Wendell: "who has a cdrom anymore?" also Wendell: "here's my test bench with a cdrom"

@christopherjackson2157

2 жыл бұрын

Some vague fomo keeps me from ditching mine. Never use it but I can't bring myself to get rid of it

@pkt1213

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherjackson2157 mine still gets used. My wife has to burn CDs being a music teacher. I find the occasional CD to rip or new DVD/BR to rip. I have the two optical drives. on my server and either rip off that or mount them to my desktop.

just upgraded to this combo from i5-3570, paired with an RTX 3060ti, awesome combo.

I just added a second m.2 970 1T in my bottom slot. I LOVE THE way they just hide away into the motherboards now with no need for SATA Drives wether SSD OR hard drives.. I have gen 4 980 Evo 500gig for my top slot and for windows main drive.. but honestly I can't tell the difference between m.2 gen 3 or 4 in real world uses.. But that's me.. It benchmarks you will see it..

The mortar mobo are excellent. I'm running a B550M MORTAR WIFI and love it.

Ironically bought 12700F and this board a month ago. A big jump from 4670k H97, I'll tell you.

Would love a tutorial on base clock overclocking on a non-K Intel processor. Great video!

@TheVillainOfTheYear

2 жыл бұрын

@@badjonatan base. Your CPU frequency is determined by two numbers: the core multiplier and the base clock. On virtually all modern CPUs, the base clock is set to 100 MHz by default. This particular number sets the speed of a lot of other things, like interconnects between PCIe devices and stuff I'm not super familiar with (because I don't touch it and it just works). To get your CPU core frequency, you multiply the "multiplier," number with the base clock. So if you have a base clock of 100 and you set your multiplier to 50, that's 100 x 50 = 5000 MHz, or 5.0 GHz. Adjusting the multiplier is how you usually overclock CPU frequency on K series CPUs or Ryzens. But on non-K series Intel, that multiplier is "locked," or not available. You can't just dial in a multiplier of 50, tune the Vcore and LLC a bit, and get a stable 5GHz OC. But now, you can tune the base clock. So if the default for something like a 12500 is 3.0GHz "base clock" (different kind of base clock here; this refers to the lowest frequency the CPU will run at normal operation), it's 100MHz base clock x a multiplier of 30 that you can't control. But if you could set your base clock to 150 MHz (which may not even be realistic, I never did BCLK overclocking before), that will be 30 x 150 = 4500 MHz or 4.5 GHz, which is faster than the CPU is supposed to run. But you can cause a lot of system instability OCing this way, so I never bothered with it. Would love to learn how to do it safely.

@TheVillainOfTheYear

2 жыл бұрын

@@badjonatan you understand how it works, but your terminology is about a decade out of date. This value was called "front side bus," speed back in the era of physical North Bridges on motherboards. Some sources may still call it that, but most everyone has moved on to "base clock," or BCLK, (which again is different from the "base clock," that really just means idle clock speed), now that the functions of the north bridge have moved onto the CPU die. Simple video that explains more: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oGqYmdlucZvaabg.html

@user-ds9np5py2e

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheVillainOfTheYear i have an 12700K can i oc it on b660m mortar max ?

@General_Li_Shin

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ds9np5py2e z690 only for overclocking unless you find very specific b660

@CRJ08

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ds9np5py2e max, yes.

Hey, could you pls make a video with OCing that 12400? Would love to see performance uplift and also power consumption. Also, with the 13400 on the way, it could be a nice upgrade.

Just built a PC with the DDR4 version of this board. Paired with a 12400F and some 4600 DDR4 I had previously purchased for a Z370, dumb idea! After BIOS update on the Mortar the 4600 XMP booted first try. Put a 4x4 m.2 in the top slot. So smooth in windows and the little game testing I've done. My third Alder Lake build, cheapest of the three build.

@deagle7602

2 жыл бұрын

does it fully support the i5-12400f out of the box, or will it require bios flashback first? This is my first PC build.

@otysfg

2 жыл бұрын

@@deagle7602 it did work out of the box, I needed to update bios for the ram speeds. You would update the bios anyways as the 12th gen boards early bios seem a bit hobbled together and there is stability to be had flashing to the current bios.

@deagle7602

2 жыл бұрын

@@otysfg ok thanks. Yeah after researching, I understand it’s recommended to update the bios. I was just worried since there is no bios flashback button. And on the pc partpicker site, it says it needs a bios update first to make the CPU compatible.

I'm not even interested in this tier of mobo for my own builds, but I'm always interested to see Wendell's thoughts on hardware. 🅱omment for engagement

What do you think about Micro builds vs Atx builds. I kind of want to do a Micro with this board you listed.

I just got this motherboard and the RAM slots at the bottom do not move! Very confused, any suggestions?

NICE VID

i still have a blue ray burner drive and in the last year i have only used it twice

I don´t like the max Ram Speed limitations by having more than one 1 DDR5 module! I am a bit dissappointed by MSI, cause everytime I find something I am not happy about when it comes to the performance sheet. I would like to know how well overclocking the base clock works on this model. Are you sure there is an option to base clock overclocking? Because I only see CPU Overclocking settings for Intel K-CPU-Series.

