My fascination is with any human pushing what’s possible with their body; man or woman. I’ll pay for either personally cause I fucking love watching either gender push crazy boundaries in literally any sport.

@dunstonmunson8314

Ай бұрын

Yes, woman's comps in our sport are often very interesting and competitive. For people that say they skip past the woman's comp and go straight to the men's comp, I would tell them to at least give the women a shot and check them out.

I think the question is very simple... Are you guys gonna buy a ticket or a pay per view for a women only show? Any sport? Check the difference between the soccer world cup. The hard fact is that very few people care about women's sports. Not making a judgement just stating a fact.

@JBS7551

Ай бұрын

💯💯💯💯

@Tony_Bologna684

Ай бұрын

Exactly, it's up to the women to support their respective sports. Can't fork up money that ain't there

@Pepesilvia267

Ай бұрын

I watched Arnold’s and skipped the women’s comp. Sorry. Yes their deadlift of 600 is way more than I can do but isn’t interesting to me when the mean are doing 900lbs. Also to be triggering to everyone, CrossFit girls are impressive but also good looking lol. That’s half the reason why CrossFit guys watch them.

@williamshine1346

Ай бұрын

Women’s sports should stand on their own, if the interest isn’t there then blame women for not supporting women’s sports . Just like women’s Olympic lifting it’s impressive but not high on my list. Especially the drugs and the bdwt.

@CircaInfinity

Ай бұрын

That’s a bad comparison. Strongman doesn’t really make money off of ticket sales and livestreams. It makes money off of people buying sponsors equipment. Strongman fans are far more likely to buy equipment and go to the gym than other sports. If you haven’t been to a gym in the past decade the amount of women going compared to a decade ago is night and day. You have to cater to women if you want their money, it’s that simple.

I don't know if it makes sense for them speaking from the capitalistic view, but I'm so happy for the ladies. And then there's this other factor: Rogue is putting so much into the strongman sport, and in my opinion they are a genuinely very nice company. I'm sure most strongman fans would agree with this statement. And that means, that if I'm ever in position to afford my own gym equipment etc, rogue is the company I'll most likely go to. What they are doing is creating goodwill with fans of the sports they're promoting, and it may very well pay off for them in the long run

I really enjoyed watching the lassies at the Arnolds, big respect for Rogue investing in the future of women's strongwoman.

Even with the $100 million in NBA subsidies the WNBA still has an operating loss of $10-$12 million USD every year. That should dispose of this question once and for all. Cheers!

@dantethunderstone2118

Ай бұрын

Yet Caitlyn Clark made over 3 times more from nil deals than the highest earnings college men’s basketball player and there was another 1 or 2 girls who made more than the highest earning male player

@dunstonmunson8314

Ай бұрын

People in this comment section keep comparing our sport to basketball and soccer and such. Strongman/strong woman is not a normal sport. You gotta look at it on its own. They been live streaming the men and the women together lately and I think it's been going just fine. Don't worry how this sport compares to basketball.

@christophertsipouras2290

Ай бұрын

@@dantethunderstone2118 yet, the nba will continue to have a fiscal operating loss.

@richtheunstable3359

Ай бұрын

What's the WNBA got to do with anything

Probably not, should anyone complain, probably not but I am glad they are. Also, women's strongman is growing rapidly as well. I think Rogue is making an investment and I love it. (I'm a dude) The problem strongman both genders has had for fucking ever. Has been that they usually fail to showcase the characters in the sport. It's getting better (WSM still absolutely sucks at it). If more people saw how girly the women of this sport oftentimes are I think it would help so much. Just like seeing the massive difference between the men. Kieliszkowski is intense, Big Z was just pure stoic, Mitch Hooper is gregarious, Martins is open and peace loving, Shaw is stand-offish sort of, Eddie is a toddler, etc etc etc. Jon Paul was an amazing star because he forced his personality on the cameras. He was a different character completely from Kaz and Capes and they were just as different from each other. I truly think Rogue is investing in an idea and the future.

I don't see how it's fair that the women get paid the same. The women don't attract the same audience as the men. What next? Should under 105kgs get paid the same as the pro men? Very few people watch Strong woman...harsh reality

@dunstonmunson8314

Ай бұрын

I think in an ideal world people should be paid based on the value of what they do. I could take your same line of reasoning and use it to show that Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, and Beyonce deserve to make millions more then the rest of us because look at how many people see their music. The world isn't fair on any level whatsoever, that's the harsh reality, and the way to start changing it is to start changing it.

@Adam-if4se

Ай бұрын

The thing I find odd is that the men have had to work seriously hard over the years to raise the profile of the sport and get it to this point where the prize money is this high. It does seem unfair that the women, who do bring less eyes to the sport, receive the same prize money. I'm not saying the gap should be massive but there should be a gap. The sport is only this big because of the men.

If rogue thinks they are worth it, then of course. I dont think they are financially worth it though. They dont bring in the eyes or put the butts in the seats at the same level as the guys. Im happy they will get paid. Im happy for anyone who will get a nice payday for their hard work. I watch strongman religiously, train it, and even occassionally compete for fun. I dont find strongwoman interesting to watch. For the same reason i dont watch weightclass strongman. Im not interested in seeing the JV teams. I want to see the strongest, period. Not the strongest with some qualifier added to it.

