I agree, the so-called voice is wrong in principle. It is regressive and repulsive.

VOTE NO to Albo's Trojan horse. This referendum is wrong on principle, all Australian citizens should be equal in our constitution

@KingofKings-tx6cm

Жыл бұрын

Now you want equality when you feel threatened, but when you didn't feel threatened and Aboriginals weren't seen as equals you said nothing! Sanctimonious homunculus boar

@FlyingMachinesVideos

Жыл бұрын

But they are not equal. That is the whole point. How did you miss such an obvious fact?

@brianmorris8045

Жыл бұрын

@@FlyingMachinesVideos But they should be equal. I certainly haven't missed the point, even if youo think J. Smith has...but it is a utopian dream...as the Voice thing will definitely cause the opposite. I do get where he is going on that point. He said we should be...but under that b/s proposal by Albo...it won't be.

@jenneyalberts1336

Жыл бұрын

The original people had their own laws( lore), it wasn't as barbaric as what was displayed upon them. But to use another countries law is an at of war.

@wyattfamily8997

Жыл бұрын

@@jenneyalberts1336 "Original People", "First Nations" all imported rhetoric. The Australian Gobvernment currently allocates $34 BILLION per Year to Aboriginal peoples needs, this is DOUBLE what non Aboriginal citizens have allocated on a per head basis. There are currently 11 Aboriginal members of Federal Parliament, which is 4.8 % of the total number of Federal Politicians (227). Aboriginal people are only 3.1% of the total population so they are OVER REPRESENTED on a per capita basis. From July 2022 Aboriginal people own 49.3% of Australias total land mass, which will increase shortly as a further claim of 13.4% is approved, and rise to 62.7%. Pretty good going for a people who "need a voice".

One term government we all hope.

@wyattfamily8997

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately 2 more years of pain.

Thank you Andrew for this excellent guest on your program. Mr Cole is so refreshing to listen to, and has put forward some very well considered, perceptive, and wise arguments for which Albo doesn't have an answer.

@christinecavanagh5906

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Mr Cole It's a NO from me

Well said...100% agree

Absolutely knocked it out of the park Mr Cole.👏 You have a similar perspective on the subject to mine, and your professional expertise is most welcome. No to apartheid in Australia. No to a race based change in our Constitution. #FairAustralia

@lubanskigornik282

Жыл бұрын

just like to remind all - please find out about ATSIC and how it finished.

This is all we need."We are one, but we are many And from all the lands on earth, we come We share a dream and sing with one voice I am, you are, we are Australian." NO to The Voice. Not now, not ever

"truth-telling commission" sounds more like an Orwellian propaganda machine to me.

@caroliner2029

Жыл бұрын

Yes. KZread fact crushers.

Going by the reaction of whats been released so far, the odds are dropping the more that is learnt of the voice. More questions than answers.

A brilliant Voice speaking with so much Historical Truths ! Thank you Sir!.

@brianmorris8045

Жыл бұрын

Isn't it wonderful all the voices that should be speaking agains it, are finally coming out of the woodwork, and saying no to the Voice farce, scam, or whatever we should call it.

Mr Terence Cole said it perfectly 👍👍👍

Looks like anything Labor with Albany going is wrong. STILL WAITING FOR 275$ ELECTRICITY BILL

!!!VOTE NO TO APARTHIED!!!

@KingofKings-tx6cm

Жыл бұрын

😂😂 the fk you smoking fool

Vote No to Albanese’s apartheid.

The Uluru cardiac statement proposed the Macarena!!?? You mean we all have to dance it?

Correct: This Document: ULURU STATEMENT, will become the Document that the High Court will take into consideration!!

Labor's promotion of race based policies should not surprise. It is consistent with socialist identity politics ideology. Especially minorities. For that alone I hope it is defeated at the referendum. As KC notes, ALL Australians should be treated equally. The Voice is, by its own definition, a policy that provides one specific racial group with rights, representation and the potential for even more money than currently. The nation has spent over $30B a year for the last 20 years and more - and that has done nothing to improve the state of Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander communities. BUT, you can be sure that most members of those communities demanding we give them this voice WILL profit if the voice gets up.

