While its not as effective as APFSDS it would definitely render the vehicle in-operable if it penetrated the hull roof...

@grendizergo4193

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering in case of non penetration frontal hit with HE, wouldn't the tanks fire systems like gun and gunsights be rendered in-operable too?

@SYsimulations

2 жыл бұрын

@@grendizergo4193 potentially, yes, but I wouldn't want to speculate without testing it

@grendizergo4193

2 жыл бұрын

@@SYsimulations would be interesting to see the simulation, but the details would be too complex to simulate I guess. anyway, thanks for answer. great fan of your videos tho ^_^

@primozcekada8116

2 жыл бұрын

On question, in the case of HE round exploding inside the Abrams, isn't the Abrams seperated into two main compartments (driver - gun crew). Did your test simulate that. If no is it enought to protect the gun crew from the HE exploding and killing them.

@codexjerry1156

2 жыл бұрын

well im just a war thunder scrub but is it possible to test the roof of m1 abrams against the same shell? This video demonstrates how inaccurate the overpressure mechanics in war thunder is and that it could be improved(which it wont because of server issues).

Turret crews : "Yay, we're safe!" The driver underneath : "ahdiajrgaiwkdbsi?"

@scheewheed8285

2 жыл бұрын

The driver: *proceeds to enter the void

@AlexandroneF

2 жыл бұрын

They aren’t really safe, because the pressure change would certainly pop their eardrums and some fragments could hurt them.

@MistahFox

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlexandroneF True, but they'd live. Assuming whatever shot them doesn't have another round...

@Sha.ll0w

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlexandroneF The internal plate for the turret crew doesn't get damaged to shrapnel and it would be rare to damage the crews hearing, as they use sound dampening headsets

@AlexandroneF

2 жыл бұрын

The problem here isn’t sound, it’s the pressure. A sudden dramatic change of pressure will definitely damage their hearing as long as their headsets aren’t airtight (which I highly doubt). Also, the pressure and vibration could theoretically cause some of the internal elements to break and shrapnel. So they will have a serious concussion, a permanent or long term hearing damage and possibly several broken bones if they’ll be thrown at something hard by the pressure wave.

One of the first things you learn as a tank driver is the two grab handles on the back of your seat are to drop the seat flat so the turret crew can drag your mangled corpse out of the drivers seat and dump it on the turret floor and the loader can take your place.

@kirishima638

2 жыл бұрын

And if your agility is high, it’s even easier to drag out your corpse for…reasons.

@kanamisprs4330

2 жыл бұрын

I've always thought that dragging said remains of your recently deceased friend and taking over his position, which would highly likely look like a butchers floor and just carry on with your new job was wishful thinking. Abandon vehicle would be more like it.

@kirishima638

2 жыл бұрын

@@kanamisprs4330 LOL yes. In reality, tank crews would bail out at the first penetrating hit. They weren't suicidal meat bags like in WT! WT also hugely overstates the result of penetrations. In reality, the chances of survival were good unless the ammo cooked off or you took a direct hit - there's lot of equipment inside a tank that can absorb/deflect the round.

@cliffordhallam3270

2 жыл бұрын

@@kanamisprs4330 That’s what you’d LIKE to do. However, a stationary tank is a dead tank. When I drove a Chieftain in the 70’s it was thought being immobile for half a minute in a tank engagement was pretty much a guarantee of death. This was before laser ranging which has speeded up tank gunnery a bit. I’d lower the estimate to 15 seconds. Getting out and hiding/running. . . Well, that’s what the machine gun on the top of the turret is there for. You have to remember if you kill a crew, even one or two of the , that’s either one tank less in the next fight or a tank with a reduced efficiency.

@kanamisprs4330

2 жыл бұрын

@@cliffordhallam3270 Was it something you actualy trained for or was it simply implied. I've read historical examples of tanks being hit and its just confusion they write about. The power knocked out, darkness and disorientation. Who's hit and or where. Wounded, panicy crewmembers trying to open jammed hatches. Where are the enemy. Stunned, thrown to the floor by the violence of the hit, etc. Grab a sten/mp40 and join the infantry seems to be the default reaction.