@paavoilves5416

Ай бұрын

I agree, though I do find strongwoman interesting to watch. Hell, the Arnold's UK women's comp was even more interesting as a whole than the men's if not for Thor's DL and Hoopers axle press.

I think what's going to happen is the other shows will increase their prize money. It's likely going to increase the talent pool, i think it's good that the bigger shows are opening up more divisions. I think the women have helped fill the stadiums the arnold strongman classic had the stadium completely full

@dunstonmunson8314

Ай бұрын

No doubt. It's obvious to me. Rogue's thinking outside of the box. it's good for the sport

Giants Live has held Britains Strongest Woman and it looks like it sold really well. At this point I think any show they held in the UK will do well, so I can see Worlds Strongest Woman becoming its own show in the UK.

@joebot9309

Ай бұрын

As long as Colin pats them as much as the men lol like Rouge is

maybe by Rogue doing this, the women's side of the sport will get a kick in the right direction, and rather than catching up with the men's prize purse in the future...start as you mean to go on.

The bigger pay would attract more women to the sport and in return grow the fan base, this will take time. It is a big decision to make to become a strong woman, partly because of all the negativity they get about appearance, including hostility, prejudice and trolling. The women's sport is great to watch and very competitive, it's getting better and better but will take time to grow.

@bigcookiestrength71

Ай бұрын

I agree with you. The problem is that people don't realize what all it takes to become a pro in the sport. So they wanna get started, and there is this little dark spot in our beloved sport, and if it's not done right, it leads to very big health problems. Even a large portion of the men still don't make enough money to just compete. So you have to ask yourself if it's worth it to risk your health for a possible 80k and put yourself through what the pros do.

It may not make the most sense financially, but I do like that the women are getting a big opportunity like this. Especially since the women overall have put on a much better show than the men since last fall

I’m surprised the marketing aspect didn’t come up in the video. Get everyone talking by being equal on the pay, gets more videos talking about it, more views, more the Rogue name gets out there

If the money is there and available and the event holder wants to, then why not. Rouges payout is close a 4 years average worker wage in the UK. Its still the biggest payout for the apex alpha chad men, Grrrrrr. It can change lives and strongman entertainment as a whole. Lesser shows may not draw the bigger names with people only focusing on the 'money' shows like Mitch and Thor do so some shows may fold but they also could become stepping stones for talent from grass roots into professional strongpeople.

@hairyape_8103

Ай бұрын

Why? because a big chunk of that money should go back into the mens prize pot. Bigger money draws better athletes, better athletes brings better competition, and better competition grows the sport. Harsh but its a waste of money allocating it the way they did.

@RubbishGimpy

Ай бұрын

@@hairyape_8103 But its Rouges money for them to do what with they wish. Thats the simple answer. Rouges already attracts biggest names, Rouges is not short on money either so it doesn't need to redirect money into the competition. Even the men don't justify the amount of money they get paid and 6k for 8th place in a event where your food, travel, accomodation and medical cover is taken care is enough. Money doesn't make a better strongmen, the incentive of money makes a better strong. Lets be truthful here, strongmen only do Rouges and Shaw because of the payout. Arnolds and WSM are for prestige. Rouges is doing for the women which Shaw and WSM are not.

My personal feelings about this is that in watching the woman making their way into the sport, the womens comps are often more interesting than the mens, I watch both and they are both good, so personally I love that they are opening the door, and it can only be good for the sports, its not rocket science, more people getting involved in the sport helps the sport grow, and I genuinely care about the sport. Now should they get equal pay? Ideally yes. The way that this happens is a purchase of a ticket or livestream pays for access to see both the mens and womens comps, boom there ya go. Equal pay.

If an athletic body or company wants to pony up the money to pay athletes more, i am ALL for it, no matter if its men or women. Equal pay for equal work. However, men lift heavier, in a contest of strength, which draws MORE viewership. If Rogue wants to pay women more, great! They want to see if they can build the sport, why not. The crux of all this is demand. If, following a heavy investment of time and money, the demand doesnt start to pick up, then it will falter.

@wernerbro3208

Ай бұрын

they should never get more pay just because.. like blacks and other "minorities" get into school and workplace easier just cuz of their skin color. That woke virus has spread across the globe.

There's a reason the NBA and WNBA athletes aren't paid the same. Rogue will find out why.

@Steve-dv4hy

Ай бұрын

Nah. This stuff is a loss leader to begin with for Rogue. It's brand promotion not their actual business. If they get positive press for the egalitarian pay it's worth it.

@greenwendal5056

Ай бұрын

@@Steve-dv4hy Literary this. Imagine the prize money rogue must pay out for the whole show, crossfit etc. Ticket sales aint no way gonna cover that. It's more of a marketing event.

@petershortland478

Ай бұрын

​@greenwendal5056 thing is strongman will always be a side show at crossfit I think strongman going to Scotland indoors will probably make the event better since everyone at rogue goes to crossfit in US altho in UK strongman is stronger when it comes to popularity

By itself Strongwoman competition would attract like 1/10th of fanbase.

@peterpartridge3612

Ай бұрын

More 1/100 if we are being honest

@TimCaruana

Ай бұрын

@@peterpartridge3612 Even less I think.

