, you deserve a good brain scrub after all that research!

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Thank you I had a really good laugh editing that intro

Xylie makes her points very clear, that's for sure, but I watch her because she has those tenets of allowing people to be heard out and credited as correct when they're correct. Watching her helped a lot in making me more critical and dimensional in my approach to the morals of people I really disagreed with the aesthetics of.

LOL Good video! Also about Blossom, I made one video on her "HelloLeesh cult" video and ended up in a 4 hour discord call with her. She's so irritating that EVERYONE in that call told her to shut up at least once.

go Adam holding his own, thanks for the video Mika good luck with the essay you're probably writing

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

This is the one time I’m not the paper is next week 😭😭

Def was supposedly satirising Keemstar with the cat in the Minecraft house character, right? It makes no sense to me. I think maybe he was just trying to satirise KZread as a whole but that’s so broad that it gets lost in translation. I think he thought Minecraft KZreadrs and cats were big on KZread so that’s how he was going to parody a commentary youtuber, who he was mostly just making similar content as? The things he was saying seemed pretty in line with what other drama-commentary KZreadrs were saying, and some people even used him as a source in many cases, so the content didn’t seem over the top to me or to otherwise indicate it was satire. I don’t think Def had a strong grasp of KZread tbh. The character he was portraying wasn’t even that odd by youtuber standards. I watch a youtuber who claims she cowrites her videos with a cow, who unfortunately is never available to appear in the videos. D’Angelo Wallace wore cat ears while doing some serious commentary. Izzzyzzz has pretty unusual makeup and a bunch of Garfield merch in the background despite it usually being completely irrelevant to her content. Leftist creator Shaun, who makes pretty serious content in a pretty serious tone for the most part, represents himself with a skull because he was “reclaiming the skull” from the alt-right, and viewers talk about him like he’s actually a talking skull because that’s just a silly fun thing to pretend. When I watched Dennis doing the “cat in the Minecraft house” thing, I genuinely didn’t realise he was doing a character. I figured he probably just liked Minecraft, a game I wasn’t familiar with but it didn’t seem relevant to his content so I just put it out of mind since the background didn’t really seem relevant. I figured he liked the cat earphones because they were popular at that time. He wasn’t doing any skits or anything to indicate to me as a viewer that he was supposed to be a character, and references to being a cat came up so infrequently I figured it was just a throw away joke about his earphones. He could’ve at least drawn some whiskers on, phandom-style, or gone more furry with the look, at least put on a cat onesie, maybe got some paw gloves or something. Perhaps some little skits at the beginning and end to communicate he was in character as a cat. Idk, I just was surprised when he announced he was moving away from the cat in the Minecraft house character. I had no clue what he was talking about lol. Then he started making more aggressive content that heavily focussed on Keemstar, a man who I don’t need daily updates on from a shouty man. Dennis also started swearing so much that I, an Aussie, thought it was incredibly over the top. He kept ranting angrily about the same things (mostly Keemstar) and getting mad at people who complained about the change. He kept insisting that this was his authentic self and he was no longer in character, which was ironic because he was coming across as the perfect parody of that genre of commentary channel (super repetitive content focusing on the same individual, unnecessarily loud and aggressive over petty stuff, can’t take criticism, insists he’s just being real, etc). However, I guess some time after I stopped watching he’s switched back to claiming it’s a character? So strange. I’ve no clue what is and isn’t meant to be authentic with him. I don’t think he understands satire very well. Stephen Colbert was clearly very familiar with the news he covered, the people he was satirising, and the satire genre. Def’s satire falls flat because he doesn’t know anything about anything. I think KZreadr News does a better job at what I think Def may have thought he was doing tbh. But I’m not sure what Def was trying to do so maybe not. KZreadr News reports on KZreadr news (I know, shocking) but they just give basic summaries like Dennis does, except they’ve also got running gags and clearly don’t take themselves too seriously. Eg, they used to have “Dan Howell watch” as a running gag where they’d just make up absurd stories about what Dan Howell was up to, and they have a toy rat who I guess is like a cohost canonically but it’s also part of some silly storylines (they supposedly ran against each other for the presidential election, then were competing together for Eurovision). They’d also do a question of the week where they’d ask a ridiculous question or ignore the answers from the previous week, which served to parody when KZreadrs do that more seriously. So there are some over-the-top bits, but it’s very clearly different to the regular news stories and usually presented as part of clearly differentiated segments. When they are reporting on something more serious (like SA accusations), they adopt a more serious tone that stands out clearly from the usual silliness. I think something like that is perhaps what Dennis tries and fails to achieve, but he’s so bad at presenting his satire I legit don’t know which elements of his content were supposed to be satire or what he was even supposed to be satirising.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

