What basis y’all think he is? Discord server: discord.gg/z9cjNBMUKR

@iDrawComicsSometimes

5 ай бұрын

I think he’s a experimental built for The Cronk and Peel Godred Railway alongside Henry in 1910 named Max Reginald Franklin or “Red Max”

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

He could be anything really. Either the 9J/J11 or 3F looks most likely to me. Fun fact, the 9J/J11 was what the Unlucky Tug used to make his model of James.

@SalmanMentos

5 ай бұрын

I think realistically FR D5 is i think the most accurate since the furness railway is one of the closest to the NWR which means its easier & cheaper to rent

@E2ForLife

5 ай бұрын

In my au He’s either an LNER J17 or FR D5 Or LNER J11

@lilpandangu7260

4 ай бұрын

They might be brothers, here’s the story: Class 28’s we’re derailing at high speeds so the builder decided to rebuilt them to have a pony truck at the front. This experiment failed and three after the first one was built, he was sent to the Furness railway. The other two stayed at Lancashire and Yorkshire. After the NWR opened, the director bought the one who was sent to the Furness railway. After a few years, the director bought James to replace to other trains who have been loaned by him. Now, they met each other until this day.

I love the fact that one KZreadr Trampy has added both James and Thomas so that people wouldn’t complain on who’ll be the one to push Henry out in Rain.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

LMAO

I personally like to believe that he’s a GCR 9J class (later LNER J11), but without a front pony truck (I like the 0-6-0 look), and with a fowler tender.

Honestly, with a lot of these background engines as long as it even vaguely resembles how they look in the book it’s passable. He doesn’t have a confirmed basis, we don’t even know the engines name, so you can really do pretty much whatever you want with him. Preferably the basis should have the design elements we see in the illustration, but honestly, I feel like as long as the inspiration is a tender engine that was during the 1920s, you can get away with pretty much anything. As long as you can still tell who the model is supposed to be, you can pretty much use whatever basis you want for your AU.

@Combes_

5 ай бұрын

For example, in mine they're an ex-W&S 0-8-0

For starters, I’ve thought about utilizing both common fan names where this engine’s named Winston but nicknamed Eagle, like Duck actually being named Montague. I’ve thought this engine could be a prototype for the Furness Railway D5s (considering the lighter red livery) built in 1912 where they experimented on giving him a front bogie due to seeing what the L&YR did with James making him a 2-6-0. He was one of many loaned engines from Furness and Midland Railway sent to Sodor in 1915 where he helped with goods on the mainline. That year there was an air raid on Sodor with a plane flying over him shooting a bomb towards him while he was light engine and he was running away but his tender broke away due to the coupling being lose where it got bombed though he survived and no one else died (though Alfred on the Mid Sodor was bombed by a plane). The Midland Railway offered to give him one of their Fowler tenders which he kept and he along with other Furness and Midland engines stayed on until 1923 when Gordon and the other big engines showed up. I like the idea he could be still alive to this day where; a) He could be preserved on The Mainland and has revisited Sodor b) He could be part of the North Western Railway likely working on the Norramby Branchline c) While being part of Sodor could be in a railway museum somewhere around I’m not entirely sure how his personality could be but I’ve thought he could be kind and laid back still no nonsense and stern (less like Edward and more like Rheneas) though not much of an older type.

I have the red engine headcannoned as a Midland Railway 1000 class 4-4-0. Its about the right size, matches some of the features of the first red engine (seen in the shed in the Dalby illustration) and is one of the few engines or this time period that makes sense to be painted red. He would have been one of the Midland Railway engines that was loaned to the NWR early in its life.

Railyard pro actually made a video explaining this in his "The class 28 experiment(RWS lore)".

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

That’s not even canon to the lore Awdry set up, consider his RWS videos are extremely different from the actual RWS, makes it clear it’s not canon to the railway series books Awdry made. If anything that video is his head canon and AU and not the actual RWS lore from Awdry

@S.M.A..