From the consensus on here, payout should be based on what you bring in to the event, not your skill level. So I'd suggest we scale prize money based on tickets sold. Thor will have sold more tickets to the Arnold's than anyone else, so why is it fair that he gets paid less or the same as other athletes?

I feel it should be like olympic sports, women and lower weight classes should get as much coverage and as much money.

When I was at the UK Arnold Classic a few weeks ago, when it switched to women's events around 50% of the crowd left and went back into the Arnold expo. When the men's started, they all came back again. It doesn't have the same level of interest and even when I'm watching an online show it feels that it is being jammed in. I watched the women's event live but when I'm watching online I skip it.

The rogue invitational is a product/advertising. Companies do not have the same profit margins on every product. High end products tend to have a bigger mark up. Just think of it like this. Also its an investment into growing the womans side of the sport. You gotta spend a bit of money in product development before you can teap the rewards.

Brian is building his show and it’s getting better year by year.

@dantethunderstone2118

Ай бұрын

This is the first year it can be on par with the other big 3

@joebot9309

Ай бұрын

WSM is in 4rth place now

@dantethunderstone2118

Ай бұрын

@@joebot9309 wsm is still multiple levels above every other show in terms of prestige and it always will be In terms of the best show for diehard fans, that really doesn’t matter because there’s very few diehard fans

Pay out based on how many people watch it. It’s that simple. That’s how musicians and actors make money. The more people who want to see them the more they make. Every strongman has said their job is an entertainer soooo I say pay them like entertainers.

@dunstonmunson8314

Ай бұрын

That's another can of worms right there. Do entertainers deserve to make millions in the first place when more important jobs like firefighters, ambulance drivers get way way less? Everything you comment on is a can of worms. There's a lot that's wrong with our world right now. Basically everything needs to be changed.

@Adam-if4se

Ай бұрын

​@dunstonmunson8314 Well no obviously they don't. But they do anyway and there's nothing anybody commenting on this video can do about that. We don't get to decide what entertainers are paid, we just watch the sport. So maybe it's best to just stick to the topic at hand.

Don't confuse the difference in strength between men and women with that of the same amount of effort they both put in. Or course the prize money should be equal.

I enjoy watching the women just as much as men especially since they are coming household names Strongman is just impressive man or women and with more shows the bigger the audience

Welcome back lads!

If they bring in the same revenue, then yes of course. If they don't.... then no! No offence to any athletes at all here, but I want to watch the best. I don't want to watch womens, or under 90kg mens, I'm wanting to see big Tom wrap his arms round a 300kg atlas stone! I'm wanting to see Graham Hicks pull 505kg in the deadlift, and hold it at the top and look around, shouting and nodding his head! I want to see Luke Stoltman walk up to a 235kg log, get up to his sholders, steady himself, then press it up to the sky, me on the edge of my seat as the ref gives that down signal! Would be even sweeter if Big Z was the referee as we know he is strict! I think instead of forcing strongman fans to watch strong women events, maybe try and maeket it to women? I just don't think its fair to have the top guys subsidise the womens side. Or vice versa in the sports/ other avenues where women are paid more than their male counterparts.

@kanedelaney7645

Ай бұрын

💯 I liked how u touched on the lighter weight classes, which annoys me about the women’s cause they keep adding people to comps who will never win it (I.e. Bellevue, Pocock… and so forth) who are simply too light to challenge the other lady’s when the lifts get heavy. But I guess I’m saying that, it comes down to the fact that I only like watching the heavyweight lifters on both genders, whether it be Andrea log pressing 150kg, or Tom manhandling a 300kg stone.

@kanedelaney7645

Ай бұрын

And ye the whole subsidising bs that they do in sports now is simply not good for the sport overall. They need to market it to women more. I enjoy watching them, but impacting the pay the men would get or to the company overall is not good for the sport.

@dunstonmunson8314

Ай бұрын

You were forced to watch the women? Did you report this crime? Somebody must have had a gun to your head threatening you that if you didn't watch them it would be all over for you. There's multiple ways to argue how people should be paid. It's a sticky subject. I can argue that in an ideal world people would be paid based on the value of what they bring to the world. Based on that, as a grocery shelf stocker I should be making at least 3 million dollars a year, because without us stocking the shelves, literally everyone would die. We are essential workers, strongmen, strong women, other athletes are non essential workers and therefore they should be making minimum wage.

@paavoilves5416

Ай бұрын

@@dunstonmunson8314 While I agree with you, "because without us stocking the shelves, literally everyone would die" is a huge fallacy. Basically anyone can stock the shelves, it's not complicated or difficult in any way, it's just repetetive and annoying. There isn't a scarcity of people who can do that. But not everyone has the skill to perform a brain surgery for example so there's more scarcity of skilled performers, increasing the value of a single performer. What I mean is yes, you and your job is very important, but this argument would only hold up if you were the only person in the world capable of doing it.

If they bring in the same crowd or viewership then fair enough. But i guarantee if if it was a womans only show lets say a giantlive where a mens show can easily pack a 10 thousand seater. Not a prayer a womans only show would bring that.

Might be a hot take but no I don’t think so. The guys bring the majority of the fans to the shows/views.

@JBS7551

Ай бұрын

💯

@daviesugo7641

Ай бұрын

If Rogue wants to pay them, what's the issue? It's their money.

