Sting's Retirement & A Reflection On His Career #5
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Undertaker and Matt discuss Sting's retirement from wrestling a look back at his career and the match that never was.
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@ZCW_ZANE
Ай бұрын
I love you undertaker your the greatest wrestler ever
@stephano5759
Ай бұрын
The podcast should have an alternate sports talk or general talk. Call it DEADMAN TALKING.
@tylercox1875
Ай бұрын
@@stephano5759wwe might have something to say about that 😂 bc they probably have “deadman” copyrighted
If we can't have Undertaker vs Sting in a match, can we get Undertaker and Sting in a podcast together?
@paulcowlishaw
Ай бұрын
Sting doesn't want to do it.
@Briiannn514
Ай бұрын
@@paulcowlishawoh yeah cause you know sting right
@Iceman-xe7jo
Ай бұрын
@@paulcowlishawyou mean sting the musician right?
@jasonnapier2942
Ай бұрын
No a cinematic match
@brianpatrow7558
Ай бұрын
That would be a great idea
The fact that this aint called “Dead Man Talking” is a crime.
@davidjohnson4293
Ай бұрын
I upvote that! 😂
@phillipbishop7719
Ай бұрын
That would be nice!
@maguirre16
Ай бұрын
Let's start a petition
@eazyd328
Ай бұрын
Lmaoooo
@williamvankleijr3839
Ай бұрын
Facts!!
Hey Taker! Please have Sting on your podcast as a guest
@immy2492
Ай бұрын
Would love to see this!
Please have Sting as a special guest on the podcast sometime in the future.
Sting is frigging 65, Born March 20, 1959. Unbelievable
The crazy thing is Sting isn't 61. He's 65. Let that sink in. The dude's longevity was unreal.
@bmills6176
20 күн бұрын
He was actually 62 250
@chipchippahson
20 күн бұрын
@@bmills6176 Uhhhhhhhh we're talking about age here dude.
@carllouisyoung
18 күн бұрын
That is so crazy he is 65...
So Mark just confirmed the Taker Vs Sting match never happened because Vince didn't want it. He was so tone-deaf to the fans and I'm glad he's gone.
@davidepannone6021
Ай бұрын
200%. I'm glad he's gone for good. To think Vince did not realize the box office of sting vs taker at mania (instead of HHH and that terrible ending) it's insane. Shows how out of touch he was this past decade.
@kryptoniankaiju
Ай бұрын
Vince on Taker vs Sting: "Eh.. I'm not feeling it." Vince on Triple H burying Sting like he did all of WCW's other top talent in the past: "I LOVE IT! LET'S DO IT! AND BURY THE NWO WHILE YOU'RE AT IT!"
@swishbenoit4489
Ай бұрын
Vince oh You mean the literal reason this podcast even exist ? Smh
@BrolyCain
Ай бұрын
@@kryptoniankaiju thats on hhh 2 cant blame vince 4 everything..h wanted 2 bury sting
@nochilllwill
Ай бұрын
vince lost his fastball at the end after 2008 booking decisions became much more spotty
Sting was definitely the face of WCW he was the man love sting growing up
@RomesThe59
Ай бұрын
Ric Flair?
@sydsweiner6516
27 күн бұрын
@@RomesThe59 could be a generational thing. I'm 34 and I remember Sting more than anyone
@BaltimoreBirds
17 күн бұрын
I remember after Sting beat Flair in that “passing of the face” of WCW match, as well.
@BaltimoreBirds
17 күн бұрын
@@sydsweiner651635, and Sting, even guys like Glacier we saw working more at that point.
@Nufcphoenix
Күн бұрын
I was born in 94 and I don’t remember much but when I think of wcw I think of sting, booker t, Goldberg, diamond Dallas page ect. But sting is definitely the first that comes to mind
Sting and The Undertaker on a podcast would break the internet 🔥
I think another reason sting lasted so long is his move set. He stuck to a pretty safe move set that didn’t do tons of damage to his body.
@BAztid
Ай бұрын
The first 10+ years he was around, Sting was pretty high impact and did some wild spots. His runs with Vader and Foley showed how far he was willing to go. Even after the 'Crow' change, and as recently as Forbidden Door, he showed he was willing to take big bumps.
@pastiesandagstring
Ай бұрын
@@BAztid he took his share of bumps and did crazy stuff on occasion but I mean like his finishers. None of his signatures were too rough on his body. He didn’t use a leg drop or moves where he was slamming down on his knees or tailbone constantly. Like how the leg drop messed up Hogan’s and Matt Hardy’s backs. I’m sure stone colds doesn’t feel too good after all these years either. Or the undertakers knees from doing the tombstone.