Where I live MSI always got a bad rep for the quality of their products, and I wasn't a fan of that brand either, but the mortar mobo's are probably the best price to value available on the market... currently have a 3700x paired with a b450m mortar max and 3080ti - the experience so far was nothing less than excellent, worked without any problems with the xmp oc four Ballistix Elite DDR4 sticks.

@Gersberms

2 жыл бұрын

They had this review scandal a few years ago, but now everyone's back reviewing MSI like it never happened. It's kind of weird and I wonder what really happened after the story came out. If you missed it, Gamers Nexus reported on it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gWp2utl8etfHiqg.html

@youkofoxy

2 жыл бұрын

MSI is weird, they make good even great products however are known to miss the mark on important details. so it is a good idea to keep them as a viable option, yet not fully trust what the place on the plate.

@youkofoxy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gersberms the review scandal was similar to what other companies had before. Manipulation of what gets published or not by suggesting retakes or offering monetary compensation for not publishing the review. Using a text with very nice words, that requires a second to notice what is implied. it has happened and mostly likely continue to happen in the industry. If they changed ways or not, is unknown... they probably did, given Steve has not push it further. what probably has not change is they nitpicking quotes from reviews. Based on the correspondence content it was mostly likely a case of corruption caused by upper management pressure, similar to what happened to Volkswagen. so it important that all sides do not encourage the other to "given in" by paying attention to ethics and morals. Is also probably why nobody care much about it anymore, it just the "political scandal" of the year and that was it. That is why Steve advocate for a more hard-line and careful stance when dealing with companies response to reviews and doing a "as If you brought it" review regardless if yes or no. While also asking companies to stop trying to influence results attempting to turn reviews into "free marketing disguise as review". What was more severe was they disregard for consumers by buying back GPU stock and reselling at higher price. While the first can be a question of what reviewer have attention and morals you can trust, the last is horrible. They did not committee a crime in law, yet have done something totally despicable that should be a crime.

@Tripokaridos22

Жыл бұрын

Its not my mobo has a buzz noise .

What the difrence between b660m mortar and mortar wifi ? Any difrence peformance ?

I have to go for a matx solution, do you think is good with a i7 12700?

I have the same motherboard but the ddr4 version. my pc won’t boot with 2 sticks of ram? I bought 2 new packs and tried them and both pairs won’t work with 2 sticks of ram and only 1. Can anyone help

Hello, I have a question, how to output 5.1 sound through the spdif connector on this motherboard? I have in the settings for some reason only 2.0 sound. In the bios settings, surround sound is enabled, the latest version of realtek control is installed.

@arungoldbeta

Ай бұрын

I saw settings visible in windows 10

wasnt there a way to use avx512 with older BIOSes?

Is there any significant reason why I'd want this for gaming over let's say a ASRock B660M Pro RS? There's a $50 price difference. 12700f 3080 build.

Can you use bottom pcie slot when install 2,4 slot gpu?

Does it have legacy mode support in bios? or completely uefi3

Hello! Nice video, can you put a link to the scripts running in power shel?! 😁

where would i get your windows 11 install script?

will this board be able to run in 4k or no when gaming

I'm surprised that Wendell didn't mention the DDR4 vs 5. As it stands right now, with that i5 there's absolutely no reason to do the 5. Save the bucks and the DDR4 boards seem to be far more available. It seems to me that the switch to DDR5 is a real struggle.

@dereksmith6713

Жыл бұрын

TLDR: the high performance ram, even the ddr4 is being bottlenecked by the best of the 3000 and 6000 series gpu’s at resolutions over 1080p. From what I can tell with my rudimentary understanding of all this is that as of now (August 2022) the ddr4 is being bottlenecked at 1440p resolution and higher. At 1080p we see the high speed versions of ddr4 working unrestricted with high end gpu’s. The ddr5 should do this at 1440p and maybe 4K depending on how much more powerful the upcoming 4000 and 7000 series gpu’s are going to be.

@originalface320

Жыл бұрын

@@dereksmith6713 The only time to even slightly worry about ram speed is if you are running a top tier rig and wanting benchmark numbers as high as possible. Why waste money on ddr5 for almost no gaming improvement when the money could be spent on a better gpu? The cpu or gpu will bottleneck long before ram speed is important.

yea i bought a MSI MAG motherboard, RMA it twice and could never get it to work with 5000 series ryzen cpu's i even updated bios, even booted with a 3000 series ryzen cpu to make sure the bios update is up to date and nothing, msi never wanted to do nothing, so i complain to BBB and msi said they will send me a new motherboard that was about 3 weeks ago

How much room is there for air cooler please reply

Wasn’t RPCS3 using AVX-512 or something?

This compatible with their thunderbolt 4 card?