@ThorsHammer88

Ай бұрын

@@daviesugo7641 No issue at all I’m just saying.

@daviesugo7641

Ай бұрын

@@ThorsHammer88 Okay that's fine, it's just weird seeing people pissed that Rogue are paying the women more money, when that money isn't coming out of the men's pockets.

If it allows the sport to grow more. Attract more newcomers. More gyms. Get it to an actual professional level then it's awesome.

Pay should be realtive to how much revenue the athletes bring in. It gets complicated when they combine men and women at the Arnolds for example, in which case they should go on the separated competition revenue prior to the Arnolds to get a handle on the relative popularity. Because if the men generate more revenue than the strongwomen and they combine them in a contest, it's logical to assume that the majority of the revenue is due to the men and they should get more pay. It comes down to basic evolutionary psychology, men have always been the warriors, hunters and builders, this is why men have superior physical strength especially in the upper body and people have always wanted to see the strongest men, just like people subconsciously want to see a man as the action hero in a movie and when they attempt to force women into those roles the film doesn't do as well. Still strongwoman is rightfully gaining in popularity, as it's great to see people of either gender pushing the limits of strength and testing themselves. Usually men are interested in women's sports when the women are hot, but there is a bond between lifters of all races and genders and it bypasses many prejudices. I think strongwomen are bringing in more and more revenue but they will never reach the level of strongmen because men will always be stronger and the ones we associate with ultimate strength.

Before watching : No Are we going to give the lightweights same pay outs who are achieving just as crazy feats of strength? It comes down to who’s watching watching, and how much money the women are bringing in. majority of people watch the standard opens. I watch mainly light weight and I love watching the women’s, but can guarantee most people don’t give a shit about the women’s side. Same as all other sports, the women need to push it more, they need to advertise to other women to watch the shows. Let’s be real, most every day female couldn’t give a shit about strongman never mind strong woman.

Another thing I thought of. I know she got injured but Victoria Long went and got a regular job. She knows she can't make it off strong woman alone.

I think most of the women's competition s are alot closer and it makes it worth watching 😊

whats ur wingspan Vytautas?

I actually do enjoy watching the stringwoman comps but I definitely wouldn't be paying for a GiantessLive subscription.

It's hard to find information on STRONGWOMAN except for the UK.

I also think strongwoman has a lot of the same appeal as women in mma. We have women deadlifting 700lbs log pressing 321, it's insane how sam belleavue circus db presses like 185lbs for reps as the lightest athlete. OSG is slowly growing more and more Pro strongman league has helped grow the sport more for weightclassed athletes. Safe to say part of the problem is the stereotypes of the sport. strongman are 6 ft 8 and 400lbs when one of the best is 100lbs lighter than the heaviest guy. There's 105kgs/231s that can lift some of the weights the heavy weight guys are moving. I think all the divisions are fun to watch honestly a lot of the women tend to have significantly better form then their male peers. There's a lot of potential in the sport with the new divisions of the sport

Interesting debate ty

It kinda has to be done since they are the main competitions, at the Shaw Classic the strongwomen part is absolutely not the main competition. They can't say the men get $110K and the women only get $70K because theres a phenomenon known as feminists. And perhaps Brian Shaw has the right approach since he recognizes strongwoman is a growing sport. I was watching Lithuanian log lifting championships and this lady got a 2nd place with a 50 KG log because the sport is so underdeveloped.

@petershortland478

Ай бұрын

50kg was this lady in lightweight class ?

@Vampire__Squid

Ай бұрын

@@petershortland478 Yes the lady in 1st in the 64KGs did 52.5KG. Meanwhile this guy in the open did 190 KG which is a common pro strongman weight.

No it doesn’t make sense. Strong women don’t get nearly the amount of viewers or interest as Strong Men.

If we are talking in principle then yes, both men and women work just as hard so the pay should be the same

Build it and they will come. This prize pot makes strongwoman a viable way to make some money and get a return on the invested time and effort. The money may attract women that otherwise would be in other sports, or just doing a regular job because sports dont pay enough.

Honestly it depends on if the competition is the same and where the revenue comes from. The Arnold UK and Classic both had the womens competition on the same stage between the men’s events with nearly identical events. That means there were no separate ticket sales or even different areas where it was split. The same eyeballs saw the womens side of comp as the men’s in those cases. That honestly made me way more interested in watching the womens side than in previous years since I was there to watch anyways. In those cases where every part of the competition is combined and revenue comes from booth sales, sponsors etc. it makes sense for equal payouts. The rogue invitational is posed to do the same so it makes sense to me. That being said if there was a worlds strongest woman and a worlds strongest man which existed as completely separate competitions, then you get paid whatever viewership you bring in. Unfortunately that’s likeley to always be disproportionate, but that’s just how it goes. I’m fine with the rogue or the Arnold doing this based on how I explained, but I don’t want this to give rise to some equity argument for completely separate shows.

They should get an equal percentile of the revenue they generate. If you generate $10 you should not get paid the same amount as someone who generates $100. If you pay both individuals equally regardless of how much revenue they generate that is called socialism.

