Secrets of the Ledge: An Advanced Guide to TAS Ledgedash Inputs in SSBM

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  • @daladex
    @daladex4 жыл бұрын

    every fox is about to come out of quarantine with 16 galint ledgedashes

  • @jchunter21
    @jchunter214 жыл бұрын

    Hax do be lecturing people about this in public restrooms

  • @Faulheit
    @Faulheit4 жыл бұрын

    can we talk about the production quality tho? its impressive how well hax writes scripts

  • @Faulheit

    @Faulheit

    4 жыл бұрын

    @itz_me truee

  • @Zonda1996

    @Zonda1996

    4 жыл бұрын

    Mans has been writing thesis’ on melee for a decade, so no surprise his script is so eloquent.

  • @shoutxv

    @shoutxv

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah he should write porn

  • @plaguedfrost1753

    @plaguedfrost1753

    4 жыл бұрын

    alhl ioa Yeah bitch, you like that JV5!

  • @juliosnap

    @juliosnap

    3 жыл бұрын

    Except he mispronounces "airborne" as "airBORNE"

  • @RB92.
    @RB92.4 жыл бұрын

    i cant believe that hax saved melee again

  • @michaelcastelpoggi1735
    @michaelcastelpoggi17354 жыл бұрын

    This feeds a deep hunger for learning intricate things about melee. The year really is 2020

  • @shoutxv

    @shoutxv

    4 жыл бұрын

    Negative reply

  • @MarcoDToon

    @MarcoDToon

    4 жыл бұрын

    But soon it will be 20FF

  • @JasonPegis
    @JasonPegis4 жыл бұрын

    “Hey Hax$, what are you going to do during the pandemic?” His gaze rises from the CRT into the enigmatic void of this thoughts and understanding of decades of complex mechanics. He turns his head slightly to acknowledge your presence and declares, “Something that needs to be done.”

  • @IntySSBM
    @IntySSBM4 жыл бұрын

    As Aziz was explaining how it's easier to ledgedash on BF than FD, I could literally feel my ledgedash muscle memory between the two stages, and realized I've been compensating with an appropriate stick angle all this time without consciously choosing to do so. Fucking godlike video.

  • @joeschmoe4376
    @joeschmoe43764 жыл бұрын

    18 minute video on ledgedashing, papa bless

  • @sdw-hv5ko
    @sdw-hv5ko4 жыл бұрын

    But before we can discuss optimal ECB selection, we need to talk about parallel universes

  • @Harry-McKenzie

    @Harry-McKenzie

    4 жыл бұрын

    here you go kzread.info/dash/bejne/mZOuqtmEpsfPitY.html

  • @sdw-hv5ko

    @sdw-hv5ko

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Harry-McKenzie lmao love the vsauce reference

  • @shoutxv

    @shoutxv

    4 жыл бұрын

    Right I keep switching dimensions where the timings are different

  • @Yamulo

    @Yamulo

    4 жыл бұрын

    Is this a reference to the 1/2 a press m64 video?

  • @sdw-hv5ko

    @sdw-hv5ko

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Yamulo yah

  • @kilroy89
    @kilroy894 жыл бұрын

    Reminds me of that video M2K talks about ledgedashing. He mentioned that its often easier to ledge dash after regrabing ledge first, but didnt explain why. That ECB stuff is nuts. I remember someone made. Video recently about Cpt falcon various colors having different ECB values

  • @benjensen7251

    @benjensen7251

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I remember that! Melee is nuts lol. It was AsumSaus's "High Tier Oddities" in case anyone is curious: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gZOt25uyYpjWf6g.html

  • @saatvikpalli7958
    @saatvikpalli79584 жыл бұрын

    It's insane, even after almost 20 years, that we're still finding more.

  • @charlona8173

    @charlona8173

    4 жыл бұрын

    This has been known for some years now, that’s why most top fox players refresh their Ecb on the ledge before ledgedashing ;)

  • @trilokshahi9361
    @trilokshahi93614 жыл бұрын

    I remember getting this lecture in person lmao.

  • @pippincovington1348

    @pippincovington1348

    4 жыл бұрын

    How did u hide your erection?

  • @Nitro1396

    @Nitro1396

    4 жыл бұрын

    Pippin Covington He was supposed to hide it???