3 ай бұрын

"I wasn't saying it was cannon". I was saying he had the same idea you did at of them them not being the same/siblings.

@ScorchZane

12 күн бұрын

oh my bad my apologies (I’m just used to people using fan content to justify any offical lore gaps even tho only the Awdrys should speak for the RWS)

To be honest, as a kid I just always thought that the red engine in the story was just James. I just never noticed that they were slightly different. He could be any 0-6-0 goods engine turned into a 2-6-0. There were a lot of Moguls in the UK so the possibilities are pretty vast.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

I agree

I like to think the second red engine is my oc called Ricky who is a red Dean goods who would of arived before the events of the story

Well, in my head canon, I have a TON of red engines. So many I think it's unholy and unrealistic for the time line, but hey, it's my canon. But the red engine who tries to push Henry out is a Furness railway d5 named Eagle (yeah I know the name ain't original...) And Johnson from Demonofnowhere's channel. You wouldn't believe how popular Johnson has become in the fandom... And yes, I had TWO red engines try to push Henry out, because I just couldn't decide which one to choose so I just said, screw it! They'll both push!

I like to think that the second red engine is a Dean Goods Engine as it still looks a ,ot like the Dalby illustration or it’s a experimental one-off design that just so happened to look like the Class 28 (plus I feel with some of the background characters in the earlier books were probably one-offs too)

Something to remember, is that James was an actually owned engine, hence the modifications that the railway ordered. This engine, and other side engines, were loaned engines from other companies, and if they are anything like the IRL companies, they didn't buy one offs, only mass produced designs. This means the second red engine has to be a Mogul. Also, because they are loaned, their paint scheme has to be similar to one from an IRL company, like for example, the LMS.

In my head-canon, The Red Engine, whose name is Diana Eagle, is a D5 class, with an experimental pony truck modification. She was loaned to the NWR during the engine crisis, and west back to the Mainland in 1928, where she then became a spare engine at barrow, until the barrow blitz, where she was forgotten about in a shed and presumed dead. Many years later, in 2015, when renovations were going on around her shed, she was found in a horrible state shed was about to be demolished. The NWR made the decision to restore her and she now works on the mainline.

3:28 I like to think that the red engine is a Midland Railway Johnson 3F, because it could be one of the loaned Midland engines who helped build the North Western Railway

@deathmisser85

5 ай бұрын

This could work if we take that 4-4-0 loco in that one image that looks like to be a Midland 780 class.

In my headcanon, this red engine was initially a Class 27 engine but was rebuilt into a class 28 with a 2-6-0 wheel configuration at some point after The Great Crovan's Gate Fire of 1917.

@Canadiansteamer43

23 күн бұрын

The fire was in 1930

I always grew up thinking that was james

2:42 anyone ever noticed in this picture that thomas has an express lampcode?

I like how this doesn't spread misinformation. Good on you! The Red Engine was an illustration error and not cannon. Awdry never mentioned "it" in any medium, not TV, not books, nowhere. Despite this, the fandom has proven they can make anything work. Such a nothing, bland background engine being turned into a fan favourite. In a way, I'm glad Awdry never had a book about the red engine, it lets the fandom's creativity run wild. Of course, that wasn't Awdry's intention but its still pretty nice! 😂

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Honestly I agree

I like to believe Eagle/Winston (real name Winston but he prefers to go by Eagle) is actually a Furness Railway D5 (judging by the red livery) that also became a mogul experiment like James did.

@ScorchZane

3 ай бұрын

Name part is up for debate since Awdry didn’t say much thi I agree he could from the Furness

Lemme just add smth. Awdry said the engine who pushed him out of the tunnel was supposed to be James but with James being introduced in the next book, Awdry decided it was a new character altogether. With that said the way I see it, Eagle was just a reskin of James who rlly didn't matter. But since an engine who was originally suppose to look like Edward was in the original sketch, I think if we combined the sketch with Dalby's illustration, we'd get an 2-6-0 from the FR. Either way I have a head canon if he was a L&YR class or a FR D5 class.

