I can’t wait to see this game thrive and even get to tournaments like EVO! It’s been too long since a platform fighter has been at there.

@jon630

7 ай бұрын

We're a long way from getting it into Evo. Slots are more contested than ever. But it's definitely possible. I could see it eventually beating out something like Melty Blood or KoF if it really gets the Smash community's support. Going to need support from both sides of the scene.

@mikepower8999

6 ай бұрын

There is no way this furry game is going to out shime smash. not in this life time. shit music, bland character designs, and derivative gameplay.

@meister4597

6 ай бұрын

@@jon630 it's not beating out KoF. SNK presence is basically always at EVO. KoF is too huge in Asia and Mexico for them to exclude it on one of the biggest competitive global stages.

@jon630

6 ай бұрын

@@meister4597 wasn't KoF already knocked off finals day last year? If a game is bigger than some of the main stage games, I think it's in the conversation to overtake them. But like I said, pretty improbable for an indie game to get that big.

@meister4597

6 ай бұрын

@@jon630 no? It was there and had its finals take place on mainstage

The fact that there is needle boosting in Rivals 2 is actually blowing my mind, most of the avid melee players didn’t know about it until like two weeks ago

@HelpfulArtifact

6 ай бұрын

It’s tech that existed in rivals 1 since forever actually

Fully agree with your opinion, coming from an ultimate player's pov

@heyitsmort7744

7 ай бұрын

Same. CAN’T WAIT!

Game looks mad sick. Looking forward to it

I'm so ready for this game. I'm a Rivals player, started with the Smash series, but I love to see the big smash creators in shock on how much love was put into this game. Rivals is gonna have such an amazing competitive scene

19:47 that soul read was fucking nuts

honestly can't wait for this game. this looks *very* promising.

This could be so great for the smash scene. Truly exciting

13:35 - 14:59 Leffen's discovery leading to the dev response(and Leffen's own reaction) in the last 10 seconds of this segment is fun (I have no idea if the dev meant b4 14:18 or one of the aspects of the floating part after)

Dedicated Rivals player here, people have been saying "Smash FINALLY has a competitor" about every new platform foghter for decades. Melee is still here. Melee is not going away. Rivals 2 is also going to be sick and I'm gonna play loads of it, but it's not gonna replace Melee.

I have been happy for it for a while & glad your into it too.

Man I've been a fan of yours for many years and it would be awesome to see you at the top when this game drops.

Already backed it. Cool to see you're into this game too.

something i'm both interested in AND weary about (and i think other melee players should be weary about too) is what the patch culture is going to be like. if a lot of melee players do end up picking up this game seriously, which i hope they do, this will be something new for us. i mean i trust dan but i'm very curious, nowadays games don't finish even when they have a release, especially fighting games.

@tasty4644

7 ай бұрын

Really good insight, this is what's going to decide its success in my opinion.

@frifripsychic5890

7 ай бұрын

What’s patch culture??

@hihatsnarebear

7 ай бұрын

Like what happened to cyberpunk

@_WiZ420

7 ай бұрын

Keep in mind, Rivals 1 had a patch culture. And from what I know, it had impacts like all of them did, but it is definitely not talked about anywhere near as much as the rest. We are probably okay, but I do agree with you. We need to be careful, because nerfology on top of a potential broken DLC will kill a game

@fritothedemon6647

7 ай бұрын

I trust that this game won't be ruined by patch culture but the first rivals got seriously dampened by dlc characters i think so that's the more realistic problem imo

Does anyone know how tech frame data vs input delay is? Will there be reacting to techs?

I really hope this game succeeds melee. Smash in general tbh, it looks so good. I hope there's a cloud like character archetype eventually tho. I just need a meaty back air to swing around mindlessely i mean skillfully

@anonwalkerr

7 ай бұрын

All we need now is someone to make a better gamecube controller. Hoping panda can sell those patents to someone who will make good use of them.

@readyplayerthree3

6 ай бұрын

For the most part Rivals has had mostly non-swordies, but Forsburn (who's not in 2 atm) has a meaty as HELL knife back air. It's not as fast as Cloud's, but if the hit sounds are anywhere as good as in Rivals 1 it's gonna be great.

