Love this channel. Not afraid to talk the truth. No bs . Total respect .

@cky7765

7 ай бұрын

Yes sir

@JBS7551

7 ай бұрын

agreed

The Lalas Brothers have quickly become my favourite place to talk about strongman. Actually speaks their opinion and that's the opinion of an Arnold's winner and one of the strongest to never win WSM. Thank you for staying involved in Strongman.

@JBS7551

7 ай бұрын

Agreed! No bias here

Hope Trey makes full recovery. Hes a beast. Great job guys.

@aeis3007

7 ай бұрын

New Achilles tendon surgeries are way better. He will be back in a year i believe.

@unahaclosp

7 ай бұрын

Trey was my pick for the win.

This is the realest strongman channel now

@jamesg1501

7 ай бұрын

True, other than mateusz kieliskowski and novikovs channels the rest are pathetic grown babies, tom stoltman makes me vomit with his soyness

@slightlyautisticedwardhall8327

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I appreciate their honest opinions on the competition and how it could of been better. This is a awesome channel and I hope they continue putting out videos like these.

@EVO6-

7 ай бұрын

Big Loz is good too

@markovasil1608

7 ай бұрын

Yeah couldn’t agree more, fantastic strongman podcast 💪

@JBS7551

7 ай бұрын

​@@EVO6-He was good until he got biased to Hooper and also cannot honestly call out rogue/giants due to being basically employed by them which is all understandable really Bias ruins things sadly

Rogue Invitational 2022 was one of my favourite shows last year so I was very excited for this years show. Sadly it flattered to deceive. The Iron Bull sled pull was a farce, removing axle lift was a poor decision (would have made things a bit more exciting as an event you don't see all that often) and The Duel was just... boring as a final event and very anticlimactic. As a spectacle The Tower Power and Rogue-a-Coaster are amazing bits of kit... but we've seen them before at Rogue. From what I'm led to believe Rogue didn't even bother showing the Strongman trophy presentation, maybe they're more geared for the Crossfit crowd.

@Krackerz92

7 ай бұрын

The fact that the strongmen didn't even get to stand on a podium is just ridiculous for a comp at this level

@bellcore1

7 ай бұрын

The tower of power kit does look good, but in practice you can just see a guy with a bar in his hands. Doesn't work for me

Not to mention that so many athletes just dropped the log when they heard the whistle. Mateusz had the log getting ready to go in the air with an easy last rep and dropped it because he heard the whistle while Hooper just takes his sweet time. Dumb rule.

@rogmorts1

7 ай бұрын

But it does prove you need to understand the rules. Mitch even said in his pre event interview that he was going to take advantage of the "you've started the rep so you can finish rule" if he needed to. Strong man isn't just about brute strength, it's about tactics and using your head just like most sports.

@seanhouston2400

7 ай бұрын

Not paying attention to the rules is not an excuse for anything.

@-Erebus

7 ай бұрын

@@rogmorts1 has to be an easily missed rule in fine print or rule change for non native English speakers

@rogmorts1

7 ай бұрын

@-Erebus it's strongman they don't do fine print. I'm also sure any athlete could ask for rules written in their first language for them to read. Remember, knowledge is power, so get the advantage it brings.

@BennyDogwasp

7 ай бұрын

It's on the other athletes for not understanding the rules properly, Mitch isn't at fault. That said it's a stupid rule. A time limit should be a time limit. How long were they being given to finish the rep they'd started? 5 secs? 10 secs? As long as they want?

Problem with mitch log attempts is the reff giving a down signal instantly where mitch isnt even done finishing the rep and has no balance. While others were holdong the rep for 2-3 seconds waiting for a down command. Refs have been screwing the strongman events over and over. Need a flat ruling for basic things as lockouts and duration you need for a "complete rep"

@Kamyen316

7 ай бұрын

Also note that the last event was just complete garbage for strongman. If you wanna do that. Add a lift or have them run with the wheel barrel after it's loaded as it happens at Shaw classic

@petershortland478

6 ай бұрын

​@Kamyen316, what throwing over a yoke

Long time Canadian strongman fan here... I thought i would be super pumped on a Canadian champ, but man, not like this, not on weak garbage. Those judges need training or replacing ASAP. Like and share the video guys

When Mitch first came on to the scene even Loz commented that he has an ability to bend his body in away to bench the log up, and even back then they were not discounted.

