‘Ridiculous’: You don’t have to be a lawyer to see ‘problem’ with Voice
You don’t even have to be a lawyer to see the problem with the Indigenous Voice to Parliament, says barrister and constitutional lawyer Gray Connolly.
“It’s just ridiculous for me to see someone saying that the Constitution is going to be amended - something we do very rarely," Mr Connolly told Sky News Australia.
“And there are serious people who are asking you to believe, I think, unseriously, that an addition of a new chapter to the Constitution will not change much of how the High Court understands the Constitution."
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AFL STAY OUT OF POLITICS SHAME ON YOU GILL AND ALL SPORTING CODES LEAVE POLITICS OUT OF SPORTS
@ZELJKO472
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Gill lost the plot with gender-neutral toilets. Gill is part of the cultural elite snubbing at all the middle classes and the traditional folk. They are deplorable to him. Going on identities, you are a good identity or bad identity depending on where you sit on the intersectionality chart.
@markbeale7390
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Too right ✅️
@marylacapp7262
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🎯Exactly. Sport and corporations are so into virtue signalling. Maybe it's the incentives $$$ they get from gov.
@markbeale7390
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@Maryla Cappelletti No maybes about it.
@andreikondisenko6089
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Correct . Keep Religion ,Race . Politics OUT OF SPORT . ONE FLAG ,ONE PEOPLE , ALL AUSTRALIAN .Good Comment Dominic . Andrej Kondisenko Cairns Australia
Many reasons to vote NO. Nothing to be gained from voting yes.
Please stop trying to "help" these people. Let them go. I guarantee they will survive. Vote NO
In other words it will be an out of control legal nightmare .
The racist pro-indigenous elitism being promoted by the football codes is extremely offensive. This weekend the Rugby League has a 'Indigenous Round" because of the so-called 'contribution' indigenous people have had on football. Well why not also have a 'Lebanese Round' or 'Polynesian Round' or 'Anglo Round' celebrating their contributions? Ridiculous.
@blackprince4074
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Or a WOG round! it's the wog's and other Europeans that came to Australia and built this nation and gave their sons and daughters blood for our freedom. How many aboriginals helped our their/cause or held their hands up to help.(check how much is given by the way of $$$$, job opportunities ((even if they cannot do the work, but are protected)). I find they the Aboriginal population are always holding out their hands and then claiming the their repressed, they are only repressed in their own minds only.
@jiol-fk5ws
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it's totally racist.
you don't need to be a constitutional lawyer to know this proposal is fundamentally racist and insanely irresponsible.
@logicsconscience
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Racist against whom?
@ruprectgreatrex9153
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@@logicsconscience all Australians not of the chosen race
@logicsconscience
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@@ruprectgreatrex9153 Cry me a river
@Want0nS0up
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@@logicsconscience Get stuffed you little racist creep.
@autisticsimon12
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So why did you vote for labor? LABOR VOTERS bend over and take it you deserve rayping for what you voted for. WHY THE HECK DID YOU VOTE LABOR?
What a great overview...a real commonsense reason to vote no...a voice that would divide and destroy Australia
The AFL, Cricket Australia, Rugby League should stay out of political and social movements. I haven't watched a cricket game since the time the cricketers acted like losers and bowed down to the violent and anti-social BLM movement. I have also stopped watching and following AFL because they keep sticking their noses into the same social areas.... Sport should be sport.
There's no point in changing the question to something more palatable to the public. We see what the Govt wants and we know what they will try and pass when nobody is looking. Safest bet is to just tell Albo to keep his stinking grubby mits off our constitution.
Vote no, simple
The AFL and NRL have been previously (rightly) outspoken against racism. Yet here there are, supporting the racist Voice.