  • @turndownforwalt
    @turndownforwalt4 жыл бұрын

    This is very good content

  • @23kl104
    @23kl1044 жыл бұрын

    I don't even play melee.. but I love hearing a nerd talk thoroughly about his investigations

  • @Project1182

    @Project1182

    4 жыл бұрын

    If you even have the slightest bit of interest in playing this game go for it. I just started playing like a year ago and it's everything i thought it would be. Wish i started sooner.

  • @shoutxv

    @shoutxv

    4 жыл бұрын

    This is beyond little you and I my small friend this is greater than all of us and now that you're in theirs no going back

  • @23kl104

    @23kl104

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Project1182 I do, however for the moment I enjoy just being a spectator :)

  • @Rael0505

    @Rael0505

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Project1182 I started a year ago too. It's amazing how much I've learned in one year! Set up netplay and play people!

  • @NastyKugogo

    @NastyKugogo

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Project1182 right now learnong melee is a lot easier and faster

  • @GimR
    @GimR4 жыл бұрын

    This video is sick!

  • @kneo12
    @kneo125 ай бұрын

    No matter what happens to you and your ability to play in tournament these contruibutions and videos will always be greatly appreciated. So focus on this kind of contact and just forget Leffen even exists.

  • @EvilApple567
    @EvilApple5674 жыл бұрын

    The pacing in this is better than previous vids, thanks for apparently taking feedback on that. Also just a side note: if you use back to drop from ledge for ledgedashes with Fox and are trying to get your best ECB with double jump to ledge, on FD if you use a full back input you'll get a Doraki walljump and probably die.

  • @herbmaaster
    @herbmaaster4 жыл бұрын

    man where's your running playlist? i remember listening to it on a car ride, it had sonic adventure 2 battle tracks on there, so sick

  • @thomaskeyser294
    @thomaskeyser2944 жыл бұрын

    I wish anyone and everyone who thinks melee is a "joke" of a fighting game would watch videos like this to see how hard melee players work and optimize their game, and see how intricate it really is

  • @dbdabomba
    @dbdabomba4 жыл бұрын

    Hey just a heads up you’ll probably want to EQ your vocal audio to lower the high end frequencies, since they’re pretty noticeable. In particular, your “s” and “t” sounds are really loud. Great video otherwise keep up the good work!

  • @mjl167

    @mjl167

    4 жыл бұрын

    agreed. itd be easy to do with audacity. Hax has big nuts you can tell by his voice

  • @bobabonanza9488
    @bobabonanza94884 жыл бұрын

    this is what he does during the lockdown

  • @Rom0.5
    @Rom0.54 жыл бұрын

    I love how Melee competition is so similar to speedrunning in its mindset. The idea of using this in a 1v1 is actually nuts, we tend to forget it as we are almost used to that kind of dedication and incredible level from the players but man that's incredible. Great content, I'm blown away by the quality of your content.

  • @DelayedLaunch
    @DelayedLaunch5 ай бұрын

    I gotta give this video credit. I could not ledgedash with Fox whatsoever-- but after watching this video, and a week or so of practice, I’ve been utilizing GALINT consistently in real matches and it feels so good.

  • @jehutyinp
    @jehutyinp4 жыл бұрын

    extremely descriptive and precise with what your talking about i love it! keep it up

  • @sageosaka
    @sageosaka4 жыл бұрын

    This was an amazingly well put together video

  • @kitkat9716
    @kitkat97164 жыл бұрын

    I love ur content as always Also the production value got better! Damn

  • @drakoz254
    @drakoz2544 жыл бұрын

    This is an unbelievably well-made video. Clear, consise, complete. Keep it up Hax!

  • @kumotx6175
    @kumotx61754 жыл бұрын

    the quality of this video is insane. melee is so sick.

  • @timothydavis5575
    @timothydavis55754 жыл бұрын

    Great video and explanation Hax!

  • @Acryte
    @Acryte4 жыл бұрын

    yo hax what was the peach ledge thing that you banned a specific coordinate for in the b0xx doc?

  • @RkeyNirun
    @RkeyNirun4 жыл бұрын

    What a great video, thank you so much Hax!