@chapingaryjr
Ай бұрын
Good call I always looked at it that way he didn't get to crazy till later on and got more crazy in aew
Wwe did sting zero favors when he finally crossed over
We definitely need Sting on the show! Get in your wrestling gear and do a stare down vignette for it as promotion! Would be legendary!
Vince is so out of touch no sting vs taker and Kurt’s last match with Corbin
@davidepannone6021
Ай бұрын
200%. I'm glad he's gone for good. It's insane to be Vince McMahon and not realize the box office sting vs taker (instead of HHH) at mania would've generated. Shows how much out of touch he was this past decade.
@user-mn1sm4pj2d
Ай бұрын
@@davidepannone6021I agree in principle, but Taker HHH was wm 27-28, right? Sting could've been not available at the time to transfer. Such deals take a lot of time, negotiation, then renegotiation, consent ultimately. But in perfect world Sting Taker for wm 30 would be great.
@davidepannone6021
Ай бұрын
@@user-mn1sm4pj2d dude I'm talking triple h vs sting which was horrible and even more so had an horrible finish with both DX and the nwo run ins. Nothing about hunter vs taker.
@user-mn1sm4pj2d
Ай бұрын
@@davidepannone6021 oh, ok. There was no angle, though. Streak was broken, and there was no time to make up a new story in place. They pitched that antiauthority thing for SO long. That's two matches that went wrong, Taker Brock and Sting HHH. Sting HHH could've been fine if they made it not just a street fight but like extreme rules. Then, if both DX and NWO stormed in and started wrecking up the place, that would be fun, but they would all need to be quite a bit younger for that to work. One of those things that got its implementation a decade too late. If they're too old to perform, don't show them, I agree.
Vince screwed Sting. Insane to bury him with Triple H and then put him in a match with unsafe Seth Rollins. Sting was one of the first guys to protect himself. He worked smart, took breaks and got over by building storylines and having great segments. Vince f'd up that formula.
@andrewft31
Ай бұрын
Sting was suppose to go over Rollins, that was part of the agreement… Triple H got Mania and Sting got the belt but he got injured during the match so they had to change to ending so he didn’t get injured further. Sting has said that was his fault because he didn’t prepare his body for the move properly and Rollins checked on him in the back because apparently Sting was a major influence on Rollins
@ninjanunch2769
26 күн бұрын
That's why Sting never wanted to go to WWE. I'm glad he got the end he deserved in AEW and had a nice run with Darby. Ended being tag team champs
@Kevmaster2000
22 күн бұрын
How is Seth unsafe? Sting himself already said him getting hurt was NOT on Seth, he already had an issue and taking the bump didn’t help it.
@ltopomcfly5583
21 күн бұрын
@@Kevmaster2000 He injured Bray at the time AND Finn Balor. Then, after ending Sting's career, he injured himself and lost the WWE title.
@mariorodriguezjunior
15 күн бұрын
@@andrewft31 Sting was supposed to go over? goddamit Seth.
We couldn't see Undertaker vs Sting, but I'd love to listen to Mark and Steve talk
Was “Crow Sting” really viewed as a knockoff to Undertaker? I never saw anything in Crow Sting that reminded me of ‘Taker.
@michaelriverajr8891
Ай бұрын
"Crow" sting was more closely related to the movie "the crow" instead of the undertaker. Never considered sting a knockoff of the Deadman when he switched from surfer sting to crow sting.
@davidepannone6021
Ай бұрын
Nah. It's just idiots that for some reason are tribalistic over whatever wrestling company they watch.
@Metalmessiah007
Ай бұрын
Agreed
@jordaneason5658
Ай бұрын
It was more of not talking and hair in his face
Please have taker and sting together in a podcast.
The fact that HHH got the WrestleMania match instead of Undertaker is the biggest missed match in wrestling.
Listening to The Undertaker speak from the tree of knowledge of the wrestling world is so insightful, entertaining and simply a blast. Thank you!!
Sting & Taker Podcast would break the net
Sting & Warrior were a tag team in Mid South known as the Blade Runners where Warrior was known as Rock. Then Warrior went to World Class & became the Dingo Warrior.
@tmage23
Ай бұрын
Technically it wasn't Mid-South but UWF - which was basically the same entity with a different name
@oldschoolprowrestling2653
Ай бұрын
They started in Memphis before Mid-South.