Spot on about the reffing. I've just wrapped up my 7th Static Monsters and my ref was shouting instructions at the lifters to get them to finish the rep fully before giving them the down signal. In the Statics Worlds that I ran in July, I had a side ref to make sure athletes were fully upright under the log or dumbbell and knees were locked on the deadlift. Standards have to be higher at the biggest competitions and athletes have to not only be held to a higher standard, but need to hold themselves to a higher standard too so there can be no doubt.

Hooper’s standing bench press technique is what caused the Olympic clean and press to removed from the Olympics in 1972!!

What needs to be considered is that this isn't supposed to be an amateur show. This is a show with a massive prize pool and the TOP international strongmen. We shouldn't accept settling for less just because we're trying to be positive. This was a colossal fumble by Rogue in all of the ways you (Lalas Brothers) addressed in the video and more. I've seen so many comments saying that people are being harsh or being haters because their favorite athlete didn't win. Since when do we not care about inconsistent ruling, terrible planning, and questionable compromises? This passiveness and acceptance of less is what allows these mistakes to happen in the first place. Do better Rogue, and do better as fans of Strongman! (I'm talking to you, reader)

The non bias, honest of this strongman channel is top notch

Agree with everyone's feedback on the show. Planning a comp like this, you have to have contingency plans in place and not at the last minute. Why wouldn't they test the Iron Bull event much earlier than the day before?? The other issue with the reffing was in the duel when the ref said "Go" before the buzzer went off and some waited for the buzzer. There was no reason for the ref to say "Go". You don't do things like that in a pro comp.

@hedgehog1965uk

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think it was on Brian's own channel that he said he was going to be testing the bull, but he hadn't been expecting to do that. I guess they needed someone exceptionally strong, that wasn't actually competing to test it for them, but it seemed like a last minute thought. As others have said, it really needed to be something on wheels, like the usual bus etc, rather than something with possibly varying friction like wood against metal.

@25michael17

7 ай бұрын

What they need for the sled was to make it like the wheel of pain with barrels of sand as the wheels

@ryantracy1531

7 ай бұрын

Yes! I saw that too and costed Tom.

@joshalberson6301

7 ай бұрын

Be interesting to hear what was briefed in athletes meeting as to when to start. I watched the CrossFit as well and they specifically discussed that the leave command was “Go”.

@25michael17

7 ай бұрын

@@joshalberson6301 think it was on the beep as it says Tom one the last event so think they added time to those who went early

I understand (to an extent) removing certain events or changing things because of the weather, but what I didn't understand is why they couldn't do the axle indoors and chose to do a log for reps that none of them trained for, and that is in almost every other comp.

Fantastic and accurate commentary. Compared to previous years i was really let down by the show.

Credit to big Lalas, great strongman that is qualified to comment on the refs, only one who calls them out on it. 👍

You guys are fantastic. Completely unbiased EXPERT opinion. While this competition had huge prize money, The Rogue, perhaps, needs to get back to Strongman Roots instead of Flashy (but faulty) equipment. 1. The Iron Bull was set up indoors because of the weather. It was brought in from a very humid outside into an air-conditioned area. Fine. However, the first person had an advantage. The slightest bit of condensation on the tracks reduced friction, it also dried the track while expanding the end grain wood fibre on the sled holding the Bull increasing the friction on each further attempt. 2. The Roguer-Coaster. I am positive that the apparatus jammed for Luke Stoltman 4 feet from the end. There was no way Luke ran out of Gas, I reckon if he had another couple of seconds he would have stretched OR BROKE the rope. But he couldn't move the sled an inch???? 3. Luke also had the log to his lap, then chest on his 9th rep but was timed out, even 'tho the rules stated that if the log was ON the competitors lap (never mind chest) the lift could be attempted. Mitch, by my reckoning, got three "Good" reps and had about 15 extra seconds to finish the ninth. 4. I'm not sure about what happened with the points in "The Duel" at the end. No times or points were given during the live stream (I waited and waited). I do know that Mitch was well away from the start before the "GO" signal. Lots of lessons to be learned but, at least one huge business is giving Strongman more coverage, so it's not all bad.