"Hey! Where's the driver?" "Well he's pretty much everywhere"

@rhetoricjester934

2 жыл бұрын

Did you get that line from a squire video lol

@murilovsilva

2 жыл бұрын

We had obnoxious drivers before, but this one is all over the place

@tachyon8317

3 ай бұрын

"He's right there. And there... and there... and here..."

Survivable or not, I can't imagine those pressure waves doing wonders for your eardrums.

@AllisterCaine

2 жыл бұрын

Wonders in a way you don't have to bother with obnoxious peoples tattle anymore.

@inout798

2 жыл бұрын

We are wearing caskets in tanks Maybe it’s prevents that ?

@BasedMilitarist6624

2 жыл бұрын

@@inout798 Not really brother. They are not sealed and most crews dont even tighten the casket so most of them is either deaf or dead

@bafflestrike2358

2 жыл бұрын

Modern cvc headsets would protect the crewmen's ears quite well.

@user-yc1xe1pd1f

2 жыл бұрын

Remember „The Hurt Locker?“. Explosion squeezed brains and eyes of the Engineer, although he was in his suit and relatively far from the bomb. I think the crew will also receive injuries of their other internal organs.

"Old painless" for the driver... Less so for his crew mates.

@konstantinriumin2657

2 жыл бұрын

Crewmates? Is there an impostor among them?

@colbyuetake130

2 жыл бұрын

@@konstantinriumin2657 yes but he already got overpressured

@josephmontanaro2350

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry they only suffer a few moments of panic before the next round hits fuel/ammo/the crew themselves and puts them out of their misery

@sciathoir

Жыл бұрын

@@josephmontanaro2350 The council has allotted this but one, singular, Yike.

"They Kill the Driver, we trying to cover for him" "The Driver is dead, we can Barely move"

A hit to the components on the roof would be very interesting to see, if a HE shell hitting the machinegun or optics on the roof would do any damage to the crew when buttoned up

@PAcifisti

2 жыл бұрын

Probably would wreck the whole lot. Not that long ago pictures of an Abrams tank being accidently hit in the roof with a practice round circled around the internet. The commander was wounded and pretty much the entire roof was wrecked. And that was a dummy round without any massive explosion.

@sagichnichtsowiesonicht7326

2 жыл бұрын

@@PAcifisti do you have a link to these pics ?

@williewilson2250

2 жыл бұрын

Likely the same thing here, 38mm on the roof as well so that would be bad

@AmericanIdiot7659

2 жыл бұрын

@@PAcifisti source? You: trust me bro

@PAcifisti

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanIdiot7659 At least your name is relevant to the level of google-fu you can do. "Abrams Training accident" or even just "Abrams accident" both point out to the 2020 incident from which those pictures are from. Though I presumed that people had heard of the incident since it made the rounds around the Internet only a year ago. But my bad, I shouldn't assume that people can remember or google.

So what ive concluded is eveytime an abrams gets hit the driver will have the most chances of dying

@ggurwlcom420

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. To make it worse there's nothing they can do about it. They can put digital control in the driver place and let it's driver occupy loader position in the turret operating them but they have no autoloader. An IED or mine blast underneath it's front will kill the driver even if they did not necessarily disabled the tank.

@marcusborderlands6177

2 жыл бұрын

@@drinkyourwater1039 lol. Loader is the guy who has to get out to poke the dead dog on the road with a stick to see if it's an ied

@icetea8946

2 жыл бұрын

@@drinkyourwater1039 loader has way more to do than just loading shells during combat and outside combat. Check redeffect's interview with the abrams operator. The guy was once a loader then a abrams gunner

@kireta21

2 жыл бұрын

During Desert Storm, US M1A1 was hit from behind by another M1 that mistook it for flanking Iraqi tank. Round penetrated side armor at great angle, pierced hull rack, and fuel tank, spraying inside of a tank with shrapnel, pieces of burning Uranium, and JP8 that quickly ingited as well. Guess who was the only fatality?

@mrquark9078

2 жыл бұрын

Так то во всех танках, у водителя больше всего шанс умереть. Такова судьба водителя :(

I definitely want hearing protection for any of those scenarios.