I am upgrading my Asus Maximus Gene VIII Z170 with an i7 6700k to the MSI B660M Mortar with an i7 12700k Graphics I am going from a Zotac 1080 mini to a Zotac RTX 3060 12GB Twin Edge OC

@temporayaccoun

Жыл бұрын

How that’s working

Amazing video. Just bought this board paired with i712700k and same memory Beast Fury 32gb kit with a 3080 12gb msi oc.

Woot!

With updated Bios, will this board endure 13600k or even 13700k? I'm worried because of VRM and TDP. I guess it can take 13600k because its very similar to 12700k, but will it take 13700k? Thanks for the vid!

@angrysocialjusticewarrior

Жыл бұрын

Vrm's on this board is fine. It supports dual 8 pin connectors for cpu power, which is massive even if you want to install a 12900k, and it has big heat sinks to disperse the heat. The only issue with installing a "k" series cpu on this motherboard is that you will not be allowed to manually overclock the cpu. So if you plan on keeping this board, rather save your money and buy the non k cpu (13700 or 13700f).

How this MB has 6 x Sata ports as this chip only supports 4 x Sata?

So the 12400 will fully saturate a 3080? wow my 6600xt will really like this upgrade hahaha.. this will be my cpu+board setup coming from a 8600k z370 board.

Can you post that chocolatey script??

Is there a ddr4 version?

build a cheap router with it. it can take the celeron chipset.

It's funny to see Intel going through the whole windows scheduling thing that AMD went through when they uped the cores...

@marvintpandroid2213

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but having E and P cores give a whole new level of complexity.

@marcasswellbmd6922

2 жыл бұрын

@@marvintpandroid2213 It's the amount of cores that's the problem as soon as you go over 8 core and 16 threads windows don't know what to do with all those cores.. These companies have gone core crazy.. The windows scheduler just loves 4 cores and 8 threads..

@marvintpandroid2213

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcasswellbmd6922 that is part of the problem but lots of the thread scheduling software isn't yet p core vs e core aware, depends on the language and the compiler

@marvintpandroid2213

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcasswellbmd6922 where as the problem with AMD is subset of numa

@marcasswellbmd6922

2 жыл бұрын

@@marvintpandroid2213 I get what you are saying, and I really Like what Intel did with these chips...

If you want cost-down why go for DDR5? Don't imderstamd that. The DDR4 version would be more sensible.

11th gen was sad. So many insane motherboards. And nothing worth putting in them. I'm waiting to see them show up on second hand market

@angrysocialjusticewarrior

2 жыл бұрын

Really sad indeed. That generation is so bad, that there are actually a sizeable amount of games where an i9 11900 gets destroyed by an entry level i5 12400 in both single core and multicore games. In games where the i9 11900 beats the 12400, the 12400 still performs on par with an i5 11600k for the rest of all the other games.

@jeremyniels

Жыл бұрын

11400 was the absolute value king for a while wym. tho since 12th gen came out it instantly became obsolete since the 11900 was a joke

Oh I still have some old mx5 in tube from like 8vyears ago..

God I have to say it, It reminds me of a B550 ryzen board when it comes to PCIE4 N 3 ON the bottom slot.. n I have a 2.5 gig on my PG Velocita..

to be fair the 11th gen was slower in some cases to the 10th gen. intel really didnt have shit that gen

Looking to build with this mother board, Intel BX8071512700K Core i7-12700K 12 Core 3.6GHz 10nm Alder Lake Socket LGA1700 + EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra Gaming LHR Edition 10G What do you guys think?

@reckless5762

Жыл бұрын

im not sure how well it would overclock the K version of cpus, it doesn't overclock the multiplier, only BCLK, so maybe worth it to compare to Z690 chipset motherboards? i wanna buy the mortar max too but im not sure if its worse/better than Z690 boards of similar price range

@temporayaccoun

Жыл бұрын

@@reckless5762 I got i7 12700k paired with B660 WiFi motherboard and Rtx series, so far haven’t seen any issues with that just noticed the max temps in gaming was 70•c in summers, not more than that.

4:25 anddddd ya lost me at ddr5. Close msi, really close. Having to pay almost as much on ram as the board or cpu. Nawwwwww (if ya continue the budget train of thought, you can score a 16gb ddr5 5200 kit for $160)

@Dracossaint

2 жыл бұрын

Wait there's a ddr4 version. Im down

@youkofoxy

2 жыл бұрын

maybe in a year or two... maybe not. right now I just don't buy a system due the new generation "Leap" being around the corner and I wanna see what it offers. if sounds good, I wait, if not DDR 4 it is.

rocket lake is a meme

Crap Motherboard, With a Premium PSU the Motherboard has a Buzzing noise, I use different PSU and on different way less expensive mobo Asrock H610M-HVS and it didnt Buzz.

First

YOU ABSOLUTLY WRONG! SO MANY PEOPLE DONT HAVE INTERNET, DRIVERS ON CD OR DVD IS MUST. YOU WATCHING BY WEST WORD STANDART.

Mortar? What kind of warmongering motherboard is this?

@tenforward3601

Жыл бұрын

It's a good thing. In the future war will be fought with motherboards instead of humans.