The Strangest State in SSBM
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In SSBM, the knockdown state has several hidden rules and properties. By knowing about them, you can not only maximize your punishes against knocked down opponents, but also take advantage of a never-before-seen advanced technique.
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I would've thought the strangest state in Melee would be North Carolina, but this makes more sense.
@swishing5568
4 жыл бұрын
ROFL this made me laugh kinda hard
@clemmm.
4 жыл бұрын
lmaooo
@dcscorch969
4 жыл бұрын
could someone explain the joke?
@siggycertified
4 жыл бұрын
The sky is blue.
@calvino6949
4 жыл бұрын
@@dcscorch969 It's where they stack it up.
Shoutouts to all my low level players who didn't really learn anything to implement from this video
@christopheraustin1173
4 жыл бұрын
There is so much knowledge here, and so little ability to implement it in any meaningful way.
@TPBvirus
4 жыл бұрын
I mean you should've at least learned how knockdown works, so you can then work from there to figure out things like tech chases or punishes. As well as learning the inner workings of how jab reset works which is vital for most of the cast as theres some punish that begins with a jab reset ie puff: jab-reset > rest, fox: jab-reset > up-smash, falcon: jab-reset > combo starter, shiek: jab-reset > down-throw, etc
@Skapes11238
4 жыл бұрын
Spectator here, I just want to be able to watch and instantly understand exactly why players do certain things or how certain interactions work. Makes the already sick gameplay even better
@DerpsGW
4 жыл бұрын
The jab reset stuff on whether you could roll is definitely intuitively implementable.
@tkri
4 жыл бұрын
I don't even play melee and there's no way I would ever remember this while watching a tourney lol It's just interesting and fun to watch I suppose
"Oh what's your major?" "Honours double major in melee tech and astrophysics. But I think I'm gonna drop the physics because I don't have time to study for it after I'm done all my melee homework."
Bold of you to assume that I am able to wait a precise amount of frames instead of randomly pressing buttons.
i need a 10 hour lo-fi vid of hax$ explaining advanced melee tech in his sultry deep voice
@lukenawrocki5042
4 жыл бұрын
This is actually such a good idea
@Elundis
4 жыл бұрын
Kinda like the music Akira the Don makes.
Hax: instead of hitting him at frame 5, wait exactly one frame later and hit him at frame 6 if you're attacking with falco back air me: y-yes...sir... *feebly fumbles with controller*
@xx-cj6ew
4 жыл бұрын
Me: *misses L-Cancel, air dodges off ledge, dies*
shout out aziz for making this video 60fps, black text cards never looked so smooth
@lightbrand_
4 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha, you got me good
I don't even play melee but I love seeing people go all the way into systems like this
@CharlotteMimic
4 жыл бұрын
ooh! you should try [kzread.info/dash/bejne/maOVxpSimquodZs.html] and the other 0x A press videos (mostly by kzread.info ), if you haven't already!
@IAm-zo1bo
4 жыл бұрын
@@CharlotteMimic dude wtf are those videos
@connorthornberg
4 жыл бұрын
You'd probably also love the video about the Peach Break the Targets World Record: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eKJ_ua2Cc7jXh7g.html Its an hour long but its so fascinating that it doesn't feel like it
@ActionGamerAaron
4 жыл бұрын
Stop watching; start playing.
Remember the old days of Melee where frame data for moves/getup was already considered holy knowledge? It's come a long way in twenty years.
"transitions directly into get-up if the attack deals less than 13 hitstun" now i understand why Falcon can jab reset himself but not spacies Falcon's jab does 14h on Fox and Falco so they can buffer roll away and avoid the forced getup however it does 13h on Falcon and Sheik it also does 13h on Marth but Marth's lower gravity can't compensate for the knockback, so he avoids the jab reset a difference of just one frame in terms of hitstun could've made the Falcon vs spacies MU *much* easier lol
Nobody can say this isn't the most nuanced fighting game of all-time..
@trouncerrredits
Жыл бұрын
you might be right but let me try: "this is the most nuanced fighting game of all-time" nope. it just auto-corrected every time i tried.
Aziz is so thoroughly a Fox main now that I can only imagine he did something hugely symbolic like throw his electric guitar into a volcano after staring into it pensively for 8 minutes when he made the decision to drop Falcon for good.
@trouncerrredits
Жыл бұрын
it was a mirror. to this day, he still doesn't know if it was he that shattered it, or his reflection.
This is such an indepth video. It's crazy that melee is still be analyzed to such a high level to this very day. Love the content Hax.
