Discord server: discord.gg/b5X6xACb4s To be honest, this video was rushed since I couldn’t bare spending more time in it. Imma just focus in RWS mysteries, as well as my own AU.

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

I don't think I can blame you...I mean, you were losing your shit about the "87546 is a B17" fiasco. That and this video and all the other previous debunking videos all allude to the same issue begin with...and that is how the fanbase's complete utter embarrassing failure to separate reality/canon and fan interpretations. Now I'm no psychology expert, I don't even study it, but I feel like part of the reason why could theoretically because fans WANT something to believe in to fill in the gaps with background non-entities or unexplained/unexpanded elements of certain characters or unknown origin stories and WANT those gaps to be filled and expanded upon, they want to believe in it so badly they ended up turning a blind eye to reality. And don't get me, this ain't a justification for...um...what is basically completely embarrassing stupidity, but from a psychological standpoint, this probably makes sense. But if anyone sees this comment that's an expert on psychology, feel free to share your own two cents on why and how fans straight up disconnect personal fan interpretations from reality and actual confirmed canon and may get defensive over those misconceptions or whatnot.

@SodorExpressProductions

4 ай бұрын

Well mostly i made my 87546 a king class but he would arrive in 1928 in a different time i know it looks uncanny but a thats just me then he would come back to sodor and then crash into the flying kipper while pulling a goods train and then be rebuilt at crewe or the steam works and turned into a c1 Atlantic and he like being at crewe but was glad to come home with 87546 is me aka my oc but my story is called thomas and the modern where he come back but then takes over the express and gordon then gordon makes him crash into a flood this was when he was a king class back then so this was my ideal 87546 or history of 87546

In my headcannon, 87546 was actually an experimental 4-6-0 tender engine built for the GNR in 1920 as a hybrid of the C1 Atlantics and the H3 moguls built by Beyer, Peacock, and Company of Manchester. When the H4 moguls and A1 Pacifics started rolling off of the assembly lines, his design was shelved until 1928 when Gresley would use him as a basis for his B17 4-6-0.

@nigelgresley87546

5 ай бұрын

Ok I like this one

@gilberttheblackengineprodu182

5 ай бұрын

My headcanon of 87546 Is a b16 which went to gnr and rebuilt with slope running board, As the group started in 1923 98462 and 87546 went to the NWR

Man the sentance of headcannons retconning real life hits so hard

Guess I'm not the only one who dislikes the fact that people placed certain TTTE characters on years where the real basis doesn't exist... Also the B12s weren't worn out, they just weren't fit for the heavier trains that came in the 1920s, that why most of the B12s were relocated to the scottish part of the LNER

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

This would be like Diesel 10 visiting and crashing Lady in 1955.

You know, I think the reason why people think 98462 is a B12/3 and 87546 is a B17 is because the people who came up with them thought by mistake that Edward’s day out took place somewhere in the late 1920’s, which chronologically would have made sense as Edward’s class, the FR K2’s were scrapped during that time.

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

They probably assumed it was set in the 1930s or 40s.

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

@@joshuaW5621 Or we could also have a literal reimagining like The Adventure Begins where those completely nothing background entities are snapped out of existence and Thomas only arriving on Sodor after James arrived (in RWS canon, James only arrived during like 1924/1925 or something but then again we're talking about the TV series but had they gone with that as the timeline...it would really make you question why the Fat Controller willingly allowed him to keep his wooden brake blocks if practically everyone knew about it even at the start of TAB) and Henry is in a new shape...(Black 5 Stanniers were only first built in like 1935) although it's still possible that the latter was theoretically supposed to have been in his old shape but I digress. Yeah, so it's still highly possible for some fans would be willing to reinterpret the events of Three Railway Engines (+ Thomas the Tank Engine) taking place somewhere in the late 1920s or 1930s. Even if it might really make you question how the passage of time between events and character debuts would work if the series got reinterpreted that way.

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

@@megariderfire1994 the Adventure Begins isn’t really canon anyway, besides Thomas and James’s old liveries and the new characters, but I’m sure your theory on Henry might make some sense.

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

@@joshuaW5621 Dude, please. I literally called TAB "a literal reimagining" for a reason, emphasis on *REIMAGINING*. I should apologize if I should've word it better but I also never meant to imply that it was actually canon to RWS or the model series of the TV show. All I was doing is using TAB as an example for how some fans may interpret the timeline....like I can probably imagine how that film or even certain of the TV series (all of which is completely separate from the Railway Series, of course) could screw up how some fans may perceive the continuity and when things take place.

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

@@megariderfire1994 my mistake. I’m sorry if you felt I shat on your headcanon.