This may sound harsh, but they are a conquered people. They are now Australians. They have all the same rights that all Australians have. Are they asking for special or preferential treatment? It's like saying that if this "Voice" speaks, everything and anything can be overruled. They are not marginalized or oppressed. They have simply failed to get on with the times and kept up with progress, so now they are raking up buried skeletons about colonialism. They want everything regular hardworking Australians have got without having put in the required effort. They tell you they hate the colonialism, but they want its benefits and rewards for free. It's the same rubbish as black reparations for slavery.

@BlackStump172

Жыл бұрын

A big Yes !

@monteforae8077

Жыл бұрын

@@BlackStump172 When Allodial land title is made defunct in Australia, it mightn't be the actual Aboriginals who stand to really benefit from this amendment. No special treatment here, just government manipulation of 'ownership' which then extrapolates into appropriated population and resource control. Remember the recent erosion of civil liberties and subsequent legislation during the pandemic? Once the $AUD goes digital, the Gov will have 'appropriated' control over how and where you can trade, invest and secure, depending on how you may conform socially and politically, based on your ethnicity. Already these changes are being integrated into International law globally. Recently Israel adapted allodial title. PNG did in the 70's under 'labor lawyers' purview and NZ is reviewing their 'voice' agenda atm, Hysterical? possibly to the myopic and naive among us. Citizen score communism is the new progressive ideology. Will the Voice smoothly integrate? Just relax and trust the integrity of the Pollies, everything will be fine in the great new and morally superior republic of Oz.

@grahamhoughton8783

Жыл бұрын

Learn your history fool, not marginalised or oppressed!! Really , what would you know honestly, your family came from other lands well after the fact and can also consider yourself an invader , as we in the western world have become interested in culture of other nations it’s hard to learn from a culture that was nearly decimated and the land that culture inhabited destroyed by bigotry and plain greed. Pack your bags and go back to your cultural homeland ,is what people who suggest denying indigenous peoples their true rights should do. Like it or not facts are facts: the black man has resided here for millions of years and had its own cultural laws and delegations for regions , even localised battles between tribes , but never did they invite a foreigner or bestow them any titles, therefore the lands were stolen by force with murder and slavery. Giving a little is usually the best way to get more of what you want

@Jack_Callcott_AU

Жыл бұрын

@@monteforae8077 What you say is true❗ The so-called Aboriginal land is really owned by the government; the Aborigines can't buy it or sell it. btw...I've learned a new word: " Allodial " thanx❕📴

@monteforae8077

Жыл бұрын

@@Jack_Callcott_AU

Steve Biko who was beaten to death in custody in apartheid South Africa was a firm believer in not giving a minority or any group special powers .

@jena.alexia

Жыл бұрын

Most civil rights activists were proponents of equality for all, not special treatment for some.

@KingofKings-tx6cm

Жыл бұрын

Please remember your comment when the Chinese or Indians are the majority and you're the minority

@uberboiz

Жыл бұрын

@@KingofKings-tx6cm Should we give the Chinese and Indians some special power now while they are still the minority?

Can anyone answer this question? We know countries that have used laws that created 2 levels of races legislated by governments. Has this ever been successful?

@johnhoyle4401

Жыл бұрын

Since that’s not happening here, it’s an irrelevant question.

@1LittleNonna

Жыл бұрын

No.

@nigelmorgan3449

Жыл бұрын

No

@gavwilson3413

Жыл бұрын

@@johnhoyle4401 - so giving a minority group, whose selection is based entirely on their race, rights and representations, including the potential to cripple our government and fleece he rest of the population for 'reparations' is NOT racist? You really need to look at a dictionary to learn the definition of racism. Because your political biases are evidently blinding you to the real meaning of the word.