@Daniel-wy2kx

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t even think it’d help

@sealpiercing8476

2 жыл бұрын

@@Daniel-wy2kx In the penetrating hit and even the non-penetrating hits I see 50 kPa overpressures, and I would like to avoid hearing damage if practical. I imagine it would improve my effectiveness to be able to talk to my surviving crewmates even after taking a hit, if I were a tanker.

@Roderik95

2 жыл бұрын

@@sealpiercing8476 Tankers usually wear helmets with ear protection and internal radio for communication do they not? As far as I know that has been the norm for a long time, correct me if I am wrong.

@sealpiercing8476

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roderik95 I thought that was the case also, and this is certainly illustrative as to one of the reasons for it.

@Patrick-zr8tv

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roderik95 I mean, a tank would be pretty useless if all you had to do was blast it with a non penetrating HE shell to deafen the crew, so I reckon hearing protection would be absolutely necessary. I'd imagine just firing the gun would be loud enough to do permanent damage.

Now I feel cheated whenever my HE shell does tiny damage to MBTs in tank games

@goosegg4653

2 жыл бұрын

Well, this HE has as much explosive mass as some 155 Arty shells, despite being a 125mm

@lorenzocampolucci4464

2 жыл бұрын

@@goosegg4653 German 150mm arty should be almost the same as the sturmpanzer 1, with an 8.4kg equivalent in tnt, I don't know the tnt equivalent of this shell though

@halo64654

2 жыл бұрын

Wait untill you play warthunder... They actually have uverpressure in game.

@lorenzocampolucci4464

2 жыл бұрын

@@halo64654 actually, I play with 7.3 German tanks, just about to buy the jagdtiger (is it? The one with the 128mm kwk44, same that should've been on the maus

@icannon6611

2 жыл бұрын

This is part of why old tanks carried so much HE, it absolutely could knock out a tank fron overdressed alone.

I know T-72 driver that survived a hit by RPG-he just got into the tank and he got ejected through the hatch (quite far away). He was bruised but unharmed. His two buddies, however, were hurt, but the carousel ammo didn't detonate and he was able to get back in, start the tank and get them to safety. He said that they survived because they were completely unbuttoned as they just got in.

As a prior m1 driver...yeah..I knew I was fubar........either from under hull IED or something hitting my hatch directly

I worked on the NLOSC (Non Line of Sight Cannon) for the Future Combat Systems. I was told that the hatch sealing surfaces for the drivers hatches were "Critical Features" because if the hatch seal failed when the cannon was fired the overpressure would kill the crew.

Really like the title format now! Awesome content as a whole :)

The angle is a perfect scenario of a ricochet into that gap or if the Abrams' nose was pointing upwards. A true "shot trap". The design of the armor makes a direct hit unlikely at a distance as the arc of path of the projectile will hit the top armor first or hit the armor onto of the driver killing him instantly. Great simulation.

@Native_love

2 жыл бұрын

On top of the driver. Not onto.

@leighrate

2 жыл бұрын

Or open sights at close range or FIBUA.

@john_smithchiropractor3931

2 жыл бұрын

@@Native_love I was just going to say the exact thing but you beat metoit.

@fouzaialaa7962

2 жыл бұрын

military history visualized mentioned in one of his videos that in WW2 the number of hits on copulas and driver hatches and week spots in general was astronomically high compared to the expectations ..... it was proof that ppl aimed for week spots in tanks ...thats why panzer 4's and panthers had many copulas and hatches revisions ... becoz soviets aimed for them an often hit them .... ppl will aim for the famous abrams shot trap when they get the chance !!!

@daverobinson3499

Жыл бұрын

@@fouzaialaa7962 in ww2 engagements where extremely close range, good luck hitting a weak spot at 1200m plus on a target moving cross country, it just doesn't happen

How long does it take to compute these? How long would it take to compute several calculations all in one animation? Also what type of computer are you using?

It would be interesting to see the effects of 125mm the thermobaric rounds impacting on the armor while hatches are open (hatches being open happens a lot) - since thermobaric rounds are designed to kill the enemy behind cover (bunkers etc.) with the shockwave that they create - this would be really interesting to see simulated.

