Is It Worth It To Buy A Pioneer Challenger Deck? A Magic: The Gathering Product Review

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  • @ThePauliwrath
    @ThePauliwrath2 жыл бұрын

    Here is your reminder that they put a shockland in each Eldraine Brawl deck, and they were $20. I remember Gavin Verhey saying something about double sided cards being logistically difficult to put in pre-cons, so that takes out pathways, so at the very LEAST they should have a couple kaladesh fastlands or 4x checklands

  • @animesfreakify

    @animesfreakify

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can understand the lack of shocklands since they were just released in secret lairs

  • @eightbitblitz5868

    @eightbitblitz5868

    2 жыл бұрын

    They had some fast lands in the auras deck. But yeah, they need much better manabases.

  • @StephaunBaker

    @StephaunBaker

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@animesfreakify I honestly can't refer to a secret lair as a "worthy" reprint. I wouldn't count them.

  • @Jakerunio

    @Jakerunio

    2 жыл бұрын

    Idk why not print marker cards for the precons with the pathways marked on already. Seems kinda easy if they just put in the effort. Marker cards don’t even require new art, just formatting. I get that MDFCs made the Innistrad-style marker cards not work very well because of complexity (oh hey it’s almost like they were kind of a mistake) but pathways in particular are so simple that I don’t really see why they can’t make placeholder cards for the precons. Just include them with the tokens.

  • @JohnDoe-vc5qb

    @JohnDoe-vc5qb

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Jakerunio what’s a marker card?

  • @RadicalTzar
    @RadicalTzar2 жыл бұрын

    You know, our community is very fortunate that Prof puts in the work to review these products. I rely on these reviews to make decisions on whether to buy a product. Thank you Professor, for putting in the work and being such a positive force in the community.

  • @calebross8174

    @calebross8174

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I’m happy he’s gonna be in Vegas for the channel fireball event. My son is excited to meet him.

  • @tee918

    @tee918

    2 жыл бұрын

    I never buy a mtv product without watching the professors review first

  • @colinhanrath5351

    @colinhanrath5351

    2 жыл бұрын

    Prof da man

  • @nickipurnell2496

    @nickipurnell2496

    2 жыл бұрын

    I could not agree more! Thank you, Prof! 💕 We’d be lost without you.

  • @supervortex2222

    @supervortex2222

    2 жыл бұрын

    100%

  • @scottmacadams9129
    @scottmacadams91292 жыл бұрын

    He's the professor and he's here to say mana base is important to how a deck will play playing a tapped land never is fun and often the reason your opponents have won

  • @kennethstarkey4360

    @kennethstarkey4360

    2 жыл бұрын

    Go mana go mana go.

  • @FozzyFUCT

    @FozzyFUCT

    2 жыл бұрын

    A+ comment

  • @plastikk12

    @plastikk12

    2 жыл бұрын

    Word to your mother.

  • @KeiruKeiru
    @KeiruKeiru2 жыл бұрын

    Remember when the Brawl decks had a shock land in them? That was neat.

  • @Malverde888

    @Malverde888

    2 жыл бұрын

    Even Smothering Tithe

  • @Starsoulklr

    @Starsoulklr

    2 жыл бұрын

    That tells you how badly they really wanted to push Brawl.

  • @TypingHazard

    @TypingHazard

    2 жыл бұрын

    Remember when shocklands were only 5 bucks, that was neat

  • @yonahgreene

    @yonahgreene

    2 жыл бұрын

    Remember when magic was still fun? Cause I do. I'm quitting this game soon it's such bs

  • @elipetrou9308

    @elipetrou9308

    2 жыл бұрын

    And tithe, those were good value

  • @tomcove
    @tomcove2 жыл бұрын

    As someone who plays a lot of Pokémon as well, it's astounding to me that Wizards still won't put codes for matching products in at least decks like these, if not in every booster pack. I would totally get this if it meant I could play the same deck in MTGO, it'd be a great starting point, especially since like a lot of other people, no place around me is doing Pioneer events in person, and only doing Modern, which I just don't feel like investing in more than one deck because everything is so gosh dang expensive. Ah well, maybe next time.

  • @obadijahparks

    @obadijahparks

    2 жыл бұрын

    It would be arena, and agreed.

  • @tomcove

    @tomcove

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@obadijahparks It would have to be MTGO, because Arena doesn’t support Pioneer. And somehow seeing how little they’ve updated it other than adding new sets and new cosmetics, I don’t see them going back and adding older sets to support less-popular formats. I’d take MTGO just to be able to actually play with the same deck.

