i'm happy that Dirk is finally getting the praise that he deserves. He is truely one of the most under rated player of all time.

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

He's fairly rated

@dhruvkilaru2265

2 жыл бұрын

@@tj5180 nah not really

@trigun442

2 жыл бұрын

Him and even the top 5 greatest player of all time in Tim Duncan doesn't get much recognition because people brush off loyalty and greatness. They'd rather focus on superteams and to be buddy buddy with other superstars.

@dhruvkilaru2265

2 жыл бұрын

@@trigun442 its mainly cause of how composed both of them were. they didn't act like superstars, even tho they were. they didn't go celebrating when they won and go making rivalries like lebron. also, u could consider time duncans spurs a homegrown superteam

@JacksonWalter735

2 жыл бұрын

For real. I feel like many new or younger fans these days don't understand how great and historic Dirk was. Many of them only know Dirk as a shooting big man or for his fadeaways.

I really enjoyed your list.. the only issue for me was AD, the guy is an amazing talent but the same way you said Garnett couldn’t win for awhile on those twolves teams the same can be said for AD dude only made the playoffs twice in his career before he won that ring with Lakers.. great vid though

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

Ad was having a similar situation. Pels did a lot of dumb moves and injuries happened. Ad took the pels to the semi finals with a good supporting cast in 2018

@Crying2Death

2 жыл бұрын

And then he changed teams and won… just like Garnett… so why is his spot okay but AD’s isn’t?

@dillonwilson8628

2 жыл бұрын

But he mention Kevin Garrett was outplayed at his position multiple times when he was in those playoffs while ad out played players like draymond green on the pelicans

@chch1041

2 жыл бұрын

@@Crying2Death because kevin had won an mvp and dpoy

@Borispirit

2 жыл бұрын

AD doesn’t even have an MVP on his resume guys

Tim Duncan. The greatest Power forward ever. Period.

@jailbreakshortsgroup4671

2 жыл бұрын

I agree but Giannis still has to be number 2

@flyingpigmonkey1

2 жыл бұрын

Lets check back in 5 and 10 years to see if Giannis makes it a debate.

@jailbreakshortsgroup4671

2 жыл бұрын

@@flyingpigmonkey1 bet

@brendan9851

2 жыл бұрын

@@jailbreakshortsgroup4671 Duncan 1 Malone 2

@xXxtetosxXx

2 жыл бұрын

Duncan is to a PF like MJ to a SG.

I'm gonna get shit on, but there's some super underrated Power Forwards that are typical "Glue Guys" that I think deserve discussion. Dennis Rodman and Draymond Green are the first two that come to mind. Guys that can't score a lick but literally do everything else at an elite level, and often times are the reasons why their teams win tough games. I can't begin to explain how impressive it was to see Dennis play #2 to Jordan when Pippen got hurt, grabbing sometimes upwards of 20 rebounds a game while guarding the best player. And don't get me started on Playoff Draymond, who is another beast entirely. He deservedly gets shit for his persona, but if you watched the Olympics, you would recognize his greatness. That team was flatlining every time he was off the floor, and was a well-oiled machine when he's on. The Gold Medal game was perhaps the most impactful 0 pts 0 shots taken performance I've seen. He's top 3 in Playoff Triple Doubles behind Magic and Lebron. And he revolutionized the way people play defense in the modern era by being able to switch 1-5. Give these dudes some flowers too.

@rocknroll7065

2 жыл бұрын

I would consider Green and Rodman small forward but great regardless.

@andysauro1500

2 жыл бұрын

@@davemcnair7432 he's absolutely not washed up lol. How is being top 2 in assists and 1st team all defense washed up? How many 15+ assist games did he have again? He just doesn't shoot.

@rocknroll7065

2 жыл бұрын

@@davemcnair7432 he was below average with injuries to Steph and Klay Thompson and after K D went to Brooklyn

@rocknroll7065

2 жыл бұрын

@@davemcnair7432 I'm in agreement with you I'm not making excuses at all I'm pointing out how he is nothing when he isn't surrounded by starrs

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

@@rocknroll7065 they all played pf

Giannis easily has the accomplishments to be top 5, his resume is already crazy at 26

@TElias5

2 жыл бұрын

Top 2

@stayofftheweeeeeeed7249

2 жыл бұрын

No he doesn’t.

@ajisuhh1147

2 жыл бұрын

@@stayofftheweeeeeeed7249 how?

@z0tl410

2 жыл бұрын

@@stayofftheweeeeeeed7249 u need to listen to yo name and stay off the weeeduh

@stayofftheweeeeeeed7249

2 жыл бұрын

@@ajisuhh1147 All he is is a Covid ring that’s it

Dennis Rodman - 5x NBA Champion - 2x Defensive Player of the Year - 7x rebounding champion He's one of the most unique athletes in the history of the game. He could guard and disrupt any teams star player. Every position 1-5 from Magic to Shaq. He always hustled and seemed to have better cardio than everyone else on the court. He's the most skilled rebounder of all time and probably the best when you take into account his size. Basketball is not always about scoring. If your team has 1-2 scoring options then Dennis did everything else to ensure the Win. And it goes without saying that his off the court antics and personality are legendary at this point. He spent some time as a small forward in Detroit so maybe thats why he's not on this list... but he deserves it... especially over someone like Petit (who's a LEGEND!). But you don't take Petit over Rodman when choosing between the two.