@faultline3936

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure they don't open their hatches in battle... Lol

@williammontpirg4080

Жыл бұрын

Battle doesn’t always happen when both parties intend for it to happen lol

@tiagodagostini

Жыл бұрын

No need to simulate. a hit with hatches open from a thermobaric weapon is a dead crew.

@moleratstew

Жыл бұрын

Coming soon, to another European nation near you!

@waylonk2453

Жыл бұрын

@@moleratstew Haha, no kidding. You know things have gone sideways when there are Abrams tanks deployed in Europe

I hate when these videos end, they're so good!

This is an extremely well done representation

Can you please do Swedish Spgr/M95 for the T-90 Frontal turret hit

@elusive6119

2 жыл бұрын

Т-90? (Т-72УБ) Т-90А? (Т-90С) Т-90М? (Т-90АМ)

@Fwostylicious

2 жыл бұрын

@@elusive6119 Any is fine

@Danuxsy

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine if there was some AI that would instantly generate this content whenever a comment like this came up, hmm... Demis Hassabis are you listening?

thanks for the simulation Sam, great stuff. I was always wondering what would happen if a HE would hit the shot trap of the Abrams. Also interesting is be what would be the effects if a HESH would hit the same place on the Abrams.

@5RndsFFE

2 жыл бұрын

Due to the way fuzes and rounds function, HESH should be more lethal should it not ricochet entirely. Seeing that with the round deforming prior to functioning that would focus the energy more, where as regular HE shells primarily use shrapnel for incapacitation and the pressure wave as a secondary effect.

@daverobinson3499

Жыл бұрын

@@5RndsFFE hesh wouldn't work as the fuse on it wouldnt active properly, and tbh hesh is completely useless on 3rd generation mbts unless you hit the rear of the tank or drop it on the roof at a 90° angle

Another great work!

IRL it uses A-IX-2, which is tad bit stronger than just RDX. Sad that it can't be modelled(

@XaHyMaH

2 жыл бұрын

Да мехводу па-любому крышка ))

Dang! This is so entertaining to watch!

Here we have representation of HE russian bias of war thunder. Now try it with leo2a6 pls :)

@tomrabe8037

Жыл бұрын

Da kannst du dir die Bilder von Kursk 1944 anschauen.

can you simulate probable blast-and-pressure damaging effects from 120-mm MPAT and 125-mm HEAT shells? both probably won't penetrate MBT front, but what kind of damage is to be expected?

I love these so much

Even if a HE didn’t penetrate, I’m guessing it’s still gonna phase the crew pretty hard. Like an intense flash bang. Kinda like having a trash can on your head and someone smacks it with a bat

@iambeloved496

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@robert122079

Жыл бұрын

Let's put it this way, a 55 gallon drum of homemade explosives directly under the tank will knock you out. From my personal experience.

There was a case during the yugoslav wars in the 90s that a T-72 was rendered inoperable by an AP shell from a 122mm howitzer, with the whole UFP bent, so any hope for high caliber AP simulations vs composite armour?

Nice, can you make a bmp3 100mm he version?

Interesting, what if 152mm HEAT's had shrapnel, would it penetrate hull roof/UFP if it hits the turret?

The internal detonation made me wonder about the overpressure effect of WWII APHE shells detonating inside of a tank after penetration. Simulating both the armor penetration and the following blast effect would probably be tricky, but you could just do what you did in this scenario and lace the projectile inside the vehicle and set it off. Maybe put a hole the diameter of the projectile into the hull just behind it, as that might affect the overpressure ever so slightly by allowing air to escape.

@stealth7545

Жыл бұрын

from what i remember the shells didnt work like that 100%, although games tend to portray them that way it was more the filler helped to create and disperse shrapnel moreso than actually damage crew from overpressure or the explosion itself since having a tank shell break through steel plating would do similar things on its own without an HE filler

If I recall correctly, they've been replacing the 38mm-ish RHa plate with 50mm composite plate to protect against self forging submuntions from cluster bombs and artillery shells, would this move the needle any on direct hit HE survivability?

@Aes880

2 жыл бұрын

it just another plate welded on top of the old 38mm one no fancy composite armour

@krzysztofbroda5376

2 жыл бұрын

A ww2 PTAB or any kind of HEAT bomblet would go through this

Warthunder: all I can do is "Hit"

Can you do a sim of HE vs. Riveted armor, or is that to complicated to simulate?