@XxXx-sc3xu

7 ай бұрын

Hafthor gave Rogue a ton of publicity during 2020-2021, so it kinda owes it to the sport

I was sitting parallel to the log at the Shaw Classic in the 1st row on the floor. I made the same comment about Hooper’s log press as Big Z…it was an impressive bench (I said inline) press. The problem I see is he never brings his head and shoulders fully through. There needs to be a side judge on overhead.

@northbuster290

7 ай бұрын

Thru wanted hopper to win.

@Eatonbeaver7

7 ай бұрын

You don't have to bring your head through though

@a-a-rondavis9438

7 ай бұрын

​@@Eatonbeaver7absolutely you do, but some promoters and judges don't enforce it. Joints locked out and head through.

Great video guys! Good to hear a truly objective opinion on things and showing footage like Trey's injury and how it happened...good insight! Marine Mike 🇺🇸 💪

i definitely never think Mitch Hoopers log lifts look right not so much the hold at the top but he never gets his his head through to finish the lift....

I had a bad feeling about the bull sled pull after watching Shaws video testing it and a bad feeling about the entire event after watching it

@XxXx-sc3xu

7 ай бұрын

Yup, same here. Brian’s feedback was completely dismissed by a random dude.

Completely agree with hoopers lockout/holding situation. I reckon a heavier log would also make “rushing” through reps less of an issue.

I had the same two issues as most others - Mitch's 9th rep shouldn't have stood and Mitch was too quick to go on the last event. Tom probably could've got first place, especially if there'd been a 6th event.

Tower deadlift- B- Bull Pull- F Coaster- A+ Log Lift with soft time cap- A 15 second sandbag race- F Canceling a strongman event instead of pushing one of 200 crossfit events back one day- F- Overall- D-

That’s what annoys me about Mitch’s log reps, all the other guys are working their arses off to do fully controlled reps with their heads through and hold it and he just flaps it up with his head about 5 inches behind the log. And then all the other strongmen just accept it? They need to speak up and challenge it

@Krayman19

7 ай бұрын

It was within the rules for this event. Go read the rule book. Lalas Brothers should go read it too.

Loving this channel guys, please keep it going 💪

Clear and well thought insights& commentary. Good stuff. I was also really disappointed in this show overall. And the refereeing... Always the same thing that the refs decide are influenced by the crowd etc. Sad to see.

Thank you! Mitch is full of shit when he says he can't put his head through, he's just trying to cheat the rules like always because he thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

@bellcore1

7 ай бұрын

I haven't seen him say that but I bet if the rules are 'put your head through or no rep' he'd be able to put his head through

@Marina-Del-Rey

7 ай бұрын

I’m so confused on that. I vaguely heard people talk about that and say some shit about his chest or something being to big…? Are we gonna act like Brian Shaw didn’t have a massive chest? Or iron biby? I mean eddie was so swollen at one point that his head was basically just sitting on his shoulders but he still managed to lock out logs. There’s much bigger guys than Mitch. I don’t buy the excuses.

THANK GOD for this Vid.... What we ALL thought watching Rogue this year..

I think mateuz is so good because he does a lot of his movement work uphill, so momentum becomes less of a factor, and he is able to work at a higher intensity for longer.

True everything! Hope more people involved in organization/referiing will pay attention to your channel.

They need to get Big Z to be the lead reference. They need stricter more consistent referees. And they shouldn’t have gotten rid of axle. They should have moved it indoors

@lonestar2495

7 ай бұрын

Z is not always consistent either but they need professional refs that go through a course but there’s no standard to make official refs for strongman

@Pletzmutz

7 ай бұрын

Big Z isn't perfect either, it's more about communication and perhaps having side refs as well. There are always going to be wrong calls, refs are humans after all. But it would be good if there was a transparent standard as to what a fully locked out rep should look like.

@jojohnson6146

7 ай бұрын

I agree he is t perfect but he is quite strict. I think the Shaw Classic has best overall referees. With a front, side, and rear judge.

Great video guys! Totally agree about the reffing and especially in the log lift there was a number of soft reps given and most of those belonged to Mitch. When it comes to the sled pull I was kind of perplexed about the whole situation, there are in my mind 2 different questions here: 1. about the sled moving easily the first 10-15 feet and then becoming much harder to pull and 2. about the sled maybe becoming harder to pull as the attempts went on. 1. to me is undeniable and there are I think 2 possible reasons for this, either the ground was uneven and the track went from decline/flat to incline/flat or the tracks changed somehow, like there was a joint at 15 ft which increased friction or the track became slightly more narrow or something. 2. to me is less certain but if it was the case its either something to do with the wood changing slightly due to a change in temperatur/moisture as you talked about or some kind of wear between the sled and the track that changed the friction. Needless to say that event needs to go back to the drawing board.