@gregcampbell3052

Жыл бұрын

Dennis Rodman is the original bad boy

@sydneystroud4397

Жыл бұрын

Hot take -- Rodman was great PF, but he is the one player who could be pulled off the list. He was never a franchise players or ever had the burden of a team on his shoulder. Limited on offense.

@neoblade8164

Жыл бұрын

Well unless you discount Pettit because of era, on paper you'd be on crack to not take Pettit over Rodman

@DrakeBrunette

Жыл бұрын

@@neoblade8164 no, you got it! I 100% discredit him due to his era and inflated stats in this situation… I am not trying to discredit his great accomplishments and say that he’s trash. He’s highly deserving of respect and admiration!!!… but between Rodman & Pettit in a more modern NBA, I am going with Rodman. The only reason that could possibly make me reconsider would be if my team had very few scoring options. Then I’ll take “Big Blue”.

@youngrody2386

Жыл бұрын

​​@@sydneystroud4397 Dennis was the best THE BEST Offensive Rebounder in the 90s, bar none, He either scored or passed the ball to Jordan, Pipen or Kukoc to help them dominate in the offense. When you look at stats, Rodman was far more monstrous Offensive Rebounder than Defensively, that could score when his team needed to in the paint and was by no means a scoring liability, but because he was selfless he almost always passes it and is one of the best passing PFs in the league history, and could score in the paint if needed too. Hakeem Olajuwan admitted that Rodman would've made it insanely difficult for them to deal with, and none of Jordan's 2nd 3peat would've happened if Rodman wasn't in the 96 to 98 Season. Being a 6'7" 220 lbs Physical Anomaly, Amazing overall Offensive Rebounding, Shut down Defender (Shaq, Kareem, and Malone had defensive nightmares against Rodman) Give me Rodman. putting Lakers Shaq at 0 in thr paint is unheard of.

Fun fact: Giannis won his first chip at a younger age (26) than when MJ won his first chip (28). NOT comparing them as players but putting that into perspective truly shows how much Giannis has accomplished so far in the league at his age.

@tyreek.6815

2 жыл бұрын

lmfao yea true but same can be said about many other people... Tony Parker and Kobe were both 21 when they won their first title. MJ (magic) was 20.

@johnnyappleseed6889

2 жыл бұрын

@@tyreek.6815 you named only named 3

@tyreek.6815

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyappleseed6889 okay? I was just explaining some people who also won it. Google is free. lol. I said many bc it wasn’t just them😂👍🏾

@leonard9624

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyappleseed6889 dwane wade also

@Lucas-vr1qr

Жыл бұрын

@@tyreek.6815 i mean Kobe had shaq with him

I do think that Giannis deserves to be top 3 even though a lot of people disagree because he is still in the league but that’s just how good he is so we can’t discredit his accomplishments just because he is still playing also I make videos as well

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

He hasn't pass malone or dirk KG to be top 3. He's top 5

@ewajajonna

2 жыл бұрын

@@tj5180 he has passed KG

@Crying2Death

2 жыл бұрын

@@ewajajonna nah KG better than Malone, he’s passed Malone

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

@@ewajajonna how

@williamgreen2507

2 жыл бұрын

Look Giannis can’t be considered top 3. He has the accomplishments but let’s not forget about his lack of post season success until this season. He needs to prove further post season success to move up on the list which he will do in my opinion.

McHale put people in the torture chamber lol. He worked people with the up an under.

@kleatise52

2 жыл бұрын

He may not be the best ever but he would give everybody on this list buckets

@bubblelex5051

Жыл бұрын

Mchale is like that og on the blacktop that schools you with his skills haha. That brother is a bad man!!!!!

I love Giannis to death but I’d still put Garnett and Dirk ahead of him. Giannis’ peak these last five years (27-11-5) has been incredible. And he’s just entering his prime seasons which is scary. It’s gonna take a lot to catch Tim Duncan, but I think he has the intangibles, drive and talent to get to that level.

@willredpath4868

2 жыл бұрын

How are they ahead of him ?

@kenesealo7982

2 жыл бұрын

Dirk I'd say yes but definitely not for long but KG???? HELL NO. Giannis is way better than KG and has already passed him. Karl Malone is better than KG.

@Luka77Legend

2 жыл бұрын

Dirk was never DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR OR A 2X MVP. Greek freak better period

@ackryte2386

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. I would still rank KG and Dirk ahead of Giannis. Not by much of course assuming he continues his current play, but if he retired today I don't really see how you can view him being better than those two.