@ChargerBullet
Ай бұрын
They started their training in California for Powerteam USA. When that went nowhere they were picked up by Jerry Jarrett's CWA as The Freedom Fighters (Jim Justice Hellwig and Steve Flash Borden). They turned heel as The Blade Runners (Rock and Sting) shortly after. Then they went to Bill Watt's Mid-South (what later turned into UWF). They split up and Hellwig went to Fritz Von Erich's WCCW where he renamed himself The Dingo Warrior, while Sting continued on in UWF. Dingo Warrior then went to the WWF where he became The Ultimate Warrior and Sting stayed in UWF when it was then bought out by Jim Crockett's JCP but called NWA. That particular NWA was then sold to Ted Turner where it became known as WCW.
Sting was part of Mid South Wrestling/UWF when it was bought out by the Crocketts. That is how Sting came to WCW. Sting and Warrior actually started in Mid South as the Bladerunners before Warrior left and went to World Class.
@oldschoolprowrestling2653
Ай бұрын
They started in Memphis-CWA as The Freedom Fighters, then became The Bladerunners, then they went to Mid-South. Dutch Mantel gave them the Blade Runners gimmick in CWA. You basically got it spot on otherwise, just a minor thing.
Here's an idea have Sting on the podcast and book how that match would play out
Happy birthday the Undertaker 💜🎩🕯️⚱️⚰️🪦
Happy birthday Taker
Sting was the face of the WCW more so than anyone else because he never left for WWE. Flair, Luger, Stieners, Austin, Hall, Nash, Pillman, Taker, Arn Anderson, Sid, Benoit, Guerro, etc. All of them left prior to the collapse at one point or another. Sting didn’t. He stayed the entire way through.
@andrewft31
Ай бұрын
Austin was fired… so it isn’t like he left willingly. They saw no money in Nash, Taker, Hall, Guerrero or Benoit. Flair they fired also because he refused to be turned into Spartacus and cut his hair.
Takers set changes every month 😂
@ECWWF
Ай бұрын
Next month he’ll be in a funeral parlor 😂
@DG_Raizen
Ай бұрын
@@ECWWF Screw it. Bring back the original 90-92 Funeral Parlor!
@knightshousegames
Ай бұрын
He always knew how to reinvent himself
@akash_rupa
Ай бұрын
followed by the boiler room@@ECWWF
Closest to a match with Sting Vs Undertaker is in a WWE game that has Sting
Hey I think you should have STING on the show. Now that would be so cool.
We’re never getting the match, but it’s never to late for an in-ring stare down at Mania. The pop would be insane.
@markfroman738
Ай бұрын
“one more match! One more match! One more match!” 🤣
@beenontopdraftpick
Ай бұрын
@@markfroman738 right lmao 😂😂
I'll never get over this match never happening, biggest missed opportunity ever. That said, can you please bring Sting on the show?
What my mind's eye sees, what my heart feels, my body wants no parts of😂😂😂 spoken like a true OG! I feel u taker.✊🏽
Sting wrestled in Mid-South Wrestling with Rock (Ultimate Warrior) as the Blade Runners in 1986-1987. He was also with Eddie Gilbert’s stable as a tag-team with Rick Steiner in Mid-South Wrestling. He then wrestled in NWA in 1987 when NWA merged with Mid-South Wrestling, which later became WCW.
Thank you for everything you have done
GET STING ON YOUR PODCAST MARK !
It sucks that Sting didn't make the jump to WWE a lot earlier, but that's a wrap. it is what it is, and that's on him. I think they both had insanely long peaks for their careers which is impressive given their ages. I agree if it happened around 2009 or 2010 the match would've been better received by the general public. I'm pretty sure a lot of people wanted to see it happen just for the story they could have put on with both their gimmicks even if the match wasn't a 5 star masterpiece. Undertaker/Sting is still my 1 dream match. I think a feud/match with these two in their primes would have been the most entertaining match ever. But I'm so biased cause I love both guys. Don't mind me
@girlytomboyx
Ай бұрын
To be fair, if Sting did jump to WWE earlier than he did, he would get burnt like other WCW stars that moved to WWE, cus Vince want to make WCW lose and that WWE is better than WCW stars. Vince proved that by burying Sting for HHH's unneeded win at Wrestlemania. I think Sting made a right call to NOT join WWE post-Invasion era.
@Heller103085
Ай бұрын
ALMOST had him in 2002 at wrestlemania 18…they were gonna do sting vs angle but didnt happen at the 11th hour
Mark, I'm not sure if you remember but you had a match with Sting before you were The Undertaker back as Mean Mark in WCW. Do you have any memories of working with Sting when he was still Surfer/The Franchise of WCW?
