Some people want to play with planeswalkers in their decks without having to spend +$10 on a single card. Like you said, if they printed good pws in these then prices would skyrocket, so they are made purposely bad for constructed play. The decks have a clear theme (vehicles and energy), some synergy, and a planeswalker, and I think that appeals to a lot of people. Not everyone is crazy into Modern or EDH, or know about which cards will hold value or not. Some people just want to sit down and *spoiler* have a fun relaxed game of mtg every once in a while.

@patrickduquette4306

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly!! well said

@squall1822

7 жыл бұрын

I agree entirely! I have about 4000 pokemon cards and I have maybe 6000 on the Pokemon Online TCG. I am just starting to learn MTG. To me these are like theme decks from Pokemon. They are built to go against each other. These are not made for anyone that plays friday night magic. My girlfriend and I play against each other in theme decks all the time since she doesn't want to build decks. Her interest is solely in playing equally built decks. She doesn't care if they aren't good in "standard" or "unlimited" format in Pokemon. We just started playing Blessed vs Cursed decks and she loves it. Those decks are super generic but we just shuffle them up and play. Got it for 15 bucks and we keep playing them over and over. These products aren't made for the "real" Magic player. I will never buy a Pokemon theme deck and use it at a tournament. It is just common sense.

@ericofire

7 жыл бұрын

right... but the deck can be good and still accomplish that goal. that's why he brought up battle decks, because they're exactly what these are trying to be. i agree with you about the planeswalkers, but beyond that i cant understand how this has any appeal over a battle deck

@metalsabatico

7 жыл бұрын

ericofire because they are diverse, which is exactly the opposite from most constructed decks that usually only have 10 or 11 different cards in them (which is what the prof wants). the decks serve as an introduction to the game and display many different effects that the color combinations can have. it doesn't matter if some effects are suboptimal for whatever the deck's main strategy is, they give you a sense of the flavor of the colors.

@ericofire

7 жыл бұрын

idk man, i've been teaching new players the game at my own expense for 10 years, and i've found that having a variety of different cohesive decks to pic from trumps having a few decks that try to be multiple decks in one. i'm not talking about suboptimal effects, sometimes that is necessary to keep things balanced. i'm talking about consistency. if these are supposed to be a teaching tool, then consistency is FAR more important than diversity. you can argue against that till you're blue in the face, but that is just a raw fact of teaching. and not just for mtg. just like with the commander decks, if new players had an arsenal of starter decks to pick from, then they would get that diversity you are talking about. but having a red deck that sometimes works like a fast red deck, and sometimes works like a midrange black deck is just going to confuse new players, and slow their progression.

WotC should really push pauper as an intro format and build intro products around it with notion of "fun, relax and affordable" all over it.

@shorewall

7 жыл бұрын

Push Pauper? Doesn't that go against the spirit of the Format?

@NameEntry

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that would drive prices up like what happened with Modern Masters.

@ronnyay

7 жыл бұрын

prof always say paper pauper deserve more care, too :p

@Demosthenes6666

7 жыл бұрын

This. I basically threw myself into through Pauper, and much of my learning experience with the format has been getting measurably wrecked by decks I didn't know existed and didn't know how to side against. I have yet to do a single true home brew, which is what drew me to the format in the first place. If I were actually part of an IRL playground, these intro decks would have been a way better foot in the door for me.

Am I the only one who's a little miffed by the fact that the two planeswalkers they chose for the decks also happen to have much better, standard playable versions of themselves in the newest set? It's like saying: "Hey, thanks for buying our Chandra deck! By the way, your Chandra sucks, why not chase the actually good Chandra?"

@TolarianCommunityCollege

7 жыл бұрын

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@TomsThoughtsonThings

7 жыл бұрын

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@arenkai

7 жыл бұрын

The ugliest PLANESWALKER ever printed

@lumijo2407

7 жыл бұрын

Chandra, Firebrand and Liliana of the Dark Realms handily hold that title. This Chandra is more insulting than ugly.

@ms.sysbit5511

7 жыл бұрын

Najarala they were designed for that purpose. To fetishize walkers to new players. They are designed to revolve around the walkers and implant that idea they are necessary in new their heads. I despise this direction for MTG. We all know they want you to chase Chandra/Nissa from the packs as your standard legal one will get curb stomped in comparison to the pack ones. Folks are just now seeing this? I have been saying this since the day they dropped their new product article describing these messes.

Subbed. Your content is extremely informative and actually enjoyable to watch. You've saved me a good amount on these new products via your reviews.

@TolarianCommunityCollege

7 жыл бұрын

Cheers! And welcome!

So usually I wouldn't pay for these but my local store here in South Africa (woohoo #teamunseen) has a great plan). You buy an Planeswalker deck and play with the deck as it is out of the box. Each week you pay R100 ($7.39) for entry, (except the first week) this covers your normal event entry of R35 ($2.59) and gets you a booster for R65 ($4.80). The contents of the booster that you buy is recorded and you may augment the deck with cards from the booster only. (Except week one where you may use the 2 boosters from the Planeswalker Deck box) This happens for 4 weeks, normal prizes, but the winner of the league gets free entry into games day! I am a new player (since gatewatch) and never do well at making a deck or even at a standard fnm and so this seems like a great idea for new players to not only learn how to play the game but also learn how to modify or even build decks better. Plus everybody will be on the same level week one and will give players like me the chance to learn more.

@do0m819

7 жыл бұрын

Sounds awesome! Good luck!

@DaleWrecker

7 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what my LGS is going to do this Saturday. They're calling it Beginner's League, everyone buys one of the planeswalkers decks + another booster for 15 euros. Each week you can buy another booster for 4 euros. Person with most wins after 5 weeks wins a Kaladesh bundle, rest get boosters and sleeves.

@zanerich9460

6 жыл бұрын

Matthew Rhodes sounds cool

As a relatively new player (2.5 years), I must disagree on two points. 1. Lack of multiple copies of cards. As a new player, I wanted to play everything. Even a playset feels too boring. I want to play all of the cards! I would much rather get to experience a variety of cards, and have different game play each time, than a more consistent deck. 2. Mostly commons. As a new player, the common/uncommon/rare/mythic designations meant nothing to me. I wanted cards that had lovely art and interesting flavor text. I drafted tons of commons because I thought they were neat. (And then would construct a deck with just one or two, because again, I wanted to play all the cards.) I grabbed a Chandra and Nissa deck over the weekend at pre-release, but haven't opened them yet. I can't tell you if these decks are good or bad, better or worse than intro decks. As a still pretty new player, I don't know all the ins and outs of the various business models and trends. I do remember being grateful for the Theros (and other) intro decks, though, to help me get into the game! I like drafting, but it was so intimidating! I admire the Professor's passion and love for MtG, but when immersed in the topic for so long, it's easy to forget what it's like to be new, and what new players might be interested in. Regardless, thank you for the video -- even if I disagree, I still enjoy watching!

@abhikan7654

3 жыл бұрын

As another new player, I totally agree.

@arianabdolahy8276

Жыл бұрын

As another new player, I totally disagree.