It’s the old bait and switch Aust Gov will rally support through allied corporate groups, funded agencies and sporting entities etc. Aust Gov will leverage guilt with Aussie’s 'fair' reparation and ‘win’ the yes vote, then make permanent and binding amendments to the constitution. Aust Gov will ‘treaty’ with the elite group (first Australians) they have positioned as ‘the owners’ over land title ownership (Allodial title). Aust Gov will temporarily apportion increased ownership, empowerment and revenue to this already adequately represented, overly provisioned and poorly administered minority. Aust Gov will erode and expropriate allodial title and re-designate the land title from ‘native ownership’ into Australia’s corporate arm of the Global network. Aust Gov will digitise the $AUD. Vote NO. Stronger together 🇦🇺💯%
@OK-ke3jg
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Best summary I have seen. Bravo 👌
@philashton7578
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Albonese using taxpayers money to raise support for what he wants. Vote NO
@autisticsimon12
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Great points but your still under a delusion . The sun changed from yellow to white . Can you explain why or when that happened and why NO ONE notices or cares. DELUSION!!! Please explain why you dont see it? GO LOOK!
@Bruce15485
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Well said ! I think your description should be made more widely read ! A definition of "Allodial Title" should be made more readily known, so more Australians understand what the 'yes' vote will, in the future mean to them ! ! I think your statement of "bait and switch" is exactly what is going on !
if the national interest is your yardstick, as it should be, the answer is an unequivocal NO
Vote NO to a raciest referendum.
There is no place for an unelected autonomous committee permanently enshrined into our constitution within the parliament, NO WAY
The voice is already the biggest train wreck in Australia!
Vote NO
What amazes me about all this is that the Labor government is just doing whatever it likes and it thinks that it can play roughshod over the electorate as it sees fit. The reality is that the Labor government should govern in the interests of all Australians, that is, govern for us because we are employing the government to serve us and not the otheway around.
@Ulrich_von_Jungingen
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Well said.
@drnopatience9852
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Unfortunately the government has forgotten that
@PearlEGates-lp5fe
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Bill Gates endorses the voice. Pfizer endorses it… what could go wrong?
There is ONLY ONE Australian Flag
@mckenziehellenann
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👍If the voice fails..let's all have a vote for one flag representing our Country..not the current 3 or 4 !!
This is not about rights, but about pushing for privileges
The more that we find out about the Voice the less that we can trust it. Blindly hoping that it won't open a can of worms is foolhardy.
The “Voice” was always designed to be the ruling arm of government from its outset.
All Australians are currently equal. The proposed Voice will provide special rights to access Parliament and the Executive to Aboriginal Australians, which rights are NOT available to the rest of us - thus, not all Australians will be equal and Aboriginal Australians will be a different, and more ‘important’ group, based solely on their race - this is racist, and wrong. Why is it that those who normally bleat loudest about ‘racism’ in Australia (the ABC, sporting codes, unions, corporate and business leaders, NGOs, the churches etc) are now all fully supporting a Voice which is based solely on the race of the beneficiaries ? If we divided the seating at a footy ground into one section which said ‘Aborigines’ and another section which said ‘ Other Australians’ there would be outrage (rightly). It’s hard to see the difference with the Voice.
Maybe the AFL and RA can explain the legal implications of the voice, or perhaps they can explain how many $$$ they will get to support it. vote NO.
The winner are the govt lawyers winner winner chicken dinner I’ll be voting NO
Apartheid.
People are starting to move away from supporting this because it’s becoming clearer that it’s all misleading on what it will do.
Sport and athletic bodies should refrain from announcing support for yes campaign and allow people to choose without urging sports fans support for a yes
@drnopatience9852
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Say yes Have seventeenth booster Just like the government sez
Just vote NO !
Slice and dice this anyway you like the voice is apartheid by stealth.
NO and NO
I will never support any form of race based legislation nor do I support discrimination against any group, who in this case are the majority.
The intransigence of the government on this is a foretaste of the kind of intransigence that the 'Voice' would show if it were to get up.