@kohsmoger1567

2 жыл бұрын

Because he’s a better basketball player. That’s like saying Dave Cowens was better than Bill Walton

If giannis stays healthy for at least another 12 years there is no doubt in my mind he can be a top 5 player of all time

@bigmac2556

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn’t need another 12 years he needs 5-7 at most. He’s not playing until he’s 38 he won’t need to

@jasonmoukala8909

Жыл бұрын

@@bigmac2556 it might be more than 7 tbh lol

Waiting for the Giannis “hot take”

Top 30 Power Forwards in NBA History 1. Tim Duncan 2. Charles Barkley 3. Karl Malone 4. Kevin Garnett 5. Dirk Nowitzki 6. Kevin Mchale 7. Bob Pettit 8. Elvin Hayes 9. Giannis Antetokounmpo 10. Anthony Davis 11-30- Bob McAdoo, Dennis Rodman, Pau Gasol, Jerry Lucas, Chris Bosh, Chris Webber, Kevin Love, Shawn Kemp, Billy Cunningham, Dave DeBusschere, Antwan Jamison, Blake Griffin, Tom Heinsohn, Bobby Jones, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Rasheed Wallace, Zach Randolph, Dan Issel, Draymond Green, Tom Chambers, Bill Lambieer, Terry Cummings, Charles Oakley, Amar’e Stoudemire, Larry Johnson, Horace Grant, Elton Brand, David Lee, Jermaine O’Neal, Rasheed Wallace, Antoine Walker, Lamar Odom, Rashard Lewis, Serge Ibaka, Rudy Laruso, , Paul Millsap, Robert Horry, Terry Cummings, Sam Perkins, Clifford Robinson, David West, George McGinnis, Cedric Maxwell, Serge Ibaka, Anthony Mason, AC Green,, Kurt Rambis

@demorik6794

2 жыл бұрын

I would switch some people around but GREAT list!

@dwitt4574

Жыл бұрын

Good job

@manuelshaul9244

Жыл бұрын

Finally someone with a brain. How Barkley 6.

@investmentsound902

11 ай бұрын

You put terry cummins twice.. and I'd probably add in dwight howard and vin baker

@HiNRGboy

2 ай бұрын

Where the heck is Spencer Haywood?! Connie Hawkins?! Bob Netolicky?! But thanks for putting my favorite in there, Big George! A lot of legendary power forwards throughout the years, they rival the small forwards even though that position is probably the most stacked one.

100% correct! Giannis is the most accomplished 26 year old in the history of basketball! he has the chance to surpass Duncan in the future and not just him!

@therealgmoneyd

2 жыл бұрын

I mean Duncan at 27 was a 2 time mvp and 2 time finals MVP as well

@bigpanda2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@therealgmoneyd yeah giannis has a lot of ground to make up

@JB-xh5mc

2 жыл бұрын

Pause.

@greggyp8265

2 жыл бұрын

Duncan won a ring in his second season. Giannis has a lot more to catch up to Duncan

@jasonmoukala8909

2 жыл бұрын

He has little chance to surpass him

Love to see the Dirk recognition. He did more with less, and he's got a finals mvp to back up his case, kept some very weak mavs teams always in contention, no hate on KG, but this is the correct ranking.

another banger vid, love how in depth you go

@YungMustard

2 жыл бұрын

all love amaya!!!

14:52 “Russell Westbrick”😂😂😂

Great video. Excellent analysis. You gave Nowitzki his due. I remember the 2003 finals. You were right, Parker didn't get the job done. A backup guard named Speedy Claxton saved the Spurs. Parker wouldn't play well, in came Claxton, and the Spurs won. He should have won MVP, but he wasn't such a famous player. Then in 2005 and on Parker had matured and didn't need a backup. Claxton got some good contracts for playing so well in the 2003 finals, but I don't think he did much!

C Webb deserves a spot on here, especially over Pau. He would be a champ if it weren’t for those damn refs.

@Nootasaur

2 жыл бұрын

“Would” and “is” are two very different things

@ImKarma10

2 жыл бұрын

you are backing up ur statements with hypotheticals.

@henrypope4225

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not a hypothetical it’s a fact go back and watch the calls and they sure af would’ve beat the Nets in the finals

@Nootasaur

2 жыл бұрын

@@henrypope4225 there is no possible way of knowing that so don’t sound so confident and yes what he said he 110% a hypothetical

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

How ? Did u even watch the series. It was rigged for the lakers lol

This list is so good. Great explanations for each one of the positions

Why not put Karl 12 since that his favourite number

@subzerofromny735

2 жыл бұрын

It’s more of 13

@yuhgirlamy5731

2 жыл бұрын

@@subzerofromny735 nah he smashed a 12 year old then when she had the baby she was 13

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

@@yuhgirlamy5731 makes sense lol

@robesterd8132

2 жыл бұрын

@@yuhgirlamy5731 how old was he?

@futerpowerflash8147

2 жыл бұрын

@@robesterd8132 that don’t matter he was a grown man sleeping with a 12/13 year old

Yo Dirk shot 73% from 3 vs KG... Damn😂

Dude your videos have been amazing

So glad i have Pau Gasol some love. Truly underrated.