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

Honeslty James did push henry in the adventure Begins

I enjoyed this video and i share your opinions just because the second engine looks like James doesn't mean he/she is a Class 27/28, and before this i actually looked into Mogels and 0-6-0s and in my personal headcanon They are GCR 9J/LNER J11 Heck i have seen people who just dropped the Mogel and go for a 4-6-0, 22tesla did a spooky episode of an engine named Afton a LNWR claughton class and it was to show what james could have become

@Mr.C_the_Artist

5 ай бұрын

Though I wouldn't mind a story where a class 28 came to sodor maybe on loan or visiting and you can make whatever stories you want if it

In my AU the second red engine is a FR D5 without a front bogey (Winston) because i noticed that in the Fandom people randomly think that he is a lyr class 28 that worked with Edward at the furness In my AU that the red engine is from the furness and the idea of the second red engine working with edward at his early years makes more sense

KZreadr: now after hearing this Alfred: wtf are you talking about

I believe that the second red engine is one of the Midland Engines brought to help build the NWR in the late 1910’s, specifically a Midland Johnson 3F. I also like to think that he twins the names given to him by the fan community, that being Winston, with the famous nickname of Eagle. After build the NWR, he was constantly loaned to the NWR during the Midland Railway’s days and into the days of the big four. He was often brought over to help out when Henry broke down, but was officially brought on to the railway in the 1950’s, maybe following the modernization plan.

Since did say Not to take the illustrations Literally Because they are inaccurate I'm thinking That it's just James Is that try to push Henry out

Honestly though, the most fitting class that this engine could have is the LBSCR K Class 2-6-0 or the GSWR Class 403 which looks like James(kinda) Or if you wanna keep the mogulification of an 0-6-0, he can be a Midland Railway 3F

my alled greedy is a GCR 8B Atlantic, based on his first illustration in the shed in edwards day out

3:51 I don't think the Dean Goods would work due to one detail (other than accidently labelling as an "ROD" engine when that was temporary) and that is atop the firebox, you can see a rather familiar-looking bonnet, and there's one railway we can all think of that fits bonnets over the safety valves of their locomotives. Also doesn't help they were built by Swindon. The other three would be fitted with either Ramsbottom or Ross safety valves, which gives somewhat a more modern appearance.

I thought he was and FR D5 but i think he is a Deans Goods that the fat controller got and was sent to crew to get the extended running board

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

up to you man

The D5 or 3F would be my personal pick since iirc the NWR had engines loaned from the Midland Railway and the FR, which is how Edward ended up on Sodor. The 3F would be a great choice considering it actually looks similar to the Dalby illustration, which is neat awesome video as always zane. regards, a person who has never commented on your videos :)

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

glad how liked the video, I might make more that isn’t just me ranting or debunking since I think it’s taking too much in me.

Tbh how would you react if they where twins in the tvs universe as well the tab

The red engine that try to push Henry out of the tunnel, but we called that engine the red engine because the engine doesn’t have a name

@ScorchZane

4 күн бұрын

some just refer to him as Winston or Eagle (which is fine for not gonna lie, I honestly don’t mind)

I feel like the red engine being a d5 would make alotta sense because they would've been painted in furness railway red if they were a d5

I like these headcannon, but i honestly prefer him as james brother, i still like them im just use to him as james brother, people do have opinions afterall

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

well yeah people have opinions, as do I. After all I don’t have a problem with headcanons, as they are just that; headcanons.

I personally like the D5 for this engine.

The Two James's theory be like:

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Two Henry’s Theory: “Finally a worthy opponent, this battle will be legendary.”

Middletons illustrations, look more like engine classes (Edward looked like a K2, badly drawn of course). But then also Awdry, drew Edward, with I’m presuming his number on the side of his cab and the NWR on his tender. It is funny how no form of official published stuff had the lettering on the tenders, it looks better.