@KingofKings-tx6cm

Жыл бұрын

​@gavwilson3413 I'm native American living in Australia, I benefit from Aboriginals exploitation from Europeans. I would be happy to pay taxes to Aboriginals "Blaks"

Who let this man out of the nursing home

My vote will always be NO to apartheid, because the voice is dividing all the peoples if Australia. Vote No!!!!

here in NZ we have the waitangi tribunal, which has only some of the powers proposed in the voice, it has been very very expensive, very divisive, and now has maori trying to take control of the water we drink, which they intend to charge us for. Vote No australia, you are such a lovely place without racism, you do not need it

@J.Smith-rc6wh

Жыл бұрын

the honourable judge is completely correct on this

Australia needs a tribe of 26,000,000 people instead of 2,000,000 nations of 13 people.

The proposed changes do not limit the voice to new or changed legislation. It will allow for the voice on everything, since federation, maybe before.

The smartest fella I've ever had the privilege to meet, Terence Cole QC

If you are wondering about the fine print of the Voice and what will happen after the referendum - I have just been reading the UN General Assembly on the rights of Indigenous people. There are numerous chapters, but it essentially says that Indigenous people have the right for self determination. This is interesting, because when Gough Whitlam started campaigning for aboriginal rights, that was his main goal and various Labour governments have continued in this vein. Now, Gough is Albanese’s hero and he wants to emulate Gough and live up to Gough’s expectations or even go one better and deliver Gough’s goal and deliver the UN General Assembly goals. This also fits with the goals of the 1982 National Aboriginal Conference, where a draft Makaratta detailed requirements for self determination or Aboriginal Sovereignty. There are some pretty scary demands in this Draft (eg tax relief for 195 years, payment of 5% of GDP for 195 years etc- research it for yourself). Aboriginal Sovereignty was also the main driver at the Canberra Tent Embassy. Articles from this Makaratta appear also to be included in the Uluṟu Statement from the Heart. Marcia Langton and Patrick Dodson would be most aware of the 1982 Makaratta. And the kicker - 2022 an expression of interest was released by Penny Wong for an Aboriginal Ambassador to “lead indigenous perspectives experiences and interests into foreign policy and First Nations trade and investment” - I expect because the Voice has further un-mentioned goals. So, when Albanese says “trust us”, it will all be worked out after the referendum. Just like his pre-election promises - that has worked out too well. So why doesn’t the government want to give out further details on the Voice? In absence of any detail from the government, it can only be concluded that Aboriginal self determination or Aboriginal Sovereignty is the clear driver behind the Voice and these details are what is being kept from the Australian people. So a No vote would be appropriate.

Well said Sir - I hope Albo Starts to listen too learned people like this for a greater Australia 🇦🇺 whether you are indigenous or not.

Labor has a gift for undoing the works of generations, whether it be their destructive green policies, their erosion of the education system, their divisive social policies or their disastrous financial management leading to such shambles as the Commonwealth Games reversal.

Aborigines and Italians running the country, Australians didn't die in wars for this.

@jettstream2886

Жыл бұрын

Indigenous Australians died fighting for this country too fkwit

@BlackStump172

Жыл бұрын

What ????

@arthurmcalister1454

Жыл бұрын

This kind of comment just degrades the no case and brings it down to the gutter with the yes case. We want Australia to be run by Australians.

@BlackStump172

Жыл бұрын

@@arthurmcalister1454 Well said !