I agree with the list especially top 6 - 1)Duncan 2)Giannis 3)Dirk , 4)KG 5)Karl and 6)Charles - Solid list , Giannis I believe will become best PF ever when all set and done and top 5 GOAT and at worst Top 10 player of all time

@cebollas2379

2 жыл бұрын

Karl imo is top 3 easily

@angeldust7777

2 жыл бұрын

See if he can lead the bucks for at least 5 more titles

@Blodia1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@cebollas2379 Karl is #3

@rugs777

2 жыл бұрын

@@cebollas2379 no Karl is #13

@jordanbrownlee7667

2 жыл бұрын

No way you put giannis over Dirk lol. But hey everybody got own opinion

“I don’t like Karl Malone” Based af

Giannis got his respect man!

Might as well just put Barkley at Top 5 and "Freaky" Karl Malone at Top 13 🤣

Kevin Garnett vs giannis Would be an insane matchup

@sajalrai2787

2 жыл бұрын

Giannis gon win... Trash Talk doesn't get in his head... KG will destroy himself

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

I'll take giannis

@marcusblack8768

2 жыл бұрын

Yell must never seen KG play KG has no Weaknesses we no Giannis has weaknesses lol where is Giannis better then KG at I will wait if you say offense you a lie and do not know basketball are watch it and the both Of them are Even on the Defensive end so I will wait

@davidkelln9225

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcusblack8768 ok you ready? Giannis is a better shooter, except from the line, better passer, has better handles, and is a better teammate.

@marcusblack8768

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidkelln9225 Yea I know you do not know basketball end of Conversation go look at KG Highlights then come Holler at me lol Giannis do not ever have post up game are Mid range are Free throw line he can’t ever go over I left our right shoulder because if he can do that they would never lose in 2019 are 2020 playoffs so let’s be real and stop playing with me

Dirk, Giannis and Hakeem has the top 3 finials run ova

@ioannish56

2 жыл бұрын

Im sorry but Lebron had the greatest Finals series

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

@@ioannish56 nah. 2011 1994 hakeem were better

@ioannish56

2 жыл бұрын

@@tj5180 I think that Lebrons Comeback from 3-1 against the 73 warriors was Greater

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

@@ioannish56 u can make a case tho. But it's definitely up there. I think 1994 hakeem and 2011 dirk were more impressive

@stayofftheweeeeeeed7249

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry but Giannis got praised by the injury gods in the least competitive playoffs ever.

Great video. Liked and subscribed

Another great list Mustard!!!

@ricoros8259

2 жыл бұрын

cuz he was still growing

Chuck > Malone imo

@reimixo

2 жыл бұрын

@Todd Lerfahndler Malone has more MVPs more All star game MVPs more All star games more All NBA more All defense......

@reimixo

2 жыл бұрын

@Todd Lerfahndler he had more while barkley was playing... 24 to 34 being All NBA 1st and All star is old? Stop hatin on Malone... Shitty person but great player...

@reimixo

2 жыл бұрын

@Todd Lerfahndler u gonna say Jordan didn't win until bird and Magic retired?..... Shaq didn't win until Jordan hakeem Ewing Robinson got old or retired.... LeBron didn't win until the Cs got old... U gonna do that for everyone?....

@trigun442

2 жыл бұрын

@Todd Lerfahndler Malone went to the finals twice and Charles went once. Let that sink in. Also did you know Malone was in the playoffs all his career? Crap human being but basketball wise, you can't say anything about his achievements.

@MOCdude

2 жыл бұрын

@Todd Lerfahndler the 99 MVP really should’ve came down to between Shaq or Tim Duncan instead of Karl Malone… Duncan had the winning aspect + better defense while Shaq’s stats were better than all 3

I love how you give emphasis to the Mavs historic championship run

Love the vid. Very knowledgeable about the game and the fact evolution is a real thing in basketball. U didn’t give old head ass answers lol. It’s okay to disagree with some things but it’s suppose to be a debate but i respect this list strongly. Keep it up.

That list is spot on I do not agree with studio gangster on the 4th but that’s a personal choice your analysis validates most if not all those spots.

Great video and much respect on giving Dirk his well deserved props but I can't believe Dennis Rodman didn't make your list

I’m fine with KG being #4, but the reasoning for him being there is pretty bad. (Instead of him being higher) In 04-05 Garnett led a horrible Timberwolves team to a 44-38 record, but they still didn’t make the playoffs because they were playing in the most stacked western conference of all time. So that season is actually a huge plus on Garnett’s resume if anything. Well then you might ask “what about 05-07”. Well fun fact, only 3 of Garnett’s 17-19 teammates throughout that time period were still in the NBA after 3-4 years. So it was a historically bad supporting cast, (arguably the worst supporting cast a superstar had in NBA history during their prime) and once again not making the playoffs these seasons shouldn’t really be held against him. Not to mention Kareem, Barkley, Kobe, Olajuwon, and Moses Malone all missed the playoffs in their prime as well but no one’s going to (or should) knock down those players for that because it wasn’t their fault. Now you might say Dirk was able to lead bad supporting casts to the playoffs, but however bad they may be KG’s casts were insanely worse.

Great list

This is a amazing list

thank God some respect on Dirk's name! i can accept that at this point, or even in the future if Giannis can and will surpass him, but people forget how good this guy was. great video!

@kohsmoger1567

2 жыл бұрын

Was dirk ever the defender giannis is. And how long did dirk have to wait to win his first and only ring.