  • @nyxknight7555

    @nyxknight7555

    2 жыл бұрын

    At least you get modern mine stopped modern for pioneer... so happyyyyyy 😒

  • @jakeplachta7041

    @jakeplachta7041

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@obadijahparks MTGO is literally "Magic the Gathering Online." MTG Arena is just a money grab video game.

  • @joyboyblues5808

    @joyboyblues5808

    2 жыл бұрын

    Chaotic was doing that since day 1. RIP

  • @Madlittlepixel
    @Madlittlepixel2 жыл бұрын

    Arena Codes dammit! Why doesn't WoTC see the value in giving a digital version with releases like this? You get the physical sale then the potential of future digital sales..... makes too much sense to me... come on...

  • @ruffneck168

    @ruffneck168

    2 жыл бұрын

    i dont get it either - whenever you look at pokemon boosters they get codes. why the fuck does magic not get them?

  • @JoelBurger

    @JoelBurger

    2 жыл бұрын

    Because that's long term value and player retention, and all corporations like Hasbro care about are profit margins and short term gains (as can also be seen by them flooding the market with product to ensure there is always an increase in annual revenue). They couldn't wrap their heads around giving something away.

  • @archma9e_879

    @archma9e_879

    2 жыл бұрын

    Maybe because there is no Pioneer in Arena?

  • @SomniaCE

    @SomniaCE

    2 жыл бұрын

    I genuinely don't play Arena nor do I buy physical product because I don't want to deal with 2 different card economies that don't interact with each other at all when I want to play both clients. I would buy sealed product and actually play Arena if I could just get rewarded for buying sealed

  • @abhijitsingh3744

    @abhijitsingh3744

    2 жыл бұрын

    There are several cards in these Pioneer decks which are not available on Arena. Pioneer is also not currently supported on Arena. But yes, it would be nice if the Standard challenger decks came with Arena codes. Currently only starter/planeswalker decks come with Arena codes for the deck and Pre-Release Bundles come with a code for 6 packs.

  • @Gshadewolf14
    @Gshadewolf142 жыл бұрын

    WotC making Brawl decks: “you can have a shockland, foil legendary, brand new mana rock, and a Smothering Tithe. How’s $20 sound?” WotC making Pioneer decks: best I can do is taplands and strange card choices

  • @jamesgratz4771

    @jamesgratz4771

    2 жыл бұрын

    I don’t think smothering tithe was as pricey back then but you’re still right lol.

  • @johnmoussiaux7669

    @johnmoussiaux7669

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jamesgratz4771 it was $20 when the brawl decks came out, it was $15 when the guild kits came out

  • @jamesgratz4771

    @jamesgratz4771

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@johnmoussiaux7669 well because it’s so good in cOmMaNdEr

  • @sampanther7620

    @sampanther7620

    Жыл бұрын

    WotC with commander precons: 1 tap land take it or leave it

  • @pjjp7899
    @pjjp78992 жыл бұрын

    An important thing to remember about pioneer… It’s the only eternal format that isn’t having cards specifically designed for it. The format is actually pretty good right now, and is at a very appropriate power level. Helps not having a soft rotation.

  • @elipetrou9308

    @elipetrou9308

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oh nice, commander legends was great personally, even lotus isn’t that busted, and a nice piece for mono and 2 colour. After the HB ban I’d say it was pretty good overall. It diiiid change things a decent amount though, and MH and MH2 were crazy good. That’s actually a nice point in its favour

  • @raonair

    @raonair

    2 жыл бұрын

    Shhhhh. Keep it down. WotC might hear and ruin the format.

  • @sebb4269

    @sebb4269

    2 жыл бұрын

    pioneer isnt eternal.....

  • @raonair

    @raonair

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sebb4269 eternal has become synonym to non-rotating. Just accept it.

  • @tineye5100

    @tineye5100

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yet. Give them time.

  • @Pa4idan
    @Pa4idan2 жыл бұрын

    Good evening, Proffesor. Just came back from local mini tounament (I am from Ukraine). We had a Pioneer showdow there so the topic of this deck occured and our local players have simmilar thoughts on those decks as do you. I am playing somewhat unusual deck of RUG adventures (Eldrain still hunting me )) ) with twicks of my own and the results I am getting from it are decent. Personaly I like Lotus field combo deck and even consider purchasing it for the next game we will have (with, of course, making small upgrades to it). Here at Lutsk we have playgroup of 4 for Commander gameplay and decent arrange from mid to high power deck that we enjoy playing and playing against. We all enjoy your content, though are not much of a "comment under each video" types so thank you for all the thing you are doing for Magic community and all the video content you make.