Versions of Sting: Surfer sting is what everyone calls the Malibu sting 😉 Crow sting is the nWo war sting which had a few versions of the facepaint but it’s predominately black and white Wolpac sting is the red n black TNA saw the Joker sting where he played a crazy lost his mind sociopath kinda evolution…
Lets get a show with the Underfaker and Ted Dibiase ! Would love to hear how all that went down from each others perspectives
@gothard5
Ай бұрын
His name is Primetime Brian Lee and I don’t think he is alive anymore
He had such an amazing stellar career at least we got to see the two of you wrestle in WCW i'll take that as a feather in one's cap thank you Mark & Steve you're both icons & legends. 👏
Two Words: Cinematic Match!
@KentaObscuro
Ай бұрын
No
@gothard5
Ай бұрын
absolutely not. I hated those matches.
Sting coming down from the ceiling is one of the best things in all Pro Wrestling. He always thanked Scott Hall for coming up with the Crow gimmick.
Sting and Dingo Warrior!!! Texas wresting in the late 80's!! I'm glad that you remembered thst.
Sting and Taker had some of the best long careers. They stayed good for so long
I've seen sting at 3 different house shows in the late 90s during his crow era
Happy Birthday My Favourite The Undertaker 🎉🎉🎉 I hope you show up at Mania!
Sting and Undertaker are my all time favorites. As much as I would've loved to see that match the only real satisfactory ending to it would have to be a draw with mutual respect and admiration (and probably some form of "supernatural" air to it using rafters, under ring/facility passages etc for each at a couple points during the match).
A face to face in the royal rumble is really all we need. It would be easy for both guys. Its not so much the match people want but the story they could create.
Sting had to change his facepaint with the Crow character in the beginning. James O'barr,creator of the Crow told him..man, this is my character your doing yourself up like. Steve didn't have to do a lot,but he did have to tweak the paint
Sting and Warrior actually got their start tagging in Mid-South Championship Wrestling, as Rock and Flash managed by Hot Stuff Eddie Gilbert, not in Dallas' WCCW where Taker got his start. Flash's name actually was changed to Sting shortly thereafter, for whatever reason (D.C. comics copyrights maybe?) Warrior left after about a year stint in the company and bolted for Dallas where he took on the moniker of the Dingo Warrior, around the time that Taker was breaking into the business, in Dallas, as the Punisher.
Sting's career I got to see from his intro into the NWA back in the late 80s. It was phenomenal without having to be a major player in the WWE. Who else can make that claim to fame? Undertaker one of the all time greats as well. I got to see his matches when he started in Texas as Mark Callaway on a Georgia wrestling tv program that aired every Saturday night for about 6 hours going through different promotions. The presenters were Uncle Sammy, a blondes gal and Joe something (an overweight fella). Those were the early good ole tv wrestling days.
So interesting that Taker was kayfabe forever and now doing interviews! I appreciate it but it still feeks a bit odd.
The ultimate dream match: Sting vs the Undertaker in a... thumb wrestling match. Someone PLEASE make this happen.
I would love to see Sting as a guest on this show. I would watch that entire episode
Nice to see the 2001 badass Taker throwback :D
Sting and Undertaker I wouldn't mind being a pre-recorded cinema match. I need something with those two.
It would of been build up to a match that we would remember forever. The most iconic gimmick match i believe we would have seen in our lifetimes.
The one visual from the buildup to the match I always wanted to see, even more than the match itself, is all of Undertaker's druids out there, and then they pull their hoods down and they are all Stings.
Sting confronts Undertaker after Bray Wyatt match at "31" WWE JUDGMENT DAY Sting vs Undertaker WWE SURVIVOR SERIES 2015 Undertaker vs Sting WWE WRESTLEMANIA "32" HELL IN A CELL Stinger vs Undertaker WWE RAW GM Shane McMahon as referee
The WWE acknowledge stings retirement match was from triple h. Vince would never do that.
I'd love to see Taker in an on screen role similar but different to a manager. Toss a couple chokeslams here and there. Pair him w/ a supernatural performer to give them legitimacy. I just love seeing Mark, doesnt matter how physical he gets.
He did wrestling Sting. When he was in the WCW.😊
And chokeslam he did 💪🙌
Sting vs Taker would have been great in the late 90s. We'll never get to see it unfortunately but those two on a podcast together would be a great consolation.
Hey Mr. Undertaker! Happy early birthday to you. I was just wondering what your experience with your trainer Don Jardine was like? Thank you for your time and talents.
