Christo, I really like the natural balance, weight shift, and pivot I obtain from the OTT. I feel like my entire body is swinging in a tighter & faster circular motion, but with even more accuracy and less grunt force than before. I am a My Swing Evolution member since Feb 2022 and have enjoyed the extra insights from your videos. This week I played my 1st game with the OTT and got stronger through the round. I usually degrade by the end of the round because I get tired and lose my form. I think the OTT method for mid irons/woods and your short game method is going to be a game changer for me in 2022. My goal this year is to get into the high 70's and attend a My Swing Evolution golf clinic in 2022. You approach the game like a martial artist (Student for Life).

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Jim! Thank you for the thoughtful comment. I'm so happy for you. Yes, on these drives I feel like I'm pulling my forces inward, where before they'd get thrown outward if that makes any sense. Not unlike the pirouettes I referred to.

@thomasfraser9072

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Christo is the best of the rest.

I am really buying into this and will implement this year. When I first started playing golf in the late 1970s, I was taught by my instructor the "3 Ps", as he called them: Pull the club to the inside on the takeaway, Pick the hands up at the top of the backswing and Push the club down the line on the downswing. I reached my pick in the mid 1980s, until life happened and I was forced to quit golf a a couple of times. When I returned to playing regularly, I found a couldn't resume my playing level, so I went for numerous lessons and my swing was ruined as each instructor attempted to give me a more rotational modern swing, having me focus on twisting my torso against a quiet lower body and turning around it. I felt like I no longer had a swing, but a movement that, if I don't perform correctly results in getting stuck and lot of low hooks. Your videos on OTT have inspired me to try and recreate my original swing.

Tried the Miracle swing today and love how simple it is, powerful and consistent ! Yes over the top of the back backswing! Great find, thank you for sharing!!

Good stuff Christo...interesting that Mike Austin taught the release from the top method since 1930's and advocated keeping the muscles in a supple not active and tense state. David Duval advocated the same feeling in his swing in a golf channel demonsration. While he stated it may not be what it looks like when watching his swing it is what he felt. I call this my trap and sling move. This all came together when I really focused on opening my hips through the impact zone. The swing feels more like a spoke traveling around a wheel or arc and it progresses into a balanced finish. As in your video, I am truly able to relax the muscles, free them from tension and feel the centrifugal force at the clubhead, another Mike Austin attribute of the golf swing.

Dude, this actually WORKS!! It’s so simple too. Single handedly, the easiest swing model/thought/etc. Nicely done!

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Right??? Out of all the golf tips and lessons, this is the secret of secrets! 🤫

Love your enthusiasm & dissection of the traditional golf swing, forget the haters Christo & keep doing what you’re doing 🏌️‍♂️ bought the video & working it in to my swing ⛳️

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic, Graham. Keep us up to date on how it goes and what you discover!!!

I left an email yesterday about seeing a OTT video and I tried it in my backyard mat , took it to the range today and it went well. Just a little in side and just a natural over the top and a better trajectory…just swing , it works on all clubs

Great Content. Just got your video. Can’t wait to try it out. When setting up for the driver, where do locate the ball in your stance and the heights of the tee?

My Swing REVOLUTION!!! You are on the right side of history. Keep it up!!! BTW, something you said reminded me of the work you did with Victor Rodriguez. I went back and watched one of those videos where he talks about the Sam Snead move in one of your intensives and darn I think he was doing this deep inside OTT. I've started working on this. It's working. More natural and athletic move.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

For sure. Victor had one of the best swings I've ever seen in person. Amazing.

Finally you defined it!!! It has been very "vague" up to now. Ok.... over the top of the plane of the backswing...much more specific. Now how does the idea of going left relate to this. Can you go Over the Top and still extend the club more down the line or is going left part of it?

Anyone struggle to use this type swing with irons. Due to some limited flexibility in my back and shoulders I've always come way over the top with my irons. An instructor checked my right shoulders flexibility and said you're a naturally vertical swinger as opposed to a more horizontal like Hogan. By using the mental image of my right hand punching the ball at impact I've been able to achieve a consistent draw and much more consistent accuracy as well as greatly increased distance. Just wondering if anyone else does well with woods but struggles with the irons with this. Thank you SE for all your hard work. Love your videos!!!

Swing looks great Christo. Thanks for the video.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Paul. It's feeling pretty good right now!

Amen Christo!!!! It WORKS!!!! Off the tee! In the fairway!!!! Chipping/pitching!!!! Keep it up. You are bold and courageous and stepping outside the "conventional wisdom" where all MAJOR advances occur:-)

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, my friend. 🙏🏻

@mrsmartypants_1

2 жыл бұрын

Bold and courageous is right. Additionally Christo backs it up with superb analysis and knowledge of the swing.