  • @MTGUnpacked
    @MTGUnpacked2 жыл бұрын

    My LGS jumped onto Pioneer soon after it was announced, since the appetite for Standard wasn't great at the time. The pandemic put a dent in events, but they're back with weekly Pioneer events since this summer. These decks seem like a great way to get into the format, but surely they could've thrown in some shocklands for the price! Paid $45 apiece (before tax), since distributors are apparently marking these way up.

  • @wm.danielrosenmund9964
    @wm.danielrosenmund99642 жыл бұрын

    Please continue to do Pioneer content. It's such a fun an accessible format, and it really is a shame that it isn't seeing much, if any, support.

  • @robaphone251
    @robaphone2512 жыл бұрын

    I was late to draft night this Friday at my LGS, and saw these decks. They were being sold for $40 and included entry to that nights pioneer tournament. Was a small and casual event, I didn't win a single match, but I still had an absolute blast with the Lotus Field deck (I'm terrible at combo and had never heard of, or seen, this combo deck played before attempting myself so please forgive terrible record). I'm definitely gonna make a few upgrades and continue with it at some pioneer events when they come up

  • @kraxosOBK
    @kraxosOBK2 жыл бұрын

    Aside from WotC continuing their "flawless" record of decision making, I love Pioneer, and I have since it's inception. I imagine this is similar to what it felt like when modern was getting started, and I really hope it takes off in paper.

  • @slowloris1847
    @slowloris18472 жыл бұрын

    Been waiting for this - love all your content Prof - keep being awesome!

  • @TolarianCommunityCollege

    @TolarianCommunityCollege

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad you enjoy it!

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    @TolarianCommunityCollege2 жыл бұрын

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  • @brentkilgore5182
    @brentkilgore51822 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the review! This might actually get me to play a format other than commander. I had trouble getting into modern simply because access to older cards could be difficult, but having played through just about every set that pioneer has, my card selection is much better. Thanks prof!

  • @zarjamar1883
    @zarjamar18832 жыл бұрын

    "The point of combo is to win through degeneracy," Nearly choked on my drink, thanks Prof. XD

  • @coconutt6140
    @coconutt61402 жыл бұрын

    I remember when the challenger decks came out there was a LGS that was selling a hazoret aggro deck for $80. It was a little bit infuriating. Pushed me straight into the second sun control deck that was going for $35 at the same store and made me realize that I was a control player the whole time. I’m still a little pissed that the store would do something like that but I’m glad that it turned me on to the control play style.

  • @frankthetank520

    @frankthetank520

    2 жыл бұрын

    The Prof always drops lines like check your LGS for old products (just rotated our or the last commander decks) The literal second the new product comes out the price at least doubles. lol you can go to one down the road for me and buy the Equip and auras d&d deck for 65 bucks.

  • @Avusui

    @Avusui

    2 жыл бұрын

    That meta was so annoying, I played gruul dinos during that meta and all I played against was mono red and second sun lol

  • @Lyes669
    @Lyes6692 жыл бұрын

    Always waiting for your reviews about the products. Thx prof

  • @gokutwelve
    @gokutwelve2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! I’ve been waiting for these to be reviewed.

  • @robbnoble1509
    @robbnoble15092 жыл бұрын

    I can tell you that as a former retail manager when dealing with profit, it's not so much about the raw profit value as it is the percentage. In the case of the new decks at that cost, pricing should be around $50.

  • @macklenscribner7176

    @macklenscribner7176

    2 жыл бұрын

    Was gonna say, just taking the same 40% profit from Standard decks and then using that value, of 12, not the percentage of 40, is probably wrong. Most stores operate on margin percentages, not absolute values.

  • @markewingjr.594
    @markewingjr.5942 жыл бұрын

    I LOVE Pioneer, and I'm glad attention is being brought to the format. I've been one of the only people at my LGS that plays Pioneer, and these decks have definitely increased interest amongst my playgroup. I believe your review of the product is very fair, and it has brought to my attention that the price we currently have them listed at is probably too high. Keep up the great work!

  • @josephdurham4950
    @josephdurham49502 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait. I've been interested in new formats to play recently. Thank you Prof!

  • @mikethomas9794
    @mikethomas97942 жыл бұрын

    I've just started magic and your videos are so helpful, thanks for the hard work :)

  • @carltonharahuc2130
    @carltonharahuc21302 жыл бұрын

    I just want to say, I only started getting into magic about a month ago and THIS CHANNEL HAS BEEN INVALUABLE in helping me make decisions and understand the game, especially as someone who is transitioning from playing Yugi-oh heaviliy in the late 2000's. Thank you Professor for looking out for us as consumers and also for making your content so embracing.