Could you do battleship sized projectiles and ship armor? Things like 16 inch shells etc?

@lililililililili8667

2 жыл бұрын

Battleship cannon vs one of those new tanks with the fancy reactive armor because why not.

@tcg1_qc

2 жыл бұрын

@@lililililililili8667 reactive armor won't do shit against that. Just the shell itself without explosive would destroy the tank

How do you do this kind simulation? What kind software does that?

@SYsimulations

2 жыл бұрын

Its called a coupled eulerian-lagrangian model where you basically have solids and liquids interacting (gasses count as liquids). Most engineering finite-element software can do this, but this one specifically is Abaqus

@demianpanassol8813

2 жыл бұрын

@@SYsimulations thanks man!

1:44 “Yes! A hit!”

can you use the model after it has been hit once and simulate what would happen if a follow up he shot was made with the hole in the drivers roof

В любом случае прямое попадание это гарантированная контузия или типа того. Первые секунд 10 экипаж будет отуплять.

@user-tn1ls2tc1k

2 жыл бұрын

Минус 100к мораль сразу) Это как минимум.

@user-et2mn9ui4q

2 жыл бұрын

Они ещё не проверили попадание в крышу башни. Тест неполный, слабый, больше похоже на пропаганду

@DrDog-gc6be

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-et2mn9ui4q шизик, успокойся. Никакая это не пропаганда.

@user-qv5ch3uv7g

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrDog-gc6be конечно нет горят хорошо.. проверено и у саудитов и в ираке.

Gaijin be like: Driver dead = all crew dead

@eledragon

2 жыл бұрын

non lethal for turret crew, but for sure they are stunned and deaf. gaijin should add a incapacitated timer for the crew that survived to become battle effective again.

now im wandering what effect would have 152/155 mm he on t-72/90... there is a descent reason for artillery regiments practice direct fire with 152mm howitzers, right?

Could you please do a hesh vs he comparison because I have a felling hesh should perform atlest simular to he even more so because hesh contains more explosive than a similar sized he

3OF26 HE filler has higher detonation velocity than pure RDX

@SYsimulations

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately there are more material properties needed than just the detonation velocity

@heksogen4788

2 жыл бұрын

@@SYsimulations Yes, you are right. For example in trauzl test nitroglicerin score higher than HMX, despite HMX having higher detonation velocity. One could conclude that nitroglicerin create higher deformation in-situ, which is important when facing armor plate, than hmx.

@demonslayer1287

2 жыл бұрын

@@SYsimulations For A-IX-2 the lead column expansion test value is 530cm³, which is better than 280cm³ of cast TNT or 480cm³ of pure RDX.

@demonslayer1287

2 жыл бұрын

The superiority of aluminum explosives is its Strength, Workability, not its detonation speed.

What about turret roof impact

@SYsimulations

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe in the future...

what software do you use for this simulation?

Now that's what I call a significant emotional event for the driver

I doubt that the detonator would engage under such an angle - I assume, that the engineers had this in mind when considering this gap. It is a dangerous scenario for the tank though.

@Thisious

2 жыл бұрын

look at where the shell is hitting on impact point 2, no question of detonator engagement and the effect is almost the same

@konstantinatanassov4353

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thisious yes, in the later scenarios it is true. I wrote about hitting the gap itself. But a bit further away from the upper hull armor results in no penetration. Dangerous it is anyways. The weak spot is the hatch. But I think the upper hull armor is not 38mm but 60mm or 70mm in thickness.

@abbc5156

2 жыл бұрын

there is programmable HE that can do explosion just before reaching the target

@konstantinatanassov4353

2 жыл бұрын

@@abbc5156 yes, you mean probably Time fuzes. Still, there is an small error in determining the exact flight time, so the explosion would happen just somewhere around, but not close enough. I would rather check, what an APFSDS can do when hitting the gap.