You guys are spot on. This event was a disaster.

For all the people saying they couldn't control the weather you clearly haven't watched other strongman events. WSM this year shuffled around events on the first day for safety reasons because they had fingal's fingers and it was raining. OSG last year had to deal with a hurricane. A LITERAL FUCKING HURRICANE. What did they do? They were forced to shorten the comp from 3 to 2 days. They had literally hundreds of athletes competing across maybe 10 categories? They did every event and got through it all. They didn't cut anything. THAT'S how you run a top level strongman event. This whole show reeked of amateurism.

Great analysis guys. This years Rogue can in no way class itself as one of the top shows. Giants live in Glasgow - 5 events in one night v 5 events over 2 days? Thats a training session in comparison!. Very poor planning by Rogue.

Wow I thought I was the only one that thought Mitchel should not have gotten many reps, especially rep 7.

If you are refereeing the logpress or any other press event you need to position yourself to the side. When you are straight ahead from the competitor you will not see if he is falling forward as Tom Evans do at1:58and You might also have a hard time seeing if the lockout is correct. Or at least take a two second count in your head to make sure its a good rep.

Totally agree with Lalas. There’s no smoke without fire. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. Something needs to be done about the rule booking and refing especially now strongman is as big as it is and the money being what it is. The rogue this year as terrible. No back up plan for rain when the comp is outside?! Really

First time finding this channel. Great quality

Very detailed and impartial video guys! Thank you

I watched Strongman events for many years, they are nearly always fantastic and very enjoyable to watch throughout, even 2017 WSM was good it was more of a Thor being a bit triggered rather than the rules being off. The only event that really left a sour taste and left me fuming was the 1990 WSM where OD Wilson was completely robbed. That was until this Rogue invitational during the log lift, it wasnt as bad but it was similar, its strange because in Strongman I dont root against anyone I cheer all the athletes its amazing to see great feats of strength that are superhuman, but it made me dislike what Mitch was doing. There have been times where I didnt like Rob Kearneys log press, anyone that watches Olympic lifting knows athletes can lift significantly more with the split jerk compared to a strict press, that being said when he did lock out it was fair, and the log is not like an Olympic bar, I was more confused with why is nobody else doing it like that than thinking of someone cheating. With Mitch it was completely different, I had just seen Evan Singleton have a rep disallowed so youd expect the same rules to apply to everyone, and of course all the other athletes had lifted very well, Mitch needed 9 to effectively win and 8 wouldve had him share points with many others, 7 wouldve got him about 4 points. To be honest I didnt even notice the first rep being bad but I saw the rest where his arms were at 2 o clock and the lift was not straight, what made it worse is to my memory he did have a couple of lifts that were upright and good lifts proving he could do it properly, it seemed like he was trying to get away with the least amount of effort possible and he wouldve known it wasnt a proper lockout, control and in upright position, thats poor sportsmanship because if he saw someone else do that against him and take 75k away from his finish he might have something to say, I think at least 3 of his lifts wouldve been made good with a bit of extra effort and of course you have to blame the referee who kept giving him down signals, the referee who had just given Evan a no rep. By the time he managed 8 lifts the chat was already calling BS and it really exacerbated the new rule that allowed an athlete to finish a rep in their own time after the time had run out, personally that rule undermines the time limit in the first place, its nonsense , but to have Mitch the only athlete to benefit from it and also giving him 2nd place instead of tied with 3-4 others with a bad rep it made it worse than it shouldve been especially as he wouldve definitely run out of time without the new rule before even attempting the overhead. The sheer weight of all the people saying Mitch wasnt locking out properly wasnt just a few it was 95% there were thousands in the chat and nobody was trolling beforehand there were not some small amount of Mitch haters proliferating it there were simply happy Strongman fans before that event, the vast majority of the audience were saying he shouldve had between 6 and 7 reps, so it wasnt just about one rep, a fair amount were saying 5. 8 reps wouldve seen Mitch finish 2nd overall and 75k prize money difference, it even brought about people speculating whether the event was fixed for Mitch to win with such a difference in the refereeing compared to the athlete that had gone before him. I can understand from watching the crossfit referees they let far too much go and a few athletes in crossfit were definitely not doing good reps to conserve energy and not being punished for it, clearly exploiting the rules, but a Strongman event should be reviewed afterwards and if a rep is not good the result should be changed, referees make mistakes and it shouldnt be on their head all the time and it would make athletes do the reps properly knowing that if they cheat a few they would be taken away after the fact. Mitch is a great strongman but he definitely exploited that loglift, and its not like everyone else can just do the same like in crossfit, other athletes were getting no reps for the same thing. Also a review system where results can change after the event would ensure that any referee that has been paid off cant influence results unfairly, Id hate to think that would ever take place in Strongman but it clearly does in other sports so it makes sense to have something in place to prevent that kind of control. I dont know shit about Strongman despite watching it since the late 1980s , its great to hear what real competitors think and when they think something was wrong it really needs a review for the future because it has the potential to overtake things like the UFC in popularity especially with CTE awareness becoming more mainstream, being a 300lb+ strongman and tragic early deaths of athletes from enhancements (PEDs) and heavy stress on the body was a warning sign but nowadays enhancements can be done quite safely and its actually a really safe sport compared to things with head trauma or risk of serious injury like motorsports,a lot of athletes like Odd Haugen are living to an old age happily and still strong as hell and from that future generations will have confidence to aspire to be Strongmen, but the rules need to be rules for a sport to be taken seriously and have a platform to grow big.