  • @jeanetteustin8311
    @jeanetteustin83114 жыл бұрын

    Highly informative - beautiful graphics!

  • @omurcho
    @omurcho3 жыл бұрын

    Not even 8 minutes in and I'm already consistently ledgedashing, how the hell kind sir

  • @thelaw3536
    @thelaw35364 жыл бұрын

    This was fantastic!

  • @Rael0505
    @Rael05054 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Hax!

  • @monkey2619
    @monkey26194 жыл бұрын

    I've watched you SD from the ledge too much to take this video seriously. (JK thank you so much!!)

  • @dmh111
    @dmh1112 жыл бұрын

    11:40 hax calls fox box

  • @srpaz8292
    @srpaz82924 жыл бұрын

    We don't deserve you man, thank you so much. Amazing video.

  • @charliethechevilguy
    @charliethechevilguy4 жыл бұрын

    Hax$ you the gosh darn man and im looking forward to the day when you are best in the world

  • @dontmissthe_elevator
    @dontmissthe_elevator4 жыл бұрын

    This man does not miss

  • @BaconBurgerKing1
    @BaconBurgerKing14 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for this Hax. Armed with this knowledge, I can go 0-2 in bracket with higher GALINT than I ever imagined. In all seriousness the video drastically helped improve my ledgedash consistency and fundamental understanding, and I'm very grateful for that

  • @killaforchicken
    @killaforchicken4 жыл бұрын

    i randomly came across this video and i was like, wow. this guy delivers his content in an extremely concise and easy to understand manner. then i looked at the uploader and i was like, "ohhhhhh, no wonder"

  • @marlcoore
    @marlcoore4 жыл бұрын

    Already subbed. Thank you for the information.

  • @jorgerascon1212
    @jorgerascon12124 жыл бұрын

    Incredible content

  • @scarl2t
    @scarl2t4 жыл бұрын

    I love Hax's voice. I like to rewatch these videos whenever im stressed

  • @Rintse
    @Rintse4 жыл бұрын

    You're a legend my guy

  • @bb97979
    @bb979794 жыл бұрын

    Our prophet changing Melee. One tech at a time

  • @katsukikubota7549
    @katsukikubota75494 жыл бұрын

    Sick vid.

  • @taytertot9382
    @taytertot9382 Жыл бұрын

    Damn I didn’t consider even that tilting down didn’t produce and ff from ledge whereas my full ass smash down is always gonna produce a ff from ledge. Never wanted to learn the away from ledge method. Now I understand much more about my weak ass ledgedashes. Thank you, I’ve got some practicing to do

  • @SL-pt1ib
    @SL-pt1ib4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much, 20XX Fox God

  • @zman4220
    @zman42204 жыл бұрын

    This changes a lot

  • @ethanlassey5795
    @ethanlassey57954 жыл бұрын

    Hax thank you for making this, really informative stuff and I'd hope to see more of it. But my brain is far to small and smooth for this shit

  • @uvsvdu
    @uvsvdu4 жыл бұрын

    did you look into using cstick back to drop from the ledge? it seems like you can get full forward jump trajectory, would that be better? i use claw to do this, gets very deep nairs onto the stage from ledge with falcon.

  • @falcoisaniceguy5191

    @falcoisaniceguy5191

    4 жыл бұрын

    I also use c-stick back

  • @felixdoyon6546

    @felixdoyon6546

    4 жыл бұрын

    uvsvdu i figured it’s AMAZING for scar jumping on yoshis, I get to do my wall jumps extremely high and I keep my double jump for maybe a second aerial or something

  • @DP3mo24hofosho

    @DP3mo24hofosho

    4 жыл бұрын

    I too use claw cstick ledgedashes and was wanting more info on it. I’ve gotten into arguments before with people who think it’s inconsistent/can’t get max galint and I know for a fact max galint is a reality, and as far as consistency goes I feel like it’s very consistent

  • @riverrunsthrough8268

    @riverrunsthrough8268

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@felixdoyon6546 yeah claw lets you get some really nasty and consistent scar jumps

  • @EvilApple567

    @EvilApple567

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@riverrunsthrough8268 I don't see why claw is beneficial for scar jumps. C stick down or away should absolutely be used unless you're going for a fastfall to get very low quickly and catch them by surprise, but all of the inputs until your double jump after the 6(?) inactionable wall jump frames are done with the analog stick which gives you plenty of time to readjust your right thumb from the C stick back to the main buttons.