@elknaberoni7292

Ай бұрын

yeah and thats a system thats fair

@spikeyspike79

Ай бұрын

@@elknaberoni7292go and live in Cuba or N Korea

@JEkglw

Ай бұрын

This take is nonsense. Nobody is forcing Rogue to make this decision, they are a private business (definition of capitalism).

@Jack-mv5fg

Ай бұрын

Socialism (the workers owning the means of production) is not an applicable description of a capitalist enterprise deciding how to pay privately contracted athletes

@Jack-mv5fg

Ай бұрын

Socialism (where the workers own the means of production) is not an applicable description of a capitalist enterprise setting the salary for privately contracted workers

There's still a big gap between 1st and 2nd at Shaw Classic SMOE. Brian won around $96k for 1st which was then distributed to the other athletes. So Mitch would've had about $43k for 2nd without the uplift. That's around 50% of 1st.

I want to watch the limits of what humans can physically do in terms of strength, so I watch open class strongman. I'm happy strongwoman, u105kg strongman, etc, is getting pushed because those who are interested can watch it and practice the sport, which grows it for everyone, but I personally want to watch giant men lifting heavy things.

This doesn’t make sense. Females lift around a 1/3 of the weight. Bring in 1/8 of the audience. And the reason CrossFit woman have more views is they are more attractive. Strongwoman are not the same look. No they should not be payed equal. They are not bringing in the crowds. But if the rouge want to pay them the same more power to them. But I would pay the most to who wins. And brings in audience.

@Adam-if4se

Ай бұрын

Not to mention if they automatically get paid the same. What's the incentive to work hard on social media, build a brand and help the bring eyes to the sport. If they get to just cruise and get paid high off the back of what the men have created, they can just train constantly. They won't need to try and build the sport. Some women do build a good brand but there are others that barely do a thing on social media and now there's no incentive to change that. If you get paid the same, you should bring the same revenue to be equal. That's just common sense.

Rogue was weak last year due to the weather. I’m excited for Aberdeen

Only reasonable way to find that out is to have seperate events/competitions and see how many turns up to see the men vs the women , with the same ticketprices.

@BobMc87

Ай бұрын

I agree.... What do you think would happen if the numbers who turned up and paid to see women was really low, and never covered the cost of the event?

@ronnylarock13

Ай бұрын

@@BobMc87 well since its 2024 i guess forced subsidiaries from the men.

@samalama918

Ай бұрын

@@BobMc87 I think we'd start hearing every single excuse under the sun, because they would not be able to handle the truth. Honestly, I have been enjoying the female comps, because I like some of the women and they usually have their events in between the men's events, which gives me something to watch while I wait. Then at the end of the Arnold UK I have to hear Lucy Underdown say "the women are as good as the men, if not better" and I just about flipped my lid. Give an inch and they want the whooooole mile.

@BobMc87

Ай бұрын

@@samalama918 Exactly.... strong man fans would be branded sexist and the sport would be sent back 20 years! Unfortunate, but its the way it is!

I think it is both quite simple, and a bit complicated. Its simple in that an athlete should be paid based on the revenue he/she brings in. What is their value? That's what their pay should be based on. The complicated part is working out what that value is. As far as growth is concerned, I do not believe Strong women will ever be any where near as big as the men. Very big woman in general are not seen as attractive, and that attractiveness has a large draw in and of itself. Somebody like Samantha Belliveau may be able to sell, but many others wont because people are vain. Chloe Brennan seems to do quite well outside of the competition floor, but thats largely because she has attractive personable qualities - she is naturally fun. Regards pure looks, a perfect example would be Vladislava Galagan. I'm betting most men would not be attracted to her body, but she has a beautiful face, and she is selling that very well right now. Strongmen on the other hand, well a strong man sells itself, and has done since the time of Hercules, in stories, gladiatorial feats etc.

Well said bros.

Nope! Unless they want to compete with the men in the real show!

Didn't even know it existed before watching this. But yeah, they can get paid equally, to get a bigger boost for the sport. The concept's amazing, they still lifting way heavier shit than any average man could lift. Obviously not the same views, but majority of strongmen right now get their views from youtube. So does it even matter in the end? It's a strongman competition and people will still buy the ticket to the event, and now you get to watch some ladieees risk their bodies lifting huge weights. I see it as positive, they're still on the same show/event. Just lifting different.

I think strong woman is half as old as the men. I appreciate the women, but no way do they deserve that much money. On separate days or totally different time. The women would never get enough eyes to pay for the 3rd place prize.

@JBS7551

Ай бұрын

Yup! They lump them in with Men to artificially pump the views for them.

If rouge want to pay x amount for both sides of the gender. Thats their call. At the end of the day. It depends on the sponsors and audience Sure the prizes are different in giants live, shaw, arnolds etc. Thats their call and how they want to distribute their funds for the atheletes

Was hoping you guys would cover this. Who ever brings in more revenue should be paid more. Right now and for the foreseeable future, that is the men. I think the men getting the same prize is a slap in the face to them. If women actually had separate date shows, the views/attendance would be low. Go look at liz/loz vids on strongman and then one of strongwomen. The view count difference there alone speaks volumes Its being forced down our throat

@paavoilves5416

Ай бұрын

I know what you mean but tbh no one is forcing anything on you.