I think people view these products from the wrong angle. From a standard players perspective, I like them, and here's why: Standard itself gives me customization and competition. Duel decks, into packs, and now these planeswalker packs, are a neat way to just kill a few hours and get a game in with little to no preparation. I never bust these decks up. I like having them to just play and get the feel of the plane. You can upgrade them if you like, usually for cheap, and go back to tarkir or theros or wherever you like. It's about fun and feel, not power and value with these types of decks. I'll admit, I would like to see them focus more on balance of play with products like these, ESPECIALLY in the case of duel decks. I'm all for seeing them have more playable cards included or cool reprints, but these products are more like buying a board game. I like them that way. Some of my favorite play experiences are from duel decks. Knights vs Dragons, Jace vs Chandra, Ajani vs Nicol Bolas, Heroes vs Monsters... Anytime, anywhere, let's do it. Making these a great playable experience should be the primary goal. I would love to design duel decks based on magic lore, or see others homebrew duel decks! Planeswalker packs, as long as balanced, could be similarly playable. I miss clash packs for this reason. Wizards could give out planeswalkers as fnm promos if their value gets too high. They could have an unlimited printing policy on planeswalker decks, or simply begin to include the cards in the set. There are ways to solve that problem if indeed they climb in value. And as far as the one or two of copies in a deck, that keeps the experience varied. You might always have a three drop on turn three, but it might not be the best one. The casual game doesn't have to have the same board state every game. Limited is fun because games aren't pushed like that. I think these products should be looked at from a different perspective than money or standard playability. I probably didn't communicate in the best way everything I love about preconstucted products, but I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying. Thanks for keeping the honest content coming. Love the idea of battle decks. Never would have heard of them if it weren't for you. We appreciate all you do!

@FusterIsBased

7 жыл бұрын

The problem is with these decks new players have no real viable way to get into standard or have a decent deck for FNM at a reasonable cost. I'd actually go back and play standard again if there was a pre-con that was reasonably decent and upgradeable. It obviously doesn't have to be PT caliber but I'd like a reasonable chance at FNMs.

@jovarx2064

7 жыл бұрын

I challenge you, buy one of the planeswalker decks take out the planeswalker and the 2 tutors replace with any other 3 cards you like. Then play a tier 1 standard deck or go to an fnm and play. Keep track of how you won the game or more importantly how you lost. Remember magic is better balanced now than in the past.

@janadam5254

7 жыл бұрын

Except these have pretty clear-cut *one* strategy, thanks to being only two of them.

Now that's a good review. Hearing Wizards intentionally patronising new players with bad cards and even telling us that, as though we're supposed to agree is extremely cynical. Products like this should fail.

@Tedurbin202

7 жыл бұрын

I was really hoping wizards learned their lesson and that these decks were going to contain some decent stuff. Now when the Liliana deck comes out eventually, I know I'm pretty much burning 15 dollars just to keep my Liliana collection going. Ugh.

@BravoSquid

7 жыл бұрын

You do get 2 boosters, so it's more like $7 right? :)

@MsNosis

7 жыл бұрын

but then, those boosters are likely not very useful in the deck (the odds of actually pulling cards that fit the deck, that is) so maybe the boosters shouldn't be valued that highly, and instead the product should be a lot cheaper to be worth it.

@Pleyarrz

7 жыл бұрын

+Metalgear Yes indeed, people are buying this because they are fan of nissa or chandra, there are also apparently a lot of people who dont buy online and collects cards just for the art.

Perhaps the didn't pain multiple copies of each card to let the players experience a wider variety of games and cards.

@WhoniverseReview

7 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. The decks are still utter crap, but for a good introduction to the game, variety is more important than having a repetitive deck.

@Tombonzo

7 жыл бұрын

WhoniverseReview on the flip side, and I'm not disagreeing with you as I do see that point.... Might as well teach new players decks that have "Focus" which are decks with play sets of 3 and mostly 4 cards. After all, this is what most decks try to become. Focused, synergies! But yes, I can remember liking decks with all kinds of different cards, it was fun to see the cards in action. And two decks alike are great for really new players. But fairly soon, new players need to start getting focused synergy to their decks if you want to be even a little competitive.

@dyrnwynski

7 жыл бұрын

I don't think I agree with that. An introduction to the game and a learning experience should be effective at what they do. You can't learn through variety, they are ideas that are inherently at odds. I think trying to make a deck with a variety of cards is simply a wrong headed idea because it will only lesson the value of learning to play with those cards. This is a bad idea because such a product is trying to be two incompatible things, a good learning experience and a complete experience. This is just fighting entropy. Will a player really learn to understand the value of haste if their haste creatures only show up randomly and inconsistently? I think these decks suffer from keyword and mechanic overload, they are too complicated. I remember in the past there was a very clever Magic intro deck thing that had a super simple base deck with only french vanilla creatures and some simple spells, then it came with an additional pack of cards, not a booster pack but preselected cards. These cards were meant to be added to make a complete deck and included things like artifacts and activated and triggered abilities. I think this modular idea has a lot more merit than just shoving against the the complexity wall and hoping you magically make something complete, yet beginner, simple, yet varied, round, yet square. My suggestion would be a basic 40 card deck that is easy for beginners to learn and comes with 2 or 3 expansions packs that can be used to upgrade it into different decks. The Chandra deck could be a basic R/W deck with nothing very interesting and then it could have one pack that adds what you need to make an aggressive vehicle deck and one package that makes it more of a reach based burn deck. The Nissa deck could be split between energy tempo and straight ramp. This way you can cheat complexity by providing multiply products in one. Each deck runs more smoothly than the current Planeswalker decks because it doesn't have as much chafe from the other strategy. I got totally off topic talking about product ideas though. Not only do I think the idea of providing a diverse experience just isn't a good one. I do think you've hit on a lot of the reasoning but it's just so random. Why is skyswirl harrier in the deck? Why only 1 of each pilot? Pilots are fun! Why would you only put 4 in the deck? Because the new player must learn how to play with Trusty Companion? really, is that relevant? Wouldn't the deck be more fun with more pilots instead of Trusty Companion? What it actually seems like is that there's a small sample of anything fun, but only 1 or 2 of them, then if a player finds that piloting vehicles is fun and they want more pilots they're encouraged to buy more packs. Yeah that's kind of cynical but why else would the most fun cards be represented only a tiny bit more than Trusty Companion? To benefit the .005% of players that like Trusty Companion more than piloting vehicles? No sir it's because if the vehicle player has playable pilots (which by the way are worth nothing anyway) instead of Trusty Companions they will have to buy that many fewer packs to get them.

@WhoniverseReview

7 жыл бұрын

True, but there are also ways to allow focus while also having variety by having similar cards instead of having the same card. For instance, 2x Shock and 2x Searing Spear. With a rules card mention that you're allowed up to 4-of, people can buy boosters if they want that fine tuning. On the other hand, single copies in an intro deck are a terrible idea if they're not legendary.

@dyrnwynski

7 жыл бұрын

I agree in principle. I think these decks and ones before often fail at this in practice. The cards need to be really comparable for something like that to make sense. For instance in the Chandra deck I don't find anything wrong with the inclusion of Fateful Showdown alongside the common burn spell, it's a different take and it's a little more situational and techy. But on the other hand there is no real justification for some of the other splits in the same deck. Skyswirl Harrier should just not be in the deck, it's not good and it has no synergy with any of the strategies. It provides nothing of value to the play experience. These "filler" cards are what make me suspicious as they don't really do anything but make the deck less effective.