Voting No

The voice opens the door for another constitutional change - to a republic, with The Voice, or one of its members as head of state. Lydia Thorpe could be on The Voice committee…

Already there is disparity. Aborigines have equality under the Law in Australia. The most recent review of government expenditure on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders Australians estimates that direct expenditure was A$33.4 billion, an increase of around 23.7% since the first report in 2008-09 (adjusted). This equates to A$44,886 per person almost exactly twice the amount of direct government expenditure (per person) on the rest of the Australian population. So in terms of funding, they are more than equal. As of 5 May 2019, there have been 460 native title determinations, with a further 223 native title claims still moving through the system. Currently 40% of land in Australia has a recognised native title interest in it and this is expected to rise to 80% by 2050. . Once native title is determined, the Native Title Act requires the creation of a prescribed body corporate (PBC) to represent and manage the group’s native title rights and interests. There are currently 200 PBCs across Australia overseen by The Aboriginal Commissioner. Gaining native title over their land gives the group greater power to realise their social, economic and cultural aspirations and maximise the benefits of their native title rights and interests. Approximately 15% of Aborigines live in rural and remote areas while ∻85% of Aborigines live in Urban areas and fully 33% of those live in major centres with ready access to all facilities compared to 25% of the general population. There is also A Federal Government Ministerial Portfolio and a Department of Indigenous Affairs employing a largely Aborigine workforce and in 2022 10 Indigenous candidates were elected to the Federal parliament, and most of them are women. Labor MP Linda Burney is set to become the first Aboriginal woman to be Minister for Indigenous Affairs. So there seems to be a reasonable level of political representation that is able to effect policy and decision making for all Australians and An Aboriginal Justice sits on the Federal Court.

@petercarter6086

Жыл бұрын

Nicely written 👍 We're well on the road to becoming a backward regressive 3rd world country, this legislation will just speed up the process 🤷‍♂️

This just makes common sense - it has always been race based - why would any migrant to this country vote anything else but No.

Everyone get ready to start paying rent on top of a big tax to register your evil petrol car every year.

@justice1902

Жыл бұрын

and pay to go to the beach

@actualfacts1055

Жыл бұрын

@@justice1902 To see the windmills.

@nigelmorgan3449

Жыл бұрын

Will I get a new V8 red Toyota Albo when I vote NO

It shouldn't be allowed to be introduced because of the manufactured legality attached to the Voice!

I'm voting no .. only because I don't trust the pm

And don't forget the white australia policy, we got rid of that because that too wasn't doing us any good. Australia has gone through many transgressions to become what we are today.

@KingofKings-tx6cm

Жыл бұрын

Yet there's not a holiday to celebrate POC who saved white Australia from starvation

Remember Albanese' $ idea of " RESPECT " to ABORIGINAL people ,GROG !!! Remember his shallow behaviour in the Alice, then rushing off too the tennis in Melbourne. The Statement from the Heart was taken too the bloody VATICANO , ridiculous .

Thank you Kerrynne Liddle , I watched and listened to you on Sky News and was in ore of what you said ,I am a big fan of Jacinta and Warren I will be Voting NO.💞💞

We must give respect to people like Terrance Cole as an Elder of our Community, his experience and knowledge is unquestionable..

if you don't understand, or know what it is, vote no.

It’s a NO from me

VOTE NO!!

If thay won't tell you what's in it vote no

What more can the taxpayer do and what more do they want ? Millions $ and they will want more. Do they feel the pain of mortgage stress and the infationry cost of living the way working taxpayers do?

The airs rock statement from the heart will soon get heart worms.

NO TO THE VOICE

Big NO vote for me.

We need to develop AI in ways that allow it to analyse argument according to the rules of logic and from base data that is grounded in empirical reality. By doing this it should be possible to expose fallacy and false argument by exposing the true/false conditions at every intermediate stage of an argument. In this post truth world we are allowing space for polemic and falsehood to flourish and contend for dominion. We have to put an end to this trend. We have to put truth and reality on sound and incontrovertible ground and send the ideoligically pernicious and miscreant packing once and for all.

@neildepressedtyson540

Жыл бұрын

If we did that, Sky News wouldn't be allowed to air lmao. Sounds pretty Ministry of Truth-esque mate.