@chubbibots

2 жыл бұрын

@@kohsmoger1567 no, but is giannis ever gonna be the offensive player that dirk was? that West was a slugfest every year in the 2000s and early 2010. played against some of the all time great players AND teams.

I love the way he sneaks in Russell WESTBRICK

Pretty damn good list!

Best way of dealing with the horror that is Karl Malome ive seen in one of these listicle vids. Props.

I agree with Karl Malone being at number 5. I was very surprised you put him that low but 100%agreed with that

You say you don't care about longevity, yet say availability is the greatest ability.

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

🤣😂

I know he was never known for scoring, but Dennis Rodman’s 5 championships, Two-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA selection, two-time Defensive Player of the Year, eight-time All-D selection, and Hall of Fame selection at least earns him an honorable mention.

Very good list

Letsss Gooooooo

Giannis is top 3😤 he has the resumé and the god given talent to back it up!

@glennrobinson.377

2 жыл бұрын

1 ) Tim Duncan. 2 ) Karl Malone. 3 ) Charles Barkley. 4 ) Giannis. 5 ) Dirk Nowitzki.

@yuhgirlamy5731

2 жыл бұрын

@@glennrobinson.377 if Charles had a ring maybe

@glennrobinson.377

2 жыл бұрын

@@yuhgirlamy5731 Giannis Adetokunbo beat the injured Nets and 36-year-old Chris Paul. Charles Barkley played in the Nba Finals against Prime Michael Jordan and Scotte Pippen.

@SMILEY-cy7eh

2 жыл бұрын

@@glennrobinson.377 that really doesn’t matter at the end of the day. If he doesn’t have a ring, he doesn’t have a ring. That’s how people are always gonna look at it.

@michaelthomas1087

2 жыл бұрын

@@glennrobinson.377 get Charles tf outta that please

Finnaly respect for my man giannis

Timmy!!! As if there was any doubt. Great list.

Yessuh

I would put Giannis in 2 also, definitely has done more than who's below him

@mike04574

2 жыл бұрын

?? few more seasons maybe

@avivgamingil3434

2 жыл бұрын

Why? no one behind him in the list accomplished more than him, tell me another PF that accomplish more than Giannis has besides Tim Duncan?

@stayofftheweeeeeeed7249

2 жыл бұрын

@@avivgamingil3434 Dirk, Barkley, Malone, Garnett

@cryptic9807

2 жыл бұрын

@@stayofftheweeeeeeed7249 (before I start I’d like to say your name is very ironic) Giannis has 2 MVPs, a DPOY, and a championship, with the context of the greatest close out game in finals history and one of the most dominant games on either side of the court EVER in game 6. KG was great, but never put up stat lines of 50 12 and 5 blocks in a game in general, let along a close out finals game. Dirk was great, and a amazing scorer, but his defense was decent at best, Giannis single handedly shut down a offense of Devin Booker, Chris Paul, and a stupidly deep bench full of knockdown shooters, with Deandre Ayton to pressure the post. To put it simply, Giannis is the most dominant player on both sides of the court since Michael Jordan, and that’s no overstatement

@avivgamingil3434

2 жыл бұрын

@@stayofftheweeeeeeed7249 1. Dirk won only 1 MVP, Giannis won 2 MVPs (one of them being with the highest PER of all time!!) and it was back to back seasons, also as much as spectacular Dirk's championship run was, it wasn't as spectacular as Giannis' who average 35-13-5 and in the close out game scored 50 points in one of the greatest performence in finals history. 2. Garrnet, same as Dirk, only won 1 MVP compare to the 2 MVPs of Giannis, also he to join a superteam to win his ring, also had alot of first round exits 3. Barkley, hasn't won a ring, and also, same as Dirk and Garrnet only has 1 MVP. 4. Malone, hasn't won a ring. So compare to all of these guys, don't get me wrong all of them are all-time great power-fowards, but Giannis has a better resume than all of them already at 26 years old!!!, also non of those guys was so dominate like Giannis. the only power-foward that has a better resume than Giannis is Tim Duncan.

Good list. Giannis & Duncan gonna hover over 1&2 for the next 20 years

Man I forgot how athletic Chuck was insane!

AD is not top 8 at least because almost all the pfs are MVP level and most of them had better postseason sucess

@Chillboyhaad

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah this guy obviously just threw this list together for views

@John_Bourdakos

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chillboyhaad Other than ad , what didnt you agree with.

yo Mustard! do a list on the top peaks of all time set it to a 3 year span, factor in stats, dominance, accolades and team success. It’d be a hit for sure!!

@reimixo

2 жыл бұрын

Johnny Arnett did 5y and 10y

@keepjohn3188

2 жыл бұрын

Giannis for sure 2018-21

@nolengerwer3517

2 жыл бұрын

You should watch “Thinking Basketball” the channel. They have an entire series about the greatest peaks in the history of basketball.

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

@@nolengerwer3517 by ben taylor ?