@ScorchZane

Ай бұрын

I think that’s only available on a book behind Awdry and his creations

This meant have ruin my childhood of thinking the 2nd red engine is related to James

3:24 correction: the J11 was built between 1901 and 1910

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Thanks

In my au the second red engine (aka 4:34 ) would be named nelson after he was bought and repainted becoming the second blue engine.

Edward was supposed to be the engine to push Henry out

ah yes, for me he looks like a G&SWR 403, from the boiler it looks like it. simply he was built addon member to his class and sent to sodor for goods work, he is painted in NWR red with black lining and yellow boiler bands. even if james came along after a while, this engine does not boast around about his paint, james does after getting repainted. (i just came up with this now, but i think he's a 403 class anyways)

I’d say a Furness Railway D5 would be the most logical choice.

What if we got a dinoco is all mine Alfred version

Edward pushing Henry out of the tunnel makes more sense from a writing perspective than some random one off. However regardless of basis, the red engine probably isn't that important overall. Being either long gone or silently doing his job. He probably would've had a story or some notes if he was interesting.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

true after all he wasn’t meant to exist but exists anyway

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

Of course, it depends on the person's opinions since it's never been outright confirmed. But I actually agree with you! When someone give characters that they clearly intended to be completely insignificant a purpose...then yeah, it raises some questions and I do think the misconceptions do kinda stem from the illustrations not translating well from what might've been intended.

@firstnamlastnam2141

5 ай бұрын

@@megariderfire1994 I'd really like to see more of Awdry's original sketches, if he even continued to make them after a certain point, rather than just saying what he wanted drawn.

What if the second red engine appear in the adventure begins

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Honestly I don’t think much would’ve happened with him, probably a few scenes in the background and replacing James’ spot when he’s pushing Henry out

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane perhaps giving him character development

I HC that the red engine is an RoD deans goods and he named himself Winston after Winston Churchill and he was purchased in 1918 after fighting in France during the first world war where he was repainted red to help him recover from his trauma and was rebuilt with a front pony truck after his buffer beam was damaged on the front line

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Interesting I’ll give you that

probably edward, i dont know why they would put the same model of edward in the book, it would just make sence to have ti edward instead of a whole new engine, so most likley was edward

How would you react if he was refered by his fan name eagle in the adventure begins as his fan name feels like something in the tvs

Finally, someone gets that Eagle and him are not the same character the red engine and him are two different characters in the fandom

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Well he and the red engine don’t need to be related in every universe, since didn’t speak too much of the background characters, and he did say not to take any illustrations seriously

@Silverlink28

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane i’m just saying him and Eagle are different characters

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@Silverlink28 and I agree

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

​@@ScorchZane i think eagle is just like a fanmade tvs name for this character

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 Then again so is Winston

I interpreted the red engine as a LBSCR K Class and a female that way it would be easier to tell James apart

I think he is related to james in Some away or in another

I like then Someone is making a Video about How the Red engine isn't Winston, Eagle, Johnson, Or doesn't Need to be Related to James, He/She/them mite Just be A freelance design or A Real Engine Class, maybe he mite be the preserved CIE Class' Scrapped twin, Anieway i like the topic of this vídeo and your Videos as a Holl, Continue the Good Work