No, Professor. Improving and learning is the bread and butter of new player experience. Holding a game changing planeswalker in hand is exciting for a beginner even if it is overcosted. The thing being sold is the experience.

@shorewall

7 жыл бұрын

I agree. I think players have to learn to be good. If you give a new player a tuned tournament deck, they probably wouldn't even like it.

@shionkreth7536

7 жыл бұрын

He's not suggesting a fine tuned tournament deck, though; he's suggesting a consistent deck with a reliable strategy that resembles a real magic the gathering deck that won't be overpowered in a second by even second and third tier decks.

@TheEarthdeity

7 жыл бұрын

But the experience isn't magic. The first problem is, you give a beginner their first experience with magic with something that isn't anything close to an actual deck for any format. So they enter the game filled with misconceptions about what constitutes a deck of magic cards. Then, when they work this out, they also realise the deck has no financial value - so they wasted their money. Finally, and by far the most important - these decks can ONLY play against themselves. ANY standard deck, heck any kitchen table deck, will take these decks to the cleaners. How will you improve or learn anything playing a deck that never wins, except that the game of MTG is unfair for new players. Even the old idea of upgrading this deck into a standard playable deck is laughable. You'd start by throwing the entire deck away. The new player who buys this deck will quickly realise that the "game changing planeswalker" as you put it, the best card in the deck, is completely unplayable and worthless in a real game.

@janadam5254

7 жыл бұрын

A consistent deck with a reliable strategy - the RW vehicle aggro is what, chopped liver? :)

@janadam5254

7 жыл бұрын

TheEarthDeity: *", heck any kitchen table deck, will take these decks to the cleaners"* - you are apparently so deep in so-called "Competitive Magic" that you have no idea anymore what a real kitchen table deck is :-)

I've been watching a lot of vids recently and I've stumbled across this beauty of a channel I've just started magic and find your channel entertaining and informative well done mate just earnt yourself a sub ;)

The product costs 14.95. It comes with with 4.34 worth of cards for the lower lriced Nissa deck (taking out the unique cards). 2 Boost packs sold for about 4 dollars a piece. And the unique cards that you will not get anywhere else. Honestly, I'd say it's a pretty good deal. Sure, I wish they would have gone for more consistent decks, but getting something that could compete at FNM level couldn't be done without raising the price tag beyond what a new/returning player would pay.

I love that they come with deck boxes (which you missed out on - I guessed you passed it up as part of the packaging.) I also agree - these decks should be playable and more consistent. Picking one up for FNM would be an amazing idea.

This is only made more depressing by the fact that your Pokemon precon review was so amazing. It feels like these sorts of intro packs are just a waste of everyone's time, include the poor employees who have to intentionally make a bad product. I would compare the construction of these decks to either a draft or sealed deck, but with 60 cards. I mean, I WOULD make that comparison if you didn't also do a video on the Battle Packs that are exactly that and so much more. How can a company that puts out passable Commander decks put out these piles of garbage?

@jackfrost8865

7 жыл бұрын

martypunker Because they want to drive the sales of booster packs. Since Commander won't do that they can make good Commander decks. It's all about the $$$ and not pissing off the 2nd hand market that sells singles since they open the most packs.

@generalgrievous6570

7 жыл бұрын

All the other pokemon precons are full of bulk too though

@mal3k1th

7 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that the pokemon precons reviewed by the professor are not equivalent to intro packs or these new planeswalker decks. Pokemon intro packs usually are FAR worse than the magic ones. Those pokemon precons are more akin in design to duel decks, and they kept them full of standard playable cards because there's no eternal formats in that game (I mean, unlimited is a thing, but it doesnt receive tournament support).

@2kdesignstudios72

7 жыл бұрын

Id just say that they are cheaper than four packs and you have a lot better chance of a playable (not to mean competitive) deck. The product that you described they should make were the now defunct Event decks, maybe the best standard products Wizards has made. Magic precons still destroy pokemon precons in every way. The Rayquaza vs Keldeo is more a Duel deck done right, but the jist of those decks (like Duel decks) are not standard playable. another great vid.

@Dragoon7895

7 жыл бұрын

Isn't extended an eternal format similar to modern in mtg?

I was hoping you would make a video on this product, because I was planning on buying it. Thank you! Now I know better 😊

I'm still very new to magic, this videos help lot. thank you for making them.

The best change from intro packs is that they're only printing 2 per set instead of 5, and I'm not even trying to be snarky. New players didn't need that many options and they took up too much shelf space.

@TolarianCommunityCollege

7 жыл бұрын

That's a good point, actually.

@nikkis.2066

7 жыл бұрын

I personally disagree and feel options and more choices at least gave more creativity, or more ways to update and branch out with an idea of how a color they may get into more over the others. My best friend was extremely excited hearing about the different colors and what they typically represented and did. With the options and visual display, he was able to also identify all 5 colors and splashing them.

@pdieraue

7 жыл бұрын

Having all those choices available is good, but the entire lineup doesn't need to be refreshed every 3 months. If they don't print another deck with a red planeswalker in 6 months, this Chandra deck will still be fine to purchase.

Didn't the Event Decks accomplish this goal better?

@TolarianCommunityCollege

7 жыл бұрын

They did. They were discontinued.

@stevenvaughn9080

7 жыл бұрын

They seemed like a better product for beginners. Maybe WOTC should use the Magic Duels video game to teach how Planeswalkers work if they are afraid of disrupting the secondary market.

@michaela71

7 жыл бұрын

They were also much more expensive yet included much more useful cards.

@Svstrauser

7 жыл бұрын

So much better! I miss them...

@Svstrauser

7 жыл бұрын

They were doing too good of a job, it seems. XD

I am still so impressed by how consistently your video quality improves, man. Audio, your performances, transitions, your points, they all get better and better over time. Thank you for making this content.

interesting take on the planeswalker decks I'll be sure to keep an eye, or two, on the value. Thank you for all the work you do, your videos are very helpful and entertaining and I hope Heliod burns with envy at how bright your future is, faifarhren professor

I think this assumes that every player will end up competitive, and that consistent experience is the best way to learn. I would contend that the variance in play adds to the experience, and allows a new player to decide which cards are good/bad/fun and invites them to swap them out for playsets of different cards. I started with the Elspeth side of EvsT duel decks and ended up refining it over years into a mono-white soldiers tribal that finishes with Armored Ascension. Had the decks been super consistent, I wouldn't have had the opportunity to change it as I grew as a player. Also, competitive decks are relative to the meta power level, but also often include more complex strategies that may not be able to be tailored to new players. Unless they're all burn or aggro.

Professor, the unique cards can be used with any planeswalker of the same type, meaning you can use the nissa exclusive cards with the one turn ultimate nissa from kaladesh.

@KalebAsmadi

7 жыл бұрын

The rares that tutor do NOT work with any version of the planeswalker. They specifically tutor for the one named on the deck. The uncommons do appear to work for any version though, which is moderately baffling.

