The state of modern motherboards is just disgusting, prices keep going up and quality keeps going down, thank you for guiding me away from the bad boards!

@paisenpaisen

2 жыл бұрын

especially true for intel board manufacturers, most of the boards are as expensive or more expensive than the cpu itself

@corniel657

2 жыл бұрын

Ikr it's infuriating

@LiegeMaximo

2 жыл бұрын

@@paisenpaisen lol true. Here a decent b660 is more than i512400f wtheck

@saputrasaputra3347

Жыл бұрын

not to mention msi dog like

This was honestly amazing. Super impressed with all the work y'all went through for this video. Thanks!

This is exactly the comparison I needed as I'm looking exactly on this boards. Thank you very much

You are a very underrated KZreadr. Your videos are great, easy to understand, and very informative. Love this channel.

Excellent channel - straight to the point. Amazing review! Kudos

Man I don't think you could've made a more perfect video for me today. Thank you so much. All 4 of the boards I was considering were compared... and the structure of your video as well as the testing and explanations of "out of the box vs tampering with bios" were so insanely helpful. Thank you so much man.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to be of service!

@m01287

27 күн бұрын

Which mother board you pick?

@Macaroli

27 күн бұрын

@@m01287 I ended up going with the msi mag ddr4. I love it and have never had any issues at all

I had to subscribe, the amount and quality of work you do is amazing!

exactly what i needed, amazing production quality btw

Great tests! Thank you for your work!

I bought the Gigabyte MB for €128!! Great MB for 12th gen. i3 and i5. Thank you for this review, so i can pick the cheapest board even cheaper.

Cool, appreciate your work. Can't wait for ASUS TUF B660M-E D4 review.

@HungPham-ki9wu

Жыл бұрын

Đã mua chưa anh định mua pro rs mà được khuyên thêm 1 triệu lên tuf plus nên cũng băn khoăn

Great video man! It's exactly what I've been searching for for the past 3days. Really helps if you are building a budget PC on LGA 1700 platform. Keep up the good work!

@edsontsilva

2 жыл бұрын

you think b660 is a good option?

@tech-adeptzeth1648

Жыл бұрын

@@edsontsilva with what did you go with in the end? I am stuck with iGPU options for a while, so between AM4 and 1700, I might be forced to go former, as the latter's boards, even B660Ms are as expensive locally as i3-12100. 😔

@YoungMinistry351

Жыл бұрын

​@Tech-Adept Zeth what did you end up doing?

Keep it up this was an excellent review much appreciate the work you put in for test in. I was really looking into the gigabyte with a 12400 new F5 bios will be fine but I preffred that msi looks like a much better board by far. O one thing Just don't sit so close to the camera!

Thank You for this Video! im gonna go for the Msi Pro. Great comparison!

Underrated channel keep up the great work

Thanks for this extremely useful video!

super impressed with your extensive research

I was looking for a video like this but then decided to gamble on MSI PRO B660M since their VRMs' specs look good. Glad I did! It can handle my i5-12600K pretty easily!

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Good choice! We'll have a full review of the MSI PRO B660M-A out soon!

@restymalinao2023

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Awesome!

Got aAsrock B660 Steel Legend and its rock solid.

Excellent! You deserve 1M subscribers 👏👍👌

you are doing amazing work!

Just finished installing a 12400f on the gigabyte DS3H B660M (non AX). I run cinebench r23 on it and the scores came out the same with other 12400fs and despite the high temps ( high 80c range) there wasnt any vrm throttling or downclocking. Just make sure to flash the latest bios or it runs at least the F5 version. Mine came with the F6 and i flashed the F21 on it to take advantage of all the improvements overtime. Pretty decent mobo for a 12400.

Great review , keep it up , you'll be at 100k subs in no time

This channel is really great, love this video. It helps me a tons.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Really happy to hear that, makes the effort worthwhile!

I couldnt decide which of these budgets boards to buy for my 12400, they all seemed much of a muchness, because of that it was actually the hardest decision to make lol. In the end I went with the MSI simply cos it had the 8 phase vrm. Looks like that was the right choice but I still wish a saw this vid earlier. Great work.