Yeah, good point as always. You're right that the second red engine doesn't NECESSARILY need to be related to James. I also found it interesting how CANONICALLY, that would've contradicted Awdry's lore of James being the first of the Class 28s to have the front pony truck modification to make him a mogul, I never thought about that until now. I think the misunderstandings about the red engine kinda stem from the inconsistencies of the writers in the first few books back then, and since Dalby was the first one to draw the second red engine to be a mogul like James, I think Dalby kinda contributed (of course, not like he nor Awdry could've predicted this) to the fanbase (myself included) into the idea of the unnamed second red engine being related to James...and it's also because of him that I ended up thinking of the idea of possibly there being TWO red engines instead of ONE red engine prior to James' arrival due to the wheel arrangements. (In hindsight theoretically, it might contradict the idea that Edward only lived in the shed with FIVE other engines...and only one of them in the shed was red, not two. Although then again, in LATER CANON, Thomas is established to have already existed as the station pilot so the possibility of TWO red engines before James theoretically possible...and it's also possible there was another shed separate from the main engines specifically for the station pilots like Thomas, but who knows?) And you're right about the unknown red engine possibly any steam engine bases that's either an already existing mogul of that time period or already existing 0-6-0 classes that were modified into moguls, that's fun to think about actually. As for where I stand...yeah, I completely agree with your points. For my personal headcanon, I actually go with the idea there were two red engines prior to James' arrival instead of one (partially inspired by the misconception that stemmed from Dalby's illustrations) and that one of those red engines, the one that tried to push Henry out of the tunnel in the books) is the same class as James (that would contradict the lore Awdry later established about James but since this is my personal headcanon, this might as well be an AU) because I actually kinda like the idea of James having a sibling that worked on the NWR prior to him. The second red engine I personally imagine would be a pacific (like in Middleton's illustrations), in my headcanon an LNER Raven Class A2 and female. (You also indeed got a point that the unknown red engine(s, pluralized depending how the fan personally interprets for their headcanons) didn't exactly have any specified confirmed genders either) But yeah, that's my headcanon. In terms of my theory for the OG illustrations on the other hand...about the engine that was supposed push Henry (who was an Atlantic engine in the OG illustrations) out of the tunnel. I personally would like to imagine the engine might've been Edward and not the unknown red engine. (of course, the OG illustrations were mostly uncolored but I digress) This could help emphasize the fact unknown red engine and both 98462 and 87546 are supposed to be completely and utterly insignificant background entities (because they really are not meant to be characters in the first place) to the story that is the Three Railway Engines, where Edward, Henry, and Gordon are supposed to be the main focus. Since when you give characters that are supposed to be completely irrelevant to the story and fade into the background something to do, like what happened with that unknown unnamed red engine because of the illustrations, it might question some people. I mean...yeah, in the Sad Story of Henry, the writing clearly does not name the engine, but I don't see that as a problem. Heck, they even bother classifying their wheel arrangement and color in the narration either. So therefore, whether the intended illustration was supposed to be Edward or Gordon or even some other unknown character you don't know attempting to push Henry out...I don't think it would really matter too badly, since it technically doesn't quite contradict what is said and described happening in the story. Other than establishing the red engine doesn't necessarily have to be James, you can also make an argument that the engine that was SUPPOSED to have pushed Henry out of the tunnel in the OG illustrations doesn't necessarily have to be that red engine. I just think Edward personally makes more sense as the engine that tried to push Henry out of the tunnel in the OG illustrations, since the wheel arrangements match, he's an established named character that's important to the overall book, and I think it suits his character more than say Gordon, who had yet to have grown as a character...plus I'd like to imagine after Edward was let out of the sheds and proved himself for helping Gordon up the hill, the Fat Director decided to give Edward the opportunity to push Henry out of the tunnel even if that did end in failure. It just makes more sense to me, especially from a story standpoint, but that's just my theory.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

glad to hear your thoughts

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

You're welcome

If the line art version is an 4-4-0 and it is to be Edward, then does that mean TV series Edward appearance becomes an Easter egg?

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

🤷🏾‍♂️

@englishtwister

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane well it interested and amused me. But your idea for a 0-6-0 wheel formation for this tender locomotive works for me as there was not one who had that wheel arrangement until Donald and Douglas arrived. And I said tender engine before people mention Thomas and then Duck .