Ideally it should be the same money for both. As it stands right now, it doesn't make financial sense based on where the sport is. Hopefully we get the growth needed for that, if we make an effort to show up to the competitions and support the amazing ladies. It'll only make it better for everyone, and more athletes will join when it's a viable career opportunity.

Absolutely not.

Nice bideo

I would love you guys to make a video on your thoughts on the state of Wsm... Seems like they are dropping the ball lately and need to level up to keep up with other comps

@JBS7551

Ай бұрын

Good idea

The CrossFit folk get the same from Rogue so why not strongman?

Thing is Rogue is doing it for Rogue as you said, they don´t relly on tickets sells or other ways of income that other strongman shows have to, plus, despise the strongman section of the invitational, the big moyority is crossfit and as you adressed it, is woman dominated sport. So in that context i don´t see any issue if Rogue want to pay the same to man and woman, plus, is their money. The issue would be IF atlethes start demanding regular strongman shows that relly on the other ways of income to pay exactly the same to man and woman, cause then there is a problem. Strongwoman is a growing sport, i find it exciting and honestly enjoy the girls doing weights in between the man events, like in the Arnolds´, is much better than 2 hours of nothing, effort and dedication is always worth watching plus you can learn a thing or two. That been said, obviously the girls are not bringing the same amount of money to the sport as the lads, and specially big lads like Eddie, Brian or Thor. Is exactly like Rousey said, if you bring eyes to watch this show then you deserve a higher pay, that is regardless of your weight class or gender.

I sort of feel as though rogue pays out too much for the men and the women, very cotnroversial take i know. It disguises the fact that their competition is actually quite poor - look at last year, it was a total shambles. It also makes it more or less impossible for the small companies that run strongman shows to keep up financially and may result in less shows and oppurtunities for athletes. This is heightened in the womens divisions

However, i did like that they have women-men-women-men, as the men would have recovery time anyway. So you get constant action, that is good. Equal pay? Hell no. Then they need to put on PURE women strongman cards and see how much revenue they can generate through views and hype. They can do that, and work out the statistics. Anything else is politics.

No, payment should come from performance. People go to watch the guys. If the woman’s gets a superstar that brings people in then their compensation should go up. Look at the NCAA’s woman’s final basketball game. They had more views than the men. Because they had a superstar people wanted to watch.

I'm all for it - especially considering the Arnold Classic - the women's show was so much better than the men's!

@hairyape_8103

Ай бұрын

Entitled to your opinion but your view is not the reality. The Open men are the Pinnacle and most dont want to watch a second rate product. Most viewers only saw the women at arnolds bc they shoe horned them b4 the men

@davidfindlay878

Ай бұрын

@@hairyape_8103 in my opinion, at this year's Arnold Classic, the 'Pinnacle' were the second rate product. But you, too, are entitled to your opinion.

@paavoilves5416

Ай бұрын

@@hairyape_8103 This years Arnold's mens comp only Thor's DL, Hooper's axle press and Mateusz stones were interesting. Rest of the mens show was fat men not performing or getting injured. Womens comp had intense competition, records broken in every event and huge energy.

This year Rogue will be bigger because Hafthor & Mitch plus Tom , will be there.

Is it really "growing the sport' if all the women will now train for one event a year? (where they can win 100k instead of 10k like all the other events). If anything that will shrink the sport because there would be only one event a year with all the top athletes.

Men watch strongman to kinda see where they stand and be entertained... Women don't really watch strongman. For me there is very little entertainment in watching someone lift less than me. I think they should sell tickets for each division and pay accordingly. Paying women more just because they're women is very offensive

@elknaberoni7292

Ай бұрын

so you actively deny women a career in this sport

@1vootman

Ай бұрын

100%

@allylilith5605

Ай бұрын

@@elknaberoni7292 do you deny smaller men a career in this sport?

@balkamp8888

Ай бұрын

I didn't say that at all, I just don't find entertainment in it.

@elknaberoni7292

Ай бұрын

@@allylilith5605 nice strawman i never said anything like this

Rouge is just trolling Colin Bryce and the Arnold’s cause they can. They got money to burn. They don’t give a crap how much the woman draw. I love it. Colin and company are way to cheap to be able to mentally deal with this. Go Rouge

ROGUE funds Arnold's. I thought

I dont watch women strongman comps, i will never watch it, its the same like fighting sports for women. I dont watch it, i dont care for it. I respect them for putting in the work and preparing for comps but thats not my cup of tea. Sorry everyone.

@bruuhhhh

Ай бұрын

Ok but other people do?

I think you presented the facts well. The women’s sport is still a bit of an oddity, deep voices most of them look like men. Women’s strongman really needs the feminine looking, good personality and winning show piece so young woman say I want to do that. People have to remember in Mens sport you are generally seeing the peak of performance due to the obvious strength difference, that is why it is more broadly watched.

The last 2 years at the American womens Arnolds it has been impressive but thats the only show that seems to draw in the crowd .If the strongwomens went out on its own i don't think it would survive...

@neal520

Ай бұрын

The people there are just sitting in their seats waiting for the men’s show now, if it was like a before where it was just people from the expo going in and out it’d be empty for the women

I think in strongman/strongwoman knowing the competitors makes it much more interesting Loz and Liz doing the behind the scenes, and the interviews with the women make me much more interested in the woman's side of things. And, honestly Arnolds UK women was much more interesting than the men's side Social media is the way to grow this sport, I think.