I literally never knew about this minecraft cat thing literally until I made this video and I still don’t really get it. There are so many aspects of Def Noodles that are inconsistent and fall flat. You did a really good analysis of this content

that Keem star mining diamond with a stone pick is sending

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

I laughed so hard the first time I saw it

Def Noodles needs to understand he is not the comedy arbiter of KZread. According to Webster a comedian is anyone who tries to amuse people as their job. That would definitely include Keemstar and many others. Webster's -- Comedian : a comical individual specifically : a professional entertainer who uses any of various physical or verbal means to be amusing

thanks for this video and for sacrificing your time and sanity to put all of this together bcs I was completely lost and not ready to dive deep into it myself. So Thank you for your hard work ⭐💗

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much and I’m happy that others don’t have to do through the search I went through

@mmmanal_

Жыл бұрын

@@MikasRhetoric Thank you for your service 🌸

You ever watch a small channel and you can just tell they’re gonna be huge eventually? Awesome video

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

This means a lot thank you 🥰🥰

also like you said, the teaming up of all these extremely different people from different, usually disagreeing niches of the internet, really should have given him pause. Is he out of touch? no. it's the whole rest of the internet who is wrong.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

It’s like what Nick says, it’s everyone else’s fault except for Def’s

Great video! Oh and yeah... I get passionate and I'm naturally loud lol. So yeah some ppl can take me wrong lol New Subscriber now!!!

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

As a fellow loud person I respect it

this is by far the best summarization of this whole thing that ive seen, every other video just left me with more questions than i started with. it especially confused me because the only person i know here is keemstar, so thank you for your constant streamline of great work!

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

The fact you could sit through all the hours... The Twitter Space made me want to eat drywall, wow.

I thought of jimmy snow when all this started going down, I’m happy you saw the parallels too!

@viviennelee2215

Жыл бұрын

What’s up with him? I stopped watching a long time ago

@chiveshorses9459

Жыл бұрын

@@viviennelee2215 a lot but the basics I remember is begging and guilt tripping his audience to watch his new show when they followed him for his old content, and siding with gabby Hannah out of NOWHERE when she was attacking Rachel Oates. No one knew he knew GH before that. And his apology videos on the situations were garbage and manipulation. Last I checked, he was becoming like the men he hates but I haven’t looked in a while. Anyone who knows more feel free to add

The clips from that girl blossom literally gave me a surge of anxiety, the way she’s asking him a question and won’t let him answer the question was ultimate pick me cringe material. Reminds me of why I take my meds everyday to avoid that manic bipolar won’t-shut-up state.

[EDIT: just adding that the rest of my comment was made before his tweets and video. For those who don't know he's now confessed to being 37. There's also evidence of him telling at least one journalist he was in his 20s, so it's not just that he never confirmed anything - he has lied. Tho he claims it was because his agent told him to say he was 10 years younger to get acting roles. Again, the whole thing is just kinda silly drama to me and he's done way worse things imo, but I wanted to add an update] Not gonna lie I went on a bit of a deep dive with the "what's his actual age?" thing and I can't find anything that points to him actually being 27 right now. All his past work and interviews makes it very clear he's older than that, unless his entire internet presence prior to Def Noodles was one big lie - which doesn't seem very likely to me based on the type of work he's done in the past. The interesting thing is though, I've not been able to find anywhere where **he** explicitly mentions his own age (if anyone can I'd love to see it), which is kinda strange. BUT, he also loves to reference the Vulture interview and in there they say he's 27 (25 at the time) + he's replied to videos that say he's in his 20s and he's never corrected that info. Even Keem's motion to dismiss says he's 27, so it has to originate somewhere. Like, that age didn't just appear out of nowhere online, you know? Idk, the whole age thing is kinda silly and at the end of the day doesn't really change how I feel about his actions or anything, but I'm also very nosey so I wanted to see what I could find agashjskd

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

I agree because it’s always so interesting to figure out why someone would lie about that

@ullix

Жыл бұрын

@@MikasRhetoric yeah exactly, and I've seen a lot of people say he might've just wanted to come across as younger to appeal to that audience with the Def Noodles character, but just based on the old stuff that I've found I feel like he's been vague about it throughout his entire online presence. So it seems to me like it goes a bit deeper than just this specific character of his.