Been away for 5 years. Was looking for an event deck to get back into the meta easier and was tempted to pick up one of these Planeswalker decks. Glad I found this video. Might just pick up some boosters and buy singles once I figure out what I wanna build.

Thanks for your help Profesor, this video really helped me, as my Standard deck rotated and I hoped this could be an starting point to build a new one, but I figured I had to change almost all the deck either way. Maybe I'll attempt to do what I did in Khans, build a deck from my Pre-release pool and upgrade it overtime, as I'm in a budget I just can't buy all the singles at ones. I really hope one day WoTC would do for standard what is does for Commander for example: Complete playable decks with not too much value but enough to compete in your local game store... Thanks you again, you basically saved me some bucks! keep the good work

If Flame Lash becomes Standard relevant, I am terrified of how bad this Standard will be.

@XDamainI

7 жыл бұрын

What survives 4 damage at instant speed in this standard? nothing that comes out on turn 4 like rhinos used to with stoke the flames.

@Tedurbin202

7 жыл бұрын

This is one of the reasons why I gave up standard. Four mana for an instant speed 4 damage? I hate these underpowered cards that wizards prints. It's not that the card is excellent, but that all the other cards around it are even worse.

@SunniestAutumn

7 жыл бұрын

Well, at least in draft, relevant Kaladesh creatures all sit on an ass of 4 toughness, so it's not impossible...

@anderskjllesdalhansen9580

7 жыл бұрын

Tedurbin202 Have you seen Gideon? Spell Queller? Emrakul? Grim Flayer? TITI? These are good, modern playable cards man. Standard is not underpowered

@Tedurbin202

7 жыл бұрын

Anders Kjøllesdal Hansen I said I hate the obviously underpowered cards that wizards prints, and that's ONE reason why I don't play standard anymore. I never said standard was underpowered. Gideon is one of the few good cards that exists from the ass stain that was the BFZ block. It's why he's one of the only few cards that is still worth anything that doesn't have the word expedition tied to it. The new Innistrad block was a lot better than BFZ, but compare it to the old Innistrad block. Many of the cards that exist now are underpowered versions that existed back then. And before you come back at me with the "standard was busted back then" argument, keep in mind that nothing from that block was flat out banned during its entire standard rotation. My main point is, just because a handful of modern playable cards come out of a few sets, doesn't mean the sets themselves are powerful. Standard will be as powerful as wizards lets it be, whether you're playing with mostly good, powerful cards that come out of the set that aren't just good in standard but other formats as well, or you're playing with a pile of jank that will be mostly worthless garbage in a year with a small amount of exceptions. If it makes you feel better though, Kaladesh is looking pretty promising so far.

thanks professor for always keeping it 100.

@TolarianCommunityCollege

7 жыл бұрын

only way I know how

Remember that Selesnya deck they made back around Gatecrash that was really strong and fun to play with and was a good standard deck right out of the box? Sure has been a while.

A very nice and especially objective Review! But such quality Reviews we are of you accustomed. At this point many wishes from Germany! :) We have unfortunately very few Personalities like you as regards the Area of MTG... Keep it up! ;)

Just impulse-bought the Nissa deck today, first MTG cards I've ever owned. I know nothing about the game. Knowing now that it was a ripoff and the cards are bad, I honestly couldn't care less. I think they're really exciting and I'm eager to learn the game. I'll consider myself lucky to have stumbled into buying it- I probably never would have gotten into the game otherwise.

@madhatten00

6 жыл бұрын

it's not the worst planeswalker deck u could've gotten at least u didnt buy the nico bolas deck also u get like 40 viable cards (23 which are land though) all the best energy decks run like 2/3 of the nissa deck attune with aether (there's a reasonit's banned in standard now), hydra, longtusk cub, thriving turtle, servant of the conduit, aethersqual ancient, and voyager are all totally viable

@h0lyhandgrenade

5 жыл бұрын

same here, it was valuable for me too. recently bought two of the newer core planeswalker packs for my wife and i to learn the game at home. even though it is underpowered to a lot of the seasoned mtg vets here. i’ve learned a lot and had fun doing so. both of us

But Prof! There are two copies of Thriving Turtle in the Nissa deck? How could you resist?

@TolarianCommunityCollege

7 жыл бұрын

My god. He's right!

Love you man. Please keep up the good work.

Love the video professor keep up the awesome work would love too one day play a game against you and a few other favorite youtubers in the magic community :)

Is flame lash not a $2 common with 4 copies in the Chandra deck?

Worth noting the Uncommons work with ANY of the Planeswalkers with the Subtype. So you could slot them in with a not terribad walker as well.

@jonprive312

7 жыл бұрын

Nope: they name the specific unplayable card (Edit: the tutor cards are specific, the creatures are PW type. so a 4/4/ for 4 and a 4/2 for 3 if you have a chanda or nissa PW to power them up)

@ChaldeaGurus

7 жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same thing. The Elemental that comes with Nissa's deck isn't too bad with Voice of Zendikar or Vital Force

@Amphidsf

7 жыл бұрын

The rares mention the cards by name, while the uncommons only care for subtype.The wording is slight but there, it keys off of how all planeswalkers of the same person mechanically share a subtype to support the Planeswalker rule. Here is the Text for Chandra's Uncommon: "As long as you control a Chandra planeswalker, Renegade Firebrand has +1/+0 and has First Strike." The rare however says: "Liberating Combustion deals 6 damage to target creature. You may search your library and/or graveyard for a card named Chandra, Pyrogenius, reveal it, and put it into your hand. If you search your library this way, shuffle it."

@Amphidsf

7 жыл бұрын

And the Renegade curves right into 4 mana chandra as a very nice defender. 4/2 first strike will keep most things on the ground back.

@ChaldeaGurus

7 жыл бұрын

It forces removal or a trick out, so i'd say its not a bad consideration. Also, the 4/4's an element which works for Omnath, Locus of Rage .... I can dream, right?! lol =)

There are many excellent points in this video. I purchased one of each of these and thought a lot about each card. I ended up buying four of each, and one of my most effective decks is a blue-green energy deck based on Nissa, with multiple win conditions (and with only 14 lands!). The most common resolution so far has been getting an Aethersquall Ancient out around turn 6 or 7 with high energy production each turn, creating a board wipe with 6 flying damage until game over.

Thanks for the advice professor. I bought 7 booster packs instead, and managed to win 1 or 2 games at my first ever FNM . Really appreciate the work you put into your channel, and hope you keep making new videos.

I actually really like the Nissa deck, and I know that I'll be upgrading it to hit much harder.

@do0m819

7 жыл бұрын

Me to, it's a great jumping off point and I can think of a bunch of things to make it at least playable.

@rubilina1357

7 жыл бұрын

MTG Maelstrom Even then, I'll most likely take out the cards I want to use (like the Servants) and maybe make an energy deck. Maybe I could try to run Temur, with Prophetic Prism and Aether Hub existing as fixing.