You get so much more when you vote for a Labor government. For instance you get to give up your most valued right, the right to equality before the law and you get in return a few hours of narcissistic feelings of virtue signalling. Good trade I think 🤔
If Lydia Thorpe and her friends on the “warpath” gets any more of a voice than they already has - it’s a NO
Goodbye AFL ,NRL and Rugby sport and politics should not mix. I wont be supporting any code again
Its what follows the voice which is most concerning. Reperations, treaty and co- governance.
Makes perfect sense for a change in this debate that is clouded by Albo's refusal to make any changes in case he misses his opportunity to have a statue of him erected in the future as "The Great Mover" of this proposed societal rift.
In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. This is the kind of revolution Australia desperately needs...
@autisticsimon12
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Why did you vote labor when they are so destructive and incompetent. WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR THEM, i bet you can not even explain why????
Once there was a family which left Australia when the White Australua Policy dominated the population, early after Federation. The father was Chinese and his wife was an Aboriginal woman. It was a very hard decision, but thry got on the boat. Three generations on, their descendants are Chinese, but with an Indigenous heritage. The descendants have been part of the Communist Party of China for decades, and have moved back to Australia. With indigenous blood, they automatically got an Australian passport and all the benefits provided to Indigenous people. But they want power, so with CCP money they go and buy Indigenous support across the country, setting up 'representative bodies' etc. Having the run of Australia and China, they decide to try for more formalized power, and this is what this referedndum is about. The indigenous people at the grassroots level don't know they're supporting the political aspirations of one ethnic-indigenous mix.
Think of the country is 100% correct. Vote No.
Aboriginal want money welfare plenty hand out want live western way but claim Aboriginal way
There is a bottom line to all this. A successful "yes" vote will burden all future generations of non-indigenous Australians with an ever-increasing bill to fund the endless claims of rent seekers feeding off the aboriginal industry.
@roseburn489
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You’ve hit the nail on the head with this statement.
Albanese, as the modern day Hendrick Verwoerd will be remembered as the man who entrenched Apartheid into Australia.
Legalised racism….that’s all the voice will provide.
@cygnatius6378
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constitutionalised racism.
@Want0nS0up
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@@cygnatius6378 apartheid.
@autisticsimon12
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@@Want0nS0up Do you think people will start killing them in protest?
@Want0nS0up
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@@autisticsimon12 apartheid
Great explanation of the problem
It won't be one voice unfortunately, so many versions will be shouting for attention.
Two Constitutions. The original & only lawful Constitution come in red. The illegal constitution comes in green. Know the difference Australian's.
No Apartheid for Australia.
Will you start to pay for mountain hikes bushwalking ,it is the last cheap days out change the Constitution looks dangerous
This proposal is very poorly thought through. As an example, the qualifications and disqualifications for Members and Senators are regulated at section 44. This section with section 64 sets the terms of appointment of Ministers of State, while section 72 provides for disqualification of members of the Judiciary. The proposed constitution alteration to establish the Voice makes no provision for qualification or disqualification of Members of the Voice. This would be subject to Federal legislation. This could create a legal minefield as did the disgraceful section 15 referendum left us. (In this particular case because it just doesn’t work as promised)!
A lot of lawyers see the voice as a continuation of the gravey train . with all of the stolen generation compo money the lawyers got about 1/3 of the money.just imagine the possibilitys awaiting for them if the voice goes through
The Voice? Is John Farnham running for parliament?
Why is albo always saying build back better ,,, or 222 in gematria. Black lives matter = the voice . Ancient evil ...
Big NO
Can't wait for the fallout after this fails even better than that will be the blame game.
The whole thing is…. Absolutely shocking management of OUR natural resources.. and secondly politicians that have sold us out
At the rate this is going I’d much rather this referendum is allowed to fail as is Even if it’s toned down people like albanese burney Pearson Langdon etc who see this as an opportunity to entrench power will never be satisfied
Its money, thats what its about..
All aboriginal land is currently leased from the corporation for 99yr bases.