The commander : oooww my ears hey driver are you okay

@AnkunShin

2 жыл бұрын

Driver:Not Good My Head Got Explosion And I am Dead

Is it reasonable to think that a shot from an ISU-152 (or similar) landing in the gap between the hull and the turret and detonating would rip off the turret completely, regardless of how well armoured the tank might be? Modern composite armor being equal to 100cm of steel is all well and good, but surely the pressure generated by what is essentially a kilogram of tnt would completely destroy the bearings holding the turret in place?

this is beautiful

Can you simulate the nose cone + the actual turret of the leo2A5 to see how it affects apfsds and make the turret almost immune to it.

@LeGrandSarrazin

2 жыл бұрын

To be clear, that was only designed to defeat Cold-War era Soviet short rod APFSDS. Western or Modern Russian long-rod APFSDS is largely unaffected by the arrowhead spaced armor. At least, not to the degree short rod is effected. There is a reason Germany is the only nation in the world to adopt it.

@qc_ploum-zoum2

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeGrandSarrazin I know that apfsds of a certain length would not be affected much, but I thought only the newest apfsds were long enough.

@SYsimulations

2 жыл бұрын

I will be investigating this once I make a more accurate APFSDS model

@ratlingzombie8705

2 жыл бұрын

Apfsds rods must be longer than 1000mm to be uneffected. I don't know how many shells reach that

@timharnans

2 ай бұрын

@@LeGrandSarraziniirc Argentina used it on a Marder-based scout/light tank - the T.A.M.

Could you do a Schwere Gustav vs M1 ABRAMS? Some people claim that a "slow moving" 31.5inch shell can´t penetrate a modern tank.

@azureprophet

2 жыл бұрын

It would flip it into the air and the crew would die.

@off6848

Жыл бұрын

It would crush it like a tuna can

@timharnans

2 ай бұрын

Difference in penning and bending to the point of breaking

What happens if a hesh shell hits wood i need to know what would happen cause wood is softer then metal would is absorb the blast or get completely demolished ?

Would love to see the results for an APHE round where the majority of energy wouldn't be lost to the outside environment

Nice of all these dudes with high level educations to just appear on YT out of nowhere and post these accurate simulations.

Would be a hell of a shot to pull off but again amazing work simulating and rendering this :)

@destroyertashkent5713

2 жыл бұрын

its actually on of the easiest spot unless the tank is hulldown

@nicolaithelen6567

2 жыл бұрын

@@destroyertashkent5713 and even if it's in "hull down" position the driver's hatch can still be hit, since kinetic projectiles tend to have a ballistic arc due to their nature of being... ballistic projectiles

Man these must take some time to render considering all the physics at play.

Makes me think of the death of Ortelli and the fate of 66 in Team Yankee. Very interesting simulation!

Короче, бить можно в район погона башни любым боеприпасом - даже с промахом в поллаптя как минимум водиле кранты.

@user-tt1ie4ss5b

2 жыл бұрын

@Moraceae Когда служил в армии, был гратометчиком (стрелком РПГ, для тех кто переводить будет) был не долгое время, после КМБ. Был на стрельбах пару раз, в этой должности. Команда при стрельбе была: Гранатометчику! Коммулитивным..Под башню... Огонь.

@vernite_nickname

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-tt1ie4ss5b Кумулятивным, гранатомётчик, бля.

@gadykin175

2 жыл бұрын

@@vernite_nickname он тебе бля команду прапорщика написал от первоисточника))

Дроны 15-го ОМБ передают привет абрамсам

@Yourlocalboaty

Ай бұрын

They probably use HE shells too and that at a slower rate so the damage should be smaller.

lancet: "hold my beer"

Any simulation vs the turret roof/cupola?

What about a hit on the roof ? Long range plunging shot ?

@SYsimulations

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe in the future...

@AmericanIdiot7659

2 жыл бұрын

Nice pfp

@joesmittington1207

2 жыл бұрын

I think the problem with that is theres not much return on investment as far as setting up the simulation. I mean is there really any question there? A long range plunging shot from top of the line HE shells is gonna completely fuck the entire tank. Things like this are interesting because they are nuanced.

I love how americans say we hav ethe best tank Russia:you really think?

"They've killed our driver, We're covering his position but not very well" -WoT Commander

Very cool simulation! We want more! You should try FAB 5000!