@Minke093

Жыл бұрын

I have 12100f and maybe will someday upgrade to 12400f. I dont know what motherboard to buy, MSI PRO B660M-E DDR4 or MSI PRO B660M-A? Do u know the difference between them?

@iihamed711

Жыл бұрын

@@Minke093MSI PRO B660M-A is much better than the other one

Your vídeos about Gigabyte B660M DS3H helps me a lot. I did all configurations power and my 12400F is flying. Thanks!

@johanneskesete6410

Жыл бұрын

What ram/memory do you have?

@renato7601

Жыл бұрын

@@johanneskesete6410 Corsair LPX 2 x 8GB 3000 C15 CMK16GX4M2B3000C15

@johanneskesete6410

Жыл бұрын

@@renato7601 thanks

excellent review! great for budget builder and keep it up please

excelente video! what are those settings that need to be made to the ASRock in the power profile?

i have the asus prime b660 paired with the i7 12700, it's an awsome and pretty cheap combo imo! Great video :)

@imvalkyr

2 жыл бұрын

Bro is this motherboard enough? What cooler are you using?

@castelL586

2 жыл бұрын

​@@imvalkyr i think is not good option for that cpu, asus prime are very weak boards which i recommender only for cpu like i3 or i5-12400F, asus tuf b660m-plus is a lot of better option

I like these videos!!! Thank for the advice!

thank you. awesome reviews

You did 100 times better than "Hardware Unboxed ", lots of information i found from your video. Great job

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Daym! I love this guy. He now ranked Top spot in my brain lol

Great video! You just gained a subscriber!

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to have you aboard!

Valuable content. Thank you for doing this video! I was planning to put i9-13900k in that motherboard lol 😂 now the next candidate for me is Asus Prime Z690M... ✌️

Thanks for the review!. Really like it . I have a B660m Tuf gaming-plus with 12600K with a 212 evo black edition rgb cooler, and it works good. Never overclocked any of my previous k-cpus, so this will be ok for me :)

@Shadowat00

2 жыл бұрын

What PSU are you using? Does it come with 8+8 pin cpu 12v connectors?

@AndrewTSq

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shadowat00 I use a EVGA BQ600 PSU in this computer. Its only 4+4 (that makes a 8 pin) cpu power connector. But you dont need to plug in the other on the mainboard.

@AndrewTSq

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shadowat00 btw if you are planning to get this motherboard, I can tell you that the first ramslot near the cpu is not usuable with a evo 212-cooler, cause the fan is in the way. With Evo 212 you could mount the fan higher up (with a slight performance loss I guess), but with bigger coolers, it might be a bigger problem. but good thing is that hte first ram slot is for channel 2.. so you dont need it if you only use 2 sticks of ram

@kaustubhx5452

2 жыл бұрын

Is 12600k working fine and at full potential on your B660M mobo? Also what would be best cpu on a B660M 12600k or 12700 non-k version?

@AndrewTSq

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaustubhx5452 its running with full power. (Up to 240watt, but never seen it go beyond 125watt) . And when I compare benchmarknumbers with z690 boards they are the same. I think the non k 12700 is a better buy but it was much more expensive my 12600k was 250usd on sale and the 12700 was 399.

thanks for your effort m8

Thanks man. You saved my money

Great work 💪

Hopefully Hardware Unboxed will give us the VRM temps as well.

Great comparison Edit: I have Asus TUF GAMING B660-e and its nice but consider to think about adding little money for plus version its not special but more usb are good with thunderboald with another heatsink for vrm

Good review! Are you going to do a more detailed test of the MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4? Thank you

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's on the list! All being well it should be out by the end of the week.

@Jeremie18

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker can you confirm the Intel limitation of the VCCSA on the non-K CPU? It would be impossible to go with DDR4 at 3600mhz or more in Gear 1? What is the impact of Gear 2 in this case (best choice: 3200mhz@gear 1 or 3200mhz@gear2)? Thanks

Any channel who has The Balvenie next to tech parts on a shelf is a good channel in my book 😆

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

You know it! Doublewood 17...

Great video!

Great video, Can you check and confirm if any of these support Bclk overclock and make another video about the boards that do?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yes none of them do! (well, the minor +3% Bclck only, not the wild massive Bclck overclock that needs an external clock generator). I wanted to focus in on the power limits thing with this video as I knew it would be long anyway. I'll reivew as many baords in depth to cover infotmation like this as I can.