  • @rmckinnes
    @rmckinnes2 жыл бұрын

    I started playing Magic during Dark Ascension and was very excited when pioneer was announced since I already had a good collection of cards for the format. I currently own Lurrus Burn, Lotus Field Combo, and a couple brews of my own. Pre-ordered a Challenger deck a few weeks ago to build another deck. I'm hoping to play them at an FNM in the near future.

  • @jesussermeno2669
    @jesussermeno26692 жыл бұрын

    Its always a joy. To watch a video from Prof. It feels like taking a class in a college. From economics (value of cards, decks, sleeves), to Social Studies (returning events, commander etc), to history and much much more. Thank you Prof for your time and energy to these videos.

  • @willisstroop2195
    @willisstroop21952 жыл бұрын

    Love the videos. Keep up the good work I have a group of friends and sometimes when we play magic I bring out the last set of challenge deals and we just pick one makes a fun night

  • @cheeseperson3048
    @cheeseperson30482 жыл бұрын

    I was waiting all day for this! Great Video!

  • @TolarianCommunityCollege

    @TolarianCommunityCollege

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yay! Thank you!

  • @bastienclarke1810
    @bastienclarke18102 жыл бұрын

    Pioneer is hot at our LGS’s, it’s fun. I take all my cards I drafted through the years and build decks.

  • @gamersoaisis3147
    @gamersoaisis31472 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much professor! I wanted a pioneer deck for the "gp" in LA and saw the new video you made. I'm very excited to try out the lotus field/auras deck!

  • @havanufmtg271
    @havanufmtg2712 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. This video shed some light. You taught me a thing or two. Keep up the good work!

  • @MysticAce39
    @MysticAce392 жыл бұрын

    Wanted to see this review for a couple of days now I was interested in picking one up but wanted to get your approval!

  • @evanbleu6362

    @evanbleu6362

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, me too in fact 😅

  • @Veon97
    @Veon972 жыл бұрын

    Damn, I wanted azorius spirits to be great, I want to play this archetype so much 😭 I played pioneer with monoU tempo when it first came out, and now that I know best which tempo deck is better in te format I’d be so into spirits

  • @TheEldritchVoid

    @TheEldritchVoid

    2 жыл бұрын

    Check out the azorius kaldheim commander it's pretty nifty and plays well out of the box it does get a bit solitaire at times but for phasing and spirits and annoying your friends it's well worth it (and you can always sub things to make it pioneer)

  • @TheGaryxis
    @TheGaryxis2 жыл бұрын

    This is the most recent video you've posted. I have just completed watching the last 4 videos. The entertainment quality of my commander day prep is excellent. Thanks for great videos and keep up the amazing work. Now for a few quick deck revisions and on to a few hours of commander.

  • @EDHisLIFE
    @EDHisLIFE2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for doing these videos professor! Much appreciated 🙏

  • @Bongus_Bubogus
    @Bongus_Bubogus2 жыл бұрын

    I was tracking the prices of these on Amazon over the last two months, curious how that marketplace priced them. I saw the decks go from $40.00 to $61.00 and up to $75.00 until dropping to $42.00 the day of release.

  • @suna7511

    @suna7511

    2 жыл бұрын

    damn, thats nasty

  • @TheGrifcannon22
    @TheGrifcannon222 жыл бұрын

    Just clicked, hoping UW spirits is good. Might give it a try. Edit: oh :(

  • @sampoth9564

    @sampoth9564

    2 жыл бұрын

    The spirts deck can easily be a B with about $20 in upgrades by adding the pathways and some Deserted Beaches

  • @sampoth9564

    @sampoth9564

    2 жыл бұрын

    The spirts deck can easily be a B with about $20 in upgrades by adding the pathways and some Deserted Beaches

  • @sampoth9564

    @sampoth9564

    2 жыл бұрын

    The spirts deck can easily be a B with about $20 in upgrades by adding the pathways and some Deserted Beaches

  • @sampoth9564

    @sampoth9564

    2 жыл бұрын

    The spirts deck can easily be a B with about $20 in upgrades by adding the pathways and some Deserted Beaches

  • @sampoth9564

    @sampoth9564

    2 жыл бұрын

    The spirts deck can easily be a B with about $20 in upgrades by adding the pathways and some Deserted Beaches

  • @Tck911
    @Tck9112 жыл бұрын

    Greatly appreciate your well thought out and enunciated content. Best reviews for mtg I’ve come across

  • @taylorferguson5461
    @taylorferguson54612 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for all of the informative videos! I agree I wish this had a code for arena. I’m new to magic and it’s been a really great way to learn.

  • @heathertennant4204
    @heathertennant42042 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video. I had high hopes when these were originally announced, because I’m interested in having a base for a mono-red Pioneer and Modern deck, but at a $45-50 price point I’m seeing online, it feels like it would be better to just buy singles. I do factor in the convenience of just getting a complete deck right away and upgrading it later. If I come across one for $39.99 I’ll probably get it.