Hax uploads execution testing me seeing how fast i can click on 'em
I swear, eventually melee players gonna be able to count frames during gameplay
@dunK1x
3 жыл бұрын
Thats pretty much what every high skilled melee player does to get frame perfect execution
8:07 It seems Yoshi just bounces off the air molecules
I was hoping there would be a joke about how the Arizona smash scene is the strangest state in SSBM
@Pslamist
4 жыл бұрын
Strangest, in some ways, but we're also one of the most community-driven, in my opinion.
I can't express enough how much you do for the nouveux melee scene. Every Doc kid and rollback scrub trying to get better at the game needs to watch your videos. You're doing a great thing for the community.
Y'know, these videos make me question whether anyone loves Melee as much as Hax
@jacintotamez8597
4 жыл бұрын
Tyler nice profile pic, probably my 2nd favorite ELO album
Finally someone made sense of one of the most mysterious aspects of melee. Thank you Senpai
Holy moly I mean I knew you could tipper the bounce but I did not know the game states behind it
these melee lectures are so sleek. thanks hax
Master Hax$, I see your findings hitting the mainstream in 2 years. Godspeed.
bro I was literally just wandering why dair shine wouldn't work sometimes, and why they would become actionable so fast after getting hit with shine. thanks hax
All my questions with this game have been answered
omg ive honestly been wondering about why fox looks like that when he gets shined
Honestly, with all the things that were learned about Melee since its release, you could make a college course following it and that still won't be enough time to learn everything
Hax back with the easy to understand educational content. Picked up right where you left off and the quality still as good as ever
The Pannenkoek2012 of Melee
when i heard him say "knock" in the beginning, I immediately thought he was about to say a knock knock joke.
Love ur in depth melee info hax. Keep up the good work
God damn you nailed the editing at 9:05. Most videos would have played them both at the same time side by side. God bless. I see u ✊😔
Great video Hax!! I love your channel and these scripts! Just a small grammar correction if i may. You should say, for example, 'if he HAD entered downdamage...' instead of 'if he WOULD HAVE entered downdamage...' The formula for the past conditional comes in two parts: 'if he had ____, he would have _______' and sometimes we mix them up. Cheers!
Hax before: Here’s how you can live forever in melee Hax now: Jab reset is deeper than you think.
Very informative & interesting! Thanks for uploading!
This videos are awesome hax! I research stuff on smash 64 and always get new ideas to test from your vids. Btw, in smash 64 characters always stay grounded during no-tech. Usually the mechanics are much more simple.
If the staleness adds multiplicatively then the actual percent down would be ~38% down or 62.8% of original attack strength with 9 stales. It would only be 45 if the percents were added and then multiplied and maybe they are I’m honestly not sure but it matters for the math.
Fantastic work man.
Bro idk wtf you saying but I enjoy your voice. Liked
100% quality no bullshit, hard research that he's sharing with the community. This kind of commitment is rare in the present day.
I love these videos so much man
Hax be like: In conclusion Fox has the best getup
Great video for a ice climber main! Keep it up 👍
Glad we're back! :D
I’ve always wondered why that happens when falco shines half to time thanks hax
at last we''ve come full circle to missing techs being bad again
I recently picked up Falcon and have been frustrated at the "randomness" of getting a follow-up off of stomp after missed tech. This helps a lot! I'm not good enough to take advantage of the anti-floorhugging technique in the same way, say, Leffen or Hbox are, but now I know to at least try and aim for the aerial frames of GroundBound when using nonspike moves ^_^
@rangodash
4 жыл бұрын
You.....picked up falcon? Why?
@CharlotteMimic
4 жыл бұрын
@@rangodash for fun! My hands and brain aren't fast enough for Fox, but I wanted a change from Marth, and Falcon's combo game is really satisfying (and pretty easy lol)
@Pslamist
4 жыл бұрын
@@CharlotteMimic - It's really easy to fall in love with his movement.
@CharlotteMimic
4 жыл бұрын
@@Pslamist he's so cool! It took me a while to understand that being on a platform wasn't a bad thing - Marth so seldomly wants to be anywhere other than the ground
my god hax, you're doing the lord's work
Hell yeah new video
Bruh I was floorhugging and didn’t even know it! This makes so much sense! Thank you!
Thank you so much. I never knew why people would fly out of my shine sometimes ;]
Fucking love your videos and everything you bring to Melee. Even love your clickbait ass titles. You have like a patreon or something I know Hax fucking money doesn't need handouts but I'd love a method to show my support other than the unwavering love and passion we share for this game.
this actually explains so much about jab resets dependence on states that i should have already known
hax vids so goddamn good
High quality content, thank you hax for sharing with us how to kill fox better (Y)
sick thank you
Knockdown is the Florida of melee
I’ll watch this video inside, the wind makes it too hard to hear
Shoutout to my colorblind melee players who cant read the graphs in this video
Thanks
I swear to god this game is some sort of massive government, illuminatti, or alien conspiracy. It's too ridiculous to just be a video game.