@Max_Da_G

2 жыл бұрын

There wouldn't be much left of whatever tank is unfortunate enough to receive a direct hit ANYWHERE.

If this impact location with an HE shell can penetrate the frontal armor of any modern tank, this means there is a major design failure there. 38.1mm is helluva thin for any part of any tank exposed to the forward quadrant, considering how the Abrams is known as a good MBT, i am surprised such a stupid mistake got through quality control.

@lsq7833

2 жыл бұрын

ALL mbt's armor is optimized for LOS thickness. It's just impossible to have a homogenous protection. Those 38mm are not exposed to frontal kinetic shots.

@arczer2519

2 жыл бұрын

you can't armor tank against everything, also Large caliber HE could cause mission kill anyway by destroying suspension, optics or main gun. also by using HE you sacrifice first hit probability, due to lower velocity and stepper trajectory

Враньё! 125 мм пробивает Абрамс под башню.

About the hypothetical one, even i was pretty sure, if a 125 mm tank round blows up inside the tank, it would be game over

Когда у всех всё хорошо, страдает только один водитель Абрамса.

Man I sure hate it when my tank gets injected with hypervelocity gasses.

Russian tanks will not see where Abrams is firing at them. Commander I see a flash, boom ...

How do you know about the Abram's armour? I thought it was classified?

Does the simulation account for the force-spreading composition of chobham?

@josephahner3031

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda hard to do when the composition is classified but I'm pretty sure the plate they're simulating is just RHA given that it's very thin

What I would like to know is what value is being given to the strength of the Armor, Since Chobham Armor is a classified material, how has the simulation data been acquired? And Since I know the design of the Driver's hatch Armor plate I can already see that this simulation is incorrect, The Armor Plate that is the driver's hatch is thicker than what is being represented here in this simulation. The hatch for the driver is oversized and thicker that what is shown here, go look at the driver's hatch in photos that are available online. The driver's hatch is at least as thick as the Hull around it and sits higher up, so this simulation is not an accurate depiction of what might actually happen in reality.

@saulshennan6825

2 жыл бұрын

The glacis of the Abrams is 1.5" of RHA at 7 degrees from horizontal. It is not compound armor. The driver's hatch is a little thicker in places but there are several voids for the driver's optics.

From what we have seen in Ukraine, the Abrams would have destroyed the cheap T90 and sent its turret flying in the Ukrainian sky.

@shipovnik89

Жыл бұрын

So you're thinking tank operators like an idiot jump on your Abrams head-on? First learn tank tactics somewhere other than War Thunder. By the way, we are waiting, we have already announced good money for Leopards, for Abrams bounty will be much more.

@USViper

Жыл бұрын

@@shipovnik89 Kind of like the idiot russian prisoners they released into the military? 😂🤣😂

@Cleon851

Жыл бұрын

@@shipovnik89 I’ve seen videos of crispy Russian tankers being pissed on lmfao

You added a note that the exposure needs to exceed 10ms for the pressures to be lethal, but nowhere during the video is the red/light grey areas maintained for that long. So are they still lethal or am I reading the "Total Time" wrong?

@eugeneoreilly9356

Жыл бұрын

The time is immaterial.High pressure over a shorter time,or a lower pressure over a longer time.Both pressures are fatal .

what do you use to simulate these

Also keep in mind a 125mm HE shell would absolutely destroy the main gun and turret drives so the tank would be rendered combat ineffective.

@jaffacalling53

2 жыл бұрын

Makes you wonder why tanks even bother with APFSDS when enough high explosive will disable the tank anyway, along with killing the driver because lol 30mm hull armor.

@nemisous83

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaffacalling53 largely because of ballistic drop the gun has to be elevated to pretty much 30 degrees just to hit a target 2km out.