I certainly like the idea of this engine being a different class from James. Plus it would make James less special if the L&YR had another experimental Class 28. There’s also a rumour in the fandom that this engine is named Eagle or Winston, similar to how people think 98462 and 87546’s names are Alfred and Crovan respectively.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

tbh I not even gonna debunk those names, since it just be the 98462 vid but with the red engines. (However I am gonna debunk the 1st red engines name being Alled Greedy, since no way in hell Awdry even bother to give any of the background characters, a more obscure one at least an name).

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane plus most engines doesn’t even have names anyway, especially the average medium sized tender engine that this one is.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@joshuaW5621 I agree, tho people shouldn’t take fan names as fact, since they were meant to reflect an individual’s AU, head canon or conclusion. Not like a wide factual conclusion, just an interpretation conclusion.

In my canon, The red engine exits, but he isn’t related to James. The red engine is a class 27 while James is a Caledonian Class 34. And the red engine arrived much earlier with Edward (Which in my canon is 1915)

Here is my reason why i think he was painted back to his original furness railway red livery after years being rebuilt into a class 28 I think becasue the fat director didn’t like how the first red engine was acting childish so he orded this engin🎉

In my opinion, i say the second red engine is James because James is the only one to have the boggy truck. And that could be a early design even though he was never supposed to be a main character but thats my opinion

In my opinion this second red engine is L&YR class 28

Ok im about to say it since no one else gets it, THE ENGINE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO PUSH HENRY OUT WAS INDEED EDWARD BUT IN HIS FURNESS RAILWAY LIVERY!!!!!!!!!

@jordaneriksson5417

5 ай бұрын

YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE NWR 2 ON HIM

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Damn bro has enough energy to scream like that characters like Blakc Canarya and Sindel have found a worthy foe. (This is a joke btw)

@jordaneriksson5417

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane I Know XD (and when you said that that made me laugh in real life)

@jordandorsett3106

3 ай бұрын

0:54 Right Here

In my Canon this red engine is named eagle and him and James are brothers however they both actually started out as class 28 and were both rebuilt into 29 moguls Eagle was actually one of the first 28 to be built while James was one of the last they were both rebuilt in 1920 the only reason I made them brothers was because in my Canon I'm trying to have every member of the main cast which is like 10 to 15 engines have at least some surviving relatives not necessarily siblings but it can be like cousins for example James and Eagle are the cousins of Alled greedy

How would you react that the j11 Johnson 3f d5 the rod deans goods and the class 28s are the same in the tvs universe or shared the same design in the tvs due to cartooinsh look

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

I mean aren’t they in the same universe

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane which universe

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 the TVS

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane so are these classes the same in the tvs universe

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 technically yes, they would as they are in real life

This train is actually eagle

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

riddle me this, where did Awdry say his name?

@johnathonmcjohn3

Ай бұрын

my brother in christ he has no canon name

Well in my HC the red engine prob hás a name his called eagle and his actually james's sibling and his a crismon triang 3f like james yes in my au they are triang 3fs

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Up you bro

The j11 were built in 1901 - 1910

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Oh whoops .-.

Does james take along metalic model looks a resemble to him

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

yes except the number 5 is all to make it not fully resemble said engine.

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane what about his wooden metalic model

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 same story

I think he’s just James and they just screwed up the timeline

@Snowconeaj

4 ай бұрын

The fudge

@TheSudrianTerrier653

3 ай бұрын

James didn’t even exist until 1946 when the 2nd book was written

@Snowconeaj

3 ай бұрын

@@TheSudrianTerrier653 exactly

@johnathonmcjohn3

3 ай бұрын

​@@TheSudrianTerrier653exactly they screwed up the timeline

Would he and james still be related if james was potrayed as a d5 in some universes

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

tbh he doesn’t have to be related to him, I said in the video before, because he looks identical doesn’t mean he’s automatically James’ sibling.