@Kringlet

3 ай бұрын

It won’t surpass smash but no doubt it’s gonna be great

Okay this actually looks good. I'm convinced

Always loved seeing Rivals 1 but never got it because I thought it was too late to get into. This is perfect for me, just pledged.

Looks fun! I hope it is able to get players that aren't just from the melee community

Looks like a game that is not just trying to be a smash/melee clone which is where most of these platform fighters alter, in addition to the dropoff in quality from smash. Looks so good.

I've played a bit of the first rivals, I loved the art style and feel of that game. That community is so good it's hard to start playing it but I'm so excited to try this game I backed it day 2.

@khariperkins4243

6 ай бұрын

There are start communities.

Looks great!

Watching you, mango and zain play after the ludwig event last night was honestly so nice. Idk how to describe it, but such genuine joy

Trying to hear it but are you still on the smashbox/hitbox here or gc controller?

will it have cape physics like marth from melee?

The game having shield will be really good, I think the decision to have parry in place of shield in rivals 1 was terrible and that is the thing that pretty much killed the game for me

I am hyped for this game. But tbh i think NASB2 has some good elements and stuff into the game also for looking for something else

i think most smash clones have tried to replicate melee or pm, but rivals took a step back and focused in fewer mechanics kinda looked at 64, tried to build a good basae both in game and followers and now its paying off

"they really captured the FEEL (pain) of melee"

what controller are you using?

Looks cool

I think this game is gonna be huge and I’m hype to play but I do worry I won’t be as invested in it as much as melee because I enjoy how hard melee execution is.

@omarg2079

7 ай бұрын

From this video, it seems to me that universal mechanics are easy, but character specific tech can sometimes be significantly harder.

@KKJazz

7 ай бұрын

@@omarg2079_yes_

@Jeff_189

6 ай бұрын

​@@omarg2079fs a lot more depth

Is it possible to play it now? The kickstarter says we get access to the game on release

@HyperFreak89

7 ай бұрын

if you supported the kickstarter, then you get access to the early betas next year. Outside of that, only a select few are able to play it to generate hype and awareness for the game.

I sure hope they start to import the best versions of all smash characters into this sequel!

i feel like there isn’t a single platform fighter player that wouldn’t want to play this 😅

it wont have competition when they just have 6 charakters, or will there be more on release?

The way Rivals 2 has been marketed is honestly perfect. From the videos I’ve seen from Rivals’ KZread channel, they just want to make a cool game with a lot of focus on community. It’s also clear that they’re taking inspiration from smash while still improving on their formula, all while not throwing needless shade at Smash. That was one of the main issues I had with NASB and Multiversus’ marketing. Yes smash has problems, but there’s honestly no reason to throw shade at the game in an effort to promote your own. It feels a bit childish and made discussions about those game needlessly toxic since people were drawing comparisons rather than let the games coexist.

So glad they added ledge and shields that was my biggest turn offs from 1

This looks incredible

19:52 i'm not even a platform fighters player but i now a godlike read when i see one !

Imagine if part 2 improves upon itself to the same degree that melee improved from smash 64. I’m Optimistic for this game.

This game looks amazing for alpha

I can tell he must be using that arcade pad your loves so much.

My 2 main from rivals of aethers are not returning to rivals 2 😢

Sir, the million mark has just been hit

NASB 2 is very Ultimate-esque

I liked the more slow pace and with not so many input gameplay of ultimate so I'm not sure this is for me but maybe it will be interesting for melee fans ? or maybe not...

Combo Devils is definitely on top of that game!

I have a feeling leffen is gonna be the best at this game

Leff has such a chad chin at the angle of the thumbnail gdamn

Idk how to really phrase it, the big thing that turns me off of alot of these games is just how floaty and delayed a lot of the air movement and impacts between characters feel. I can't tell if its just an art style thing compared to melee, but it just makes a lot of interaction look so much less natural and smooth

@HyperFreak89

7 ай бұрын

Prob the art style, but rivals one had amazing feeling hits. Plus, the game being currently showcased is in alpha. A lot will change in the next year.