U know the funniest thing tho, so I used to thought 87546 was a B17 even tho a B17 had steam pipes even tho in the illustrations 87546 doesn't have steam pipes, well it's because Gordon is mostly seen with steam pipes, but in some illustrations, he doesn't have them like in Edwards Day Out or The Sad Story Of Henry or Edward And Gordon, so the same could've happen to 87546 Edit: if this is confusing I can explain more, also, steam pipes are the triangle things next to a engines smoke box, not only tender engines have them, Rosie has them too

@rafidhiyaulhaq1107

3 ай бұрын

in railway term, its called the dry pipe

98462 and 87546 are like the younger community most loved things if you get what I mean. But yea a B-17 can't work for me I have him as one of thee Scottish locos Maybe a Highland Clan's locos. As a big flagship for the Highland railway it would make sense as his size made his bigger than Edward. Or failing that a HR river class/ Caledonian 938. Hence the 98 in his number : P

I personally think a GCR 9P (LNER B3) suits them very well for the roles the character usually plays in stories The 9P would also explain the ego and disdain for the A1 that often shows up in some stories The 9P's were Robinson's largest passenger locomotive (thus the ego). Despite this they were allocated to either sheds with little passenger traffic or were assigned to slow stopping service (under the GCR). What this would result in is a situation where 87546 has been given an express passenger service (maybe for the first time ever) and then an A1 shows up and back to secondary duties with 87546 The way they treat Edward is also understandable seeing as the 9P's have a similar tractive effort to a black 5, compared to the 1P classification of a K2

Why are ppl so dumb? Back in 2013, I read up on 87546 and read he was theorized to be a B17, but it wasn't possible as it was built in 1928. So I moved on thinking the fandom did too. So to find out ppl are still basing him of the b17 is mind blowing. Also you are right to pick on headcanons that mess up reality but when it comes to naming them, that's fine bro. Let the ppl name 87546 "Crovan" if they want to jeez.

I can assume whoever first thought of 87546 being a B17 simply didn’t know when said basis was built and the same with 98462 on being a B12/3 with whoever thought of it first also didn’t know when said basis was built. Skarloey123 wasn’t the first to come up with them being a B17 and B12/3 and he even confirmed on Twitter a while back he didn’t plan on having Alfred the same as 98462, they were already also said classes in The Extended Railway Series where they appeared earlier in 2009 just before Sodor Dark Times came out according to 01Salty’s Deviantart pages of them where as far as I know that’s where 87546 was first depicted as a B17. However just a year before in 2008 in Rexeljet’s Thomas’ Early Years mini series he already had 98462 as a B12 so that idea was already around (87546 was a V2 but again I can also assume he didn’t know about either the B12 or V2’s build dates alinging with the blue jerk’s arrival’s) so the B12 idea was already around but I don’t know if Rexeljet was the one to come up with it first or someone else or if he even thought of 87546 being a V2 or someone else. Of course I was literally only 3 then 4 starting in June in 2008 so I couldn’t have known back then what was going on in the very early days of the TTTE fandom.

Do Thomas fans not even read Wikipedia or locomotive websites these days? The idea that 87546 is supposed to be an LNER B17 is bollux when you learn they were built 4 years after the book is set. That’s like saying Edward is based on a D49. Today me and my friends were discussing the possibility of that green engine in the shed being a different character since Edward's Day Out is canonically set while Henry was in the tunnel. Doesn’t that sound interesting?

@therailwaymen2203

5 ай бұрын

I had that theory a while ago, but I never actually knew Edward’s day out takes place after Henry was bricked up in the tunnel, I’d later drop this theory but now you’ve reminded me, I’ll look back at it again

Looking at the thumbnail, exactly. How can an engine be a design that wasn’t built yet. Going back to the Gordon is not an A0 video, Gordon could be the 1920’s draft of the A1. But the events of the early RWS (the three Railway engines and the Thomas book) happen in 1915 because that was probably the year that Thomas arrived. Update: Even if Gordon was an A0 he would likely not be built at the time Thomas arrived.

@TheSudrianTerrier653

5 ай бұрын

actually the Three railway engines and Thomas the tank engine take place between 1922-1925

@xavierjuno4572

5 ай бұрын

​@@TheSudrianTerrier653Yes and if I recall Gordon was one of the newer engines at the time, which would mean he only came to the railway just recently

I'm with you on the 87546 not being a b17 idea 100%. Because yeah, 87546 being a prototype built like 7-8 years before his actual class was designed is just, no bro... Just no... My take on 87546 is respectful to the time line realistically. He's a GNR H2 class particularly no.1636 later LNER k1 no.4636 then later rebuild into a k2/1 class in and later renumbered to 1728 in 1946 and later 61728 under BR. I know that's a little specific, but I just wanted to clarify it. Mostly because, in my canon he was sent away and was a frequent visitor and was later saved from scrap by the NWR and works on the mainline and sometimes the Kirk Ronan line.