  • @nobodyimportant72

    @nobodyimportant72

    2 жыл бұрын

    With the mono-red (notice EVERY Challenger Series has had Mono-red?) you've already purchased most of the cards in it if you've gotten the previous challenger decks. The Monastery Swiftspears are the only "new" Challenger card as the Soul-Scar was a 3 of in the first set which also had Chandra and the Couriers. 2019 gave us all the burn and the wizards plus whirler while 2020 gave use the Giant and Stage. Depending on if you've gotten the previous decks there's not much to the Red Burn deck.

  • @christina.morris
    @christina.morris2 жыл бұрын

    I can't ever remember where legality starts for Pioneer so I've not gotten into it. 8th Edition served as a really good benchmark for Modern since it coincided with the updated card frame, and made it stick in my mind... But Pioneer doesn't have a similar easy to remember breakpoint (for me, at least). So I might have liked to pick a couple of these up to get a feel for the format, but at that price that's a huge ask for a relatively small time format like this one.

  • @qotsajr

    @qotsajr

    2 жыл бұрын

    Picked up the Lotus Combo deck earlier today. On the handout it says all standard sets from Return to Ravnica (October 2012) to present. As a Modern/EDH player almost exclusively I'm right there with you. Several friends from my regular playgroup have spoken very highly of Pioneer as a format. It's certainly not the most prevalent at our LGS but with paper Standard being killed off entirely by Arena (in my area at least) I think there's room for it. Only time will tell now that people are showing up at FNM farily regularly again. Absolutely agree on the price point of these! I was really hoping they'd be no more than about forty bucks in store. Fifty-five is painful even with the included value. Wouldn't be surprised to see this product warming the shelves for a bit.

  • @jacket2848

    @jacket2848

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'd like to see pioneer take off a bit, but in my city it's dead, just like anything which isn't commander right now

  • @pnyhmsmx

    @pnyhmsmx

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Daniel Stovell iirc it has to do with RTR was the first standard set that revamped how they handled printing of Standard Legal sets after Innistrad block sold well while also causing logistical problems due to Double Faced cards

  • @horaciohernandez2850
    @horaciohernandez28502 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for always looking after our interests as players, Prof. Great review, answered all my questions!

  • @CasualJakeMTG
    @CasualJakeMTG2 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I play pioneer regularly and have helped cultivate a scene at my local LGS (usually 6-8 players each FNM with a diverse meta). I do agree that these decks could have been so much better but I do think they offer a decent starting off point. I bought the spirits deck and went 2-1 out of the box. Got a few upgrades and am feeling confident for next week!

  • @unraveki
    @unraveki2 жыл бұрын

    "And Orzhov auras at $69, nice" the Profs got taste

  • @DeadBodyMan

    @DeadBodyMan

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nice

  • @narkfly

    @narkfly

    2 жыл бұрын

    My thumbs up is this comment.

  • @unraveki

    @unraveki

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@narkfly by perchance, is that because you wish to keep the likes at a certain number...?

  • @isaacpulido9586

    @isaacpulido9586

    2 жыл бұрын

    dammit, I wanted to like but you're at 69. nice

  • @unraveki

    @unraveki

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@isaacpulido9586 past that now. Gimme my like then😈

  • @LithmusEarth
    @LithmusEarth2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, Pioneer! I'm getting a chance to play it for FNM on Friday!

  • @kg1728
    @kg17282 жыл бұрын

    Prof! LOVE the flow, serious style this episode

  • @juanbeltran7573
    @juanbeltran75732 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for all that you do I am working on my own pioneer deck it's fun making my own from scratch...

  • @nidoking.tamer34
    @nidoking.tamer342 жыл бұрын

    Oddly enough the spirit deck was the one I was the most excited for and picked up 2 of them on release day

  • @TheAwesomeCarlos1
    @TheAwesomeCarlos12 жыл бұрын

    The price tag alone is stopping my friends from diving in. Thankfully I’ve been able to give them budget lists

  • @trowawayacc

    @trowawayacc

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep. At this point this is why its actually better to get this over boosters of any kind. At least you get a fixed list no gambling involved. And they are still to expensive.

  • @abnormallynormal8823

    @abnormallynormal8823

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@trowawayacc compared to what? Commander decks are the same price and cheaper deck lists. All these decks are based on actual tier 1 decks (except auras, that’s more their 3 now) and you get some insane cards that you can use in other formats if you end up not liking pioneer. They’re $45 at my LGS, or $140 for all 4 on Amazon. For the price of a land base for a modern deck or a commander deck, I can get all 4 decks, sleeves, boulders and a quiver for casual 1v1 after a night of commander, or for teaching someone new to the game, and I can easily throw 30 bucks in upgrades at almost any of them to have a decent time at any tournament style event.