@CPD0123a

7 жыл бұрын

I also sort of like it a little bit. I pulled a good Nissa at Pre-Release, and if I can get more of the decent energy-based green and blue cards, in theory, I could make a half-decent deck out of it. Also, unpopular opinion here, but I actually want these plainswalkers, but not for 60-card or competitive play, I want them for Commander. I have a Leovold deck that wants the under-powered Nissa as well as the nice foil Ob Nix from the dual deck, and a budget Narset deck that could probably make some use out of Chandra, if I didn't put her in my Aurelia the Warleader deck. (Although, admittedly, Nissa is better, and I can make more use of her)

@rubilina1357

7 жыл бұрын

That's what I thought too. I could use Nissa in quite a few decks. Not only can the life gain keep you in the game, but you also get pseudo-card advantage and a strictly better Overrun in the right deck.

@CPD0123a

7 жыл бұрын

Rυвιℓιηα-αηηα Røsαηε Exactly. Plus, I have heard word that doubling season wants Chandra for modern because they can immediately get a 6-damage wipe out with her. These aren't very good in most decks, but boy oh boy if you find a right use for them. If I can, I think I'll try to find a few copies of each to keep on hand just in case they go up. (if they stay cheap)

We lost event decks and clash packs for these just as they were getting great with Origins and BFZ

wow, that part at the end was amazing. I love mtg and I finally went to my first prerelease last weekend, but I haven't been to FNM and I don't think I'll be able to just yet, because of the cost. hopefully wizards will listen to you sometime, someday prof

That is a fantastic half-windsor knot you've tied there, good sir.

So, when I started playing about two years ago, I bought an intro deck, because they were $10 at my LGS for a little bit. I learned how to play with this intro deck, and went to the LGS again, sat down to play a couple games with random people there. Got creamed game in and game out. I didn't understand what was happening, I thought my deck was so good. Then some people showed me some cards, which were in standard, that I had no clue about. It was as if they were play a completely different game. I felt like I wasted my money (which I certainly did) and I almost quit right there. Luckily, I persevered and turned my shitty intro deck into a standard deck that had rotated out the previous year. It was cheap, and super fun for casual play! I feel like they should do this, print semi-standard legal, but totally playable casual decks, with the inclusion of some relevant cards for either standard, or better yet, modern.

@FusterIsBased

7 жыл бұрын

Check out the battle decks that Card Kingdom makes; the professor gave them really good reviews!

@ThatRonaldSmithGuy

7 жыл бұрын

You basically only paid $2 for the intro deck, because the boosters ate up $8 of that on their own. It wasn't a waste of money.

@SpectrumHazard

7 жыл бұрын

That Ronald Smith Guy Buying booster packs not for limited is usually a waste of money...

I actually miss the event decks. Sure, they weren't the best and hardly ever had the 4 of that decks need, bit they were also very often close to being great. Just the fix of 4 ofs would genuinely make them better.

@Kamikaz3Badger

7 жыл бұрын

When the original Innistrad came out I bought the Hold the Line event deck and it was actually pretty good and fairly consistent with most of the creatures working towards the same strategy. All you had to do was add 1-2 more copies of some of them and bam it was viable. It's really sad WOTC just doesn't seem to want to do that at all now for Magic :/

@XDamainI

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah event decks just had a bad wrap. The decks stood up pretty good in FNM environments. I used to play event decks right out of the box since khans and at worst I did 1-3 at best I did 3-1 so they were fair decks for their price.

@TheTexasDice

7 жыл бұрын

Event decks were great. The Zombie one, the Humans one, both the Thragtusk ones, the Aristocrats and especially the one from Dragon's Maze (GW tokens, that Event deck was almost tier 2 right out of the box) But then, Wizard's started to only make one event deck per release and remove the ones that were good. All the theros event decks were total shit and the Tarkir ones didn't help either.

@mrtalos

7 жыл бұрын

Played the gatecrash deck. lots of tokens, very good Base for a deck

@guftders

7 жыл бұрын

+TexasDice I believe that most of the Theros Event decks were actually decent. The first one was basically WU Heroic, and even had Hallowed Fountain in it. Then Born of the Gods was basically Mono Black Control, with much needed cards like Heros Downfall etc in it. After that, apart from the GB one from BfZ, most of them just... failed :L

Ohh ohh... Bitterblossom picture behind you. I started playing casual with friends on fridays and was searching through my old box of cards and came across one of thoses.

Very nice review, as usual :)

Day-um! How do you really feel, Prof? But seriously, let me say, from a fan of the game, and of yours, that this sort of video is incredibly important to see. When an independent reviewer/podcaster is pulled out of the crowd form any corporation to becoming a "Community Rep" - you have to imagine there is a concern that one may loose the ability to talk about the game/product without bias. You prove here (and time and time again) that you clearly write and review with integrity. Keep up the great work.

@TolarianCommunityCollege

7 жыл бұрын

+Colin Chapman Thank you.

A couple years ago I was hanging out with my friends. We wanted to play some magic in a pub, but it had been a few years since any of us had played. So we went to a bookshop, picked up two Planeswalker decks (including that Chandra one, incidentally). Did we: a) sit in a the pub and carefully check the price of everysingle card in the box, down to the last cent. or b) crack open the boxes and enjoy playing magic?

Thanks for the critical Review. I was thinking about buying one of those decks for a friend I want to convince of starting, but you made me decide otherwise. He will probably have more fun with a Fat Pack or a Deck Builders Box.

man i'm really glad i found this channel. I've played MTG on and off mostly on MTGO. I always seem to lose and I've wasted money on these intro packs cuz the cover cards look dope(dumb assness on my part). Then I checked here to see if a planeswalker deck would be worth it, clearly not. I'm just gonna build my own off of boost packs, thanks man. Subscribed!

Great analysis. Was going to pick one up, not anymore.

would you suggest one of these "Planeswalker decks" to someone who hasn't played for 2 years and just wants a deck to play with while i get the hang of things again

@madhatten00

6 жыл бұрын

yes if by getting the hang of things means u will upgrade it you get one of the best prebuilt energy engines alrdy in the nissa deck

Professor your thoughts on the new FRONTIER format suggested by Hareruya? Basically Everything from M15 onwards

I love the way you bring positive suggestions to future development for Wizards releases. I am a gaming dad who takes his grade school son to the gaming store. In fact, as my son is an advanced reader for his age, So I can even play Two-Headed Giant with him during pre-releases. And what happens... he sees the Planeswalker Kaladesh decks and I get hosed buying a couple of overpriced flash decks. Now, I can sit him down in front of your review and show him why we want to do research before we buy. - Hurray! You have provided relevant content that can be used by gamer parents to show important life lessons to children. In this awesome video, you have helped gamer parents and provided excellent development insight for Wizards of the Coast. You truly are The Professor.

I actually like the new Planeswalker deck I got, I use it as more of a skeleton for something more. I made a pretty decent spawn burner that while is still in beta, runs pretty well. But yes, by itself it isn't that good. I understand where you come from, but if you see them as what I call 'skeleton' decks, they aren't that bad compared to intro decks.

@OnlyZunkin

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah these are much better than the old intro decks but way short of the Event Decks.

@thatdudeinthehoodie

7 жыл бұрын

Melting Sky I agree with you there.

WotC marketing: Hey, no one likes intro decks! Should we make them better? No! Let's just make planeswalkers worse! People love objectively and intentionally bad planeswalkers, right?