Some people actually decide that 98462 and 87546 are actually LNER B4's, and people make 87546 into Moguls

He can't be a B17 But he could be a Raven A2

I remember back in 2022 I saw a remake of sodor dark times in the scene with Alfred and Cecil i said in the comments that maybe Cecil was ment to be 87546 in SDT but then someone replied to me saying nO 87546 iS mEnT tO bE a B17 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 And i replied saying that 87546 couldn't be a B17 because they were built in 1928 and Edward's day out takes place in 1923 it was actually stupid and annoying

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

That kid mustn’t have read Wikipedia I guess.

My 87546 is a k class whom arrived for passenger services (mainly the ones henry should pull) wich made him have a big head for performing better than a tenn wheller, this resulted in him being sent away

2:15 although I agree in principle that head cannons should try and keep in mind what year the basis was created, to play devils advocate for a second, even the official Thomas & Friends series can be inconsistent with the real life history of engine basis. I just look at the CGI series. We see a middle-aged queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles is still in elementary school, which would set the series sometime during the 50s… but then engines like Salty, who wouldn’t come into existence until about the 60s, have been on Sodor for several years. Also, they claim that hero is the oldest engine on Sodor despite the fact he should’ve been built in the 30s which would make him younger than Thomas. Again, I think AU are better when they try to keep real life history in mind. But when even the official series is inconsistent with that, I think some fan content is OK to change the dates a little bit. Provided that they don’t try pushing their headcanon as fact.

This is why I have 87546 as an LNER B16 in my headcanon. My reason being the B16s were built between 1919-1924.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

ngl that’s better than the B17s

@isaiahvang144

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane I see.

my head cannon for 87546 is a "GWR 4000 Class" they were design in 1906 and interduced in 1907 which is bassically just my head cannon bassically makes him a prototype engine that worked and sent to sodor for trial before send away to their old Railway or something. thats my head cannon

@bryanadelio887

3 ай бұрын

to me,i think this engine is too old but just my head cannon

Frankly I picked the GNR O2 no. 461 for 87546 because the engine was built in 1918 and it is a closest design for 87546 in the illustration (PS not trying to take the illustration way too seriously).

As an older member of the TTTE Community, THANK YOU. So glad to see a relatively newer user clarifying these misconceptions up about 98462 & 87546. The difference between Skarloey123, Wild Nor Wester, Thomas1Edward2Henry3, and other users back then, it was quite clearly their fan interpretation of the characters. Heck, I don't believe 87646 was dubbed as LNER B17 until 2016 or so, well after the fact when the Trainz model was made. In which itself was just a RWS model of old shape Henry in his blue livery which was made/released around 2012 or so. So the justification came much later in 2016-2017 of him being a B17, when that Trainz model of Henry, was suddenly the definitive version 87546 due to the popularity of T1E2H3's NWR Origins series.

@ScorchZane

Күн бұрын

honestly it’s very sad how fans became very blind and dictator-ish with both 98462 and 87546 as Alfred and Crovan

You can thank Max the GNR J13 for making that 2006-styled B17 model of 87546 for reviving the B17 depiction (he even realized his mistake and tried to make it up by creating an ‘06 model of his actual depiction of him, as a GNR Gresley H2). I’m not a fan of 87546 as a B17 as well, especially because I think the whole “prototype” claim I feel is just an excuse for people to make him a B17 in their AU’s.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Tbh them claiming he’s the prototype while contradicting real life is why I never respected those AUs.

@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024

Ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane0:32 What are your thoughts on The Loaned Engines having names other than numbers

@ScorchZane

12 күн бұрын

makes them having numbers pointless

@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024

12 күн бұрын

@@ScorchZane oh

I whole heartedly understand your rant, I have a slight issue with retconning real life events too.

@ScorchZane

Ай бұрын

Tbh I don’t think reckoning is the right term more like timeline illegal is a better term

Theory: 87546 was never real. A figment of imagination

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Top 10 most shocking theories:

@dylanlyles9453

5 ай бұрын

Or is he... BUM BUM BUUUUUM! THE END! QUESTION MARK!

@Stoked_magic

5 ай бұрын

Now that I think about it, that actually is a pretty good idea, maybe he was just never there in the first place (the true reason we never see him again)

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

All the loaned engines were made up.

@That_one-7F

5 ай бұрын

The same could be said for 98462 and the 2 red engines

Who's to say that 85476 is even of LNER/GNR origin.. ive seen a few ideas thrown about of them being either a D. Marsh J1/J2 (4-6-2) or a Billinton L class (4-6-4); both from the London Brighton

I think 87546 is just a simplified version of some class because, main characters such as Gordon and Edward look similar to there real life bases but are not exact to there real counterparts. Also remember that time when salty appeared (as a background character) in the adventure begins even though it takes place way before 1962 (when salty was built).