Hi, I see that a year had passed since your video and Asrock B660M Pro RS has since gotten 3 BIOSes. Would perhaps the board perform as expected now? I ask because I'm interested in buying one. Thank you

Can you please tell how did you remove/configure the PL's on MSI Pro660M-A motherboard ? to the CPU be the on the best possible performance, like it shows on the review test (255W) ? I've search around, but i don't find the answer. And, on my Pro660M-A im getting the "default" test results (65W). Weirdly, i was getting a lot worse result's on the MSI Pro660M-A (same CPU) than i had with the Gigabyte DS3H at default settings

A point to note that the graphs show Asus TUF B660M, there are 2 boards under same name where the suffix is different. One is TUF Gaming B660M-E (the one tested here) and the TUF Gaming B660M-Plus the superior one with PCIe 5.0, better VRM, etc. and a Wi-Fi version of the same. The M-E does not have a Wi-Fi version.

@AndrewTSq

2 жыл бұрын

yes true. But the M-E has the m2-connector for wifi on the board, so you could add it later if you want.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, It's the B660M-E under test throughout here. I do make reference to the fact there are at least 8 variants of a 'B660 TUF' around, that I've found, and people should be careful of the exact spec of the one they're looking at buying.

I enjoyed this. Felt smooth to watch, was able to absorb the information well. What brought me here is that I am looking for the right budget motherboard for i3-12100F that can maximize its potential and have the right features for enough decent future-proofing. Going to run it with a 3050.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Hope we were able to help! Honestly any of these boards work ok with an i3. You certainly don't want to overspend.

Thank you for the excellent video, please suggest me, which will be the best with GIGABYTE B660MDS3H AXDDR4 among Intel i5-12400f or i5-12500

very good work, sir

I currently have an ASUS H610M-A with an outdated BIOS, which still gives me undervolt usage on my 12600K BUT I bought a Gen4 SSD which doesn't run at full speed on my H610. When researching cards, I'm between this Asrock Z690 (155 usd), MSI Pro B660m A Wifi (132 usd) and ASUS H770 Plus D4 (155 usd). that many reports on the internet say that it comes factory set with voltage above normal and that the undervolt in it is kind of complicated. I'm wondering if I really leave my H610 just because of the SSD... And there's still the VRM issue... Even the Z690 PG4 using DrMOS I don't know to what extent it's a better VRM than the H770 Plus D4 or the MSI Pro B660m A.

Do you know what’s the difference between ASUS ROG STRIX B660 AND TUF gaming B660? I am choosing one of them, but the hardware seller told me TUF gaming have a better build quality?

I bought Gigabyte B660M DS3H for i3 12100. I got it with F3 bios, so I've updatet it immedieatly to the latest one - F6b. It still underperformed slightly in Cinebench so I went to BIOS. Playing with power limits did't improve anything, since i3 consumes only 58W ant there is no bottleneck here (even on this board). I've finally disabled CPU power savings options in BIOS and CPU performance is adequate for i3 12100 since then (Tweaker -> Adv CPU Settings -> CPU EIST, Race To Halt, Energy Efficient Turbo: all to disabled). I would say there are two legimite, cost efective approaches to intel gen 12 topic: i3 + Gigabyte B660M DS3H (with updated BIOS) and i5 + MSI PRO B660M-A. Thanks to Premium builds for proffessional advice.

@deswara9171

2 жыл бұрын

is gigabyte ds3h more great than asrock pro rs for i3?

@epicworld5238

Жыл бұрын

Im gonna use asus prime b660m a d4

@christian7496

Жыл бұрын

Isn't the the DS3H also ok with 12400f for gaming only? After all this cpu still consumes low power

@BuildPicker which exact ram did you use on your asrock pro rs (pls build number) You ran into any issues ? (G.skill ram configurator Said only 1.2 volt ram is working on this board and our g.skill aegis cl16 1.35volt is not working)

Thank you so much for what you're doing! This is really amazing. Finally I can decide which one I should buy. 👍👍 Please keep making great videos like this.. ❤❤

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful!