@TolarianCommunityCollege

7 жыл бұрын

Sigh.

@WolfgangF88

7 жыл бұрын

Tibalt needs some love.

My first ever deck in standard was a slightly upgraded "Battle For Zendikar" Event deck, and it served it purpose just fine. I went to my first Standard FNM, won a round or two, continued to improve and upgrade it and finally came in second place at "SOI Game Day". Isn't that what the event decks were supposedly for? TO give new players a starting point and a few bits of useful value to help guide their deck building?

Professor did you consider the playablility of the planeswalker specific creatures with the versions of the planeswalkers in the Kaledesh set?

Am I the only one who has found great use with the chandra in the planes walker deck

@Mecha82

7 жыл бұрын

No you are not. I like her and Nissa in EDH.

@Crystalwizardtrue

7 жыл бұрын

what the tech your doing with her? thinking of doing a red deck with her

I wonder how in the world could this be a good idea. I mean, you try to get a new player into magic, he purchases this, then comes to play with you or an FNM or whatever, he gets crushed everytime because this intro material is as bad as it can be. Then he learns that the devs made them this bad on purpose for newcomers. Goodbye newcomer!

@TolarianCommunityCollege

7 жыл бұрын

exactly.

@SilentZombie

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I mean I thought that's what the Intro packs prior to the 2 new decks were meant to be, Introductions into the game itself. They weren't meant to be full on netdecks, or rogue builds, if they were they would have been more expensive than just $15. So no offense TCC...sorry I'm not typing out the entire thing and I don't know your name...but not everything can be the typical complete netdecks and rogue builds you seem to think they need to be. Even the "Free Decks" you mention almost every other video aren't that great to learn from and most LGS's don't carry them. Now these new decks are meant for new players as it is, not for established players like yourself or any other Meta Dork and Elitist that do nothing but complain about most of the new products that pop up.

great video professor!

I bought a tezzeret master of metal deck from aether revolt and i like it quite much, because it is so centered on artifacts that when you eventually get tezzeret out you can defend him quite good. his +1 abillity gets you some more artifacts and at the point that i play tezzeret i can basically play said artifact immediatly because im already swimming in mana and many cards have improvise so you don't even need the mana. If you can get him to 9 and for me that is pretty fast, you can basically nuke the other persons bord and get those creatures at your side that you can attack and win the game.

I disagree with the review of these decks. I grabbed the Nissa one @ Prerelease just to check it out. Personally, I was very impressed with the improvement compared to the Intro packs. The fact that you wanna complain that Wizards was upfront about this specific product being inferior compared to the product received in packs, is kinda petty. They basically said that these decks target the same audience that the intro decks do. When speaking of value, your numbers are off too. You didn't take into account that for the fact that your getting 2x Booster packs on top of the exclusive cards and to purposely try to omit or downgrade the fact that the exclusive cards are included is misleading to that target audience. Overall, the decks are a great value (with great trade value) for any new player looking to get into the game on the ground floor. Lastly, I'd like to respond to your complaint that Wizards should make a competitive deck that can be FNM ready upon opening. This goes against the idea of the creativity of deck building and would essentially be a slap to the face of the existing user base that has put the hard work and dedication into making their own deck within a competitive environment. Let me also mention that if wizards did offer a competitive pre constructed deck, it would likely cost far more that a $15 price point with likely no pack included. So, as I understand this concern, it doesn't take into account the financial repercussions that doing something like that would entail.

@NameEntry

7 жыл бұрын

He didn't say a deck for FNM, he said a deck that was playable. He specifically says these decks are very inconsistent and feature jank.

@NameEntry

7 жыл бұрын

Also, Wizards/Hasbro has so much fucking money that what he asks would cost nothing. Printing onto cardboard costs very little and it's people like you who cause companies like this to turn trash.

@madhatten00

6 жыл бұрын

i think its more the price... 15 dollars for a deck thats really only worth 6 or 7 online through tcgplayer or something depends on how broke you are though and how easy it is for you to get cards but tbh, if u look online at the best energy decks, they run like 2/3 of the cards in the nissa deck you're really getting ur money's worth with all those attune for aethers, longtusk cub and thriving turtle; assuming u dont buy singles online

Bring back event decks. :)

Can u do a review of the 2019 core set planeswalker decks? I'm thinking of buying one

are these the only two decks? or will there be more versions of the Plains walkers decks?

Why didn't you open the boosters?

@charleslaleff7708

7 жыл бұрын

this deck is an amazing idea. it's not worth 14-15 dollars. make it 5 dollars and it's perfect.

@LudwigMascarenhas

7 жыл бұрын

charles laleff ok?

@MsNosis

7 жыл бұрын

probably because what is inside those boosters means nothing for the product. Whether his specific boosters were complete duds or filled with foil inventions, it means nothing when evaluating the contents of the product for the rest of us. That being said, I also agree with Charles. If the product costed like 5 euro or something, it would so be worth it for new players to get some cards and play with.

@TheAverageGuyTAG

7 жыл бұрын

I think he just means opening the packs just for the sake of seeing what's inside. I wanna know if the Prof opened a Masterpiece by coincidence. :P

@FusterIsBased

7 жыл бұрын

The packs don't matter in this evaluation because the contents are random. Someone might open a masterpiece and someone else might just open straight bulk. The odds of you opening something that's meaningful to the deck is pretty low. Your analogy is flawed because you know what else is inside your constructed deck that plays Etherium Sculptor and Metalworker. You don't know what's inside the 2 boosters you get with your planeswalker deck. Including the boosters in the evaluation is like the professor giving these decks an A just because he opened one of the swords in his packs. It's an evaluation that isn't going to reflect your experience with the deck because most people who buy this aren't going to open a masterpiece.

So how good are the planewalker decks? Turns out they're preeeetty bad

@TheAverageGuyTAG

7 жыл бұрын

Hey guys how's it going Ripparrian Tiger here. Today I wanna talk about Kaladesh Planeswalker Decks!

I agree wholeheartedly about the decks, and honestly it's killing me to see such a great concept as Planeswalkers be given the intro pack treatment. However, I actually think that Renegade Firebrand has a chance of seeing some play. Chandra, ToD is likely going to be played in a huge variety of decks, and while I'd never consider playing Pyrogenius anywhere, that card curves from the Renegade and means you can hit for a pretty sizable 6 on turn 4, discounting all.your other R/W aggressive creatures.

Was that Kerbal Space Program music playing while the MaRo quote was on screen?

Damn and I wanted to buy both to get into Magic....

@Colinmchapman

7 жыл бұрын

But there are so many other great reasons/ways to get into Magic -- just not these.

@gardenoir6176

7 жыл бұрын

if you're serious (which I doubt if you're on the channel) spend and extra 5 bucks and get battle decks

@NeoByteNL

7 жыл бұрын

I actually was serious, I played MTG when it was in 4th edition, but after that never looked at it. Since I saw the Kaladesh cards I thought well lets get into it again and buy two decks for me and my wife. I have no idea how all the rules work these days, so I subbed to a few MTG channels and watched the video's. But hey thanks for the tip, think I'll just go for a bundle or two and work from there.