@sceptillion6847

2 жыл бұрын

Its really unlikely for a he shell to hit there thats why

@nemisous83

2 жыл бұрын

@@sceptillion6847 how so ? The laser range finder auto adjusts the reticle to the correct elevation the only way it would be off is if the tank is moved ng which in that case the round would hit higher which increases the chance of damaging the main gun and gun cradle

@sceptillion6847

2 жыл бұрын

@@nemisous83 lets be honest with each other the tank they are shooting at is probably gonna be moving and if you shoot a he and the abrams shoots a fucking uraniun round at you i think its obvious who wins, also fro mthe front its almost impossible to even see

Awesome simulation. Thankfully, there is no way that T-90 would have enough fuel to get to the battlefield.

ehat happrns if hit the tank roof directly and airburst, what about sideshots ? soviets instructed their tankers if the sitaution arises that they can utilize he frag against armor as often it would result in mission or mobility kill. for example if frag eas loaded and suddently tank came around they would fire the shell at it.

Can you simulate hits to the thickest part of the turret armor? HE, APFDS, squash, etc? Can you simulate the depleted i uranium armor mesh and composite armor layers as wel or just Steel?

@SYsimulations

2 жыл бұрын

The design of the composite armour is classified so I cant simulate that even reasonably accurately

@Wotplaya4

2 жыл бұрын

@Thomas Vavrusco Ye that's the problem though, the NERA elements we just don't know, composition, orientation of the arrays etc make a huge difference. Best thing you can do is to create some self made composite armor and swap out NERA elements for other materials, or orientation of plates etc to see their effect.

I was an M1A1 gunner during Desert Storm in 4th Battalion 70th Armor the battalion that destroyed an entire Iraqi Republican Guards division in less than two hours during the battle named "Madina Ridge". Our tank showed a few small caliber impacts. Other than that we weren't touched. We were way outside the range of the Iraqi tanks and their brief artillery fell nowhere near us. The M1A1 & M1A2s are incredibly well designed. I hope the Ukrainians get some tanks soon. Slava Ukraini!

@user-zl1gc4rr4x

Жыл бұрын

Воевать с русскими не тоже самое что с иракцами

@name12361

Жыл бұрын

You rlly think anyone can defeat russia?😂

@user-zl1gc4rr4x

Жыл бұрын

@@name12361 And what did I write?

T90 superior as always

@Leo-eh8hm

Жыл бұрын

t-90 lie with torn off towers in eastern ukraine

@shipovnik89

Жыл бұрын

@@Leo-eh8hm your fake ass lie torn off all over internets

@lmao.3661

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@rajaydon1893

Жыл бұрын

the same sh*t might happen to t90

I wonder if you could put the gun barrel on, just to see if it would still be working

So it is the same that chinese ztz99a s 125mm he do to m1?is it easy to kull all crew if he knock the machingun up the m1 s head?

@user-zc5ps3ge4i

2 ай бұрын

Chinese tank guns have same shells, Russia uses chines and n.korean ammo now with their own

What simulation thing are you using?

any Thermobaric shell test its any diffrent against tank?

That's something I've never actually thought about. Pressure and Noise, even if it's just a cannonball. The sound level of a metal ball hitting that armor. That has to be painful.

How did you work out the specs of the armour?

Amazing!!!

Safe to say the driver definitely had a mind blowing experience

Is this just a regular HE round? And not a HEAT round?

Please, make a 3bm42 test against the lower frontal part of the m1a1 and m1a2 housing

Not sure how these tests can even be accurate given that the reactive Armour characteristics of the Abrams are classified.

@bumponalog7164

Жыл бұрын

There is no reactive armor in that location.

Im curious if this takes into account the kevlar liner. It's basically there to stop fragments from killing the crew so if it doesn't get destroyed by the blast it could very possibly save the driver.

@WhatTrigger

2 жыл бұрын

The pressure wave would travel through the Kevlar lining, simple terms think speaker on the opposite side of a glass window

@cryptoam177

2 жыл бұрын

Not likely to help given that the plate itself was "penetrated" by the overpressure of the shell.

@daverobinson3499

Жыл бұрын

Don't come here with facts bud they'll turn on you like a pack of dogs

Any chance we could see some HEAT weapons VS Spaced armour? I would really like to see how it behaves, how fast the jet loses coherence and penetration power. I just learnt that it's further than one might think, with some high caliber ATGMs weapon supposedly keeping a majority of penetration power out to 3 meters.

@SYsimulations

2 жыл бұрын

Lets just say, HEAT is coming soon...

@sproge2142

2 жыл бұрын

@@SYsimulations yaaaay! :D

Abram's driver: welcome to jackass