Thank you :)

Hi how about asrock b660m steel legend vs msi pro b660m a wifi? They have slightly price different here, which is better?

Can you help me to decide what mobo is good to this video for i5 12400 . Im planning low budget build . But can upgrade in the future . Thanks

This was so timely. I had that Gigabyte board on order! Cancelled now and going for the Asus B660M-A instead.

Hi there. is it true that the 12th generation is more energy consuming and they need a good motherboard and cooler? I watched a video on the yes city channel. There he talks about this problem. That's why you recommended me a better fee. It is so? thanks for the answer

Please review some H670 boards and explain who the target customer is for the H670 chipset.

Really great content - again! Thanks for the review! Good to see that some mid-range B660 boards can handle perfectly the 12700K. 4.7GHz allcore boost might be sufficient almost for everything. Keep up the excellent work and thanks for putting so much effort for proper (re)testings with different BIOS versions and power settings!

hmmm. what do u think if i use wayyy slower GPU, like 2060 or RX6600, would giga DS3H still trail by 10 fps?>

My Board: Gigabyte B660M DS3H So.1700 DDR4 ATX Retail, can I use it with i5 13600kf?

GIGABYTE B660M GAMING X DDR4 does have a good VRM for an 12600k? ( can you get the most of it ?)

great effort

Did you also record the temperature?

I have an AiO 11600K with B660 - what kind of PL1 and Pl2 would you suggest? Can I stick to 255 + 255 as advised on MSI Bios? However in my case I have Gigabyte B560I aorus pro Ax

@vlmxs

2 жыл бұрын

Adjusted package power limit to 255 (from Auto) and now in Cinebench R23 I am getting 11040 instead of 10457 Will try adjusting Platform power limit. Not sure what that is 🤷🏻‍♂️ but worth a try 😉👍🏻

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

They're kind of the same thing. The lowest one will kick in first. An i5-11600K and B560, so long as it's a decent B560, should be fine to leave at 255/255. It will not pull that much power, and if you have an AIO the heat won't be a concern. Basically, so long as MOtherbaord and cooler are up to task, you can leave power limits far in excess of what the CPU needs, and let the CPU handle itself. You only need to restrict power to protect the motherboard, or keep temepratures in check with a smaller cooler and long term work loads.

Another great video! Any thought on Gigabyte B660 Aorus Master DDR4 running I5 12600? Any plans on reviewing that board or have you? Would the MSI Mag B660 Tomahawk WiFi still be a better option?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Aorus Master looks great at the price, Fantastic rear IO, very strong (overkill?) VRMs and good all round spec. Just don't pay more than $200 for any B660 board IMO, it kills the value of the i5 non K's if you do that. I'd pick it over the MSI Tomahawk Wifi given the same price. I haven't reviewed it and likely won't - it's just to expensive to get hold of every variant sadly.

@steelersstorm

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker Thank You for the reply! I wish I could say I could get the board for under $200, but I can't. I'm currently in the Philippines and almost all electronics is going to have a $50 to $100 increase do to what they will claim as import tax fees. So both boards are around 20 dollars in price but the Gigabyte goes for around $250. The I5 12600 is $267, while the I5 12400 is $219. I trying to build a production PC for my daughter...but with these prices not sure what I will do. Just started watching your channel and have learned a lot and appreciate you making these videos!

Hello, I would like to ask which board is better, ASRock B660 PRO RS, Asus PRIME B660M-A D4 or GIGABYTE B660M GAMING X. Thank you for your answer.

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

I'd take the PRIME of those options.

Hey Asrock ploča B660M PRO RS support i7 10700k?

Hello Sir, could you do please again a video with 13th gen with B660 boards.