@andreikondisenko6089
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Don, t Know about that one mate . land claim for normal people at Australian Law . Registered in your name and number . Land Titles . Australia . Special Lease , 12 months. , Perpetual Lease ,100 years Freehold , Purchase from Government at value Cost $$$$ and rates apply Then there is Grazing lease , Mining Lease , Farming lease . Government collects $$$ . QUESTION . DO aboriginal pays rates $$$$$$$, GOV and Council Land title . Andrej Kondisenko Cairns Australia
Well thats Braun over Brains😂
No, no and no! Billions already paid and now I want more from the beggars and their hanger ons.
I would like to hear more about how members of a Voice would be selected.
well time has come to say NO
Vote NO!!!!!!
Simply vote NO NO NO HELL NO
Why has the sporting codes got to do with the voice and what right has the PM got to be bulling them into voting yes more donations for them what a scam PM Discracefull😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
A MYSTICAL 'ICEBERG' Photos of the beginning of the1900's, not at hand just now, appear to demonstrate that the most creative Ceremonies were taking place in the extreme conditions of the Centre of Australia: the place with the least available. Emu feathers, ocre and so much more were used. We can, if we want, associate this outer vision of a Cult with a place requiring the most pragmatism in terms of survival, taking away Spirituality from just a lucrative exercise of the mind.This goes beyond that when realising that there is 'no escape' from mentioning aspects embedded in this Culture, as well as being somehow present all over the Continent; but attempts are made by all parties not to mention the social integration of Mysticism! It should not be surprising that a Spiritual take over could only take place in Uluru, the core of Australian Mysticism. Is it possible to just display as a tourist attraction and dig further underground the tip of what can be apparented as having the mental depth of an iceberg: how much opportunism, time and finance have been involved for trying to achieve just that! It could be much harder to swallow pills than swallow a ROCK so much larger than a virus!
If you don’t know VOTE NO!
I didn't understand his criticism about it being in a separate chapter.
@OK-ke3jg
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That new chapter can stop the elected government passing any laws the people of Australia want. In other words, our votes won't matter. The unelected voice representatives run the show.
@logicsconscience
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@@OK-ke3jg 1) That has nothing to do with it being a separate chapter. 2) It only says that the Voice can make representations. How does representations invoke the veto power you claim?
Albo : Crikey, this Connolly bloke might be onto something....I'm going to change things to agree with him. Noel : Albo, Linda and me don't think this will be a good move.... it will take all controlling power away from us. Albo : Calm down Noel... I'll change the wording to what this bloke says and everyone will vote ' Yes ' then I'll flip back to the original wording. Noel : Ohh...won't that be a problem ? Albo : Nah...The Labor and Green voters will love it and the rest of the sheeple can take a hike...they will be too worried about their mortgage rate increases and grocery and power price blow outs. Noel : you are brilliant 😁😁 Albo : Yes I know, It's a pity that we have done away with knighthoods.
He is correct, at what stage has first nations worked successfully with government. They have an agenda and its not a united one. They have a voice her name is Lydia Thorpe and a few others. They are already in power and I believe they will block everything, demand home owners pay them a land levy and frustrate parliament with constant disruption. This is what's happened in the past and still today. So what do you base your mis information on or is it defamation to Dutton ? Warmest Regards Elizabeth
politics stinks sometimes. labour know that if the voice fails they can say for evermore that any problems with indigenous Australians can be blamed on those who were against the voice regardless of the circumstances, yet again they are schooling the conservatives in pure politics.
The prerequisite expecting recognition is the precursor to insanity, The prerequisite expecting unity out of war is the precursor to insanity, The prerequisite expecting respect is the precursor to insanity,
@benjaminthistle6637
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Explainable by trisomy 21 present in cervical rib vertebrae hox gene ,to put that in perspective down syndrome sufferers have trisomy 21 that effects their intelligence
@benjaminthistle6637
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I'd say 50% of indigenous suffer the effects of chronic trisomy 21
@benjaminthistle6637
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People mistake indigenous trisomy 21 for petrol sniffers
No . stop wasting money . we need a government for all Australians, not just black ones. free Julian assange.