@ScorchZane

12 күн бұрын

don’t even use CGI to justify RWS logic (they’re literally seperate universes, lkke I said if so 87546 as a B17 prototype would’ve been built between 1925-1926 then instead of 1921-1923)

Theory : I think that 87546 might have been scraped but then saved

@LMS5935

5 ай бұрын

That makes no sense… how can something be scrapped and then saved

@jgfm8330

5 ай бұрын

@@LMS5935 it was nearly scrapped

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

@@jgfm8330 That makes so much more sense. That or said engine was in the MIDDLE of being scrapped...but was saved just in the nick of time, causing the the scrapping process to be halted and sparing the engine's life although said engine (since they're sentient in the Thomas world) would probably have long lasting PTSD from their near death ordeal.

He's more or less an NER B16. Those were built a lot earlier and it's logical that 87546 is a B16 because they were designed for freight service

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

Funny you mention that, some people also have 98462 as a B16 a 4-6-0 designed for goods work and have him as an express engine. Idk why but people just think 98462 was made for the express (which makes sense for the LNER B12, since during their GER years and even the years on the LNER they were express engines). But hey, I’m ok with headcanons and AUs, tho it’s odd if it’s in actual RWS by Awdry.

@gresleyng-thebritishrailwayfan

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane the B16s were actually designed for mixed-traffic work.

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

oh thanks

Thank you so god damn much for classifying that 87546 doesn’t have a name nor a confirmed basis. In my headcannon, 87546 is an LNER B4 and was originally named Robinson. But, that’s just my cannon

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

And that’s fine, up to you it’s your headcanon.

@GriffinTheLNERV2

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane Also the fact you kept saying F**k so much was laughable

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Guess you can say I scorched this video

@GriffinTheLNERV2

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane haha

I pretty much go by Ravenshire Works' depictions of 98462 and 87546. They are depicted as an NER S3 (later LNER B16) and a GNR H2/3 (later LNER K1/2) respectively. This would be some justification for their appearances in Edward's Day Out as both of the aformentioned locomotives were both built in 1920, three years before EDO.

I'll second that.

Keeping things consistent with the real life timeline is something that I believe helps contribute to a good story. Sure you can have some differences from the characters real basis so long as you don’t change the crucial pieces of information. It’s like trying to force for example a 1950’s built BR Britannia into a story that took place in 1915. It just doesn’t make sense! 87546 can be up to peoples own imagination, and they can do their own takes. However what makes it reasonable or not is when that particular fan’s interpretation of Edward’s day out takes place. If it sticks to the canonical lore, B17 87546 cannot work. No experimental built prototype excuses make the cut. I’d personally stick to a design of GCR decent, such as the B4. Such a design makes sense and can in theory work. In that regard you could make the claim that 87546 would be rebuilt from a B4 into a B17 in 1928. Only after leaving the NWR. Emphasis on AFTER

I think he used to be an Modified Atlantic and crashed near the B17s and broke his body so he turned into a B17.

87546 can't be a B17 4-6-0 But he can be an O2 2-8-0

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

or a B4 4-6-0 or even one of Gresley’s Moguls. the possibilities are endless

@CandleheadandGregoryFan

5 ай бұрын

​@ScorchZane Yeah But I see him as an O2, a 2-8-0

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

Dudley is also an O2.

@CandleheadandGregoryFan

5 ай бұрын

@@joshuaW5621 Yes I know

@marklincovet509

5 ай бұрын

Like I said: I see him as a O1 2-8-0

In my main headcanon 98462 & 87546 are the recent trainz models because they look cool

Kids after see this video:He'S tHe PrOtOtYpE

Here’s my headcanon. 98462 is a Class 956 from the Caledonian Railway. And 87546 is a Class 191, also from the Caledonian.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Damn both of them sure are Scottish

The nameless jobber quartet is complete

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

Unless you count the green engine in Edward’s Day Out which people say is Henry (even though the story was set while Henry was still in the tunnel).

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

@@joshuaW5621 Oh yeah, speaking of which...I forgot, was Gordon purchased AFTER Henry got shut up in the tunnel? That and...if Awdry confirmed The Sad Story of Henry taking place in...what? 1922, while the other three stories of Three Railway Engines was in 1923? That technically would mean the stories aren't completely in order, that should mean The Sad Story of Henry should be the FIRST story in the book....like WHAT THE HELL?! Did no one question this?! *What the story order ORIGINALLY was:* Edward's Day Out -> Edward and Gordon -> The Sad Story of Henry -> Edward, Gordon and Henry *What SHOULD'VE been the story order, as established in LATER CANON:* The Sad Story of Henry -> Edward's Day Out -> Edward and Gordon -> Edward, Gordon, and Henry (And I don't think the story order isn't even the book's fault, it's the LATER CANON that give you this headscratcher. This does remind me how Unlucky Tug pointed out how the original Star Wars trilogy had issues regarding it's continuity because of what got established the later canon or basically the confirmed canon (the later prequels, etc) that was produced afterwards) Three Railway Engines is quite the solid albeit very rocky confusing start to the overall franchise if I'm gonna be honest...especially considering the production history and how it needed to be illustrated many times. But then again, the first ever book is bound to have it's flaws.