@nolengerwer3517

2 жыл бұрын

@@tj5180 yeah

Whoever did the thumbnail u did a great job

Karl Malone leads all Power Forwards in total Points, Rebounds, Assists & Blocks. He also has the most All NBA First Teams by a Power Forward in history and was the highest overall scorer of the 90s decade while still being a regular All Defensive selection. He has more MVPs (2) & Finals Appearances (3) than Dirk, Charles and KG as well. If we aren’t going scrutinize the personal lives and magnify the controversies of other players such as Kobe and Hakeem, we shouldn’t do it to Karl either, no matter how abhorrent his off the court actions were. Let’s not be hypocritical.

I’d shift KG up to 2. I don’t think you really understand how bad the timberwolves were when KG was there. Nor was the comparison of KG and Dirk. Did you really see how deep the 2002 Mavs were. Chauncey is not on Steve nashes level. Michael Finley and Nick Van excel were on different tiers from the rest of the timberwolves team. Until KG went to Boston he didn’t half a decent roster. Go look at dirk during the mid 2000’s. The Mavs consistently underperformed. Where was the mention he got knocked out in the 1st round as the 1 seed? The 2011 finals Dirk couldn’t even hit 40% of his shots in half of the games including game 6. Remember us was Jason Terry in game 6 that provided the clutch offense while Dirk shot .333 fg. Sorry it just felt like KG got hit big time for any knock on his career while Dirk got glossed over.

i love giannis.. he’s not #2 yet

@hatim289

2 жыл бұрын

Who u have at #2

@prodk4

2 жыл бұрын

Hätïm سقرآط kevin garnett, he got a chip, mvp, dpoy as well with more all star appearances and more accolades. i think giannis will pass if he win another ring. for me it’s up for debate for #3 dirk and giannis

@kohsmoger1567

2 жыл бұрын

Listen KG got a chip with two other hall of gamers. Never won shit on his original team. Giannis has accomplished more than KG and a quarter of the time

@prodk4

2 жыл бұрын

Koh Smoger giannis has 1 mvp on him and that’s it.. everything else they either both have or kg has more of lmfao. and even the ring thing, they played a team who ran through an injured west in their first run together😂

🔥🔥🔥 video and beat man! What’s the name of the beat?

I have to say I've always been a KG over Dirk beleiver but your argument for Sirk has me questioning if I should change my ranking. Great vid!

@dezsi114

Жыл бұрын

Bro you drunk?? It's dirk or Timmy for number 1 .. Me personally dirk is my favorite but since KG played for Boston I had to love him regardless

Also in 2020 giannis has the highest PER in nba history

@Minimal444

2 жыл бұрын

PER is a flawed stat. PER formula starts with "(1 / MP) *" MP = Minutes played. It does not take into account pace of the team. And 2020 Bucks was the fastest team in the season with insane pace of 105.1, 2nd came the Rockets with 103.7. In fact 2019-2020 Bucks was the fastest paced team in the last 30 years, since 1990-1991 Denver Nuggets. Hence Giannis could do more in less minutes driving his PER way up. Jordan's 31.71 PER with 95.5 pace in 1987-88 season is more impressive, what is more impressive is LeBron's 31.67 PER with pace of 88.7 in 2008-09 season.

@tankjackson698

2 жыл бұрын

@@Minimal444 good point, but it is what is

I honestly think Barkley was better than Malone

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

They both have a arguement but I think malone is better.

@yuhgirlamy5731

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@manuelshaul9244

Жыл бұрын

He was and he's really number one. Nobody played that position better than Barkley

14:50 "Russell Westbrick" 😂😂😂😂

Honorable mentions-Slept on-Underrated PF’s: Chris Webber/ Rasheed Wallace/ Amar’e Stoudemire/ Zach Randolph/ Otis Thorpe/ Buck Williams/ Maurice Stokes/ Jerry Lucas/ Charles Oakley/ James Worthy (sometimes SF)/ Horace Grant/ Terry Cummings/ Larry Nance/ David West Gianni’s @ #2 already 😬😬😬 idk bout that one I’ll put KG or Dirk at the #2 (it’s just my opinion) don’t flame me lol I’m just saying. And I know the only ones that’s not going to agree with this is mostly the younger generation which is totally understandable. (And no I’m not a old head)

Give KG a decent team with a real chance of winning....he's the #1 PF of all time. Rings is main reason he's not #1.....and his peak is the best PF of all time

@rolandmcdonald9302

2 жыл бұрын

Timmy still would be the better player he's a better scorer and their neck and neck in defense

@RealCGH

2 жыл бұрын

@@rolandmcdonald9302 tim Duncan is the best defensive player in history imo.

@dansheshe8039

2 жыл бұрын

@@RealCGH bill Russell is better

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

@@RealCGH bill Russell says hi

@RealCGH

2 жыл бұрын

@@dansheshe8039 that's fine, I still think Tim better tho

Giannis is the 2nd best PF of All Time. His resume is proof of that. Not only that, the only PF's to close out with a HISTORICAL Game Clinching Finals Performance is Giannis(2021) and Tim Duncan(2003). That's it! Only those two! You can't name another

@cyrillesu

2 жыл бұрын

Bob Pettit did close out the 1958 Finals with a 50-piece on Bill Russell so yeah.