Would have loved a Sting/Taker Tag Team Run more than a straight 1 v 1 storyline
¡Gracias!
The incredible amount of respect Taker has for Sting is evident in how he's speaking of him and his career. It's also refreshing to see how apolitical he is when it comes to companies too. The man respects talent wherever it's found.
Sting started off in Memphis, TN.
If HHH was in charge in 2014, we woulda had Sting V Undertaker at Wrestlemania 31 or Summerslam 2015.
sting with the creation of sting at times he was even bigger than the undertaker so well done for him allways the best sting
All honesty I grew up in Texas so WCW was the thing down south. Then WWF made it down eventually but I loved WCW over WWF for long time until it blew up with stone cold and the rock. HHH. DX! Etc. Definitely best era of wrestling without a doubt.
That Match would have been epic. Even as a cinematic graveyard match or boiler room brawl on Netflix is still possible 😁😁😁
Vince dropped the WCW ball HARRD. He did them dirty
Sting and undertaker would have been one of the greatest matches ever.
@gothard5
Ай бұрын
not a chance
@katatonikone6232
Ай бұрын
@@gothard5 why? They are two legends in the business and they should of had a match. It's one of the biggest what ifs in wrestling. Both have iconic entrances, both have iconic moves. How could you say that these two gentlemen wouldn't have put on one of the great all time matches when they are already apart of all time classics separately?
Even as far back as can remember around the 2001-2002 time period, I was hoping to see Sting Vs Taker when WWF purchased WCW, but at this point in history, we will never know.
Mark is spot on. The Taker/Sting match would have been legendary when Sting was in TNA. By the time he got to WWE, they were both on the downhill. They could have drawn, but neither would have been happy with it.
I can't wait to see Sting again and see if he'll sign my upgraded championship belt in October I'll be sure to film it
would love to see sting or any other old school wrestler of your choice as a guest on this podcast
He gives really good interviews, I'm surprised The Undertaker doesn't do acting in movies or TV shows.
The icon
According to Sting, Taker didn't sound interested when Sting brought it up in a conversation they had. Of course, if anyone could motivate Taker into doing *something* with Sting, it was Vince, but I think it's apparent why he didn't.
Taker vs. Sting is still my ultimate wrestling dream match, it’s a shame that there were multiple times to do it but Vince wouldn’t pull the trigger
The Undertaker can say whatever he wants and no one can check him
Do a cinematic match with Sting!
Thinking about it now having bray in a new ministry angle then him fighting taker at wrestlemania if to.d well he could have won or lost and still moved up kind of how Austin still moved up after losing to Bret Hart, my opinion at least.
1997 Sting vs 1998 Taker would have been freaking phenomenal!!
I wish WWE would release Mark's and Sting's match against each other on the Network which was never televised in WCW when Mark was Mean Mark which Mark could mention about it.
It would be off the charts awesome if Taker and Sting did a WrestleMania match. Not even announced, no press release, kept under wraps so tight nobody knows. They just show up out of the blue and put on a match
Can you imagine the build up to sting vs taker how many months that could have simmered for. I’m shocked Vince didn’t see the dollar signs and make a win each then a draw or something or even have taker go over
Are we going to forget Sting didn’t go to the WWE because a comment the rock made? If sting wanted the match he wouldn’t have been in TNA with Jeff Hardy high in the ring
I love when Taker acts like AEW is little brother and doesn’t mention their wrestlers and acts like he hates Indy wrestling but in reality he’s a huge fan.
@Dr_V_von_Doom
17 күн бұрын
Aew is for smelly marks who love joshis.
There are two specific dream matches/angles that I ALWAYS go over in my head(booking, promotional materials, match, finish). One is Eddie Guerrero vs Shawn Michaels at 'Mania and the other is 'Taker vs Sting at 'Mania. To me, those two specifically had potential to be all time 'Mania classics up there with Hogan vs Andre or Austin vs Rock. To me that's something great about the video games meaning they can give you a bit of an idea of what could have been.
We need one last taker run
I grew up on TNA sting I had no clue he was in WWE before
Dream Sting Vs Taker from 90s omggggggg
Sting as a guest kind sir
JOKER sting in tna was one of his best characters
At WrestleMania 40 The Undertaker make an appearance with his entrance as he gets in the ring the light go out then the light come on Sting in the ring comes out of nowhere!! right in the middle of the ring Taker and Sting are staring at each other 😂 I know there both retired but it would be a cool a WrestleMania moment even though it won't happen