You are correct, Christo, in your definition of OTT. The downswing plane is more steep than the backswing plane, or over the backswing plane, in your words. It’s pretty simple, really. Jim McLean’s video of Bruce L’s swing is classic. It is must watch for golf fans who are swing geeks.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Are we swing geeks? 🤔 You betcha!!!

Great swing !

When I attempt the OTT Move, I get a slight fade. Is there a certain amount of hand/wrist turning over to square help square the club face?

Hi Christo. Again another thought provoking video and the responses? I am loving it In my opinion Hogan knew he was an upper body swinger; but, kept it a secret telling everyone in his book to start their downswing with their lower body and letting the arms drop. No swinging over the top of his backswing would be even possible if what he taught was what he did. And yet slow motion of his swing proved beyond a reasonable doubt that his book was « do what I say and not what I do. »He took this to his grave. Remember? This is clearly not what he did. He like most professional male golfers actively use the limited 20 degrees range of motion of their trail shoulder throughout their swing with their upper body strength, swinging their club with their hands and arms over the top of their backswing that actually quickly shallows their club plane for the head of their club to connect directly to their ball at impact; all the while allowing their lower body from the hips and down to the ground to be reactive to their upper body strength during the entire time they are swinging their club. This is exactly what you are doing now: not what Hogan taught; but what he actually did. And so am I. Think about it. Cheers ❤️😃⛳️👍👍

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

I go back and forth on what Hogan taught. He clearly said he had some secrets he didn't reveal. The important thing about this particular video is my lower body is working great and I'm no longer focusing on what it's doing. The lower body is reacting to where my club head is. Good stuff.

@thomasfraser9072

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiracleSwingExperience when you told me your feet were reactive and that your trail heel just happens in the end gave me a clue what you were doing. The figure eight or diagonal X factor as I like to call it is limited to the 20 degree ROM of the shoulders This told me you are a great upper body swinger of the club with lower body reaction from your hips down to the ground and now so am I; and starting my downswing with the push of my trail shoulder to my target it makes it impossible for me or any to do the bad OTT. Cheers ❤️👍😃⛳️🥂

Can you hit a draw with this? I have struggled to regain my ability to hit draws with my driver. It has eluded me for awhile now. My miss is a push slice or slice. The pull it in part is something I want to experiment with though as I have always when trying to hit a draw pulled the club out and around me rather than up.

It's an important fact to state the legs and hips are what move the club into the appearance of an OTT swing. While the hands may be above the plane of the backswing it is caused by the slide and turning open of the hips. I don't it works without them sequenced in the proper chain action as Ben liked to say, does it Christo?.

Sweet...Pretty cool you used the Knudson quote...Bravo ! 👍🇨🇦 Remember to mention the end of it. You need to releax to play golf...Tension free ! You as a former dancer you would know that your muscles work better if they are not too tight. The same goes for the golf swing. Tension free....allows for better rhythm and balance. Your swing looks amazing mon ami.. 👏👏👏👍🥂🇨🇦.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Hi J.P. Thank you for the quote! And, thank you for being a part of My Swing Evolution. It's truly a team effort and support group. We're all getting better and preserving this wonderful game, together!

@j.p.montpellier3834

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiracleSwingExperience Pleasure..👍. Agreed we're all in it together. Thanks for allowing us to share in your journey to better golf and moreover for giving us ways via your content... how we can improve ourselves. Bravo ! 👏 👏👏 Last thing...as for the critics. You never see statues about them...you only see statues of those who try to make things better for others. Don't despair you're in great company. Progress is a good thing ! ❤️ya ! 👏👏👏😁👍🥂

How is the trail arm staying close to your side on the downswing?

Great stuff Christo! If you haven’t already, check out Macdonald Smith and Wild Bill Mehlhorn! Hogan studied both players intently while perfecting his craft and is even reported to have said that Mehlhorn was one of the finest strikers of the golfball from tee to green that he’s ever seen. Cheers! 😎

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Great classic OTT swingers for sure. They have amazing swings and I'll make a video with them soon!!! Thanks for the suggestion!

@his_dudeness6179

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiracleSwingExperience Looking forward to it!

Hit about 10 hosel rockets before getting the path down, after that pretty solid. Needed to really take it inside on the backswing

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Next time out, I’m going to try and max out how inside I can go!

It works! I just need to control the hook a little bit.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

I did, too. I suggest moving the ball forward an inch or two. Feels crazy at first but stay on top of it and the ball will go straight!

Christo I have been binge watching your content. Please keep it up! I’m a little stuck from the inside hitting pull slices or push slices! Club keep speed with driver around 120 with ball speed around 170. What is your thoughts on spacing to the ball? Should your arms be more extended out in setup?