@docterfantazmo

7 жыл бұрын

I'd recommend restarting with Commander (EDH), it's a 100 card format but the pre-builts are really good and it tends to be slightly more casual. After that, play a few Drafts and you'll have the makings of a Standard deck within a month or two.

@NeoByteNL

7 жыл бұрын

Ahhhhh, well fuck it i'm just gonna buy 'em. Worthless or not :)

I wish I was not saying this but 35 pounds for force of will introduction deck and not only do they have a play set of each card and all card are only in the deck and 1/2 of them foil they can win a lgs event and was th know 3 bouster I'm think they are better and even other internation deck in other game are 20 to 35 and are what new players need so why is it that wizard can't see that then need to one put more effort into the introduction deck and make them good I feel bad for new players because when I start I found it hard and when i asked a new player a year ago they said they played for one mouth and just wanted to play a card game that was friendly to new playes

@ImmaPokeYourEyeOut

7 жыл бұрын

If you can win a tournament at your LGS with a precon deck, why would you make your own?

@WhoniverseReview

7 жыл бұрын

The problem is that with a Force of Will deck, you're doomed to playing Force of Will.

@ImmaPokeYourEyeOut

7 жыл бұрын

fair, haha

@Stroggoii

7 жыл бұрын

Because WotC doesn't want you to win, they want you to consume. If you want to win then someone will have to open aprox 110 boosters for each Liliana, Chandra or Gideon you will need in your actual good deck that doesn't look anything at all like these noob fool traps.

@codeofzero1

7 жыл бұрын

this are more then traps they are a fall trying to make a bad idea worse

By far the best deck/s I bought, was the "Chandra vs. Jace" package. They play so well against each other and have pretty good cards for deck building. I bought 2 for 14.99$ each. I regret nothing!

Will the deck boxes that come with them fit sleeved cards? I know that was a pet peeve of yours.

I don't get Wizards line of logic at all. Bad cards are designed for new players? That's like saying veteran players can use ancestral recall while I'm stuck playing jace's ingenuity. That isn't skill that is clearly one card being better than another.

@Ninjahankin

7 жыл бұрын

Ok here's a better example. Would you put Lighting bolt or Lightning Strike in a modern deck? And can you explain the pros and cons of each one?

@CrapesVHS

7 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure strike isn't in standard either. It was a worthless attempt to make bolt more fair.

@FusterIsBased

7 жыл бұрын

JakesFavorites nigga nobody asked about standard. He asked about Modern because standard is a shitty format.

@Pleyarrz

7 жыл бұрын

lol cant wait for someone to actually take the challenge and win a standard tournament using the nissa from the planeswalker deck.

I'm extremely appalled by this review. Especially with the mention of buying the battle deck instead of this. Here are some things you missed: - people actually like planeswalker and that will get people through the door to try magic. Yes, they will get destroyed by other standard players. But your battle deck would be as well. If not "sorry your deck is not legal, you cannot play". So in this respect battle decks are worse - this is an intro product, you cannot have 4 copies of every card, that's what the booster is for, you play a few games, and realize what card is good, what card is bad. Open the booster and replace the bad cards with 3rd and 4th copies of the good cards. This is not a con, it's a pro. - this deck has much more value than MSRP as of the filming of the video, the value alone should give it a C or B, think of duel decks with good value. Completely trumping battle decks. - the planeswalkers are bad for standard and modern and legacy, yes. But commander and cube players would love them. They are foil and only obtainable in this set for good value. I can see casual players buy this product for the planeswalkers and packs. And donate the rest of the cards. - this product has so much more value than battle packs yet the rating is so abysmal. I feel the sponsorship made this review biased due to the monetary gain from the referral code. TLDR: Every magic player is going to buy packs. Would you pay 9.99 for draft chaff (battle deck) or ($14-$8=$6) for draft chaff plus a foil planeswalker? Both decks will get creamed in standard. Both decks decks are underpowered. Both decks can be improved by boosters(though some battle decks may not be improvable by standard boosters, aka enchantments). Both decks will have card synergies. Planeswalker decks has unique cards not found elsewhere. Planeswalker deck fails. Battle deck gets B+. Bias much? I don't mean to shoot down potential buyers for battle deck from the Prof, but there is no value in that product. I don't think planeswalker decks are amazing but it's better than battle decks. I really wish the prof did not endorse that product. My second thumb down video from all of TCC videos. Sad day.

@SandraudigaVali

7 жыл бұрын

don't mind me just waiting to see if some angry people will attack you

@Starfury117

7 жыл бұрын

I always welcome people to offer a differing opinion. But before anyone does, I wish they analyze the pros and cons of the battle pack and planeswalker decks before coming up to me. And tell me why they think this is worth a fail while battle packs are B+.

@shionkreth7536

7 жыл бұрын

The professor's review of the battle decks is consistent with his past opinions, though, and so is this. Your argument, for lack of a better word, is all over the place. Focus on a relevant point you want to make then back it up with a logical argument; you cannot just proclaim something to be an advantage when it isn't. Your arguments: -new players like planeswalkers and will get them playing(HOW do they even know what a plansewalker is? they're brand new players - no face validity, invalid argument). -having an incomplete deck is good because you can complete it with the 2 booster packs(unlikely, weak argument - you can replace cards with a good, consistent deck just the same). -this deck has more value financially, though the cards of value are unfit for use for any serious players and the prices will drop off in short order as per past trends(weak argument). -the cards are good for other formats(invalid argument, that's not who this product is designed for). -comparing value of this product to a separate product for a separate market(invalid argument). The battle decks serve a purpose some people are interested in, these decks do not, for the reasons the Professor already laid out; which you have dismissed based on some rhetoric and the notion they must be rooted in a bias from the professor based on sponsorship. If you want to debate the professor's grades you watch the videos again, pick out the professor's supporting arguments, then explain why they don't have merit - THEN people can debate with you.