@caucasianbulldog6057

Жыл бұрын

@@neildepressedtyson540 At least we'd get a little bit closer to the actual truth. Your Orwellian vision can only see truth as lies. That is the mistake Orwell makes in 1984. You are a typical Orwellian dystopian.

Wasting money like this I personally think the PM can

It's exactly the same as what it is now

Crown reps are just that!

The Voice proposal is similar what Ardern and Labour introduced by stealth under the name 3 Waters in New Zealand, disgusting and more harm than good if it proceeds!!

It hasn't worked well anywhere else in the world, speak to some Kiwi's about how they fared with it, but apparently using exactly the same model we will get it right. Plenty of money to be made and spent (not theirs though) with these things which is why they push them on us.

Andrew forgot to also add the word 'sinister'.

Oh my 😢

Terence cole kinda mid tbh

SORRY FOR WHAT? A lot goes on about criticising the past, where Colonialism was the global way of Life, where Humans were as Humans as they are today. Waking up is wOking out and realising that sanctity is not a Political concept and the future generations may have to SAY SORRY for being part of what goes on NOW. Daily dysfunctions are becoming more and more obvious, and censorship could not and does not stop the truth for gradually getting through. The present learning process is more orientated towards figuring out the dark side of what goes on, rather than via Education systems. Corrupt expertise has been damaging common-sense.

Vote no to this divisive racist voice

@FlyingMachinesVideos

Жыл бұрын

Why is it racist? Please post a link to some verifiable factual evidence to support your claim.

When the Prime Minister made the announcement for a Yes vote for the voice because it was what was asked for and is the result of 'The Uluru Statement From the Heart'. I had to read the statement. I read the statement in fact, I studied the statement. It is a road map to Aboriginal sovereignty. Nobody can vote with understanding unless they have read the statement. In the statement are some nice words and meaningful intent, but it contains clearly a scorpion sting. I have decided to say 'No' because I have read the voice and listened to the argument for and against. It is racist and seeks an independent aboriginal government. Land rights was the first move. What is not acknowledged in the statement is any benefit to aboriginal communities, it seeks to remind everyone of the past. It is often said that you can't change history, and also means history should not be glossed over. However, an honest view of history cannot simply be focused on the unpleasant because our history is rooted in the oldest democracy in the world. The foundation of that democracy goes back to Magna Charter. It also brings Australia to being a middle power. Has anyone really studied what Australia would be like if not colonised by the British Empire? Because that is where we got the Australian Constitution in 1901.

Run along to England with your king.

Stop existing please

Anagram Politics is about giving power to the ones who feel discriminated against and downgrading the ones in power, The Chinese Cultural Revoltion adopted these principles at the cost of millions of lifes!

Correct.

What does the 5.4b niaa do now?

Well said coaly I'm sure your beloved brother old Nat King coal is beaming with pride in heaven alongside Frank sinatra

@Prognosis__

Жыл бұрын

Great singers. I’m still happy I have Bruce Dickinson the best metal singer from Iron Maiden is still with us. 🤘🤘

@GrandpaVince

Жыл бұрын

@Prognosis good old Brucey knows his way around a microphone even when he is flying his planes he still belts out a few classics 'run to those hills, run for your liiiiiife'

@Prognosis__

Жыл бұрын

@@GrandpaVince 👍 hope you and grandma Shirley are well 👋

@GrandpaVince

Жыл бұрын

@Prognosis thanks grandson jon and we both hope you are too, it look like Shirley's dead 😀 but unfortunately she's still breathing it just looks like she's dead

I think The Voice is ENTIRELY without merit - wrong in principle (racist and undemocratic), ineffective (its neither a new nor innovative form of consultation), it is socially and political divisive, and will be devastating to the aboriginals if it fails or if it succeeds.