Anyone know if hitlag is variable? The final examples made it sound like they are but I wouldn’t be surprised if they also scaled based on stuff like stale moves
5:27 Hold UP? Blasphemy.
wow dad thanks
Really cool vid, my only suggestion is to add some background music. It’ll help keep the audience invested.
So does the ecb not matter when using spike/meteor moves? The was it was phrased made it seem like the only thing that mattered for these moves was the fact that they were airborne frames.
This is the gimrs lab of melee
Could you sdi or asdi down to deny the floor hug denial?
Melee is sick
Melee is turning into a fucking math equation in real time. oh wait, it always was. We are just advancing in the courses the more tech is found.
to this day, i refuse to believe Melee was an “accident “
@AssailantLF
3 жыл бұрын
I mean half of the characters are practically unviable competitively, 6 out of 18 stages are tournament legal, and none of the major tech skills (L-cancel, jump cancel, wave dash, etc) are mentioned anywhere in the game or the official manual. Also every sequel Smash game has gone out of its way to either not include, or include + severely nerf any of the cool tech skills from Melee. I think it was overall an accident, although certain high-skill moves that benefit competitive play were added intentionally, like L-canceling and wave dashing.
@falcolom
3 жыл бұрын
@@AssailantLF wavedashing wasn't intentional, it was a quirk of the physics engine that the devs decided to leave in
You need a PhD in melee to fully understand it
the becoming actionable after shine thing has been happening to me all the time. Now i know why (its because I spam shine).
Very good for learn nice
You could add your melee mathematics frame perfect into a super advanced AI & challenge real player against it.
When did Amsah Tech get re-branded as "floor hug"?
Came for the Florida, stayed for the knockdown
Is this the counter to the recent slide off meta development?
@correadoggsten
4 жыл бұрын
yup
@NicholasSunderland
4 жыл бұрын
SICK
I love it when you get all dirty with me when talking about melee.
Y'all really out here researching melee like it's the cure to cancer. I love it.
I fucking love your videos Aziz
very coo
Hax Money, PhD.
Cool tech but Should these really work normally or It Is Just a "melee Is a broken game" situation?
Lol hax is such s Virgo its so awesome how detailed and analytical he is
It just get deeper
Is this why ness dash attack is the way it is?
what are the red ecb’s that trail behind used for?
@Brawltendo
4 жыл бұрын
Those represent the previous frame’s ECB position, which I believe are used to help calculate and correct the final position of the ECB along with the white outline around the orange one in the front that acts as a prediction of its position to an extent.
@HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote
4 жыл бұрын
Brawltendo thank you
@HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote
4 жыл бұрын
Brawltendo I wanna be able to recreate the system close enough in unity (for fun) so im trying to learn as much as i can about how it’s made
Florida
Does he have a twitch?
Thanks to this video I successfully managed to miss DK's down-B on an opponent during DownBound ⌉O_o⌈
Hey Hax$ you're handsome
why do you get more histun at higher percent?
@zachstarattack7320
4 жыл бұрын
You just do. The equatiom for hitlad checks the damage and knockbackb a move does. Also, it just looks cooler that way
@joe4570
4 жыл бұрын
@@zachstarattack7320 but that's more hitlag not hitstun?
@joe4570
4 жыл бұрын
@@zachstarattack7320 is that universal? So if i get hit by the same hitbox at 0 and 100 percent I'm in more hitstun at 100 percent?
@zachstarattack7320
4 жыл бұрын
@@joe4570 Honestly, just look at all the vid from this guy. Especially this one. He goes so hard into this. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lW1nqNmenZDUl9o.html
mfs smash graphs don't have enough annotations edit: ECB - ethereal collision blob
Bruh moment
Hax needs someone to help him script and record these videos. The info is great, but an engaging delivery with a couple jokes would catapult these videos to triple the views and instantly enter the melee zeitgeist. Would love to right punchlines and transitions for this shit.
@Pslamist
4 жыл бұрын
I actually believe they are made exactly the way he wants them to be. He wants the information to speak for itself.
tl;dw - use moves that do less than 7% to jab reset, hit people after they bounce off the ground to stop them from floor hugging.
melee asmr?
M2K be like I knew this before you where born kid
Hax$ is GOAT