Well, I just rebuilt my PC using a Mag B660M Mortar Wifi mobo, and it is FUCKING INSANE! Yes! CPU 13th gen i5 13600K, GPU GIGABYTE 3090TI, 64GBs of DDR5 5600 Ram (over clock with XMP 3.0), 850w plus 80 gold PSU, CoolerMaster MasterAir MA624 Dual Tower Air Cooler, Toshiba X300 8TB Performance & Gaming 3.5, Samsung 870 EVO 2TB 2.5, SAMSUNG 980 PRO SSD 2TB PCIe NVMe Gen 4 that I cloned my windows 10 pro OS to, as it is my boot drive now. I even figured out how to over clock and got my 3090TI's bench at Userbenchmark to 319% - My Gaming is at 333%, my desktop at 122% and my work station is 388%, and this is with 98% cpu background during bench testing. I've never done any of this before, really (to this extent), but it's amazing what you can pull off with a little (careful) research and paying close attention. There's really no rocket science in building a PC, that's for sure. My CPU never been over 70 degrees c, and my GPU stays at around 67 c. After I got everything where it needed to be, I set a cap on my frame frate to go only as high as my fastest monitor, which is 144Hz. I mainly play on my LG 65 CX monitor that is at 120Hz. There isn't any game that I tried that does maintaina steady 120 fps. I mean, it doesn't drop below that at all. Only issue I had was that I got the mobo, and though it do support 13th gen Intel CPUs, it didn't right out of the box. I installed a 13th gen chip in its LGA1700 slot, then at the end of it all, it turned on, but didn't boot. I just put two and two together after about 10 minutes of trying to figure out what was wrong. Noticed the red blinking light on the mobo, and learned that it was a CPU issue - as it clearly said under the flashing red light - 'cpu'. I knew the mobo I bought was a 12th gen with a LGA 1700 socket, so I figured the mobo needed just needed a BIOS update, or something. So, I bought a 12th gen chip from Amazon, booted up my PC with it (as the 12th gen chip worked as I expected it would), updated the mobo, installed my 13th gen chip, sent the 12th gen chip back to Amazon for a refund - Now, all of the amazing things that I am about to do with this incredibly fast, insanely powerful PC. I have done even more research and see that the Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2 is actually considerably faster than the Samsung 870, so I have ordered one that will be here on Friday that I will clone my boot drive onto, so that my PC can be even faster, and yeah, I'll install it onto the CPU M.2 slot, and not the chipset one. Some people don't know the difference, but I research everything. All this being said - The Mag B660M Mortar Wifi motherboard is Super Solid.

Astonishing amount of reliable information. I recently purchased the Gigabyte B660 Gaming X DDR4 and wish to put 12400f in it. My question is would it limit this cpu potential in any way apart from not being able to perform the bclk oc?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

No, I think that seems like a great pairing! The Gaming X looks solid for an i5.

@koushikpramanikplusgoogle

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker hi, i want to buy MSI PRO B660M-G DDR4 for i5 12400f.will it run fine at full load or will there be any limitations? Are vrm and phase power delivery enough? Please help me, i am too much confused!! Plz reply!

Hey there, do you know what's the major difference between Asus Prime B660M-K and B660M-A? Also, would you recommend the K version if I have i5 12400?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

The M-K is cut back a fair amount: It only has 2 RAM Slots, 1 Full length PCIe slot. THe VRM is slightly different, looks similar to the A but I can't see if it's better or worse. It has less heatskingkin with some of the VRM components bare at the top of the board. It has no high speed USB on the rear, and no USB 3.2 Gen 2 x2 header internally. Since I know cheap/bad boards can limit the i5, I'm cautious of anything I haven't tested. The PRIME K is likely fine for gaming and light use, but I wouldn't use it for anything demanding even with an i5.

@nano6

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker thank you so much for your response, cheers! :D

how do you change the power limit on the ds3h board?

Very helpful. Can you tell me how to remove power limit of gigabyte b660m ds3h

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

We have that covered in a video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mYatw4-Clqqpo9I.html

great video

here's a easy way to sum up these boards Gigabyte B660M DS3H AX = best suited with i3 12100 Asrock B660M Pro RS = best suited with i3 12100 Asus Prime B660M-A Wifi = best suited with i5 12400 or i3 12100 Gigabyte B660 Gaming X AX = best suited with i5 12400 and can handle i5 12600 non K Asus Tuf Gaming B660M Plus Wifi = can handle i5 12400, 12500, and i7 12700 non K MSI Pro B660-A Wifi = i5 12400 is a breeze, and can even handle i5 12600K MSI Mag B660 Tomahawk Wifi = this board can flat out do it all except, i7 12700 K & i9 12900K is a little too much, but everything is good. by far the best price to performance board in my opinion is the MSI Pro B660M-A Wifi, VRM is very good for a board in this class, even better is the rear IO and the front panel connecters. and right now it's only $129 if you go with the non wifi version, but they also have one with wifi if you can find it. it's out of stock when i look at prices. the Tomahawk is good, but it's price makes it a hard buy when the VRM is about the same as the Pro. the only reason to buy the Tomahawk is for extra features and ports. im surprise the Gigabyte board didn't work out in that test, I've had Gigabyte in the past and had very little issues with them, but i haven't had a Gigabyte board in a long time.