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane what if james was potrayed as d5 in some universes

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 not much would’ve changed tbh, regardless of his basis not much with story would’ve changed

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane hace some people potrayed both james and this red engine as both d5s

He isn't wrong but then his built actually looks like james as his stripes lining does relate to james except his boiler, people see him as James's older brother since he arrived on sodor before james which you don't believe the adventure begins take on Henry's tunnel and Thomas' lbsc design since lbsc e2 tank engines are actually painted Brown in their livery and Thomas was labeled 108 in his basis in real life, and in the cgi Henry's tunnel, james was pulling himbour with his lancashire and yorkshire livery when it was claimed a red engine, so yes this engine can be named by your opinion and can be your idea of his personality. When james arrived on sodor his ponytruck wasn't there when he was built but in the cgi version he does have his pony truck, after his accident by what I can confirm, james never had his pony truck when he was built and then when he crashed by his wooden break blocks he was sent to the works to be repainted red and got a rebuilt, adding his ponytruck but then changing his tender basis. 3:24 this basis has the smokebox of the 812s. 3:36 and yes this is actually funny that Johnson from demonofnowheres name came from his built design basis. I honestly loved that character 4:48 I found this funny as all the red engines gathered up

In my story.... Siblings..... That's the end ofc lol i wanted to. Make it long but sorry if u didnt do it But if you're mean Ok.

I've got Several Theories on what The Second Red Engines Basis could be but if told you what they all were, we'd be here all day so I narrowed it down to 3 Possible Designs it would be the GCR 9J/LNER J11 FR D5 MR Johnson 3F And I think The Red Engine could be one of the engines that worked on the TK&FLR (Tidmouth, Knapford & Ffarquharr Light Railway) hence the Red Livery I personally don't think a GWR Dean Goods Class would work since The Boiler looks a bit too short

@ScorchZane

3 ай бұрын

Fair enough but we know he or she doesn’t need to be related to James

@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024

3 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane well, as I said The Red Engine could be from the TK&FLR which explains it's red Livery and as you said, He or She doesn't have to be related to James just because "it" looks similar to him so since 4 Depictions of The Red Engine exist (Eagle, Winston, Red Max and Johnson), I decided to do my own takes on the first 2 Nickname: Eagle Real Name: Ethan Basis: FR D5 Build Date: 1913 Arrived on the W&SR: 1916 Rebuilt with Added Pony Truck: 1919 Livery: FR Red (1913-1916), W&SR Blue (1916-1920), TW&SLR Teal (1920-1923), LMS Red (1923-1939), Wartime Black (1939-1945), NWR Light Red (1945-1948), BR Blue (1948-1968), NWR Maroon (1968-Present Day Winston Nickname: Wyatt Basis: LNER J11 Build Date: 1901 Arrived on the TK&FLR: 1917 Livery: GCR Green (1901-1917), TK&FLR Red (1917-1920), TW&SLR Teal (1920-1923), LNER Black (1923-1939), Wartime Black (1939-1945), NWR Dark Red (1945-1948), BR Black (1948-1968), NWR Light Purple (1968-Present Day) Ethan and Edward used to work on the FR together

@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024

Ай бұрын

@@ScorchZanedo you respect head-canons with the Second Red Engine being an L&YR Class 27, not a Class 28?

@ScorchZane

12 күн бұрын

as long as they as just simple ideas, rather than a fact in the offical lore

@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024

8 сағат бұрын

⁠@@ScorchZaneif the second Red engine (who in my au is named Eagle) was a 4-4-0, I would make him an MR 990 Class, if he was a 2-6-0 in my au, I would make him an LBSCR K Class (which is the basis I use for Alled Greedy/my take on the first Red engine)

That red engine looks like james, but he doesnt need to be a l&yr class 28 type c, he can be an l&yr class 27 type b

@ScorchZane

3 ай бұрын

plus if i recall correctly he also wasn't meant to exist

@tiagosimoes1994

3 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane but i think wilbert but the 2⁰ red engine in the series, and most of the channels started calling him Winston, and saided he was sold to the furness railway ever since he was build, to see if the fr can do with more power