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

With driver I reach out a little bit. However, with a wedge since there is a lot of forward shaft lean at impact, I set up with my hands close to my body.

@thomasfraser9072

2 жыл бұрын

My thought is for the downswing is to simply push with my trail shoulder towards my target. Try it and all your shots should be great. Cheers ❤️👍😃⛳️🥂

@frankleemartin54

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasfraser9072 - I had the same issues and found those type of misses happened when my hips stopped moving toward and opening to the target from a shift of focus to the arms which created tension in the swing causing an early or late flip. past the lower body. One thing that all the greats strikers had was an extended slide and turn toward the target and advocated the hips and lower body were the engine of the swing. From the backswing to the follow through if you watched Hogan and Knutson on the grid background they moved aproximately12 to 15 inches to the left. Knutson could do this because of his wide stance which Hogan also advocated depending on the club shaft length as the stance should narrow or widen depending radius of the arc. What a sweet blend of art and science this is to a lifelong pursuit of continuous improvement.

@thomasfraser9072

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankleemartin54 don’t know if you tried on your downswing pushing your trail shoulder towards your intended target or not. But to do this successfully for your backswing you must first pull back the club with your trail shoulder These to steps are truly that simple as long as you allow your lower body from your hips, knees and feet on the ground to become reactive to your upper body swing. Cheers

I notice that you use the jumbo max grips, why is that?

You said before that the "right elbow under" was the key.... are you saying it's not now?

Like the Snead squat a lot of things with your legs is very moe Norman also no wonder you are hitting it good

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

The best part is they are happening naturally.

Maybe I missed it in a previous video...when did you stop hitting a Hogan driver, and why?

Christo’s local pal Brendon of “Be Better Golf” put together a competition with a 5’9” teaching pro with a 180mph ball speed and a 6’5” aspiring long driver with a 200+mph ball speed, and the competition was based on an algorithm with a penalty of minus yards for a drive more than 20 yards to right or left of center... the 5’9” pro won easily. Long but wild ball flight just won’t get you to a low score.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, Billy. That's a cool game that Brendon put together. Very cool!

Christo, do feel as if the clubhead reaches maximum speed out in front of the ball, swinging/throwing down and out? Would you be so kind as to go over the most important 4 inches? I’m not clear on that. Oh, and by the way, who cares WHAT you call it?! It is soooo naturally powerful and simple…! Thank you 👍🏽!

Love the lag 9:35 looks really good

There is a reason these guys did not drop it under the plane. If you look at the irons they played, they all had really long hosels which moves the COG heel side. Modern irons have the COG dead center. That little “up, down and out” move was the best way to hit the sweet spot on the irons for pure contact. Go hit a 1967 MacGregor VIP forged blade and get back to me.

Jordan Spieth makes an exaggerated OTT practice move before many of his shots.

Most people confuse over the top with casting the club, big difference.

There are two ways to get over the top hands over the top with correctly paced body turn or shoulders spinning out. One is bad one is good

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

I talk about this in the video The Over the Top Miracle Swing. You have to "Earn your Turn."

Jack Nicklaus said this many years ago. I believe it was in “Golf my way”…..YOU CAN NOT RELEASE THE CLUB FROM THE TOP TOO SOON, IF YOU LEAD WITH THE HIPS. He wrote that was precisely how he hit his longest drives.

The confusion most people have is OTT is the throwing of the right hand but your reasoning is hand in downswing over hand in back swing. In Hogan's 5 lessons he states that downswing plane should be lower than back swing plane and NEVER about anything OTT. Now you are describing Hogan swing as OTT. Maybe hand path and shaft path is the reason. In your OTT the hand is steeper but the shaft return inside to the ball whereas the bad OTT has the shaft return outside to the ball. Please elaborate.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Well, you said it yourself. There's a difference between good and bad OTT. I'm not sure if Hogan knew he was OTT or not.

Christo, this reminds me of Brad Hughes who says the backswing doesn’t matter. I think he’s dead right. As long as the club comes into the ball on a pretty functional path and plane, it’s irrelevant how you got there - especially if you can do it consistently. You just have too look at the different backswings on tour.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

That's great Simon. The thing I would point out is that in the early days of pro golf up to the mid-century you did not see different backswings. They almost all took the club back to the inside and up. That's what blew my mind about the OTT Miracle Swing research!

@frankleemartin54

2 жыл бұрын

Raymond Floyd had an exaggerated inside over swing. For so long I didn't understand how he could hit the ball so well, now I do understand.