  • @MaximePoirier
    @MaximePoirier2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks prof for those reviews! I just finished my first pioneer deck and I will test it tomorow at my lgs. I think this format will be very popular.

  • @eloysernas7102
    @eloysernas71022 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for all the info teacher

  • @staurosmenexes7295
    @staurosmenexes72952 жыл бұрын

    0:35 the fact that Prof didn't say "don't call it a comeback it's been here for years" dissapoints me. That was a sick opportunity for a reference.

  • @bear_6875

    @bear_6875

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same bro.

  • @toof987

    @toof987

    2 жыл бұрын

    LL Cool J is sad

  • @jaydenyamada2916
    @jaydenyamada29162 жыл бұрын

    Still unsure on this one. My lgs is starting up ioneer events and I could grab one of these, or brew budget energy or ensoul for the same cost, which I think I would have more fun playing

  • @paladinrhogar6498
    @paladinrhogar64982 жыл бұрын

    Started watching you last year with serious interest. More than working at a local game store, you gave me the interest and passion not just to play Magic, but buy Magic affordably. Thank you, Prof!

  • @billberndtson
    @billberndtson2 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always, Prof 😁

  • @alessandrodellanno948
    @alessandrodellanno9482 жыл бұрын

    The part on inserting a code to play the pioneer decks even online can be applied also to commander precons. They would gain so much from the digital side,it just seems they don't really care .

  • @raymondgreen9379

    @raymondgreen9379

    2 жыл бұрын

    Putting a code in the commander precons would also force them to code all the new cards into MTGO

  • @alessandrodellanno948

    @alessandrodellanno948

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@raymondgreen9379 i mean a lot of effort for sure,but it's a whole new business where the income would not come from cards but from other stuff. Quarantine didn't teach them anything. I would have paid a lot to have a working videogame with a good looking UI to play commander with my friends and with my decks.

  • @raymondgreen9379

    @raymondgreen9379

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@alessandrodellanno948 oh I was agreeing with you

  • @alessandrodellanno948

    @alessandrodellanno948

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@raymondgreen9379 yeah I know. Sorry if I sounded rude. I was just saying:)

  • @pnyhmsmx

    @pnyhmsmx

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@raymondgreen9379 they want to milk Mtgo till it dies or considered too much competition for Arena

  • @ChiralWolf
    @ChiralWolf2 жыл бұрын

    no shocklands is abysmal. with the recent secret lair printing they've basically said they're only worth at most $8 a piece. for a $50 per con i'd expect at least 2

  • @pnyhmsmx

    @pnyhmsmx

    2 жыл бұрын

    Considering Secret Lairs are usually foil, nah. They're only so low since Wizards doesn't has to split profits with LGS. Otherwise the cheapest SL would've been 100 bucks from the get go if they worked with LGS rather than order from Wizards themselves. What's Wizards is doing here is.morr dishonest than Konami intentionally gutting 10 dollar structure decks for non JP markets way back when

  • @Giffsen
    @Giffsen2 жыл бұрын

    I love your content Prof. Thanks to you I, a pretty new player, can understand more about these not so common formats and if they're worth getting or not.

  • @markverdugo4501
    @markverdugo45012 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for another great video!

  • @ThePhantomphan11
    @ThePhantomphan112 жыл бұрын

    I love Pioneer! I was super excited when it first was announced, and it was one of the only formats I've ever played with any consistency at a game store. I play prereleases but never played much else in person, so I was glad to play weekly at my LGS. I'm afraid covid killed it. I haven't played at all post Inverter ban. I wish they would just get it on Arena already then maybe I'd play Arena

  • @danielwhitten2479

    @danielwhitten2479

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agree!!

  • @clasherking4528
    @clasherking45282 жыл бұрын

    So am I the only one who remembers the basic formats (standard, modern, legacy, and commander) and not much else? How many different formats do we even have at this point?

  • @k9commander

    @k9commander

    2 жыл бұрын

    You forgot Vintage, Pioneer, and Brawl.

  • @robertjohnson2865
    @robertjohnson28652 жыл бұрын

    I was waiting for this one and it didn't disappoint great job professor!

  • @docseamonster3491
    @docseamonster34912 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Also your hair is fantastic in this, love it.

  • @tbone6704
    @tbone67042 жыл бұрын

    I like pioneer when you get to play against someone who is playing a weird tier 2 deck of cards you haven't seen in ages. I always queue into sweaty tier 1 cookie cutter decks. Pioneer also never fires in my area since all the bans and the apocalypse.