Can you do similar with all budget B760 chipset?

The DS3H has two variants, an AX version and one without the AX. Any differences? (can't find online)

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Only the AX having Wifi/bluetooth, and it lacks internal serial and parallel headers than the non Wifi has. The non Wifi has a D-Sub display output on the rear that the Wifi doesn't have. Otherwise they are identical.

Any idea about how the b660m Mortar performs with the i7 12700 non k, are they a good pairing

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Should be ok, it has a strong enough VRM

Perfect. Just what I needed. Would you recommend paying extra for 12600 rather than 12400 for a system mainly used for gaming?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Just depends on pricing and needs. For very high fps, or a powerful GPU at lower resolution, it might be worth $30-40 or so. For most cases stick with the 12400, it's plenty powerful enough and much better value.

@AndrewTSq

2 жыл бұрын

check for sales of the i5. I got my i5 12600K on sale for $250, and ive seen it sold at that price a few times now. normal price is $310.

@tazboy1934

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuildPicker lower resolution u mean 1080p and not 1440p

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

@@tazboy1934 yes, 1080p.

Is the issue with asrock Pro RS still present or after the BIOS update it's solved? Please confirm if someone tested. Thank you 🙏

is the ASRock B660 PRO RS better than ASRock B660M PRO RS:?

currently this recommended b660 got the same price of entry level z690

would the asus TUF GAMING B660M-PLUS WIFI D4 be good with the i5 13600k ? on a quick note aswell i dont want to overclock anything

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

It will work after a bios update. However is say it's at the limit of what I'd run on that VRM config, and if you're not running a higher power limit you're not getting the full potential of the 13600K. Consider the new i5-13500 which is more power efficient but gets most of the benefit, especially if you're not overclocking.

No need to explain the DS3H. It's always been a model that I wouldn't trust with anything more than an i3 in the best of circumstances. It's a cheap board for reasons. Asrock is pretty much in the same situation with anything other than their Taichi lines. it's interesting to see the Prime board be in the same arena as the Tomahawk. Other than the AMD x470, ASUS Prime boards have felt like a hot mess recently. Thank you for putting the work into this and delivering one of the better b660s round ups I've yet seen since their release.

@augiedonkers5668

2 жыл бұрын

What you say is true for the b560 and i5-11400. This board has no isues whatever with an i3 or i5. So no vrm problems with overheating or powerreduction or throttling. That was my fear to, Gigabyte fixed this.

0 vrm data bro ? Nice video btw

I have JUST bought a Gigabyte B660M DS3H DDR4, not wifi edition and i am recieving a used I7 12700F CPU tomorrow. I need someone to straight up tell me whether to return my motherboard!

Doesn’t the i3 12100F peaks at about 80W? 🤔

Man i just bought below specs yesterday and just saw your videos now. Any recommendations you may give if i should stick with this combo or opt to replace my mobo? Which mobo would you recommend that would not rip my budget? CPU: i5-13600KF MOBO: B660M DS3H AX DDR4 (rev. 1.0) Wifi

@NoName-nn8lj

10 ай бұрын

Is it working ?

I have the gigabyte b660m ds3h ax(since this and the asrock pro rs and the waay overpriced strix boards were on stock at launch). (And i needed the 10gig usb c) I popped a 2nd vrm heatsink on it and it is waay powerful than it was. I5 12500 runs at stable 120W full time while running prime95.

@kenji1366

2 жыл бұрын

and how do you put that extra heatsink? may elaborate a bit sir

@kikihun9726

2 жыл бұрын

Ziptie😀 I have a case which has multiple screw holes around the motherboard. One loop around the cpu cooler bracket, and it ends in the screw hole. Pushing the heatsink down.