Bit disappointed discussion hete falls short of explaining why Indigenous Australians were not being recognised as citizens of Australia during/after the "undivided" world of Australia in WW2 period....or why returning Indigenous service men were excluded from government programs offered to other Australian

The power of .mass distractions: The saying goes: if one makes it in New York, one can succeed all over America, and eventually the World. If one can distract people away from the depth of Aboriginal Culture in Uluru, one can succeed in.Australa and, eventually, all over the World.

vote no ,

Someone needs to highlight the NIAA. They are supposed to be a voice to parliament (since 2019) ,have 1500 staff and a budget of billions. What do they do and where does the money go. The Voice is just Optics to make Elbow and his deluded wacky supporters feel good about themselves. It also means they do not have to do the hard yack of sorting out the obvious rorting that denies help to the people who really need it. It is shameful gaslighting to the max. No to the voice.

@beepbeep6861

Жыл бұрын

And someone needs to highlight that people were living here, when this country was supposedly discovered.

australia is NOT based in asia, cole may be good at law but his knowledge of geography is pathetic !!

#FairAustralia

Your opinion is invalid L

Love the glaring "WRONG IN PRINCIPAL" banner... good to see Bolt's level of literacy on display

its time blacks are treated the same as humans! give them a voice! vote YES!

1:55 have you though? You clearly haven't been down to Cabramatta in recent decades. Or literally half the suburbs in most major cities. Or any town in Australia for that matter. Get out of your ivory tower from time to time. You may learn something.

The only thing divisive about the the voice is sky and the lnp constantly lying about it and the halfwits believing their lies

@mudgut69

Жыл бұрын

Calling people liars and half wits because they disagree with your opinion is divisive. You just disproved your own point. Rudeness is rarely a solid starting point for a rational discussion.

@jettstream2886

Жыл бұрын

@@mudgut69 it's a fact not an opinion and your pathetic rebuttal is just more proof of my comment

@mudgut69

Жыл бұрын

@@jettstream2886 people like you are why the Voice will fail. You can’t even define what a “fact” is. And once again, when confronted with logic, your only recourse is abuse. That’s quite the turnoff. Sad.

@Want0nS0up

Жыл бұрын

@@jettstream2886 Racist Labor troll.

@eliwosalie9965

Жыл бұрын

So as Migrant Australians y’all enjoy a barbecue on weekends in the parks, enjoying a game of cricket or just getting drunk, you know, to entertain yourselves. Now imagine what happened in Tasmania during the 1800’s when all of the landholders gathered with their families for a picnic down by the running creeks, they didn’t play cricket back then but they brought along with them, captured aboriginal men women and children for their entertainment. First of all they forced the aboriginal men and their sons to dig holes in the ground, then they first tied the little ones and placed them in the ground standing up, they then ordered the men and boys at gun point to bury them up to their necks, leaving their heads exposed. Then your ancestors loaded their rifles and proceeded to do some target practice, they used the babies as head targets whilst their families and friends urged them on if they missed their targets.They kept shooting to see who could blow the heads clean off their shoulders. Then they did the same with the children’s mothers, Buried them up to their necks, repeated the same as to their babies, then they did the same to their fathers, grandfathers and sons. These are the actions of your migrant ancestors, and down through white Australian history it was passed down through the colonisation of the rest of Australia and to this very day, not a mention. All babies are born innocent, and no matter what race, babies/ children will always play with each other no matter what until they begin to grow, and they all learn to walk the talk of their parents, racists are created and apartheid begins right there. But there is a difference especially when white people are slaughtered just like the Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania, it was a tragedy, so much, they disarmed Australia or assumed to. Nothings changed, y’all hate my people and after reading most comments on here, y’all seem to be following your pied piper, and to be honest, it is getting a bit boring, it’s the same responses, same aliases, same old boring drum rolls, over n over n over n over, it starts to get really boring, why, because bogans don’t know any other language, goo goo gah gah..

The Voice will in effect segregate The Aboriginal Society from the rest of Australians....completely out of touch with any reconcilliation

How come Australians don't wanna talk about the abuse on the natives of Australia by the white government, but they want to go on and on about the black oppression in America.?