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

@@megariderfire1994 well not every book has its stories in canonical order. Some of Christopher’s books had some stories set in different years, ex. Fire Engine happening before Crossed Lines.

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

@@joshuaW5621 Wait, that was actually CANONICALLY CONFIRMED that Fire Engine took place before Crossed Lines? Can you show me the link to that? On the other hand, I see your point but it does make the story order confusing.

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

@@megariderfire1994 I think the wiki said it one time, but it’s been removed. I’m not 100% sure if this is confirmed but it’s possible they might be.

I might consider 87546's b17 to be his new shape

In my headcanon he is an GNR H3.

im totally not proud that my 87546 is a prototype of gwr castle

I see you learned it from me. I did an a1 henry and donald or Douglas's tender

I have 87546 or Crovan as an gnr/lner o1 (specifically one built in 1919) in my headcannon.

Only express trains

My Donald and Douglas are 4-2-2 Caledonian engines and replicas of the class built in 1919

I also thought 87546 was a 4-4-2 or something.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

According Awdry 87546 has no confirmed basis, so it’s pretty much up to you on how you view him.

I can say that I choose for 87546 to be a Raven A2 Class built in 1922.

My version of 87546 is an LBSCR H2 named Marsha. She was killed in 1925.

Me who changed my head cannon so 87546 can be a B17. Because I'm a man that just wants to watch the world burn

In my headcanon, 98462, the big red engine, 87546, and the big green engine in Edward’s Day Out are all the same class, which is a freelance design

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

right why freelance, like don’t get me wrong it suits them but tho?

@everythingproductions2004

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZaneBecause to me, they don’t look like any engine that exists in real life

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

@@everythingproductions2004 ok fair enough, tho I do have another question are each of them from one of the 120 rail companies or are they owned by a unknown company.

@everythingproductions2004

4 ай бұрын

​@@ScorchZaneI'm going to say the Great Eastern Railway due to the most engines being blue

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

what about the red engines and that green engine?

someone mentioned that by taking out the 7 in 87546, you end up with the number of a B12 so i headcanon them as one and before anyone says something, no they are not Alfred, he's a D16

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My version of 87546 is a king class and dont say he arrived in 1923 he would arrive in 1928 and he would be rebuilt in 2024 dont ask me why train lived a long time in the other series and 87546 would be rebuilt at crewe and was turned from a king class to a c1 Atlantic. And his name is Kirk Ronan. Kirk Ronan liked being at crewe but was glad to come home. This is my ideal 87546 so scorchZane dont change my story of 87546 Edwards day out would happen in 1930, edward and gordon 1930, sad story of henry 1930,edward gordon and henry 1930 so please let me have this.

He's probably (more than likely) a 4-4-2, based on the length of his boiler in the one illustration he was in (it's visibly shorter than Gordon's.) He's more than likely a freelance design. In RWS lore, it could be any British tender engine built between 1910 and 1923, around Gordon's size at most, same applies to 98462.

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

True and I agree with you

Nah but seriously, I was a big B17 87546 Stan a while ago til I formed a headcanon for him He’s an LNER B3, aka the “Lord Faringdon.” He was sent away in ‘28 and since there was a gap open and the work was increasing, Topham simply bought a B17 from the LNER🤷🏾‍♂️ That B17 is my PFP lmao

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Interesting take, and atleast your doing your own thing

Actually 2 engines did have their basis named in the TVS: BoCo and Merlin.

If you zoom in close towards 87546’s cab you can see his smoke box slants because the lining there is wider than the lining closest to his smoke box. We can also conclude that he’s either a 2-6-0 or a 2-6-2 because if you zoom in on his second wheel you can see white which indicates that’s where his connecting rods or wtv they’re called are Edit: Looking back at it he also doesn’t seem to have wheel arches. Also you can’t seem to even see a glimpse of his tender which could mean his tender is short in height. His front half is also rather short. He looks to only have three stripes

yeah I have to agree with your rant

In my au 87545/crovan is a prototype b16 made in 1918 he has a bogie wheel in the back (like Gordon in the tvs) and he got sent away in 1925 (along with Alfred) 87546 also had trouble moving backwards due to this bogie in 1956 when diesel prototypes were being built he had a terrible accident with a lner express train his bogie was one of a kind and was so damaged they had to cut it off this giving him a normal b16 look he was sent back to sodor in 1956 (around s5 in my head cannon) a change engine from the crash Alfred was also sent back most engines thought 87546 now crovan was still a bully and Alfred did not help with his bully self still there in 1959 he saved some passengers lives when a bad fire was made at knapfor due to careless workers who ofc got fired that made the engines to forgive him