@ScorchZane

3 ай бұрын

@@tiagosimoes1994 tbh the only way I can see on the Furness if he was brought out from the ROD or is a D5

@tiagosimoes1994

3 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane that is what i was thinking, but a video of fan of hiro said that Winston came from horwich works to help the d5s with the heavy goods work, and was was the biggest engine on the furness railway until the fr introduce 5 baltic tank engines in the early 20s

i Think i Might Make The Second Red Engine a LNER J11 or a FR D5

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

up to you man

@rafaelthelmsblueblack5tend903

5 ай бұрын

Or a LBSCR K Class

I prefer the F.R. G5 in my alternative universe.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Fair enough

@That_one-7F

5 ай бұрын

@ScorchZane fun facht he must be the youngest character that died been ruffle 2-3 years old

Well the second red engine doesn’t have to be related to James because some people believe that he related to James but he not so here my ideal take on the second red engine is that he’s name is weston a Rod deans goods engine built in 1883 and 1899 without the pony truck he work at the furnace railway with Edward Albert Mickey and other faceless k2s in 1897 he was good at working on goods trains and express services to he arrived on sodor in 1916 and became one of those loaned engines there in 1923 he Weston try push Henry out of the tunnel to no avail and in 1935 Weston would be sent away to work at other heritage railway there he would later return to sodor in 1960s so that he would meet he’s old friend Edward and he stayed on sodor in the present day and that’s my ideal take on the second red engine I hope you like my take on him scorchzane

I think it's not James, in my headcanon, it's a girl, and named Praymilly

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

Up to you

@BigEngines345_B12

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane ok

The 2nd Red Engine Is Eagle

I think he/her could possibly be a 2-6-0 class 34 CR

Well in my ideal probaly he is a j11 cuz he work in the nwr and probaly he is probaly he is lotahed and he was nammed sir alfred loid and he was nwrs engine wich he is a 0-4-0 and thats my ideal

Is it Eagle?

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

yes and no. yes because that’s what fans refer to him as, but no since he has no name in the RWS since Awdry never confirmed it.

It barely resembles James at all! I think it’s just a freelance engine that Dalby illustrated, and the “actual” second red engine would resemble a LBSCR K class judging by the cab windows, or y’know, it could be a M&SWJR 2-6-0 with inside cylinders, modified cab windows and a Fowler-esk tender, just saying

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

well up to you, there isn’t really a right or wrong answer regarding the background characters in the illustrations

The red engines name is eagle

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

And where did Awdry ever say that?

@dosmirautocare690

5 ай бұрын

He’s is only a oc

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Oc? What? Ok explain how the second red engine is in book 1 ie, in Awdry’s book. (Otherwise Eagle and Winston are just mere interpretations).

name of that class at 4:31

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

An LBSCR K class

Why the wiki says he is related to james for some reason

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

tbh that’s a good question and I criticise that wiki for not acknowledging that they are literally many other basis’ said engine could be

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane perhaps if this consider in the tvs universe

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 I would disagree since he never appeared in the TVS, I don’t mind it being a head canon or AU thing

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane if he did appear would he reused james' model at least for cgi

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 probably to keep the cost low

I don't know that i'm saying is that he's his name , is eagle

What is a jobber?

Why still in Work in progress?

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Wdym?

@Marvlgamer10

5 ай бұрын

I'm waiting for that video to be uploaded.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@Marvlgamer10 which one?

@Marvlgamer10

5 ай бұрын

This video

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@Marvlgamer10 oh it’s finished, it’s just gonna premiere in a couple of days (which is Saturday, since I only premier on Saturdays or Sundays).

Tbh he barley looks like a d5

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Then again he barely looks like a Class 28

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

5 ай бұрын

​@@ScorchZanei mean he looks like the tvs design

I was the first

@johnathonmcjohn3

Ай бұрын

i have seen everything