The people need a voice… not just inner city green voting mutants.
opinion as usual
I think it will just end up perpetuating the "victim status" of indigenous people in Australia. Don't get me wrong - they *do* have problems but I just see this as *patronising and belittling*. I think Maori here in NZ are in a similar situation - there are "Kura Kaupapa" here that teach only in Maori. "Kohanga Reo" too. There are Maori electorates (seven of them) just for Maori. Maori this, Maori that. Maori *everything......* Every government department seems to have a Maori name as well as an English one - heck, it's a FACT that Maori is actually an "official language" here and English ISN'T! I kid you not. ( That has *got* to be changed. ). All of this is *so belittling* to Maori that they don't even have to TRY - they get all of this stuff "handed to them on a plate". Does that help them? I say *NO*. They have had the Maori electorates for over 100 years (IIRC). What have they *really* done for Maori? Stuff-all if you ask me. There WERE the charter schools a few years ago that showed HUGE promise (and where the students making the biggest gains were Maori and Pasifika students) but dumb old Labour in its "infinite wisdom" AXED them because the unions told them to. Here is Ardern saying exactly that - m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3110160162342324&id=154331724631584
sports keep out of politics ,
Why don't you play albaneese, speaking to the general public and describing the voice as if its not very powerful. Then turn around to an indigenous groups of people and say it's very strong and will hold politicians to account. It's the strongest reason so far to vote no.
You're ignoring chapters 4-8 (Finance & Trade, The States, New States, Miscellaneous & Alteration of the Constitution). These being their own chapters do not fundamentally alter the functions of our Government.
I assume that sky news has given up on Trump….
The indigenous voice to parliament bill will pass and Murdoch will wave goodbye to the millions he wasted on the deadwood of sky Australia...💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸 Again 👍 😆😆😆
@Design_no
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Lu y in dreamtime 😂😂😂
@ZELJKO472
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Oh how wonderful Lucifer. Three cheers for the voice. Will be paradise on earth and make Australia a wonderful place. And keep spending tens of billions per year because you want to feel all smug and virtuous about yourself. Must feel great
@HellHound.933
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@Big Ern McCracken Bit of an Exaggeration.
@jizleopard8468
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@Big Ern McCracken did murdich wipe after he was done with you?
So what is said here , Why have an Election to elect a State , Federal or Senate as is Stated In The Australian Constitution Chapter 1 . General . Chapter 2 , The Senate , Chapter ,3 House Representatives , Part 4 , Both Houses of Parliament , . Part 5 , Powers of Parliament , Chapter 2 ,The Executive Government . Chapter 5 The States .. SCHEDULE , OATH AFFIRMATION . and have an aboriginal , NON CONFIRMED 100% BY DNA .2% of Australians making decisions for Australia. 60 thousand years of experience and what was in Australia before 1788 Europian settlement ???? WELL ,WHAT WAS HERE ??? AS for me , this Voice to Parliament is an INSULT to our Pioneers and early settlers and only a fool or idiot would Vote for this Abomination , Voice to Parliament . A FIRM NO FROM ME . Andrej Kondisenko Cairns Australia
Everybody is talking about the Voice. Nobody mentions the second point in the statement from the heart - the Makarrata Commission - Treaty - Aboriginies want / Why? ..Get ready to pay compensation.
@vallangley5901
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Yes it should be read and there is a third one as well.!!!!
I have a question, if humanity originated in Africa like scientists tell us, then shouldn't Australia's first people be called first immigrants ?? I could be mistaken
Sorry but AUSTRALIA doesn't want it to succeed
Did you know, that if an Aboriginal wanders out on the road and you hit it with a bullbar, the sound it makes is "boooooooooong"
@joshwilson7573
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Come on, mate making jokes like that is not on.
@argon2423
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@@joshwilson7573 Listen mate, a joke is a joke. Let's not try and overreact and act all high and mighty.