@Starfury117

7 жыл бұрын

The argument is all over the place because both the planeswalker decks and the battle decks are an inferior product with problems everywhere. Arguments: - New players want to have cool things, why do you think planeswalker are so popular? Planeswalkers are cool, people dig them, thats an appeal. Battle deck has nothing special. It has only junk which cardkingdom can't sell, hence they built a deck with them and try to sell them to people. Smart on their end, but as a consumer, this is a terrible purchase. Planeswalker decks come with a learn to play mtg guide. Does battle deck come with one? Prof didn't mention it, so I doubt it. So you first point is already counter-intuitive. You don't buy a product if it doesn't teach you how to play. Yes, planeswalkers might be confusing to play, but atleast the product comes with a guide on how to play. - The decks are incomplete and require 2 boosters to upgrade. Yes that is true. But a weak deck or not, it offers a starting place for some new players to start out. You can't take either the planeswalker decks or a battle deck to friday night magic. You will either get tromped or be told your deck is illegal. Neither decks are competitive right out of the box. However, unlike battle decks, planeswalker decks are much easier to improve. They simply need to replace the "bad" cards with the 3rd and 4th copy of "good" cards. This is definitely a pro versus battle decks. New players will have trouble determining power levels of new cards, being able to follow an outline set up by wizards will help new players ease into the game. Battle decks just give you a deck, no instructions, and no guidance for improvement (everything is already a 4 of). Now that is an unfriendly product to new players. - Financial value. Wow you didn't even both to elaborate on this point... Its true, you cannot argue that the financial value is there because money talks. While the value will go down over time as people buy them and sell those cards. It should be mentioned that the planeswalker in the deck is EXCLUSIVE to the product. Therefore this product will ALWAYS have value. Unlike battle decks where there is absolute NO value. Long story short, planeswalker decks have unique cards not found elsewhere while battle decks can be built from any collection and not worth money. - Other formats. I disagree. Have you heard of the archetype superfriends? he truth is, over many years, planeswalker has been very popular (hence the inclusion of this product). There are decks built just with planeswalkers instead of creatures. Casual players adore planeswalkers. While these planeswalker won't see standard play, it will definitely make their way into kitchen table magic decks and cube and edh decks everywhere. This product definitely has an audience. Again, unlike battle decks which will make NO ONE excited. Its just draft chaff. Atleast battle decks can still be played by kitchen table magic players. - Comparing value to a separate product for a separate market? Sorry this made no sense to me. I will try to interpret that as "Planeswalker decks' audience is different for battle deck and hence saying planeswalker decks are more financially valuable than battle deck is an invalid argument". Who are battle decks for? - Casual kitchen table players (formatless) - Not interested in competitive format - Sit down with preconstructed deck - Cheap (9.99) Who are planeswalker decks for? - Casual kitchen table players (formatless) - Not interested in competitive format - Sit down with preconstructed deck - Cheap (14 - 8 = $6), just sell the boosters for $3-4 a piece if you really don't want them - EDH, Cube players - Possibly people who want to buy, sell parts for money (if you are early enough, cause prices will fall, all preorder prices are too high) - Collectors (for exclusive foil planeswalker) So tell me where is the different of market? Neither products will get you anywhere else in magic except a starting point. Both decks cost similar if you remove the booster packs. But one deck has a cool foil planeswalker card which looks nothing like the others and greatly adored by the general audience. You decide. Wow. for a person who said I lacked support for my argument, it seems someone didn't even bothered to do any research before posting... Even after I wrote the comment saying TO DO RESEARCH before posting... Internet is full of people I guess. Feel free to comment back. From a scientific logical standpoint, I still consider battle decks to be a complete scam and detest the notion that someone as fair as the prof is endorsing it. I know money speaks.. but damn... I am not the only one who says this. Maybe the most vocal one. YOU should take a look at some comments in the battle deck video. Then come back. Please, don't waste my time. Hope this has been an informative session. Cheers.

@shionkreth7536

7 жыл бұрын

Starfury117 Internet is full of people indeed, belligerent and superior ones who don't take advice. Rather than streamlining your argument you just wrote a bunch more to try and validate your original, unfocused argument; 122 lines it says, and you're talking about people wasting your time. I just offered you some advice if you had a point to make and wanted to get it across in a cohesive way; I'm not at all interested in debating with you and believe your mind is already set regardless of any points anyone, including the professor, makes.

Prof, when I heard your last question towards the video, I suddenly remembered Event Decks and how WotC should have focused more on providing better precon decks with which players can upgrade with minimal changes. Kind of like the BNG event deck that when upgraded, is a viable deck, as Mono-Black Aggro then was a thing. I wish they would review it and revive Event Decks.

Man Prof, rocking that double windsor like a baouss

In your final thought there, didn't you basically describe Event Decks? Standard-playing, ready to go off the shelf decks? I seem to recall those getting killed due to lack of sales.

You should do a video on the recent Tezzeret and Ajani decks, I tried them, and they were pretty good.

Hello! Are you planning on reviewing the new Planeswalker decks from M19? Greetings from Mexico :)

Your suggestion for Wizards reminds me of the New Phyrexia Event Deck, back in the day. I always thought that was a really good deck.

So what would you recommend for a returning player who understands all the nuances of mtg, has deck building experience (even if not amazing e.g. My game store only has standard and I rarely won, but most of my cards came from a deck builders tool kit/ fat pack) but doesn't want to spend a ton. I have looked into draft, sealed constructed (preferably pre-release), and tournaments (I think that's what they were, its the format where you get X many packs the first week and get 1 more each additional week), but I'm wondering if there is another way because the closest card shop that offers any of those events is at least 30 min. Away, I can't drive and I'm sure whoever would drive me there wouldn't be stoked about shuttling someone else at midnight. Anything helps, thanks for reading, I know it was long.

can you explain what the different formats are? and be different play styles like 2vs2?

I own both and they are way better than the other starter decks so it's a step up, they play well against each other and I will be trying the stock Nissa one as well as my own variations of it at FNM and see how it goes

How do you feel about the recent Teferi Timebender deck? I only ask because I feel Teferi Timebender is a pretty good walker.

A point to note is that the planeswalker exclusive cards work with any other planeswalkers with the same sub-type. Working with Torch of defiance and Vital Force could push these cards up a bit seeing how some are designed to tutor walkers out.

Can this deck still be played on FNM? Im sort of new to this game and I am told Draft is the most efficient way to get into this game, but how do I start Standard

Is there anywhere I can buy player-built decks? I was going to build my own but as a new player I have no idea if it's good or not. I'm thinking of a summoning creatures/boosting creatures red and white sort of deck as that seems to be how I play best when playing against the 2013 Magic game, but I don't want to shell out money if it's not a good deck.

Hi professor, Guess they listened to you, what with the new Challenger decks coming out in April. They will be exactly as you said, playable for FNM right out of the box, I'm really excited about it

I am a big believer in consistency, but I believe that consistency is a concept that must be learned. The variety is a feature, not a bug. It introduces players to a variety of cards. Not arguing, just a different POV.

remember the pestilence deck precon from urzas, i played that deck for years !! And the comeback deck from planeshift zomg and the chromat deck from apocalypse or the crush of worms deck with brawn.... i wish wotc would make magic great again

I purchased both Decks & was glad to see how they played. (Much better matched than the Nissa vs Ob Nixilis.) I have 13 standard legal decks I keep updated from cards I collect from FNM & was excited to see how these pre-constructed decks held up. Also, as a MTG card collector, I'm excited to have at least 1 copy of any card to add to my ever growing collection.

I did buy 2 of each for commander. they may not be the best nut I can see where I might have 1 in a side board. especially with chandera b/c of her damage. if you are going against a stall deck she can be used to help clear the board.

Your videos are great, thank you for making them. -A casual MTG player.

I believe they used to have exactly what he's talking about at the end of the video. The last ones I saw were in Timespiral block, and the first ones were in Tempest. It would not be a big deal to bring those back.

I'm a new player and I've been buying these plainswalkers but as I have been progressing I've noticed that they're really not that great and I thought it was because I wasn't that great of a player but now this video has cleared up some things. Thanks Professor!

a lot of people forget these are not made for tournament play but are more suited towards a players first box or Kitchen Table play.

Hey! Who's the artist that made Chandra's box art? Can anyone help please?

Thanks from Brazil, you are awesome.

Would you still call planeswalker decks an improvement from intro packs in General?

I need help on making a good modern creatureless deck you think you can give me any suggestions thank you