@kenji1366

2 жыл бұрын

@@kikihun9726 Holy.. hahah. No Problem if it does works. Alright thanks for the info

So as a heads up from an actual end user perspective i ended up having to return both this guy's top 2 B660 picks here, and which like many of you I assume had hoped to pair in a budget build with either a new gen I3 or i5. Due to the fact that I ran into the same issues many other actual endusers are in that pretty much all of these B660 are having serious real world stability and performance issues with the XMP feature. Which they keep trying, and failing, to push out bios updates that offers a clean fix.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

Which two boards were they? And what RAM were you running? Whilst I've seen DDR5 Performance issues on Alder lake, DDR4 I really haven't seen anyone having issues with XMP profiles within the 'sensible' range.

@michaelj2267

2 жыл бұрын

MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4 and ASUS PRIME B660M-A. Started of with Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3600, but had to scratch that as beyond the false box specs claims it apparently turned out that the b660 motherboards can't run any ram 3600mhz or higher in gear 1 due to intel locking the voltage (to MSI somewhat credit they at least state as such if you dig up their beta bios notes on the forum. Only the more expensive Mortar and Tomahawk boards are labeled as improving non-K CPU DDR4 ram compatibility). Anything above 3200mhz in xmp mode just crashes the pc. As of right now all the beta build "fixes" for this do is just forces that incompatibility into gear 2, and which just achieves that additional stability at the cost of performance (fwiw MSI also makes official note: Intel had confirmed VCCSA lock on non-K CPU is according to the Intel specification. Until further notice from Intel, BIOS update cannot unlock the limitation). Wasn't looking to downgrade my ram back to my old Corsair Vengeance 3200 with the swap to a B660 in this machine, but prior to the returns using that + XMP off was basically my mandatory troubleshoot workaround if i wanted to avoid any BSoD in my multi hour MMO gaming sessions. Was easy enough from there to search around and find similar feedback from outside the benchmark review only crowd starting to weigh in on their own actual everyday gaming experiences.

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelj2267 OK, that's really interesting. As I said, not something I experienced on either of these boards and I ran pretty extensive testing at 3600Mhz Cl16 G1. I'll dig into it more before the indiivdual reviews of these boards and included memory stabliity testing, as well as seeing where I can get to with the B-die kit I have.

@PP-zn5cs

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelj2267 From another review in youtube, Kingston 3600 cl17 RAM was tested with MSI PRO B660M-A DDR4, the system can only run with 3600 in gear 2 or 3466 with tight timing for gear 1 even though he using 12700"k"...

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I'm actually using 12700 with an ASUS PRIME B660M non Wifi

Im using msi b660m- a ddr4 wifi version with i3 12100f and stock cooler .. can i pick the highest power limit option ? Would it has any bad effect ?

@BuildPicker

Жыл бұрын

It wont' do anything - The CPu will only draw about 50W tops, under the 65W minimum power limit. Just leave power settings alone with ani3, there's no benefit to changing them.

I own the gigabyte ds3h with i3-12100f. Is the bios update needed for my processor?

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

I would, because it's clearly got some pretty major microcode adjustments in it! The board has 'Q-Flash' so it's impossible to break it by flashing the bios even if it corrupts. you can re-flash it from a USB stick. That said, if you can run a few benchmarks and verify that the CPU is performing normally, and the BIOS flash process worries you, you can leave it alone .

I have a question, Sir. The RAM you used in this test was running with gear 1 or gear 2 mode? Some youtuber said MSI PRO B660M-A will get bluescreen with 3600 gear 1 mode.... It really matters to me, I don't want to run my computer with gear 2 mode :(

@BuildPicker

2 жыл бұрын

It was all 3600MHz, cl16, gear 1 @ xmp. I am aware of people having issues on B660 at 3600MHz, but it's not something I've experienced. I'm doing more testing this week to see if I can replicate the issues. It may be down to specific CPUs or memory kits... Very hard to know.

@Jeremie18

2 жыл бұрын

Find this: "Intel's Non-K Alder Lake CPUs also don't feature fully-unlocked memory overclocking due to a locked VCCSA (CPU SA Voltage). This means that most users won't be able to run DDR4-3600 at Gear 1 mode."