  • @amara7210
    @amara72103 жыл бұрын

    i always felt like I'd SD more when wavedashing to ledge and immediately ledgedashing versus refreshing invincibility before ledgedashing. looks like it was ECBs. thank you hax$

  • @julianlastname5730
    @julianlastname57304 жыл бұрын

    I cannot believe that people go this deep into this game

  • @TheStrvggler
    @TheStrvggler2 жыл бұрын

    I personally will drop a lot of times with the c-stick, which is a slow fall. That way im already holding in towards stage for my ledgedash. This is less effective with other characters, but I play Ganon so it works well for me.

  • @chobitscs2
    @chobitscs24 жыл бұрын

    love you father

  • @jtobiasthomasrose
    @jtobiasthomasrose4 жыл бұрын

    thanks for the vid. Now I can win all the tournaments.

  • @genuwhine6782
    @genuwhine67823 жыл бұрын

    So its good I learned to ledge dash/practice on yoshis nice

  • @GayTier1Operator
    @GayTier1Operator4 жыл бұрын

    second best infomercial after shamwow

  • @gehteuchnichtsan7911
    @gehteuchnichtsan79114 жыл бұрын

    There will be a time where you can study melee in a e-port university. And this will be relevant course material.

  • @leavethebasket7435
    @leavethebasket74354 жыл бұрын

    You're a god hax

  • @MaZe741
    @MaZe7414 жыл бұрын

    the year is 20xx, mastering melee is harder than a quantum physics degree

  • @matthewsommerfield7681
    @matthewsommerfield76814 жыл бұрын

    wat a legend

  • @peterlund9299
    @peterlund92994 жыл бұрын

    This is quality content. Please do more, Hax Fucking Money.

  • @bigdro5227
    @bigdro52274 жыл бұрын

    Please please please continue with this style of content, you're like Magic Scrumpy but not a tool

  • @tgr3423
    @tgr34234 жыл бұрын

    This game is fucking insane and I love it

  • @hasone3354
    @hasone33544 жыл бұрын

    Who will be the first fox to bust out the 16 GALINT ledgedash in tourney?

  • @poopheadtwenty-seven540
    @poopheadtwenty-seven5404 жыл бұрын

    What about using C-stick back/C-stick down to fall from ledge? You dont fast fall or drift back at all from it.

  • @skyninegaming
    @skyninegaming4 жыл бұрын

    Can Falco use a ledge fall DJ to change his ECB? And if fox presses away immediate DJ FF back to ledge to refresh, can he preserve ECB that way too?

  • @genericdeveloper3966
    @genericdeveloper39664 жыл бұрын

    If I'm going to spend this much energy analyzing something I better get a diploma afterwards.

  • @TdoubleMJ
    @TdoubleMJ4 жыл бұрын

    Please make more!!!!

  • @ConnorRentz
    @ConnorRentz4 жыл бұрын

    Lots of love (and a lot of time for such a quick turnaround) went into this one. Enjoy!

  • @jdog_7599
    @jdog_75994 жыл бұрын

    Powerful voice

  • @ROFL_661
    @ROFL_6614 жыл бұрын

    My right ledge favoring brain got confused by the stick graphs for a second. And then I was like ohhhh it's the left ledge loll

  • @jmarvins
    @jmarvins4 жыл бұрын

    Hax, did you try the different Captain Falcon skins to test whether the modified ECB of each skin affects ledgedash?

  • @pippincovington1348

    @pippincovington1348

    4 жыл бұрын

    He definitely didn't do that

  • @Emperorerror
    @Emperorerror5 ай бұрын

    As I mention in my other comment, I see the first fast fallable frame as being frame 2 of fall (as Falco). If I fast fall on the 3rd frame, I get 5 total frames of fall, whereas if I fast fall on the 2nd, I get 4 total frames. Am I doing something wrong? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what it means to do an input on a frame with frame advance, though. If I say, "I press down on frame 2," to me, that means, "Paused on the 2nd frame of fall, I press down, and advance the frame." Does that mean the input occurs on the third frame?