The success of strongwomen is very much dependent on both the shows promoting them AND the women promoting themselves. Frankly, neither the promoters or the athletes do a good job of this. Then, they point at each other and complain about strongwomen's lack of popularity.

If everyone got paid based on revenue generated then the people in sales would be the only ones getting paid. Society pays based on perceived value and it's up to Rogue if strongwomen is as valuable to them as men's.

@allylilith5605

Ай бұрын

the people in sales cant sell anything without the men competing, but can sell just about the same without the women competing

@JBS7551

Ай бұрын

The salesman aren't the product ya dunce

I'm just here to say HELL NO! If it weren't for the men's and women's competitions happening at the same venues on the same weekends, the revenue the women bring in would be hardly a fraction of the men. I watch the women's comps only because they're taking place at the same time as the men's competition I'm actually trying to watch. They should get an equal proportion of what they bring in, and not a cent more.

Im just going to come out and say it, Strong woman is hard on the eyes...there i said it, and since men are the ones watching sports 90%(or more), we are visual creatures, especially young men, its not something that draws us in. Crossfit women are beautiful looking in tight fitting athletic wear, plus total specimens and guys will watch that all day...and on top of that many male strength athletes can lift more than the females SW competitors so its not really that compelling for us. Those are my unfiltered feelings about SW...other than that they are okey👌🏻

@elknaberoni7292

Ай бұрын

you missed the point of the sport go back to body building

@1vootman

Ай бұрын

​@@elknaberoni7292 I've been a big fan since the 80's when i was in HS then used some events to help train for college wrestling (like stones), so i've known this soort for a while. I'm just giving you my unfiltered truth Ché, and I think for a lot of guys as well.

@bruuhhhh

Ай бұрын

We all like to watch attractive people I won't deny that but it's way way way down the list of priorities for what makes strongwoman a great sport, and they have all the major things covered. This is obvious by the rate at which the women's side is growing

@1vootman

Ай бұрын

​@@bruuhhhhIn and of itself SW is awesome and im happy for the competitors, but that's just my knee jerk response to the question of why SW is not as popular, hence why they have in its short history not gotten equal pay...without tagging onto SM how many ppl would watch it? I'm not 100% sure on this, but didn't WSW get canceled?

@paavoilves5416

Ай бұрын

You're watching the wrong sport, buddy. It's about performance under heavy weight, not a beauty pageant contest like bodybuilding.

People in this comment section keep comparing our sport to basketball and soccer and such. Strongman/strong woman is not a normal sport. You gotta look at it on its own. They been live streaming the men and the women together lately and I think it's been going just fine. Has viewership gone down because of it? They do deserve to make the same money, problem is our world isnt fair and basically everything you see needs to be fixed. Does Justin Bieber deserve to make millions more dollars a year than a firefighter or a paramedic? The way to start changing things is to start changing them. Pay them the same. Rogue has the right idea. Interest in the sport on the womens side has been shooting up lately ever since they started getting Livestreamed along side the men.

@JBS7551

Ай бұрын

Who brings in the views? Who brings in more revenue? Your Bieber analogy sucked too. He brings in a shit ton of revenue and gets compensated.

@dunstonmunson8314

Ай бұрын

You still didn't answer the question. Does Justin Bieber deserve to make millions of dollars more than a fire fighter or a paramedic?

@dunstonmunson8314

Ай бұрын

​@@JBS7551The answer to the Bieber question is that Bieber is a non essential worker. People like me, I'm a grocery stocker, we are essential workers, people would die if we didn't put food on the shelves for them. There would be nothing on the shelves. In an ideal world people would be paid based on the value of what they bring to the w 0:01 orld. Based on that I would be making millions for stocking the shelves, and Bieber, and strongmen and strongwomen would all be making minimum wage. Because they are non essential workers. So do you see now how totally off base you were?

@dunstonmunson8314

Ай бұрын

​@@JBS7551​ The answer to the Bieber question is that Bieber is a non essential worker. People like me, I'm a grocery stocker, we are essential workers, people would die if we didn't put food on the shelves for them. There would be nothing on the shelves. In an ideal world people would be paid based on the value of what they bring to the w 0:01 orld. Based on that I would be making millions for stocking the shelves, and Bieber, and strongmen and strongwomen would all be making minimum wage. Because they are non essential workers. So do you see now how totally off base you were?

@dunstonmunson8314

Ай бұрын

​@@JBS7551​ The answer to the Bieber question is that Bieber is a non essential worker. People like me, I'm a grocery stocker, we are essential workers, people would die if we didn't put food on the shelves for them. There would be nothing on the shelves. In an ideal world people would be paid based on the value of what they bring to the w 0:01 orld. Based on that I would be making millions for stocking the shelves, and Bieber, and strongmen and strongwomen would all be making minimum wage. Because they are non essential workers. So do you see now how totally off base you were?

Lalas is always thinking about the bottom line. 🤑

Women athletes could be the highest paid athletes in the world if all the women watched the sports. The problem is they don’t. Nothing wrong with saying women are into women stuff like clothing purses make up and men are into men’s stuff like strength football, sports. If All the women in America watched the WNBA. The WNBA players would get paid more than the NBA players. Same goes for strong man and any other sport. I’m sure the models who walked down the walkway. The women get paid much more than the guys who do it. Just the way it’s always been.