@shiverr1337

7 ай бұрын

Well put. Apparently Mitch posted snapshots of his lockouts on IG stories, claiming he has no idea why people are complaining (some reps are obviously not locked out with head through) and ask to write what's wrong with them, but then he describes us as "the armchair critics". I start to dislike this dude more and more. There is funny, exaggerated confidence and intensity by Evan Singleton and there is annoying snarkiness by Hooper.

@jasonwerefreaksbabygenova1804

7 ай бұрын

Mitch’s personality is really off putting

@Marina-Del-Rey

7 ай бұрын

@@shiverr1337I mean that’s kind of what a referee is lol you don’t have to be able to do the log lift to be able to recognize if it fits within the criteria needed. There’s also people who can do that lift who’ve said they find issues with his lock-outs plenty of times. I wish he would just own it and say that the ref gave him the signal down so he followed. No reason to act like his reps were perfect. Just leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths.

If Mitch Hooper is this allowed two reps during the log lift, Tom Stoltman is your champion, rightfully so

You bring up another reason why strongman needs to create uniform rules across all promoters and harmonize the season. Currently there is no rule book that I’m aware of. To grow as a sport this will have to happen. The athletes should demand it and referee standards should be implemented. Especially if you implement gambling like in a fight or an arm wrestle. Let’s grow the sport. Great content fellas.

It was not a great show, a bit of a let down. Due to weather. Tower of Power good. Log Lift Good, Rogueacoaster good the rest poor. Nice that it was free to watch. Rogue put a of hard work and money into it. I bet that next year will be better. Outdoor show worked OK for CrossFit which to be honest is the main event. It was nice to see Big Loz beat The Moose at record breakers😂 A rule book for what is a good lift would help with consistency over different shows. If the ref gives the down signal the lifter can not be blamed.

Superb channel with honest opinion!

Thanks for the honest feedback. Needs to be heard

really goes to show why the Shaw Classic is the best show out there and this is the BEST strongman channel out there.

@joeclark2201

7 ай бұрын

I believe the shaw classic does find the strongest man but the show itself/livestream is no where near giants live level in my opinion

Brian and Keven Faires could not move it at all when they first started testing. Brian said to lighten it.

@petershortland478

7 ай бұрын

And a rope as well, event should been tested a month

@michaels.2331

7 ай бұрын

@@petershortland478 I think they should put wheels on it and make the pull up a slight incline, but with ratcheting so it doesn’t drag the competitors down the hill. Mateuz trains by pulling a truck up hill.

@michaels.2331

7 ай бұрын

And smoke should come out of the bulls nose. Maybe, Eddie can be dressed as a Viking and sit in the back of the bull.