I am planing to make 87546 be a V2 class which pulls trains from London to vicarstown

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Up to you

@jgfm8330

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane yeah but now I know I need a small boiler c1 because it fits in the timeline

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

V2? As in LNER V2 which only started being produced in 1936 or something? But still, up to you.

@jgfm8330

5 ай бұрын

@@megariderfire1994 well now I think I will choose a small boiler C1

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

@@jgfm8330 Fair enough.

Judging by his wheels, 87546 looks like he has 2 small front wheels and the other wheels behind the two small wheels look bigger.

The B17 was designed in like, the 40's and by Edward Thompson, either 87546 is a timetraveler or Thompson was like, the chief mechanical engineer of some railway in the Red Engine AU. Personally, i don't really care about the backround engines. Reginald was a nutcase and didn't know what he was drawing. I feel like relugious people feel obligated to answer with sense making conclusions which is probably the reason 87546 has a number in the first place

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Actually according to what I’ve researched it’s says the B17s were built between 1928 to 1937. I think it was the Thompson B1s that were the ones built during 40s

@DuckyLTD69

5 ай бұрын

Ohh, right holdon, Thompson standardized the LNER.. or NER, yeah sorry, but still, WAY later than the NWR's beginnings.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@DuckyLTD69 NWR beginnings? Is that a fan series or something?

@DuckyLTD69

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane No No i mean like when the NWR opened, Gosh NWR beginnings is a uh, obsurd name.

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

@@DuckyLTD69 oh right sorry got that confused

Should i take a taratrum when comes to make a rants about things that people hate like ai and bwba NOOOOO i wouldn't do that

Dont you remember that is boco and bill and ben's debut episode they mention boco's baisis

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

I didnt mention them since the TVS threw that out into the trash.

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane about what

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

locomotive basis' and the idenity behind them

Oh wait there is i think 87546 is a A0 class engine because my headcannons is that Henry haves a brother that its 87546 Henry as have a small firebox while 87546 have a bigger one

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

1915 draft?

@Old.Shape_to_new-shape

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane yes

He is a blue tender engine

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

doesn’t mean he’s B17

@metrofox1424

5 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane He's a blue tender engine. Nothing more. Nothing less

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

@@metrofox1424honestly based word man

2:43 sent him to Characterville

In My AU 87546 Is An Gnr Atlantic Named Alice. Her & 98462 (Who Is Called Regaby) Are Lackeys To Alled (The 1st Red Engine). 87546 Never Wanted To Be Rude To Anyone Because Regaby And Alled Forced Her To. Eventually Alice Was Purchased By The NWR And Was Painted Purple With White Lining.

Hold up, 87546 being a B4? That would look FIRE🔥🔥🔥

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Ngl I agree, in fact it’s on the internet as well

@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024

2 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane ya know, I've seen a few head-canons where The Big Red Engine and 87546 are Siblings represented as LNER B4s/GCR 8Fs

My ideal 87546 and Henry are the same class because an unknown builder wanted to compete with The LNER and the G&SWR, so he sent a spy to get plans first the spy got plans of the 3rd and 4th members of the G&SWR 128 class, then he got plans of a LNER B4 and then the builder mixed the parts to make one engine, Henry was built in 1922 and 87546 in 1923, then he tested them to see which one was best to keep 87546 was the one to, he sold Henry and then thought that if he sold 87546 too he would be able to make a new engine, so he sold them off both, Henry was numbered the number 3 but 87546 wouldn’t get his number until after Emily became the number 12 because he was needed to help out with other jobs so when a engine was in the works 87546 would take it, and that’s my head canon for my ideal 87546 and Henry

When you said "the B17s were built in 1928 & 87546 was in Edward's day out in 1923" maybe he was one of those NWR's Creations & after TVs was out, both 98462 & 87546 we're scrapped?

@ScorchZane

18 күн бұрын

I don’t mind if he’s a one off built by any company but a B17 in 1928? how the hell does that even work? 💀

I want my 87546 to be a relative to Thomas so she would be LBSCR L class and her name would be Remembrance and chainging the number to 333 after the real engine

Personally i think 87546 is a B16 (number 923)

1:56 unless if the first book takes place in 1928 by a headcanon

Can't wait

In my au,87546 is a LNER B3.