  • @ruffneck168

    @ruffneck168

    2 жыл бұрын

    mtg arena land destruction decks xD

  • @AndreJHoward

    @AndreJHoward

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ruffneck168 I play Ponza historic all the time lol

  • @ruffneck168

    @ruffneck168

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AndreJHoward ive been running something similar r/g brew of my own with waking the trolls stone rain, 8 other land destruction cards and mana ramp xD and the explore card that lets you add addditional land cards and draw 7 for a turn and threat and the haste/riot wyrm. fun deck if you get the right hand you can burn lands turn 2/3 consistently and for those running hard mana bases lulullululul the only problem are mono aggro decks or dual aggro decks with good land base. otherwise its fun to smash their lands.

  • @noahrae-grant2540
    @noahrae-grant25402 жыл бұрын

    My LGS is having a hard enough time restarting Standard events (Modern, Commander, and Limited are the most active formats at the store). They’re not even attempting to start Pioneer up.

  • @Aronax507
    @Aronax5072 жыл бұрын

    I was just thinking about getting one of these! In trying to get into the format in paper, since modern is a vut overwhelming and most of my collection is pioneer legal, thanks for the video!

  • @drewjones2485
    @drewjones24852 жыл бұрын

    Hi Professor! Finally on time to class.

  • @nuttysalts9649
    @nuttysalts96492 жыл бұрын

    The fact that there is no redemption code really parts my interest in these decks; even planeswalker decks had redemption codes

  • @andrewfergusonis5542
    @andrewfergusonis55422 жыл бұрын

    We should be careful on money useage,if you are not spending to earn back,then stop spending.

  • @mikescott8619

    @mikescott8619

    2 жыл бұрын

    True ! Even some rich men made it through investing there money in something doing and they made it.

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    @thompsonlucky1916

    2 жыл бұрын

    Investing in today is priceless because tomorrow isn't promised, trading Bitcoins,gold, silver and crypto secure a better tomorrow.

  • @jamesphilip5272

    @jamesphilip5272

    2 жыл бұрын

    @ahoj Gregory That won't bother you if you trade with a professional like Mr MATTHEW SMITH.

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    @garymichael8238

    2 жыл бұрын

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  • @garymichael8238

    @garymichael8238

    2 жыл бұрын

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  • @christopherlake1648
    @christopherlake16482 жыл бұрын

    Very useful feedback, i just bought the Azorius spirits deck. I'll be looking into more mana options ASAP. 👊 👊 Plus some other interesting cards I've seen on your channel and Game Knights.

  • @laurij115
    @laurij1152 жыл бұрын

    Needed this, these kind of videos are really usefull

  • @tanuki2021
    @tanuki20212 жыл бұрын

    I love pioneer because most deck brews have some chance of being competitive, even jank. I get disappointed that many MTG players still claim modern is the king non-rotating format and just dismiss Pioneer. I just do not have a good time when games get decided on turns 3-4 because I don't have access to the latest $200 playsets of one drops or have expensive mana bases to keep my decks competitive.

  • @MrTandtrollet
    @MrTandtrollet2 жыл бұрын

    What percentage of your viewers are from Europe? When you do monetary analysis, could you start looking at the European market too? Most people here use Cardmarket trend prices for singles pricing. And the product price should be fairly easy to figure out too =)

  • @Phe0nix1986
    @Phe0nix19862 жыл бұрын

    Prof you seem to have your collar looser and looser each video. So casual! I love it.

  • @MrSedro22
    @MrSedro222 жыл бұрын

    Pioneer is the FNM format of choice at my LGS so I grabbed and upgraded the Lotus Field deck to give the format a try. For me, $45 for a pretty good version of the deck was a good value. I upgraded the mana base and swapped out another dozen or so cards to up the competitiveness. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for the valuable and informative product review!

  • @jonnycantu8791
    @jonnycantu87912 жыл бұрын

    Im probably gonna pick up the lotus field combo just for the set of lotus fields, the omniscience, and the approach of the second sun. the lotus fields were stopping me from going to into jeskai control in modern with the blood sun package, and the omniscience and approach can easily slot into a little casual azorius edh deck ive been brewing for pods

  • @mhicks31
    @mhicks312 жыл бұрын

    Pioneer is just getting going at my LGS. More Pioneer content please. Thank you.

  • @ry7hym
    @ry7hym Жыл бұрын

    I remember when I bought my Origins deckbuilder's toolkit. The little paper that came with it talked about different deck archetypes, one of which was black white auras. ive never built / bought such a deck but Ive always been interested in it

  • @eliamagri7413
    @eliamagri74132 жыл бұрын

    Beaitiful vid, only a correction: temple of mistery is played 4x in a lot of lotus field combo competitive lists!