Great show guys

When I was watching it live I remember thinking there were 2 of the 9 reps that I thought were questionable and seriously thought they may take at leasr 1 away from him, which would have put Tom back into contention and change the whole competition results with the points being what they were at that time and a bunch of dudes hitting the same number of reps. I do also.get why it s/b a rule to put your head thru the log at lockout otherwise the guy could keep it in a standing incline bench the whole movement. I did not think most of his reps were bad reps though. Just me. Marine Mike 🇺🇸 💪

Well said bros 🎉

Max reps should have a lot longer time to finish. IMO

Great video. Appreciate your honest analysis of this and other competitions.

Great critic as usual, keep up the great work.

Mitch he's very strong and very clever. He reminds me of Magnus Ver back in the day.

@williamshine1346

7 ай бұрын

Excellent analogy.

I surprised no one talked about or to the group of guys pushing the iron bull sled back into place between athletes. Unless something on the implement was hooking in one direction, that group should have noticed a difference each time they pushed it back to confirm if it was indeed getting harder each time.

Thank you! I fill a litter better about the rigid event.

mateusz is just that good

I think there were definitely issues with the show, but I think Rogue did the best they could with the weather to keep the athletes safe. As for the Bull, it is a new piece of equipment. Should it have been tested more? Absolutely. But Brian did a good bit of tweaking to the car leg press between it’s first and second appearance. Rogue is out here giving the Strongman athletes the biggest prize purse and a bigger audience. I really think people need to cut them some slack. I am sure they are aware of all the issues this year and will work to resolve them.

@XxXx-sc3xu

7 ай бұрын

Needs more excuses

@meatsweatmundungus6415

7 ай бұрын

No they totally fucked it, would you let worlds or giants off the hook that easily? This show was absolutely awful

@shiverr1337

7 ай бұрын

If the sled pull was the only issue, I wouldn't mind. Sure it was dangerous (poor Trey), the results were a bit skewed, but in the end, athlete placing was kinda what would be expected. There were ohter issues like - inconsistent and werid judging on the log, the event change and event cancelation due to weather (like duh, they should have had plan B if it rains, especially during storm season), the duel event was horrible and start signal was unclear, wether it should be on "go" or on the buzz. They've also forgot to stream podium ceremony or forgot to annouce the 3rd event of day 1 cancelation, I was sitting like a moron till 2:30AM to find out it by stream being shut down. So it's not just 1 event that went a bit worse than it should. There are 2 out of 6 events that had no issue and both were repeated from previous edition. It looks like they've outsourced managment to some retards who can only do right if their predecessors made it right before them.

Big loz hasn’t done a video yet with his thoughts on the show. Is he worried about what ppl will say about his boy?

@a-a-rondavis9438

7 ай бұрын

They're still gonna travel back and get their bearings because there's a 9 hour difference between CST and their timezone. Also, editing and such. Wait another day.

The tower deadlift is basically a smith machine deadlift and that kind of a event belongs to Shaw classic, the worst way to make a deadlift event. Ref's with Mitch "no rep" Pooper did rob a decent amount money from Tom in my opinion. I hope rogue make's big changes to next year's strongman contest so that it would not feel like a afterthought of a crossfit contest...

@stefannilsson364

7 ай бұрын

Definitely not a Smith machine deadlift. The Smith machine fixes the bar path. You could see on Evan Singleton's deadlift how the tower bar moved all over the place, much more than a normal bar would move.

@jjp8311

7 ай бұрын

Bar moves yes i give you that but the weight itself moves on cylinders as you can also see from the video. But in the end of the day its a matter of a opinion. If you like that kind of a deadlift, its fine. But if this would be a event with a price to pay for watching, i would not pay, main reason would be lazy events. Second would be even lazier reffing.@@stefannilsson364

Your's opinions are correct some things didn't look good at this competition 🎉

I have waited for this :D

I thought instantly about Hoopers reps on the log, lots of questionable reps but that’s on the refs. So happy to see Mateusz back and looking strong, he’s only going to get better and stronger. The train pull thing was weird and needs changing, I liked uncle Loz’s idea of setting it like a train track and having bars on the floor rather than rope to pull. Hopefully the feedback improves the competition for next year.

Brian Shaw testing the Iron Bull, well, he is also one of the best pullers. I saw a video where someone mentioned that at one contest they had Terry Hollands to test the pull, and he finished it easily, but at the comp, noone finished. You can't really have someone who is really great, even among the best in the world, test an event.