Tbh even if Edward was the main protagonist of the franchise things Will likley get worse like him becoming a meme

looks at gordon the experimental A1 built in 1921

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

That’s like a year away before the A1s were built (not to mention they were draft of it in 1920). Meanwhile the B17s never had drawings during the early 1920s and were being planned during 1926-1927 til they were finally being built in 1928. Being experimental would’ve meant they would’ve built 2 or 1 years before their basis’ would have been built meaning if 87546 was a B17, and was an experimental variant of it he would’ve been built at least 2 or 1 year before 1928. (Next time watch the damn video before saying “oh but he’s experimental like Gordon).

@starhunter1269

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane actually this might come to a shock to you but They where alleged drawing in 1920-25 for plans of the b17 and originally they where gonna help the Atlantics with bigger trains and if u have twitter I can show u the drawing

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

I got discord and yes I do have twitter but I use it these days; twitter.com/AlphaZaneHub

Two other problems with him being a B-17 relating to the class' existence: 1. They were built to succeed the B-12s because Gordon's class was too heavy for the lines they ran on (an A1 is 91.35 long tons vs a B-17's 80), and the A1s were new at the time. 2. If 98462 is a B-12, then things would be a bit awkward between him and 87546.

@ScorchZane

2 ай бұрын

Plus that would mean he and 98462 would hate each other

@pizzaplanettruck9761

2 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane That would be interesting to see.

@ScorchZane

2 ай бұрын

@@pizzaplanettruck9761 ngl I agree

Originally, I've planned to potray 87546 into some engines of many different designs, either an LNER B17, an original LNER A1 (Gordon's basis), an LNER B4 (Alled Greedy's basis), an LNER B16 (98462's basis) or an LNER O2 (Dudley's basis). However, after further examining the illustrations, it was revealed that he has at least two leading wheels. So, that means he is an LNER K3.

There are two 87546 in my HC the first one is an lner gresley k2 named regaby and the second is a red LB&SCR K class called crovan

@DarkBlueEngineProductions2024

3 ай бұрын

that's a similar thing in my head-canon with Crovan and Regaby being separate characters but 87546 is named Regaby (by DemonOfNowhere) and Crovan is 87547 (by T1E2H3) for their basis Regaby Full Name: Lord Frederick Regaby Number: 87546 Basis: LNER B3 Build Date: 1920 Arrived on Sodor: 1922 Livery: GCR Green (1920-1922), LNER Green (1922-1923), NWR Blue (1923-1925) Scrapped: 1925 Crovan Full Name: King Godred Crovan Number: 87547 Basis: Experimental 4-6-0 Tender Engine that looked similar to the LNER K2s Build Date: 1919 Arrived on Sodor: 1922 Rebuild Date: 1937 into an LNER K3 Livery: GNR Green (1912-1923), LNER Black (1923-1939), Wartime Black (1939-1945), LNER Black (1945-1948), BR Black (1948-1968), NWR Dark Blue (1968-Present Day) Number: GNR 1638 (1912-1923), LNER 4638 (1923-1946), LNER 1728 (1946-1948), BR 61728 (1948-1968), NWR 34 (1968-Present Day)

The only thing we lots know of is the 87546 a mogul wheel engine that he is a total ass towards other like his homies 98462 and the Red lard.

87546 was built by the same rival builder that made henry used the same drawings to make 87546 so thats Henry's brother

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

Awdry didn’t say, but up to you

The biggest reason why people think 87546 is a B17 is probably because of their lack of knowledge when it comes to British Railways, The reason why BadManoredProduction's takes are so surprising to everyone is because of their lack of reasearch. I don't even know all that much about railways, yet I still search up stuff to make sure my headcannon is historically accurate.

Did duck wore a different numberplate when he was at padditon

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

very GWR loco likely did

Have people him being potrayed as a b16 expect where they don't recton real life

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

I mean yeah some people even those who don't even do YT have him as a B16 since it was built between 1919-1924.