@oksoheresthething

Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard famous birthdays confirm before reporting age?

“If I try to become a professional juggler and can never actually juggle, that means I’m not a juggler” basically lines up with if you have to keep insisting it’s comedy, and comedy is subjective, and the joke might just not be for quite literally everyone who keeps pointing out that it isn’t funny, then you’re not a comedian.

Great video! This whole situation has a TON of backstory that even just covering the Twitter spaces is a headache lol

Good work, glad to see more people are following along with his pattern.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

You were referenced in Nick’s second channel video right, or am I mistaken? Also thank you for the comment :)

I found you from a comment thread on one of defs posts I was having with a dude about how I wasn’t a fan of him anymore but also didn’t like how hard everyone was going on him, I think you have put this together so damn well!! I will be watching your other two videos and probably more I’m sure! I’m so glad they mentioned your channel!

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and I am happy I was able to deliver this in a comprehensive way

@d.h.4778

Жыл бұрын

@@MikasRhetoric and as compassionately as you could have. In an easy to digest way. You have a new sub. I’m listening to your second one and my comments go missing all the time too! Lol. I hope you have a wonderful night!

Real solid video, and thanks for the lore explanation because wow I had no idea with all that. Hope y'all have good days 🍀🍀🍀

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for coming to the chat it was fun seeing you there!!

@xryxix

Жыл бұрын

For sure ^^ fun being around! Thanks for creating 🍀🍀

yay i finally had time to watch this!!! i’m actually curious about a helloleesh video because it’s a name I’ve heard around the youtube space but have never really had a grasp on them and their channel-great video as always ✨

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching yet another one of my rants

@taylor-flynnspencer2438

Жыл бұрын

@@MikasRhetoric they're awesome everytime - we love to support the french canadian girlies

Great commentary as usual! I also thought the moderation attempt was funny, because, like, what exactly was he expected to moderate? Don't you need rules, structure and a topic that was agreed on ahead of time? Otherwise what is the moderator even doing?

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Moderating isn’t something that can easily be done off the cuff for sure

Ooh I'm excited to hear your take on all of this craziness

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

It was a lot

@rainbownerladybounce

Жыл бұрын

@@MikasRhetoric I fcking bet! You're a trooper for wading thru it all 👑

Mika, I LOVE your opening to this - the description of what's going on in your head (and the editing). Also, I'm sorry that these things are stuck in your head - your work is VERY appreciated!! 🤍

I appreciate hpw thorough this is. I actually like longer videos because I can watch them while I'm cleaning or working or resting. And I don't have to worry about scrolling or deciding what else to watch.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

remember us when ur famous 🥰 i hope you get all the subscribers omg, love ur vids and they just get better :)

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 🥹💛

I had no idea that's where that sound bite came from

def is almost 40 so when he cried he was over 30 and when he debated augir augie was 19 and def was mid 30s LOL ITS SO MUCH WORSE he has been calling keem old keem is like 2 years older then him LOOLOLOL

This situation is a MESS, props to you for sorting through it all!

I always wanted to know more about him but this is one of the first videos that has been concise and informative. I’m really enjoying your content!

I have no idea why, but this is reminding me of the JoysparkleBS drama in some ways of reactionary people and endless loops. Great video!

27:33 the Colbert Report was on Comedy Central in the states as well! I remember it! Small little detail but here's your confirmation of it anyway. Halfway through the vid now!

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Cool! And thanks for watching

this is one of the best commentary videos i’ve ever seen

Condolences for having to sit through all of those Xylie live streams.

okay i finished! once again thank you so much for your dedication!!! because i am soooo nosey and wanted to know what this whole thing was about even though i don't really watch either def noodles or papa gut! i just got into the space because there was so many people in the spaces....i wholeheartedly agree that even if you don't necessarily LIKE someone you have to be prepared to admit when they're right. and lastly............i love being nosey and i thank you for filling me in

Dang, it’s crazy his lowest viewed videos ever are his more recent videos. Caused his own demise so quickly

Yeah keem is actually funny but I laugh at him not with him.