In reference to the worry about the rain with the loading race. I think we should remember in at least two WSM (1992 & 2010)the athletes were in water to do their loading race. In 2010 where the implements were the water was knee high.

This is why a end-all be-all "federation" or "association" for Strongman should exist where all promoters have to follow the same rules for the entire Strongman calendar. Now, if there's a very "Strongman-style" event where there's little standardization in movement, like types of loading, awkward presses, vehicle pulls, brand-new events, etc. then it's ok to come up with a set of standards for it right then, but otherwise, for deadlift, squat, overhead, Cyr Dumbbell, Frame, Farmer's, Yoke, etc., more frequented staple events, then there needs to be an across-the-board standard for every athlete and promoter to follow. Also, refs need to be "checked" every so often to keep up their abilities or to switch refs out for certain promoters (Magnus for Giant's Live and WSM for example for someone like Zydrunas or even Dave, the other main GL ref, the one who did WDC 2016 and who reffed Eddie's 500). Judging for sure wasn't the main problem, it was Rogue's inability to adapt, and their panic-mode of changing and completely removing events to suit their schedule and shove them in-between Crossfit events. Fix everything but the judging, and honestly, it wouldn't be that bad.

@XxXx-sc3xu

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely not. That’s how you end up with a lack of control and a board dictating what goes.

@a-a-rondavis9438

7 ай бұрын

​​@@XxXx-sc3xuThe Wild West is worse, especially with rising prize pools and more seriously professional athletes are competing for actual legacies and livelihoods. We need to become more rigid with stuff like judging. This is not a circus act anymore.

Great review guys, I think that all referreing should be standard across all competitions.

I had hardly heard of it 5 years ago but now love strongman and I think it’s rapid growth needs to be caught up by the rule book, refereeing, qualification requirements etc. Also given the risk of injury and crowd size, all top comps should be held in indoor arenas where the variability of the weather is removed and the time schedule can be stuck to.

@a-a-rondavis9438

7 ай бұрын

While I agree about getting rid of bs out of control factors for top level professionals, I DON'T want to see Strongman shows end up indoors with artificial lighting and cameras everywhere. It's an outside sport with the elements and the grandiose nature of it all. Keep them outside.

Big Z needs to be the ref for all log events, Even Magnus gave questionable down calls at WSM

Agreed

Like that you are telling the truth no matter what. I agree with all of this. The incosistent judging they really need to fix. Evan was disallowed a rep that was longer locked out than Hooper. The main issue I have is the judging, the bull being fucking dumb and the last event being the most lame shit i've ever seen. Its a loading medley for like 2m ?

I don't think the bag start issue was Hooper's fault. Apparently there was a miscommunication by the Rogue team on what the go signal was supposed to be. Also, Hooper isn't going to change the way he lifts logs if every single ref gives him the down call. Ultimately, people may disagree with his technique but you can't point the finger at Hooper.

I have an issue with the lack of coverage of results after events, unofficial results still don’t know results if sandbags as Tom took a point off Mitch somehow. I feel the weather really threw rogue off this weekend

I know this is strongman and not powerlifting but the same rule of reffing applies , the refs can't tell you what you're doing while you're performing the rep although PL is a single rep and then you're awarded the lift if completed correctly after you've done the attempt. The ref shouldn't have to tell you what you're doing wrong. That's on the athlete

it's bad if you also know your not locking out properly , hooper knows what a lockout is ,

Just sent this to Steve slater,he might be able to adress these issues with Rouge & few other organizations.

the Bull should've had a lattice instead of rope

Mitch hoopers jump start wow, tom stolman won that event true

Do you think the sled would have gone better if there was a ladder on the ground to climb? Less problems with footwear and surface

There is too many exuses for mitch since he won the wsm

It was such a disappointment, but for the money offered, it didn't seem worth it to watch. Bull Pull was poorly put together. What was pathetic was that they didn't test it until a few days before the event. It should have been a month before the event. reffing was poor for the log, but that wasn't Mitchs fault, but if Big Z was reffing, it would be super strict, making you hold for longer. The sandbag loading was over within 5 seconds, which was bad getting rid of Max Axle Press was poor could easily been done inside like Log for Reps. Deadlift and Arm over Arm not really events you can mess up. To me Rogue seem to focus on making an event look like nice rather than make it work properly

With the log press, I’d argue if you have to go so quick that reps come into question then the log is too light

You guys are like the Sika Strength for strongman lol

BOSH

I think its fair comment to say this year was underwhelming. Hopefully rogue next year is back to where it was because the previous 2 years have been great

Change in events, log rep ref, the fact Rogue didn’t even bother to show the strongman award ceremony

Coach Mateus on deadlift please.