Just backed it ;)

ranno has crouch into super jump

I really hope we can find something that can get us out of Nintendo's tyranny. As much as I love Nintendo's characters and stories, I think the regulations just feels like some tiger parenting shit and I think the Melee community doesn't deserve any of that. As in regards to this game, I think the potential is huge. I just think the devs need to be careful with overpatching the game to fix bugs after the release because it can make the community very frustrated. I would highly suggest investing in more character design and add background stories just so people create a deeper connection to the characters like how Nintendo does. Also having unique set of characters that is ever growing like how League of Legend does. It's obviously all my personal opinion as a consumer and having experience working with marketing branding. Nonetheless I'm excited for it.

bro i play world of warcraft and i wanna play this

Based leffen opinion. I backed this game as soon as I could.

Def picking up the frog

Smash bros is based off a kids game called King of the Mountain. You try to shove each other off a bench or something high and whoever wins is king of the mountain

Thanks for reminding me that i need to give them my $50. Game looks sick. Even if nintendo releases a new smash I know I'm gonna be playing this because i already like rivals and don't want to be tied to their stupid ass rules and ridiculous dev support. Thanks aether team ❤

Combo Devils too

When another character randomly has a more broken float than the float character--hmm...

I hope they bring clairen back, was my favourite character by far

I need a swordie

@congaheli4231

7 ай бұрын

one is in development, her name is clairen and she has tipper mechanics. she was in 1 and they're bringing all rivals 1 character to 2.

@AziDoesQuestionableThings

7 ай бұрын

clairen is on the way

ghetto greninja vs ghetto incenroar

Will it be crosplay?

@HyperFreak89

7 ай бұрын

yes, when it comes out on the other consoles. But for now, itll only launch on PC

I hope the devs arent patch aggressive with this. Games metas get so much more interesting and developed when they have time to marinate. Unless something is clearly gamebreaking, let the game evolve naturally. Like instead of nerfing a character, let it be top tier and eventually people will figure out counterplay

@kylespevak6781

7 ай бұрын

This. Plus everyone always thinks stuff their unfamiliar with is broken. Lil Mac and every DLC character has been called broken

@YangyChaddyDad

6 ай бұрын

Considering the character power in rivals one I wouldn't worry too much about that

*Just wait till he learns about hit falling*

@HyperFreak89

7 ай бұрын

he already did, he says its broken af

I'm so happy to see you praising this game leffen. Iirc you didn't seem to enjoy rivals 1 much, so i was afraid you were gonna hate on this one and affect their funding 😭

@GS_CCC

7 ай бұрын

Well the second one looks like it will be good, tried the first one and really wasn't a fan of the lack of shield etc.

its almost like nintendo could've built this 10 years ago lmao

what is dackus?? 3:57

@Frank-bn9us

6 ай бұрын

Dash attack canceled up smash

@tapedpopsicle

6 ай бұрын

@@Frank-bn9us Tyvm!

btw riot games was gathering feedback for multiversus last year. they might be looking to create a platform fighter eventually

Rivals of Aether is the only Smashlike game that I've ever enjoyed but I enjoyed it because of a lot of the things it did differently from Smash. I wanna see this game do well but I have to admit I'm not really interested in seeing that they're adding ledges, shields, and basically Smashifying the series more than before. Being too much like Smash and trying to make Melee 2 has been a big issue for Smashlikes imo.

@HyperFreak89

7 ай бұрын

What makes rivals unique is their take on character design. The lack of shields/ledges and grabs in the first game was mainly a happy accident, a result of genuinely not knowing how to implement it in gamemaker studios. But this was the original goal from the get go. The character design and making melee a bit more accessible was always Dan's main focus.

Rare leffen W

remember when this guy only became the top melee player because all the melee gods retired to start families

@thuroria7631

7 ай бұрын

He's been a top melee player for like 10 years?

it sounds like left and didn't play rivals 1

@HyperFreak89

7 ай бұрын

he tried it for a bit, but didnt like it cuz of the lack of shield, ledges and such

algorithm

So melee is basically dead fr this time right?

@ursamajor4684

7 ай бұрын

no lol. try and tell my local scene to stop playing melee bc rivals 2 is coming out

@andipfeife476

7 ай бұрын

melee is immortal

@Rez_97

7 ай бұрын

@@ursamajor4684 bro I love melee. I live in Chicago and it’s not easy to go to locals. It’s WW2 on the way there 😂 I’m just saying cause i haven’t seen any big majors happening lately

Nah they gotta patch that out LOOOL Some Rivals players are known for just camping hella when it's the most optimal

@yumbream

7 ай бұрын

patch what out?