@Chillboyhaad

2 жыл бұрын

Please stop with the recency bias

@ericdupree8603

2 жыл бұрын

Valid point. Regardless my point is it's extremely rare to accomplish. Malone, Dirk, KG, or Barkley who's in most people's Top 5 didn't do what neither of those 3 accomplished. Still it was in the 50's

@ericdupree8603

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chillboyhaad No recency. All facts. No PF on I mentioned (Malone, Barkley, KG, or Dirk) had a close out game like that in their career. Plus Giannis has a piece on his resume that those other 4 don't have whether its a chip(Barkley, Malone), FMVP(KG, Malone, Barkley), DPOY(Malone, Barkley, Dirk, or multiple MVPS(KG, Dirk, Barkley). Giannis hasvall of it

@nonamewillbegiven9989

Жыл бұрын

@@ericdupree8603 delusional

Criteria: LEADING a team to an NBA championship, MVP awards, and overall ability. Most of all though, how far do they move the needle? How well do they effect the game in all phases (scoring, passing, playing without the ball, rebounding, defense, and leadership / communication)? Did they play a style that was conducive to winning? 10. Elvin Hayes 9. Kevin McHale 8. Anthony Davis 7. Charles Barkley 6. Kevin Garnett 5. Karl Malone 4. Bob Pettit 3. Giannis Antetokounmpo 2. Dirk Nowitzki 1. Tim Duncan

Tim! Thank you.

Giannis not on Dirk or KG level. He belongs in the top 5 but not 3 yet

@cvkg7015

2 жыл бұрын

giannis has 2 mvps and 1 ring at 26. dirk has 1 ring for his career and KG didnt do shit as the centerpiece for his team. so idk what level you mean

@deanoss777

2 жыл бұрын

He’s had a better career than KG and Dirk already at 26. You’re ignorant or one of those longevity guys if you think he’s not on Dirk’s level.

@nickbrooks1283

2 жыл бұрын

@@deanoss777 Dirk’s 2011 playoff run is more valuable than anything Giannis has ever done. Stop overhyping a 7ft dunker

@nickbrooks1283

2 жыл бұрын

@@cvkg7015 both years he won mvp he exited in 1st or 2nd round. Had to be saved by KD giant ass feet to win a ring

@deanoss777

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickbrooks1283 You calling him a dunker just means you’re a hater. Get ready for this dunker to dominate the next decade. And btw, Giannis’ ring this year is up there with Dirks in 2011

Most underrated youtuber

It's amazing how much this position on the floor has progressed in the modern era. The 4 spot used to be almost worthless. There were good players, but nothing like the past 30 years or so. I remember in the 90s having discussion about who the best PF of all time was Karl Malone or Barkley. Since then, the 4 on this list plus, you could certainly add Amare Stoudemire as well. I agree on Giannis. He's probably the 2nd best already. Of course he's got a ways to go to catch Duncan, but he's done more than any other PF.

honestly i love how u gave respect to the players in the 60s even though the competition wasnt that great

I think you were actually a bit unfair to Karl Malone. There's a lot more nuance to his case than "The guy likes little kids", and there was a lot of racism and media bias during his case.

@nbanow9612

2 жыл бұрын

Like what nuance

Giannis is easily 5 but not top 2 nor 3 yet. Already is top 30-35 of all time

@davidepoian9758

2 жыл бұрын

He's not any lower than 3 only Duncan and Dirk are better, he easily clears anyone else.

@khalilscott3921

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidepoian9758 agreed he definitely 3 with Dirk at 2 and Tim Duncan at 1

@The_king567

Жыл бұрын

He will be the greatest when he’s done

Your top 5 was dope

The most accurate list on KZread. Just impossible to debate. Giannis might be number one with a few more rings and mvps...

Tim second best player ever

@stopplzs

2 жыл бұрын

19 & 10 for a career while load managing for the second half of your career? Yeah I don’t think so. Duncan is so overrated

@yuhgirlamy5731

2 жыл бұрын

Hell no 😭😭😭

@yuhgirlamy5731

2 жыл бұрын

@@stopplzs facts

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

@@stopplzs how does that make him overrated lol ? Those aren't bad averages at all

@Akash043

2 жыл бұрын

W

Thank you for putting Dirk's name on blast. A lot of people.dont understand how stacked that Miami Heat team is, for me it's possibly the cheapest or 2nd cheapest super team ever created. For a lone superstar in 1 team with a bunch of role players to demolish that superteam. That shows how loyal a player is to the organization and show that they don't need a super team to WIN IT ALL.

@kenesealo7982

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not saying it was completely fair but it wasn't as lopsided as your putting it. Miami had 2 superstars with one all-star and some pretty good role players. Dallas had one superstar with like 10 REALLY good roleplayers. Probably greatest performance by role players all time. There were so many role players playing like animals. Jason terry, jj barea, shawn marion, deshawn stevenson, peja, caron butler, haywood, tyson chandler, Jason kidd, corey brewer etc

You said it well about my favorite player of all time...it was really the greatest playoff run of all time... Dirk carry the team dallas through the finals with some bunch role player hardly... Love Dirk so much.. 41 21 1

Giannas is the only person in nba history to get an MIP , MVP ,DPOY and FMVP I think it’s well deserved he gets 2nd behind Tim Duncan

Kg over dirk. Kg can play defense.