@abellabarbie

Ай бұрын

I've been an athlete my entire life and love strength sports. You just sound silly. I watch men's and women's sports. Men need to evaluate why they can't stand women's sports, when the majority of women who watch sports can sit and watch men's sports with no issues... That is where the real issue lies...

@yougotfelted8297

Ай бұрын

@@abellabarbieno one cares about women sports, they do not draw any money. Seethe more.

@r2dadizubz

Ай бұрын

@@abellabarbie Why are you trying to make this a gender issue? You can't speak for all women.

@BobMc87

Ай бұрын

​@@abellabarbieI think you are wrong here. Why should I watch womens sports? I only want to watch the top guys compete. Zero interest in watching strong woman.... same as women have zero interest in watching strong woman. Why am I the problem here? I'm allowed free choice am I not?

@JBS7551

Ай бұрын

Well said

No

Gonna be real awkward when a lower level strongman *identifies* as a strongwoman to win that Rogue prize money 🤣

@TylerSmithMusic1

Ай бұрын

That doesn’t actually happen you goon. Chill out

@um8778

Ай бұрын

@@TylerSmithMusic1 Lia Thomas, Veronica Ivy, and soon.....Edwina Hall

@RubbishGimpy

Ай бұрын

@@um8778 Paula Smith

I understand why lots of people are saying no, but the fact is the men are still getting paid the same, the crossfit is still getting paid the same. Nobody here is financially losing out except arguably Rogue in the short term, but they clearly see it as an investment into the womens sport which they believe will pay off in the long term.

"I won 2nd place in world's strongest man" Wait a minute, does internet search, this is Vytautus Lalas. I watched this channel multiple times thinking these guys were just some random youtubers. This dude is legit. He's also the 2013 ASC winner.

@Vampire__Squid

Ай бұрын

Yea hes got credibility, his strongman record is as impressive as someone like JF Caron

I don't think the men are getting paid less as a result of this. Rogue is throwing a bone to the strongman community with these contests. It's not like the men's pay is being given to the women. The pie is so big that both parties can get a serving. They aren't sharing a piece.

Time will tell.👍

Must of us are not interested in men weight classes, only open. Now, strongwomen…

No.

The real benefit that Strongwoman brings to their audience is that they are very competitive right now. There is no Mitch Hooper, Brian Shaw types who are good at every event. Look at the Arnolds, no one expected that outcome. The uncertainty and no over the top standout makes it a much more entertaining watch than say the Arnolds UK where you could have added Mitch’s name to the trophy before the show started. Hopefully this pays off to show that the money can follow the Woman’s competition.

Dont see an issue seeing as women want to make a living from this sport alot women work jobs on top of their time training they want to at least win something big so they can survive financially

@allylilith5605

Ай бұрын

amateur and weightclass and slightly lower level top men also want to make a living from the sport, and have arguably more public interest without being offered anywhere close the same opportunities

@daviesugo7641

Ай бұрын

​@@allylilith5605 and they are growing too. Are the women taken mo ey from the amateur or lower weight classes

The more strong woman is promoted and funded , just like strong man more alpha type athletes will want to try it. As we are beginning to see now.

If rogue wants to try and push the women's side of the sport, I don't see how that's a bad thing.

@yougotfelted8297

Ай бұрын

I dont care for it. That time and money could be put into a better comp for the men.

@user-pw7xy2sm8i

Ай бұрын

​@@yougotfelted8297I'm sure plenty more CrossFit fans don't care for strongman, so by your logic Rogue should stop wasting time and money on strongman.

@petershortland478

Ай бұрын

​@yougotfelted8297 yet Womens side tend to be exciting

@bruuhhhh

Ай бұрын

​@@yougotfelted8297 But the prize money for the men hasn't gone down? In fact it will probably end up higher than last year. If they were cutting the mens then I'd agree but they're not

@allylilith5605

Ай бұрын

@@user-pw7xy2sm8i looking and the live chat, it feels like 90% of people watch the rogue invitiational for strongman, not crossfit

Definitely!

I think they should. It will attract more women to the sport if they are represented more. As others have said, I enjoy seeing people pushing themselves, men and women. I had a blast watching the women on the Arnold stream, it was less predictable than the men.

It will never be as popular to watch the super heavy weight Strongwomen compete, we all know why... We can dance around it and pretend we don't know why or just tell it straight. Some of them look like Men and others are super overweight, neither is something that regular women or men that like Strongman sport wants to look at. You could argue that them getting the same money for the same effort is fair, and yes it will give the top a better chance to make it their full time profession. But they are getting that extra money at the expense of the StrongMEN that attracts people to buy the PPV and tickets, in my oppinion.

@JBS7551

Ай бұрын

Bingo

@kanedelaney7645

Ай бұрын

Idk about their looks being the deciding factor, I think seeing a chick whether fat or lean lift shit is cool. However, it will never be as entertaining cause they can’t lift the weights that the men do. Lady’s like Andrea and Angelica are powerhouses, and their athletes, but unfortunately it all comes down to demand, and people want to see strongmen, not strongwomen.