@p0kepanda462

7 ай бұрын

Ranno's down special tech I'm guessing

Cappin

I like everything except the graphics

Is it just me or does the shield break animation look horribly out of place in such a fast game? It looks like they are suddenly in moon gravity. Why do they go so high and fall sooooo slowly

@HyperFreak89

7 ай бұрын

Cuz they can quickly recover when they touch the ground. Shield break stun doesnt exist here. You break it and you get to punish. Otherwise once the opponent touches ground, they can roll away or getup attack.

@kyle88740

7 ай бұрын

@@HyperFreak89 that makes sense, thanks

Monkey... we do not care

If Competetive Smash dies via Rivals of Aether... Then Nintendo wins LOL

@HyperFreak89

7 ай бұрын

good

ref

Leffen is so cute

19:50 is DISGUSTING

Good they updated the graphics. I didnt like the pixels in the first game.

Also leffen: he prefers melee over rivals even if its good and dont care about other platform fighter games

it's like everyone wwas able to do crazy shit it doesnt require any skill to play like good player in this game ..

@SSJPENGUIN

7 ай бұрын

Project M is more forgiving input-wise than melee but it's still wild to play

Its been over 20 fucking years since melee can people stop talking about platform fighters by comparing to other games and speak on their own merits? No one fucking boots up kof 15 and says shit like "oh its almost as good as 3rd strike"

@thuroria7631

7 ай бұрын

Melee is a pretty unique gaming experience that hasn't been replicated since.

This game is already dead lmao

First

@Chr1sT0fu

7 ай бұрын

bro said first then liked his own comment 💀

lol competition....you mean a clone. They're also missing the one crucial aspect that nintendo has, you may be too young to know lol

@bugliker1

7 ай бұрын

They're missing bad netcode? yeah I agree

@tehrik0020

7 ай бұрын

Nintendo's only crucial aspect is the fanservice because Rivals has original characters instead of a mash of characters from other franchises, that and the Rivals team lacks the budget Nintendo has for marketing, but in terms of quality they literally got nothing. Rivals 2 is more accessible than Rivals 1 for new players, but it's still specifically catered to a niche of people rather than being marketed to the great public like Smash is.

@tehrik0020

7 ай бұрын

Nintendo's only crucial aspect is the fanservice because Rivals has original characters instead of a mash of characters from other franchises, that and the Rivals team lacks the budget Nintendo has for marketing, but in terms of quality they literally got nothing. Rivals 2 is more accessible than Rivals 1 for new players, but it's still specifically catered to a niche of people rather than being marketed to the great public like Smash is.

We are still here supporting hax$. Deflecting these allegations can only go on for so long. You even used coming out to distract ppl

@weevie_stilfat

5 ай бұрын

What did leffen do this time?

@rundownnnn

26 күн бұрын

what happened

Looks great but the character design is so bland. it's either a serious lion or a serious frog or a serious polar bear or a serious beetle. like where are the personalities? No character speaks to me. Its like watching DBZ but all characters are vegeta.

Looks LAME asf hahaha

@kingintox5743

7 ай бұрын

Well you’re in the minority. It’s incredibly popular and has raised a metric ass ton of money

@tnnsboy18

7 ай бұрын

@@kingintox5743 oh yeahhh? i bet your really good at Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl, hahaha... lameeeee! Go sit down boomer, and go back to Myspace

@SSJPENGUIN

7 ай бұрын

What do you think looks poor about it?

@tnnsboy18

7 ай бұрын

yes@@SSJPENGUIN

looks awful

@kingintox5743

7 ай бұрын

Well you’re in the minority. It’s incredibly popular and has raised a metric ass ton of money

@SSJPENGUIN

7 ай бұрын

Is there anything you dislike in particular?

@Frank-bn9us

6 ай бұрын

Graphically? Mechanically?

A game to play to get away from nintendo is gonna be so good

6 characters to choose from? Wow, watch out smash! Keep on melee'ing please.

@tehrik0020

7 ай бұрын

The game has not even been released, the build so far is experimental and limited in access. Next time instead of being a smartass inform yourself on what you're talking about, you'll avoid stupid comments like this one you just did.

@JGinger9763

6 ай бұрын

i think there’s gonna be 10 on launch due to the kickstarter

@Professor_Utonium_

Ай бұрын

Competitive Melee has just as many picks, man 😂