Well...I don't blame you for having a conniption over the utterly embarrassing contradiction that was 87546 as an LNER B17 (I like DemonOfNowhere's series personally...I definitely think Regaby is more or less better as an actual character than his real life basis) and your frustration with people who are doing fan interpretations of a franchise that was realistic as possible butchering the reallife historical aspects and this could also be controversial. Yeah, DemonOfNowhere probably should've gone with a different basis for their take of 87546...and it admittedly does make his dynamic with B12 Alfred!98462 more strange, since like you said the B17s were built to REPLACE the B12s. Like what? But it's the fact that Regaby was basis that should not existed at the time that was more important to address. You know what this reminds me of? The CGI era overall: - Like how the Miller/Nitrogen Era was batshit enough to make Hiro the first engine on Sodor and called him the famous Master of the Railway, when the JNR D51s were an absurdly mass produced common workhorse clone army that were only first built in 1936....and also aren't even the right gauge for standard gauge rails, and that doesn't stop there. - How Journey Beyond Sodor's Hurricane technically should not have existed at the time when Decapod got scrapped in what? 1919? On the topic of Decapod, let's say the engine is still alive in the TV series timeline, but that engine was rebuilt into an 0-8-0 tender engine and Hurricane isn't even accurate when Decapod should've been in it's new shape...does that mean Hurricane was taken in by the Steelworks before the year he was supposed to have been rebuilt in real life? But even then... - How The Great Race, as overly ambitious as the movie was, should've realistically impossible with some of the international engine classes that they picked...also aren't fit for standard gauge rails. (Ashima is Metre Gauge, Rajiv is Broad Gauge, Raul technically shouldn't have been broad gauge, etc) Wow, they really decided to reconvert these engines to the right gauge for just one event. This probably wouldn't have been a problem...but this carries on. - How starting from the BWBA movie, pretty much every other international railway is depicted as standard gauge definitely is not true...and Nia seems to be depicted as standard gauge from the get go. What the heck? - Speaking of BWBA movie onwards, it also reminds me how they added railways on locations that historically NEVER had railways in real life (There was no railway in the Amazon Rainforest) and they lazily reused Sodor sets for the other international railways when they may not fit the country they're in. - Other changing regional history in the BWBA Era, they also changed human history iirc in Thomas & The Royal Engine special Honorable (Although "Dishonorable" is probably more appropriate) Mentions to other Eras: - The controversial case of Stepney in the Classic Series, that they literally depicted this real life engine as a Sodor resident due to the producers trying to severe Sodor's connection to real life...and this is partly why Magic Railroad happened and changed how people view the franchise. That and let's not get started on the whole fiasco of the Bluebell Railway being sued for their real life engine that's over a hundred years old at the fucking time. - (The list probably goes on and maybe there's more examples I missed.)

@joshuaW5621

5 ай бұрын

Let’s also not forget Salty and Whiff having numbers of real preserved members of their class and the few American engines living on Sodor.

@megariderfire1994

5 ай бұрын

@@joshuaW5621 I don't actually mind Salty and Whiff being based off real preserved engines, however I can somewhat understand some issue with that since it's not like an alternate reality where the real life engine that was scrapped is actually preserved like Toby, BoCo, etc. (Their real life basises are the real life engines that were scrapped...although since that also counts as altering history, I suppose that comes off as a bit hypocritical of me in some cases so oops.) Oh, but the American engines on the other hand are huge sticking point due to how large their basises tend to be...(ironic how Philip, what CrovanWorks prefers to call 'em "Shitbox", is supposed to be a little engine) even if Rosie's class did replace the E2s (Thomas's class and they too are enormous like the SR USA class) at one point in the past.

What engine could have been used to meant to represent marklin in the tab other than salty in the tab as salty wouldn't work

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

why not a recolour of Thomas but in grey and black (and red of course)

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane yeah that could work

Personally, I would've gone with him being a B16

My AU version of 87546 is a Robinson O4

I agree with you because how would 87546 be in 1923 but 817 would be in 1928 but people have there own way of the two engines so it there right to do it but I still agree but in my au 87546 would come in 1928 so I would still have real life parts but thomas parts

Have people ever make a series where neither thomas or edward are the protagonist

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

🤷🏾‍♂️

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

4 ай бұрын

@@ScorchZane i mean Have people ever make a series where neither thomas or edward are not the protagonist

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 🤷🏾‍♂️

I think 87546 is a LNER O2

Should i put tatmr canon to my universe since my universe dosent recton real life

@ScorchZane

4 ай бұрын

I mean if your gonna have the RWS/Thomas in a real life setting then it’s up to you, in Awdry’s mainstream every vehicle has a face and are alive.

@chavopatyfanstudios2005

4 ай бұрын

​@@ScorchZanealso in my universe the magic railroad dosen't bring sodor to life with faces

87546 kinda looks like a woman in the ilustration

No not a v2 a small boiler c1 pacific

@megariderfire1994

4 ай бұрын

Atlantic?

I think 87546 is a CR 60 Class.

4:15 And that is why I went for 4:20 in my version of No. 87546. Also, my headcanon "official" reason he was sent away was more to performance as in real life, the "Imminghams" were not the best steamers alongside the C4 Atlantics (The D11 class 4-4-0s, typically smaller locomotives, can outperform both of them) so when Sir Topham Hatt I wanted a Robinson Atlantic and got Henry, he basically dodged a bullet.

What’s a jabber?

@ScorchZane

5 ай бұрын

someone who jobs, and that what 87546 was brought on for before he was sent away