When you mentioned Blossom I choked on my water

I'm really enjoying your content a lot lately!!! you've been putting in a lotta work and it shows. keep it up!

Okay, so I watched this all (I made my first comment after having to pause from breaking my brain from laughter). -You made a great point at the fire hydrant stuff. Like that's just ripping stuff out of his ass. He knew what he was doing. -Commentary guys tend to come off as extremely dismissive and condescending to channels they think are drama channels because they ultimately don't want to "lower themselves" to actually listening to the type of people they wouldn't normally associate with. It's kinda like the "commentary" guys are the boys that tell girls "ew I don't wanna play with your toys!!" It's ultimately a fear of COOTIES. - maybe I just get legit triggered by Def because he talks like the condescending old men in my life that automatically treat me like I'm a stupid child. I think it's because he has the same tactic as them of "IM TALKING LOUDER THAN YOU SO THEREFORE IM RIGHT. IM MAKING YOU UPSET?? YOURE WEAK. IM BIG BRAIN." -I personally live by the motto of let your shit speaks for itself or shut the hell up 😌💅 so if Def was a real comedian, I feel like he'd know that.

@perryrhinitis

Жыл бұрын

As a drama/tea channel girlie I don't watch commentary bros because of their condescension and occasional flirting with the alt-right (why are so many of them like this). The commentary channels I watch are usually disembodied voices with a cartoon avatar or women

Not def trying to say ANYTHING is objectively funny. Even some people don’t find farts funny. NOTHING comedy is objective. Comedy is PURE subjectivity. Since dennis is such an established comedian you’d think he’d know 💀

manifesting nice and cozy free time for mika after this 🙏

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

I need that so bad after this 😭😭

This was an amazing summary of the situation, you lay everything out so perfectly, glad I found your channel :) also praying for all the brain rot you got from this research 😭

Oh my god... I used to watch Blossom in the earlier days of her channel and fell off her content around the time of The Discord Happenings ☠☠ dude that must have been so stressful to deal with. Im genuinely so shocked by how she devolved, I liked her initially because she was a mh professional (supposedly) but as she made more content she spiraled totally. Wild... Anyways I hope school is going well, good luck with your modules and thanks for the video!!

@perryrhinitis

Жыл бұрын

Same. I just unfollowed her after not watching her for a couple months, coincidentally around the time she was talking about the Discord

I missed all of this- thank you for your service.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

I took one for the team on this one

Thank you for all the work you put into your videos 🙌🏼🙌🏼

i heard so much about “def situation” but i have no clue what’s up so i’m ready to hear it

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

It’s a rollercoaster

Yeah Dennis embarrassed himself really bad lmao. He needs to stay out arguments and debates.

@MikasRhetoric

Жыл бұрын

Especially when he clearly didn’t prepare before that

this simultaneously cements my feelings about micro-online communities. the biggest reason i decided making videos on yt wasn’t worth it haha

54:07 i don't know anything about this situation or these people, but i can't stop repeating this "no, you" bit 👏🏼👏🏼

Tried to edit and deleted my comment. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I’ve been watching Defs follower account the last week. It’s gone from 588K to 582K in that time. It’s sad that he won’t even do a fake “KZread” style apology. It’s his own audience that’s upset with him.

mika going off!!! def goes so back and fourth between 'i'm just internet thing!' and 'this is journalism!' whenever it benefits him. he's click bait with an ego. acting like he admits he's wrong but never...actually does. dear god i never knew he compared himself to colbert...that's painful. knowing your free time was put to this...i am so sorry...ki has had to listen to me yell about dennis so many times...gotta have some uncensored bitching whenever we cross paths next lol (ki was SO SAD she wasnt in conversation mode last time). being in my 30s and keemstar being a thing SINCE I WAS A TEEN is so painful. can not stand the guy...horrible dude. he may not be serious but he...has done a lot of damage and doesn't give a shit. he's an easy dude to try and band people around hating at least helloleesh's gabbie videos mostly came from being on the receiving end of her fandom for a good while iirc. can the idea she's allowed to talk about gabbie because of that experience lead to one too many videos? sure! but for the most part i can at least understand adding to the conversation about her fanbase and how they treat people she talks about.

I’ve been stalked by a crazy defnoodles stan from last year and she actually locked her Twitter account this might sound harsh but karma she harassed me probably from last year now she’s getting harassed 👀🤷🏻‍♀️