You look like you have a closed driver stance or is that an optical illusion?

on your third shot the tee flys backward and hits camera

For 40 years they have been teaching shallow the club, inside out, now OTT? This was originally my natural swing. OMG

If it’s as easy as you make it look I’m in.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

It's been a long journey, but worth every single second, Wayne. Give it shot!

Did you check out Seve Ballesteros as another OTT example. Here’s a great video of him hitting irons on a driving range. He definitely takes it instead and is on top in the downswing. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4ho0ZmcitHAaNY.html

Precision beats power

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

I'm trying to remind myself you can't win with one shot, but you can lose with one bad shot.

Now I understand what is meant by getting the club in front of you...this does that without consciously trying to do it

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely, my friend. The drills I'm making and the video OTT Miracle Swing discuss this in the "Earn Your Turn" section. You should check it out!

It's easier to do this if your hands are on the low side at address.

The reason why the common over the top swing doesn’t work is because most am s fan the club open- it will not work if u fan it open off the ball

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

That’s definitely makes it harder to hit a decent shot

I noticed that most of these guys actually take it inside far more than you're doing atm. If you look at Bobby Jones from the fairway view...that club is way inside. Have a look at the Channel Lock swing created by an Aussie bloke JH (John Hensby)...he's essentially done this OTT swing but plays everything from the back foot. I'll attach a link. I play like this now and I've dropped 3-4 shots a round from a 11 to a 7 hcap. I rarely miss the fairway and my shot always starts in the same direction--every time. I was struggling with your video (shanking a lot) and eventually just said --stuff this...I'm pulling this club deep inside while keeping the clubface square. Compressed, flush shots. I hit a 2 iron 205 meters and I'm 59. kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4uDptKTZ5e9oMo.html

It's just not true, that "IF" the hands are further away from the body in the "proximity" of contact (above where they were at address) that equates to being over the top, even if this OTT is a re-definition of the "traditional" OTT. The key missing piece that refutes; The MASS of the clubhead will "almost" always carry the hands higher in the downswing near impact. The clubhead mass often, but not always, pulls bent joints straight. Among those joints included are; Wrists, elbows and shoulders. So very much like a object of mass on a string, the faster it is spun, the straighter the string becomes. We know this is true, and can be easily tested for by putting a straight-edge ruler on the club-shaft in this video at address, and then keep it there all the way until impact. What we will see is the shaft plane of the club is higher than at address. That means, in the context of this topic, the hands HAD to be under an influence of a force, or the plane was intentionally manipulated. There are caveats, as some players "intentionally" counter-act these forces and the joints remain bent longer. Regardless, those forces generally are building throughout the downswing, and usually the longer the club the more the hands will rise. Now, IF the player is intentionally raising the plane then ok, that's great and there's nothing wrong with it, especially if the results are good. But honestly, giving this a different name would be better and eliminate confusion. As always, all the best, love the content!

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

What would you call it? 🤔

@zero2herogolf

2 жыл бұрын

​@@MiracleSwingExperience Excellent question. As OTT minimally would include a change in path, not just plane. Meaning the clubhead MUST travel outside a well defined line, usually the target line, and then come back across it. What you are describing is a change in plane. Clearly Ben Hogan, Sammy Snead, and many others did not normally cross the target line and then come back inside of it, UNLESS it was intentional, probably to shape the shot. So inside, up and over "the plane". It has occurred to me that there have been GREAT players who started there downswing with their upper body, BUT then resync'd with the lower body quickly and STILL came from the inside. Annika Sorenstam is an example of this, she has a small upper body move FIRST, hardly noticable but it's there. So from that perspective these players are OTT for a few brief moments, but then get it all taken care of long before impact. Now compare her to Craig Stadler that you mentioned. He is definitely OTT in the traditional sense. I'd coin the phrase, Over the Plane ("OTP") - Much better 🙂 God bless Christo!

@keplerts

2 жыл бұрын

@@MiracleSwingExperience Bill (Billy) Harmon simply called it "In-and-Over" in his articles for Golf Illustrated back in the mid 1990's. He referenced Sam Snead and Bruce Lietzke. He said they were both basically "Pull" hitters.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

@@zero2herogolf Thank you for your thoughts, and that is a much more clear. I appreciate it.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

@@keplerts That's great, Tom. I appreciate it!

Seem some are focusing on the name not the definition !

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

Crazy right? What if I called it the Chocolate Sauce Swing? Maybe they wouldn't get so bent out of shape! LOL

David Duvall swings this way.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

He definitely said you have to play from “on top of the plane” in that special with Charlie Reimer.

It’s over the top from the inside

@temporarystranger95

2 жыл бұрын

Dang, that sounds familiar. I’m trying to remember where I first heard that? Mike Malaska? Maybe, but I cannot recall.

@MiracleSwingExperience

2 жыл бұрын

100% correct from my POV.