  • @sonic12344628
    @sonic123446284 жыл бұрын

    20XX haha gotem

  • @Emperorerror
    @Emperorerror5 ай бұрын

    You mention that a fast fall can be buffered 3 frames in advance, but I think I might not understand. I'm using the frame advance in uncle punch right now, and it looks to me like (using Falco) I can fast fall on the second frame of fall, and get 4 frames of fall before catch (compared to 10 not fast falling). Doing it on the 3rd frame of fall results in 5 frames of fall. And if I do it on the first frame of fall, it does not fast fall. So it doesn't seem to me like it can be buffered. EDIT: I realize my misunderstanding. Buffering doesn't mean "only doing the input in previous frames," but rather, "ALSO doing the input in previous frames." If I start holding down in the first frame of fall, or even 2 frames before that while still on the stage, but then keep holding it through the second, it still works.

  • @subpanda101
    @subpanda1014 жыл бұрын

    How would I enable the unclepunch frame viewer? Is it available on 20xx iso?

  • @GustoFormula

    @GustoFormula

    4 жыл бұрын

    UnclePunch refers to Training Mode made by uncle punch and it is its own mod independent of 20XX. smashboards.com/threads/training-mode-v1-1-updated-1-11-19.456449/

  • @n0va25000
    @n0va250004 жыл бұрын

    The only thing that changed is that now, I know exactly why I die. Great content nontheless :^)

  • @andrew9133
    @andrew91334 жыл бұрын

    I can never get enough in-depth melee mechanic analysis. I can only hope that Hax$ will replace Kadano

  • @lilalexq22
    @lilalexq224 жыл бұрын

    If I could like this twice I would

  • @Senski_
    @Senski_4 жыл бұрын

    BIG BRAIN

  • @yelv
    @yelv4 жыл бұрын

    inc

  • @jdog_7599
    @jdog_75994 жыл бұрын

    Green falcon has a larger ECB than neutral falcon. Does this affect anything ledge dashing??? (Please I play green falcon)

  • @prospeedrunner2438
    @prospeedrunner24384 жыл бұрын

    Hax, what angle is the white line at 7:45 ?

  • @wolfewaffles3530
    @wolfewaffles35304 жыл бұрын

    What do u mean by shallow air dodge closer to the right or close to the very bottom?

  • @sel7506

    @sel7506

    3 жыл бұрын

    I've the same problem xD But just type shallow angle on google image

  • @kevinwonnacott5150
    @kevinwonnacott51502 жыл бұрын

    This is why Melee won't die. The players are too dedicated.

  • @E-Brightvoid
    @E-Brightvoid Жыл бұрын

    Forbidden knowledge

  • @averagejoessb3110
    @averagejoessb31104 жыл бұрын

    15:37 omg this part made me lol fr.

  • @Killopotamus

    @Killopotamus

    4 жыл бұрын

    CTG_AverageJoe 11 characters baybee

  • @zipar3132

    @zipar3132

    4 жыл бұрын

    The others simply don't exist.

  • @pippincovington1348

    @pippincovington1348

    4 жыл бұрын

    Lol yeah shout out to everyone who mains a non-existent character 😂 mid and low tier mains rise up 😤✊

  • @zeke547
    @zeke5473 жыл бұрын

    Does up b stall reset ecb?

  • @Chrisuan
    @Chrisuan4 жыл бұрын

    2/10, didn't talk about Parallel Universes JK, incredibly well-done video! Keep it up

  • @heterodoxagnostic8070
    @heterodoxagnostic80702 ай бұрын

    could you make a video on No Impact Lands?

  • @ShiftingShadows28
    @ShiftingShadows284 жыл бұрын

    I would be interested in an aerial interrupt video :D (falcon main)

  • @sharsasuke01
    @sharsasuke014 жыл бұрын

    Hax has a voice for radio.

  • @n0lain
    @n0lain3 жыл бұрын

    Does firefox stalling guarantee a good ECB?

  • @eddygecko3184
    @eddygecko31844 жыл бұрын

    Hey hax ur handsome

  • @riseofkings4830
    @riseofkings48304 жыл бұрын

    Welcome to Melee University

  • @williamwilliam4944
    @williamwilliam49444 жыл бұрын

    This game's skill ceiling is ridiculously high.

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