@09lowkey

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention KG's 4 Rebounding titles vs Dirk never averaging 10 rebounds his whole career.

@mandark5789

2 жыл бұрын

but Dirk Cooked Kg in their matchups...It's not always about defense you can't say Jimmy Butler is better player than Steph because Steph can't play defense.

This video is gonna cause controversy because Giannis just win the chip 😂😂😂

@hueyfreeman1178

2 жыл бұрын

He has a better resume than everybody below him at only 26 bruh what more do you want🤣🤣🤣 it's not even controversial that's the crazy thing and we all know giannis will only get better and who knows if he gets a jumpshot🤷🏿‍♂️

The greek freak will be the greatest pf of all time. Mark my words. The greek god is the beast and the best superstar in the NBA and the future face of the NBA

@dominickwilliams3757

2 жыл бұрын

Dude is on the path to be the greatest player of all time. Not saying he’s getting their but he’s on the path

I like your choices, especially your top three arguments. The only guys you left off that really deserve some consideration towards the back are Elvin Hayes and Bob McAdoo, the best PFs of the 70's (Though Bob played a lot at the 5), and Chris Webber, who I think is very comparable to a guy like McHale or Gasol

@sebastianleung2897

Жыл бұрын

Bob McAdoo is such an interesting player, his best years were at center wherehe might occasionally run PF with Kevin Kunnert. I watched some clips of him vs the Bullets(there was a game he dropped 50 pts and 20 rebs which is crazy and i can't believe we got the whole 2 hrs on youtube). He moves so differently than many of his fellow rival centers. He runs and shoots like a forward(specifically a small forward) than a big. Dude is ahead of his time, he plays like a center version of kevin durant that handles the ball slightly less and more post defense despite the stats never favor his defense

@nomorepartiezz

Жыл бұрын

dennis rodman too

Tim Duncan wasn't a Power Forward. Has everyone forgotten Popovich's quote from 2011 when asked who the Spurs were starting at Center? "Tim Duncan, like we have for the last 15 years.”

@henrypope4225

2 жыл бұрын

Fax he spent the majority of his career at center

@gavinbaker9938

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly think the reason most people don’t put him as a center like he actually was, is because without Timmy, let’s be honest the power forwards list is incredibly lacking compared to the other 4 so he makes it a competitive spot, either that or people just look at 2k for their basketball info😂 Edit: no disrespect to the other players mentioned they’re all great, I meant In terms of resume. As great as they all are none of them are close to Tim who has a dark horse case for the GOAT convo and the only person with a shot of getting There is Giannis and I’m not even sure if he will, as incredible as he is.

@henrypope4225

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavinbaker9938 it might also be that his best season was at PF in 03 when he carried his team to a ring

@gavinbaker9938

2 жыл бұрын

@@henrypope4225 definitely, while a lot of people would say he didn’t really have a peak per say, I’d argue he did, and that was 2003. He was on a whole different level from the competition that year

Solid top 10, as you said you could debate 2, 3 and 4. Also I would take peak Barkley over peak Malone and peak KG. Even though he wasn't as good defensively as the other two, he could take over games and play-off series similar to Dirk. Also I would argue peak C-Webb from 1999 to 2003 was better than Pau Gasol.

@demorik6794

2 жыл бұрын

I def agree Webber was better than Pau. If Webber was in place of Pau on those Laker teams they prob would've beat Boston both times.

I only watch these videos to see what players get disrespected the most.

No Rodman, there is no power forward list correct without him. His impact on a game is unbelievable.

Giannis is too 3 but I think he’s 3 tho you can argue two but he’s 26 give him 5 years and he’s no question he’ll be better than dirk and kg

@RealCGH

2 жыл бұрын

@The Unknown he gotta do quite a bit to get in front of Timmy

@09lowkey

2 жыл бұрын

@The Unknown Tim Duncan was Top 5 at his position through 3 different eras and has 5 rings to show for it. Giannis could catch him but I don't see that happening.

@user-wr9mk1tm6l

2 жыл бұрын

@@09lowkey it’s hard to pass Timmy, but I gonna say their is still a little chance

@jasonmoukala8909

2 жыл бұрын

@The Unknown he ain’t gonna be 1

I got kg over dirk because he was a 2 way player and had way less help than dirk. Otherwise another excellent list

I got these two players in the top ten power forwards.Chis Webber,21pt & 10reb at 48% for his career & George McGinnis 20pt & 11reb for career,25 & 13 while in A.B.A.

I really enjoyed this video and your analysis. Yes, no doubt TD is a top10 player of all time

Let’s be honest, Giannis might be top 2, and he’s easily top 3

This list is horrible, using the it was 1950 no talent and less teams really sucks to put that against Bob is bad like look at his career and kg is too high not better than Malone

@tj5180

2 жыл бұрын

Are u good ? KG is better then malone and there was talent in the 50s and less teams didn't make the league weak

I guess McHale's in the right spot, though I might move him up a bit. In the old style NBA, where people posted up in the paint more, no one had more moves and better timing under the basket.

Imo Duncan is more of a Center than a PF.