  • @jonahgately3294
    @jonahgately32942 жыл бұрын

    Always wanted to get into pioneer, but I never knew just how to get into it. My lgs started doing events for pioneer thanks to these.

  • @deshawnjackson9077
    @deshawnjackson90772 жыл бұрын

    Your new hair style looks great!

  • @erichanson2641
    @erichanson26412 жыл бұрын

    Greta video! I love Pioneer and have been playing it since it’s inception. Thank you for letting me know about the awesome guys of Crew 3 podcast. They have kept me informed about my favorite format since the beginning. I don’t plan to buy these decks as I have all the cards from them that I want already, but I’m glad Wizards put them out. Pioneer is super fun and I will continue to play it as my constructed format of choice!

  • @comradesnake
    @comradesnake2 жыл бұрын

    I loved Pioneer when it came out, its what kept me going in Magic when I was getting very tired of it. It gave me a fun way to build competitively without relying too heavily on the mana base, as well as revisit standard decks of old that could enjoy some of the newer tech! I intend on picking up the Auras and Lotus Field decks to keep together, but I'm probably going to keep using my own brews for Pioneer nights, should they return to my LGS.

  • @JinjaDragon_77
    @JinjaDragon_772 жыл бұрын

    Seen my LGS do these for £30.49, Made me tempted to look into the format and into these decks. Might have to pick a couple up when I next go to my lgs

  • @TheArcSet
    @TheArcSet2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this video.

  • @Zachalanche
    @Zachalanche2 жыл бұрын

    I've been playing pioneer lots over the past couple months. It has been fun and great. Were hoping these decks help more people get into the format in our area and at our local lgs

  • @xaidnart
    @xaidnart2 жыл бұрын

    In our city pioneer is second-most popular format (after commander), and I was very excited about these precon decks when I first heard of them. I definitely plan to pick up the lotus field one when they arrive in Russia, though it may not be soon...

  • @gelui13
    @gelui132 жыл бұрын

    Would be great to hear you opinion about how to build a mana base for commander, I mean an updated video!

  • @crackcorn0404
    @crackcorn04042 жыл бұрын

    I pretty much said the same thing yesterday about Spirits. Take out the temples and put in shock lands. Temples and check lands together make for a slow start. Also, replace the Brazen Borrower with a Selfless Spirit and it's pretty much good to go.

  • @TyrantOfTales
    @TyrantOfTales2 жыл бұрын

    Been looking forward to this

  • @hikkisuki
    @hikkisuki2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Prof for this video! Very informative indeed. I like Pioneer as a lower power alternative to Modern. Some of the janky ideas I played in rotated standard live on in Pioneer.

  • @redmageviewer
    @redmageviewer2 жыл бұрын

    I got the lotus combo deck and was suprised to see the dinos and the thought distortions in the sideboard. I took those out, kept one of the thought distortion though good card to screw over opponent once you get the mana. Also took out the temples for a couple of breeding pools. Deck seemed to play fine with the temples but I dont like them when there is better duel lands in the format. My friend got the Auras deck and he has no plans on changing anything about it, other than some lands. Got him a 3-0 at our LGS last week.

  • @dac314
    @dac3142 жыл бұрын

    I visited three LGS's to find Challenger Decks a week or so ago, and the selection was very limited. I'm glad to have your videos to sort them and their relative values, so I can know which are the best, have the best mana-bases, and which years did Wizards decide to screw the Consumers/players, and which years they actually put some heart into the damn cards. Thank you, as always Prof, for your efforts to review product and voice a dissenting view on the ever-increasing price of luxury cardboard rectangles.

  • @matstuff6744
    @matstuff67442 жыл бұрын

    I'm working backwards through your videos. Yes, this helped out a lot especially with your latest video :)

  • @hivbia
    @hivbia2 жыл бұрын

    I don't even play MTG but I love these videos. They are so well done!

  • @irou95
    @irou952 жыл бұрын

    That erratad lurrus is amazing, I need to get one

  • @elijahlyon3670
    @elijahlyon36702 жыл бұрын

    I love Pioneer and have been playing at my LGS for like 2 years now, (safely as we can). I play a hammer time variant and love when I see content creators mention the format. I hope the format can stick around for when paper play and make a comeback.

  • @ElvencloudYT
    @ElvencloudYT2 жыл бұрын

    I know this is off topic, but you're looking good Prof - hope you're doing well in these wild times. Thank you for another entertaining and educational video. :3

  • @macutv6868
    @macutv68682 жыл бұрын

    i have a Merfolk Pioneer and i love it on how consistent and aggressive is

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