@RubbishGimpy

7 ай бұрын

I don't understand why someone that strong can't deadlift. Trey cannot hold stuff, thats a grip issue but there's more mechnics at play in a deadlift. Mateusz has strong arms, strong legs, a strong back but cannot deadlift beyond 360kg????

@JBS7551

7 ай бұрын

​@@RubbishGimpyTrey has nerve issues from a car wreck

@stefannilsson364

7 ай бұрын

​@@RubbishGimpyhis pb in deadlift is 420, not 360

win would've been Tom's if he didnt' screwed up on the pull

Who won?

I liked the last two Rouges, they are well put together shows but the whole continuity of this one was off. Most to do with the weather but also in the Bull Pull and the crappy bag run at the end. I also would of preferred to see the axle over the log lift. Rouge will correct their mistakes. Odd Haugen, Magnus and the others need to set better glarification for their judging.

Everything you guys said is true af!! Best channel for strongman

@JBS7551

7 ай бұрын

yup no bias here too

Bringing Mitch into the sport was a great decision (new athlete, explosive rookie year, etc). But by now, it seems a bit like history repeats itself and favoritism is involved. It seems like the refs give him good lifts when they should force him to hold (clearly the case on his log attempts)... I'm glad Tom has stepped up and I agree that he should come back next year to "take back what's his." Back in the early days of the sport (70s/80s), there were some odd ref calls, lots of the pulling events had the equipment lock up (e.g. the driver puts the brakes on conveniently whenever Kazmaier stepped up)... Rogue must have hired some new quote-unquote "talent" to design and orchestrate events, because the lack of mechanical expertise, forethought, and planning didn't make sense. Plus, they didn't spotlight the Strongman awards. I'm going to call Mitch a Paper Champion on this one...

The smal thing to us is big money for the winer

What happened with the Iron Bull? When was the last time Luke beat both Tom and Novikov easily on a pulling/movement event? Did you notice that the crew did something to the sled before Toms pull. They rescrewed something on the track. After that, all the athletes had their sticking point come way earlier then those before. Seemed like before it came after about 15 ft. After the change it came at about 5 ft. That was the main thing that remained in my mind of this comp. This kind of equipment failure is devastating to the athletes.

After the first 2 shows, it felt like Rogue handed this part of their franchise over to someone on a silver platter. And that person doesn't seem to be interested in Strongman.

@Gabeis36

7 ай бұрын

Shit take

@johnqpublic407

7 ай бұрын

@@Gabeis36 we were there....

I didn't have an issue with the competition in general. I would say though, it felt like the changes weren't communicated to the viewers that well. Granted I only watched the event streams. Had no issue with Mitch's log after the event, but you just reminded me I thought his first rep was too quick. I know sometimes judges will tell competitors they can't do that again or they'll get a no rep and none of the following presses were as fast so I let it go. All the athletes I heard speak about it were disappointed with the removal of the axle. I don't understand why it couldn't be done. Or was there something special about their equipment that required it to be outside? No issue with the last event, bit I agree it could have been longer. May have given Tom's long strides a chance to compete with Mitch's quick turnarounds.

@DreJr

7 ай бұрын

Having said all of that. It's hard to see someone as gifted as Mateus be hamstrung by this one glaring weakness. It feels like the other strongmen are happy he can't seem to get that up to par.

@DreJr

7 ай бұрын

Oh! I did have a problem with the bull. Needs more work for sure. After Brian did so much to bring us behind the scenes I can appreciate things don't always go to plan, but I don't think they should have left testing so last minute.

Brian Shaw tested the bull pull as a bear crawl. He found a good weight and told Rogue that. I don’t know what happened between Brian’s testing to the actual show, but it was a fail. Rogue added a ton a weight with a rope on that surface. Not sure it got much testing after the changes made. Even a small change can drastically change the event. Rogue needs to take changes and modifications more seriously.